#h1-high-heat-strategies

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rain sedge
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long time no see

mossy zinc
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Crepes is probably just passing through before dropping a 57 boonless with Hestia.

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While feigning interest in mirrorless.

gaunt fiber
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Mirrorless is peace of the mind

north dove
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I suppose I have somewhat of a skewed view on it since I got charged skewer in 4 out of the 5 last runs I had with it. dusa

mossy zinc
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Yeah, that makes sene. Charged Skewer Guan Yu is amazing.

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How did the 1 run without go?

north dove
mossy zinc
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Ah nice.

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Those two are definitely the best hammers for DPS.

gaunt fiber
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It's looks so fun

north dove
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Yup, Charged Skewer, Serrated Point and Quick Spin are my go-tos

mossy zinc
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It's kinda hard if you don't get either. Massive Spin can help with damage if you don't.

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I think I like Massive Spin over Quick Spin for the damage and AOE.

gaunt fiber
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I like quick spin when enemies are on FO2

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but massive spin helps a lot when your boons are meh until elysium

north dove
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Quick spin makes the spin useable on EM4 dad so there's that

gaunt fiber
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ah

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EM4

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haha

shy plinth
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Oh, they're gone

gaunt fiber
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Kamikazed their video and gone

dire steppe
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isnt lv1 hera better for stygian

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because you keep the bloodstone in longer

cedar thistle
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exit wounds?

dire steppe
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shouldn’t matter since you’re applying the same number of bloodstones they just stay in longer

cedar thistle
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yea. but you'll kill them a few seconds faster, assuming the enemy last long enough for a dislodge.

hollow lynx
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also stygian with hera lol

mossy zinc
hollow lynx
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just kidding, stygian with hera is pretty good, but it basically does the job of hera’s upgrade path for it

cedar thistle
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i only see people use stygian when dio which doesn't even lodge in the first place.

hollow lynx
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so i put on infernal soul, for the loading nuance

spring kettle
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dio cast lasts for like 5 seconds, regenerates every 3

shy plinth
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Stygian + beo = ❤️

hollow lynx
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the burst potential is cut with stygian, which is why i don’t like it as much on hera

mossy zinc
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I think Stygian Soul on Hera is fine with any cast.

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Allows for more mobility when you don't have to go pick up your casts.

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There's more than one way to play an aspect effectively.

shy plinth
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So you're saying you can play guan yu without aph

mossy zinc
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Why would I ever want to play any aspect without my one true goddess?

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You're saying ridiculous things.

spring kettle
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Goddess of love and war

shy plinth
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That's kind of my jam

mossy zinc
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Goddess of Love. She's not the goddess of war lol war is Lord Ares.

shy plinth
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I think depending on who you ask around the house of hades Ares might be double dipping

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Lotta war but a little love for the night

spring kettle
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The Spartans thought she did war at least

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But then, they were really into war

shy plinth
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If you love war then it starts to blur

mossy zinc
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I've been playing Halo, so I know about spartans.

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They're supersoldiers in space, right?

tidal flame
sly remnant
hollow lynx
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@roboss#5533 hey! links like these should be posted in #self-promotion , and please don’t spam them!

shy plinth
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They left the disc immediately after posting lol

hollow lynx
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i’m deleting the aforementioned link as well

cedar thistle
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it was probably a bot.

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did you run out of time?

tidal flame
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interesting

sly remnant
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i went too ham in the heroes fight. if i would have taken it slow i think i could have lived longer in overtime

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but i was way too worried about timer

cedar thistle
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o bad news too

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seems like alot of damage

sly remnant
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it did have damage

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what i would have given for +1 cast

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my asphodel was unfortunately so awful. I got one free room

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and then blue head...which just slows you down so much in the lernie fight

hollow lynx
sly remnant
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i got lucky with rooms in elysium but a chamber 33 and 34 flame wheel naked swordsman did me in

tidal flame
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Why did you pick Fiery over Shadow Presence?

sly remnant
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i go back and forth whether fiery or shadow is better at high heat

tidal flame
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right

sly remnant
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for the trash clear mostly

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shadow is most notable on bosses.....and beo does not really care about bosses

cedar thistle
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i like fiery for beo. but what do i know. 😐 i've no successful 32+ with beo.

sly remnant
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i think fiery is better since it helps you deal with trash

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but i could be wrong

tidal flame
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it makes sense

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if it works it works

sly remnant
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if you are doing TD2 shadow probably helps you avoid the doom scenario

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but with TD3....rooms are spooky

ripe crane
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I should try fiery on Hestia. I would like it more if it also applied on a full health enemy after you break their shield. That is still full health, it should count 😡

mossy zinc
tidal flame
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what did they do?

gaunt fiber
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Beep boop

tidal flame
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except a appetite for pain

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nvm

mossy zinc
sly remnant
mossy zinc
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Happens to me a lot in those situations.

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But at least the more often you get there at the heat you're grinding, the calmer you are.

gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
true fable
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if it doesnt work under DC hearts i dont really see a reason to take it

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lol

upper edge
true fable
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so then shadow >>>> fiery anytime DC is on

sly remnant
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oh boy

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guess i'm switching then

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see guys you don't even need a mirror talent that works for 50 heat 🙂

true fable
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LOL

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well weve learned you dont really need a mirror for 46 heat

sly remnant
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yea guys just be tailesque

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i should do 45 on all weapons one day

true fable
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im stuck in pc building hell

sly remnant
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i suspect the pact has enough wiggle room to customize the pact for MOST weapons at 45

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for a bad player like me

true fable
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yeah 45 feels mostly fine

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you can sort of just switch off the pacts you absolutely dont want

ripe crane
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Sorry. Shield was wrong term

gaunt fiber
true fable
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i see

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i was wondering why DC was on for you

true fable
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just gonna do a full rebuild today

tidal flame
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what do you need?

true fable
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wym?

tidal flame
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the answer

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what was the question?

true fable
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basically the mobo boot light comes on but it doesn't post

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so im just double checking all the wiring

static plover
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What have you tried for troubleshooting so far?

true fable
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reseating cpu/ram/gpu

static plover
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My first question, does your cpu have on board graphics?

true fable
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no

static plover
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Bugger

true fable
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right

gaunt fiber
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Is it a power supply issue?

sly remnant
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possibly not having something plugged into the motherboard

true fable
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don't think so, since it powers up and fans come on and everything

tidal flame
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interesting

static plover
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The only things that would cause that are the 24 pin, 8 pin and ram

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I assume the ram is completely seated

tidal flame
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could be bad components, which is the worst scenario

static plover
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Yeah, which is why I asked if the cpu had on board graphics

tidal flame
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which chip comes with no on board?

static plover
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If it where the case you could boot of that and possibly rule out gpu being the issue

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Some cpu's have graphics chips integrated on them

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So you can boot without a discrete graphics card

sly remnant
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another gpu you could plug in?

true fable
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unfortunately no

tidal flame
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rule out things one by one

sly remnant
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not a bad idea actually

static plover
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PSU can be ruled out by virtue of everything turning on but with no signal post

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Well fans and the like turning on

true fable
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so

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i ran it without a GPU

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cycled through booting sequence before stopping at the VGA light

sly remnant
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that uh....kinda makes things obvious

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oh wait i might have misread

tidal flame
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I mean the integrated graphic should still light that light?

static plover
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Is it possible to get to the bios during the boot sequence?

true fable
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no

cunning herald
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sorry to cut in, is there any general advice for em4?

sly remnant
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or just general advice

cunning herald
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uhh in general

tidal flame
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Use range weapon for an easier time

cunning herald
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i just cycle through whatever has dark thirst and climb heat 1 at a time

true fable
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it's a fight that takes a lot of getting used to

cunning herald
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so ideally at some point i should be able to beat it with everything

tidal flame
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Make a practice save tbh

true fable
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you know about empty dash i-frames and all that?

tidal flame
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Nothing more practical than that

cunning herald
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practice save?

tidal flame
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Yeah, you can make a save that will load you directly to Hades everytime

cunning herald
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empty dash as in? dont know too much about terminology

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oh so create a save after im done with temple?

true fable
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a dash without throwing out an attack

cunning herald
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ah yeah

true fable
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so if you empty dash you get invincibility frames

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if you want to do the fight on melee weapons youre gonna want to get used to double dashing his spins

static plover
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Oof, the only things I can think of are, your BIOS needs an update, cpu or mobo issues

cunning herald
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its more uh, how to approach the fight

sly remnant
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*note: shield is not a melee weapon

cunning herald
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my first time i tried to focus down the ads

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but i just slowly got overwhelmed

true fable
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retrash's 54 heat run is a very good example of how to dodge/handle certain moves

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depends on the weapon

sly remnant
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focusing down the ads is correct most of the time

true fable
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depends on the add too

tidal flame
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It's hard to write in words, but we have a pinned spreadsheet pf high heat completion

true fable
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skullcrushers? no point imo

tidal flame
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Many of which has EM4

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Give it a look

true fable
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a sneak i will nuke into oblivion though

tidal flame
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Also if you want to learn how to make a practice save, we can show you that, too

sly remnant
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EM4 is also a fight that rewards having a good build and understanding your aspect

true fable
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making a practice save is easier than you think it is

cunning herald
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its not something i can do directly ingame?

tidal flame
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Nope, it's basically copying your current state of the game and replay it

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Many people think messing with game saves to practice "cheating" so it's up to you

cunning herald
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sure how do i do it

true fable
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who says that?

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ive never seen anyone try to roast me for practicing first run heroes or EM4 lol

gaunt fiber
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Same

true fable
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its only if you play out that run and pass it off as legitimate which just

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why

gaunt fiber
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EM4 practice without it is

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Crazy

tidal flame
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I'm on phone, can some one show him how to?

true fable
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let me grab my laptop

tidal flame
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As for the people I referred to, I don't want to name names, but they also think turning up brightness for third phase EM4 cheating

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Basically if it's not game mechanics, it's cheating

gaunt fiber
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Get to Hades, copy your Profile1_Temp.sav, make a second or third profile or whatever, overwrite Profile2.sav with the temp save from your first profile.

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Nyaanyaa, 2020.

cunning herald
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which folder?

true fable
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should be in like .../Documents/Saved Games/Hades

cunning herald
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im playing through steam

true fable
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yeah

cunning herald
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does that make a dif?

true fable
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no

gaunt fiber
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nah

true fable
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im playing through steam as well

cunning herald
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oh when was this folder here

gaunt fiber
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you could also just look for sav files

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you'd find the folder

cunning herald
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Profile1_Temp.sav is the current state of the run if i quit out?

true fable
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so what i've done is i've taken each tempsave i want to practice on and put it in a separate folder

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yes

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or where it last saved

sly remnant
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i've done the same as bright

true fable
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and then when you want to practice that one

cunning herald
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so basically just make a backup and change filenames?

true fable
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just paste it from that folder and rename it ProfileX.sav, where X is a profile number you dont care about

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yeah

sly remnant
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exactly zhi

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i have a 36 heat supersoaker save i need to go back and practice

cunning herald
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alright time to go die a few times

true fable
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LOL

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that's the spirit

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Oh if you want to keep practicing it just hit "give up" before you return to the House of Hades

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@cunning herald

gaunt fiber
cunning herald
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doesnt that reset me to the garden?

true fable
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nah

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since it's a tempsave

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as a sidebar

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can you normally hit give up after you die in your runs? @all

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because i was practicing some first run bosses and couldnt hit give up after death, but wasnt sure if that was exclusively a first run thing

sly remnant
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thats a first run thing

true fable
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for sure

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just checking

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dang that sucks

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LMAO

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trying to think how i practice this

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maybe just RI4 zag sword with a useless keepsake

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like distant memory or something

sly remnant
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today i remembered that distant memory existed

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idk why i even bothered to level mine

gaunt fiber
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distant memory

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so nostalgic

sly remnant
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i remember when i thought mom blossom was OP

tidal flame
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How to make a boss fight (or any fight, really) practice save.

  1. Do a run and get to that fight.
  2. The moment you get through the door, hit Pause.
  3. Open File Explorer and navigate to Documents/Saved Games/Hades.
  4. Copy Profile1_Temp.sav (assuming you are on slot 1 in the save slots).
  5. Rename Profile1_Temp.sav to Profile2.sav or any other open slots.
    (Note: if you also play on other slots, or the 2nd one in this example, this will overwrite that save file progress. Proceed at your own discretion.)
  6. Now come back in game. You can quit out to main menu and load the 2nd slot.
    (You might have to load this twice. The first try might bring you to a new run, give up and reload a second time).
  7. The game should correctly load you to the wanted fight.
  8. You can now practice the fight. Hit Give Up and Reload the moment you die (black screen) or win to make sure the file doesn't progress and you can use it again and again.
sly remnant
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i just get free poms how is that balanced

tidal flame
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I know we already went over this, but this is for easy copy paste in the future.

gaunt fiber
static plover
true fable
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but i need a 3rd pom in that secondary boon that doesnt scale with poms

gaunt fiber
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hm

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guess it will be another asphodel thumbnail

true fable
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right

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youtube likes it a lot

gaunt fiber
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I wish I had some skills to get a nice GY thing

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but I don't have any experience

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Alright

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I'm moving on some other aspect to learn the game

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(Yes my winrate is about 6%)

cunning herald
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did i pause too late? i cant quit out

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o i cant upload picture

gaunt fiber
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it happens

cunning herald
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do i have to redo it

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or its fine to just quit

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and reload the game

gaunt fiber
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the game may have saved something

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I'm guessing you have to redo it

cunning herald
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o nm i think i did it too late

gaunt fiber
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Run submitted

true fable
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astaos what other aspects will you play

gaunt fiber
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I have no idea

shy plinth
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Do we have any sword mains in here

gaunt fiber
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Well me I'm a poseidon main

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2nd weapon look

shy plinth
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Well there you go

gaunt fiber
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pls no

shy plinth
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Nemesis?

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Arthur?

honest kernel
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That moment when I started learning Arthur

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And got blocked by EM4

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at 50 heat

shy plinth
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That seems like a wall yes

honest kernel
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Still, I find the weapon very intuitive to use

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Which is weird to say

true fable
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arthur?

honest kernel
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Yeah

true fable
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seems on brand for you

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are you just gonna be maining all HC3 aspects baj

honest kernel
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lmao

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What are they anyways

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I know Lucifer ain't one of those I want to use, I'd rather do Eris

shy plinth
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Is lucifer like... the worst weapon

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Maybe I just don't get it

honest kernel
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It's actually very powerful

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But a bit awkward to use

shy plinth
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The scaling damage intrigues me

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It's so weird

true fable
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lucifer is extremely powerful it's just very hard to force yourself to stop firing to dodge bad bp mobs

shy plinth
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Ah that's the thing

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Not firing

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I will try that

honest kernel
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You aren't playing rail

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You play slower rail

shy plinth
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It's like

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Bus

true fable
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dodging things on lucifer is so different from any other aspect in the game because luci literally "doesn't" have a dash attack

honest kernel
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^

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That's the tricky part

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Worst aspect is likely Zagreus Spear, BTW

true fable
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so instead they were like, why not just make people vulnerable if theyre firing while dashing

shy plinth
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Ah makes sense

true fable
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you think so? it's a hard tie between zag spear and sword for me

shy plinth
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Zag aspects aside I wonder what would win the crown

honest kernel
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Sword has Double Edge, Double Nova, Cursed Slash

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That can make it do good damage

true fable
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i dont think arthur's that good but someone can feel free to prove me wrong

honest kernel
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Zag Spear has Flurry Jab and Explosive Launcher ... to do mediocre damage

true fable
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yup lol

honest kernel
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on FO2

true fable
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my favorite thing is that you just like

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dont use the special

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on the special focused aspect

honest kernel
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Achilles does a special build better

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Because it's not nearly as laggy

true fable
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do you think zag spear would be any better if you could buffer instant recall

daring hedge
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it's honestly amazing how even after exploding launcher and epic swift flourish from hermes...

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zag spear damage felt super mediocre

honest kernel
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^

tidal flame
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5 blood bro

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5

honest kernel
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Base spear just lacks good damage outside of very specific hammers

daring hedge
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or 5 blood for zag bow which is actually good

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or zag shield

honest kernel
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^

gaunt fiber
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that's my favorite argument

true fable
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i don't understand how to use exploding launcher

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is it just rapidfire GY?

daring hedge
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yeah

honest kernel
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Could also invest 3 blood into Hera or something

true fable
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everyone out here playing cyberpunk and im just troubleshooting a pc 😞

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i wanted to experience the bugs firsthand

gaunt fiber
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GY pierces

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I like it better than explosive

true fable
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i think i will play more GY

gaunt fiber
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a wise decision

true fable
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i respect your abysmal clear rate astaos

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mark of a true champion

gaunt fiber
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thanks lol

true fable
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completely sincere btw

daring hedge
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true tenacity

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same

formal gust
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I think I have like <20 clear rate

gaunt fiber
honest kernel
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...

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What even is mine lol

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Probably like 12% or something

formal gust
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speedruns and high heat man

daring hedge
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can't even imagine what lilli's win rate looks like after all those resets

gaunt fiber
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the thing is

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I don't reset that much

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I just

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die

daring hedge
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same thing, the game doesn't differentiate lol

gaunt fiber
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sure

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Idk what's safer for your sanity

daring hedge
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dying genuinely instead of going "nah this is not going to work" before getting yourself killed on purpose (which i am guilty of doing depending on my patience) is good practice though

honest kernel
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^

gaunt fiber
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Yeah

honest kernel
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As I stated a few times, I barely reset

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for my 57 heat attempts

gaunt fiber
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You can test limits, timing and things

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I like it

honest kernel
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That's how I found out about Skull Earing

daring hedge
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yeah, some runs you really don't believe in can go ridiculously far

gaunt fiber
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and some incredible runs can go ridiculously fast to the House

formal gust
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that's how it be

honest kernel
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Poseidon special on Zeus aspect is like "Why can't you get boon purging stations in Tartarus"

worthy cipher
daring hedge
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you can't

gaunt fiber
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you can't lol

daring hedge
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rip current requires poseidon call first

honest kernel
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^ Which is also not something you can get first boon

daring hedge
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exactly

gaunt fiber
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even with a roll?

worthy cipher
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yes the Call

gaunt fiber
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I thought Bablo said that

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maybe wrong

honest kernel
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Not 100% sure, but I don't recall seeing one

worthy cipher
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I've finished like 5 runs with the call

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can I want to start with that

honest kernel
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I know you can get lightning reflexes after a roll tho

true fable
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you can get call after a roll

honest kernel
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Hmm

daring hedge
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rerolls do break the set pattern of like, cast/special/attack/dash yeah

gaunt fiber
true fable
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ive had to roll dio boons far too much shadegrief

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when you roll for cast and it give you after party strong dronk and call

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very cool

honest kernel
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I'd take his call early wtf

formal gust
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dio has like the worst general boons in the game? idk what to call them

true fable
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support boons?

formal gust
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yeah

true fable
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idk

honest kernel
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His passives are weird

true fable
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yeah theyre a bit lacking

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and then theres prem vintage

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which is great but also i want a boon to sell

honest kernel
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Doesn't help that he his mechanic-specific boons aren't the greatest either

formal gust
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vintage is clutch

true fable
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the room 1 cast into early prem vintage is a classic

formal gust
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more health and free pom

shy plinth
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Dio seems like the god that falls off the most

honest kernel
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Altho numbing sensation is one that I think is overlooked, as is the Chill effect in general

daring hedge
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peer pressure is just truly terrible in my opinion

formal gust
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hangover is plenty viable

daring hedge
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complete waste of a T2

true fable
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i think wobbles really likes dio core boons

gaunt fiber
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12 or 15%

formal gust
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virgin dio support boon vs chad zeus support boon

true fable
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high voltage

honest kernel
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B I L L O W I N G S T R E N G T H

true fable
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why do i feel like high voltage is twice as likely as double strike

honest kernel
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Uh oh

true fable
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goodbye cin

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stinky mouth

daring hedge
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vaporized

formal gust
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billowing is [hecking] broken though

honest kernel
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Smited

true fable
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i do like me some billowing

formal gust
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dunno how good clouded is

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the reflex one is like, whatever

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actually artemis probs has better support boons

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I mean, PP is goated

true fable
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artemis support boons are a weird mix

honest kernel
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E X I T W O U N D S

true fable
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PP + hunter's mark always a solid combo

gaunt fiber
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No answer to my question

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I see I won

true fable
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LOL

formal gust
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drank is okay if you get 3 fountains

shy plinth
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Does Athena get bonus credit because of the stands

daring hedge
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40 mirrorless carried by urge to kill

gaunt fiber
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tbh I saw it on styx, like "Oh strong drink, you were here all along?"

honest kernel
formal gust
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global urge to kill

daring hedge
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lol

shy plinth
daring hedge
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mini eris perk at all times

formal gust
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drank is that

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I think it's global

daring hedge
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it is, yes

formal gust
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nerf drank

daring hedge
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same with butterfly

formal gust
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confirmed

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support fire is a giant meme

honest kernel
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It's actually decent on Zeus shield

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You had like 80 damage per second

daring hedge
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tiny homing zeus bolts on every attack special or cast

gaunt fiber
honest kernel
#

... If lightning rod worked on Support fire instead of the cast stones

#

OH BOI

true fable
#

support fire is a meme

#

but at least it does things

daring hedge
#

yeah it's not worthless

true fable
#

shoutout to after party

honest kernel
#

Helps out against DC a bit

#

That alone makes it good in my book

gaunt fiber
#

I thought it was super good on fists?

daring hedge
#

and if, yeah lol

#

was about to say DC too

true fable
#

it's really good on weapons that can hit the ICD

#

not so good on like

#

uh

#

beowulf

#

which is ironically probably the weapon i've picked it the most on

formal gust
#

meme does not mean bad

honest kernel
#

See : Crystal Beam

true fable
honest kernel
#

I'm actually serious

#

It's good damage that ignores DC for the most part

#

But the big part : Glacial Glare is legitimately insane

#

The chill is VERY nice for bosses, Extra duration means better rooms and less worrying about replacing the cast in boss fights

formal gust
#

fully loaded

true fable
#

no im aware

#

it's great

#

fully loaded is fake

formal gust
#

fully loaded is not good lol

#

well it feels a liiitle bit weak for how hard it is to get

true fable
#

it's a win more thing

formal gust
#

especially if you are using stygian and can't get exit wounds

true fable
#

like it's not a boon you get if your run is going terribly

#

and if your run is going well you dont really need it

honest kernel
#

The most reliable way to get it would be to start Artemis cast. Who actually wants to do that nowadays LOL

formal gust
#

you get it if your run is terrible

#

if it's not a cast build

true fable
#

LOL

#

the number of times ive just picked up PP and support fire on eris

#

and just ended up with fully loaded :^)

formal gust
#

and you have to pick it

#

because orange

true fable
#

me see orange boon me pick orange boon

#

simple brain

formal gust
#

like even if there's hunter mark

rain sedge
#

orange boon is 420 gold

#

and that's dank

gaunt fiber
#

I love duos for that

#

being rich at high heat feels good

cunning herald
#

well update on me dying to em4, i can clear 3 out of 12 attempts guess ill just work on this slowly D:

honest kernel
#

EM4 is hard

cunning herald
#

keep dying to spear spin into throw cause im waiting for a second spin

honest kernel
#

Like, really hard

gaunt fiber
#

hard and stupid

cunning herald
#

having 4 free heat would be nice if i can get it down though

gaunt fiber
#

It will never be free

#

and as you grind heat it will get even worse

rain sedge
#

it's one of the least free heats you can get

cunning herald
#

oh

rain sedge
#

very few people even take it at 50

gaunt fiber
#

with FO HL combos

rain sedge
#

TD3 btw

honest kernel
#

I sure as hell didn't for my 57 heat clear

cunning herald
#

do ppl usually not take 4 then?

gaunt fiber
#

and TD3 sure but TD3 is not staple I would say

honest kernel
#

Some aspects could take it

#

But not all should

rain sedge
#

you can check heat setup for clears at the pinned spreadsheet, but no

#

Baj here is our king, he has the highest heat at 57

#

and I believe he didnt do it with EM4

honest kernel
#

Technically tied with Tailesque at 57

#

But he used my pact so lol

rain sedge
#

yeah one of our two kings, like sparta's two king system

honest kernel
#

no EM4 either

gaunt fiber
#

"my pact"

#

"maxing everything"

rain sedge
#

only retrash do EM4 IIRC

honest kernel
#

RI3 isn't exactly common

rain sedge
#

@sly remnant was your beo 50 EM4? can't remember

#

I think so, right? since it's beo?

gaunt fiber
sly remnant
#

its beo

#

not doing EM4 is throwing

rain sedge
#

so there you go zhi. don't feel bad

#

some psychos throw themselves at EM4 for weeks in the hopes to get better

#

cough

cunning herald
#

probably me i guess

sly remnant
#

bruh just block dad

honest kernel
rain sedge
#

I was ribbing astaos but I feel bad now 😦

loud coral
sly remnant
#

you should always fit the pact to the aspect

#

if your aspect is good at EM4

loud coral
#

gonna happen someday i promise

autumn walrus
#

I just want to hear the guitar solo

sly remnant
#

do EM4

#

if its not.

#

don't do EM4

honest kernel
#

Zeus aspect is good enough for EM4

loud coral
#

Was barely making it through EM3 so not sure whether to do RI2 or EM4 on Achilles

cunning herald
#

im still in the area where i can still safely buy my titans blood/diamond so im not sure where the limits are yet

honest kernel
#

But I'm not good enough at the fight yet

sly remnant
#

achilles isn't a fantastic EM4 weapon....however since its a cast weapon its hard. there aren't a lot of pacts designed with cast weapons in mind

rain sedge
#

what's your heat at now zhi?

rain sedge
cunning herald
#

i just cycle through dark thirst so

#

some values between 9-14

#

i got tired of climbing so i did a 16 for my steam achievement

gaunt fiber
#

My bounties ain't cleared yet

#

go for 32

cunning herald
#

ill work my way up first bolb

#

feels wasted if i dont

loud coral
sly remnant
#

i made beo do 50 to prove a point

#

i wouldn't describe it as fun

honest kernel
#

Almost did 50 Achilles lmao

#

But I threw the dad fight

sly remnant
#

achilles is a very good weapon

rain sedge
#

does beo even count as cast

sly remnant
#

uhhhh

#

yes?

rain sedge
#

I mean

gaunt fiber
#

hm

rain sedge
#

in the spirit of the statement

sly remnant
#

my 50 beo

#

was all in cast

#

stygian soul +1 cast mirage shot

gaunt fiber
#

yeah but I think he means that it does not feel like cast

#

like you don't cast

sly remnant
#

ye its a different weapon

#

thats why i like it

#

i've always enjoyed playing games in non-standard ways

#

achilles and beo can do 50

#

talos probably can....but you don't use the cast part of it

#

i think poseidon could do 50 seeded but unseeded would be a....project

#

not impossible

gaunt fiber
#

well

sly remnant
#

but not fun

gaunt fiber
#

it's like zag

#

at worst lol

sly remnant
#

right

dire steppe
#

zag has that epic move speed tho

sly remnant
#

most "cast" weapons end up getting played as zag aspects at 50+

#

which is 😦

#

beo and achilles can still compete at 50 but the pact is biased against them

#

cast weapons like boons and cast weapons like mirror

#

so they are forced to take TD3 and EM4

#

and TD3 and EM4 are contradictory pacts

honest kernel
#

Am I crazy if I'm doing RI3 Arthur

sly remnant
#

nah arthur can do it

#

its FO2 arthur hates

#

more than anything

honest kernel
#

...

#

About that

sly remnant
#

BRUH

#

YOU CRAZY

shy plinth
#

Do you have DC on

honest kernel
#

I'm crazy, not delusionnal

#

Ain't turning DC on lol

shy plinth
#

TD3 FO2 DC2 Arthur let's go

#

Maybe even get a little JS3 in there

loud coral
#

TD3 Arthur isn't even that bad to be honest

sly remnant
#

arthur can actually go fast. it doesn't need many boons

loud coral
#

The range more than makes up for the slowness

honest kernel
#

From my first few runs

#

It's legitimately fast, yeah

sly remnant
#

the thing is.....arthur is all about taking hits

#

and FO2

#

kinda ruins that

honest kernel
#

That's why I want to see how far I can go with it

sly remnant
#

thats probably the best 50 pact for arthur

honest kernel
#

Could probably consider FO2 -> FO1 and AP1 -> AP2

sly remnant
#

it is a weapon that can consider AP2. but while you are learning about the weapon i think having options is important

#

yep exactly

#

i def feel AP2 can pigeonhole the understanding of a weapon

gaunt fiber
#

Learning at 50

#

Interesting

sly remnant
#

i would never have taken beo past 50 if i'd run AP2

honest kernel
#

The best way to learn your aspect/weapon's limitations is to push the game to it's hardest

gaunt fiber
#

Idk

#

Mirrorless helped me a lot

sly remnant
#

ye but some weapons are not built for mirrorless

gaunt fiber
#

But it's not the hardest imo

#

Well

honest kernel
#

1-dash has helped me plenty as is to learn

gaunt fiber
#

A lot of aspects can do it

sly remnant
#

a lot can

#

arthur could do mirrorless pretty well actually

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah

sly remnant
#

but cast weapons

#

maybe they could do it seeded

gaunt fiber
#

Yeah cast and no mirror... Ugh

honest kernel
#

But I also agree mirrorless helps you too

#

I did a bunch of mirrorless runs prior to my 57 heat attempts

#

Could reach Elysium about half the time

#

With LC4

gaunt fiber
#

Nice

honest kernel
#

It made my early game a lot cleaner

#

To the point where even timing out in Tartarus with JS3 CP2 DC2 wasn't common

#

In fact, it was rare

sly remnant
#

ye i've gotten a lot better at not timing out in tartarus with beo

#

but then there's the elysium wall

gaunt fiber
#

CP... I have not turned it on yet

sly remnant
#

its very difficult

#

avoid it until you have no choice

#

it makes elysium a slog no matter how good your build is

#

greatshields feel like tiny vermin

#

i've come to the conclusion that tartarus and asphodel are about mechanics and having a good understanding of your weapon

#

CP2 with elysium is about all that before it AND having a good build

#

thats why self-sufficient weapons are so much better at high heat

#

armor effin sucks

true fable
#

we're in business

#

gonna be trying some 51 chaos shield and 50 beowulf tonight

sly remnant
#

hell yea

#

if you don't mind recording i'd like to watch your runs even if they don't succeed

honest kernel
#

...

#

I could be streaming some Arthur runs

sly remnant
#

always appreciate learning from a fellow beo conneissuer

honest kernel
#

That or I force myself to learn EM4 with Zeus Shield

sly remnant
#

sounds rough

#

i like the EM4 fight

#

but thats because my weapon excels at the fight

honest kernel
#

It's actually not that bad, but I need to follow suit on it

#

Urns are rough

#

And they feel much more dangerous on EM4

sly remnant
#

i actually stand still a ton in the urn portions

honest kernel
#

Probably something I need to do more of

#

I got better at avoiding urns as of late

#

But with Hades zooming around all the place in EM4

#

It's a bit scarier

sly remnant
#

speedrunning 40s also made me a lot better at urns

true fable
#

i might try to set up a stream

#

a fellow beowulf appreciator

#

if you will

rain sedge
#

just roll epic sure footing lul

honest kernel
#

Not possible

rain sedge
honest kernel
#

AP2 crossed it out

sly remnant
#

ugh

true fable
#

but yeah if anyone wants to help me trouble shoot it you get a big fat diamond whenever i can give those out

honest kernel
#

And gave me common bronze skin

sly remnant
#

@true fable link me while i farm genshin

true fable
#

5% damage reduc pog

#

i cannot stand genshin lmao

#

fantastic game and the

#

n

#

gatcha

sly remnant
#

eh. i'm haivng fun

#

my gf and i play together

#

mostly just run around and find stuff

true fable
#

that's fair

#

im just thinking of the people who reset the first 30 minutes until they get like 2 5 stars or something

#

then again i reset in tartarus until i get sub 2:20 maybe we are the same

rain sedge
rain sedge
#

I can't decide help

sly remnant
#

i'm a weeb

rancid stirrup
#

isnt double 5* in genshin like
0.36%

rain sedge
#

can you be a weeb if you have a gf

#

wait do I get the terms mixed up

true fable
#

absolutely

rancid stirrup
#

...wait no thats horrible math

honest kernel
#

You are probably thinking of neet more than weeb

rain sedge
#

ok what I mean is otaku

honest kernel
#

... Yeah ok

#

Actually aren't they similar ?

#

Or I am missing something

rancid stirrup
#

weeb wants to be japanese

rain sedge
#

idk I just call people weeb for fun

sly remnant
#

i don't own a body pillow if it matters

rain sedge
#

ok

#

tyler

#

how many animes have you watched

sly remnant
#

lmao a lot

true fable
#

at least 2 animes sir

rain sedge
#

because uh, some people on my other discord have some absurd number

#

define "a lot"

#

because... the bar is pretty high

sly remnant
#

idk i've never counted

true fable
#

i've seen around 40ish? but that was in my younger years

rain sedge
true fable
#

if you lost count you definitely a weeb LMAO

rain sedge
#

the real weebs have this thing called my animes list and it automatically counts for you

#

nono

#

the real weebs have a tracker

sly remnant
#

oh lol i used to do MAL

rain sedge
#

my other discord have 500+

true fable
#

same lmao

#

500+!?

rain sedge
#

yea as I said

true fable
#

THERES MORE TO LIFE

rain sedge
#

the bar is pretty high

true fable
#

THAN CARTOONS

sly remnant
#

ye like resetting in tartarus

honest kernel
#

Be careful where you say that, Bright

true fable
#

god i sound like a boomer

daring hedge
#

these are some weird high heat strategies

true fable
#

onyx is asleep post off topic content

sly remnant
#

i mean i'm the only one to do dio beo at 50 heat

#

if rin is your waifu then you can do dio beo at 50

#

science

rain sedge
#

#hades-high-heat-players-lounge, as I said

rain sedge
honest kernel
rain sedge
#

aite imma tag you both as weeb on discord

true fable
#

no CP?

honest kernel
#

I could probably do it

sly remnant
#

rooms will take forever with CP

true fable
#

think CP would be better practice though

#

idk

sly remnant
#

if you just want to practice fight i think getting to it more often is important

honest kernel
#

I'll do CP2, might as well

true fable
#

well you could just keep the save there but

#

🤷‍♂️

sly remnant
#

mmmm

honest kernel
#

That's what I should do

#

I got 2 save slots

true fable
#

good thing we're back on topic onyx is online again zaglol

honest kernel
#

Could do one for the heroes

#

and one for Hades

sly remnant
#

one reason i appreciate beo at Em4 is that i played a lot of different beo builds speedrunning 40

tidal flame
#

damn do we need to dodge Onyx now also?

#

this is getting out of hand

true fable
#

now we have exactly 2 mods that regularly patrol high heat shadefear

#

EM4 beo is just kind of fun tbh

#

dont mind it at all

tidal flame
#

mod me, ill patrol this place 24/7

true fable
#

regular rooms can be a slog though tbh

tidal flame
sly remnant
#

ye if i could only have DC2 Cp2 on for boss fights

hollow lynx
#

volfredthink what about me?

sly remnant
#

i'd be a lot happier

honest kernel
#

Lol

tidal flame
true fable
#

congrats on mod onyx!

honest kernel
#

First run of the day and I get a chaos fish

#

On first room chaos gate

hollow lynx
true fable
#

is it a congrats sort of thing? thanthink

#

purple name 👀

daring hedge
#

moderating god synergies worldwide

honest kernel
#

Ok why didn't I swap my cast and special button sooner

#

This feels SO much better on Zeus Shield

true fable
#

wait what are they now

rain sedge
#

oh no we have to stay on topic now 😦

honest kernel
#

Left click attack Right click special Q cast

true fable
#

interesting

#

no mouse buttons for you?

rain sedge
honest kernel
#

I technically have a few

true fable
#

you also play on a machine with like 5 buttons total

rain sedge
#

hades serrated point has different mapping than other hammers

honest kernel
#

But they do different things, mostly related to cursor speed

rain sedge
sly remnant
#

wait do all the shield mains in this chat play keyboard mouse?

rain sedge
#

I really want to KBM aim with eris

true fable
#

indeed

#

i think kbm is actually quite good for shield if im honest

sly remnant
#

interesting

#

i agree

true fable
#

being able to direct your bull rush is gigantic

honest kernel
#

^

#

Being able to last-second use the bullrush for positionning instead of attacking is great

true fable
#

yeee

#

the zippy 180

sly remnant
#

yep

#

i can make great blocks

#

aim assist turned off yea?

true fable
#

hmm

#

i usually just have it on

#

i think baj has it off

sly remnant
#

its nice

honest kernel
#

Aim assist off

#

I tried turning it on for a second

#

Already hated it

sly remnant
#

you don't realize how many blocks you miss due to the stickiness of autoaim

true fable
#

interesting

#

might have to give it a go

#

im doing some chaos shield speedruns right now lmao 💀

hollow lynx
honest kernel
#

'tis my current setup

true fable
#

tis mine

#

that cursed reload button

sly remnant
#

mine's exact same as baj except i have cast on RMB

#

for obvious reasons

honest kernel
#

R E L O A D

#

On Beo Cast is basically Reload

rough cypress
#

trying out zeus shield for the first time 🤔

sly remnant
#

and being able to load the cast while bullrushing is huge

rough cypress
#

going to watch Baj's 57 heat run to understand the playstyle

#

😛

sly remnant
#

you'll learn a ton

#

i thought zeus shield was a boring weapon

#

i was very very wrong

honest kernel
#

Turns out a yo-yo is VERY versatile

sly remnant
#

its actually so big brain

tidal flame
#

my Zag Bow set up

honest kernel
#

Oh hello Artemis into Zeus into both of them in a Trial

#

With a 50 hp Erebus Gate

tidal flame
#

Lightning Rod time

#

dew it

honest kernel
#

lmao

sly remnant
#

i'm really glad baj has been running seeded lately

daring hedge
#

big heart gates at high heat RI2 slap so hard

#

thick skin reacquired

honest kernel
#

^

#

Oh snap

#

Chaos, Hammer or Bouldy

sly remnant
#

whats your gold at

honest kernel
#

189

#

CF 2

#

But I have 4 boons already

sly remnant
#

Pog

#

uh

#

maybe chaos then

tidal flame
#

bouldy?

honest kernel
#

Oh yeah that's my second chaos lol

#

First one gave me bonus backstab damage

#

... Which was better than the other stuff

#

I'm actually so torn

#

I have 2 rolls

#

I'll try Chaos

#

ATHENA IN SHOP

#

THIS SEED

mossy zinc
true fable
#

😠

#

baj also using gameshark

#

btw

daring hedge
true fable
#

baj just fyi gamesharking is frowned upon in this community

daring hedge
#

yeah use an action replay instead

mossy zinc
#

No gameshark, only skill.

#

Git gud.

daring hedge
#

rng skill

honest kernel
#

Wait I thought Dolphin was the best for that kind of stuff

daring hedge
#

simply make charged skewer show up as a hammer option, GY gamers

#

it's that easy

true fable
#

you literally just pick the good hammers

#

look at retrash

#

80% charged skewer rate

#

that's the sign of a great rng manipulator

daring hedge
#

hacking the game with my mind

honest kernel
mossy zinc
#

You didn't die despite not getting obols.

#

What a champ.

true fable
#

LMAO

honest kernel
#

... You know what I meant

#

The Chaos Gate health penalty

gaunt fiber
#

Lol

daring hedge
#

chaos said no choins

gaunt fiber
#

Not again

daring hedge
#

lmao

honest kernel
#

Chaos said no Choins from Charon, you Cheapo

#

Either way, Jolted out, Equipping Skull Earing

#

Don't have Jolted anymore

#

Hunter's Mark is there too

#

AND THAN SHOWS UP

#

...

daring hedge
#

you're gonna have to start over because your EM4 build will be unrealistically stacked lmao

honest kernel
#

^

#

Should have ran AP1 at 'least

#

Also Minotaur Rush with Artemis Attack

mossy zinc
#

Game is punishing you for doing 48 instead of 58.

honest kernel
#

Not liking Empowering Flight as much as of late

#

Ferocious is whatever

daring hedge
#

and you know as soon as AP2 gets flipped on a natural poseidon shows up to offer tempest strike

mossy zinc
#

Yes.

#

No.

honest kernel
#

Hmm Hmm

mossy zinc
#

Tempest Flourish.

true fable
#

ferocious can be good

honest kernel
#

Yeah

true fable
#

not sure about zeus shield

honest kernel
#

It works on the first time the special hits

true fable
#

mino rush is probably the superior option with that attack boon

honest kernel
#

Then you gotta recall and throw it to get the buff again

true fable
#

that's empowering right?

daring hedge
#

yeah, empowering not as broken as you might initially think with zeus

honest kernel
#

Yeah

#

About to deal 700+ in crits

#

With rushes

#

779 in a crit

#

NICE

#

... My Skull Earing wasn't even active

#

Yeah this build's too good

#

What is this nonsense

daring hedge
#

with no JS3 it kinda makes sense to me

#

especially considering the boons

honest kernel
#

Why did I take TD2 again

#

Also switching to Accorn

sly remnant
#

you don't think tooth for elysium?

honest kernel
#

Nah

#

More scared of the Heroes themselves than a bad BP room

daring hedge
#

i find that most dangerous elysium BP rooms are partly that way because of JS exacerbating it e.g. a million seeker strongbows

sly remnant
#

thats a good point tail

honest kernel
#

Minotaur Rush + Charged Shot means I can do the 1500+ crits

#

Pulverizing blow is D A M A G E

#

Explosive Return is also D A M A G E

daring hedge
#

multi hit stuff like pulverizing, twin and triple shot etc., i find extremely hard to resist with deadly strike lol

honest kernel
#

Thing is

#

I'm not sure I want to do it

#

Because it also means extra hit-lag

#

I have damage already

#

Explosive Return is the safe bet

daring hedge
#

that might be good actually

dire steppe
#

minotaur rush + charged shot huh

true fable
#

pulverizing then?

#

oo