h1-high-heat-strategies

[gaunt fiber]

Should be good practice

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber do it with GY pls

[gaunt fiber]

Why

[rain sedge]

For the comedic value

[gaunt fiber]

I did it at 40

[rain sedge]

Wait what

Did I miss this

[gaunt fiber]

Pretty sure you were here?

[rain sedge]

No?

[gaunt fiber]

Wait

[shy plinth]

The 16 config I usually recommend is CF1 EM3 BP1 MM UC TD2

Going to depend on your clear times and comfort level, lot of options at 16

[sly remnant]

I don't recommend CF1

I'd swap in JS1/HL1/LC1

[shy plinth]

Could easily be HL1 or DC1, though I like getting used to the CF1 breakpoints

JS1 is fine too yeah

[gaunt fiber]

It was yesterday, thought you reacted to it

[sly remnant]

i don't think CF is needed until like....40

except maybe on something like hestia

[shy plinth]

Depends how much you get hit lol

[sly remnant]

i mean

if things are dead

[true fable]

if ur a fast boi you can just run TD3

it's 20 minutes total for a run

[sly remnant]

they can't hit you

[solemn pulsar]

yeah if your 0 heat clear time is consistent around 15 minutes than an easy 16 heat would be EM3 TD3 UC1 MM

The only real change is the bosses and selling 1 boon per biome

[gaunt fiber]

I know

I'll do the challenge runs

to play some aspects

the first challenge is Dusa keepsake...

[true fable]

dusa keepsake with LC4

[gaunt fiber]

I'm doing the second

RI4 Zag sword

[sly remnant]

so jank first run

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

lmao it's distant memory for the whole run

[honest kernel]

Oh boi, can't wait to get that bonus 20% damage on my cast!

[gaunt fiber]

wow

actually it works

nice

[solemn pulsar]

challenge runs?

[gaunt fiber]

I'll F10, centaur's hearts give me +25 health

https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC10

pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[honest kernel]

That HWC10 challenge

My 57 heat clear is technically a + variant of it ?

[solemn pulsar]

hasn't been updated in a while

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[honest kernel]

Oh

Hades spear

[gaunt fiber]

But I want to try things

[solemn pulsar]

fair enough

[gaunt fiber]

2 dashes out of tartarus

I'm a good player

[daring hedge]

oh i remember that one

plenty of people missed the "use hades spear" part and submitted a run that didn't count lol

[true fable]

oh

ooof

[gaunt fiber]

haha

they thought distant memory would be useless

too bad, I got piercing wave

[rain sedge]

why is this challenge hard, exactly?

[gaunt fiber]

no mirror no keepsake

that's all

[rain sedge]

it's RI1

[gaunt fiber]

Oh we're not talking about the same

Hades spear is the last one

[daring hedge]

the weekly challenges were meant to be accessible to more casual players too

[rain sedge]

oh i see

as I am a casual player, I'm glad there are challenges accessible to me

[daring hedge]

lol i hadn't even noticed your title

[rain sedge]

thanks for noticing me king

I'm your humble pleb

[gaunt fiber]

I'd find a title but like it vanilla too

[rain sedge]

Astaos | Bullied by Channel

Astaos | Nyaanyaa Simp

Astaos | Still resetting run to get charged skewer

[gaunt fiber]

oof

I'm not resetting!

[rain sedge]

no shame in resetting, I reset if I don't get chain lightning by chamber 8 on my 50 eris

change it to the simp one

it'll be funny cmon

I dare you

[gaunt fiber]

sure but I just don't lol

[rain sedge]

d o i t

[gaunt fiber]

Bullied by channel, nah

the second one is just degrading lol

[rain sedge]

@daring hedge you should put a crown next to your name

how dare you, simping is a proud profession

[true fable]

oh right forgot to change mine back

[rain sedge]

why are you a coward?

[honest kernel]

Probably a reference to something in the Speedrunning Discord

Wriste is to blame, basically

[true fable]

yeah wriste called shield players cowards

[rain sedge]

did you @ him with your 57 heat shield clear baj

[sly remnant]

lol wriste watched the 57 heat clear and i believe asked baj to come on stream and help him learn it

[honest kernel]

He DM'ed me so that eventually we could do an analysis

[true fable]

still waiting

[honest kernel]

So whevener he decides to actually do it, I'll likely join him, if I am not busy with something else

Yeah, he hasn't come back with it yet

[sly remnant]

i know he's got hermes cup stuff this week

then they go on break for a month

[honest kernel]

Probably during the break, then, if he remembers it lol

[true fable]

i want to get coached for anyheat beowulf tbh

very hungry for sub 7

[proud jay]

ask wriste

he plays beowulf and does coaching

[true fable]

will do

[honest kernel]

free coaching too

So there's that

[proud jay]

imagine asking money for hades coaching LOL

[true fable]

i imagine it'd be somewhat lucrative

[proud jay]

well i've had one offer but i said no

[gaunt fiber]

I double up that offer

[true fable]

just not something you're interested in?

[proud jay]

i said i can give tips and stuff but wouldn't take money

[sly remnant]

good guy bablo

[proud jay]

well i know the person so it'd be weird

[true fable]

i try not to take jobs from people i know closely

[sly remnant]

i can also understand your friend/acquaintance not wanting to take advantag

like my gf is an artist

if i commission her i pay her

[gaunt fiber]

aaaah

[true fable]

yeah it's just a strange boundary to walk

[gaunt fiber]

I lost

[true fable]

so the usual then

[gaunt fiber]

I got 5sacked

[rain sedge]

hit us bablo, what's the rate

I'm considering quitting my job for hades coaching

[sly remnant]

schad coaching

shoot eris special

stand in circle

hold left mouse button

[gaunt fiber]

hey

[rain sedge]

that'd be $20 thanks, venmo me

[gaunt fiber]

GY coaching would be even worse

"get charged skewer"

[proud jay]

turns out it's possible to win GY runs even without charged skewer

even if you're bablo

[gaunt fiber]

yeah with serrated point

[proud jay]

no im talking like winged serpent extending jab tier stuff

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

what heat was that?

[proud jay]

40

[rain sedge]

whats your streak now babz

[gaunt fiber]

damn

[proud jay]

10 atm

[gaunt fiber]

that's nice

[rain sedge]

dont die in butterfly chamber pls

[proud jay]

with GY and arthur left in the pool XD

[gaunt fiber]

how did you deal damage?

[rain sedge]

I still get PTSD

[proud jay]

with like drunken strike

idk runs are weird sometimes

[sly remnant]

i think you are at 11 bablo

[proud jay]

oh right 11 yeah

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

sometimes you deal damage without knowing why

[honest kernel]

I wonder how legit Drunken Strike is on spear

[gaunt fiber]

serrated point combo

OP

[proud jay]

i've realized i can't afford to skip boons

no matter what gods they are

[sly remnant]

thanks UC + CF

[gaunt fiber]

Can I watch it somewhere?

[daring hedge]

it's pretty solid, at least on hades spear

since punishing sweep makes up for the damage you'd otherwise miss out on outside of tick damage

[true fable]

didnt you have some pre 1.0 run with it

[daring hedge]

yeah, a 50 run with serrated point

no athena

[true fable]

also the punishing sweep doesnt buff poison does it

[honest kernel]

It doesn't

[daring hedge]

nope

[honest kernel]

It only boosts attack and special damage

Doesn't even affect the spins

[true fable]

in a perfect world spin is the special

[proud jay]

actually looks like i had charged skewer in the drunken strike run

[true fable]

and you could run heart rend without crush shot/passion dash

what was on special? deadly?

[proud jay]

deadly yeah

[true fable]

was slightly fearful it was GY low tolerance build

[gaunt fiber]

One of my next goals will be high heat GY without serrated or charged skewer

I need to learn

[proud jay]

i start most runs with athena so builds get kinda wild

[gaunt fiber]

or ME because ME can replace hammers

[true fable]

one of my next goals will be high heat GY without serrated or charged skewer

[sly remnant]

one of my next goals will be weapon thats not beo

[proud jay]

since it's possible to miss the core boon you're looking for i have to opt for a god from which im willing to take multiple different core boons in chamber 1

[true fable]

that makes sense

[proud jay]

usually it's athena or zeus

[true fable]

most GY runs or most runs in general?

oh

[proud jay]

all runs at 40

when going for a winstreak

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber change name 😦

[gaunt fiber]

No decent idea yet

[rain sedge]

I gave you some great ideas

[gaunt fiber]

[dire steppe]

what are generally considered the worst aspects for each weapon

i want to do 32x6 with that

zag spear for sure

[shy plinth]

Is it not zag x6

[daring hedge]

zag spear is one of the worst aspects just in an overall sense, i'd say

[dire steppe]

zag is fine on bow and fists

[shy plinth]

It's fine but what's worse

[dire steppe]

hera

[shy plinth]

Hrm it might actually be on bow

And maybe talos?

[wanton plover]

zag bow is good

[gaunt fiber]

argh

https://imgur.com/lpgep3D

I died with that op combo

[dire steppe]

is zag really the worst sword tho

at 32 maybe

[wanton plover]

yes zag sword definitely most sad of the swords

[dire steppe]

also lucifer vs zag rail is debatable

lucifer without triple bomb

[true fable]

lucifer is quite good i think its just weird and unintuitive

[graceful vortex]

what are easy to clear heats as you make your way up the heat gauge?

[rain sedge]

what

[shy plinth]

I honestly have no idea which is better between zag and talos fists

[rain sedge]

it's zag sword, zag spear, zeus shield maybe? all the shields are decent, gilgamesh, lucifer, zag bow

all the bows are kinda decent ish

[shy plinth]

I admit I was not expecting gilgamesh

[rain sedge]

I mean according to bablo it's one of 3 hardest weaposn

[shy plinth]

Interesting

The lowest submitted clear is talos fists at a 45 which bablo knocked out yesterday or day before I think

[rain sedge]

at least at 40 heat that he was streaking

[rain sedge]

lightning rod triggers splitting bolt yeah?

[sly remnant]

i see no reasn it shouldn't

[rain sedge]

it's fine I somehow just died at 17 heat

[proud jay]

32 difficulty might be different than 40 difficulty

but inconsistent is still inconsistent

like i don't know if you can even die with arthur at 32 heat if you roll with HL0 and stand in your special

[sly remnant]

i die more than i care to admit at low heat not taking things seriously

[true fable]

@honest kernel it looks like youve inspired an uptick of zeus enjoyers in the discord

[mossy zinc]

I don't.

[radiant plover]

i like zeus shield especially with ares cast its alot of dps you can destroy bosses

[honest kernel]

Good

[upper topaz]

haven't ran any aspect aside from zeus shield for the past 4 days

it just feels so much more fun than everything else

[sly remnant]

whats your best time again? 🙂

[mossy zinc]

Let me check.

21:06.21 at 52 Heat with Beowulf.

[sly remnant]

unseeded?

[mossy zinc]

I did the seed first try, so where's the difference.

[sly remnant]

good job!

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

Charged Flight is a good aspect.

[proud jay]

apparently it's still ok

even dashing flight kinda gets some stuff done

[upper topaz]

new to high heat, what's the general heat threshold where stubborn defiance becomes preferable to dd?

[true fable]

i heard you won a round in a past hermes cup with charged flight?

[true fable]

just whenever you start running LC4

[upper topaz]

great, ty

[proud jay]

beo was only in HC1 and i wasn't in it

[true fable]

oh hmm

i wonder who it was then

[proud jay]

i used dashing flight in my winstreak tho

[gaunt fiber]

why is mirrorless no keepsake zag sword hard

[proud jay]

how do you not take a keepsake?

[unreal pasture]

Fresh file?

[gaunt fiber]

I'm trying the challenges

[unreal pasture]

And never pick up a keepsake

[gaunt fiber]

I died at 8 heat vs Hades lol

[proud jay]

sword is hard

especially with 1 dash

but for real how do you unequip a keepsake

[gaunt fiber]

https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/PWC02

it's distant memory

[proud jay]

xd

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's funny

[cedar thistle]

i've been trying to do 1 dash hades boonless with sword (using mods to skip to hades). I can't get pass phase 1. is hard.

[gaunt fiber]

distant memory zag sword

[unreal pasture]

Game is pretty gross mirrorless and fresh file... 🤷‍♂️

[gaunt fiber]

Not fresh file tho

I get the rerolls

[unreal pasture]

Ah, alright... yeah, that's kind of nice to have

[true fable]

i like fresh file

[cedar thistle]

FO2 hades keeps stabbing me. When im in melee range and he turns around.

[unreal pasture]

And the effects of darkness and nectars?

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[cedar thistle]

If i Dodge early, I don't get hit by stab, but hit by spin

[gaunt fiber]

but no god keepsake is like

[cedar thistle]

if i dodge late, i don't get hit by spin, but hit by stab

[unreal pasture]

The sword is ... really just a terrible and disappointing weapon all around

[cedar thistle]

like... it's so hard to react

[unreal pasture]

The other aspects make it bearable but

[cedar thistle]

with 2 dash, i always dodge early, if he spins i dodge again

[true fable]

EM4?

[cedar thistle]

which is what i've been doing all these while.

nah. just normal hades

[true fable]

hmm

what stab does he have?

iirc he only stabs after the double skull

[cedar thistle]

nah

[unreal pasture]

He sometimes uses it out of invisibility... so a natural reaction is to dodge immediately out of his invis

[cedar thistle]

out of invis/when he is far away. it's easy

[unreal pasture]

And that might get you punished by the spin? Dunno... it's been a long while since I've played on Ruthless Reflexes on anything but Gigla

[cedar thistle]

the problem is when you're already in melee range

[unreal pasture]

Yeah... generally understandable... you use dodges to get behind him to force his turn radius (giving you time to react to his next move)

But with 1 dash that can lead to punishes

tbh, it can lead to punishes even with 2 dashes

[true fable]

play horizontally

[mossy zinc]

DOT could actually get a damage buff from Distant Memory. Cast, too.

[unreal pasture]

What does that change?

[true fable]

longer reaction window

[unreal pasture]

I don't really ... notice his AI based on positioning

[gaunt fiber]

dw I'm fishing for piercing wave

it works

I swing the sword from a distance

[unreal pasture]

Weird, I've never noticed anything where if you dodge left-right, rather than up-down his animations are slower?

[true fable]

how distant is distant

[mossy zinc]

If you run perpendicular to him, the thrust can never hit you.

[gaunt fiber]

quite distant ngl

[true fable]

it's not about him being slower

[unreal pasture]

Or is it just a placebo / visibility thing, you can see Hades animations easier?

[true fable]

it's that you have more time to react to moves being thrown out

yeah visibility thing

[unreal pasture]

Mmm, fair enough

Zagreus model isn't blocking your view of hades

[cedar thistle]

hmm i do notice he misses me sometimes. maybe i should rely on that instead of the dodge.

[mossy zinc]

You should.

[cedar thistle]

cool

[gaunt fiber]

Accept the truth and take the thrust

[unreal pasture]

I literally never get off Dad on every run I literally just hug him...

So I pretty much only abuse his turn radius and predict his moves... but it doesn't really work too well in HL

[mossy zinc]

But if you have two dashes tbh you can just dash once on reaction, and if you see it was a spin, time your second dash.

[cedar thistle]

yep. this is what i've always been doing. And also the reason why im dying* with 1 dodge.

[unreal pasture]

Mirrorless zag sword is torture though

You're a braver soul than I

zag sword full mirror is honestly torture as well

[gaunt fiber]

Of course I'm brave

[mossy zinc]

Hades boss fight is a horizontal map anyway. If you're worried about being hit from off-screen, stay in the upper half of the stage.

[proud jay]

https://imgur.com/a/vZ15p2j
is this what you do with arthur at 40 heat?

[mossy zinc]

You can see the entire vertical space of the stage from there, but if you move lower than that, the uppermost part will be cut off.

[gaunt fiber]

I cleared it with DC2 TD3

[proud jay]

you can easily get screwed by sack rng

i don't think you can pull off TD3 JS3 consistently

[gaunt fiber]

I'm kidding

[mossy zinc]

I wish I knew tbh, but I remember RI4 32 with Excalibur being super easy, so maybe consider some points in RI?

[proud jay]

RI1 just kinda sucks

[sly remnant]

thats the probably the pact i would take bablo

[mossy zinc]

RI2 still lets you play with 100 HP + Holy Aura on Excalibur.

[true fable]

JS3 over any level of CP?

[proud jay]

JS3 isn't a problem with TD2

i can still take troves and skip mid-shops

[mossy zinc]

It's just something I've been meaning to try at least.

[gaunt fiber]

if AP2 ends up being bad you go shackle?

[proud jay]

yeah it's an option

but AP2 with re-rolls is kind of manageable

except for hammers, which i could just try to avoid

but even cursed slash shouldn't end the run if i pick it late enough. should have enough max hp by that point

[mossy zinc]

Wouldn't RI be a safer bet than AP?

[proud jay]

dark foresight does a lot

but idk

[gaunt fiber]

RI seems safe

[proud jay]

with RI0 you get more stuff

with AP0 you get specific stuff

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I guess Dark Foresight will net you a whole lot of HP at least.

And if you start with the Owl Pendant, a bunch of Lady Athena boons that are all really really good.

[gaunt fiber]

boonless 500hp shackle

[proud jay]

yeah the plan is to start with athena

[gaunt fiber]

original

[proud jay]

the ultimate plan is to start every aspect with athena

[gaunt fiber]

ultimate crutch confirmed

[mossy zinc]

I think what's not really talked about is how comfortable you become with decision making when you start your runs with the same god keepsake every time no matter the aspect.

[gaunt fiber]

the thing is

Bablo has a brain

[proud jay]

if you always start with a defensive boon you'll need to deal damage with a bunch of crappy stuff

so the runs are far from comfortable

somehow i got roped into ares' aid + vengeful mood build with zag fists

[sly remnant]

(we might have egged him on in chat)

[mossy zinc]

I mean, it's the Lord Ares build you always wanted on Malphon.

[gaunt fiber]

(he refused to roll for legendary)

[mossy zinc]

I can't think of any other Lord Ares Duo Boon you could possibly want on Malphon.

[gaunt fiber]

well

Freezing vortex

But that's it

[sly remnant]

lmao

this chat

nyaanyaa always manages such deadpan deliveries

[mossy zinc]

Thank you. 💗

[rain sedge]

Astaos playing other aspects what

[solemn pulsar]

I completed a diogenes run with zag bow

[rain sedge]

Sword too

[gaunt fiber]

challenges

to press buttons in a different order

should be stimulating right

You came back with other names for me?

[rain sedge]

I heard if you can press buttons at the right order you can clear 63 heat

I feel like my suggestions were top tier idk

[gaunt fiber]

bullied by channel was not new

[mossy zinc]

I saw them by the way.

[gaunt fiber]

bye Schad

[rain sedge]

Astaos | WeirdChamp Emoter?

[gaunt fiber]

was an honor

[rain sedge]

Not new but accurate

[rain sedge]

Hi nya

[mossy zinc]

[rain sedge]

XD

You know I really thought I'd leave this game after ac Valhalla came out

And I thought the same about cyberpunk

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but I managed to keep you here

[rain sedge]

And here I still am

[mossy zinc]

Still pretending to be a casual.

[gaunt fiber]

He is

at giving names at least

[rain sedge]

Nya come give astaos a name

[gaunt fiber]

why

can't I get

[rain sedge]

I died at 17 heat last run, I AM a casual

[gaunt fiber]

a damn uppercase

[rain sedge]

AStAOS

AstAoS | Guan Yu Masochist

[proud jay]

https://imgur.com/a/AfeQp5K
this happened in my test run

[mossy zinc]

I already have one for him, though. #h1-high-heat-strategies message

Merciful End Excalibur?

[rain sedge]

Giga oof

[proud jay]

with divine dash, and a dd

[mossy zinc]

Very nice.

[rain sedge]

Isn't Excalibur the worst ME weapon!

[gaunt fiber]

!

[rain sedge]

Stop I'm on my phone

Type is hard

[mossy zinc]

@proud jay I guess AP2 doesn't matter if you bribe the Fates.

[gaunt fiber]

So the name would be trash?

[rain sedge]

AsTaoS | Trash God

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber shut up.

[gaunt fiber]

ah

[rain sedge]

Nya is out for blood today

Bad day at school?

[mossy zinc]

It's 3:28 a.m.

What school?

[rain sedge]

I thought you said you are still going to school

[mossy zinc]

At 3:28 a.m.?

[rain sedge]

It's 2.29am for me too yikes

Maybe it's bed time for us euros

[gaunt fiber]

just free violence

[rain sedge]

Alright, night y'all

Astaos when I wake up I hope I see one of my suggested names on your id

[gaunt fiber]

You can hope

I'll allow that

[mossy zinc]

I think hope needs to be grounded in reality to not be counterproductive.

[gaunt fiber]

no way lol

[true fable]

which no poseidon sword should i take for 40 first

[gaunt fiber]

Zag

[true fable]

sounds good

[gaunt fiber]

It's always nice to help

[true fable]

ive been tricked

this weapon isnt good at all!

scammed

[proud jay]

im here rolling with drunken strike arthur at 40 heat

and it's ok

if AP2 is actually worth picking at 40 heat im gonna uninstall

[remote zealot]

favorite weapons?

[sly remnant]

lmfao bablo

[true fable]

"it's ok"

what

[proud jay]

as in you can beat the game with it

[remote zealot]

as in most fun

[sly remnant]

beo

[gaunt fiber]

I'm trying heartbreak strike drunken flourish on zag sword

that's kinda bad ngl

[north dove]

oh boy I actually recorded a streak of all 6 zag aspects at 45 heat

[sly remnant]

Pog

[gaunt fiber]

wow

[sly remnant]

i'll watch it tomorrow

[north dove]

3h40 min vid

[sly remnant]

hit me with that link retrash

[gaunt fiber]

good job

[proud jay]

which one is hardest and why is it sword and spear

[north dove]

it'll take ages to upload

spear and shield were hardest imo

because I'm bad with shield

[sly remnant]

you have the beowulf heat record retrash

[north dove]

and I got a janky crystal beam build for spear

[proud jay]

o boyo

[honest kernel]

I've done 45 boonless Zag Shield

It's kinda slow ?

If you aren't used to it you'll die

[proud jay]

shield has some quality hammers but i guess you can get complete misses

[honest kernel]

^

Nothing that's bad

But many that won't do anything

Won't kill your run, but it'll make it harder

[gaunt fiber]

Is playing Zag aspects a good way to improve in general?

[honest kernel]

I'd say so

[sly remnant]

for sure. there's a reason they have all the basic toolkit

[daring hedge]

it's not like all zag aspects are inherently bad

[honest kernel]

Damage's low, so it'll make sure you know the game's in and out

[gaunt fiber]

that's not what I mean

[sly remnant]

the zag aspects are supposed to teach you the game

[gaunt fiber]

well they did not lmao

"oh, 50% less hp, neat!"

[honest kernel]

Zag aspects won't teach you the ins and outs of the 4th aspects lol

They were meant to be different, playstyle wise

[gaunt fiber]

sure thing

[true fable]

aight what's the next one

@north dove your zag sword clear on TD2 is faster than mine on TD3 lmao

[north dove]

I honestly don't know how I went that fast, I skipped shops and I even went in an Erebus gate on Elysium

guess hangover dash is now the speed strat

[unreal pasture]

https://imgur.com/RmWySXR when you out there trying to be wobbles with the DD in high heat, but you actually suck... even got +4 DDs from shop/patroclus

[sly remnant]

got to dad tho

what phase?

[unreal pasture]

Yea... had no DDs when I got there so I was like... "No hope"

My Asterius/Theseus on EM3+ just isn't clean enough

[true fable]

i suppose if im gonna try to streak 40 i should get zagspects out of the way huh

[gaunt fiber]

go shield

[proud jay]

legit strategy for shield is to start with zeus special

[true fable]

zag shield?

i've been doing arty start but you might be right

EM3 doesn't change health totals does it?

[gaunt fiber]

according to the wiki it does

[true fable]

really? i did not see that on the wiki

14K to what?

[gaunt fiber]

I see 9k to 12k lol

[true fable]

oh for theseus

gotcha

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

oh for Asterius it should be 14k

and that's it

[true fable]

dang the info for Hades is actually really outdated on the wiki

for the dad fight i mean

[north dove]

zeus on zag shield special is great yeah, it's what I got on my streak

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I mean

[true fable]

what's the idea, go all in on DC?

do special hammers matter?

[gaunt fiber]

why is the wiki like that lol

[true fable]

i'm not really that used to specialing on zag shield tbh

or it feels awkward working in my special

[gaunt fiber]

just bash em

[north dove]

it's pretty good, especially with hermes special speed

it comes back to you almost instantly

[true fable]

what are you looking for, empowering/dashing flight?

[north dove]

no, just attack hammers

[true fable]

interesting

[north dove]

special can carry by itself

[honest kernel]

...

[true fable]

will give it a shot

[honest kernel]

I'm going to need to see your runs

[true fable]

baj i believe in the thunder flourish start for achilles btw

your brain is quite a good deal larger than avg

[honest kernel]

It's actually working out for you ?

what

[true fable]

oh yeah it's nice

granted i had other zeus stuff going on

i got thunder flourish and attack both in tartarus

got flourish first though

feels like it helps more in tartarus than in later regions though

clears tartarus super quick

[honest kernel]

That's the feeling I had with it too

But that's where say Artemis attack kicks in

[formal gust]

wait special with zag shield

what is this madness

[true fable]

that was my thought too

but i'll have to try it

[formal gust]

I wll too ig

[true fable]

seems like scuffed chaos with a better attack

[formal gust]

wow bright dissing his own weapon

[true fable]

i legit cant tell if you're talking about chaos or zeus

or zag rather

ive probably played chaos slightly more than zag and then both more than zeus shield

[honest kernel]

Actually, you know what I need to test out

Dio start Achilles Spear

[true fable]

what core?

[honest kernel]

Any

[true fable]

mysterious

[formal gust]

Baj in Da Lab

[honest kernel]

Maybe not the dash lol

[true fable]

i dont think you can take DC then

dio cast isn't going to do much for that right

[honest kernel]

But Special and attack'll do fine

[true fable]

fair

[honest kernel]

... and it actually makes Peer Pressure good for DC

[true fable]

idk about special actually

[formal gust]

man dio core boon on achilles

[true fable]

how are you going to stack 5

[formal gust]

my low to mid heat brain can't comprehend

[honest kernel]

Who said you needed to stack it to 5

[true fable]

i guess you dont really need to

lol

[honest kernel]

Dio special number's big

[true fable]

in da lab indeed

[honest kernel]

I'll mess around with it

[sly remnant]

achilles with trippy shot seems good too

[true fable]

where's ur strim sir

[sly remnant]

blackout strats

[true fable]

i had trippy shot for my achilles 45 clear

didnt use it at all LOL

[honest kernel]

As I open up the wrong game

[formal gust]

I will stream when second monitor most likely

[true fable]

just press down on the flurry jab button

i am strimming rn but just to record for submissions

[formal gust]

[true fable]

also need a second monitor yeah

just been using my laptop to read chat then inevitably end up watching other hades strimmers

i guess i should save my luci & zag sword 40s?

does anyone know how highlights work? do they delete after a few days?

[formal gust]

damn you flexing on me

what do you go on hestia 40+ just any high damage mult?

[sly remnant]

basically

i like arti but nyaanyaa plays the weapon more than me and goes aphro

idk what crepes does

[formal gust]

of course Nyaanyaa uses aphro

do you start with arrowhead

[sly remnant]

ye

all you care about is attack

[formal gust]

hmm

[honest kernel]

Crepes does Shackle

Idk his normal strats

[formal gust]

shackle whole run?

[honest kernel]

That's his 56 heat clear

I think

That or he goes Arty attack

[formal gust]

I remember when shackle was useless

they grow up so fast

[sly remnant]

because we were all stupid

[formal gust]

no I mean

when it gave trap damage

[sly remnant]

ohhhhhhh

[formal gust]

and not just trap damage

a very specific trap

[gaunt fiber]

Crepes goes aphro

eh

Arty sorry

told me once he was afraid to lack dmg with aphro

for EM4 iirc

[honest kernel]

Gonna stream some Achilles 45 heat stuff

[true fable]

pog

[honest kernel]

Testing out Dio special lmao

[true fable]

just get flurry jab lol

no test needed

[honest kernel]

Posted my stream in #self-promotion

[true fable]

real talk achilles feels real nice now but uh

still doesnt feel like it competes with some others w/o flurry

[north dove]

posted the victory screens for the rest of the zag aspects

[true fable]

wow it literally is "just get flurry jab lol"

[true fable]

also are you going to upload your zag shield one for the spreadsheet? interested in that one

[north dove]

Hmm, I mean I don't see why not. It's just going to be one long video.

[true fable]

ohhh right

going up on YT i presume?

[north dove]

yup

21% uploaded

[sly remnant]

i always learn more about boons i underrated watching retrash

like blade dash

[true fable]

tempest flourish on beo for me

i always get it because anyheat LUL but i guess it's actually pretty dece

side note we need to get that korean player in here

[north dove]

meme beam actually carried pretty hard in 2 of the runs

[true fable]

they're bonkers

[sly remnant]

interesting

meme beam

what did you like about it? the safety?

[north dove]

it's just good

period.

[true fable]

safe + destroys DC hearts

chill is also so good

[north dove]

and it melts pots

which is huge on melee

[true fable]

i didnt even think of that

does it autotarget them with clarity?

[north dove]

nah

[true fable]

ah sad

one can only ask so much

any rhyme/reason to the order retrash?

[north dove]

I just wanted to do zag sword last so I figured I might as well do it in reverse order

[true fable]

oh nice

did not realize the reverse order

yeah from what i can tell the korean player has 7 aspects at 50 heat

[north dove]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC1Y3C47Zd08w843O4mvcFEg/featured is it this guy?

He commented on my 54 heat zag sword

[true fable]

yeah i think so

yeah hades 3234

[north dove]

should add his runs to the spreadsheet, I'm assuming they're unseeded

[daring hedge]

lol he's done 51 hestia boonless

i wonder if he's lurked here ever

[true fable]

some of them are seeded retrash

[cedar thistle]

Thats a 1 up. Lol

[true fable]

i think he's probably seen a bunch of the boonless runs on SRcom

since that's the only platform he submits to

[daring hedge]

oh nvm not true boonless in the way we quantify it, like

[true fable]

some of his are seeded because he forgot to show death beforehand

[daring hedge]

he gets thunder dash and keeps dashing, using it etc

[true fable]

unfortunately zag getting out of the pool of blood doesnt count for unseeded

so i think he had to submit a bunch of unseeded runs as seeded

his descriptions for them sound very irritated lol

[daring hedge]

wow his parameters for boonless are miles more lenient than ours

[true fable]

really

[daring hedge]

no limits at all except for purging after bosses

[true fable]

oh weird

haha

[daring hedge]

which, like, i don't really agree with because by virtue of taking a bunch of boons and using them across several biomes

it's definitely not very boonless

[north dove]

category: sorta kinda boonless

[daring hedge]

boonless when it's convenient %

[true fable]

what do you do in boonless if it fills all your slots? just reset

?

[daring hedge]

yes but it's super rare that you'll get a biome where all your slots fill like that

and typically you'll get at least one or two keys to help with rerolls to get you out of that

and with AP1 it's not the worst, which I took for boonless 51

this other player ran AP2

[true fable]

i just realized all my highlights are very terrible quality

F

anyone know things about how to export twitch highlights to youtube at not garbage quality? maybe it's just my stream

[mossy zinc]

Because you're not updating it.

[true fable]

new high heat strategy

https://clips.twitch.tv/AgreeableHonorableEggnogHotPokket

we now have a baj clip to go with @daring hedge 's 3 damage rama powershot from earlier

1 point of damage per world record

[mossy zinc]

Bruh.

[north dove]

haha that's great

[daring hedge]

oof

[honest kernel]

Biggest brain fart ever

[mossy zinc]

Brb taking 6 Heat off Baj's 57 run for that.

Coincidentally, that's 1 Heat lower than my own record.

[tidal flame]

new controller means I will get 50 heat dem fists easy right?

right?

[loud coral]

yeah totally

[mossy zinc]

Fist try.

[true fable]

now we just need a crepes moment to complete the holy trinity for the ultra high heat blooper reel

@honest kernel why'd you run legacy for all of them?

couldnt be bothered to change mirror?

[honest kernel]

Pretty much

This stream was mostly shenanigans/learning the weapons

That Arthur run was also noice, because I took bracer legitimately

[true fable]

wait

[honest kernel]

Hades was hitting for like 25 lmao

[true fable]

LOL i didnt even notice the bracer

[honest kernel]

Oh yeah BTW I'm downloading the Twitch Vod

[true fable]

did you just facetank him

[honest kernel]

So I, in theory, should have 3 runs to add to the spreadsheet

Sort of

Still had to be careful because of timer

But you know what's even better ?

It was a cursed slash Arthur start

Y'know when I said shenanigans ? That's what I meant

[true fable]

i did notice the cursed slash

just big aoe healing? what was the plan

[honest kernel]

Sustain on the rooms

Facetank the bosses

[true fable]

solid

[honest kernel]

Oh yeah that's a 45 Arthur run without Double anything lmao

[true fable]

would like to see that one lol

[honest kernel]

Waiting on Twitch to allow me to download the VOD

Then I'll edit out the runs

[true fable]

did you get cold fusion on achilles then sell dem?

[honest kernel]

Nope

Never got Cold Fusion

That's Lightning Phalanx

[true fable]

oh dang

welp

looks like hours dont mean much for recognition

LUL

[honest kernel]

To be fair

You don't see both often

And they look similar

[true fable]

when we were doing this game i couldnt guess half of the shield hammers in the game

with cin's tierlist maker

i'd be interested to see a hammer tierlist for zeus shield

[honest kernel]

... Screw it I'm just gonna do it on Twitch

Also, hammer tier list, eh ?

[true fable]

https://tiermaker.com/create/hades-daedalus-hammers-82372

make it here boyo

[honest kernel]

That actually was quick https://gyazo.com/fd5bcb379937e9a3544574fb55808a92

This is my personnal tier list of Zeus shield hammers

None are peculiarly harmful, but you want those in S-tiers for sure

[true fable]

i just realized i cant read

lmfao

um

the bottom looks like

empowering?

dangit lemme pull up the wiki

[honest kernel]

Empowering Flight, Breaching Rush and Dashing Wallop

I used to like it

[true fable]

breaching rush is just kind of eh huh

[honest kernel]

It's even worse with damage control lol

[true fable]

theres just better hammers out there i guess

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[true fable]

imagine taking breaching when mino exists

and just does the job better

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[true fable]

ive found i have a hard time explaining why explosive return is good

but like

it's 50 damage

[honest kernel]

Also I swear if my Achilles clear starts with the brain fart of the century

[true fable]

that's big right

[honest kernel]

It's not just 50 damage

[true fable]

i think it does doesn't it

[honest kernel]

It's a sword special

Range's huge

[true fable]

ooo thats good

yeh i like that comparison

[honest kernel]

Makes room clears super fast

[true fable]

mustve been the run after i left then

LOL

brain fart into dub

timeless classic

[honest kernel]

... It is

Frick

[true fable]

oh boyo

[honest kernel]

The one Achilles clear that's recorded

And it showcases me being an absolute clown

[true fable]

can we get a 40+ heat clear with 4000+ obols finishing

i guess some boonless runs are probably there

[honest kernel]

What's the highest at anyheat anyways

[true fable]

think around 6-7k

i know the new 1k obol WR is 5 minutes RTA

[gaunt fiber]

It's better that way

[trim sigil]

I had like 2700 on 40 heat, pensive

[rain sedge]

I see that you still haven't changed your name

[gaunt fiber]

Your sight is a power that goes beyond this world

Zag sword mirrorless distant memory is hard lol

FO0 messes up my timings at Hades

[unreal pasture]

shield go whoosh then boom...

but really, it has two instances of hitstun... so you can, at a certain point, press the special button over and over on normal stuff and it's perma histunned

Pretty nice for clearing normal rooms

The radius also so large that you can be behind walls and throw a shield into it

and still hits stuff on the other side of the wall

[rain sedge]

explosive returns get multiplied by boons IIRC

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/O40mkR0

finally got it

4th try but damn it takes time

[cedar thistle]

o

[vital grove]

Ah, mirrorless

Good job

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's challenge n°2

mirrorless companion rib distant memory keepsake

[vital grove]

Any Zag?

[gaunt fiber]

zag sword

[vital grove]

Ehh. Bow at least would be better

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

one dash until elysium

painful

[vital grove]

No cast at all?

[gaunt fiber]

could no find one lol

common heartbreak strike no pom

[vital grove]

Nice hp tho

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it helped

Nice, third challenge is GY

oh god, green mirror so one dash and 25hp

[rain sedge]

where can I see this challenges?

[gaunt fiber]

https://www.hades-fansite.com/hades-weekly-challenges/HWC10

there, pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat

[vital grove]

These look fun!

I'll try some later

Thanks

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's super cool

[rain sedge]

is this official weekly challenge?

[gaunt fiber]

I think so yeah

[rain sedge]

I dont see the 2nd or 3rd challenge

[gaunt fiber]

it's in the "june" section

[rain sedge]

ah yeah, today is june after all

cool thanks

[gaunt fiber]

well there's nothing new since august so

it's strange

it feels like ruthless flex totally fits my playstyle

It deals so much dmg too

[sly remnant]

i've been actually meaning to try out ruthless

[solemn pulsar]

I did my first mirrorless run successfully last night so I guess I'm used to having only one dash.

Just kidding I got a second dash in asphodel

I was doing the diogenes challenge, but got aphro attack as a starting boon, then rare crop in the next room. That + second dash carried

[gaunt fiber]

I'm kinda proud of my 40 mirrorless cause I got divine dash in Elysium only

but one dash sure is hard

[daring hedge]

lol i felt kinda guilty for getting greatest reflex in my mirrorless 46

[solemn pulsar]

man i would have killed for divine dash, but the blade dash i ended up with actually did some good work on lernie+hades

[daring hedge]

and then of course i didn't get any extra dashes for the 57

[gaunt fiber]

Maybe I'll try again without greatest reflex

[sly remnant]

i've been thinking about doing high confidence and ruthless reflex to prep for RI

[solemn pulsar]

It's not like I got super-duper lucky getting it, I saved my rolls from key rooms, so technically I had 4 chances to get it with AP2, which isn't that improbable

[gaunt fiber]

but hey I already have 50% hp

I think one more dash is fair

yeah with rerolls it's ok

[solemn pulsar]

has anyone done a dashless run?

[edgy arrow]

i did once

it was zero heat tho; i was just messing around

[daring hedge]

eurydice is the hardest no dash boss

[gaunt fiber]

damn right

[solemn pulsar]

do you have to talk to her to leave the room?

[edgy arrow]

lol

[solemn pulsar]

oh god

[daring hedge]

yeah lol

[solemn pulsar]

The first time I found her room I didn't know you could dash through walls so I was stumped

[edgy arrow]

sadly they’re a couple of styx rooms that’re unbeatable

[solemn pulsar]

oh true

that sucks

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

the first time I found the room

[edgy arrow]

yeah i just made an exception for those lol

[gaunt fiber]

Zag had to tell me "I could dash through the wall"

[daring hedge]

yeah nobody is going to complain about those dashes just to progress

[solemn pulsar]

oh I'm sure there's always somebody

[edgy arrow]

anyone done a real no dash run?

like, with heat?

[daring hedge]

true unfortunately

[solemn pulsar]

would a "real" run be resetting if you run into the game breaking rooms, basically?

[sly remnant]

bruh if someone does it at -8 heat with god mode

they did a real no dash run

[edgy arrow]

what’s -8 heat lol

[gaunt fiber]

RI4

[sly remnant]

lmao i just meant i don't care how easily someone does it

[edgy arrow]

basis that -8

[sly remnant]

if they did it they did it

[edgy arrow]

RI isn’t negative heat

oh for sure

i just mean like

this is the high heat channel ig

idk

[solemn pulsar]

max god mode is 80% damage reduction, which is like -4 hard labor, but it doesn't get you to -8

[sly remnant]

this hasn't been high heat strategies in a long time guys

[solemn pulsar]

My high heat strategy is to drink ice water and turn on my air conditioner

[edgy arrow]

smart

[sly remnant]

its literally just masochists-who-play-one-game-too-much

[daring hedge]

i'm now considering doing no dash lol

[edgy arrow]

do it

[daring hedge]

maybe with achilles

[formal gust]

no dash harder than dash only

[edgy arrow]

i was gonna do 32, but i completely forget about it

[solemn pulsar]

!!!! you cracked the code! achilles is the way

[edgy arrow]

might give it a try

[solemn pulsar]

lets you skip over gaps

[formal gust]

like a lot harder

it feels so horrible

[edgy arrow]

my strat was chaos shield

on chaos it actually feels kinda fun

in a weird way

[sly remnant]

tailesque stream it

[edgy arrow]

^^^

[daring hedge]

true, bull rush works as a non-dash dash too

[solemn pulsar]

shield is best because you still have good movement where you don't lose your weapon, but achilles would let you beat the "unbeatable" rooms

[daring hedge]

lol

first twitch stream hi guys no dash 40 heat

[edgy arrow]

do it

[sly remnant]

do it tail

i'll offer you tips

"forget about using casts on achilles, just always left click everything casts are useless"

[mossy zinc]

You should.

[edgy arrow]

the real alpha move on achilles is to do a cast build but not use special at all

[mossy zinc]

Just do RI to prep for RI.

[daring hedge]

listen i had one dash in the 57 that makes up for it

[edgy arrow]

okay, pro dashless strategy: dash nova

technically not a dash

[gaunt fiber]

nah

[sly remnant]

beo with RI is about as fun as finding a sprig of hay in a needle stack

[gaunt fiber]

World splitter does it better @edgy arrow

[edgy arrow]

how does world splitter help you dash

[sly remnant]

tho i am considering some high heat mirrorless seeded beo runs

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge nope. We all know mirrorless is the only category that matters because it's the only category that can do max heat.

[gaunt fiber]

well you spam, makes you go forward

good enough

[edgy arrow]

lmao

big brain

astaos do dashless GY

i believe in you

[daring hedge]

the people demand it

[gaunt fiber]

well

[mossy zinc]

I don't.

But m also not the people.

[daring hedge]

[mossy zinc]

The queen is not the people.

[edgy arrow]

i am the people tho

i am all of the people

and i demand it

[gaunt fiber]

hm

Should I listen to a queen or to the people

[mossy zinc]

@edgy arrow pay your taxes, people.

[edgy arrow]

damn walked into that one

now i gotta pay the entire people’s taxes

[mossy zinc]

Should I listen to a my queen or to the people, yes I should
FTFY.

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

thanks

[mossy zinc]

Democracy is dead. Long live me.

[edgy arrow]

help i’m being repressed

[mossy zinc]

Yes you are.

What about it?

[gaunt fiber]

But honestly

If the queen does not want me to do dashless GY

I'd rather listen to her

[edgy arrow]

i’d accuse you of being a coward, but that’d prolly end with me paying more taxes or something

[gaunt fiber]

Fite me

https://imgur.com/BBu66RG

where's my title

[edgy arrow]

so many green

[gaunt fiber]

yeah it's "Imperial jade"

wow the picture for the challenge is amazing

Could I use it for a thumbnail?

[sly remnant]

could do a reverse image search

if its just a generic image you can use it

if not you'll have to get permission

[gaunt fiber]

Hm I see, thanks

[mossy zinc]

Was it a Peachy challenge or one after those?

[gaunt fiber]

Peachy

[mossy zinc]

Ask @torn vapor then.

[gaunt fiber]

[obsidian saddle]

If you are starting heat runs, what are good 1-3 heat items to add first?

[sly remnant]

are you trying to push really high or just want the bounties

[obsidian saddle]

the bounties at the moment