h1-high-heat-strategies

[gaunt fiber]

Same goes for GY

[honest kernel]

Just the weapon I had at the time to show the pact

[sly remnant]

i think only something like eris or fists could run AP1

[true fable]

thats a pretty good generic though

imagine if we could pin messages

[sly remnant]

i really think yall overestimate the effect of JS1

[true fable]

must be nice

[honest kernel]

If we go with JS1 CF2

We get this https://gyazo.com/6491fcd5b1e1737c59f6b3e7c536bcec

No DC, No AP

No RI

[sly remnant]

that is probably the "generic pact setup"

but i think the interesting part of 40 heat speedruns is every aspect i think is gonna have different setups

[gaunt fiber]

40 seems so ez

[honest kernel]

For 40 heat speedruns, you'd obviously play around with it a bit

But yeah

[sly remnant]

40 is ez

making 40 go fast is not ez

[honest kernel]

^

I've been forcing Athena Call BS all day lol

Got a 50%+ winrate still

for 40 heat

[ripe crane]

Hey so

[true fable]

i think JS/CF/DC are all adjust as needed per aspect

[sly remnant]

^i agree

[honest kernel]

^

[sly remnant]

and the occasional aspect takes EM4

which is still a consideration i think on hestia

[ripe crane]

Looking at Baj's setup I just realized I still have PL on even though it's not shown anymore xd

[honest kernel]

lmao

[ripe crane]

Don't give yourself PL kids

[gaunt fiber]

Hm.

[honest kernel]

Witches cackling in the distance

[true fable]

dependent on weapon for me

[sly remnant]

lol same

[true fable]

40 was ez on anything non sword lmao

[sly remnant]

lol i don't play sword

[honest kernel]

But for real Hell Mode runs aren't submitabble to the Speedrun website

[true fable]

sword was like running into a brick wall

[honest kernel]

SO yeah

Or I think the high heat ones aren't

[true fable]

dont know how you did it first try with cursed flurry slash baj

none are

[sly remnant]

hell mode is not allowerd

[true fable]

hell mode is against rules

[honest kernel]

Ok fair enough

[true fable]

those edits

[ripe crane]

And I just realized that Streamlabs crashed an hour and a half ago so none of this was being recorded anyway

[true fable]

RIP

[honest kernel]

OOOOOF

[true fable]

that sucks

[gaunt fiber]

He nailed it at the end

[ripe crane]

Professional speedrunning

[honest kernel]

Don't mind it, it's totally not corrupted nonsense

A̷̍̀P̶̊͝ ̷̈́͊h̷̩͒a̵̅͝ś̴͂ ̷́͐t̵̩̓ȧ̴͘k̸̂̄e̷̯͝n̴̈̚ ̷̩̈m̵͛̃y̵͌͠ ̶̆͋s̶̄̎ö̸́͝ȗ̷̈́l̴͚̕ ̴̐͜h̸͗̆ẻ̴̀ĺ̸͑p̷̫̒ ̴̈́̿p̴̋͠l̴̲̋ĕ̵͇a̶̿̋s̸͆͊e̶̲̊

[gaunt fiber]

Oh god

Burn him

[true fable]

oh we zalgo text now? aight

[sly remnant]

I'm pretty sure of anyone has had their soul taken by AP

Its retrash

[honest kernel]

You haven't seen my AP2 55 heat clear yet, have you

I roll with Tempest Strike on shield of all things lmao

[true fable]

retrash does runs just so amir can point at them and say ap2 is a good pact

[honest kernel]

Spoilers : It's not

[sly remnant]

Ap2 is a pact that exists

Sometimes its the hardest 5 heat you'll ever see.

Sometimes its like its not even there

[honest kernel]

Sometimes

More like almost always for the first and almost never for the second

AP1 is more on the 50/50 fence then AP2 for sure

[sly remnant]

Yea I don't think anyone minds AP1 that much

[true fable]

do we actually know that AP is an even 33/33/33 for each option

or are we just assuming

[honest kernel]

Assuming

[true fable]

welp

[honest kernel]

Did anyone actually bother checking the game code for AP lol

[sly remnant]

Its why aspects that only need one boon and a hammer own at high heat

[true fable]

time to spend my channel points in ellos chat

[honest kernel]

Zeus Shield intensifies

[true fable]

i have a feeling its not an even 33

but maybe thats the salt talking

[sly remnant]

AP2 specifically makes some aspects light years easier at high heat

Which is why I hate the pact

[honest kernel]

Anything cast-related ? To the trash bin

[true fable]

haha yup

[sly remnant]

Rama? Just get your hammer rolls and arti attack

[true fable]

i was doing some 50 beo runs last night

[ripe crane]

Shackle says it's free real estate

[true fable]

left tartarus with heartbreak flourish and sweet surrender

[honest kernel]

Retrash's 51 heat clear on Beo is a Charged Flight run lmao

[true fable]

yeah i had charged flight too

just wanted passion flare though 😦

[sly remnant]

i've gotten to elysium on 50 heat beo so far

dio cast

[honest kernel]

So has Dunko0, from what I saw on his stream

Also Dio cast

[proud jay]

i got to phase3 em4 dad with beo on 50

[sly remnant]

WHAT

[proud jay]

probably shouldn't do em4

[sly remnant]

on beo?

[proud jay]

yes

beo is good why is that surprising

[sly remnant]

oh wait you run aphro cast

[true fable]

what pact

[honest kernel]

^

[sly remnant]

you have to take EM4 for dio

[proud jay]

let me check i should have it on video

em4 dc2 at least

[true fable]

feels like ri2 or em4 is mandatory

[sly remnant]

RI2 for beo sounds awful

even for aphro cast

[proud jay]

must've been ri0

[honest kernel]

I also assume some ammount of AP

probably 1

[sly remnant]

i want to submit my 50 heat beo to the leaderboard

to make that at all somewhat fast i can only do AP1

[proud jay]

https://imgur.com/a/kIStVz2

[true fable]

yeah that looks right

[sly remnant]

i dropped 1 dc for 1 cp

[true fable]

i was trying that with ri2 instead

[proud jay]

i got lucky and found snow burst so dc was no problem

[true fable]

dc is worse for styg

[proud jay]

i roll with infernal soul aphro

[true fable]

yee

i think i will for 50 as well

[sly remnant]

yea i like snow burst a lot at high heat

for beo

[proud jay]

at any heat

[sly remnant]

lol well yes

but since i'm dio we normally prioritize zeus more than demeter (not that we are that sad about dem)

[proud jay]

zeus is just always good

R O D is amazing on beo

[sly remnant]

yea. but at high heat i think demeter for snow burst is better even for dio cast

than zeus

[true fable]

but that means 5 god pool or no athena

[sly remnant]

i don't take athena on beo

its a safe weapon

[proud jay]

5 god pool isn't a bad thing if you have 5 good gods

somehow people think 5 god pool is like an automatic loss

[true fable]

my only issue is its hard to get mirage

[sly remnant]

just don't take athena on beo

atleast for dio cast

[proud jay]

just don't take mirage?

it's a heavy investment anyway

well i guess you could take poseidon call

in any heat people just take a dead poseidon special

[sly remnant]

splash dash owns for removing DC

[true fable]

i feel like ur dmg falls off a cliff in ely without it

[sly remnant]

mirage also makes the lernie fight waaaaaaay easier

[proud jay]

how often do you find mirage shot before lernie at high heat

[sly remnant]

oh rarely

[honest kernel]

Oh wait y'all get duos consistently

BRB trying 58 heat and rolling for ME on Zeus shield with AP2

[true fable]

yall get boons?

[sly remnant]

i'm not sure athena dio is the answer tho

for beowulf

normally the backhalf of beo dio runs are the easy part

[proud jay]

highrolling for duos would explain why

[honest kernel]

THat moment when i get Sea Storm and a semblance of a splash-build on my 55 heat clear and sell the sea storm lol

[sly remnant]

i mean dio beo is a high roll weapon at high heat

i'm not trying to play something consistent

if i wanted consistency i wouldn't be playing dio beo

[honest kernel]

Trying to be consistent at 50 heat

Who the hell would be mad enough for that

not many peeps, is who

[proud jay]

i mean that's never gonna happen right

i was thinking about that today

[honest kernel]

Hiding Shackles yeah totally not

[proud jay]

so if you wouldn't have any points in TD you theoretically could beat every run

just git gud and don't get hit

[honest kernel]

theoretically

Except EM4 CP2 dad

[sly remnant]

that just doesn't soudn fun

[honest kernel]

While rolling with AP2

[sly remnant]

i enjoy having fun

[proud jay]

well yeah it gets even worse once you combine TD with AP, CP, JS, EM4

and RI

[honest kernel]

Oh yeah no mirror lol

Bye Bye death defiances, the ultimate crutch

[proud jay]

TD on its own is good design imo, just not the other things (read: AP)

[gaunt fiber]

Wow

5 minutes in I'm facing lernie

[honest kernel]

Pog

[sly remnant]

what weapon?

[gaunt fiber]

GY

[honest kernel]

Even more pog

[sly remnant]

what a god

40 heat?

[gaunt fiber]

43 to be exact

[sly remnant]

flexing on the 40 heat category with a 43 sub 10 incoming

[gaunt fiber]

ain't clearing it

since I'm practicing EM4

[honest kernel]

I swear I'm gonna do boonless EM4 Zag Shield runs

ALL THAT so that I can run EM4 TD2

And not die because nerves make me step on an ⚱️

[ripe crane]

I turned on AP1 and it has locked out tidal dash and Artemis attack every time it's been offered. Maybe I do have to turn on JS

[sly remnant]

what a fun pact 🙂

i know yall say hestia doesn't need boons but i still think AP1 isn't the answer for any aspect

a building coming online earlier is how you go fast

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/baebe1e1e46b233654588a08eea2085d

Still feeling the nerves from that one

That's at the end of the 55 heat clear

Dad tryna' pull a fast one on me

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/TLT4eST

wish this touch of styx was darker

alright, time to die

[rain sedge]

you have 2 DD, you got this boyo

[gaunt fiber]

Nah EM4 is still an enigma to me

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/782010982884311070/unknown.png I don't know how I'm doing this. Made it to phase 3 this time

[rain sedge]

ah yea didn't see that EM4

[gaunt fiber]

yeah normal dad would have been perfectly fine

[honest kernel]

... 54 heat Zag sword

what the heck Retrash LOL

[true fable]

i think the games over if retrash beats it on 54

thats it hades is solved

[proud jay]

Please tell me you actually used the chop

[north dove]

I did

[proud jay]

My man

[rain sedge]

serious question tho retrash, why do you do super high heat with these aspects?

[north dove]

Because no one else will

[honest kernel]

... Hey that's me and Zeus shield

[gaunt fiber]

I did phase him

making progress

[honest kernel]

Poggers

[rain sedge]

but you're actually good at zeus shield, and it's your main weapon

retrash is just memeing

[gaunt fiber]

I like aphro special more than artemis after all

inconsistent dps kills my nerves

[honest kernel]

And I pushed it in the first place because I could

Not because I should

Heck if I wanted to push the heat I would have went with an easier weapon lmao

But for some reason I suspected Zeus shield had enough potential

so I gunned for it

Nonetheless

[rain sedge]

talking about easy weapons

may I offer an eris at this trying time?

[honest kernel]

I'll go to Eris if I have to dammit

[rain sedge]

come join me, be filthy

I bought into your athena call religion

you should buy into mine

[gaunt fiber]

I'm grateful to Athena call

it offered me my first EM4 clear

[rain sedge]

btw just confirming

blizzard shot is bad right

the cast moves too slow to make the actual cast damage impact?

[honest kernel]

If your room clears are good, the boss damage is nuts

If not, don't bother lol

[rain sedge]

hmm I see

I might accidentally get it

[honest kernel]

I tried

It was way too slow for rooms

[rain sedge]

I did struggle for boss damage at hades

without mriage shot there's nothing helping my cast tbh

it's hard to find and pick up the bloodstones not gonna lie

[true fable]

i dont like blizz shot on poseidon

base flood shot is just better lol

im sorry i thought demeter boons were supposed to make the enemies slow not make you slow

[honest kernel]

No she also gives McDonnalds

[rain sedge]

ugh, really struggling today

can't believe I died to dad with greater recall...

[true fable]

it happens

you'll get greater recall more than youd expect to with legacy

as long as no AP

[rain sedge]

it's ap1

[honest kernel]

Me that dies with full Athena Call in the Lernie fight because of blue mini-heads I feel you on that one

[true fable]

i dont think ap1 is worth it

imo

my runs with poseidon went much better after i went AP0

[rain sedge]

what's your setup?

[true fable]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[rain sedge]

looks like I have survived 0 god's trial at tartarus today

cool you basically swapped 2 HL for AP1 compared to me

I'll try that

[true fable]

HL5 is at least merely death of the body

AP1 is death of the soul

[tidal flame]

everyone is doing 6x40

[honest kernel]

Ya

Did the 5 remaining weapons today

[tidal flame]

can't keep up with the time

😦

[true fable]

nice job baj

[rain sedge]

already? damn

I struggle to even get my third one

[honest kernel]

Half of them I abused Athena call lol

[true fable]

apt name

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

[lunar stump]

what would you guys recommend for starting higher heat runs?

[honest kernel]

Depends on the weapon/the heat level

[lunar stump]

tried a 32 with rail and got perma swarmed in elysium

[rain sedge]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[sly remnant]

i guess eris since we'll be playing eris until the end of time

[rain sedge]

there you go uni

[lunar stump]

oh nice ty

[true fable]

perma swarmed?

[tidal flame]

tyler show me where Eris hurts you

[true fable]

are you running JS3 or something?

[lunar stump]

yea I just didn't have enough damage to deal with the waves

[gaunt fiber]

lemme check my usage of eris

[rain sedge]

I mean eris is pretty free

do you know you can dodge while attacking?

[gaunt fiber]

I played Eris 8 times. It's my PB in time

lol

[lunar stump]

yea i was perma dash striking but it was still gross lmao

lemme pull it up to see the heat

[rain sedge]

what build are you running?

I'm somewhat good at eris, can help

[lunar stump]

i was running zeus poseidon cause I'm used to speed running and it seems good lol

[rain sedge]

mhmm, if you're confident that's fine at 32

I would say athena dash if you're less confident

[honest kernel]

^

[lunar stump]

i had HL1 LC1 JS3 EM2 CP2 BP2 MM FO2 HS DC2 and TD3

[sly remnant]

thats a nightmare setup for your first clear

[honest kernel]

TD3 and JS3

Both of these alone are yikes

[sly remnant]

CP2 and DC2 as well

[rain sedge]

what is that setup

no, DC2 is free on eris

[lunar stump]

yea I didn't know what to put so I just kinda put them randomly LOL

[tidal flame]

Take UC and less the JS

[honest kernel]

CP2, avoid like the plague

or CP for that matter

[tidal flame]

should help you a decent amount

[sly remnant]

avoid CP entirely

[rain sedge]

I mean JS3 is... kinda fine? on eris?

[honest kernel]

It's ok on Eris

[rain sedge]

but idk what that HS is doing there, for your first clear FO2 might not be the best idea

LC4 if you're confident

[tidal flame]

it's 32 heat

[sly remnant]

also why is everyone scared of HL

its not that bad

[tidal flame]

the heat has to go somewhere

also I would do FO2 before LC4 tbh

[sly remnant]

you take way more damage from FO2 than HL5

[honest kernel]

Also consider pumping 1 or 2 heat at 'least in HL

[rain sedge]

I'd take LC4 any day

[tidal flame]

well rip, everyone has a different idea of what 32 heat should be lol

[rain sedge]

ok we're confusing uni

basically

[honest kernel]

^

[rain sedge]

take HS out

take CP out

[lunar stump]

i am a leetol confused yes

[rain sedge]

that's for sure

everyone agrees on that

put UC in

[true fable]

for the most part yeah

[rain sedge]

then reassemble the HL/JS/FO part

you'll be fine it's 32 on eris

[tidal flame]

ill go in game and paste screenshot

[true fable]

if youre still having trouble after taking out CP2 you can take out some JS levels

remember that CP also affects boss health

with FO2 that means more time to make a costly mistake

[lunar stump]

yea that seems like itd be a lot better cause i was getting swarms and swarms with JS3 and FO2 and they had stupid health

[rain sedge]

alright I just died to power couple again

I hate this boss so much on cast builds

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/de3d89b73ce9e8acb6037e6a05cc1369

[true fable]

its not that bad

[honest kernel]

You could consider playing aroud with FO or HL here

And getting in levels of JS

[sly remnant]

i like Baj's setup

[true fable]

bait skull crusher down on top of the gorgon and triple cast both of them

[rain sedge]

other than LC1, I agree

I'm doing that

[honest kernel]

Also LC, yeah

[true fable]

lol im just lazy and would prefer SD LC4

[sly remnant]

SD takes time to adjust if you aren't used to it

[honest kernel]

^

[true fable]

definitely yeah

[sly remnant]

i don't think FO2 is the answer

[rain sedge]

he said he's a speedrunner

speedrunners run FO2

[sly remnant]

you are gonna take more damage than you realize

[honest kernel]

Could go FO1 and have some ammount of JS instead yeah

[rain sedge]

maybe he's used to it idk

[lunar stump]

yea im used to running EM2 FO2 always

[true fable]

even so FO2 is recognized as very hazardous for speedrunners

[sly remnant]

^

[honest kernel]

Then sure, the more power to you

I always run it lol

[sly remnant]

if you feel comfortable take it

[honest kernel]

^

[lunar stump]

FO2 gets spicy in asphodel so i usually only run it for eris

[sly remnant]

but i promise HL is way more manageable than FO

[tidal flame]

https://imgur.com/vjn9fb6

This is what I would use for 32 heat eris

[true fable]

ok are you having more trouble with rooms or bosses

[rain sedge]

LC0

[tidal flame]

people will disagree on some particular

[lunar stump]

rooms for sure

[tidal flame]

pick your poison

[true fable]

that setup also looks good to me

[honest kernel]

DC is also good heat to put into for Eris

[rain sedge]

yeah fine whatever LC0 is good for first timers

[honest kernel]

Forgot about that

[sly remnant]

drop one FO and take 3 mroe HL

[true fable]

i would take off HS and add a couple levels of JS

[honest kernel]

One FO -> 2 DC and one HL

[rain sedge]

I would take off HS and use CF2

[honest kernel]

or something like that

[true fable]

but im confident in my eris going fast enough with JS

[sly remnant]

yea i'd take JS3 if i didn't care about speed or getting better on 32 heat

[true fable]

i think taking off CP2 should make the biggest difference for room clear though uni

[honest kernel]

^^^^^^

[lunar stump]

mmm i feel like zeus eris makes DC and JS almost a non-issue

[sly remnant]

i agree

[lunar stump]

yea CP2 is gross

[rain sedge]

just take out the HS

[tidal flame]

yeah. though perosnally i wouldn't max JS

JS1 or 2 is fine

JS3 leads to many styx tunnels having more waves

[true fable]

^^

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/da448308c5662e186270ecb82f39c78f

[tidal flame]

just from personal experience

[lunar stump]

oh n o

[honest kernel]

So something like that for Eris specifically

[sly remnant]

i agree with baj

[rain sedge]

yeah something like that works

[tidal flame]

so yeah you have many options uni

[sly remnant]

thats the eris setup

[true fable]

the issue isnt that eris cant kill them its that a room of unarmored witches and numbskulls will spawn in 10 waves

[tidal flame]

good luck

[true fable]

yeah that pact setup looks good

[lunar stump]

thank u guys this was very helpful

[true fable]

just pick one and fiddle around with whatevers killing you

[sly remnant]

i'd still consider dropping FO entirely for two more HL and one LC

FO is not just a 20% damage increase

its far more than that

[true fable]

i dont think FO1 is that bad

[honest kernel]

With all that being said, you can and should fiddle around with the pact

[true fable]

FO2 is testing the limits of my admittedly very slow reaction time

[honest kernel]

But this base should be enough

[gaunt fiber]

20% dmg increase ?

[honest kernel]

FO increases damage and speed

[gaunt fiber]

lmao

[sly remnant]

i think there's this idea that +20% more attacks and speed increases the damage you take by 20%

which is very very very wrong

[gaunt fiber]

move attack faster

[cinder cave]

is anybody actually thinking that

[gaunt fiber]

thought that was it

[lunar stump]

i think swapping EM3 for FO2 is decent since in theory i should have a good enough build to only lose like 1 DD

[tidal flame]

are we talking in general or for uni?

[rain sedge]

why would you take out EM3

[sly remnant]

in general

[tidal flame]

ik this channel is all about 40+ stuff

[rain sedge]

on eris out of all weapons

[true fable]

EM3 is quite ez on FO1/FO0

[sly remnant]

peoplle very much underestimate FO if they are new to high heat

[lunar stump]

never run EM3 oopsie

[tidal flame]

but 32 heat is also about experimentation

[true fable]

its really FO2 that gives EM3 asterius the juice

[tidal flame]

let the guy play the game and figure it out lol

I would take AP1 in 32 heat, also

didn't want to say it

[true fable]

no playing hades is not allowed

[tidal flame]

because people will be like

why would you take that sub 40 yada yada

seriously

[sly remnant]

i actually agree with you fox

[lunar stump]

no playing of the game here

[honest kernel]

No playing, only backseat

[true fable]

uni you better start a run before your entire pact gets disavowed again

LOL

[sly remnant]

if you are new to high heat AP1 is good for waiting for it to cooperate for a free run with a consistent weapon like eris or demeter

you need like 2 boons for eris and a decent hammer. and only like 3 boons on demeter if you go lightning fists

[tidal flame]

in general, AP1 with RI0 is fine

your attack got crossed?

big whoop, roll again

and Dark Foresight make up for whatever stuff you missed.

[true fable]

yeah i wouldnt do that on a cast build

[honest kernel]

Attack remains crossed for the entire run Welp I guess that happened

[true fable]

rolling twice for your first boon is pain

[sly remnant]

also if you are comfortable with high heat

if you are comfortable AP is a bad idea

[tidal flame]

I seed my high heat runs

sue me

xD

[sly remnant]

but if you are new its perfectly fine

[true fable]

LOL

[tidal flame]

it's for personal achievement, I don't want to grind

[honest kernel]

Understandable

[tidal flame]

and if Tail made 50 heat with Epic lightning strike on RI2 AP1

[rain sedge]

like seed seed or just the first room boon

[honest kernel]

Probably just the first room

[tidal flame]

yeah, I am not as good as he is, ill take my free boon tyvm

[gaunt fiber]

Charged skewer room 1 sure is tempting ngl

[true fable]

lightning strike is good on fists though

[rain sedge]

not having to suicide on room 5 when you don't get lightning strike at 50 is tempting.... if only I could

[honest kernel]

Oh what I would do for an Epic Special into Explosive Return on Zeus aspect

[sly remnant]

seeding is fine i think

[rain sedge]

I mean idk how y'all seed on PC but

[sly remnant]

i don't do it for speedrun purposes

[rain sedge]

if you mean seed the first boon, sure I guess

[gaunt fiber]

I totally did "seed" to practice again and again

[rain sedge]

but if you mean

route the entire run

nah

[sly remnant]

its just first room yea

[rain sedge]

yea that's fair

[true fable]

routing has its place

[sly remnant]

routing is amazing to watch

[honest kernel]

Well I wouldn't start with a common Tempest Strike, that's for sure lol

[sly remnant]

i have zero interest

[rain sedge]

tempest strike is fine on shield, sue me nerds

[sly remnant]

hades luck is...weird

because some aspect do not care

and some aspect very much care

[honest kernel]

I only said that because that was what I started with on my 55 heat clear but whatever I guess

[rain sedge]

oooo blizzard shot

tempting, very very tempting

ok I'm taking it let's see if I live to regret this

[sly remnant]

the problem with seeding is that consistent weapons that need like 2 things OWN at high heat

[true fable]

blizz shot bad

[sly remnant]

and weapons that need very particular things struggle

and the pacts like AP and RI make the distinction even worse

[rain sedge]

ok I alreay regret it

pool of purging save me

[honest kernel]

That's why I started to experiment with Shackles

[sly remnant]

AP and RI let the rich get richer and poor get poorer

[honest kernel]

Crepes even did a 53 heat clear with that

on hestia

[sly remnant]

like straight up

most unique weapons will never be able to compete with aspects that only need 2 things

because so many of the "difficult" pacts are boon based

[lunar stump]

oh yikes

so should i actually look for trash boons to take just for UC

[rain sedge]

yep

[sly remnant]

yes

[rain sedge]

that's the play

[honest kernel]

Hmm Hmm

[gaunt fiber]

what is "2 things" to you ?

even a hammer ?

[sly remnant]

yep

[gaunt fiber]

Honestly

[honest kernel]

One's hammer, the other's a core boon

[true fable]

so i think theyre trying to confirm this rn

[gaunt fiber]

GY without skewer is a dead run

[true fable]

but with dark foresight

from what i understand

you are guaranteed 2 non miniboss non shop god boons

[gaunt fiber]

and very challenging if you don't get it until Elysium

[true fable]

no more no less

[honest kernel]

Uhm, not exactly

[true fable]

so you can exit tart with 3 boons without shopping iirc

[honest kernel]

You are guaranteed one god boon and one miniboss god boon in Tartarus

[rain sedge]

okay blizzard shot ruined my run

clowns

[honest kernel]

Rest is 1 minimum from the miniboss

[rain sedge]

I can't even see where my bloodstone went

[honest kernel]

Rest is shop

[true fable]

i thought you were guaranteed 2 non miniboss?

[rain sedge]

screw you useless ass boon giver granny

[true fable]

is it only 1?

[honest kernel]

It's only 1

If you start hammer into early miniboss

It could happen

[true fable]

ah right hammer startss

[sly remnant]

but again. this is the thing that frustrates me with super high heat

two of the "hardest boons" are almost nothing on some weapons and the entire world on others

[true fable]

looks like AP is an even chance

even if it doesnt feel like it

[sly remnant]

how are you verifying that bright

i swear to god it snipers green boons an dnever hits orange boons

and it loves to hit attack

[true fable]

someone in speed disc

im asking them for lua

[honest kernel]

hammer from the speedrunning discord mentionned it just selected randomly

So where you see patterns are merely fragments of your imagination and salt

[sly remnant]

its probably confirmation bias i always knew that

[rain sedge]

it has a machine learning module to determine the best boon, and crosses it out

[true fable]

i just want to make sure its verified in the code

[rain sedge]

I've always said this

[sly remnant]

but that doesn't change the core fact

that AP and RI make the issues in weapon design even worse

[honest kernel]

Or that we weren't supposed to push the heat as high as this

[gaunt fiber]

RI = skill, git gud

[sly remnant]

no we aren't supposed to push it

but come on "if you build it they will come"

[true fable]

"it's only 5 heat just leave it off"

i can hear him now

[sly remnant]

its just a matter that this channel prioritizes heat records above everything else

[honest kernel]

In a sense he's right, since the highest heat level needed to get everything is 32 heat, once

Outside of that it's 20 for non-hellmode, 25 otherwise

[sly remnant]

but people were always gonna be push it

[true fable]

idk about you but i do high heat because its fun

[proud jay]

retrash has the other reasons covered

[true fable]

you ever do 54 heat zag aspect for youtube views

god i wish that were me

[honest kernel]

Time for me to roll Cursed Slash Flurry Jab again and make a video of it

at high heat

[rain sedge]

you ever do 6x40 speedrun just for content

[honest kernel]

Bablo did that today lmao

[rain sedge]

did you even die inbetween bablo?

yea that's what I refering to

[honest kernel]

No deaths from what I saw

[proud jay]

40 wasn't speedrun

[true fable]

no deaths iirc

[rain sedge]

here I am on my 20th death on poseidon 40 today

[proud jay]

technically im on a 12x 32+ win streak atm

40 heat is the most fun i've had with the game in a while

[honest kernel]

Same deal for me

Had a blast messing around with what I could do

But it wasn't free either

[proud jay]

definitely not free

[true fable]

feels less rouletty

as long as you arent running AP

[proud jay]

you can still die in chamber 2 to bad BP combos

[true fable]

you have to actually have your brain on during boss fights

feels nice

[rain sedge]

or you just delta chamber eris and leave the brain on the side

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/dc03ae966fcb97a381635e4f7bb144e8

This is the pact I'd mess around with on shield

Probably turn on HS depending on how I feel

[true fable]

No RI boonless stuff?

[honest kernel]

Hey, I said mess around

Not practise for stupid high heat runs

[rain sedge]

oh god im in a room full of +hp multiplying witches

dear god what did I do today

dead xd

[honest kernel]

You angered the rat witches

[true fable]

you ever just walk into a room of seeker cloning witches and just stop playing

[rain sedge]

alright one last run then I sleep

[proud jay]

i was able to turn off my brain in this nemesis run
https://imgur.com/a/YI1otrr

[honest kernel]

Wooo Weee

Half dodge chance here I go

[gaunt fiber]

damn the dodge

[proud jay]

double+super nova athena special with DR

[gaunt fiber]

400 hp lmao

[true fable]

special go brr

when did that life affirmation get there lol

like tart/aspho?

[proud jay]

later probably

idk

[true fable]

i love that you didnt highlight the deadly reversal hiding in the corner

[proud jay]

that was the safety highlight

here's what actually mattered
https://imgur.com/a/3lbr5RR

[lunar stump]

thank u to everyone who helped before!

just did 32 with eris yay

[tidal flame]

nice!

gj!

[true fable]

nice! time to do 40

[gaunt fiber]

Enjoy your statue

[rain sedge]

6x32 next

[lunar stump]

statue :0

32 on shield will be pain i dont like using beo lol

[true fable]

i remeber thinking i would stop playing after i got the statue

[proud jay]

i suggest chaos shield

[true fable]

lol

yeah chaos shield is good

[honest kernel]

Chaos or Beowulf

The 2 playstyles of shield

[true fable]

slap some zeus or ares on that bad boy and it goes

[honest kernel]

Zag shield is boneless Zeus shield, and Zeus shield is wack

[true fable]

baj i love how you didnt recommend your shield lol

[rain sedge]

I said the same thing in this exact channel too

[lunar stump]

what do u guys mean with the statue

[rain sedge]

I even asked a guy who was doing 40, why would you ever do 40 lol

and look at where we are now

..... oh god

[tidal flame]

bruh

[rain sedge]

what # clear are you uni

[lunar stump]

uh

[honest kernel]

Wouldn't be the first time I played something because it was weird and I liked it more than because it was the good option

[rain sedge]

wait is the statue even clear dependent

[true fable]

lol this is gonna be their 3rd clear huh

[tidal flame]

where did you get the 32 heat idea from?

[lunar stump]

35th clear

[rain sedge]

skelly statue?

surely it's in your courtyard

[lunar stump]

nop

[tidal flame]

wait, im curious

where did you hear about 32 heat

[true fable]

check the bottom of your courtyard, by the window

[rain sedge]

screenshot us

[lunar stump]

https://imgur.com/a/aEobDb2

[proud jay]

huh

[true fable]

yep those are the statues

[rain sedge]

what in the lord's good name

[lunar stump]

i heard about 32 heat from here!

[true fable]

try uncovering them boyo

[lunar stump]

and thought it was fun

[cinder cave]

see there's a good reason for this channel's existence finally

[lunar stump]

oh am i supposed to interact with those oops

[true fable]

this is a new one

[rain sedge]

people literally do 32 just for these useless trinkets

[cinder cave]

gratz

on achieving the most useful trinkets of all time

[rain sedge]

hang on, you must have gotten the prophecy for that

[proud jay]

people literally do 55 heat for ???

[true fable]

someone who did 32 purely for 32

[lunar stump]

nope

[rain sedge]

the trinket is 8 heat only

[lunar stump]

i'd never touched them before HAHA

[rain sedge]

.....

this is a bug, right?

guys?

[cinder cave]

xdxd

[rain sedge]

uhhh interact with them?

try pressing R in front of them

[lunar stump]

o h

[rain sedge]

or whatever button you use to interact

[cinder cave]

R?

[lunar stump]

now i see woops

[rain sedge]

man idk what you PC people do to interact

[lunar stump]

HAHAHAHA

[rain sedge]

it's R for me

[cinder cave]

:D

[honest kernel]

E

[rain sedge]

.............................

bruh

like

[lunar stump]

i thought they unlocked by themselves when u did something

[honest kernel]

I do E for interact

[cinder cave]

R is default for reload

[rain sedge]

you MUST have gotten a conversation for that

[lunar stump]

nop

ive maxed skelly as well thats so funny

[tidal flame]

people also skip convos

i know i do

[rain sedge]

skipping convos at hades weirdchamp

[true fable]

i skip convos because rta

uni you are truly the spirit of this channel

[lunar stump]

now that makes sense

[true fable]

not motivated by extrinsic reward

[cinder cave]

See they went to all the effort to get Hades to specfically acknowledge if you didn't need Olympian aid to get to the surface

[lunar stump]

cause i was wondering why people were like fixated on 32 as a specific number lmao

[cinder cave]

presumably for you all to instantly skip past it

[rain sedge]

today has been a day for this channel

uni your name will forever live in legend

[true fable]

now i know its gonna end with retrash dropping that 54 zag sword victory screen

[honest kernel]

just wait until I do 58 Zeus shield

[rain sedge]

you will be in the hall of fame along with Retrash "worst aspect 50+ clear" Retrash and Nyanya "RI4 32 heat all weapon" mewmew

and other people

yea baj I'm rooting for you hard

let's go bby

[honest kernel]

Patch can't come any sooner

I NEED that shackles buff

[true fable]

test branch in the meantime?

[rain sedge]

switch players still at pre-september patch btw

[honest kernel]

Did that a few times

[rain sedge]

[honest kernel]

But I want the run to be legitimate

[tidal flame]

is that 1.0 for switch?

[rain sedge]

just end me already with all these bugs and missing content

1.36 for me

[true fable]

wait you did it already on test branch baj?

[rain sedge]

and lags everytime multiplying enemy spawn

[lunar stump]

32 was fun tho

[honest kernel]

No, but got close with 55

T'was the meme beam run

[lunar stump]

maybe i try for 40

[honest kernel]

That somehow got there

[true fable]

oh i was gonna say

[honest kernel]

With the Shackles buff

[true fable]

58 even on test branch is worth noting

[honest kernel]

I MIGHT be able to turn on CP1 or CP2

And add in PL from a hellmode save

[rain sedge]

40 on eris is pretty free I must say

[tidal flame]

and high heat claims another soul

40 is ok

upper 40 to 50 is suffering territory

[rain sedge]

even 50 is free

I can say that now oh god

this is what all my suffering is for

to flex

now I know why retrash do things

if you look at my courtyard my eris gun is soaked with tears

[tidal flame]

my highest is 46. got to Hades 3 times on Demeter fists at 50

i don't want to grind that so yeah

[rain sedge]

I grinded 50 eris pretty hard

it was uh.... an experience

[true fable]

i got to hades with beo on 45 first try

feels doable

[rain sedge]

pogU bright

[true fable]

just gotta learn superdad

[lunar stump]

i rlly should farm low heat for titan blood so i can fully upgrade dem fists huh

[true fable]

that fight is hard

[rain sedge]

I haven't touched EM4 in ages

[true fable]

lost SD and DD in first phase vs EM4 dad

[rain sedge]

yea that achilles spear throw on FO2 is uh, something

without 3 dashes I think you just die

next best weapon for high heat is chiron btw uni

these people will try to lead you astray, but it's the truth

[tidal flame]

dem fists is good if not for boss fights

paiiinnnn

[lunar stump]

chiron,,,

do u just go artemis special?

[rain sedge]

yep, it's free

yeah heart rend artemis special

and pray for special hammer

[tidal flame]

lightning strike and artemis spec

[rain sedge]

?

[tidal flame]

breaching cross long knuckle explosive upper

oh wait

[rain sedge]

oh demeter

yea yea

[tidal flame]

yeah for dem. sorry i was confused

[rain sedge]

my build is for chiron

[tidal flame]

we are talkign about chiron

[lunar stump]

yea i found that chiron's damage without special hammer is kinda scuffed late

[rain sedge]

fox's build is the more reliable demeter build

some people like to reroll for merciful ending. I am not one of those people

[true fable]

lightning strike art special is the standard for dem fists now

[tidal flame]

ME at high heat

[sly remnant]

i hate grinding ME luck

[true fable]

merciful end stinky

[rain sedge]

ME people are the same people who buy lottery tickets on weekends

[sly remnant]

it was legit for high heat when divine dash enabled ME

[true fable]

yeah.

now you just need 5 boons to get full build

[rain sedge]

soon sea storm won't be procced by tidal dash too...

[true fable]

5 very specific boons

[proud jay]

it's still legit once you find it somehow

[rain sedge]

[sly remnant]

oh absolutely

its still legit for sure

but if i want to get lucky on a weapon

i feel like there are better ones to try

[tidal flame]

once you find it somehow
yeah about that

[proud jay]

that's why AP2 is terrible

one day someone will find ME on fists at 58 heat

[rain sedge]

I feel like when you run AP2 you sort of given up on aiming for a build

and go the baj way, shackle it

[true fable]

if lili gets into high heat im sure it'll be done next week

[proud jay]

perhaps

he does a crazy number of resets

[sly remnant]

i mean that is the AP2 way

[true fable]

sample size will even out RNG i guess

[tidal flame]

luckily lili likes to grind any heat Eris

[sly remnant]

that makes zero sense to me

[proud jay]

he just wants all rail records

[gaunt fiber]

I don't know how can people do AP 2

I'd rather play without mirror

Except for SD I guess

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber why not both?

[gaunt fiber]

Because I don't like resets

I don't like the idea of getting a blessed run and saying after "Hey guys that was high heat"

[proud jay]

start streaking wins

[gaunt fiber]

Lol

[proud jay]

forces you to go for consistency

[gaunt fiber]

That's true

But I can't imagine clearing high heat without skewer on GY

[proud jay]

if you start with athena special

you can go either skewer or ME

that's at least two options

i know that's not good but that's what i got for GY

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah true

But the problem remains the same to me

AP2 can just grab your win away lol

[true fable]

didnt tail do artemis special start

[fluid marten]

I just beat a 32 heat run for the first time! Did it with Excalibur and a lot of hangover and lightning

[mossy zinc]

Tailesque got Charged Skewer in Tartarus lol. bablo is recommending Owl Pendant for consistency.

It's not a bad idea.

[true fable]

i see

i have not seen that run

[gaunt fiber]

Not getting skewer in Tartarus is ok

I did some owl pendant too

But you know, Eternal rose

[true fable]

congrats!🎊

[spring kettle]

Even AP1 is painful

cries in xed out divine dash

[dire steppe]

the other dashes need a buff

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah, hunter dash to 200% pls

[dire steppe]

well hunter dash is fine

[gaunt fiber]

Nah

Need more

more

[dire steppe]

but does anyone actually use like passion dash lol

or mistral

[spring kettle]

my first win was with passion dash

[gaunt fiber]

I like passion

[dire steppe]

hunting blades should make blade dash seek for the meme

[spring kettle]

but ever since then, I never touched her dash

[proud jay]

how else do you get heart rend

heart rend is one of the few ways to make your attacks scale mega hard

[spring kettle]

aphrodite has strong attack damage% increase, that's how

[proud jay]

artemis is going to scale better than aphro with heart rend

like, it's not even comparable

[dire steppe]

i should try zag bow with aphro attack and heart rend

[gaunt fiber]

Heart rend will be taken out by AP

So

[spring kettle]

AP knows what you want and then works against you

[dire steppe]

how high is the record for zag bow

[true fable]

passion dash is quite good

pretty decent ish base damage now and as bablo mentioned reliably gives you heart rend

i like it a lot on dem fists

although athena dash is king

[spring kettle]

good way of getting privileged status at least + damage reduction

[true fable]

priv status is useless unless youre doing it for the sound effects

[gaunt fiber]

It's a good sound

[true fable]

it is

[gaunt fiber]

I thought it was really op at first tho

[true fable]

40 is a large number

[spring kettle]

what, do you like family favorite better?

[hollow lynx]

priv has sound effects now?

[true fable]

most people like FF better

i think low tolerance is the one build i'll use priv stat on

only high heat runner ive seen use priv status all the time is wobbles

[true fable]

yeah priv status literally goes brrr

[north dove]

No 54 heat zag sword today Furies are being mean to me

[proud jay]

what an absolute legend

[ripe crane]

Lagged to death during a nearly perfect 54 Hestia run. Very sad

Which at this point that just means lucked into good hammers and greatest reflex with RI3 and AP2

[obtuse bluff]

is 32 heat considered high heat?

[tidal flame]

yeah

[ripe crane]

High enough to take about here, sure

[obtuse bluff]

I'm going to give it a shot, was wondering what I should take on the pact

prolly going to use the eris rail since it's for the prize

[tidal flame]

https://i.imgur.com/vjn9fb6.png

we actually talked about this earlier

this is one option

let me find the other one

https://gyazo.com/da448308c5662e186270ecb82f39c78f

some variations of this also works

[obtuse bluff]

thank you

[tidal flame]

for Eris

yeah. you can do lightning strike and whatever else. gl!

[obtuse bluff]

ideally, I think I will go zeus atk, pose/aphro special, athena dash and a bunch of lightning buff

[tidal flame]

yeah that should do it

[obtuse bluff]

hopefully deadline doesn't do me in, I'm usually bad with timed stuff

[tidal flame]

just consciously remind yourself to go fast. pause while thinking, pray for 2sack

[obtuse bluff]

aight, got it

[ripe crane]

I need

More free rooms in Elyseum

[obtuse bluff]

damn, fo will need some adaptation time

[tidal flame]

You can also take points in AP or LC to bring FO down

But 32 heat takes sacrifice

[obtuse bluff]

it's doable imo, lost in elysium

not being able to outrun chariot changed a bit how I have to play ^^

[tidal flame]

Oh yeah that

Or not being able to outrun the cow on EM3

[obtuse bluff]

also lost my dd on lernie because I was out of sync

I imagine I have to dash through it?

[ripe crane]

Yes, dashing through it is best

[obtuse bluff]

also, what kind of mirror perks would you suggest?

[tidal flame]

Is there a specific you want to know?

I just run the popular choices

Like Shadow Presence Dark Regen

[cedar thistle]

popular choices is popular for a reason ^^

[tidal flame]

Dark Foresight is a good pick up if you haven't tried it

[obtuse bluff]

defiance, thick skin/high conf, favor/foresight

[tidal flame]

Stubborn Thick Skin Foresight

[cedar thistle]

think skin, foresight, fated persuasion

[tidal flame]

Hold up

I meant Death

[cedar thistle]

for defiance it kinda depends.. at 32, you can still do the usual DD + healing

[tidal flame]

Dead Defiance

[cedar thistle]

but once you get LC maxed out. that's when you want to go stubborn

[obtuse bluff]

so I'd still keep the 3 dd one

got it

[tidal flame]

There is a strat where you go LC4 and Stubborn Defiance

You can try that but I find it unnecessary at 32 heat.

[obtuse bluff]

will not do that atm, might try if I want to tweak things

[cedar thistle]

agreed. Some people said they found the other way easier. idk i guess for them?

[tidal flame]

Yeah we had a long convo about the perfect heat setup for 32. Every one has different idea. It was a silly backseat session

[obtuse bluff]

I only have charon's keepsake left to max for all achievements on steam, think I'm going to do a run with only FO rn so that I can get back in the rhythm of things

well, different play style would change what's easier

[tidal flame]

Yeah. You have options and I hope time to play the game.

[obtuse bluff]

also which companion do you suggest? i've pretty much only been using bouldy so far

[tidal flame]

Bouldy works.

[cedar thistle]

bouldy is good

[tidal flame]

I also used him for my 32 attempts

[cedar thistle]

gold, healing, enough burst for minibosses

is good

[obtuse bluff]

the thing is I actually lost some dps at some point because I didn't realize that his coins/darkness blocked my shots

[tidal flame]

Oh yeah that

It also blocks enemies projectiles

[cedar thistle]

yea coices and darkness are pretty funny

[obtuse bluff]

also lost some hp trying to get the coins that dropped in the lava

[cedar thistle]

theseus can bump into them too. pretty funny

[tidal flame]

So at least it works both way I suppose

[obtuse bluff]

fair

if not bouldy, was battie the most reliable usually?

[tidal flame]

Yup

Bouldy then Battie then Antos

Would be my guess for popularity in general

[edgy arrow]

i once somehow trapped asterius between the coin and the darkness and he couldn’t get out

most hilarious thing i’ve ever seen

[ripe crane]

Finally watched Tail's 40 heat speedrun. It's absurd how fast Rama can clear Elyseum and Dad. My fastest Asphodel escape today was ahead of his by almost 30 seconds and I didn't even get below 10:30 with that.

[loud coral]

Been trying to beat 32 heat with level 1 GY and High Confidence, gotta say Styx is annoying as hell thanks to the poison

Also been trying to force myself into trying to not take health rewards so I had 30 health walking into Styx

[mossy zinc]

Just don't get hit.

[loud coral]

Honestly Tart-Elysium is baby mode with this kind of build

[mossy zinc]

I like that energy, though. Guan Yu is so much fun.

[loud coral]

Not even Charged Skewer and Heart Rend could save me from poison eating up my health though

Guess I'll take another crack at it later, building around FO0 is kinda weird but I think I managed to make it work

[mossy zinc]

You can actually just do HL5 LC4 FO0 if the plan is to not get hit anyway lol.

9 out of 32 already right there.

[loud coral]

Lemme get my full pact setup actually

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/759541019871019010/782155521275985920/unknown.png Was gonna take TD3 but I'll need to camp enemies out a bit

[mossy zinc]

TD3 JS0 and no HS should be better.

[loud coral]

Hm, alright

[cedar thistle]

HL on GY

that's a little scary

[loud coral]

Dad might be an issue for me with TD3 but if I get both Athena SD boons I should hopefully be okay

Already on 15 health, 20 damage hits becoming 40 damage isn't gonna matter

[cedar thistle]

that's why it matters tho

oh wait..

[mossy zinc]

Doesn't really matter if the goal is no-hitting the run anyway lol.

[cedar thistle]

eh. i mean if your goal is near no hits i guess.

[mossy zinc]

If you get Charged Skewer + Deadly Flourish, killing Hades before you even take 5 hits with Acorn is very doable.