h1-high-heat-strategies

[true fable]

the point i was trying to make is that is what makes hades appealing to me

yes it's cool that i can construct a build that nukes the final boss and doesnt let him play the game

[sly remnant]

at 50+ that gets immensely harder tho. which is the problem

[true fable]

but starting out with no knowledge of builds and realizing what things i have are good against what things i'm going up against was and still is one of the most interesting things about this game

[sly remnant]

the pact rewards long painful slogs more than it does efficient glass cannon

its just does

[mossy zinc]

It's not a "problem" to me that that gets immensely harder at 50+. It's appealing.

[sly remnant]

and i would like to see that change a bit

because its important to understand the aspects in BOTH situations. and currently we are almost exclusively exploring one

[true fable]

so what makes dio cast beowulf more unique in your estimation than blade dash gilgamesh

[sly remnant]

its not

[true fable]

the fact that it's planned?

but you're arguing that 50+ heat is homogenized

[sly remnant]

no the fact that blade dash gilgamesh is the same long drawn out safe build

that everyone is running right now

*almost everyone

[true fable]

in what way lol

is it the same as shackle hestia with hunter dash

or zeus shield with dem special

[mossy zinc]

Nobody uses Blade Dash in speedruns and there are like two 40+ Blade Dash runs.

[sly remnant]

hestia is probably the only real outlier

i'll give you hestia

but most 50+ clears right now are aspect agnostic good stuff.

this boon is fine as a standalone and doesn't hurt me

[true fable]

should we go down the list

[sly remnant]

look i'm not going to convince you

[true fable]

blade dash gilga only works because of gilga's extra dashes

well they dont seem homogenized to me

[sly remnant]

but theres a reason most people are doing AP2 TD2 on everything

[true fable]

im wondering how theyre the same

[sly remnant]

and its not because the pact rewards efficient glass cannon

[mossy zinc]

You keep saying "most people" when there aren't even 10 people.

[static plover]

I'm still wondering what makes a build unique to you Tyler

[sly remnant]

i'm saying the playstyle is different. i want something that isn't "my damage is mediocre but i play safe by damaging while dashing away or standing far away and shooting/throwing somehting"

i want different playstyles

[true fable]

well you cant just zerg into things and expect them to blow up, it's 50+ heat

[sly remnant]

no i know that

[true fable]

that's an anyheat strat

[sly remnant]

i don't want any heat

[mossy zinc]

Well, those TD3 50+ clears don't have mediocre damage.

[sly remnant]

good point nyaa

i agree with you

TD3 50 isn't the meta

[true fable]

theres 10 clears there is no meta

[mossy zinc]

There is no meta at 50.

7 people does not make a meta.

[sly remnant]

you literally spent almost all of saturday telling me to take AP2 since it would add consistency

that is a meta

even if its only 7 people

[true fable]

im not understanding what the issue is

with AP2 TD2 setups

[sly remnant]

i'm fine with them existing

they shouldn't be one size fits all

and right now we are

[mossy zinc]

That's theory. m very sure it wasn't close to half the day lol.

[true fable]

as far as i can tell it's mostly a retrash thing

unless there's more clears im not aware of

most others are running TD3

[sly remnant]

ok i was exaggerating but its still a meta.

bablo earlier today came in aand said the meta was TD2 AP2 RI 1 or 2

and he's right

its the current meta

because the game gives you more heat for survival than anything else

[true fable]

wait wait wait

which clears are using it

you cant just cite bablo and say that's the meta

there's retrash and then

?

also as an aside looks like resqtoaster's maxed hell mode save is up for grabs on srcom

[sly remnant]

retrash has established a large part of the meta since he is doing it with the most aspects

you yourself even went to TD2 for your 45

[true fable]

this is literally moving the goalposts as we go

[sly remnant]

no its not

[true fable]

you said it's meta

i said it's not, since a vast majority of clears at 50+ are using TD3

i asked you where all these AP2 TD2 clears were

and you pointed to my 45 clear, which isn't even relevant to this discussion

[sly remnant]

its how we are pushing aspect diversity

aspect diversity is driven almsot entirely by the TD2 AP2 engine

[mossy zinc]

This kinda reminds me of some arguments when there were literally five people who had done 40+ at all.

[sly remnant]

fine

[edgy arrow]

yeah is there really a meta for 50+ at this point

[sly remnant]

i'll get my 50 clear

and then we can talk

[mossy zinc]

Aspect diversity is driven by like two players who care for that.

[edgy arrow]

like, there are few enough clears that it’s hard to draw many conclusions from the data

[true fable]

you getting 50 would also have nothing to do with this current discussion

[edgy arrow]

it’s mostly just educated speculation at best

[mossy zinc]

You can call it a meta, but it's volatile and skewed. One player changing their approach drastically changes the meta by itself.

[true fable]

if you get 50 for yourself go do it

[cedar thistle]

Lol. I just read through the entire convo but have no idea what the argument is.

[mossy zinc]

Same tbh.

[true fable]

LOL

i just want to know what a unique build is tbh

[static plover]

Same

[mossy zinc]

It would have a big effect on the meta.

So there's that.

[static plover]

Asked multiple times, got ignored oh well

[true fable]

your deadpan is lost on me right now

i am far too tired

[static plover]

Same tbh

Guess we'll never know what a unique build is to Tyler

[true fable]

i could have done an entire 3 weaps run in this time

goodbye

[edgy arrow]

unique build: merciful end with no doom or deflect

[mossy zinc]

That's just boonless with a lucky charm.

[true fable]

lol

[static plover]

Lol

Those lucky charms net you the best hammers ofc ;)

[true fable]

nyaanyaa can you get around to doing RI4 50 heat to shift the meta

[sly remnant]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021448426749993/785441457636376606

[mossy zinc]

I actually did one attempt. Didn't go well lol.

[edgy arrow]

try turning up the heat to 63

might help

[waxen relic]

I think i could agree on the meta being git gud and use gud stuff

[mossy zinc]

That's almost worthy of a pin for the next time somebody asks for the meta at high heat.

[true fable]

turns out zag sword and gilga are gud stuff

[mossy zinc]

Didn't Blade Dash make both work? lol

[true fable]

one pretty cool thing is that there dont seem to be very many copycats

most people seem to do their own thing

not that it's wrong to copycat stuff

[edgy arrow]

yeah that’s why i’m saying there’s no real meta

[true fable]

just cool to see each person push heat with a weapon they like

[mossy zinc]

For me personally, at 50+ I don't even consider aspects that don't work with RI3+.

[true fable]

i can never tell if you're being serious

but that's worth consideration

[mossy zinc]

m serious.

[true fable]

ive realized how little heat there is to go around above 50

theres only so many pacts

[mossy zinc]

I dropped Beowulf because it's garbage with RI3.

[cedar thistle]

thrown in the trash where all the stygian blades are

[edgy arrow]

the answer to RI3 beo is just charged flight, surely

[true fable]

apparently

[edgy arrow]

or bladed dash lol

[mossy zinc]

Charged Flight is nowhere near as good as it used to be. I ran the same seed when 1.0 hit that I did before to grind 56, and it was terrible.

[edgy arrow]

definitely true

i didn’t say it was necessarily a good answer, but it’s the only answer there is

[mossy zinc]

Imo too many people trying to place on the leaderboard are trying to make their favorite aspect work instead of picking what they think is top tier. Like, if you think Eris is the best weapon in the game, take that and put something on the board. That's what Schad did.

Imo Rama is so good that I wouldn't even play it below like 45.

[true fable]

i mean that's fair

[edgy arrow]

but playing beo is fun tho

[true fable]

that's just not what i want to do

^

[waxen relic]

btw anyone know how the timer for Hermes' Keepsake works?

[true fable]

agreed with ohokwy

but i also am not complaining about not being recognized as a high heat powerhouse lol

still might do eris soon though

[mossy zinc]

Yeah I mean if you play just to have fun with an aspect that's cool, too. I approach max heat generally and max heat aspect-specific very differently.

[edgy arrow]

i’m definitely not a real high heat player regardless tho

[true fable]

44 eris felt pretty chill

yeah that's fair

i am to some extent interested in it

that's why i want to learn rama

but theres just a lot i want to do atm

bablo's pesky beowulf igt record is dangling in front of me

[mossy zinc]

If you want to beat Tailesque or Baj, you gotta put your best foot forward.

The problem with Rama is you gotta beat Tailesque with his own aspect lol.

That's a lot of catching up you gotta do.

I didn't even consider Chaos Aspect for pushing past my Beowulf clear in Early Access because haelian was the best Chaos Aspect player 100%, and there was no way I could beat him with his own aspect.

[true fable]

chaos is fun atm

49 felt ok this morning and then i played terribly when i got home and tried it again

just cant figure out a way to make it work with TD3

didnt picture haelian as a chaos player

[mossy zinc]

That said, m getting more serious about high heat again. That's why I play Rama.

[true fable]

though i guess that would be starburst chaos right

[daring hedge]

i've unfortunately had someone basically say my 56 "shouldn't count" because of the pauses

when it was basically to prevent a heart attack

[true fable]

thats pretty awful

internet people suck

[mossy zinc]

Haelian was like the Chaos Aspect player in Early Access. m very sure a lot of the love for the aspect (practically half the 32 Heat clears by people were with Chaos Aspect) came from him being a popular streamer and being very very good at it.

[gaunt fiber]

Well they're right

Sometimes I do pause to let my sister play

she's better at GY than me

[true fable]

well

[mossy zinc]

Who isn't?

[gaunt fiber]

Bright

[true fable]

astaos i didnt have the heart to finish the job

MB

[gaunt fiber]

Do not look down on my sister tho

[true fable]

oh im not

im sure shes a great GY player

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks

[mossy zinc]

I should grind EM4 with Guan Yu and one-shot his pact just to troll him.

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

But mirrorless.

[gaunt fiber]

good luck

EM4 TD3 is already something

[true fable]

dang haelian also already has a 50 heat with chaos shield

hmm

[mossy zinc]

Of course he does.

I'd be disappointed if he didn't.

[mossy zinc]

There's no such thing. Success depends on a well-thought-out plan that's executed with precision.

[gaunt fiber]

yy

I'll tell dad

[daring hedge]

you have to know how to get 2sack

[true fable]

tailesque you mean you dont know how to pick the tunnel with the sack

[daring hedge]

manipulate AP2 to work for you

of course i do, i just give myself 5sack sometimes just for the uh, challenge

[true fable]

i for one have never failed to pick the fountain door

just walk through it

lol

[mossy zinc]

2-sack is so last patch. I do 1-sack. Why do you think I "fail" to record my runs. I don't want y'all to see my secret strats.

If I do 3-sack and win, that was on purpose.

Just saying.

[daring hedge]

2sack is simply too easy

have to level the playing field

[mossy zinc]

Gotta explore more tunnels.

[daring hedge]

heard zag's line echo in my head from that lmao

[mossy zinc]

That was the intention lol.

See?

[daring hedge]

"choin for charon"

[mossy zinc]

A well-thought-out plan that was executed with precision, and it worked.

[true fable]

ew

[gaunt fiber]

"Again?!"

[true fable]

i hate that that worked tailesque

choin is cursed

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-lmao-gif-9271317

[daring hedge]

"chould use the extra choin..."

[true fable]

gross

[edgy arrow]

no

i chan’t allow this

[daring hedge]

sounds like you haven't chaught many chlams or charps today huh

[true fable]

"chatch up with you later then"

[mossy zinc]

coin > poms.

[true fable]

forget it im stealing hael's pact lol

goodbye TD2 youve served me well

new meta

[daring hedge]

what did haelian do with the pact

[true fable]

TD3 RI1

JS1

i might try JS2 just to see how it feels

[daring hedge]

wait why RI1 and not 2 for the extra 2 heat

it's two centaur hearts away from basically being the same

[true fable]

that's a good question

deep pockets probably

it's all the funding from those twitch primes

[daring hedge]

chan't bear to let go of all that choin

[true fable]

is this gonna be a thing

[daring hedge]

no sorry i'll stop

[true fable]

thank you

hmm

okay RI2 and then

profit i guess

hmmmmmmm

thats not a bad idea

ok i will try that pact again soon

new computer in 2 days

i might be underestimating how bad JS is

[mossy zinc]

Did you get a guy who thinks you're cute to buy it for you, or did you buy your new PC yourself?

[true fable]

man

what a life that would be

[mossy zinc]

It's very nice.

[true fable]

i sometimes forget dusa reacts here arent the same as dusa reacts in the speed disc

and just use them interchangeably

[daring hedge]

i feel like both the dusa and bouldy emotes can mean so many things

they're so powerful

[proud jay]

what are you trying to say 🔫

[mossy zinc]

is both "all the emotions" and "empty inside".

[rough cypress]

Hey experts of Hades, as someone that is still grinding the heat (~10) but hope to get to your level one day, what do you think are mirror setups or pacts that I should run with to get in the habit? I'm doing EM3, TD2, selling the boon in each biome one.

[mossy zinc]

We need mirrored Dusa and gun emoji for gunfights.

[gaunt fiber]

FO2 my friend

[true fable]

im so used to just reacting whenever someone posts a PB

[mossy zinc]

FO2 100%.

[true fable]

that i just do it in victory boasting too

[gaunt fiber]

speedy bois best practice

[daring hedge]

FO2, BP, MM are some that you'll definitely need to get used to

[rough cypress]

cool, I'll run those and see how it goes 🙂

[true fable]

and then the various EM1-3

[mossy zinc]

TD3.

[true fable]

which you're already doing

[gaunt fiber]

nice one

[true fable]

tbh i wish i started running HS a lot earlier but it can be a lot

[mossy zinc]

If you want to do 40+ eventually, TD3 should become free for you at least up to like 32 Heat.

[daring hedge]

every time a high heat runner dies to 150 damage pots, amir grows stronger

[mossy zinc]

TD3 will force you to optimize your rotation and builds.

[true fable]

im picturing amir healing like EM4 hades each time someone's run ends

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

Yesterday an urn killed me, frame perfect

[rough cypress]

yeah TD3 is scary but I'm going to need it

[gaunt fiber]

it was a work of beauty

[rough cypress]

oh wait, I am on TD3, it's TD4 that is scary

[true fable]

TD4???

[daring hedge]

wow you're the first to unlock TD4

[true fable]

terrifying thought

[daring hedge]

congrats

[true fable]

TD5 is an instant respawn

[gaunt fiber]

3min for the whole run

[true fable]

timer starts ticking when you leave the house

[rough cypress]

ah no, it was the heat amount

my bad

hahaha

[mossy zinc]

I like how excited Amir gets when he watches a run. He just wants everybody to succeed.

He's like everybody's red shade.

[true fable]

if that were true he wouldnt have made AP

apparently each time he gets an AP clip he just replies "lol"

[rough cypress]

approval process might be good too? or is that going into the reset runs realm

[daring hedge]

yeah how do you explain his AP control panel where he pushes buttons and flips levers to deny you a duo

[mossy zinc]

Does he?

[true fable]

apparently

[mossy zinc]

It's definitely what I do when people post "bad" AP2 screenshots.

[daring hedge]

"this is good television" is a standout amir react

[true fable]

i know the code doesnt agree with me

[edgy arrow]

to be fair, it is good television

[daring hedge]

it's true

[true fable]

but i still think AP2 homes in on green boons

[mossy zinc]

I just think it's hilarious when it crosses out a Duo and a Legendary and exchanges your Divine Dash with Drunken Dash.

[true fable]

i know that's not verified in the code

but it feels like it

[mossy zinc]

The code is more like guidelines.

[true fable]

or specifically it's contradicted by the code

according to the code AP is completely random

but uh

i doubt

[daring hedge]

most tend to avoid AP (for good reason) until anywhere above 32. it's generally a pain. AP1 is rough sometimes but somewhat manageable, while AP2 is just going to give you garbage a lot of the time

which can be somewhat offset by leaving RI at 0

[true fable]

it's interesting because when i first started climbing heat RI and AP didn't feel like they did anything

i'm now realizing that's because i knew nothing about builds/synergy

[edgy arrow]

how did you think AP did nothing lol

[true fable]

and most of my builds were terrible

[true fable]

well it just crosses out one of three options

just take one of the other two

[rough cypress]

well here goes my first attempt,
EM3
BP2
MM
UC
FO2
AP2
TD3

see you in a minute lol

[gaunt fiber]

AP2

no

don't

[true fable]

AP2?

see you in a minute i guess LMAO

[gaunt fiber]

Oh

you should get used to LC4 SD

too

[true fable]

i think there are bigger fish to fry with that pact

[misty hamlet]

Don’t listen to Astaos

Stick with DD

[gaunt fiber]

oof

[misty hamlet]

...except for zag sword

[true fable]

wobbles you know you're the only DDer now

[rough cypress]

brb!

[true fable]

interpretive twerking converted to SDs

[daring hedge]

no wait don't do AP2 please

[true fable]

lol

[proud jay]

i used DDs yesterday...accidentally

[true fable]

i thought you used them for GY too

[misty hamlet]

I got my 50 zag spear with DDs 🙂

[proud jay]

also fine for GY

[true fable]

are you still running CF0 on 50 heat wobbles?

[proud jay]

the good thing about DDs is they heal you to 50% instead of 30%

[true fable]

or just crying while paying absurd markup on DDs

[misty hamlet]

No 😦

[true fable]

sadness

[misty hamlet]

I just try not to die

[true fable]

dont we all

a paragon

[misty hamlet]

Some days less than others

[daring hedge]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[gaunt fiber]

strategy

[daring hedge]

hypnos would be proud

[true fable]

can we pin that

or alternatively delete every other message

[proud jay]

afk EM4 about to go down btw

attempt at least

[true fable]

bet

i was boutta sleep too bablo

i wonder how that person's AP2 run is going

[gaunt fiber]

"I'm bad at this fight, might as well be afk"

[rough cypress]

back, made it to fury

lol

[gaunt fiber]

well

you took your time

Now the most important thing

try again

[rough cypress]

i also went with hestia/shackle and my first boon was an attack 🤦‍♂️

[true fable]

you dont have to learn AP2 lol

[rough cypress]

i liked the intensity though

[true fable]

ok

if you enjoy it

[honest kernel]

rng masochism

[rough cypress]

yeah, maybe I should use artemis and hope for crit and then switch to shackles?

[true fable]

the shackle isnt better than boons

[gaunt fiber]

why switch

[rough cypress]

idk I thought it was OP for the empowered shot

[true fable]

if you're not running a setup that cuts the number of boons you get then you dont need shackle

[waxen relic]

Can easily get up Aphro-Attack to 100%

[rough cypress]

I'll give that a shot 🙂 also meg's companion or achilles? From the vids I've watched it seems like just preference

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike, Deadly Strike, or Divine Dash are the start to go for with Hestia.

[mossy zinc]

Pretty much what you said.

[true fable]

i mean on that heat you could also get away with tidal dash start tbh

[mossy zinc]

I think Meg is a bit more popular.

[rough cypress]

alright, well attempt #2 here we go

see you in <5

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, true. At 40+, Tidal Dash also works. But Lady Athena in your pool has so much more value.

[true fable]

that's true

owl pendant start seems nice for many weapons tbh

[mossy zinc]

Poseidon can give you Ocean's Bounty, though, which is like a free Membership Card.

[waxen relic]

Reminds me of those Chaos for more Obols strat one guy was using

[true fable]

if you get ocean's bounty start you can get an early huge catch

[rough cypress]

ahhh ran out of time just phased theseus lol

[rain sedge]

did you all trolled kfish to take AP2

meanies

[rough cypress]

i made it to styx

5 min on the timer

i guess its 2 sac or nothing

[rain sedge]

high heat hades in a nutshell

[mossy zinc]

We said the opposite lol.

[rough cypress]

i ran out of time against hades, he had like 5% hp left...

[mossy zinc]

Nice. Pretty close. You can do it!

[gaunt fiber]

Be careful he has a second phase

Mine is bugged he has 3

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber are you sure? Have you seen the third?

[gaunt fiber]

I do see it pretty often

[edgy arrow]

mine is bugged; the last boss is meg

[gaunt fiber]

I'm getting better at it

[edgy arrow]

or at least, i’ve no proof the game continues past her

[mossy zinc]

Who is Meg? Is that the Wretched Sneak's real name?

[static plover]

The true final boss is the one boulder to roll them all

[rain sedge]

imagine voluntarily taking AP2

[mossy zinc]

True. Can never get past Bouldy without giving him .

[rain sedge]

hard disagree, it's pretty useless

but we have had this chat before I think

[gaunt fiber]

I always get the bonus gold boon

[mossy zinc]

This is Bouldy abuse. Mods.

[gaunt fiber]

Instant value

[mossy zinc]

Hulp.

@static plover do something.

Ty.

[rain sedge]

nya calling for abuse

[gaunt fiber]

She does not usually

[mossy zinc]

I bet Schad doesn't even say hi to red shade or pet Cerberus.

True evil.

[rain sedge]

true on both counts

[mossy zinc]

...

[rain sedge]

I wish we can pet cerberus at styx though

it'll be cute

but at home? nah aint nobody got time for that

[mossy zinc]

You would never do it.

m not falling for that. You've shown your true colors.

[rain sedge]

saying hi to red shade is 3s time loss, which is basically taunting the 5 sac god

cerberus has enough pets from hades and persephone

I think nyx also secretly pets him

he gets enough

[gaunt fiber]

You don't lose time

[mossy zinc]

It's not. The timer stops after the fight.

[rain sedge]

oh no my excuse is exposed

[mossy zinc]

Switch Hades players are evidently evil going by the meta of 1 Switch player that I know.

And casuals.

[honest kernel]

bout to die again https://imgur.com/a/DDpLL0a

dead

[mossy zinc]

Good job.

See? I can be nice.

[honest kernel]

i'm getting there

maybe if i stopped taking hits from asterius

[gaunt fiber]

One person is missing and your world is a desert. You're that person for Cerberus. You monster @rain sedge

[rain sedge]

stop villainising me I'm more of a cat person anyway

[mossy zinc]

Can't even see the screenshot yet because I have like no reception on the subway.

[rain sedge]

alright I'm actually back at work this week, see ya nerds

gotta work to earn that bread

[mossy zinc]

You should be super nice to me then. m a cat girl.

[gaunt fiber]

You misunterstand

Toon Link is a cat

Hence the emote

[mossy zinc]

[gaunt fiber]

You ok?

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber do you mind weirdchamp emoting this post for me pls?

you said I could call you when I need it

[gaunt fiber]

I don't my friend

[rain sedge]

Thanks, this was helpful

[gaunt fiber]

Anytime

[mossy zinc]

This is abuse.

[solemn pulsar]

i achieved 40 heat clears with all weapons this weekend! Was feeling good, thought I'd try a couple 50 heat runs.

jesus you 50+ people are masochists that is truly terrible

[mossy zinc]

lol

Do you have videos to submit your runs to the leaderboard?

[solemn pulsar]

:3 no I always forget to turn on obs to record

I really like the challenge level of 40 heat though, so I think i'll start

[mossy zinc]

That's cool. 40+ is a lot of fun.

You should try some RI4 runs too sometime.

[solemn pulsar]

idk I inherently like the idea of increasing difficulty, but not so much on removing options/abilities

[mossy zinc]

You can think of it as sharpening your fundamentals. Training.

Practicing with one dash and no DDs will make things a lot easier when you get to use a second dash and SD.

[solemn pulsar]

this is true. I guess the best thing to get used to is having a bad build, all my 40 clears were with good builds for the most part, and AP/RI 1 impedes getting good builds

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, AP2 RI1 can really help you learn to make the most of what you get.

[solemn pulsar]

but i don't want to

[rain sedge]

where does the squirt emoji come from anyway?

I can't remember if it's in one of SGG games

[mossy zinc]

Bastion.

[sly quest]

They are the small windbags

[rain sedge]

ah I forgot about that, it was their first game and it's so long ago

[honest kernel]

Is there any current record for full clear on first attempt hell mode?

[mossy zinc]

It's not a category for high heat nor the speedrun leaderboards. m not aware of any records.

[rain sedge]

@true fable probably knows

[honest kernel]

Well if there aren't any I'll record my next attempt, managed to do it 4 times

Basically been a personal challenge I've done each major patch, normally taken me 50 ish runs to succeed before managing, took me 70 runs this time

[mossy zinc]

The record being your time to complete first run Hell mode? I'd talk to @proud jay and @prime cairn, maybe they'll be interested in adding it as a category when there's more interest.

[formal gust]

probably going to do achilles hunting blades 40 heat soon lol

[mossy zinc]

Just putting video of an interesting challenge out there is always the best way to get more peole into that and maybe make it a category.

[honest kernel]

Well that's why I'm asking since I rather check if it's a thing already but didn't find anything of it. I'll share next time I manage a successful run

[mossy zinc]

Maybe they'll be interested in adding it as a category for the speedrun leaderboards, I mean. There's a fresh file category already, but it's only for normal mode. It's not a very popular category.

https://www.speedrun.com/hades#Fresh_File

[honest kernel]

Yeah this is more fun to me compared to fresh file since it actually has a challenge

Hopefully wont take me too long to manage another successful run

[formal gust]

I suck at fresh file

[mossy zinc]

That's why you're only somewhat speedy.

[honest kernel]

Also freshruns are a bit boring since it's basically meta to rush act 2 for darkness and keys for shield

Killing hades with 0 upgrades sword is a pure adrenaline rush

[mossy zinc]

The current fresh file WR is first run, though.

[honest kernel]

Ah

[mossy zinc]

Might help you with strats for your own since you get the same god pool. https://youtu.be/i4jALqPVgHQ

[formal gust]

yeah well check the all weapons leaderboard from 1.0

second

[honest kernel]

Sweet I'll look at it tonight

[formal gust]

but not actually

because there are faster unverified times

[mossy zinc]

That's so last patch.

[formal gust]

in a race I got 54:38

current patch

[honest kernel]

Outdated outsmarted outpaced

[formal gust]

[mossy zinc]

Wasn't first, either.

There's only one winner, and it wasn't you.

[formal gust]

yes it was first

2 people DC'd lol

[honest kernel]

Alright no one steal my first submission into this future category

[mossy zinc]

I mean your 1.0 all weapons lol.

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge, you got a job to do. Do a barrel roll.

[honest kernel]

Nooo

Don't make the goat yoink

[mossy zinc]

Sorry, not sorry.

[honest kernel]

Would just be cool to see it be a thing :P

Also stupid me failing to record after I said I would back in march

[mossy zinc]

That's how I feel when I try a new challenge. Then Tailesque beats my record by 13 heat first try and m like alright you own this category now, m just gonna do something else.

[formal gust]

bablo moment

but with time

[mossy zinc]

I had fun with 45 mirrorless with Rama, post about it, and 30 minutes later he posts a victory screen at 46.

[honest kernel]

Ah so you're just sharing the suffering

Hihi

[mossy zinc]

Very punny.

[misty hamlet]

Comparing yourself to others is a sure way to make yourself feel bad

That’s why I ignore everything you all write

[ripe crane]

Wobbles is a cool guy and I'm glad he's part of our community

[solemn pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/smash-bros-mochi-gif-17995046

sidebar, @misty hamlet are you wobbles of ice climbers wobbling fame?

[rain sedge]

imagine clearing 45 heat all aspects and not flexing it

I would put it on my name if I do that

[misty hamlet]

🤷‍♂️

[rain sedge]

Schad | 45 heat all aspect, slayer of plebs, better than nyanya at this game

[misty hamlet]

@solemn pulsar yes that’s me

[rain sedge]

"ice clibers wobbling fame"?

[solemn pulsar]

gif is relevant

[misty hamlet]

Smash brothers stuff

[mossy zinc]

Last one for 32+ is done. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/785547545723273216/Hades_1231.png?width=787&height=443

[rain sedge]

Tidal dash weirdchamp

I thought only Eris does that

And grats nya

[solemn pulsar]

ah zag sword, my most forgotten aspect

[rain sedge]

zag sword is officially best sword I believe

highest heat, courtesy of retrash

[sly remnant]

didn't a korean player put up a better 50 heat time with nemesis

[rain sedge]

that zag sword is 54 tho

[sly remnant]

ye

but speed and number are 2 different metrics

as far as we know zag sword is the best at raw difficulty and nemesis is the best at high heat speed

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa*, and thank you.

[mossy zinc]

I was concerned about DPS, so I just picked it when I saw it lol.

[rain sedge]

that's pretty brave, no athena dash on zag sword

[formal gust]

high heat hard

I don't like thinking

[mossy zinc]

I dunno, it was 32 with FO0, so I wasn't worried.

I had Weak, too.

[formal gust]

I wonder if meme beam or hunting blades is better for achilles 40

[mossy zinc]

I dunno. Just do both, and share your results.

[rain sedge]

imagine liking meme beam

[hollow lynx]

who doesn't like memes

[formal gust]

I am not a huge fan of either so far, but will probably go with slicing shot

early game sucks with both of them

[mossy zinc]

Cold Embrace with Unhealthy Fixation and Heartbreak Flourish on Zeus Aspect was a lot of fun.

I had my own army fighting for me.

[misty hamlet]

I had a few crystal runs in my batch of 40-45 heat runs

It’s just annoying how many boons are required before you stop saying “cast? What cast?”

especially with any AP 😦

[formal gust]

cast builds seem like they fall off at high heat lol

most of them really struggle with damage control

[cedar thistle]

casting animation is kinda slow too

[formal gust]

well unless you are using a certain shield and bow

[mossy zinc]

They get wrecked by RI3 eventually either way.

[formal gust]

bold of you to assume I will ever use RI ever

[mossy zinc]

Until then you can at least RNG into something good.

[misty hamlet]

You get one little blood crystal 🙂 enjoy your game mechanic

[formal gust]

like beo 45 wasn't that bad but any more and the difficulty would increase dramatically

[wary carbon]

question: lets say I get to Hades on heat 2, but can't beat him and want to farm blood/diamonds on a higher heat from Tartarus and Asphodel, will it lock me out of ever going back down to a lower heat and getting the bounties for that?

[shy plinth]

The game gives you rewards based on your lowest uncleared heat

If you've cleared heat 1, doesn't matter if you set it to heat 2 or heat 20, your bounties will be for heat 2

And if you get halfway through a run and die to a boss, no matter what heat you set it to you'll get darkness for the first couple bosses

[wary carbon]

oh, so if I crank it up to heat 10 and by some miracle escape, then those rewards will be "for heat 2"?

[shy plinth]

Correct

[wary carbon]

ok cool. I've been stuck for a bit and was afraid to go higher to farm blood

[main delta]

yea unfortunately you can’t speed up the process by upping the heat

[mossy zinc]

They should answer that in #hades-faq because that's definitely among the most frequently asked questions in Hades.

[shy plinth]

You won't be able to farm blood if you go higher really

If you kill meg and die to lernie and do another run you will get darkness from meg

[wary carbon]

@mossy zinc yeah haha I scoured the server and couldn't find an authoritative answer

[shy plinth]

Best way to farm bloods is just go one tick at a time

[main delta]

also if u wanna farm darkness go to a heat level that you’ve already cleared, it took me wayyy too long to figure this out

[wary carbon]

I'm sitting on like 3k darkness with everything but the last two talent rows maxed, I just need more blood for wep upgrades

[mossy zinc]

I had a WR in high heat before I had my mirror maxed, anyway, so farming Darkness isn't really all that important if you're doing fine clearing runs.

[lusty mirage]

can try godmode for blood farming

[shy plinth]

Yeah I'd target prophecies and go one heat at a time to level up weapons

[main delta]

there are some fated list things that are some quick blood too

[wary carbon]

@shy plinth so if I jump from heat 1 -> 5, I can't just destroy the furies 4 times in a row for 4 blood?

[shy plinth]

Correct

[mossy zinc]

Wouldn't recommend god mode if you want to do high heat eventually.

[wary carbon]

oh that's lame....so it does kinda lock you out of certain rewards

[rancid stirrup]

4 times in a row after you beat the final boss on each

the first few heats really doesn't affect that much

[shy plinth]

Whatever the lowest heat level has a question mark for hades will dictate what you get

[wary carbon]

gotcha

[shy plinth]

There are a few pact conditions that really don't hurt too bad, things like tight deadline 1 or convenience fee 1

[wary carbon]

yeah I only started playing last wednesday, so I haven't even cleared with all 6 weps yet, but really enjoying the variety of potential builds

[shy plinth]

Oh just take your time

[mossy zinc]

If you just think of it as practice and learning rather than "I have to clear this run", you'll make progress very quickly.

[main delta]

ye

[mossy zinc]

You'll be more consistent in the longterm by focusing on learning mechanics and stuff.

[main delta]

also maybe dont upgrade hera bow, i dont think its really necessary to put titans blood into it if you use a dio cast build

that can save u some blood

[misty hamlet]

You’d be surprised how much better you get from just a few minutes of “let me test and practice this thing real quick”

[wary carbon]

yeah I've watched some 45+ runs and I have no delusions that I'll ever be doing that 😂 but I just wanted enough resources to play around with different options

[shy plinth]

You will be surprised how much practice will help

[main delta]

yup

[shy plinth]

I got my first 32 clear a month after starting the game just by going one heat at a time on every weapon

Play a lot, practice, try different things

[wary carbon]

yeah super pumped that this has a lot more replay encouragement than bastion/transistor

[shy plinth]

It is hard to really express the depth Hades has to offer

[wary carbon]

reminds me of diablo 3 g rifts

[main delta]

would lambent plume and pierced butterfly be too strong if they gave half charges for mini rooms in styx?

not sure if this is the place to ask this but i wanted to ask some experienced people

[formal gust]

my bow bounties are still at like 8

and my best is 22

[mossy zinc]

Probably. Hard to say.

[solemn pulsar]

i would like if maybe it considered the small rooms together as 1 room charge, or maybe the whole tunnel as a double charge

[rain sedge]

They could give full charges and I still don't think people will use it at high heat

Especially butterfly

[sly remnant]

ye unfortunately that buff doesn't fix butterfly's and plume's problems

would like to see it tho for the memes

as casual keepsakes they are great and it is fine to leave them there

[waxen relic]

how high would you need to get lambent plume for it to combat Acorn?

[mossy zinc]

Acorn for EM4 probably isn't the best pick.

[waxen relic]

I kinda feel like it has good effects for Em4 and RI3 if you get it up high enough.

[sly remnant]

calculating that is hard because its not just a straight damaged reduced formula. you have to consider the opportunity cost lost to run it

a zeus seeded zag fists run would be cool to see

[waxen relic]

sometimes we're running acorn from lernie to styx for safety

[sly remnant]

yea i think acorn at EM4 is probably incorrect for most weapons....unfortunately outside of spear tip and tooth our options are....limited

[mossy zinc]

With a total of 300 HP and Weak, a 20% Plume would be worth about 107 eHP while Lucky Tooth would be worth 142.

[sly remnant]

^and thats assuming weak has 100% uptime

[mossy zinc]

I think it's probably a legit choice on Excalibur and Zag Fists, though.

[sly remnant]

its a shame because butterfly and plume fundamentally change the way you play. i'd like to see them be a bit mroe competitive

it'd have to be seeded i think and no one is running that right now

but if seeded gets popular. could be really cool

plume that is

butterfly still a meme

[mossy zinc]

I think Pierced Butterfly is good at 32 and probably still 40.

[gaunt fiber]

Good day today

Died at lernie et furies at 40 heat

Elysium at 46

[sly remnant]

i can agree that bbutterfly is playable at 32 and 40

[gaunt fiber]

I'm just so trash

[sly remnant]

butterfly takes a lot more to get online....as opposed to shackle

[mossy zinc]

Shackle isn't universal damage, though.

[mossy zinc]

https://imgur.com/a/LA0T24j

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

But I mean

I don't want to continue like this

[sly remnant]

Sure but shackle helps you go very fast now as opposed to butterfly which helps you go kinda fast much much later

• the opportunity cost of not being able to run other keepsakes

[honest kernel]

Shackles -> Skull Earing when you have your core boons was the strat I went for

[mossy zinc]

Do some chill speedruns or 32 or finish some bounties or learn some other aspects or just play a different game for awhile if you feel frustrated.

[gaunt fiber]

idk

I think I'll go mirrorless GY

to actually learn something

instead of ruining every damn run

[proud jay]

Sounds cool and totally not frustrating

[honest kernel]

For real, don't

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

the thing is

I know only one way to play GY

And I can't adapt I'm a bot

[mossy zinc]

Playing other aspects will still help you to just become better at the game fundamentally.

[gaunt fiber]

hm

[mossy zinc]

But you could also do like mirrorless Guan Yu with no other pacts. That could be fun and a very different challenge.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah I'll see

Have to think about other aspects

Probably Hades

[formal gust]

BEO

[gaunt fiber]

[rain sedge]

Eris, duh

Ain't even close

[gaunt fiber]

yeah Eris should be a lot of fun

[sly remnant]

threw at phase 3

i hate myself

https://imgur.com/Iygt69l

i am the atlanta falcons

[rain sedge]

ah, the smell of beowulf EM4 in the morning

smells like misery

[true fable]

you know it's usually not bad

also first run HM sounds like a niche category that will probably garner very little interest

[sly remnant]

EM4 beo is normally fine

it was a straight throw

thats all it was

[true fable]

if you want to do something that's that much of a slog go do fresh file to credits

no mirage?

[sly remnant]

no mirage

rolled twice for bad news too and didn't get it

first DD got one shot by cerberus

[true fable]

😦

pain

[sly remnant]

oh no

i did the egg shame

[rain sedge]

bad news is 10.1% chance showing up, it's quite rare

[true fable]

11% with legacy

and higher chance in styx shop iirc

[cedar thistle]

im looking at code right now....

if im not wrong... heroic special for hermes should barely increase shield flying speed...

but common hermes special would make the shield SUPER fast, same for spear (non-gy at least)

[rain sedge]

yeah 11% my bad

[rain sedge]

I saw the code, I think the base became 10%. I have to see it again tho

[true fable]

wait rly

[rain sedge]

imagine having money to buy hermes boon at shop at 50 tho

[true fable]

so it's 20% to get bad news

true lul

[sly remnant]

i had damage issues i knew that. i was worried about the 4 or 5 sac which is why i rolled for bad news

[true fable]

fair

[rain sedge]

you know what's funny?

diamonds and blood isnt affected by CF

[true fable]

yeah come on

dont want tailesque to have to worry about farming meta currencies

[true fable]

WAIT WE HAVE A HELL MODE SAVE NOW

I DONT HAVE TO TURN ON RI1 FOR 51 HEAT

https://cdn.frankerfacez.com/emoticon/270930/4

[sly remnant]

brain trust time

i need damage on beo for hades

but i have patty buff so skull earring is prettymeh

any ideass

YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[gaunt fiber]

You found a way to defeat hunger in the world?

[sly remnant]

and i got the final sturgeon to finish my codex too

[gaunt fiber]

oh nice

[sly remnant]

https://i.imgur.com/eZr8GgL.jpg

ravenous will actually saved this run

[rain sedge]

pogU tyler

nice nice nice

grats!

[sly remnant]

now i gotta just do it with 53 to have the record

[rain sedge]

come join me in 53 suffering

I might actually do it over christmas

[sly remnant]

not having CF is actually so hurtful

[rain sedge]

???????????????

bruh this bot

[sly remnant]

you need a lot of boons

[rain sedge]

anyway

can't believe you did CF0

I havent turned that off since 32 heat

but I guess my weapon needs 2 boons, yours need a ton

[sly remnant]

i'm considering

[rain sedge]

ahhhh those heats go to EM4

makes sense now

yea our weapons necessitates different pacts

[sly remnant]

also ultimate dad fight

so that was kinda fun to do

[rain sedge]

I feel like, I could do that in eris

I should practice it

with delta chamber it should be doable

[main delta]

woah huge congrats tyler!

[sly remnant]

you could actually drop AP for CF2 on eris i think

[main delta]

td3 and em4 looks nasty

[sly remnant]

i had a pretty horrendous elysium

but the game gave me a 2 sac

[rain sedge]

I did RI2 AP1 for my run

the lack of EM4 made my heat setup quite inflexible

I could add 1 JS and 1 CP, and 1 PL, and that'd be 53

[sly remnant]

eris is also not a great EM4 weapon

[rain sedge]

but after that I have to take either EM4, RI, or AP

eeeeeehhh idk, as I said, with delta chamber I should be able to do it maybe

like on my 50 run I didnt even lose DD

with splitting bolt and jolted it actually does a ton of damage

[true fable]

well

[sly remnant]

with no RI i guess splitting bolt is possible yea

[true fable]

it is splitting bolt and jolted

if it didnt do a ton of damage that'd be kinda weird

[rain sedge]

I mean all I need in my run is 4 boons basically

I dont think it's that bad in terms of RNG

oh and athena stuff

[true fable]

yeah i'm not saying it is

just that splitting bolt and jolted should be pretty huge

now i just need to reset for those on chaos shield

[rain sedge]

imagine playing chaos shield yikes

almost as unenjoyable as poseidon sword at high heat

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-7827513

mfw I think about my poseidon and shield 40

if I think about it too much my head starts to hurt

[solemn pulsar]

what's high heat sword? I grinded my 40 heat clear with poseidon, is there a better way?

[rain sedge]

poseidon

sword

[solemn pulsar]

what

[rain sedge]

in a more serious note, I don't think so. I tried stuff but 40 heat sword is vomit worthy

unless you're some retrash

[solemn pulsar]

retrash?

[sly remnant]

probably top 3 fundamentals player in this discord

and a good gilgamesh player too

[solemn pulsar]

ah I thought maybe it was a derogatory term for people that reset runs until they get a good starting boon

[rain sedge]

*top 3 players, period

I believe in terms of net total of heats for all weapons he's leading

[sly remnant]

you are probably correct

he is top 3 players in this discord for high heat

he is definitely number one zag sword and gilgamesh player

[true fable]

when my best anyheat run on this patch is only 10 seconds faster than my best 32 heat run 💀

pain

[solemn pulsar]

is that a super speedy 32 heat or a lethargic any heat

[true fable]

bit from column a bit from column b

8:50-9mins

[gaunt fiber]

ShOuLd ChEcK tHe GaRdEn

[true fable]

is that a joke about reset grinding

i cant tell

why does he always say it so late

[gaunt fiber]

^

is this an heroic frost flourish run

I wonder

[sly remnant]

dio beo 50 heat run up in self-promotion

[true fable]

pog

[rain sedge]

submit to spread sheet?

[sly remnant]

oh

yea let me do that

aight done

i really like bablo's idea of tooth in elysium. makes the whole affair way mroe calm

[true fable]

really

[rain sedge]

I am considering this too, yea

and then switch to acorn on styx

[true fable]

even moreso than acorn?

hmmm

[sly remnant]

i mean. the heroes fight is whatever on beo

[true fable]

true

[rain sedge]

so.... I actually rarely die at heroes unless I got TDed

but some greatshield BP2 combos, some speeder chariots, would just eat me

[true fable]

i die sometimes when asterius double charges

🙂

[mossy zinc]

I've been taking Lucky Tooth in Elysium if I don't have at least one DD from Lady Athena by then.

[rain sedge]

and I feel real bad whenever I lose athena DD to normal rooms

[sly remnant]

don't play athena 🙂

[true fable]

i havent used the lucky tooth in a solid 400 runs probably

[sly remnant]

(i'm joking of course)

[mossy zinc]

I dunno about Retrash being top 3, it's kinda hard to say. I think I would give that to Tailesque, bablo, and haelian. But I guess bablo and haelian both don't really do 50+ anymore. But Retrash is def up there at the top for sure.

[rain sedge]

I feel it depends on the qualifier too

max heat? total heat across all weapons? total heat across all aspects? clear time? clear time over all aspects? 40 heat streaks?

[mossy zinc]

Why not all of it?

[true fable]

haelian's a variety streamer now

i dont think there's any point really to ranking people? what for? lmao

we publishing an article for thescoreesports?

[mossy zinc]

I know for sure that if haelian or bablo or Tailesque set their mind on any challenge in Hades, they'll make it.

I dunno it's just kinda fun to talk about.

[true fable]

that's fair

[rain sedge]

according to this ranking I just made up, I'm above bright and nya

[true fable]

i personally feel uncomfortable with it since they're not removed from this channel

[rain sedge]

that is fun to talk about, indeed

[true fable]

but you do you

[sly remnant]

lol i don't think any of them care what we think honestly

[true fable]

yeah that's fair

[rain sedge]

this channel is just hades-saltiness-and-banter anyway

[true fable]

hades PR

[sly remnant]

they are all incredible players and they all know that. they don't need a beo one trick to tell them that

[true fable]

having a power ranking for a single player game is just a very funny idea to me for some reason

[mossy zinc]

I dunno this kinda talk is pretty common in the FGC lol.

But it's not just a single-player game if they're competing. It grows beyond that.

[ripe crane]

Retrash #1, don't @ me

[mossy zinc]

@ripe crane

[true fable]

lol

[rain sedge]

nah I back crepes up actually

nya you play a lot of fighting games?

is that where the saltiness comes in? by being ready to 1v1 people in game and IRL?

[mossy zinc]

That's not being salty, that's just normal trash-talk lol.

[true fable]

FGC has pretty high quality trash talk

no high heat for today lol my hades is running at 25 fps

i literally cannot wait for a new pc

what if you wanted to run chaos shield but your computer fan said

[mossy zinc]

Lol SFV community is all talking about my sensei atm because he said at Street Fighter League USA is free, he's the best in the world, to not say they can beat him because they can't and they're all stupid for saying it, and to run the set if they think they can beat him because none of them can. Ain't nobody challenging him because they know they'll get smoked.

I love FGC trash talk.

[mossy zinc]

Time to do a mirrorless 25fps challenge.

[true fable]

the real challenge run

complete hades on a potato

[mossy zinc]

100%.

Or more like, 5% of the FPS I get, but close.

[true fable]

i actually have no idea why it's dropping so much

i usually run a stable 30 at least

[mossy zinc]

Because it's mourning.

Your new PC should make things a lot easier in the game if you get only 30 fps atm.

[true fable]

really?

i never felt like it made a huge diff

[mossy zinc]

Well, still depends on the monitor, I guess. But even just getting consistent 60 would help a lot.

[rain sedge]

so switch

literally every cloner room I lag

[true fable]

LOL

i remember trying switch and being like

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, better frame rate means better input lag, so reactions are a lot easier.

[true fable]

yeah my terrible laptop is still better

schad you're a champion for sticking with that thing

cool maybe i'll finally do GY 40

wouldnt go that far?

[rain sedge]

thanks, I am indeed a champion

[mossy zinc]

30 to 60 is huge. 30 to 120 or 144 would be even bigger.

[true fable]

think im goina 144 :3

[rain sedge]

I'll be honest with you, GY 40 was pretty free

[true fable]

oh you did it?

[rain sedge]

it was literally press special and dodge

[true fable]

what pact

[rain sedge]

uh let me find it

[true fable]

that weapon does not agree with me

[rain sedge]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[mossy zinc]

Like it can be the difference between an attack being impossible to react to in time and reacting very reliably if you focus on it.

[true fable]

think i need to embrace the death i guess

i had like HL2/3 for 32 heat

[rain sedge]

if you go charged skewer you barely get hit

asterius is real hard for me though

[true fable]

"go charged skewer"

yeah same

hate that guy

[rain sedge]

he's too fast for the charge

of the charged skewer

[true fable]

i guess heartbreak flourish helps with some eHP gain

[rain sedge]

I took it for the consistent damage but yea

5 divine dash didnt hurt that run though xd

[true fable]

LOL

[rain sedge]

alright imma do some EM4 eris practice

[true fable]

pogu

[rain sedge]

gonna do AP0 and RI2, since it's practice

in the real thing I can go up to 56 heat with AP1

oh god -50% dash range is actually so crippling

[true fable]

-50% dash range?

oh from chaos?

are you doing the basic HL5/CP2/FO2/HS setup or just running 50+ as nml

[rain sedge]

yea instant death

it was insane

I have everything maxed out except for RI and AP

so right now, 54 heat

RI2, AP0

[true fable]

bet

[rain sedge]

BeT

[true fable]

😠

where are you from btw

i feel like bet is a pretty normal american thing

[gaunt fiber]

Bet

[rain sedge]

UK

are you american too astaos

[gaunt fiber]

No sir

[rain sedge]

appropriating american culture

[true fable]

| american culture

kek

we have no culture that's the point

[rain sedge]

idk, there are some things that are uh, culturally american

[gaunt fiber]

like burgers

[true fable]

borger

[rain sedge]

havent ran HS in a while, spike traps that hit for 25 continue to surprise me

oh wow, timed out? that's wild

[gaunt fiber]

I died to Theseus

I used to be able to keep my acorn for the whole fight

[rain sedge]

haha idk why I keep falling into these trial of the gods trap

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/785660019914833950/unknown.png I don't think getting a spin off is possible after Hades' 2nd phase. Fight took 10 minutes

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao hammers

Awesome build

[north dove]

I have no idea what I'm doing with this aspect

[gaunt fiber]

You picked Hades and played GY

[north dove]

Not wrong

[true fable]

if GY could get chain skewer

[gaunt fiber]

Oh dude

[true fable]

the world would be quite a place

[gaunt fiber]

That would be fun

But tbh GY already pierces

[rain sedge]

54 heat is uh, quite hard

Some BP combos make it really hard

I really need KBM to aim the special properly for this I think

[true fable]

special aiming is quite nice

think special placement is a lot more important in general now

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/785671524329586689/unknown.png athena double nova spam is fun

[sly remnant]

DC2 with sword at 45

What a god

[north dove]

nothing wrong with DC2 on sword

[sly remnant]

Really?

[north dove]

dashes will usually take those off

[sly remnant]

Ahhhhhh

[daring hedge]

that build looks so fun

sorry zag aspect attack speed but it's special time

[north dove]

Yeah I love when a build comes together like this

[true fable]

special stonks out of control

after 4 hours of beowulf, i've made this tier list for which chaos curses let you reset the fastest

https://imgur.com/goZDvb1

[rain sedge]

What a Chad retrash

[daring hedge]

wait isnt the trap one easy to deal with

or am i reading it in reverse

[rain sedge]

Yeah I agree with tail

[ripe crane]

I don't know what any of those mean

[rain sedge]

• dash is the worst, then extra enemy