RI4 HL5 LC4 EM4
#h1-high-heat-strategies
true fable
gaunt fiber
no mirror
loud coral
inb4 supergiant adds a 6th tunnel for optimal 6sacks
rain sedge
HIS INVULN PHASE TOOK LIKR 40 HP
true fable
good beginner setup
rain sedge
I cant do this
true fable
can we pin that setup
rain sedge
like
honest kernel
Schad. Calm down
small tusk
love you guys, even if youg guys talking in different lang. know 1 thing - Putin is a dum6ass
honest kernel
...
gaunt fiber
Lost soul
mossy zinc
RI4 HL5 LC4 EM4
I like the way you think.
rain sedge
actually malding so hard
true fable
anyban speedrun 
rain sedge
this is almost worst than the poseidon one
splitting bolt and epic every zeus boon
I need literally 10 more seconds, he's on his last phase
loud coral
I am not aware of the Poseidon one, enlighten me
rain sedge
i died mid special animation on poseidon 40, got exit wounds, hades was at 5% HP
loud coral
I like this
rain sedge
actually in tears wtf was that 5 sac
mossy zinc
My best runs are almost always when I don't talk to anybody and just do my own thing at my own pace.
gaunt fiber
My best runs are
true fable
like bouldy
mossy zinc
Be Bouldy, my friend.—Bruce Lee
loud coral
Absolute worst death aside from the urn one was a 45 attempt I streamed to some of my friends, has the perfect setup but 5sack and darkness spam made it so I died when Dad was like 4 hits away from dying
loud coral
Oh I malded
Glad my mic wasn't working that day else I would've channeled the power of every single MW2 lobby into that one death
honest kernel
Trying to clear high heat stuff in this game doesn't sound healthy AT ALL, when looking at this channel
mossy zinc
If it makes you feel any better, we've all had stupid deaths like that aplenty.
loud coral
Then I took up some random bad build I slapped together and beat 45 heat at like 1am 
rain sedge
5 sac isnt healthy
true fable
i think my most tilting one was dragon rushing lernie with beo
loud coral
2sacks make any run doable I swear
gaunt fiber
ultra instinct lernie
mossy zinc
m very sure @honest kernel had way more stupid deaths to stupid things at 50+ than clears.
rain sedge
i feel like getting 5 sacced isnt my stupidity tho
ripe crane
It's the game's stupidity
mossy zinc
I like when I have a perfect run with a complete build through Tartarus, and the first Asphodel chamber is Speeder Slam-Dancers on the small map with the tiny islands.
true fable
its the speeder slugger wavemakers that snipe me from off screen for me
mossy zinc
WHERE ARE YOU GOING, YOU CAN'T RUN FROM US, TAKE THIS BOMB. HAHAHA. YOU THOUGHT YOU DODGED BUT NOW YOU STEPPED ON MAGMA AND DIED, SAY HI TO HYPNOS, LOSER.—Speeder Slam-Dancers, probably
true fable
we should have the "thank you for suffering!" worked into our channel branding somewhere
feel like it applies
mossy zinc
its the speeder slugger wavemakers that snipe me from off screen for me
For real. Unspoken high-heat strat is fight all your enemies horizontally because once they go vertical, you'll get killed from off-screen.
loud coral
BP giving you Speeder Cloner enemies 3 times in a row on your Hestia run is just soooooo fun isn't it
mossy zinc
You have a rail.
loud coral
Then you go Zeus Eris and it's all Bruiser
mossy zinc
And Tartarus enemies have no HP.
loud coral
Speeder Cloner mages still make me tense up when I see anything round and purple
honest kernel
For real. Unspoken high-heat strat is fight all your enemies horizontally becaus...
Wait, since when ?
loud coral
Seeking Fire doesn't mean anything when there's 3 clones blocking one mage
mossy zinc
You have more screen space horizontally than vertically.
ripe crane
Wavemakers are just there to eat your time as they endlessly leap back and forth across the hectare-sized Asphodel maps
true fable
crepes you mean you dont like maps the size of pangaea
ripe crane
I actually don't, no
mossy zinc
Dash through the clones next to the real one, kill the real one, ignore the others.
Or just pew-pew-pew with Rail.
@honest kernel I think I've only recently started doing that more consciously. You need to be way more careful when moving up or down than when moving left or right.
honest kernel
I've got to be more cautious myself of what I am doing
Basically getting away with blindly rushing
Not gonna cut it for CP2 bosses
true fable
this is reminding me of the camera manipulation tricks in ssbm
i should definitely try to fight hades more left-right
mossy zinc
Probably doesn't matter too much when fighting Hades but definitely for enemies like Greatshields. You don't want them to linger just above your screen.
true fable
i think it gives more reaction time for the skulls
mossy zinc
I think it's something you kinda do unconsciously already.
Yeah for sure. Just the map is very horizontal, I think.
true fable
true
honest kernel
Rewatching my videos
I'm way too aggro
Could be playing those fights a lot safer
Without losing too much time
honest kernel
And the one in my video
Accorn-less, with 63 HP
And that's because I mega-slowed the fight down
Was careless in the beginning, took damage, death defy down, slowed it down A lot, took less damage
When I get back to practise runs, I should do DDs instead
honest kernel
Hmm Hmm
mossy zinc
Practice with RI4.
honest kernel
Also an idea
But unrealistic of me
Since I will have some ammount of death defiance in my setup
honest kernel
Not interested in doing more fights with ye 'old shopkeeper, thanks
sly remnant
i really wish this game had an actual speedup mechanic that wasn't charon
mossy zinc
I would legit consider that with Hestia on TD2 if I knew what to spend my money on.
honest kernel
Well I consider the fight to be way more dangerous/time consuming then most rooms, until like late Elysium, and even then
mossy zinc
Hestia though.
honest kernel
With Hestia, sure
sly remnant
beo can do it too
the problem is the fight doesn't actually increase your speed that much
honest kernel
Time is like the biggest cost of the fight
honest kernel
In a way that's time-gaining, anyways
sly remnant
also its a fight that doesn't help you immediately
so you need to take a lot of time and do it early
or take a little time and not benefit at all
its just a net loss unless you are high rolling in asphodel i think
honest kernel
If the fight stopped the timer
sly remnant
and if you are high rolling....whats charon gonna get you
honest kernel
NOW that would be a consideration
sly remnant
its still a mediocre payoff
true fable
i just thought it was a funny category
true fable
i think current wr for loyalty card is 3:37? uncontested ofc
sly remnant
but the charon fight just does not make sense in an actual run
tidal flame
i love this game
You love this game? Name every hammer.
true fable
uhhh repulse shot
sly remnant
its the very definition of win more and not in a good way
fun fight tho
wish i had a reason to actually do it besides memes
true fable
yeah i dont think the fight was made with high heat/speed in mind
spring kettle
You can beat Charon fight in Tartarus but you need actual skill to avoid his big hits
sly remnant
i mean was it even made with regualr speed in time
spring kettle
I’ve only beat him in elysium
tidal flame
Charon on HL5 and SD means you get to be hit twice
true fable
its also a very roguelike thing to be able to fight the shopkeeper
tidal flame
Cries in Enter the Gungeon
sly remnant
and i love the actual fight itself
spring kettle
And that the shopkeeper fight is difficult
sly remnant
it just doesn't ever make sense in hades
in most other roguelikes there are times its actually makes sense
proud jay
You dont even get 3 exits like you do in erebus gates
sly remnant
^another issue
spring kettle
And it doesn’t tell you what you’re exiting to
ripe crane
I have considered taking charon fight in late Elyseum
Decided I wasn't familiar enough with it to know if it would be worth or not
ripe crane
Blood
ripe crane
It was actually for the time save over a regular room
sly remnant
and that is a consideration
sly remnant
but you are still throwing away a reward essentially to avoid a room and get thrown into a random room you have no control over
so maybe a chamber 33 (is that the last shop one idr) is the only one that would ever make sense
and you'd have to not see the miniboss in the next room
ripe crane
You get to see the room rewards before taking the gold sack. I feel like at that point I barely care what room reward I get.
sly remnant
sure but you are just getting chucked in blind
you have no idea what room you are going into when you beat charon
ripe crane
I'm not sure how that matters
ripe crane
Trials are shorter than normal late Elyseum rooms so that would be cool.
honest kernel
Imagine if it could throw you in an Erebus Gate right after lmao
ripe crane
I could miss the miniboss anyway
sly remnant
a late elysium charon is probably the only one that makes sense
bu tyou are still throwing away a reward
like if you think "i can beat charon it will save me time"
did you need charon in the first place
ripe crane
You know you can, like, see the rewards that you'd be skipping to fight Charon. You can make the decision then if it's worth it to fight him or take what's in the next room
sly remnant
no i understand that
my point is that the situation is very niche
and not at all what i think charon is supposed to be
mossy zinc
I think Charon in Tartarus with Hestia and Shackle might make sense if you're good at the fight and use TD2.
But then you gotta figure out what to do with all that money.
ripe crane
Upgrade to a diamond-studded shackle
honest kernel
Get more nectar for Bouldy
sly remnant
if you got +1 cast in the first room of tartarus on dio beo and saw him in mid shop i'd consider it
but its still insanely long
and i can't control where i come out
and 20% is
pretty low
but again my point....SUPER niche
ripe crane
Chaos isn't "supposed" to be a room that you enter solely to save time and just hope for a non-detrimental curse, but anytime you have AP and RI on that's what it turns into. High heat requires you to play at least somewhat outside of the box.
If Charon can potentially save time, it's worth assessing
sly remnant
except chaos has a chance at giving you a reward thats actually useful
ripe crane
Time is a reward
rain sedge
my head still hurts from anger of the last run
I'm gonna check out and hope tomorrow I don't get 5 sacced
this game really is bad for me lol
honest kernel
"Satyr Sack detector"
tidal flame
you spend your time fighting him instead of tunnels though
rain sedge
I would take that instead of the discount card
no, but at least that's guaranteed
you can plan around it that way
tidal flame
guaranteed 1 sac is worth
sly remnant
well the idea is you do charon when it wouldn't be too much of a time loss
rain sedge
AND you're guaranteed patty, because you save chamber number
rain sedge
I will take that all the time at high heat
sly remnant
i'd give a lot for an elysium charon that guaranteed a 2 sac
rain sedge
anyway, sac mechanic is screwed up, easily worst thing in an otherwise perfect game
tidal flame
anyway, sac mechanic is screwed up, easily worst thing in an otherwise perfect g...
SGG listened. Everything is now 5 sack.
rain sedge
I mean what they need is to give some control to players over the number of sacs
ripe crane
If SGG gave us speedrun mode with a fixed # of sacks, what is a fair number? Should it always be 2? What about 3?
tidal flame
2
rain sedge
it's like game design 101. RNG is fine, as long as it's not ultimately detrimental to the success of the action.
tidal flame
because if 3 people won't do speedrun mode, they will just RNG 2 sack normal still
rain sedge
because players have to feel some control over their decision
even things like making the room reroll being able to roll for sac would be fine, because even though it's RNG, players have control over it
tidal flame
RNG is fine, as long as it's not ultimately detrimental to the success of the action.
Thing is sack doesn't matter for like 90% of the time, if not more.
rain sedge
or maaaaybe, maaaaybe I'm just really salty about the last run
would've had it even with 4 sac btw
tidal flame
It matters for TD3
rain sedge
over TD time btw
tidal flame
And God knows how many people run it.
honest kernel
Some speedrunners do. High heat nutters do. That's about it
sly remnant
i mean i think its the issue with the pact system....the pact system at times is fighting the game itself
tidal flame
what do you mean?
honest kernel
It's more like : The game wasn't meant to be played with nearly all the pact modifiers turned on
tidal flame
the pact is designed to contain choices, i.e. pick and choose
sly remnant
sure but this is high heat
tidal flame
if you pick everything (high heat), then you have yourself to blame
ripe crane
Some speedrunners do. High heat nutters do. That's about it
I can't figure out what this is in reference to
tidal flame
yeah, and we should be aware that we are the minority
sly remnant
i understand that
tidal flame
a dedicated but still small community
ripe crane
I mean what are you talking about
sly remnant
i don't mind the sac as a mechanic. i mind that TD3 makes the sac matter so much
ripe crane
That some speedrunners do
tidal flame
but based on the interactions, I believe TD3 was changed for us.
sly remnant
i think you are correct
rain sedge
it's not about pacts or whatever, it's about RNG taking things out of our control without any source of mitigation
honest kernel
lol
sly remnant
as i said. its just at high heat the game is fighting itself in a way that isn't fun
rain sedge
taking TD3 is a choice. Getting 5 sacced is not. If you have a pact that will totally be invalidated by RNG, it's not good game design. In fact, if there's anything that will automatically fail with being unlucky, it's not good game design.
I should really check out, I'm getting super salty
this shield clear will happen sooner or later anyway
tidal flame
I get the frustration. I lost many 40+ runs to sacks.
rain sedge
the 50 eris didnt even feel this tilting
it was like, fun, even
except for the AP reroll if I didnt get lightning strike
tidal flame
But saying it's not good game design is a bit backward. It's like judging a car for not being able to drive on water.
sly remnant
its the same reason a lot of people do not like AP2 and RI2. it automatically invalidates a lot of aspects
rain sedge
this gives me literal headache
rain sedge
But saying it's not good game design is a bit backward. It's like judging a car ...
but the car is advertised with driving on water capability
that's the point
sly remnant
but any aspect that can do AP2 or RI2 has an automatic 9 heat advantage that isn't really made up in other places
rain sedge
and it's not that the car can't drive in water, everytime you need to use it to cross a river, you flip a coin, and if you fail, you drown
tidal flame
ok I think we can agree to disagree.
to me, I believe that if we just normalize modding the game, we can avoid a lot of this.
rain sedge
but by that time I would already have done 5x40, and won't touch high heat again
rain sedge
hmm Switch mod
specific switch have access to file systems, which can take the savefile out and share it to PC
rain sedge
worst mistake in this game is buying it on switch
we know the technology to share savefile is there. the question is that, why did that "end of october" deadline got pushed this far, and we got no info on it?
it's literally just "upload a file to epic game account, download it on PC"
tidal flame
damn, and Im sitting here eyeing a switch becuase mobile roguelike is awesome
sly remnant
and even if modding is normalized there are always going to be people who look down on it
rain sedge
which I hope the answer is because nintendo process sucks
and I hope the cross save is already on the queue for nintendo release
sly remnant
there are people in this discord channel who do not respect any form of modding
tidal flame
and even if modding is normalized there are always going to be people who look d...
yeah. it's not ideal. but that's what part of the normalization process is.
tidal flame
there are people in this discord channel who do not respect any form of modding
hell people even look down on seeding
sly remnant
hell people even look down on seeding
i'm aware. even tho it makes a lot more aspects viable in a way they aren't normally
true fable
i think it depends on what you think the game is/should test
tidal flame
do people do high heat for personal reasons or wanting to be on some kind of board? or both?
sly remnant
A little of column a a little of column b
You dont do high heat unless you have a competitive spark somewhere
true fable
i do it for personal reasons really
i feel more in control for high heat vs speed so it's a good break
sly remnant
Yea I like the personal aspect
But I always want to be one of the first to do beo dio at 50 heat. Just to prove that it can
ripe crane
I just want to feel like I'm good at something for once in my miserable life 😞
Is what I would say if I weren't so awesome at everything
tidal flame
Tell Nyaa that
gaunt fiber
I mean yeah
you can go fast to elysium to get killed
@rain sedge for you
Ultimate advice for high heat
gaunt fiber
I got one too lmao
rain sedge
even more than that since the actual chance is 45%
gaunt fiber
my effort/10?
rain sedge
4/10, but appreciated
honest kernel
do people do high heat for personal reasons or wanting to be on some kind of boa...
Mostly did mine to see how far I could push the Zeus aspect of shield
Altho so far all I did show was that you could highroll with it
gaunt fiber
I just want to get my favorite aspect as high as I can
tidal flame
I just want to know that I technically can.
tidal flame
32 looks ugly next to the 40 and 50
thats why I clear 40s in a different file
be smart like me
gaunt fiber
I need to be able to streak 40 without charged skewer
rancid spindle
wtf EM1 is so much easier than expected
true fable
enjoy it while you can
wraith imp
Am i alone in my opinion that poseidon-centric might be the best build for chaos shield now? (exclude sea storm which makes chaos aspect and zeus aspect OP.)
zeus builds just aren't doing it for me on high heat. like, i'm winning but elysium and boss battles are now slogs.
honest kernel
Zeus special is about as strong as you can reliably get for Chaos aspect of shield
Altho having a bit of a sloggy fight is something inherent to the aspect
Ain't nothing fixing that short of some sort of broken build
wraith imp
Zeus special is about as strong as you can reliably get for Chaos aspect of shie...
that's the thing...i don't think it is. (especially without jolted.)
honest kernel
Keyword here being Reliably
true fable
i think zeus special definitely is
rain sedge
what's high heat .
honest kernel
If you could get any build all the time, you'd just do Merciful End all day every day
wraith imp
what's high heat .
40+
honest kernel
For shield
rain sedge
also achilles just hit meg's mob instead of meg very cool
true fable
high heat is whatever the gauge says
🙂
yeah if feasibility wasnt a prereq i think i'd still do zeus into double strike + splitting bolt
not sure though
sly remnant
high heat is anything anyone is struggling with
true fable
the extra shields are also not affected by dread flight
can someone please explain to me what dashing flight does btw
honest kernel
Also affects the main shield
Basically, Dash -> Special throws the shield hyper fast
And does weird bouncy mechanics
On top of a nice damage boost
true fable
is the timing the same as dash upper
rain sedge
hmm cool
does the other shield trigger splitting bolt?
because I got one at chamber 9
rain sedge
i feel like the special travel slower than the zag aspect
honest kernel
Should be about the same
rain sedge
cool
if I die on meg with splitting bolt I'm going to sleep
cool achilles hit the right target this time
rain sedge
no, the bigger lightning thing
gor hyper sprint epic and rush delivery too
does it just mean when I get + speed, my stuff deal more damage?
sudden rush or dashing flight for chaos hammer?
sly remnant
dashing flight i'm pretty sure
true fable
i think sudden rush is better but i havent played chaos since i cleared my first 32
rain sedge
only 3 sac this time, still lost patty though
dashing flight's been good so far
not gonna shotgun hades anyway
got it. .
my heart is pounding lol
never doing this again
sly remnant
nice dude
sometimes. you spend 7 runs in a row rolling twice for trippy shot on the first boon
i couldn't believe the game was shafting me as ahrd as it was
mild basin
So I feel this is the place to post here. But honestly I thought if I put extreme measures on I thought it would trigger all of the bosses to have new techniques.
mild basin
Yep. That what I found out.
cedar thistle
the pact does describe it as best it can with few words
mild basin
I clearly glanced over that part ha.
true fable
PFF why didnt anyone tell me what happens if you order pom porridge with zero boons
im dying lmao
this is so funny
true fable
i wanted to hear your thoughts in test branch lol
im testing the pom scaling rn
do you remember what it was before?
it was like 0.75s for first pom right?
true fable
ok
honest kernel
Let me test that right
main delta
i think it's 0.6s before test branch
true fable
im gonna check live
main delta
wow that's nuts
ripe crane
Seems reasonable
main delta
yea i think it's reasonable too but i liked being able to relax for like 5 seconds during the chaos
true fable
look im not gonna complain but uh
does linear pom scaling seem a little nuts to anyone else
just me?
main delta
did they do that to anything else besides athena's aid?
true fable
this has blinding flash written all over it lmao
main delta
that honestly seems pretty fun to play around with as a joke build
oh wow didn't even notice blinding flash was linear scaling
main delta
were there any high heat strategies used with that than companion backstab bug?
ripe crane
So it starts at 1.5? I've had 30 poms on a boon before. That would be over a minute of invincibility for a greater call
true fable
LOL
true fable
still not enough for zag sword to clear 1 phase of hades
ripe crane
YesssssSSS smoldering air. Need 12 poms for permanent invulnerability
main delta
does it charge while being used?
true fable
it doesnt
true fable
it's okay
if you have 15 seconds of invincibility mixed in with 1 second of athena dash vulnerability
does it matter
main delta
with broken spearpoint just in case you get hit
main delta
i wonder what level is required for the linear scaling to take over
true fable
third pom is 0.3
main delta
probably around 5 or 6 then?
true fable
fourth pom was also 0.3
so it looks like both 1st and 2nd pom were just flattened to linear
main delta
gotcha
honest kernel
Sounds about right
Drunken Strike stole like 6 blossom pom buffs
And I tried to get rid of it, no luck in the purging pools lol
I got boons when i was done with the Styx chambers
true fable
does this really change much, really
will it stop any among us from abusing athena's aid
honest kernel
For meme runs, lol nope
For high heat stuff ? maybe a little less
Can't just splash it, pom it once or twice and call it a day, that's the nerf they went for
true fable
fair
loud coral
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/759936836004347944/unknown.png Thinking about that time I took HS at 5 heat
And DC1 too, can't believe that's what I took as my easy options
loud coral
So much about that victory screen is cursed
I remember arguing with some people over here over why I thought Favor was better too lmfao
loud coral
Even though it seems like Hangover is the only curse I had, the curse of HS at 5 heat was enough to get constant PS procs
true fable
nah arent you getting ruptured off of that call
loud coral
Ah yes 3 seconds of PS when I use my call
true fable
a high IQ priv stat for sure
loud coral
Should've done RI2 HS for the absolute prime 5 heat setup
loud coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759541019871019010/768598910272405544/unknown.png Fun fact: I was actually going to run this for 32 heat
At least I didn’t take FO2 
pearl blaze
sounds.... fun?
true fable
the 0TD is hilarious
loud coral
Funniest part is I was consistently getting sub30 at this point anyway
dire steppe
how many people do you think would play hades at all if the default was EM4 FO2 BP2 HL5 LC4
thats 30 heat i guess
true fable
if the default was LC4? probably very few
dire steppe
i guess healing boons would be really weird with lc4
true fable
SD LC4 is one of those things that feels like it is and should be cult knowledge
not the norm
dire steppe
nourished soul doing literally nothing
tidal flame
then there are some nutjobs doing DD LC4 like the madlads they are
ember cobalt
Wouldn't something like Hard Drink or some of the healing hammer mods still work?
cedar thistle
and storburn toors
dire steppe
well strong drink still gives the damage
true fable
then there are some nutjobs doing DD LC4 like the madlads they are
interpretive twerking is doing 40 heat speedruns on twitch with that setup right now lmao
mossy zinc
guan yu, cursed slash, and draining cutter do
Draining Cutter only in the test branch, to be clear.
Quick Recovery works.
dire steppe
true fable
at least it's not a dead hammer
i did 32 earlier today if that counts
might try 40 on test branch
dire steppe
oh thats pretty sick
but apparently no one has ever even said beowulf and boonless in the same message until right now
mossy zinc
@true fable congratu—nevermind, you forgot RI4. 
time to go again
dire steppe
how is beowulf with the base cast
true fable
fiery presence was pretty important haha
base cast does 100 damage with shackle changes
which is pretty meaty
i got the idea because bablo did sort of a mini proof of concept on stream
mossy zinc
You could be the first to do 32 shield mirrorless. That's the one I haven't done yet.
true fable
are you goading me
i feel tempted
not like im doing anything else until the patch drops
mossy zinc
Sure, I want more people to try mirrorless. It's fun.
mossy zinc
We gotta get better at mirrorless to push into the 50s with it eventually.
true fable
i think i need to get better at 40s to push into the 50s eventually 
mossy zinc
Mirrorless is good practice. You'll feel like Son Goku taking off his weights when you turn on your full mirror again. 
true fable
tbh i think doing speedruns on high confidence made me better at no hitting
tidal flame
Honestly I feel the rage of bad RNG when going mirrorless than not
true fable
maybe mirrorless is the next logical step
mossy zinc
Not really though.
tidal flame
Not fun for me. I'll skip.
true fable
i think i might do mirrorless boonless before i do mirrorless boonless 32
mossy zinc
Shield 32 RI4 has been difficult entirely because of TD3. I could have switched to TD2, but I want to do it with TD3, figure out where to get my DPS.
tidal flame
(I did try mirrorless with GY before)
Ran a solid 15 tries
Just not my thing then, unlikely now
true fable
surprisingly deadline didn't feel like an issue with beowulf
maybe with RI4 it will be
mossy zinc
Could just do mirrorless 32. No need for boonless on top of it.
If you figure out 32 RI4 TD3 with Beowulf, I'll watch that.
And I don't watch 99.9% of runs, but I'd be interested to see that.
waxen relic
Stop baiting us with stuff to fail at 
trim sigil
It's not baiting. It's fated persuasion
mossy zinc
I don't want you to fail, I want you aim beyond what you think is possible.
tidal flame
Shoot for the moon. In case you miss, you will land among the stars.
waxen relic
Gotta make a new list of Fated Prophecies
tidal flame
And die a horrible as you slowly drift along the emptiness of the universe.
trim sigil
Ah yes, the fated list of major prophecies
edgy arrow
just went into a hades fight with yarn of ariadne and one use of refreshing nectar still remaining
edgy arrow
from eurydice
edgy arrow
yup
true fable
LOL
edgy arrow
i was saving them, along with 5 rerolls, to get epic jolted in elysium
zero points if you can guess how many zeus boons i found there
true fable
i just hit a 7:37 on beowulf and i think your clear is honestly more impressive
highlight the nectar on the victory screen
do it
edgy arrow
lol i died tho
mossy zinc
I had 2 remaining here. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/782268720479207474/Hades_1177.png?width=792&height=446
true fable
NOOO
mossy zinc
It's the new meta.
edgy arrow
i know, such a waste
true fable
think of all the boons you couldve gotten afterward
mossy zinc
Yarn of Ariadne can't make up for the one missing charge, apparently.
So, 1 charge of Refreshing Nectar > 1 Yarn of Ariadne.
edgy arrow
can't argue with math
edgy arrow
Chance to better boons x 0 Boon = 0
changed my mind you can argue with math: u wrong
mossy zinc
FoxHope being wrong about math is like a running gag at this point.
tidal flame
Except I'm not. People just like to argue.
tidal flame
No damage 32 heat next?
mossy zinc
No monitor.
cedar thistle
no hands?
true fable
seems like more people are getting into high heat with the new categories
mossy zinc
There've only ever been like 3–4 people who cared for routing. Even when routed wasn't separate on the speedrun leaderboard, there were a lot more speedrunners who didn't route.
Though seeding at least was the norm.
ripe crane
Shouldn't y'all be asleep
mossy zinc
It's 11:19 AM.
true fable
its 2:30 here
i should be but time is a construct that covid kind of threw out the window
gaunt fiber
Understandable, have a great day
true fable
also crepes didnt you go to sleep several hours ago
rain sedge
How do people on Switch even record?
we can't lol
rain sedge
just got 4 sacced again in another perfect poseidon run
whoever thought of the sac mechanic should be ashamed of themselves
gaunt fiber
rain sedge
my watch has finally ended
I can chill now
got all the 40s
apparently you can still get patty if you get 3 sacced
cinder cave
Shouldn't y'all be asleep
Not everyone here is American xd
If the top players in chess can play multiple games blindfolded simultaneously
I’m sure you legends of hades can beat it without a monitor attached
proud jay
guys how do i beat 40 heat consistently with arthur and gilgamesh
gaunt fiber
DR Arthur no FO2
gaunt fiber
yeah
ripe crane
Blade dash for Gilg apparently
proud jay
idk i tried it and it's not great
proud jay
even attack builds are somewhat decent
but it's danger danger against heroes and hades
rain sedge
ap2 ri2 shackle for gilgamesh attack build?
you can redistribute the heat elsewhere and just play it slow
gaunt fiber
starting with 50 hp is oof
rain sedge
from what I've seen on your gameplay, that doesn't seem to be a big problem for you
proud jay
with dark foresight you usually get a good build in elysium
rain sedge
yeah that was my reasoning
but what do I know, to even get most 40s I struggle until I cry tears of blood
I just feel that if the idea is for consistency (assuming this is for your 6x40) shackle seems to be a good way to go
at least RI1 AP2, that's 7 heat that you can take off CP and JS
proud jay
it's kinda for my 24x40 streak LOL
rain sedge
lord almighty
what are you left with?
how? took me like 20-30 tries to even get sword and shield each
proud jay
no zag shield isn't a problem
rain sedge
yeah rama and GY seems easy for you too
gaunt fiber
GY finale should be awesome
proud jay
GY isn't easy either
rain sedge
just DR arthur you'll be fine
rain sedge
if astaos can do GY 40 everyone can do it
proud jay
dude you can't force DR
gaunt fiber
if astaos can do GY 40 everyone can do it
thanks buddy
rain sedge
thanks buddy
no worries ❤️
gaunt fiber
Owl pendant tartarus might be the best option for reliability. The thing that TD3 is hard if no charged skewer imo
proud jay
i kinda know what to do with GY, it's just still scary
gaunt fiber
I ain't good at EM4 but if you are
proud jay
i suck at even the regular hades fight
rain sedge
is anyone good at em4
proud jay
retrash is
gaunt fiber
yeah
rain sedge
retrash is a psycho
rain sedge
I don't even think I can deal with consistently getting 2x40 at eris
how do you deal with the timer bablo? Won't your streak just end if you get 3 sacced
or do you not have a problem with that because youre a speedrunner
proud jay
nah i could pull off a 5 sack TD3 with a lot of weapons
fastest clears have been around 13 minutes IGT
in short i take pretty much every free chamber, and i know how to fast in general
rain sedge
I take every free chambers too and in the past 2 days I was pretty ready to break my controller because I timed out thanks to sac
but yeah I've seen your speedruns
that makes a lot of sense
let us know if you get 24x40 streak
proud jay
not sure i like CP
also RI1 is kind of a big deal
otherwise you might be forced to purge your core boons
gaunt fiber
that's true
proud jay
like i need to be prepared for the worst rng
gaunt fiber
but it may be better than getting wiped for a single mistake at hades
proud jay
i can throw specials at hades
proud jay
calls also help a ton
gaunt fiber
good luck building call with GY
mossy zinc
I'd def take HL3 over DC2 in that setup.
proud jay
i don't mind DC2
rain sedge
do you even take BP2 if you wanna be consistent?
some combos in tartarus are just instant death
proud jay
i take BP2 every time
rain sedge
like some speeder-cloner witches kinda thing
proud jay
yeah it's a little scary in tartarus
rain sedge
saviour linker skulls will ruin you on GY
proud jay
it's just a lot of heat
gaunt fiber
saviour linker skulls will ruin you on GY
it's alright
rain sedge
I feel like you're good enough to dodge the HL5 since that's not the RNG
proud jay
i start with athena anyway
mossy zinc
HS can literally one-shot you if you're not lucky with Centaur Hearts.
rain sedge
ya but this is bablo
proud jay
i kinda need to take HS
rain sedge
I feel like we're trying to minimise RNG rather than skill ceiling
proud jay
and i roll with skelly tooth
proud jay
I feel like we're trying to minimise RNG rather than skill ceiling
yeah it's all about rng
rain sedge
also stuff like speeder cloner chariots would just kill you on GY
proud jay
HS is also somewhat beneficial for SD heals
mossy zinc
Chariots can't get Cloner lol.
rain sedge
so I feel like... BP2 introduces a lot of RNG. I'm not saying it's harder than LC5, it's just more variance of difficulty
I forgot about that lol
well speeder chariots are enough
mossy zinc
Cloner is exclusive to Tartarus.
cinder cave
Cloner is exclusive to Tartarus.
Wow didn't even realise
Are these things listed on wiki somewhere?
rain sedge
also I would take JS over CP... but yeah, with BP2, maybe less mobs is good
mossy zinc
I think BP2 is fine. He knows how to handle all the combos.
rain sedge
yeah, lava-bomb is exclusive to ashpodel, soul clones to elysium
cinder cave
and those are the only exclusive BP? Thanks guys 
proud jay
i take dusa sometimes to deal with bad BP combos
proud jay
BP is a bigger problem on JS1+
mossy zinc
I think you'll be fine with Guan Yu tbh. You're worrying too much. You could do a Butterfly run on it and be fine.
rain sedge
what actually surprised me is that you managed to maintain your streak through the worse weapons
lucifer? zag spear? those are dreadful at 40
mossy zinc
I like Acorn from Asphodel on sometimes because 5 + 2 hits is better than death in 2 hits lol.
rain sedge
even stuff like zag fist and sword can get ultra ugly
mossy zinc
Lucky Tooth on Guan Yu is only 50 HP.
rain sedge
Lucky Tooth on Guan Yu is only 50 HP.
wtf
mossy zinc
It halves all HP. What did you expect?
proud jay
lucifer? zag spear? those are dreadful at 40
lucifer run was one of the fastest
rain sedge
lucifer run was one of the fastest
how? eris build without the eris?
proud jay
yes
sly remnant
people really sleep on luci
proud jay
also triple bomb with artemis special
proud jay
yeah in like an hour
cedar thistle
nice
proud jay
it's getting real sketchy though with the remaining aspects
sly remnant
whats left?
rain sedge
he put it up there, rama, GY, arthur
proud jay
zag shield, rama, GY, gilgo, arthur
waxen relic
Would a Special-build work on Arthur if you get the Hammer?
sly remnant
ooof
proud jay
Would a Special-build work on Arthur if you get the Hammer?
yes it's nice and cozy with double nova
rain sedge
70 base damage x2 hmm
why did my small brain not think of this when I was grinding sword 40 an hour ago
could've saved so much pain
cedar thistle
GY sounds the most scary.
sly remnant
idk zag shield is
sly remnant
its kinda boring to play
waxen relic
Nah Zagshield's quite consistent
rain sedge
I "did" zag shield 40 yesterday, even I could do it
with the + bounce on special
"did" because I got 5 sacced and timed out, would've killed dad with 6 more seconds
cedar thistle
depends how high the heat is i guess? I did 32 and FO2 was still okay
sly remnant
cuz he's good
cedar thistle
But if you go even higher.. might want to take it off
sly remnant
FO2 just kinda counters everything that makes arthur arthur
proud jay
@rain sedge online now
rain sedge
super pog
rain sedge
come watch bablo, he's doing GY next
gaunt fiber
here I come
somber leaf
do people tend to use privileged status or the other one? (not for such high heat that you shut them off, of course)
mossy zinc
Family Favorite.
true fable
put priv status is 40 damage nyaanyaa you just need 6 boons
mossy zinc
rain sedge
do people tend to use privileged status or the other one? (not for such high hea...
can't think of any 40 heat build that will proc privileged status reliably
maybe merciful ending with exposed, but that's 4 boons
mossy zinc
Low Tolerance Chiron.
honest kernel
^
rain sedge
ah yeah... that one
mossy zinc
There are some builds that can really benefit from it, but the go-to is Family Favorite. That one always works.
somber leaf
perfect, that'll make my life so much easier
do people with FF prioritize spreading their boons out? or do you always just get 5 haha
mossy zinc
I don't really think about it.
rain sedge
rarely have the option to do so with UC and CF2
true fable
you dont really want to get 5 gods unless youre counting hermes as a god
5 god pool isnt a death knell but its not great most of the time
spring kettle
I don't think 5 gods would be the best for dps unless they ahll had duos that synergized well
true fable
well you dont take a fifth god at all if youre aiming for duos tbh
true fable
NOOOO
honest kernel
21 streak too
true fable
are we still doing gilga and arthur though
im p sure he had done zag shield when i left
honest kernel
He might have
ripe crane
He did zag shield, it was Arthur
true fable
tartarus?
ripe crane
This is kind of tempting. I feel like I could pull this off?
honest kernel
I sure as hell am not pulling that one off lmao
rain sedge
yea tartarus
true fable
yall should plug your streams more
rain sedge
glances at my last 2 40 attempts
true fable
seems like interest is there for high heat
ripe crane
Just gonna go RI2/AP2/TD2/low HL with shackle for every weapon
rain sedge
yeah, there's no way I'm pulling that off
my head still hurts from the shield and sword runs
honest kernel
Still waiting for da patch
ripe crane
Same
honest kernel
Before attempting 58 heat again
In the meantime, working on a hellmode save
Just need the companions and some dialogue
As well as finish the leveling of some keepsakes
true fable
could do some first run hellmode in the meantime
i think vorime said he was gonna try it
mossy zinc
Just gonna go RI4/AP2/TD3/HL5/LC4 with shackle for every weapon
FTFY.
honest kernel
First run Hellmode ? not quite skilled enough for that LOL
true fable
first run isnt too bad once you get the hang of it
honest kernel
Tried that a few times, took like 4-5 runs before I got the first win. Everything after was a win lol
true fable
dad fight is tough though
true fable
hmmm
honest kernel
And otherwise employs the same strategies
Go Athena
Hope for Ares to show up
fish for Merciful End
Win
true fable
and then mash enemies into the merciful end grinder
honest kernel
Anyone got any ideas for Demeter centered high heat build? 25+ or so. Because tbh I cant come up with anything.
Overall seems like lackluster boons. Chill cant be fully applied consistently. The laser casts turn too slowly to be usefull for most situations.
spring kettle
And her duos mostly have to with changing or hers or others' casts
which isn't good for synergizing with chill
true fable
whats the point of the spreadsheet now? hell mode clears? posterity?
honest kernel
Just for the 58 heat thing lol
And in general, just been playing other games as of late
true fable
fair fair
honest kernel
Btw last time played hades 4 months ago. Only started again 3 days ago. Where can I find links to all acronyms and lingo? The whole: HL5 FO2 TD3 etc etc
been seeing that a lot around. no idea what any of that means
true fable
should be pinned in this channel
formal gust
would you say max heat is almost humanly impossible unrouted
mossy zinc
Nope.
spring kettle
Don't see how it's possible to do LC4 and RI4
north dove
Lucking into Divine Protection and never losing the bubble might be the only way
honest kernel
impossible ? no. Realistic at all ? lol nope
mossy zinc
I think we're very far from the skill ceiling for this game.
I have top reactions among high heat players, and I know pro SFV players who react to things regularly that I can react to once out of 50+ times maybe. There's not really a lot of competition at high heat to push things higher like you would find in competitive titles.
honest kernel
I mean, comparing the competition level of one of the most popular Fighting Games vs a niche community of a popular single player indie isn't exactly the most fair comparaison.
Reaction time isn't the only factor, in both cases, either way
mossy zinc
Point isn't that it's fair lol.
Right, it was just to name one factor.
The point is there's a whole lot of untapped potential because there isn't as much competition.
honest kernel
Ah, gotcha
mossy zinc
And even in a game that popular and competitive like SFV, new strategies and tech is discovered all the time still. Nothing huge, but there's still development and refinement.
We're still figuring out the best pacts and whatever for 40 Heat, and often can't agree on what's better for 32 lol.
honest kernel
Like, a lot of what's done in high heat is basically whatever worked for a handful of players
mossy zinc
Yeah.
honest kernel
We don't even have a semblance of a meta to set in stone
Unlike the speedrunning community lol
And even then
spring kettle
I feel like what is best for 32 heat would vary by weapon
Like DC is basically free heat with a fast hitting weapon
mossy zinc
I think you could do 32 with pretty much anything and it would work out.
true fable
speedrunning is also very much a copycat meta in the same way that high heat can be
i would never have thought thunder dash would be good on beo over splash dash in the same way i didnt immediately think rama would be a fantastic high heat weapon
even now theres a lot of talk going around of zeus being the "best" shield for high heat because baj exists
ripe crane
Just be good and not bad. You can accomplish anything
true fable
unironically though
gaunt fiber
Just be good and not bad. You can accomplish anything
It's tough
formal gust
ok almost impossible was a stretch but too difficult to the point where it's not even fun
gaunt fiber
fun 
formal gust
it seems like it would be torture
honest kernel
Anything involving AP could be considered torture soooo
dry flame
true
formal gust
I wonder if someone will dedicate their entire life to it
mossy zinc
I like AP.
formal gust
if it gets done it would be a legendary accomplishment
dry flame
wait till u starting using RI @honest kernel
formal gust
max heat sounds more difficult the more you think about it
formal gust
CP2 EM4 hades with FO2 and no mirror
dry flame
oh good 4 u
formal gust
the first rank of RI is horrible