h1-high-heat-strategies

[sly remnant]

goodbye +1 cast

[graceful vortex]

What is considered high heat?

[gaunt fiber]

33 according to our analysts

[graceful vortex]

Wowza ok

[gaunt fiber]

joking

[sly remnant]

technically any heat you are struggling with

[gaunt fiber]

I think everyone agree that 32 is a good start

and a notable feat

[spring kettle]

Final Skelly prize

Any heat beyond that is bragging rights

[true fable]

tyler

that is

an absurdly cursed image

undead zag

[spring kettle]

Isn't Zag already technically undead?

He's immortal

[true fable]

hmm

[rancid stirrup]

ngl
i needed to lookup where skelly’s prize is
even that is a bragging rights

[true fable]

i think that question might be outside the scope of this channel

thats right im using the cop out answer

wait @sly remnant was that a survival room/did deadline expire during your fight

because you are using td3 rigjt

but theres no timer

[sly remnant]

yea i have TD3 on

so

i died

like died died go back to house of hades

but for somre reason

that happened

[gaunt fiber]

running TD3

[true fable]

weird

ive had weird tight deadline glitches in survival/boss rooms before

but ive never had the timer just disappear

[sly remnant]

idk. right now i'm trying out some weird stuff

mainly HC chaos egg

[gaunt fiber]

you want that cast

[sly remnant]

seems like rare chaos boons have a better chance of being +1 cast

[true fable]

i dont think that's the case, but the penalty seems less punishing

[ripe crane]

Definitely better than being +1 DD

[true fable]

like an epic chaos +1 cast is sometimes just a 3 room curse

[sly remnant]

its probably confirmation bias but i've had +1 cast 3 runs in a row

[true fable]

might submit that for ello's next mythbusting stream

[sly remnant]

i'm still sure that chaos egg HC is a meme

but i'm tryilng it

[true fable]

it definitely sounds like a meme

lemme give it a shot

what's your pact @sly remnant

[sly remnant]

only AP1 no RI no CF

[true fable]

bet

[gaunt fiber]

no CF pog

[ripe crane]

I'd run chaos egg all the time if it increased your chances of finding chaos rooms

But I assume that would be too good

[sly remnant]

like i said

i'm certain its a meme

[true fable]

i think it would do too much

[sly remnant]

but i'm trying it

[true fable]

generating chaos gates + no health loss + rarity

[gaunt fiber]

I don't take enough gates

[true fable]

gates are dangerous with AP and UC

[gaunt fiber]

yeah I know

One day I got the bomb thing without noticing

I killed a bunch of numbskulls in one shot

boom Astaos

[true fable]

as the old saying goes

"inferno bombs isnt the worst curse and oh im dead"

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

it was a fun death

[sly remnant]

i just need to get dio once and i'll kill the meme

but game won't give me dio

[honest kernel]

No Dio

Only Demeter cookies

[true fable]

i just realized today i havent been dash strike powershotting with rama like 50% of the time 💀

literally milliseconds short usually

[sly remnant]

aight meme's dead

good try tho

[rain sedge]

what's the meme?

[sly remnant]

chaos egg high confidence

[rain sedge]

what heat, and why is that a meme?

did you do the beo 50 yet?

[true fable]

50 heat

that is his current project

50 heat beo with chaos egg high confidence

[rain sedge]

that's a damn WeirdChamp project

good luck though, and video it for the flex

[true fable]

well it could be viable if chaos egg actually does affect bloodstone offerings

which i dont think it does but no one knows for sure

people thought shackle and skull earring were memes

[rain sedge]

shackle was a meme until AP2, it was a meme because no one pushed heat that far

skull earring was a meme until they fixed it

[edgy arrow]

why in the world would chaos egg effect bloodstone offerings

[true fable]

that's what im wondering

retrash did AP2 plenty before shackle was buffed

and shackle was a meme until like 2 weeks ago

[gaunt fiber]

I thought it was a get out of tartarus option

I was told it was not a meme weeks ago too

but I was also told "Yeah try it with excalibur mate" 2 months ago

#h1-builds-and-combat is such a zoo

[rain sedge]

you know what else is a meme but might not be a meme soon?

[true fable]

TRUE

chaos egg?

[rain sedge]

@gaunt fiber when he did 50

or whatever the hell he's doing that requires that many GY resets

[gaunt fiber]

You know

I think I am capable of doing 50GY with EM3

it's just that

[rain sedge]

do it just for the spreadsheet then

[gaunt fiber]

I don't wanna reset that much

nah

[rain sedge]

I mean, I only go to this channel in this discord

[true fable]

i'll run for the spreadsheet when i can record reliably

otherwise it's just anyheat/3 weaps for this guy

[gaunt fiber]

I don't care about the spreadsheet tbh

[rain sedge]

much like any internet forum (or equivalent), dunning-kruger effect takes hold and there's plenty of bad advices disguised in a misleadingly confident tone

also some pretty rude and condescending people, had to block some people

[gaunt fiber]

I only blocked Nyaanyaa

[rain sedge]

but this channel has been nothing but supportive ❤️

I had to block some guy who condescendingly replied to me even though he was wrong

[true fable]

ive never blocked anyone

[rain sedge]

and as far as I know he's still spouting advice up there

[gaunt fiber]

we want names and you know it

[true fable]

just disproved people with FACTS and LOGIC

ive come close but its more fun to just let them say what they say

even if arguing for fated persuasion/family favorite makes me lose brain cells

[gaunt fiber]

why do you bother

when someone does not want to read what I'm saying

[rain sedge]

yea I just leave them to their own devices

[gaunt fiber]

(about GY mostly lol)

I just don't care

about EM4

how much time do you think people need?

I think i'll drop TD3

[true fable]

yeah drop td3

td3 em4 just means you cant take many other pacts

TD2 means that JS3/DC2/CP2 are still in the realm of possibility

[gaunt fiber]

atm I need 1:30 to phase him lol

[rain sedge]

unless you play a quick weapon like eris

[gaunt fiber]

I can't play fast

I mean not during phase 1

Phase 2 I can dash strike way more

GY is so fun guys

[rain sedge]

Kappa

[gaunt fiber]

The classic combo feels so nice

and knowing when you can do it

damn

direspecting dad with double dash strike

[gaunt fiber]

no

[true fable]

watching retrash's 51 heat made me realize i do the standard combo too much on GY

[gaunt fiber]

auto pilot is hard yeah

[pastel badge]

Bablo has a submitted run for every weapon on The Diogenes Challenge

[gaunt fiber]

noice

[rain sedge]

such a gamer

[gritty summit]

can i post the higher heat result here?

[true fable]

those go in victory boasting

[gritty summit]

ohhh

my bad

[dire steppe]

tfw 1 heat is high heat strategies

[rain sedge]

that's even more WeirdChamp than astaos

something you don't see every day

[gaunt fiber]

What is that even supposed to mean?

[dire steppe]

and i thought i didn’t belong here by talking about 32-36 heat

[sly remnant]

can someone ELI5 beo special

it seems awful to me

it also doesn't work on attack to cursor which doesnt help

[true fable]

oh right kbm

yeah i also have trouble with it

i imagine it's better on controller tbh

only pre-1.0 players probably have good answers

[dire steppe]

i wanna do 40x6 so i finally belong here

[proud jay]

damn if only i wouldn't suck at the EM4 fight

almost got a 50 heat zag rail clear

[true fable]

jeez

spread fire or budget eris

[sly remnant]

ye the throw to cursor on beo is a good half inch above my cursor

[proud jay]

if zeus attack counts as bootleg eris

[sly remnant]

idk if there is a setting or somethign

[proud jay]

but i got the rocket + cluster bomb nuts

[true fable]

all the nuts

AP?

[proud jay]

AP1

[true fable]

zag rail actually feels kind of good

idk if the extra ammo actually makes a difference but it felt like it helped in some stupid JS/BP2 chambers

[ripe crane]

Trying eris for 40 heat speedruns. Don't think I like it

[proud jay]

you can do the normal eris stuff at 40 heat

it's a "don't get hit" version of any heat

[ripe crane]

Well I've never used Eris for anything really

[true fable]

just go dem fists like a true champion

[sly remnant]

savior numbskulls with witches and chariots in erebus

ok game i get it i won't go in erebus anymore

*blinker savior numbskulls

[honest kernel]

at 'least it's not linkers

But yeah

Erebus gates are super big gambles

[rancid spindle]

would it be best to slowly work up through heats (1,2,3,4,5 etc.) or just go straight to 8, then 16, then 32. I wanna maximise the blood, diamonds and mega nectar i get

[true fable]

if you want to max rewards it doesnt really matter

it'll still give you 21 sets per weapon

[honest kernel]

At first, I'd recommend just turning the heat up 1 at a time, while you still are under the 10 mark or something. It's so that you can get used to having some modifiers turned on. At some point, you can go for slightly higher jumps, like of 2-5 heat

But going from say 16 to 32 I wouldn't recommend

Going for the minimum heat for bounties until you are comfortable enough is the plan I suggest

[rancid spindle]

so if i went from 3 heat to 5 heat, would i get 2 sets of rewards?

[honest kernel]

No

You'd get the reward for that minimum level of heat, regardless of whether you went for the minimum or above it

[rancid spindle]

I see

[honest kernel]

So for a minimum of 3, whether you go for 3, 4, 6, even 20, won't matter, game does the bounty as if you did a 3 heat run

The reason why a higher heat level jump would be good is to get used to some pact modifiers early

They include Middle Management, Extreme Measures (Which I recommend going to at 'least 2), Tight Deadline 1 (2 if you feel like you go fast enough), maybe Forced Overtime too (Don't bother until like the 16s+)

Benefits Package 1 is also good to have, and Underworld Customs a bit later on

Those are the pact modifiers I'd mess around with

Since they don't affect numerical values in your run : They change how you perceive certain rooms/mechanics of the game

And aren't frustrating like Approval Process

[true fable]

middle management/benefits package 2/forced overtime 2/extreme measures 1/2/3 are the biggest ones to "get used to" imo

[honest kernel]

^ If you plan on going all the way to 32, this is what you'd want to do eventually

But what I said mostly applies to the 16 mark

Either way, they are good pacts to start messing around with

[true fable]

yeah all depends on what you want to do in terms of heat

[rancid spindle]

Ah alrighty, thanks :)

[tight oracle]

Just checking in real quick as someone currently working their way up the heat counter, what counts as 'high heat' here? 32+?

[true fable]

anything you want

the spreadsheet starts at 32

so that's a good barometer

[tight oracle]

roger that, ty!

[honest kernel]

@main delta Abyssal Blood in your 50 heat clear ? Damn nice. How important did you think it ended up being, if you don't mind me asking ?

[true fable]

i was just transfixed by the chad epic attack on AP2

[main delta]

i got so lucky that run

abyssal is a personal preference thing and im honestly not sure how important it was

id say it was pretty important since i was really nervous going into the dad fight and i got hit a bunch

nearly died, even with 421 health

[true fable]

seems kinda good for rama

[main delta]

idk i always felt like boiling blood fell off really fast

[true fable]

vs bosses it's pretty noticeable

imo

[main delta]

since it doesnt scale with damage boons and bonuses, while abyssal is damage reduction and it never really falls off

[true fable]

i notice it the most vs EM1 furies and EM4 dad

but abyssal is an idea

[main delta]

damn i should give boiling a shot then

i feel like it's most noticeable on hestia

[ripe crane]

People take boiling blood because any extra damage helps to make bosses faster when you're running TD3

Without TD3 I think I would take abyssal most of the time

[main delta]

oh maybe that woulda saved me from the time running out

but then again, i woulda probably died sooner from dad hitting me

[ripe crane]

Tru. 30% is a lot.

[mossy zinc]

@main delta congratulations on 50!

[true fable]

ok rama is kind of hard

maybe i shouldnt have jumped from 40 to 50

[honest kernel]

Does chiron struggle at 40 heat?

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

[true fable]

on the other hand chaos shield is still kind of free

[honest kernel]

Think JS3 would be alright if I do a dio build?

[mossy zinc]

Not recommended.

[honest kernel]

Ahh darn

I need to practice going fast now

[true fable]

chiron already has some issues with aoe

JS3 exposes those pretty hard

take DC2 before you take JS3

[mossy zinc]

I just generally wouldn't take more than 1 out of JS CP or DC at 40. There's no need.

[honest kernel]

something like this? https://imgur.com/a/vOfc1PU

[mossy zinc]

I'd take HS over DC.

[rancid stirrup]

DC2 on rama is free

[honest kernel]

I love rama but rama does not love me

[rancid stirrup]

...wait really? hs over dc on rama?

[honest kernel]

Oh wait, I'm gonna go chiron

I just forgot to switch

[true fable]

ok chaos 45 done

that was kind of fun

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/785072150230728714/Screenshot_247.png?width=1194&height=671

dc isnt that bad of an idea on chiron

especially not low tolerance chiron

but i'd defer to nyaanyaa

[rancid stirrup]

isnt dc free on chiron?

[true fable]

that's my thought too but nyaanyaa knows better

she plays a lot of chiron

[mossy zinc]

It's not free. You tag things with your Attack first, that's a good bit of DPS you're losing.

[true fable]

fair enuf

[rancid stirrup]

oh true

[true fable]

god life's gonna suckkk when i finally take AP

i know jolted and double strike woulda gotten crossed that run

[rancid stirrup]

ah yea chiron’s attack could oneshot the skulls

[true fable]

nyaanyaa how do you feel with EM4

i cant do that fight for the life of me on non shields

[mossy zinc]

I've never really practiced that fight. I don't take it.

[true fable]

😦

i want to learn a non shield forreal LOL

bows feel kind of awful on kbm though

[cedar thistle]

in what way does it feel awful to you? I really like mouse aim on kbm

[honest kernel]

maybe with aim assist on? it is wonky on kbm

[true fable]

my main thing is missing special

[cedar thistle]

i've aim assist on. I don't find it wonky. The only time it works against me is when I am using something like Arthur, and i want to hit between two enemies to hit them both with the arc, and it locks onto one of them instead.

[true fable]

since the hitbox is kind of strict

aim assist on is fine for me but missing the special by a hair on witches kinda suuucks

[cedar thistle]

ah... it must be a special in combination with a dash on rama?

that one is pretty impossible to hit

with kb/m my success rate is like... really low. with controller you basically can't fail

[true fable]

yeah

it's ok

im gonna figure something out

[cedar thistle]

I did a

This was the main reason why I did my 32 heat Arthur with controller.

I couldn't hit dash-strikes

https://streamable.com/8gfbtd

Kept missing by an inch

when my mouse is clearly on the target

[mossy zinc]

Me too. I died to Asterius. That's definitely a bug that shouldn't happen.

He hit for 64. Definitely a bug.

[cedar thistle]

I assume you're being sarcastic?

[mossy zinc]

I've never used sarcasm in my life.

[cedar thistle]

oh okay. cause it wouldn't be very nice

[true fable]

glass have you met nyaanyaa

sweet as sugar she wouldnt use sarcasm

[mossy zinc]

I don't try to be nice. I try to be kind.

[true fable]

44 eris felt fine

deadline felt a little tight though

maybe it's easier if you get cluster bomb?

i had delta piercing fire

[mossy zinc]

TD tight on Eris?

[true fable]

maam

idk

i have no good explanation

LOL

[mossy zinc]

I'll leave it at that.

[true fable]

you'll catch me in test branch discussion asking amir for eris buffs

yeah idk my plays probably a bit inefficient atm

probably a little bit scared of death

[mossy zinc]

You need only to win; you don't need to win with minutes left on the clock.

[true fable]

im learning that dodge can be kinda good

second wind + extra dashes is probably my favorite hermes combo right now

for high heat

rush delivery probably takes number 2

[mossy zinc]

That's what I always go for if I can.

Second Wind + Greater Evasion is also really good.

Or just rare/epic Greater Evasion if you already have Weak.

If you have Weak, a +20% Dodge from Greater Evasion is +36% eHP.

[true fable]

how do you keep up lambent plume stonks on zag fists with JS3/DC2 witch unarmored witch rooms

i kill them but they spawn in 4 waves lol

[mossy zinc]

Tbh I don't lol.

[true fable]

might turn down JS and CP and just go for TD3

could be tougher but fists are probably my fastest weapon

[mossy zinc]

I often switched to Lambent Plume in Elysium when I played only Zag Fists.

[true fable]

intoresting

what did you start with? athena?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's why people used to call that build the Mewmew Special. I always did Divine Strike > Hunter Dash > Deadly Reversal + Support Fire.

But you would take Deadly Flourish or True Shot now to get Deadly Reversal.

And Hunter Dash was nerfed a lot, so you probably want Divine Dash instead. Divine Dash also works a lot better vs EM3 because you can just deflect Asterius's slams easily. It's very hard to deflect them with just Divine Strike.

[true fable]

that's pretty big

that builds getting a little popular for dem fists RTA running

but it's a pivot out of ME

if you get bad doom rarity

[mossy zinc]

You just wait until like the last moment when he jumps at you and dash to deflect it.

[true fable]

yeah the game saved a bunch of unarmored numbskull rooms to throw at me just when i decided to get 49 heat zag fists a go

[mossy zinc]

Then the shockwave can't damage you.

[true fable]

this is sickening

[rancid stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583880464784424960/785096171777294376/Hades_39.png
1 hit away from killing alecto before TD got me with this setup
and that's with artemis attack and athena dash

do i take the CP2 or... RI?

[true fable]

im gonna go to bed lol

i'm not a TD3 advocate

i say just suck it up and do CP2 JS3 TD2

should feel miles better imo

[mossy zinc]

I think you should just lower AP and put that into something else if you want consistency.

[rancid stirrup]

i can't tell which one is worse; RI or AP

[mossy zinc]

I wouldn't take either at 45.

[rancid stirrup]

without taking either that means either JS3 CP1 TD3 or JS3 EM4?

[mossy zinc]

This is what I did for 46. I would just drop one point of JS or CP, whichever one. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/784412893243244554/Hades_1206.png?width=791&height=445

[rancid stirrup]

so
go faster, basically

[mossy zinc]

Not taking AP or RI will help a lot with that.

Because you'll just get good boons.

[true fable]

i still think speed can be tough in tartarus

do you have a vod

i want to watch that

[rancid stirrup]

i totally highrolled that one though
triple shot artemis attack and athena dash

no vod

my pc can barely survive hades and a browser lmao

[true fable]

oh i was asking nyaanyaa

[rancid stirrup]

oh

[mossy zinc]

Tartarus TD3 is just always gonna be an issue at high heat. If you get bad rooms, there's nothing you can do really.

[true fable]

fair

i do need to learn how to go fast on rama

going fast on anyheat is already hard

going fast with high heat TD3 is even harder

[mossy zinc]

No, that's the one where I forgot to switch OBS from Halo to Hades and just recorded a black screen with sound lol.

[true fable]

RIP

have you not successfully recorded any 1.37 runs lol

[mossy zinc]

I've successfully recorded all of my failed runs today.

[true fable]

also has chaos shield been done above 45 on 1.0?

mucho curioso

[mossy zinc]

I don't think so.

[gaunt fiber]

Guess what

[mossy zinc]

So have you.

[gaunt fiber]

[true fable]

i suppose i am now tied with retrash and wobbles on chaos shield lmao

congrats to both of you

may your many deaths pave the way for many other, later deaths

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks

[true fable]

forreal though chaos is so braindead lmao

[mossy zinc]

You're not tied because you haven't submitted any video. The record is 43 by ledgerdamayn.

[true fable]

😠

this is classist

jk

i'll submit a new one when my pc parts come in

[mossy zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/ariana-grande-sassy-and-what-about-it-gif-11678280

[honest kernel]

is it a crime to take RI AP at 40

[true fable]

yes

[honest kernel]

my slow ass can't do TD3

[true fable]

you will be punished for it with your own death

best of luck

you dont have to take any of those at 40 though

any of those meaning TD3 AP1 or RI1

[honest kernel]

not sure what else i should take to compensate for 3 heat

[mossy zinc]

I'd take AP over RI. At least you'll still get a lot of Centaur Hearts and boons in general.

[true fable]

whats ur pact

[honest kernel]

lemme find it

https://imgur.com/a/vOfc1PU

maybe JS2 CP1 AP? or that bad

[true fable]

heightened security, JS2, and DC2 all look like juicy options

[mossy zinc]

Are you still trying to use Chiron? What build are you going for?

[honest kernel]

Still Chiron, i've been doing hangover

[true fable]

oh this is chiron

[honest kernel]

but keep timing out in elysium

[true fable]

rip sorry i assumed rama

[honest kernel]

maybe i should suck it up and learn how to zoom

or learn rama...

[mossy zinc]

Drop the DC for HS. What keepsake are you starting with?

[true fable]

how far off are you from exiting? what chamber are you in

[honest kernel]

starting off with dio

i've done 2 runs, died at heroes

[mossy zinc]

You should start with the Eternal Rose if you're going for Low Tolerance.

[true fable]

^

[mossy zinc]

You're wasting time in Tartarus going for the Special there.

[honest kernel]

Because they die in one shot?

[true fable]

your attack damage matters more than your special damage on chiron until special stonks take off

[mossy zinc]

Yes, because they die in one shot.

And you get to choose between Drunken Flourish or Deadly Flourish or even an Epic Heartbreak Flourish if you start with the Eternal Rose.

[true fable]

also allows for an easy pivot to a heart rend build if the opportunity presents itself

[mossy zinc]

Like, you can just roll with whatever you see and have a strong build.

[honest kernel]

Ahhhh that's true

[mossy zinc]

Or an early Smoldering Air if you see Lord Zeus.

What's your mirror?

[honest kernel]

I'll try swapping in HS, I haven't taken it so far since I'm scared I'll fall into a pot

All violet except for last 4 + SD and dark regen

[true fable]

if you fall into a pot it is what it is

you arent running EM4 so you shouldnt be super worried

[rancid stirrup]

never before in my life i have been so proud of beating meg with 30s left on the clock
after meeting than at room 12

[mossy zinc]

You'll want Privileged Status if you're going for Low Tolerance.

[true fable]

remember you can dash through pots with DD to destroy them

everyone's gotten potted before though

[mossy zinc]

Or just do what I do and let dad take care of the urns for you.

[true fable]

its a rite of passage

true

the skulls clear them super well

[mossy zinc]

Do they even? I meant his sweeps lol.

[true fable]

that is quite huge. 45 heat?

[honest kernel]

Alright, I'll give it another go!

[true fable]

yeah i think so

[honest kernel]

Thanks y'all

[true fable]

ive seen it clear an entire room of pots

[honest kernel]

I will get salty if I get potted

[true fable]

as you should

[honest kernel]

But for now will worry about getting fast for TD3 lol

[true fable]

but yeah more reasons why i need a shield lol

shield good me safe

[mossy zinc]

Getting to Hades and dying to an urn is better than dying to TD in Tartarus.

[true fable]

i honestly think playing shield has shrunk my brain

and yeah ^

are styx minibosses still generally considered quicker

for TD considerations

on 45+

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[rancid stirrup]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/583880464784424960/785103932963160084/Hades_41.png

well that was a fun run

[mossy zinc]

I actually dodged the minibosses in the Temple for my 52 Heat, though, because I didn't have Deflect.

[gaunt fiber]

Hey

It's my pool

[mossy zinc]

And I didn't want my run to just end to the Dire Satyr.

@rancid stirrup it's really easy to replace a Special if you still have two priority boons. So I wouldn't worry about it too much. Next boon is definitely gonna give you a Special or Cast, and then the one after that will definitely be a Special if you took the Cast before.

[true fable]

sell special yeah

you're playing rama right?

do you have heart rend?

[rancid stirrup]

yeah i sold the special
died to my own folly though

was not ready for explosive hammer

[true fable]

LOL

no one ever is

anyone in chat rn do EM4

need some advice on dad's spin telegraphs

[gleaming salmon]

same

how to survive em4 consistently

[true fable]

cant tell when he's doing double spin vs spin spin throw vs spin spin spin

the latter two are more confusing for me

everything else in the fight is rather "ok-ish"

[mossy zinc]

He doesn't have a spin spin spin or spin spin throw.

[true fable]

it's that attack pattern that kinda gets me

[mossy zinc]

That's not a spin that he does in that combo.

[gaunt fiber]

you have trouble with the spin?

[true fable]

i guess it's a swing

but it go in a circle

astaos the swings are quick

[gaunt fiber]

oh yeah

[mossy zinc]

It's a semicircle, roughly.

[true fable]

the big double spin is mostly fine

[gaunt fiber]

I have more difficulties with Gigaros throw tbh

[true fable]

its the swing swing spin vs swing swing throw tbh

mostly

[mossy zinc]

I mean, the dash for spin or throw is kinda the same timing.

So I don't think it's too bad.

[gaunt fiber]

More difficult to read and way quicker

[true fable]

hmm

[gaunt fiber]

to me

when I'm far from him at least

I'm doing ok at point blank range lol

[mossy zinc]

I guess maybe it's just at the distance where I am it's very similar timing.

You don't really need to be in range of his spin in the first place if you get behind him when he does the two swings.

[true fable]

i just havent really done the fight on a non shield

so still trying to learn his attack patterns to dodge them

maybe i just go into that fight and just empty dash

for practice

[gaunt fiber]

just fight him

[mossy zinc]

You can evade his simple thrust 100% of the time by just running perpendicular to him. Don't actually need to dash for that.

For everything else, I just kinda dash past him once, and if it's a spin I time the second dash for that.

[true fable]

yeah but my only save is with a beowulf build that nukes him into oblivion haha

replying to astaos

[mossy zinc]

Just make a new one.

[gaunt fiber]

Then

Fight him with attack only

[true fable]

alrighty

im overthinking it

just win lol

[gaunt fiber]

You don't have to win imo

[mossy zinc]

If you wanna practice a different weapon, just take a different weapon all the way there. Only takes like 20 minutes maybe?

[gleaming salmon]

what's a good beowolf build

[true fable]

is that what you tell yourself astaos

[gaunt fiber]

no lol

I try to win every time

[true fable]

sorry i thought it would hurt less coming from me

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[true fable]

dio cast

mirage shot

go boom

[gaunt fiber]

I don't mind anyway

[mossy zinc]

@true fable why are you bullying Astaos? That's not very nice.

[gaunt fiber]

see Bright

that hurt more

[mossy zinc]

How? I didn't do anything.

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah you're innocent

[true fable]

ok i am going to bed

good luck not dying

[gaunt fiber]

what

[true fable]

you can do it

[gaunt fiber]

It's almost lunch time

[true fable]

it is 4 am my time

[gaunt fiber]

...

[true fable]

and i want to be up at 9

[gaunt fiber]

life is hard

[mossy zinc]

Let's not get carried away.

[gaunt fiber]

thanks!

[mossy zinc]

Those delusions are not good for you. You shouldn't listen to him.

[gaunt fiber]

Delusions keep me alive.

[mossy zinc]

Clearly they don't.

[gaunt fiber]

Not IG indeed

[rain sedge]

Bullying astaos :(

[gaunt fiber]

Schad you have to respond

[rain sedge]

What thing

[gaunt fiber]

something you said 10 hours ago

or so

[mossy zinc]

I mean I can bully you, too. I don't discriminate.

[rain sedge]

Wtf

Is this about a guy who wanted to post 1 heat clear here

[gaunt fiber]

about Astaos being weirdchamp

[mossy zinc]

Nah nevermind I can't bully you, you're a casual player. Can't go too hard on casual players.

[rain sedge]

I am indeed a casual now

[gaunt fiber]

[rain sedge]

Idk man, he was a WeirdChamp, you're a WeirdChamp, you're weordchamping together

[mossy zinc]

We can all see you crying even if you turn away.

[gaunt fiber]

It's rain

[rain sedge]

If I decide to pay £20 to get the pc version I might be a non casual

And do Eris 53

[gaunt fiber]

So I am a

[gleaming salmon]

u could wait for the christmas sale

[mossy zinc]

Oh yeah. @shy plinth is it possible to have a Honorable Mentions tab for runs that don't have a video? We would need something like a "I don't have a video, but I still want to submit my run. (Runs without a video are not eligible for the leaderboard but will be featured under Honorable Mentions in the spreadsheet.)" checkbox, and an option to link a victory screen. Victory screen could be optional for leaderboard runs, too.

[rain sedge]

Correct

I need those emotes enabled

[gaunt fiber]

Just call me anytime you want to

[rain sedge]

I want this so I can send my bad photos of my switch runs

[mossy zinc]

That way Switch players or players who don't have the hardware to record could at least put something on the board.

[gaunt fiber]

We need a phone recorded run

badly

[mossy zinc]

Schad, do 58 phone recorded.

[gaunt fiber]

If you clear it I'll buy you the game on steam

[rain sedge]

58 on phone lmfao

I dont think £20 is worth that kinda suffering if we're being honest

[gaunt fiber]

You could do 57

Fine by me

[honest kernel]

i'm still timing out in elysium

[bright crescent]

one easy trick to avoid timing out in elysiu

doctors hate him

[honest kernel]

tahnks i will try

[bright crescent]

turn off tight deadline

[honest kernel]

I think I

I'll try TD2 after all

and see if that makes my life worse rather than better

[bright crescent]

guaranteed you will never time out

[mossy zinc]

Can't time out if JS3 Speeder Witches already killed you.

[gaunt fiber]

Starting to talk like I do

Be careful

[mossy zinc]

Who is?

[gaunt fiber]

You, of course.

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

I didn't say they would kill me.

[gaunt fiber]

It was implied and you know it.

[mossy zinc]

Nope.

You're projecting.

[gaunt fiber]

Nah.

This argument was a bit peremptory, sorry.

[graceful vortex]

what are some 'free' heats?

oih can you not post

images

[ripe crane]

Tight Deadline 1 and usually 2.

No you can't

[graceful vortex]

https://puu.sh/GUSwv/d92a4d21be.png i need to reach 10

is td1/2 really free? Does it count for your fight with Hades?

Cause Idt I can do it in that case lol

[ripe crane]

TD2 is 28 minutes for a run. TD3 is 36 minutes

[graceful vortex]

oh wait nvm i cant do math lol

thanks!

[ripe crane]

Extreme measure 1 and 2 aren't too bad

[dire steppe]

turn on BP2, you should get used to it

and Middle Management

[graceful vortex]

ok bp 2 puts me at 10 heat so ill just keep those for now

[kindred knot]

any tips for 32 heat? trying to unlock last skelly prize

[ripe crane]

What weapon do you wanna use?

[kindred knot]

either blade with Arthur aspect or twin fists with the cutter aspect

[true fable]

cutter aspect... demeter?

for arthur you could just go the full divine flourish deadly reversal route or start aphro attack and stack damage reduction

for demeter i think zeus attack artemis special is still pretty good

you could also just go merciful end

if you're a gambler

[daring hedge]

i think by cutter they mean magnetic cutter of talos

[true fable]

ah

i like zeus attack still

and then you can kind of just take casts/specials for duos based on your pool

[kindred knot]

alright thanks guys, any pact choices I should pick or avoid when attempting this?

[true fable]

avoid AP and RI like the plague and you're golden

[gaunt fiber]

EM4 AP RI

FO2

[kindred knot]

nice, i still stuggle with 16 heat but Hades just let me go to Persephone so I just won the second statue like that, gonna take a while until I can beat 32

[true fable]

ive realized

that chaos shield

will literally just clear biomes in 6 minutes

regardless of heat

0 heat? 6 minutes

49 heat? also 6 minutes

[ripe crane]

Real talk? Turn on everything but TD3 and get a guaranteed 61 heat

[true fable]

i think so honestly

[rain sedge]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message @kindred knot

[true fable]

dude chaos shield just goes at a fixed rate

[rain sedge]

for your 32 pleasures, that's the "general" advice people will give

[rain sedge]

stop the TD3 hate

[honest kernel]

Crepes is right

This could be the optimal heat setup

That's realistic

Altho nearly impossible because lol RI4

[true fable]

TD3 suckssssss

very stinky

[rain sedge]

nya cleared RI4 on 32, 61 heat is less than 2x 32, so it should be less than twice as hard

stop hating hello

only plebs don't run TD3

slow plebs

who run slow stinky aspects like idk

beowulf

[true fable]

eris player LUL

gotem

[ripe crane]

Eris kinda stinky tbh

[dire steppe]

ok just be twice as good as nya

[rain sedge]

imagine high rolling chaos boon which is in itself already a high roll

[true fable]

eris VERY stinky

[rain sedge]

this is hate speech and bullying

mooooods

[true fable]

play zag rail you coward

or lucifer

[rain sedge]

I mean for my 32 zag rail, if you think I'm gonna play it exactly like I will play eris, you're absolutely right

[true fable]

like someone with a bit of culture

yeah thats what i did lmfao

[rain sedge]

lucifer
cultured

bruh lucifer literally is the worst designed weapon in this game

so boring, but without the excuse of the zag aspects of it being a "basic" aspect

imagine waiting to unlock the Super Secret ™ rail aspect... to get lucifer

at least gilgamesh give you furry claws for cosplay purposes even though its trash

[ripe crane]

Gilgamesh isn't trash

It's retrash

[true fable]

^

it's retrash blade dash

[true fable]

plays eris

[rain sedge]

retrash is somewhere laughing at us because he ran trash aspects just to we have to pretend they're good

[rain sedge]

excuse you eris is very interesting and engaging gameplay

especially with delta chamber

everytime I hold down the attack button is like playing 5D chess in my head, you wouldn't get it

[true fable]

to be fair it takes a very high IQ to understand eris gameplay

[ripe crane]

I tried Eris and got delta chamber and rocket special. I feel like that should've been very good

But I was kinda underwhelmed

[true fable]

cluster rockets is the way

delta chamber stinky

flurry > delta

[gaunt fiber]

and I am a weirdchamp

[true fable]

but unironically

[rain sedge]

@ me when you clear >50 heat eris without delta chamber

the brain space is so underrated

[true fable]

bet

[rain sedge]

soooo this rocket special.

it's one of the things that got hurt by the 4s eris buff

especially if you play controller with aim assist

it's actually quite hard to get the buff with the rocket. I believe it's also smaller

[ripe crane]

I was just in melee range most of the time tbh

[rain sedge]

and you ended up trying to point blank on an enemy and eat damage

yeah, idk. I only take rocket if there's already a cluster bomb in my pocket

every other special hammer is better. cluster bomb, 3x special, targetting system, all better

[true fable]

triple bomb isnt better imo

actually

maybe on high heat

but you agree that the buff duration matters now

[rain sedge]

it is, trust me. especially if you play KBM

[rain sedge]

after 40 heat, yeah

not that I ever experience the shorter buff, but if I remember my gameplay

[honest kernel]

👀

[rain sedge]

I think for that 50 run, especially on hades, I would have great difficulty maintaining my buff with 4s

[rain sedge]

nononono stop baj, the challenge is for bright not you

stop

I want to be the top eris player don't ruin this for me

[honest kernel]

lmao

[rain sedge]

crepes already ruined my dreams of being the top rail player, dont you dare

[true fable]

if i do eris i want to do 52 heat

since i think 51 is the highest?

[rain sedge]

go stick to zeus and coup tail on 58

[ripe crane]

You can still be best eris player

[true fable]

just want to learn the EM4 fight first

since RI2 seems miserable

[gaunt fiber]

do both

[true fable]

pain

[rain sedge]

I think EM4 is easiest with rail weapons

it's huge range, gives you time to react and kite

and unlike rama it does not need wind up for the attacks

[true fable]

shields say hello

i actually think i know nothing about that fight

only block

[gaunt fiber]

you should see my EM4 runs lmao

having a ranged weapon, playing at point blank

[true fable]

aight poll

so im on 49 heat chaos

made it to styx and the timers kinda trash

should i just anvil

[ripe crane]

What are you gonna get with anvil

[mossy zinc]

What do you mean "just"? I feel like y'all wouldn't wanna 1v1 me in the courtyard.

me and my Guan Yu:

https://tenor.com/view/anime-afilando-sharpening-knife-sharpening-knife-gif-14064850

[true fable]

who knows

isnt that the point

[mossy zinc]

If your hammers are trash, take Anvil.

If you have at least one good hammer, don't.

[true fable]

i have two "ok" hammers

[mossy zinc]

A bad timer doesn't necessarily mean you can't make it. Your HP adds to the timer, so don't get hit by stupidly rushing the fight when you should just play solid.

I've thrown away a lot of runs because I did that.

[true fable]

fair

yeah idk

no time, no DDs

no patty

but a shield

[mossy zinc]

You just gotta do your best, and if you don't make it, you're gonna run again.

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/f92c66e3d73c45b1b4dc687e2d6f60c5 Turns out you can still get the "100% Olympian-Free" title even with Chaos. Makes sense, but still funny that it works lol

[mossy zinc]

I think if you have two okay hammers, you can anvil.

[true fable]

wait

[mossy zinc]

You'll keep at least one okay hammer.

[true fable]

did they nerf athena even more on live

[honest kernel]

Probably

[true fable]

2 poms is 1.8->2.22 seconds

this sucks

[dire steppe]

F

[honest kernel]

Wasn't linear anymore

And I didn't even get the chance to test that in the test branch

Probably a last-ditch effort to stop my shenanigans lol

[true fable]

well the linear was on test branch

iirc

[honest kernel]

Yeah

[mossy zinc]

And you'll have three hammers. Even three okay hammers are better than two okay hammers.

[true fable]

now it's just halved

i ended up just double pomming double strike

we'll see how it goes

[dire steppe]

time to become Ares call abuser

[mossy zinc]

I don't think Chaos Aspect has any actually bad hammers.

[true fable]

think i need the faster damage

i dont think shield has too many bad hammers tbh

some of them are just "ok" at worst

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[true fable]

obviously on beowulf some of them arent good, but they arent deliberately harmful

[dire steppe]

minotaur rush is fun tbh

[true fable]

more than fun

it's good

[honest kernel]

Minotaur Rush is legit on Zeus shield lol

[mossy zinc]

I think Beowulf has Charged Flight and okay hammers.

[honest kernel]

Throw the special -> Charge the MInotaur Rush is a legit DPS route

[dire steppe]

minotaur rush turns your shield into rama

[honest kernel]

...

Not far off from the truth

[dire steppe]

shared suffering shield hammer when

[honest kernel]

"The Chaos aspect of shield now applies the Shared Suffering debuff, previously exclusive to the aspect of Rama"

Imagine lmao

[true fable]

played sloppy

gg

more tries later

[mossy zinc]

Rama can now block.

[true fable]

feels quite doable though

just bad bull rush timings that time

[mossy zinc]

My own experience after a "this feels doable" run is "why do I keep dying in Tartarus now?"

A lot of times.

[honest kernel]

Surprisingly hasn't been mine

[true fable]

LOL

[honest kernel]

It's "Can I stop dying in Elysium/To Lernie please"

[true fable]

im not worried most of the time on chaos until dad

just get a bit nervous

against superdad

watching retrash fight him helped me learn some patterns though

chaos lernie fight is literally just

[mossy zinc]

I have the stupid tendency to run JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 as a matter of pride lol. So Tartarus is very rough.

I said DC3 lol no thanks.

[dire steppe]

Just do 64 heat with DC64 and nothing else

[honest kernel]

How did you come up with something that is somehow worse than AP2

[dire steppe]

Finally a use for drunken dash

Or how about DC59 BP2 because cloners say Y e s

[main delta]

DC61 JS3

[gaunt fiber]

I told you, too late now

[true fable]

cp2 dc2 Js3 td2 is probably my limit for chaos shield

like i said, need to clear tartarus in 7 minutes? chaos will do it in 6

need to clear tartarus in 5 minutes? chaos will do it in 6

[mossy zinc]

@dire steppe what about that 1v1 in the courtyard. I won't even use my mirror, so you might have a chance. Don't even gotta be twice as good as me. https://tenor.com/view/anime-afilando-sharpening-knife-sharpening-knife-gif-14064850

[true fable]

jesus nyaanyaa lmao

[dire steppe]

do i get to use eris

[mossy zinc]

Sure.

If you think that helps you.

[gaunt fiber]

Be careful tho her words are stronger than her body

[mossy zinc]

This is FGC now.

[honest kernel]

Hades the fighting game when

[mossy zinc]

I like that. My main gonna do mad damage and reduce all damage by 30%. Lady Aphrodite is definitely gonna be top tier.

[honest kernel]

Oh god Zeus shield sounds so polaziring

Spinning death disc

[sly remnant]

i've actually always thought that a roguelike where the final battle was against another player doing a run would be cool

[honest kernel]

I mean

[mossy zinc]

I think Zeus Aspect Heartbreak Flourish is actually my favorite shield now.

[sly remnant]

but thats way easier to conceptualize than actually do

[honest kernel]

isn't Hades basically an alternate version of Zag

Uses the spear, uses his own aspects. Has Death Defiances

[true fable]

not trying to fight tailesque

[honest kernel]

in EM4, also cheats and uses Achilles' aspect, has his own Cerberus companion

[true fable]

doesnt seem fun mate

[honest kernel]

Uses his own call by vanishing

[true fable]

he does also have a dash attack

[honest kernel]

Even has a cast in the skulls

[mossy zinc]

The disc has a little pink 💗 over it. It's too perfect.

[honest kernel]

^ neat little detail yeah

[mossy zinc]

Hades's call is actually the urns.

That's his "wrath".

[true fable]

zeus shield probably feels like the least natural shield for me

[honest kernel]

Considering you play Beowulf that's understandable lmao

[sly remnant]

zeus shield is a big brain weapon. its so hard to play

[true fable]

when should i be using beo special btw

[sly remnant]

yea i'm curious too

i'd try to use it yesterday

[true fable]

it always just feels like a slow clunky 2 target lob

[sly remnant]

and it was awful

[honest kernel]

Charged Flight -> Consider. Otherwise, when enemy's offscreen and weak

[sly remnant]

i wish the beo shield throw actually worked on attack to cursor too

i submitted a bug with the screenshot of it not working

[honest kernel]

They tried to take the regular shield special

Like double it's base damage

But also make it a ton slower

Thing is : Base shield special damage is dooky

So you end up doing Mediocre damage for super high risk

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, like to finish off enemies and stuff. It also bounces, so you can hit enemies around corners, and it destroys projectiles very well.

[sly remnant]

yea i hate not being safe for like 2 seconds

[honest kernel]

It's not that you can't block

It's that you can't attack

That's even worse

[sly remnant]

i'm trying to work it into my damage rotations

and also aim below where i actually want it to hit XD

[honest kernel]

I've had success throwing it on walls for Tartarus rooms

To nab that 1 enemy offscreen

Since it's always 2 bounces by default

[mossy zinc]

You should do practice runs with just the Special to better understand it, then you can weave it in in those small moments that really make a difference and can really make the most of any Special hammers that you get.

[honest kernel]

Otherwise ? Just do what your aspect does best lol

It's like, a very small optimisation at best that just becomes irrelevant when you enter asphodel lol

Unless you get special hammers or whatever

Then it's irrelevant in Elysium

[true fable]

will give it a shot

[sly remnant]

also has anyone else ever noticed how attack to cursor works exellent directly vertical....and then gets slowly worse the more you rotate it horizontally

[true fable]

empowering flight + pulverizing felt very strong on chaos btw

YES

[mossy zinc]

Base Beowulf throw is still nice for Witches in Asphodel.

[true fable]

i think it has to do with the isometric layout

[honest kernel]

I guess

For non-beowulf damage's too low lmao

[mossy zinc]

It just makes their projectiles evaporate.

[sly remnant]

yea the isometric layout massively wrecks attack to cursor

[mossy zinc]

Just poof~.

[sly remnant]

i'm sure it won't get fixed tho 😦

cuz there's like 3 people who do KBM

i'm sure the problem is that the cursor is treating the screen as a 2d object when zag exists in a 3d world

[honest kernel]

I actually didn't have many issues with it

So that's weird

[sly remnant]

i'll screenshot the difference real quick

[honest kernel]

I got used to it I guess

[true fable]

i notice it the most on beowulf

[honest kernel]

Since my cursor goes crazy when I play lol

[true fable]

dont notice it on chaos/zag shield

[honest kernel]

Hmm

Interesting

[mossy zinc]

I play on pad, so I can't really relate to how difficult it is with KBM. But in situations where I know the aim assist won't hit or have difficulty hitting, I try to aim at a wall or pillar. You still gotta time it, but the bounce is somehow amazingly really accurate.

[honest kernel]

^

[mossy zinc]

And you get your shield back faster.

[honest kernel]

As KBM, I also throw the shield at the wall when I don't play Zeus aspect

[sly remnant]

yea i started using the return actually to kill

instead of the throw because of how bad it was

[honest kernel]

"Hey there's this invisible enemy/pillar offscreen, let me get to it real quick"

meanwhile

"Can you come back pls"

[sly remnant]

i also have aim assist turned off

[true fable]

i only notice it on beowulf tbh

and rama

[sly remnant]

aim assist on rama is so cancer

[graceful vortex]

is this game that much better with controller? i could not imagine aiming with analog sticks

[true fable]

you dont have to aim right

[graceful vortex]

you dont have to aim if you play controller???

wut

for real?

[mossy zinc]

The game aims for you. You just hold in the general direction.

[graceful vortex]

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat aaaaaaa

til

[true fable]

still though

i dont think its a huge advantage

[sly remnant]

dang it the steam screenshot cuts off the cursor

[true fable]

its ultimately player pref

[sly remnant]

you cannot see how bad it is

[true fable]

baj does kbm and did 57 heat

lili does kbm and got sub 6

[sly remnant]

the only places i really notice the kbm advantage is blocking with shield and rama shots

since i'm trying to fit as many enemies as possible in the rama shot

[true fable]

eris too imo

[sly remnant]

oh and with lucifer

i have no idea how gamepad people shoot bombs reliably with luci

the game constantly jerked the beam away from where i wanted it to go

[rain sedge]

I'd pay to KBM eris

[true fable]

then do it

[rain sedge]

send me £20

you have the look of a rich man bright

[gaunt fiber]

Just told you

[true fable]

im not gonna be ur sugar daddy

[gaunt fiber]

to record a 57 heat on switch

And the game is yours Schad

[true fable]

^

true

[gaunt fiber]

Or better

a 40 GY run

43 let's say

[rain sedge]

FeelsBadMan

nah I can't justify spending money on that, I bought AC Valhalla and would get Cyberpunk in a few days

[true fable]

cyberpunk LUL

[gaunt fiber]

[tidal flame]

Imagine buying AAA on release

[true fable]

thats the real rich man look schad

[mossy zinc]

Lol we don't.

[true fable]

sextuple bomb phasing bosses is fun

[rain sedge]

Imagine hating on developers of Witcher 3

[gaunt fiber]

TW3 bad

[true fable]

geraldo

of rivera

[rain sedge]

Actual WeirdChamp

[true fable]

tw3 was pretty fun

kind of circlejerked to death though

[mossy zinc]

I couldn't get into the Witcher 1 at all, and Gerald was very unlikable.

So I don't really get the hype.

[gaunt fiber]

the witcher 1 is a disaster lmao

[rain sedge]

Never played Witcher 1 or 2

[mossy zinc]

Maybe that's the solution.

[true fable]

i didnt play witcher 1

heard from all fans it was unplayable

[mossy zinc]

I chose the solution of not playing 1 any longer and also not playing 2 and 3.

[true fable]

surprise surprise witcher 2 was also unplayable imo

[gaunt fiber]

it's a rythm game

click click click = The witcher 1

[true fable]

arent all games rhythm games in a way

[gaunt fiber]

yeah you're right

[true fable]

hades is a rhythm game

[gaunt fiber]

in Hades you get to dance

[true fable]

we're staying on topic mods!

[rain sedge]

This channel is basically hades-high-heat-player-lounge with the occasional strategy discussion and sac venting

[mossy zinc]

What I disliked most, I think, aside from Gerald is the game gave you like hundreds of ingredients and recipes and I just couldn't care less about crafting all that.

[true fable]

if you look at the description thats kind of what its supposed to be

[rain sedge]

I mean apparently it's supposed to be where we talk strategies

[gaunt fiber]

Why did you dislike Geralt tho?

[rain sedge]

I still need to do 32 all weapons

[true fable]

all aspects you mean?

[rain sedge]

Yeah

[true fable]

do soaker too while youre at it

[rain sedge]

I tried remember