#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 155

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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It is the path to redemption

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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Unless you route the entire run like Kane did.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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mossy zinc Unless you route the entire run like Kane did.

I thought you can't do that

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:40 PM

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You can, but that's not unseeded anymore for obvious reasons.

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You can check out the pinned high heat leaderboard. It has video links for everything, so you can check out builds there.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:41 PM

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not trolling WeirdChamp

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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most "builds" arent super concrete at high heat anyway

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it's important to be flexible

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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Builds are usually just 2 core boons + 1 Duo Boon, if even that.

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My builds are pretty much all 1 core boon + options from there.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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usually 1 core boon and divine dash zaglol

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:42 PM

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And eventually, builds just become 1 core boon + Divine Dash, yeah.

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Or just start with Divine Dash and roll with whatever else you get.

mortal mango Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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so for chaos shield itd be like zeus special + divine dash

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Yeah. That'd be a good build.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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lord almighty aphrodite special on chamber 10 with RI4

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Then you double-down on those two for the damage and the survivability from her DDs.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:43 PM

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quick, epic affirmation or the legendary

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my weak is on special with cluster bomb

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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If you can also get Aphrodite's Aid, you can go for Smoldering Air.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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how far along are you

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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chamber 10

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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If you get Frost Strike, you can go for Cold Fusion.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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RI4 run

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which is why I'm even considering life affirmation

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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If you get Trippy Shot, you can go for Scintillating Feast.

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Etc.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:44 PM

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chaos shield you just go for zeus on special and something meaty on attack

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Most successful high heat players know pretty much all the boon routes by heart.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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artemis/aphro/ares/dem are all pretty solid contenders for chaos attack

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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Except @gaunt fiber always makes a lot of questionable decisions when I watch his runs. squirtnya

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:45 PM

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he makes exactly 1 decision

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where to suicide if he doesnt get charged shot

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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I don't have to make decisions

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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tbh i might just reset beowulf for sudden rush

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:46 PM

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also

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thanks

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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I assume with RI4 I can't get DD from athena?

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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Correct.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 10:47 PM

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unless you equip skelly tooth

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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You'd need Lucky Tooth or a Defiance from Master Chaos and lose that in the same chamber, pretty sure.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:48 PM

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cool I got the skelly tooth for ashpodel

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AH DAMN I FORGOT TO EQUIP ATHENA KEEPSAKE

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arghhh I was so confident because it's 32 and I forgot I'm on RI4

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:49 PM

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rain sedge where to suicide if he doesnt get charged shot

when I'm tilted that's very true

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:50 PM

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Well, you can't equip her keepsake if you take Lucky Tooth lol.

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I'd just not bother trying to go for that or Defiances from Master Chaos.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:51 PM

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mmm this run is looking hard

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no extra dash from hermes

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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It's doable. You're running FO0, right?

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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FO1

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BP2, which I'm starting to regret

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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I'd change that to FO0 just from my own experience.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:52 PM

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have some tidal dash

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yeah I dont know where extra 3 heat will go to though

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I dont really want to take UC

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:53 PM

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I used these pacts for all of them. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420341404139550/Hades_1144.png?width=791&height=445

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Mirrorless boonless I did this. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png?width=791&height=445

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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HL3???

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Sure.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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big yikes

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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Goal is to no-hit anyway.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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it's ok I got extra dash on the next hermes boon

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I think I got this

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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And Acorn helps with bosses.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:54 PM

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my brain is small remember

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hard to do no-hit

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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FO0 helps a lot.

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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damn

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I had to buy my hammer

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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Good luck!

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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and it's no even charged skewer

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:55 PM

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I could take FO0 if I run UC and HL1

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I can take DC2 remember

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eris

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:56 PM

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I just prefer when everything dies immediately lol. But yeah, I guess DC2 would make sense on Eris.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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gonna keep skelly for elysium, that's wise right

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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But keep in mind your special won't just one-shot things if you take DC2.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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but from the time it takes to land I already attack once which removes it

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 10:57 PM

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I dunno. I take Acorn, personally. But Lucky Tooth might help.

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Not necessarily every enemy, though, if you have Cluster Bomb.

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Might be worth it if it lets you dodge BP, though.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 10:59 PM

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rocket bomb and cluster bomb xD

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never punished

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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Rocket Cluster Hazard Bomb with the Anvil would be great to see.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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is hazard bomb compatible?

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:00 PM

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It's not.

sly remnant Dec 2, 2020, 11:06 PM

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Alright I guess I'm bad

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I dont get this pulverizing blow meme

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:06 PM

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I dunno, just mash Attack.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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what hammer is that?

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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pick dio

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boom

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double stack

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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Double Attack on shield.

sly remnant Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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I guess I'm just a spaz cuz I hate enabling it by standing still

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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wait

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it only works if you dont dash attack?

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:07 PM

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standing attack is also jsut bad on beowulf

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yeah

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otherwise it would be just strictly better than dashing wallop

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:08 PM

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I dunno. Just get behind something and mash.

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

sly remnant Dec 2, 2020, 11:10 PM

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Idk nothing stands still with FO2

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Just seems like a bad jammer to me

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But I just won't oicknit

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:11 PM

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ok

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I didnt even lose skelly

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must say it's pretty free

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maybe I'll try even worse pact combos to double down on the meme

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:12 PM

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Cleared?

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Congratulations! squirtnya

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:13 PM

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mhmm, #h1-victory-boasting message

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

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First try, too? Nice.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:14 PM

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sub 16 too

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I guess this is good enough to troll people who ask best 32 pact setup

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Am I crazy if i'm trying 45 heat mirrorless

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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yes 2) do it 3) what happened with 58

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Read my nickname

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I hate how Wringers can grab you when you're like already well behind them because their hitbox is huge or something, or how they grab you even when you just killed them.

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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Still training for it

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:16 PM

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baj did you see jerds' message about hell mode/PL

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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What message specifically

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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wringer hitboxes are some weird stuff

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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If it's the one where it's like he explains why it's not in the leaderboards, I've seen it

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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asking if the extra heat from PL was why you are grinding HM

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:17 PM

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I did reply to him

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a bit later tho, I was asleep

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So whether he saw my reply or not, 🤷‍♂️

glad mantle Dec 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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What is Hell Mode exactly? Does it permanently turn on conditions of the Pact that are otherwise unavailable?

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:18 PM

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ah for sure

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it gives you personal liability, a 1 heat pact not available in normal mode and also locks some other pact conditions

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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@glad mantle Turns on a few modifiers (Jury Summons, Hard Labor, Lasting Consequences, Calisthenics Program, Personnal Liability) permanently, and gives access to the last heat modifier I mentionned

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Those are the only differences

glad mantle Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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Damn, so "serious" players probably should make a Hell Mode file?

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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well

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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what's a good heat to do the boonless challenge @mossy zinc a

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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it's complicated

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:19 PM

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This actually has been the subject of a debate

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I dunno. 32 is a good start, I would say.

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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For the leaderboards, it's currently not allowed. But if you want the maximum heat you can get, a hellmode savefile is mandatory

glad mantle Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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I'm like, just wrapping up on my first save file and thinking about getting into high heat gameplay, so maybe anticipate a bunch of questions lol

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Feel free to ask questions here

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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You could also just try 20 and see if you like it at all.

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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^

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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im gonna chiron it

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:20 PM

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Decent starting point

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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32 it is

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Boonless can get very repetitive.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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32 heat boonless is pretty fine

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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I imagine with chiron and one of those 2 special hammers it'll be good

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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i actually dont know if that'll scale that well

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but you can try it

glad mantle Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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Yeah you guys seem alright. The highest I've completed is 23 (with the bow ofc) and I'm wondering what the standard is for high heat runs

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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..........I see I have to grind 64 encounters to level up the shackle

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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... What EVEN is the standard lol

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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better get starting then

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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there's no real standard for high heat runs

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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For the leaderboards, it's currently not allowed.
That's not correct. Hell mode is perfectly fine for the high heat leaderboard. The speedrun leaderboard doesn't accept any hell mode runs.

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:21 PM

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32 heat is a good starting point

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For what's considered high

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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i guess some things you should know are like

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for LC4, you can take SD to get pseudo healing

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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32 is the cut-off point for the high heat leaderboard. Anything below that is filtered out.

glad mantle Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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That's honestly pretty cool, that there's no "standardized" high heat runs. Gives me a lot more flexibility, I feel

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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Since we agreed that 32 is still a good level for some interesting challenge runs.

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:22 PM

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yeah theres a lot of flexibility in pacts up to the mid 40s ish

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:23 PM

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non-trolly writeup about your first 32: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

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what's the fastest way to level up keepsakes btw, if any?

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:23 PM

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Run through Styx

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Like it's a 5-sack

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:23 PM

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^

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take a purposeful 5 sack

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

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cool, don't even have to change my playstyle

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

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nice

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:24 PM

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thanks, will get shackle to max and do boonless 32 chiron

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:25 PM

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heads straight for Lady Aphrodite's boon in a trial
Lord Ares: Did I detect some hesitancy, then?
No, you did not. Shut up. You're not even on her level. dusa

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I forgot to turn off SD for 17 heat

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I guess I'll be fine

spring kettle Dec 2, 2020, 11:25 PM

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Aphrodite has the high damage multiplier% and her charm arrow has such a long stun and it tracks

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:25 PM

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I just leveled up my Shackle while doing boonless runs, I think.

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lol

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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Mine was already leveled from me wanting to max keepsakes, back when it still boosted trap damage lmao

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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aphrodite is on my highest tier of gods I dont trial against

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those arrows would 100-0 you real quick in the stun

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:26 PM

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No idea.

spring kettle Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I angered her once in a trial just to see what it was like, never again

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Never didn't pick her first.

spring kettle Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

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It's so easy to lose track of the stun arrow

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

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Lady Aphrodite on her stream said it's good that I always pick her first. 💗

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:27 PM

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I have a chamber 7 splitting bolt .

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still 5 reroll stones

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I believe this is the luckiest I've been

honest kernel Dec 2, 2020, 11:28 PM

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Thy urns are waiting

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Avoid Lady Athena if you're doing boonless. She has a tendency to brick your run by offering Holy Shield etc.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

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no I'm just running 17 heat for bounty using achilles

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was gonna change to shackle from ashpodel onwards

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:29 PM

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Ah gotcha.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:30 PM

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to levle it up

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I might die from forgetting to change SD

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:30 PM

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I believe in you. squirtnya

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:31 PM

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❤️

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 11:32 PM

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oh

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it's Bablo witches

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I might have made a mistake

true fable Dec 2, 2020, 11:33 PM

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i did all the casual stuff before i did any heat or speedrunning lol

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:33 PM

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I took chaos curse that give damage every time I cast because I didnt check it out

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I autoselected their legendary and... I dont have spare DDs now

spring kettle Dec 2, 2020, 11:34 PM

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I've never been able to get their legendary while in a position to survive past the curse, therefore not completing the prophecy

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I always get it when I have no DDs and low health

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:35 PM

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It's okay. I fought Lernie with 1 HP for most of the fight earlier lol.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:36 PM

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woof managed to survive

gaunt fiber Dec 2, 2020, 11:49 PM

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So I got 7 runs in a row without charged skewer

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I switched to owl pendant to go for ME as a side strat

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got both

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shadedisgruntled

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:51 PM

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lol very free 45 Heat with Rama until "MEOW!"

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:52 PM

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whats mewo

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:52 PM

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Flamewheels.

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Way too many Flamewheels.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:52 PM

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so about flame wheels release

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does it just stop them respawning at all, or does it replace them with other enemies?

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:53 PM

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It just removes them from the spawn pool, so other enemies will spawn instead, yeah.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:53 PM

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thats a bit sad

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what if you get greatshields instead

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:53 PM

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Would be way too good otherwise.

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I'll take any Greatshields over Flamewheels.

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:54 PM

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thats a controversial take for SURE

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:54 PM

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I don't think it is. thanthink

rain sedge Dec 2, 2020, 11:55 PM

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react with ☸️ if you prefer flamewheels, 🛡️ if you prefer greatshields

mossy zinc Dec 2, 2020, 11:57 PM

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Greatshields are predictable and die fast with a good build.

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Flamewheels don't care about any of that.

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JS3 FO2 Flamewheels, you don't even get to press Attack or Special without taking damage lol.

ripe crane Dec 2, 2020, 11:59 PM

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I just let hotwheels kamikaze as I dash through them tbh. Attacking them is too dangerous

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:00 AM

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Yeah, but that's still RNG depending on what path they like to take or if they want to spawn right where you're dashing.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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I remember very clearly the many, many times I die to greatshields

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:01 AM

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ripe crane I just let hotwheels kamikaze as I dash through them tbh. Attacking them is too ...

this is what I do

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:02 AM

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You're not gonna no-hit that with FO2 JS3 DC2 lol. You can no-hit Greatshields reliably.

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Flamewheels are the #1 enemy you don't want to see in Erebus.

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 12:03 AM

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Trying to do 32 heat. Tips

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:04 AM

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tight flax Trying to do 32 heat. Tips

Eris is the easiest weapon to do it on, here's the best pact setup for your first 32: #h1-victory-boasting message 😄

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:07 AM

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I just use flame wheels to SD myself

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Not even gonna lie

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:08 AM

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Could you please write reasonable advice for 32 Heat?

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Hestia with this build and mirror is clearly superior for 32. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png?width=791&height=445

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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only thing I see it's that it's slower

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:09 AM

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I was shopping, okay?

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Gotta take my time in the shop.

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But seriously, Hestia, Eris, Chiron, Rama, and Excalibur are all very good for 32 Heat.

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If you don't have any particular preference yourself.

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:11 AM

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Achilles ain’t too bad with the new wave

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:11 AM

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I thought they reverted achilles changes

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I would like the charge to get refreshed every special tho

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:12 AM

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what specific questions do you have for 32 heat?

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if you just ask for general advice nyaanyaa's gonna tell you to go mirrorless boonless

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I already did.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:12 AM

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LOL

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:12 AM

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they reverted the 200% damage but the special is still way faster

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:13 AM

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Schad also already recommended mirrorless after doing mirrorless 32 themself earlier.

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It's catching on. Great strategy. Everyone should do it. squirtnya

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You're basically just doing 24 Heat.

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But without your mirror.

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:13 AM

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ri4 is free 8 heat

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the mirror sucks

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:14 AM

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and then AP2 is free 5 heat

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:14 AM

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I like that mirrorless and boonless both give special dialogue and titles now.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:14 AM

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you just need to find 19 heat somewhere else

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yeah it's nice to get those titles

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:14 AM

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idk I give my long writeup if they ask specific questions and polite, troll if they ask in obnoxious and low effort way

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seems fair to me

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 AM

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Except when you get "Big Shopping Trip, Too" like that matters. squirtmeh

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 AM

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i wish “100% darkness free” would make it so hades can’t say “DARKNESS.”

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I'm glad that my mirrorless 32 already got payout though

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 AM

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that's how i felt when i got swiftness of hermes instead of disciple of aphro

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:15 AM

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I don't think anyone asks in any obnoxious way lol.

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I think showing them a 32 mirrorless boonless run at least gives them confidence that they can do a "normal" 32. squirtnya

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:16 AM

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Let me remember my latest run clear message

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:16 AM

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it's just kind of complicated because the answer to 32 heat is literally just "play more LUL" but that answer feels lazy too

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I CAN'T I NEVER WIN

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 12:16 AM

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seeing nyaa do things reminds me that i will never be as good at the video games as people in high school

hollow lynx Dec 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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i can feel the summoning salt world record video writing itself every time i look in this channel

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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He's dissing himself now already. Did I break him? thanthink

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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gaunt fiber I CAN'T I NEVER WIN

you can see nya is typing literally this as you speak

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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@rain sedge I was. zaglol

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Maybe not in those exact words.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:17 AM

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mossy zinc I don't think anyone asks in any obnoxious way lol.

I mean the way he asked was literally the exact opposite of how you should ask good and polite questions, so yeah, I do take offense to that

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maybe I'm just salty tho

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:18 AM

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mossy zinc He's dissing himself now already. Did I break him? <:thanthink:66924600414253875...

Hades did

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:18 AM

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I think you're just salty lol.

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@gaunt fiber I know Hades breaks you. I see that on your stream every time. He hits you a lot. dusa

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:18 AM

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"every time"

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Idk why I struggle so much

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I mean

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I can read him now, it's not an orphan of kos

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 12:19 AM

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Game is hard

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:19 AM

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I guess

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But I think it's mostly me being garbage

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and 2 min of practive every 20min

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:22 AM

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I dunno tbh I don't like the EM4 fight very much.

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You should just get a practice save at Hades and keep running that.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:22 AM

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guan yu people

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when i get charged skewer

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do i do min charge skewers

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or charge them up more

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Both.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Adapt to your enemy hp

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:23 AM

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hmm ok

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Astaos doesn't know how to fully charge it. He never does it, and then enemies take two hits instead of one. dusa

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:23 AM

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mossy zinc You should just get a practice save at Hades and keep running that.

How?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:25 AM

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Get to Hades, copy your Profile1_Temp.sav, make a second or third profile or whatever, overwrite Profile2.sav with the temp save from your first profile.

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...\Documents\Saved Games\Hades

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I see

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thanks

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I'll think about it

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Give Up whenever you die or succeed so you can just reload and do the fight all over again.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:26 AM

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wait that actually works?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:26 AM

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Yes.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:26 AM

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when i hit give up it put me back at home lol

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i probably did something wrong

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Not if you overwrite your permanent save with a temp save.

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"Give Up" basically just tells your game to load your perm save next time.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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but surprise it's a temp save

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Exactly.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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can you give up if you die?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Yes.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:27 AM

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weird

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Death is my way to give up

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Just gotta do it before it loads the House of Hades.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Sometimes I just swim really deep in lava

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:28 AM

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Keep the sav file backed up somewhere, though, because you'll inevitably mess up sometimes and forget to Give Up in time lol.

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If you grind it long enough.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:28 AM

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I'll keep the option in mind but not too sure about doing it yet

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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When I practiced for 52, I had a EM2 save in slot 2, EM3 in slot 3, and Hades in slot 4.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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GY is kind of fun tbh

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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That I would just boss-rush through over and over.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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you just dont think about how 1 hit will end your run

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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Spent most of time grinding Hades, though.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:29 AM

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i should do that

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:30 AM

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I also had CP2 HL5 HS FO2.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:31 AM

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true fable GY is kind of fun tbh

Yeah kind of, agreed

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:32 AM

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I think the goal for Hades HL5 CP2 should be to beat him reliably with 200 HP or less + Acorn. Otherwise, you'll just run into problems any time you don't see Patroclus or get extra DDs.

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DC2 depending on weapon.

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Basically just make the fight as bad as possible for practice.

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Though if you know you won't take DC in your run with that aspect, don't take DC.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I'm never getting Pat anyway

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:33 AM

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Since that makes a huge difference for his skulls.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:36 AM

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how do i do GY with 50 effective health vs lernie

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just no hit it dusa ?

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:37 AM

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You don't spam dash and make skewers out of lernie's heads

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Line em up

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boom explosion

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:38 AM

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is spin a trap

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it feels like a trap

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:38 AM

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vs Lernie it is

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when heads are up

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I like shredding its hp with Deadly strike tho

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:38 AM

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they look like such juicy lifesteal targets and then

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bam

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oh im doing merciful end lol

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:38 AM

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Also you can spin while they're being summoned

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but honestly just skewer em

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:39 AM

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I only lifesteal on the main head because it's predictable.

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:39 AM

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true fable how do i do GY with 50 effective health vs lernie

Acorn tbh helps a ton.

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Why die in 2 hits when you can die in 7?

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:39 AM

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demeter attack good with guan yu?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:40 AM

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Yes, actually.

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But it's not the core of the build.

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:40 AM

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whats the core boss

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:40 AM

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thunder special obviously for cold fusion

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:40 AM

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You'll want to start with Heartbreak Flourish or Deadly Flourish and aim for Heart Rend, maybe Deadly Reversal.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:41 AM

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should i do ares or athena start

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:41 AM

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But you can't always predict what you get on your run. Heartbreak Flourish with Frost Strike is pretty good if you get good rarity on the Frost Strike.

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For ME? Lady Athena.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:41 AM

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athena start felt fine but ares might be faster?

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idk

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:42 AM

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aight so am I starting aphro or artemis?

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:42 AM

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true fable athena start felt fine but ares might be faster?

I prefer athena

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It's fast enough

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you're getting charged skewer if you're good anyway

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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Hmmm. Pointed Arrowhead tbh. Attack, Special, and Dash are all good.

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Eternal Rose or Owl Pendant in Asphodel depending on what you got etc.

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Ideally, you get a good Deadly Flourish + Heartbreak Strike and get Heart Rend.

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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thanks!

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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With Charged Skewer. That's the ideal.

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:44 AM

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so its mostly specials not attacks?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Special > Dash-Strike x2 is the optimal rotation for DPS.

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If you get Serrated Point early, you'll do more Dash-Strikes than Specials.

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If you get Charged Skewer, you'll do that more.

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Charged Skewer is a lot safer for high heat.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:46 AM

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When i'm done for the day I go for serrated

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and I die in Elysium, peacefully

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:47 AM

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should I use the spin?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:47 AM

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@true fable Owl Pendant gives you early access to Divine Flourish and Divine Dash + DDs etc., and you can swap to Divine Strike spin build if things work out that way or swap to Deadly Reversal.

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Just overall more versatility.

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Curse of Agony just basically locks you into going for ME.

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@mortal mango I'd focus on just using the Special and Dash-Strikes for now, then get a feel for when to throw in regular Attacks, then work in spins.

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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https://i.imgur.com/S8j6Pke.png

Imgur

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can anyone explain how this arrow killed me

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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Although I think, any serious Guan Yu user should get comfortable with spin builds with Massive Spin at least.

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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thats the exact moment of death

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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the arrow hurtbox is on all sides i think

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:49 AM

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wait really

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why

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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you can get hit by the back of the arrow

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at least i have

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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@sly remnant you got hit by the sparkles.

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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holy crap

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i didn't know that

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Sparkles too stronk.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Man

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this arrow looks deadly af

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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Can you tell me what af means?

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:50 AM

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i was dashing away from the final chariot. while the popper eggs exploded

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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No, you can't, because it's an evil word.

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Evil.

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🔫 dusa

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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Evil

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lol

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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bypassing the swear filter again i see

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I ain't

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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someone get em outta here

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:51 AM

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lemme stay

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pls

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Hold your foul tongue, blackguard, and draw your weapon! @true fable and I shall vanquish you! 🔫 dusa

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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i got charged skewer

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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It stands for "all friends"

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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I've read that before

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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It was deadly, all friends

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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theseus RP?

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Because we're all friends here

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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Thanks Mr. Hat

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 AM

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friends? we?

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Yes

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:53 AM

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mortal mango i got charged skewer

You're a real Guan Yu player now.

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:53 AM

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lolol

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:53 AM

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@proud jay would probably still throw the run. But you can do it. I believe in you. squirtnya

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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i wanted to try it and had 15 titans blood sitting around so I maxed it and figured id try a few low heat things

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its pretty cool so far

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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mossy zinc <@!108663629674471424> would probably still throw the run. But you can do it. I ...

D:

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oh today bablo taught me that you can stand in the middle of hades during his beam attack

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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https://tenor.com/view/spit-take-laughing-lmao-gif-9271317

Tenor

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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like wtf

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Oh.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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yeah try that with EM4

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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You did not know that?

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:54 AM

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nope

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

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yeah it's good vs EM4

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

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that would've been suuuuper useful when I was doing 50 and died twice on laser

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

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I just assume everyone who talks in here knows that lol.

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It would have been useful, yeah. zaglol

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:55 AM

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what other tips are there for lowly noob me

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I dunno. You know that Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames? Only empty dashes have i-frames.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Kill Lernie's small heads before the big one

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:56 AM

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Divine Dash is gud.

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 12:56 AM

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dont get hit

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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Come on everything was real advice

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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sometimes if you're having trouble just turn on privileged status since 40 is a bigger number

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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"Don't get hit" is how to play Guan Yu, so it's solid.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:57 AM

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I'm ready

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

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@proud jay forgot to do that. That's why his streak ended.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

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Nice.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

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mossy zinc I dunno. You know that Dash-Strikes don't have i-frames? Only empty dashes have ...

Yeah I found this out the hard way

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 12:58 AM

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can confirm all my runs have been ended by getting hit

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if i simply didnt get hit i would have won

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this is a good tip

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 12:59 AM

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Another good tip is not to revive in magma after you've already used your SD.

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 12:59 AM

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rain sedge oh today bablo taught me that you can stand in the middle of hades during his be...

I learned this from watching spreadsheet heatruns

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and then have always struggled to replicate what they do dusa

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 12:59 AM

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mossy zinc Another good tip is not to revive in magma after you've already used your SD.

Also found this out the hard way

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 12:59 AM

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then again I've barely had time for Hades the past 2 weeks shadegrief

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:00 AM

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I've had 2 weeks holiday and did nothing but play games

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:00 AM

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that sounds sweet

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 1:00 AM

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i only work part time so theres quite some time for hades

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I'm in full lockdown mode so not lacking time for work

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just been coaching a dota team and it's mega crunch time

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afterward tho i'll try to get 32 on all aspects

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 AM

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Dota is literal drugs

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I like to watch Dota and not understanding anything

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 AM

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So is Hades tbf

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 AM

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I've quit 4 years ago, best decision in my life

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Hades made me angry like, 10 out of 200 hours

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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xd fair i can respect that

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Dota.... Like 90% of the time

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I still watch stuff though

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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not a game that is particularly conducive to mental health

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it's gotta be said

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Yeah it's that kind of game

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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but tbh looking back on the player I was

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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can't escape

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:02 AM

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I really was just a headless chicken running around in circles looking for heroes to kill

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when it's actually so much more than that :P

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Hades on the other hand

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 1:03 AM

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how does the spear charging work? does it charge up damage or only range?

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:03 AM

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gaunt fiber can't escape

It took some really bad week to wake me up and realize it's really bad for my life

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:03 AM

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is great for mental health

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 1:03 AM

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I got dd from chaos and epic deadly flourish so the run is basically over just wondering how to play better

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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mortal mango I got dd from chaos and epic deadly flourish so the run is basically over just w...

Wtf

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What heat?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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My problem with Dota is that I love Luna but m terrible at last-hitting and the culture is so toxic that I don't wanna play it with randoms lol.

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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play with friends then

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always a good solution

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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lolol this is my first time playing guan yu so I just did 1 heat. only played one run with spear before to get the prophecy. this is just to get the guan yu prophecy

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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Liking Luna out of all female characters weirdchamp

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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kinda a shame to waste this rng on 1 heat but oh well

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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mortal mango how does the spear charging work? does it charge up damage or only range?

should increase damage by a lot

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 1:04 AM

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She's the best.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:05 AM

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Are you sure you don't mean Lina

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:05 AM

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mortal mango how does the spear charging work? does it charge up damage or only range?

you get up to +200% base damage

mortal mango Dec 3, 2020, 1:05 AM

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yeah im critting for like 900

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:05 AM

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But yea the culture is so toxic, it made me quit. I'm grateful for the super toxic people and smurfs in my last 20 games that finally took me out of it

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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charged skewer is big dam

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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I had something like 4k hours in it? Even more if you count Dota 1? I could've been so good at something that's actually useful to my life

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:06 AM

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Like what

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:09 AM

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Learn a new language? Play a musical instrument?

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Socialise instead of playing Dota?

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Hey

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You can learn russian with dota while socializing

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:11 AM

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WeirdChamp astaos

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 1:11 AM

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Am I wrong?

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Maybe I'm mixing up things with CSGO

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Hey I'm not

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well for both games

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 1:34 AM

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oh god

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i have 8k hours in dota

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i basically spent every moment in college that wasn't school playing dota

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i still watch pro dota cuz its amazing to watch

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 2:04 AM

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What combination of pacts Should I do for heat 32.

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 2:12 AM

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Up to you honestly

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Avoid AP, RI and EM4

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 2:12 AM

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must take points imo are LC4, TD2/3, UC, CF2, EM3, BP1, MM, FO1
that should already be 24

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:12 AM

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LC4 isn’t must take until 40 really

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 2:12 AM

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HS is also not worth it

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:13 AM

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but it’s still a decent option at 32

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i rarely run CF2 for 32 these days as well

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it’s just annoying

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 2:14 AM

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huh really?
i feel like they're pretty free past tartarus

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:14 AM

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still a decent option ofc, but i wouldn’t consider it must take

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it feels freer than it is imo

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once you start paying attention to how much you miss out on it hurts more

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 2:16 AM

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kinda like AP huh

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 2:16 AM

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Wat

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:17 AM

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indeed

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 2:17 AM

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i never realized how much of a pain AP is until i turned it off

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:17 AM

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lol

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 2:17 AM

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I used it once I started spitting blood

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 2:18 AM

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yeah make sure you read the side effects of AP on the side of the bottle before taking it

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they’re pretty rough

gaunt fiber Dec 3, 2020, 2:18 AM

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I did not, my bad

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 2:24 AM

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hl5 is must take imo

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and td2

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 2:26 AM

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... at 32?

dire steppe Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 AM

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yeah

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 2:40 AM

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HL5?

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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hey yall, i dont know how many of you actually submit to SRC but the mods are having a vote on what to do with post-patch stuff

unique zephyr Dec 3, 2020, 2:45 AM

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For some reason 1 benefits package is fine but 2 is brutal for me

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 2:46 AM

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it's in the speedrun discord if you want to have input on it if you have runs on the board right now

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:49 AM

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There are no "must takes" at 32.

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You can do HL0 just fine. When I practiced 50 Heat Zag Fists in Blood Price, I dropped down to 45 by just going from HL5 to HL0 and did WR with Talos at the time first try.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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i only take HL5 at 32 when doing speedruns lol

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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So HL5 is certainly not a must take at 32.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 2:50 AM

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there are so much easier pacts to take

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:51 AM

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Yeah, HL5 and things like that help you dodge JS etc. at 32.

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With something like Hestia you can do HL5 easily because it doesn't matter how hard enemies can theoretically hit if you snipe them from fullscreen before they ever get a chance to do that anyway lol.

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Although HL5 FO2 would change that quite a bit.

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Welp trying 50 heat now

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JS2 RI1 AP2 or AP1 JS3 RI2?

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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AP1 RI2 JS3

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You don't want AP2 if you can avoid it

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Alright sounds good

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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And if you invest in RI, might as well go to 2

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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Gonna suck without the gold, health, or damage but I think I can probably get past Asphodel without too much issue

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 3:07 AM

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What's the rest of the pact like

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:08 AM

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Everything maxed out except CP0 EM3 RI2 AP1

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 3:09 AM

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Could consider going EM4 instead of RI2

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You'll have access to the full mirror at 'least

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:09 AM

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TD might be an issue and haven't practiced against EM4 but I'll probably practice EM4 FO2 a bit then start adding things like HL and TD to get used to it

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Sounds like a plan

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:10 AM

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Got the epic lightning strike so not gonna back down now but I think I'll be set

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 3:12 AM

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is this for achilles ketchup?

loud coral Dec 3, 2020, 3:12 AM

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Yep

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Not sure if I should go cast builds again or just do attacks like what I did for 45

unique zephyr Dec 3, 2020, 3:30 AM

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Am I the only one who finds benefit package 2 way more threatening than benefits package 1?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 3:32 AM

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I don't even run BP1 tbh so I couldn't tell you.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 3:33 AM

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wait you don't

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 3:34 AM

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BP2 or BP0.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 3:34 AM

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kind of funny that the idea of just not using BP1 has never entered my head

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LOL

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 3:34 AM

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I did one run with BP1 yesterday, and it just felt really weird lol.

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I had no idea how to gauge enemies. Like is this guy a threat with this one perk, or should I treat him like he's free? Very weird.

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I felt more comfortable going back to BP2 lol.

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At least I know what's up with BP2 combos.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:02 AM

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maybe TD2 is for intellectuals

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im starting to believe in the retrash pacts

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:05 AM

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which aspect should I try for big number 5 of the streak?

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:09 AM

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you already did guan yu huh

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:09 AM

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not on this streak

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:10 AM

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GY then squirtdevious

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:10 AM

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alright time to say goodbye to the streak

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:10 AM

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LOL

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or arthur 🙂

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pick ur poison

hollow lynx Dec 3, 2020, 4:12 AM

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zag rail 🙂

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:12 AM

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luci would also be cool

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since i have no idea how to use that weapon without getting discombobulated by bp2 dracons and witches

hollow lynx Dec 3, 2020, 4:16 AM

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divine flourish, mostly

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triple bomb is very much needed

wraith imp Dec 3, 2020, 4:21 AM

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From sheer experimentation, i've finally figured out how to make rama zeus special to be ridiculous again (similar to how it was pre-nerf):

apparently all it takes is double strike (preferably epic but even common version with just one pom upgrade gtom 25% to 35ish% is enough).

and then, to make it just silly...take zeus aid plus clouded judgement.

rama is one of the few aspects where you can hold down the special button and it will repeat fire. so it allows you to focus on dashing.

by constantly firing special, aid charges up really quickly especially with clouded judgment buffing the increase. in essence, it becomes a virtuous cycle.

End result: PROFIT.

/Obviously, splitting bolt helps as does sea storm preferably on dash (yes, i know splash dash storm build has been nerfed by removing tidal dash as pre-req a la divine dash no longer pre-req for merciful end but sea storm still procs on dash if you get sea storm just like merciful end still procs on divine dash) .

Warning: this rama zeus special build might induce a seizure for some especially with high voltage because looking at the thicccccc bolts is like staring into a strobe light.

*tl, dr version: double strike is a must to optimize for rama zeus special build, follow that up with zeus aid, also try for clouded judgment

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:27 AM

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"all it takes is double strike" is quite the caveat

hollow lynx Dec 3, 2020, 4:41 AM

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now imagine old rama zeus with double strike

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:47 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/783917261911228436/unknown.png the streak lives squirtyay

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:52 AM

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dang

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athena start?

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 4:52 AM

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Bruh

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GY to rub it in for Bablo huh

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:52 AM

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yeah I pretty much had to go athena start

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:53 AM

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im curious about CP1 vs JS2

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:53 AM

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Hell mode*

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:53 AM

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right

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LOL

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i always forget

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 4:54 AM

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How important is Charged Skewer there?

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Would you make it had you not get that hammer?

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:54 AM

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this run? probably not

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so yeah very important

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 4:55 AM

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Gotcha. Can't believe people are doing streaks on 40 and 45 heat

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Yikes

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:56 AM

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Streak will probably die on Arthur

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:56 AM

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RIP

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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I'll try it out tomorrow

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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retrash do you stream at all?

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or is that just not your thing

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 4:57 AM

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nope, I don't really know how to set that up

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 4:58 AM

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darn

wraith imp Dec 3, 2020, 4:59 AM

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true fable "all it takes is double strike" is quite the caveat

is it? use rerolls if necessary.

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i mean...converting rama into a WMD (weapon of mass destruction) with only 2 boons doesn't seem like a high cost and is relatively easy to set-up until you start getting into 45+ heat runs

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:01 AM

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i mean

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rama is already a WMD with deadly strike

wraith imp Dec 3, 2020, 5:02 AM

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ah, i see where you're coming from.

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so let me provide some context from my end:

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the way i noticed rama was from hoheristo's zeus special run using rama pre-nerf. I missed out on that because it was patched quickly after his run brought attention to its devastating effectiveness.

so i've been searching for a way to replicate it post nerf.

ledger's and tailesque's runs with deadly strike opened my eyes to how amazing rama is with artemis so i jumped on board. heck, you don't even need a boon. rama attack/dash attack is so good that you could complete 40+ heat runs boonless thanks to 80% shackles.

but i couldn't let go of the nagging desire to find a way to replicate hoheristo's build and i finally came close tonight.

so i wasn't advocating for zeus special over artemis attack/dash attack on rama. it's not an either/or in my mind. I was just trying to make up for a lost opportunity.

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:06 AM

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fair

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i like zeus special rama

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fwiw i think ledger also likes rama special builds

wraith imp Dec 3, 2020, 5:09 AM

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i struggled on 20+ heat with rama special builds (zeus, demeter, dio) until i somehow realized (after about 75ish freaking runs) that you could simply hold down the special button on rama and it would repeat fire. I was FLOORED. (It's one of the few aspects with a repeat fire.)

I sardonically thanked Amir for the great explanations on the hidden mechanics of the game.
/It was my fault for not experimenting enough.

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 5:11 AM

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Hey @true fable what was Kate's twitch name?

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:12 AM

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i'll dm you

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 5:12 AM

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k

vivid crater Dec 3, 2020, 5:34 AM

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what's the timing to dodge the spear throw from hades on extreme 4 + forced overtime 40%?

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it's like the only move i can't react to at this point

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 5:35 AM

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Short. Athena dash to deflect it is much easier

vivid crater Dec 3, 2020, 5:36 AM

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there's no pattern right? doesn't come out absolutely after move [x] and such

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 5:37 AM

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Which phase? Cause there's a different timing for each

vivid crater Dec 3, 2020, 5:37 AM

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does it? it looked like it was just as fast phase 1 as phase 3

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the spins were faster in phase 3

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 5:38 AM

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Phase 3 he'll always throw 3 skulls then throw the spear or he'll do it at the end of his swing combo

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phase 1 he can throw it randomly

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phase 2 he'll only throw the spear at the end of his combo

vivid crater Dec 3, 2020, 5:38 AM

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hm, noted, thanks

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:39 AM

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phase 2 he always does swing-> swing-> throw?

north dove Dec 3, 2020, 5:39 AM

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or swing > swing > spin

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:41 AM

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hmm ok

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gonna keep a save file for that fight

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think i need em4 for beowulf

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 7:51 AM

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Is it bad that in struggling in heat 28. And just got annihilated in the hades fight?

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 7:55 AM

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is it em4?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 7:55 AM

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It's bad if you want to do 28 Heat because you're losing.

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But it doesn't mean you're bad. The fight is hard. squirtnya

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Maybe lower pacts that affect the fight: HL CP DC FO HS.

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 7:57 AM

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Yea it is em4 @cedar thistle

And ok.

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 7:57 AM

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em4 isn't easy

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especially with FO

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Which I had maxed as well

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 7:58 AM

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Yeah, not doing EM4 could already solve that, probably.

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 7:58 AM

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EM4 FO2 on 28 heat shadeohboy

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 7:59 AM

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But if you want to do EM4, it's honestly just a lot of practice. Maybe try different summons or make changes to your build.

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 7:59 AM

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Good morning guys!

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 7:59 AM

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do you need to complete em4 or jsut experience 3rd phase to unlock the music 🤔

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:00 AM

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em4 without too high heat is very doable

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:00 AM

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I was trying to do heat 32 but benefits package I find even more difficult than extreme measures. I beat em4. I haven't beat hades with benefits package.

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:00 AM

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Check the leaderboard for any videos of your aspect of choice that did EM4.

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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does bp affect em4?

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Minions

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Or how they deal with BP2.

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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Not sure.

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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No, his summons can't have perks.

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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i c

shy plinth Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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EM4 FO2 seems like a really punishing combination, especially under 32

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:01 AM

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But I believe EM4 has different summons right? The annoying fast ones

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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it can summon the sneak

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Yeah that dude

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:02 AM

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HL CP DC FO HS EM4 are the only pacts that affect the Hades fight. Maybe JS, m never quite sure.

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I am trying to push my heat. But everybody says bp2 Which I find to be the hardest heat in the game imo

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Try railgun

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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Bp2

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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TD affects it indirectly.

cedar thistle Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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are you dash strike-power shotting?

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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just take whatever weapon you're good at

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:03 AM

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I like that yeah

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Learning a bit of hera now tho

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hera? The self absorb one

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Eris.

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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^

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Hera is a bow lol.

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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I usually do. The only weapon i dont like even one aspect of is the spear.

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:04 AM

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Oh yeah I knew I made a mistake

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Guan is good!

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Just dont get hit 😛

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 8:05 AM

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achilles is fantastic

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so is hades spear

tight flax Dec 3, 2020, 8:06 AM

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I dont think they are bad. I just dont enjoy using them all too often

static dock Dec 3, 2020, 8:06 AM

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I have the same so I'm stuck to railgun 😛

proud jay Dec 3, 2020, 8:39 AM

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45 err 40 heat continues, arthur pls

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 8:40 AM

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pog

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 12:52 PM

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Time for Bablo to 1 shot The Diogenes

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Starting off messy, with Ares attack, using bow.

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:01 PM

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tight flax Yea it is em4 <@104218997209206784> And ok.

To help you feel better, I've beaten 32 a couple of times, yet when I do EM4+ FO2 with nothing else (for a cool 16 heat), I still died twice

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EM4 is not ez

terse pecan Dec 3, 2020, 1:12 PM

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is acorn bis on 40+ past tartarus?

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 1:16 PM

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A lot of people take Acorn for Elysium + Styx

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they'll take a god keepsake to add a god in act 2 or take coin purse

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but if you find yourself needing acorn for act 2

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why not

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 1:17 PM

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god > Owl Pendant > Acorn > Acorn
Owl Pendant > god > Acorn > Acorn
god/Owl Pendant > Acorn/Coin Purse > Acorn > Acorn

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I guess like that.

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 1:30 PM

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pastel badge Time for Bablo to 1 shot The Diogenes

It wasn't 1 shot 🙏

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 1:35 PM

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if you're using EM4 take spearpoint

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 1:44 PM

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terse pecan is acorn bis on 40+ past tartarus?

nah meta is shackle all the way atm

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also don’t take boons, they’re overrated

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 1:54 PM

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That is correct.

formal lagoon Dec 3, 2020, 1:57 PM

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about to attempt EM4 for the first time wish me luck

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 1:59 PM

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Salute

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 2:04 PM

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can someone knowledgeable help me out with how the old meg keepsake works?

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if I enter the room with <30% HP, do I get the bonus?

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let's say I suicide to lava, trigger SD, and take 1 more point of damage to proc it

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if I enter the next room, is it on?

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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Yes.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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thanks nya

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:07 PM

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The problem was always with SD rounding up at .5 and putting you above 30%.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 2:16 PM

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alright lets see how fun is this curse of drowning

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guess the answer is not very much

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you lose a lot of the knockback advantage

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and exit wounds

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:36 PM

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I think it's finally going to be beaten 😓

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Finally going to be beaten? Has no one beaten the challenge yet?

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Not yet

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Bablo might do it right now, on the final phase of Hades with Shield

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3rd attempt

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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diogenyes challenge?

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Yea

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 2:39 PM

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nya this sounds like right up your alley

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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That's weird. It doesn't sound very difficult tbh.

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Maybe I'll try it if it's difficult for people. I kind of wasn't too interested because it sounded so easy lol.

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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It's deceptively difficult, as long as you can do Hades you should be fine

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It's done, he beat it

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 2:40 PM

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I've done mirrorless boonless, so I dunno lol.

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Grats to him.

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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i just think people weren't grinding it that much

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:41 PM

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Definitely

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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now an EM4 diogenyes.....

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 2:45 PM

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My Inferno challenge i'm creating has EM4, it's going to be a 32 heat one.

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I hope Diogenes gets more people into high heat stuff

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I have some ideas for a Diogenes+

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But i think i'll leave it as is. Because the more you add the less identity it will have, and will assimilate itself with general difficulty.

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 3:12 PM

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What is this challenge?

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 3:14 PM

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I have it documented here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GC6usKK7_B7h_H2nE4XXkSZ1iVYZa9q_n64VtlFCdog/edit?usp=sharing

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Doesn't seem completely awful since you can heal. I imagine I would try it with zag bow.

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But, challenges like that are not my particular cup of tea

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:17 PM

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wait is it not actually boonless

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 3:17 PM

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no its not

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you can still use boons

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:18 PM

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huh

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kinda tempted to try it then, even tho it’s still demonstrably beyond my skill level

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 3:18 PM

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It's only 19 heat, what could go wrong?

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:18 PM

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lol true

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 3:18 PM

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if you have good mechanics play with FO2 a lot it will not be that bad

pastel badge Dec 3, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Not being used to FO0 might be rough

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:19 PM

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yeah true i was just thinking that

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 3:20 PM

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nah FO0 is a joke

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:20 PM

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oh lol no i was just thinking the previous comment

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doubt FO0 can really mess me up that much

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no EM3 will prolly be the heat i miss the most

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 3:25 PM

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at what heat do you guys turn on FO2 EM4

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i’m considering if training for it is worth it

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 3:28 PM

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You never have to turn it on. I did 56 heat on Monday without it.

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 3:28 PM

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it's certainly an experience

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Or you can do it if you like the fight and want the 4 extra heat. Retrash always has it on it seems

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So if you learn the fight well then it gives you a big heat boost. It's still always a risk though

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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yeah
guess i’ll keep it on for now

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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i would say FO2 isn't required until 40+. EM4 is aspect dependent. most don't want it until 45+ or 50+

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i recommend turning FO2 on and never turning it off

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:30 PM

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the problem with EM4 FO2 for drills is that the only thing you have to work for is the hades fight

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the rest of the run isn’t particularly good practice

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 3:31 PM

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yeah
i want to make a setup for the not pushing heat run

no harm in fo2 em4
except gil and hera staying in 1 lv till the end of time

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:32 PM

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if you wanted to you could make a save file for just the hades fight tho ig, rather than wasting time doing complete FO2 EM4 runs

rancid stirrup Dec 3, 2020, 3:33 PM

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also SD actually ruined me
i cant use DD now

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eld

edgy arrow Dec 3, 2020, 3:33 PM

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same

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:02 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/784087089356079104/ap2_pog.png?width=1251&height=703

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it's payback for forcing cursed slash on me

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oh right, you can't get one if you have SD

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....haha 🙂

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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?

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no i believe that DD stacks just fine

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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...wait, can't you? I don't know actually this is my first time getting one with SD

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do I have to die in the chamber I get my reward?

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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i'm almost certain its fine

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like skelly tooth

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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like the athena boon?

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hmm 🤔 guess i'll find out

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:03 PM

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i'm like

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99% sure

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i would never have doubted it unless you said something

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:05 PM

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lol well

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we'll know for sure in a few chambers

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:07 PM

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yeah it adds

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:08 PM

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okay that is a relief

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woo 🙂

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:09 PM

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im 100% sure because I got that today

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:09 PM

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it's weird that with the athena DD you have to lose it first in the room, idk why they don't just let it add on top of SD. It only frustrates if you forget/are in a room without traps

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:09 PM

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it was unintentional interaction

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a bug that became a feature

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apparent amir found out about that interaction from this channel

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we're abusers basically

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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i wonder if it was originally intended to add one no matter what, or never give you one with SD

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:10 PM

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i think more than likely they made the two without consideration for the other

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:11 PM

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my guess is that the empty spot above your bar is considered a death defiance. "oh, it's empty? here, have it back."

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you go into the next room, it checks for stubborn specifically, and says "oh, you don't have one? here have it back."

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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^i would assume this is the case

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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athena's acts as a replenish, but chaos's acts as an addition to the bar

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:12 PM

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and the code was never updated when they added stubborn defiance

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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ah yeah that would make sense

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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since they probably wrote the design for the purple mirror first

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@misty hamlet i love pseudocode in the form of natural language

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:13 PM

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bruh this run

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i got cursed slash and wanted to cry, but now i have skellytooth, chaos, an Athena, and my SD as well

neat furnace Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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which sword?

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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going into elysium :0

mossy zinc Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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All thanks to Cursed Slash.

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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zagspect

neat furnace Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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and try and get flurry slash

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you are on the path to immortality

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:14 PM

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AP2 is evil, but at least you have the attack speed buff

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:15 PM

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AP2 is....a different beast

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:17 PM

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well you have a 1/11 chance to get flurry slash as your second hammer, at least, with AP2

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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😦

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i got 4 sacked

neat furnace Dec 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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f

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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f

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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going into dad with 0 seconds and no DDs left wish me luck glorySuffer

neat furnace Dec 3, 2020, 4:34 PM

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shadeohboy

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:35 PM

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i managed to phase him once lol

neat furnace Dec 3, 2020, 4:35 PM

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nice

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:35 PM

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oh well

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50 heat is a punk

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:39 PM

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misty hamlet i got 4 sacked

100% empathise with you btw

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whats your project now wobbles

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:43 PM

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50 heating everything

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i've been on zag sword for over a week

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turns out stubborn defiance is really good

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because i'm doing a lot better now that i'm trying it lol

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:43 PM

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LMFAO

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wobbles has fallen

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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retrash is your go-to man for zag sword

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ok real question

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I'm doing boonless

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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it wouldn't be so bad if this damn sword actually did damage

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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what happens with UC if I have no boons to sell?

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:44 PM

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but when i play to keep my DD with something as weak as zag sword then i just run out of time

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also @rain sedge no idea, i assume it just lets you through

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I'm gonna try to use the room reroll rather than the option reroll

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to re-roll when I get a room with boon

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I dont know if you can even do that

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:47 PM

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i don't see why not?

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with ap2 i would probably be using room rerolls if it weren't for wanting to reroll my UC

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:47 PM

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I wonder if the game will eventually force you to a boon

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 4:47 PM

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but then, it takes time to sit there and reroll the rooms so gloryShrug

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:48 PM

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im running ap2 yea

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:49 PM

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yes the game will force you to get a boon eventually

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unless you somehow manage to dodge every single miniboss

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:49 PM

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miniboss is always a boon?

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 4:49 PM

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100%

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 4:49 PM

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in that case, not AP2 then

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maybe turning off dark foresight too

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huh.... does chaos boon that gives + gold considered as a boon?

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the avoiding boons part is harder than the gameplay lol

solemn pulsar Dec 3, 2020, 4:53 PM

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you can't sell them, so i don't think chaos boons are considered boons

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EII4JSLNcw

you can skip through this to see decision points. basically reroll boon doors if no other option, and when forced to take a boon at any point, either pick one with no affect on your play until you sell it, or stop using the attack/special/cast/call if you have no choice

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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Chaos is a boon, bouldy is a boon. Can't take either

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 5:04 PM

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it's too much effort I give up

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I could do it if I just never get a boon but

ripe crane Dec 3, 2020, 5:05 PM

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You will get several boons. Just have to not make use of them

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Which is why AP2 is not recommended

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Yeah... It's hard

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Anyway, let's say I buy the pc version, and use someone else's hell mode save

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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its just hammers right

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thats all you can use

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 5:11 PM

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Is that going to be valid for leaderboards?

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Or does it have to be your save file

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And can I cheat to get darkness for mirrors, gem, etc etc

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 5:13 PM

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people have been downloading maxed saves since forever, said saves are even listed as resources in speedrun.com

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I say go nuts.

rain sedge Dec 3, 2020, 5:14 PM

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Neat, I might do Eris 53 that way and record it

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:20 PM

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theres no maxed hell mode save though

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unless someone wants to drop theirs

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:31 PM

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So Wobbles has given in to SDs, and I start practising DDs

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what

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:36 PM

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do we know the exact requirements for the "no boons" dialogue?

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just no boons at hades?

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cuz i might try a meme hoarding slash build when i do it

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:37 PM

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Just no boons at hades, yeah

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:37 PM

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but i'll want ocean's bounty when i do it

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for maximum meme

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:37 PM

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lmao

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:39 PM

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can we get a huge catch challenge category

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also im fed up with 40+ heat beowulf

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making temp saves for each of the boss fights at EM4/FO2/CP2

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 5:40 PM

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@honest kernel well, it's really about trying to be zippy with TD3

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i was able to do DDs easily enough on lucifer rail because i'm already sitting away from enemies

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:41 PM

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everything always comes back to TD3

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 5:41 PM

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but zag sword just

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ironically

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is'n't cutting it

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:41 PM

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I can already go to Elysium at 57 heat with SDs

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If i can do it with DDs

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I just increase my chances against the heroes a ton

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Since I won't have to rely on Athena

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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do you do it without losing those SDs though

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I can

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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tbf

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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it's about getting THROUGH elysium with the DDs still though

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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In fact, in my practise runs I've been no-hitting Tartarus

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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that's the tricky part

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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and come close even more times

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:42 PM

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if you can go the whole run without losing an SD/DD they're just the same dusa

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:43 PM

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I think I could get away with it on Zeus shield

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We'll have to see

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BP is going to be extra rough

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But I'm confident with enough practise I could do it

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Since the real bottleneck for me has been the Heroes fight themselves

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Not even Hades is that difficult, even with CP2

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Having the extra guaranteed buffer against them, even if it's just one extra DD, is what I want

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:45 PM

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friendship ended with SDs

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DDs are now my best friend

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:45 PM

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lol

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either 2 or 3 sack I could work with

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Anything more than that and the run's over tho LOL

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:48 PM

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my 45 heat clear with beo was a 4 sack

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woulda been sub 15 without it shadedisgruntled

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Well

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Did your pact max everything but EM4 and RI4

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:49 PM

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lol no

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:49 PM

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because I'm sure as hell Beo doesn't get anywhere if there's any RI

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:49 PM

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lol correct

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:52 PM

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i dont trust RI/AP on beo

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i just dont really feel like playing with AP1

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a beo clear with AP1 just means you rammed your head against the wall until the pieces fell into place

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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lol i don't have a choice at 50

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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yeah i dont think there is one either

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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CF is too valuable

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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hence i am learning the superdad fight

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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i think gold is soooo valuable

proud jay Dec 3, 2020, 5:54 PM

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CF is a nasty one

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:55 PM

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esp because with beo there are a lot of good well optionis

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:56 PM

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So

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https://gyazo.com/8b8196a6292babf6042704a66175b909

Gyazo

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This is what I can expect my Tartarus to look like

proud jay Dec 3, 2020, 5:56 PM

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oh man the beam

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:56 PM

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lol

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Sold it

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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at least you get boiling blood again bouldy

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looking at your pact just makes me miserable

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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you can even get rid of the shackle now

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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if he gets out its the heat record yea?

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 5:58 PM

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yeah

tidal flame Dec 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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gamer strong

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 5:59 PM

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No this one

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Because apparently the stomper can HIT YOU TWICE WHAT

brazen skiff Dec 3, 2020, 6:00 PM

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im watching you guys beat hades with max heat and im struggling with 16

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😔

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 6:01 PM

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misty hamlet https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/784087089356079104/a...

Haha finally a win for the good guys. Screwu AP2

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 6:04 PM

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I take 2 hits from Hydra

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But lose 2 death defieances to the Power Couple

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what the hell

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 6:07 PM

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a little fun tidbit

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apparently the type of hydra is rolled after you enter endshop

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so if you keep a tempsave of you entering endshop you can practice all 4

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 6:08 PM

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theres only one worth practicing

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 6:08 PM

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blue?

sly remnant Dec 3, 2020, 6:08 PM

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yep

true fable Dec 3, 2020, 6:08 PM

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i think orange warrants some practice tbh

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at least with HS

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 6:16 PM

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Died to the bull because apparently you can block and get hit at the same time by his swing ?

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And then this run

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https://gyazo.com/0e866397bf2e6f354474c6fea1675982

Gyazo

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H Y P E R S

cinder cave Dec 3, 2020, 6:20 PM

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zooooooooooooooom

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never seen a heroic hyper sprint before zagluv

misty hamlet Dec 3, 2020, 6:21 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/784122122028580904/zagsword50.png?width=1240&height=703

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yesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

honest kernel Dec 3, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Poggers