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#h1-high-heat-strategies
honest kernel
true fable
you got this
rain sedge
athena call, divine dash, +1 dash, jolted
this is very ideal except for the sure footing
and yes crepes, good luck! you got this
rain sedge
yea
honest kernel
For the Death Defy
proud jay
you're ready for whatever life throws at you once you tank a 53 heat run against dad
honest kernel
I've tanked COUNTLESS EM4 attempts at 55 heat, and I still don't feel ready for anything lol
rain sedge
nah, the last stand got APed
honest kernel
Oof, no rerolls I assume
rain sedge
only holy shield or proud bearing
I already rerolled for it
got the exact same uncrossed boon
honest kernel
Proud Bearing is fine, right
rain sedge
it's fine I got some meme beam for buffer
true fable
so is holy shield tbh
rain sedge
nah I am taking h9oly shield
honest kernel
Athena Call
rain sedge
you underestimate how bad I am
I'm gonna walk into some trap sometime soon
also I took delta chamber over richocet fire
honest kernel
Holy Shield ain't saving you from the trap damage lol
rain sedge
based on our conversation
no, but I envision it going I got hit by something--> i walk into urn
honest kernel
Past Asphodel
rain sedge
ok second chance at athena boon
rain sedge
CROSSED AGAIN
it's fine it's fine I got stubborn roots
no big deal it's cool it's cool
just get 2 sac and I can stall
true fable
good god that is quite a boon
honest kernel
... Assuming you are on your last death defy
rain sedge
any thoughts and prayer
I feel like this is the run
I got all I can reasonably ask for in terms of boons
and delta chamber + cluster bomb
honest kernel
Here's hoping the vermins stay at bay
true fable
why is AP a thing
honest kernel
Because masochists exist
rain sedge
just 3
honest kernel
Ok you still have a shot with Accorn
honest kernel
What weapon/hammers
rain sedge
eris
honest kernel
Dodge
loud coral
Yeah spear
honest kernel
I'd take it for Shield
true fable
zeus shield?
honest kernel
About any
loud coral
Arthur is a biggie
true fable
i would not take it on beo
honest kernel
Less time before you are able to block is ALWAYS useful
true fable
no reason to do standing attack
loud coral
I only take Swift Strike if it's rare or better, 10% isn't that good imo
honest kernel
I guess on Beo it's whatever yeah
rain sedge
if it's 30% it's big deal
honest kernel
But even then, for Non-Beo you get a good chunk of damage from your attacks
rain sedge
ok I didnt even lose SD
honest kernel
So anything that boosts that is good
ripe crane
Made it through Phase 1 without getting hit. Lost my entire first life to laser after getting stuck on a rock or something on the right side. I've gotten stuck there many times. Succeeded tho 😎
honest kernel
PL ?
honest kernel
Has to be PL
rain sedge
post post psot
rain sedge
very nice!
huh, does the spread fire work like I think it does?
the shot become short range for extra 25 damage?
honest kernel
First shot is still Hestia Shot
ripe crane
You get regular Hestia shot but your other shots are the shotfun
honest kernel
Rest is short-range
rain sedge
ah no big deal then
honest kernel
So the best of both worlds
rain sedge
cool just need to beat dad without patty
ripe crane
Yeah, very glad I got to use my favorite hammer for this 😄
true fable
looks like hestia really is bestia
rain sedge
cool cool cool
true fable
hazard bomb?
rain sedge
eris players wipes their tear
true fable
do i spot a level 2 blinding flash 👀
loud coral
Man I haven't run Hestia in weeks
true fable
i am looking respectfully
ripe crane
Shotgun! It was the first room hammer. Hazard bomb is way better and helped me get through Elyseum in time, but I like shotgun more 😛
honest kernel
Runs are about to get nuked from the archives anyways
Because lol dad keepsake changes
true fable
wait i thought they were just gonna be archived
ripe crane
54 could happen with another point in CP, but without DC I don't think this shackle setup could go much further.
Gonna need EM4 I think? I don't know
honest kernel
Could technically go TD2 EM4 for another heat
But yeah
DC is a big obstacle for Hestia
rain sedge
not 2 sac I see
ripe crane
Also Shackle is the real deal. It's so real. I just left it on the entire time.
rain sedge
I might run out of time
proud jay
oh man hazard bomb stonks
ripe crane
Love hazard bomb. Feel kinda bad for the Eris players that don't get to use it
honest kernel
Droping literal nukes
proud jay
i've had decent ~50 heat attempts with hazard bomb on eris
rain sedge
I've been such a good boy today pls help me
honest kernel
Is it a 3 sac ?
rain sedge
not sure yet
honest kernel
on EM3, that should be enough
rain sedge
EM3 only.. I got 2 DD. divine dash, athena call
honest kernel
You got this
rain sedge
oh if I don't get it now I might as well quit
proud jay
yes
honest kernel
You can still get the buff and dodge the damage at the same time
proud jay
and it deals crazy damage
proud jay
isn't special 60
honest kernel
Wait it might be lol
true fable
isnt it slower though
rain sedge
I tried it on eris and it was so miserable
having to I-frame it
it's HUGEEE damage though
true fable
can you tell i have never used hazard bomb
rain sedge
ok, got 53 seconds left, phase 2, I have yet to lose an HP
acorn gone
might die to TD who knows
proud jay
o boyo
rain sedge
still 1 SD left, TD did get my last SD
honest kernel
Poggers
true fable
nice job
rain sedge
it's not super high compared to what this channel offers, but I'm super happy
true fable
we live in a society
honest kernel
That's still stupid high
proud jay
not too many people have cleared 50 heat
rain sedge
stubborn roots did absolutely nothing
honest kernel
This channel's an echo-chamber for the high heat nutters
rain sedge
I forgot I even had it
honest kernel
Don't base your definition of high heat from here LOL
true fable
i don't, i just think it's funny that schadenfreudic talks about clearing 50 with the caveat that it's low for this channel haha
rain sedge
I mean crepes literally just did 53
and let's not forget retrash's literally impossible clears with some of the worst aspects in the game
ripe crane
I'm not the absolute best so I must be bad 
rain sedge
thanks for all the support btw all ❤️
time to get some 40, hopefully it's not too bad
ripe crane
I can't say anything, it's easy to feel that way, I certainly do sometimes. You did a 50 bro. 50! That's awesome! Keep in mind that the highest ever Eris is 51.
hollow lynx
clearing 50 with the caveat that it's low for this channel haha
me with my highest being 40 😔
true fable
same onyx
rain sedge
yeah thanks, I should be happier 🙂 It's hard to compare myself to the feats of the people in this channel lol
rain sedge
not trying to diss anyone or anything, sorry if it comes across that way!
honest kernel
I mean, to be honest, i'm technically a 1-trick pony with shield lol
ripe crane
Eris has it's reputation because it's so fast. Doesn't necessarily mean it's the best at high heat. 50 is an accomplishment with any weapon
honest kernel
Haven't done 40 with any other weapon yet
true fable
i am quite happy with the things i have done in this game
though i would like to give beo 50 a shot once the new patch rolls out
rain sedge
did that even get a buff?
@true fable I'm doing poseidon 40 right now, will do some big brain strat
lambent plume at ashpodel
high roll for greater recall. use zeus cast
true fable
i just take flurry cast/quick reload for it
it's not too hard to get
ive just been choking at EM2/3
how do you fight lernie when you dont have an effective healthpool of 400 
hollow lynx
well usually i fight him with a bow
rain sedge
....
now that you mentioned lernie
I see that I forgot to turn off HS.
Well, see you back at home soon
true fable
yeah i have HS HL5 right now and it feels more difficult than im used to
i just wanna trade health against him but that is not smart
ripe crane
Hmmmm I am still in test branch. Gonna be sad if shackle changes don't actually take effect and I have a scuffed run lol. Oopsie
honest kernel
That's why I did my 55 heat clear run in the live version, not the test branch lol
Did a few runs with the new shackles in the test-branch to see how much of a difference it made
Then switched back to live for a few attempts
Got it rather fast with pretty decent luck
rain sedge
hard to imagine shackle don't make it live
there's like 5 people who use it seriously, and none of them would be incentivized to tell amir that it's too good
honest kernel
Wouldn't call anything final yet until the test-branch merges with the live version
See : Eris changes
rain sedge
yea I didn't get why that got reverted
like I'm happy? I guess? but it clearly deserved a nerf
true fable
oh true
honest kernel
That's actually dope
true fable
when you cant pick EM4 because your system cant run it 🤣
rain sedge
I guess so?
if I'm allowed to be real here, I hate playing on switch
it's really laggy at some rooms
and the lower res makes it much harder to see enemy attack tells
honest kernel
I only see that as being more impressive
true fable
yep EM4 literally was unplayable for me on switch
honest kernel
Especially with Joycons
rain sedge
and I don't get why the cross save takes so long. We know the save file is the same, someone with modded switch copied the save file to PC and it works
honest kernel
Wouldn't be surprised if it was waiting for approval on Nintendo's end
at this point
That or technical issues because Switch ports are weird
true fable
if i were to speculate it's nintendo being nintendo
rain sedge
no, I'm familiar with the nintendo release process, and it's dreadful
but from the wording... it would seem that cross save is not among the bundled up changes that's being pushed
rain sedge
also the switch joycon isn't so bad IMO, it's just the lack of MKB for some eris shenanigans that hurt
it's quite hard to aim the special, but other than that it's fine
IOS have a 2 week release cycle actually, if your app is already in, it's quite quick
my company does that
rain sedge
......
rain sedge
if you win, all the more flex
loud coral
Welp here goes
true fable
into dad??
honest kernel
For a second, I went : "How do you even do that kind of mistake"
true fable
do you have legacy on schad
honest kernel
And then I realized I am KBM and not Controller
loud coral
Was just looking at the keepsakes and accidentally pressed back lmfao
loud coral
HL5 FO2 Acornless Theseus & Asterius is gonna suck
honest kernel
I'm not saying this for the flex lol
rain sedge
what weapon?
loud coral
Achilles as usual
honest kernel
With the cursor they are literally edges appart
rain sedge
ah yeah, they reverted the achilless buff
honest kernel
Only the damage buff
true fable
at least i can aim eris special and will never pick the wrong keepsake
rain sedge
ok I'm taking stygian soul for this run
nope, bad mistake, resetting
it feels so bad
true fable
for poseidon?
rain sedge
yeah
honest kernel
Does Poseidon ever want Stygian lol
rain sedge
I was trying to big brain myself
we can be "dying to traps with HS" buddies ketchup ❤️
honest kernel
Can I be in the club ? Urns are a problem
loud coral
Still remember that one time I had a super good build then I had the worst trap death
Worse than the urn one even
loud coral
2 of the spear traps hit me at the same time so I died at like 230 health
rain sedge
are you running PL?
honest kernel
Because normally the bubble would have showed up
true fable
HS: fine until it's not
loud coral
I think the shield has a cooldown or something because there's no way that should've happened
true fable
oh 99% of the time i dont think about HS
rain sedge
someone ping amir to change it to 2 heat
true fable
and then i step on a trap
cedar thistle
i sure hades' pots will drop healing for you
honest kernel
I heard last time someone did that, Amir said something like "Just turn it off then lol"
loud coral
rain sedge
smart people, how many times do zeus cast bounce, exactly?
true fable
6 i believe
loud coral
3 I think
true fable
really?
rain sedge
true fable
maybe it's 6 with storm lightning then
hollow lynx
wiki says 5 lol
loud coral
Is Storm Lightning even worth taking to sell
hollow lynx
the only path towards splitting bolt through a chain lightning base
loud coral
Just never felt like it did anything to be honest
cedar thistle
im sure it'll hit once as it exits. that's like a mini exit wound.
rain sedge
yea that's my plan
true fable
lightning rod on poseidon can be nice
ive had lightning rod + greater recall
and even that isnt as stupid as youd think
cedar thistle
i've had that combination before. it still does abit of work.
hollow lynx
except lightning rod lowers the pick-up range on your collectible casts, so if you're immediately focusing down bloodstones, lightning rod is not the way to go
cedar thistle
not really that amazing, but yea, I just think of it as exit wound lite tbh
true fable
i just had a sub 2:30 tart on 40 heat lmao
the most disgusting rng
chaos->miniboss->chaos-> midshop-> fountain to end the biome
loud coral
Chaos doesn't count towards chambers right?
rain sedge
ooooh the speedrunners correct me on this, but I think it doesnt count only if you get it on the chamber before boss
true fable
chaos does as long as its not 12
loud coral
true fable
basically as long as its not offered vs endshop it counts
true fable
so if you need time you should take it
rain sedge
yea this lightning rod pick up range is awful
I might die to TD because of this
yep never picking it again
alright I'm out, night all
today's been good
true fable
haha closest run i had today got to styx
got vermin 5 sacked
im never touching this weapon again lmao
40 heat poseidon is a misery engine
unreal pasture
Lightning Rod pickup range?
Lightning Rod seems reasonably good on Beowulf, to me... obviously not build breaking but it's nice
One thing that I am not sure about is if... the cast stones cause bolts even when they fly through the air/chase you
Since the Hermes Legendary where they naturally return would be ... pretty asynergistic / nonbo
true fable
welp took a break but im walking into hades 3 minutes after the deadline
died to second phase dad
very unfortunate
ripe crane
That doesn't sound like a very fast speedrun
iron jungle
Most disgusting high heat strat? I want that 16 heat extreme measures victory
edgy arrow
16 heat extreme measures? must’ve added EM5 while i wasn’t looking lol
more seriously, the easiest way imo is the eris speedrunning build but switch splash dash for divine dash and use acorn through styx/elysium instead of sigil
true fable
jokes aside i think someone in the modding discord is trying to make EM5 LOL
iron jungle
Lol I mean max extreme measures + others
true fable
what are the others
iron jungle
Oh I'm just using traps and more health. Anything to get that statue
true fable
CP2?
iron jungle
CP2..?
tidal flame
CP2!
edgy arrow
if you’re trying to go for an easier pact setup i don’t recommend pairing HS with EM4
edgy arrow
jokes aside i think someone in the modding discord is trying to make EM5 LOL
i don’t want it but i also want it
mossy zinc
Is the goal easiest setup for 16 Heat?
edgy arrow
for clarity: CP2 and HS are pact abbreviations, there’s a key in the pins
true fable
i also dont recommend CP2 for EM4
edgy arrow
yeah that too
true fable
youre just asking for the thiccest dad imaginable
edgy arrow
Is the goal easiest setup for 16 Heat?
not sure if the goal is easiest 16 or easiest 16 with EM4
mossy zinc
m confused if the goal is easiest 16 Heat or EM4 or both for some reason.
Yeah lol.
I guess EM4 TD3 is 16 Heat.
That sounds like the easiest combo.
But if you're not fast, it's impossible. So you might need to practice and use better builds depending on how fast you normally go.
edgy arrow
i remember when i wasn’t fast
it was yesterday
also today
it’s still me i’m still not fast
mossy zinc
Yeah I guess not everyone can be me. I almost feel bad for people who aren't. 
tidal flame
almost
iron jungle
if you’re trying to go for an easier pact setup i don’t recommend pairing HS wit...
HS?
edgy arrow
Heightened Security; +400% trap damage
iron jungle
Ah
edgy arrow
like i said; the key for the abbreviations is in the pins
iron jungle
Ah, thank you.
twilit orbit
EM4 is one of those pacts that is very fine by itself but combines horribly with so many other pacts that it can become really hard
HS makes pots instantly kill you
tidal flame
well, it "only" does 150 damage
twilit orbit
LC/HL cuts down on the number of mistakes you can make significantly (which is a problem because the fight is really long so you have more opportunities to mess up)
TD is a problem because the fight is really long
FO makes him zoom zoom and makes it much harder to not mess up
loud coral
I guess EM4 TD3 is 16 Heat.
That sounds like the easiest combo.
Might as well toss in HL5 FO2 CP2 while you're at it
mossy zinc
?
loud coral
Guess I'm just a pleb when it comes to EM4 and time
mossy zinc
If your DPS is good, TD3 or no TD3 makes no difference if it's just EM4.
loud coral
I guess that's true, yeah
true fable
ive come to the conclusion that TD matters sometimes
loud coral
I still tend to overtime a lot even in phase 2
mossy zinc
Right. When you add other pacts, it matters quite a lot.
loud coral
Usually just there being a timer can mess me up, guess it's just me though
true fable
i think TD3 only matters with some combination of DC/CP/JS
usually JS3 CP/DC1 is where i start running into issues with most weapons
loud coral
Then you get Speeder Shifter archers and consider uninstalling the game
Speeder is the single worst BP buff, it just adds to the other buffs so much
mossy zinc
It also matters with like CF2 and stuff.
loud coral
Speeder with TD3 isn't very fun either, lost tons of runs because a speeder mob was hogging up time
mossy zinc
It changes your decisions.
true fable
lol i forget people choose not to take midshop
that just like isnt an option in my brain lmao
loud coral
I've only ever skipped midshop like once for Divine Dash and that probably let to me overtiming on Dad and dying
TD3 is probably the worst pact (maybe RI4 too), it just makes all the bad pacts 100 times worse
true fable
AP2 would like to have a word
loud coral
Drunken Dash alone can kill EM4 CP2 with enough time
If you have no sanity left of course
mossy zinc
TD3 doesn't make a big difference for me in most of my runs.
fallow stream
HS makes pots instantly kill you
@twilit orbit
That's what sure footing is for
I mean, if you take HS and don't pick sure footing, I'm not sure about your sanity
normal reef
hy
mossy zinc
@fallow stream what's a sanity? 
fading star
Alrighty, so 42 heat Zag twin fists Hell Mode, KB/M, no aim assist with Dio on attack was pretty solid and fairly easy
Guess I'll keep leveling up this aspect to see how far it can get but at some point I'll likely need to just go EM4 and do several hours of practice on that fight before I can continue on pushing up the heat
formal gust
Today I’m probably gonna get my last weapon to 32 heat
But because I’m a madlad why not skip to 40
My aspect of choice is Chiron
And I want to try a Dio aphro duo build
formal gust
I think i can get away with TD 3
I got speedrunning in my veins
Wow my hammers are triple shot point blank shot and chain shot
Aaand I died to the fast hand enemies
Wait I forgot to turn high confidence off LUL
honest kernel
Going back to 2 dashes feels so weird LOL
Just clearing my 40 heats for other weapons, nabbed the bow one with Chiron easily
rain sedge
weird flex but ok
oh god
I uh
just suicided to lava forgetting I already used my SD
on a basically perfect run for poseidon 40
haha... ha... ha...
cedar thistle
:C
mossy zinc
That's a rite of passage.
true fable
pain
true fable
are you running legacy?
rain sedge
Yeah
honest kernel
asked this earlier, but can i get a recommendation for 32 heat on chiron?
cedar thistle
it's quite subjective. Different people find different things harder.
like some people mind FO more, some mind not having healing more etc.
some people dont' mind em4. some do
honest kernel
what would you personally avoid?
true fable
ive actually become a big fan of aphro attack start on chiron
honest kernel
honestly, jumped from 16 to 32 and getting my ass kicked
cedar thistle
avoid
RI.
AP, 1 at most. no 2.
CP,
HS
ripe crane
EM4
true fable
imo i would avoid JS3 TD3 if possible on chiron but other people have made it work
cedar thistle
take for sure
BP2
TD2-3
EM3
UC
MM
true fable
you dont have to do AP
cedar thistle
opps i didn't mean it
true fable
and you will probably be happier
cedar thistle
i put AP in my avoid list, but somehow repeated it in the take for sure...
cedar thistle
CF is very popular choice.
true fable
i actually hate CF but it may not be bad on chiron
cinder cave
AP2 is the perfect choice for RNG masochists
true fable
im just used to running builds that require 40 boons
cinder cave
as the game dangles your build completing duo or your hammer of choice in front of you
but it's crossed out 
true fable
side not ive become a big believer in artemis attack start for achilles as well
since half the casts in the game synergize with it
cinder cave
that's an interesting insight
that makes sense actually
my current run just took pressure points instead of deadly strike
i'll give it a go next time
cinder cave
.<
true fable
this is why we don't AP
cedar thistle
i got it in one reroll 😐 but yea
rain sedge
"new abyssal blood?"
ripe crane
Yeah it's 30% in the test branch
rain sedge
ah
I'm starting to think HS is the way to go at 40 heat
idk if I get used to avoiding trap but it doesn't seem that bad now
cedar thistle
possible bracer if you don't get footing with the new change? 🤔
honest kernel
Possibly something for melee weapons
ripe crane
Bracer + Abyssal + Weak on Arthur is so much DR and can all be easily guaranteed. Throw in Athena and you can't die.
cedar thistle
wait... death can crit with pressure points? I think i saw a huge number
true fable
i just dont think the bracer provides nearly as much value as the corn
cedar thistle
i wonder if mort can do it
hollow lynx
some enemy-facing damage boosts affect thanatos damage (and summon damage too)
ripe crane
It's not about value, it's about memes
hollow lynx
sweet surrender and targeting system come to mind
cedar thistle
ah. it was probably marked and not pressure points then. that makes sense
was very confused
true fable
gotcha yeah marked can do that lmao
i wonder if splitting headache enables summon crit too
rain sedge
o boy quick reload is in
time for high roll for greater recall
it's happening
INSTANTLY GOT IT
EAASY 40 POSEIDON LET'S GOOOO
gaunt fiber
Gatling time
gaunt fiber
Damn. 10.
rain sedge
but I still had 1 SD left
true fable
how was the 6x32 speedrun bablo
rain sedge
it's 6x40 now apparently
rain sedge
yeah the delta chamber allowed me to turn off brain
I chose cluster bomb on the first hammer instead of delta chamber, and it came back to me
I even chose it over richocet fire
mossy zinc
Congratulations! 
proud jay
how was the 6x32 speedrun bablo
2:19:xx
true fable
that's like 23 minutes RTA per weapon? pretty insane
rain sedge
doesnt help he spawned arrows that keeps regenerating though
gaunt fiber
I'm proud of you
true fable
on poseidon?
proud jay
what's your weapon/heat setup that made it consistent?
the only things i switched around were CF, JS, UC, DC
aspects in order: demeter, nemesis, chiron, achilles, chaos, eris
rain sedge
yea died on poseidon
it's actually hard to get close to dad to dislodge, I had to sell greater recall
mossy zinc
No CF?
proud jay
i took CF sometimes
proud jay
aspects that want to force a single god as much as possible
chaos for zeus, achilles for demeter (meme beam)
mossy zinc
Gotcha.
ripe crane
I don't think I've ever been close to needing money even on CF2
north dove
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/599449585710006288/781967869579362314/unknown.png I don't know how I even got this far
ripe crane
👀
ripe crane
Correct
true fable
aspects in order: demeter, nemesis, chiron, achilles, chaos, eris
what did you end up running on nemesis
ripe crane
So you play RI2/3 and never take off shackle
true fable
zag sword 54 is too much for my brain to handle
mossy zinc
I don't think I've ever been close to needing money even on CF2
You main Hestia. You don't even need boons.
true fable
where does the damage come from lol
true fable
i was wondering how the heck this thing beat deadline and then i saw td2
seems like RI2 TD2 is becoming more popular
north dove
Didn't even make it through phase 1 of dad in 4 minutes
gaunt fiber
High dps weapon
true fable
divine dash damage
gaunt fiber
Today I almost cried in Elysium. No charged skewer is like throwing sticks
mossy zinc
That Deflect damage is pretty good.
Today I almost cried in Elysium.
Wish I'd been there to see it.
true fable
D:
proud jay
what did you end up running on nemesis
double nova with athena on special 
gaunt fiber
Cloaked in your usual kindness I see
mossy zinc
Divine Flourish on Stygius is so nice.
true fable
trying to move into hades clickbait content?
true fable
wow rip
proud jay
double nova is good too
it's underrated
it works even on arthur (especially on arthur)
true fable
dont you usually end up dash canceling the second nova on nem
proud jay
don't need to
especially if you have deflect on special
makes you pretty much invincible for over a second
mossy zinc
Yeah, guys, I think that this Deflect thing is really good. Maybe we should use it more.
proud jay
i've started every nemesis high heat run with athena
true fable
what did you start on achilles? zeus cast still?
i woulda have watched the stream but you go live at very ignorant times for west coast US lol
true fable
as it should
north dove
I might just start trying to streak 45 heat with random aspects
That way I can be free from the shackles of AP2
tidal flame
Lose streaking
Or the other kind of streaking, which can be illegal depending on where you live
gaunt fiber
Yeah I'm good with the first
ripe crane
What are the 40 heat speedrun strats
sly remnant
thats aspect dependent
you'll have to take some "slow" pacts
obviously avoid RI and AP they decrease your consistency which is the most important thing for speedrunning
ripe crane
This would be my heat setup
How am I supposed to use the dad keepsake
Wait why am I doing this now if all the speedruns are about to be archived
true fable
not on hestia lol
proud jay
one of the better ones probably
ripe crane
It adds slowness
true fable
maybe cp for hestia would be fine
waxen relic
Can't tank through EM4
ripe crane
I don't understand what I'm supposed to be taking off. This seems like the least amount of slow things
BP?
sly remnant
UC and CF slow you down because they decrease consistency
true fable
yeah that pact seems fine
ripe crane
I might try EM4 and no BP actually
sly remnant
yea BP is rough
waxen relic
Don't think BP slows as much
mossy zinc
Most BP elites die just as fast as regular elites.
sly remnant
BP1 is fine
mossy zinc
The ones that don't have a higher difficulty rating, mostly, so you get fewer of them.
sly remnant
yea and then you get teleporting seeking witches
mossy zinc
They're the fastest.
ripe crane
They still die just as fast
ripe crane
Doubt
sly remnant
????????
sly remnant
its just a function of understanding that speed = aggression
and BP2 makes encounters more deadly
savior slugger skulls 🙂
mossy zinc
I don't think either Witches or Numbskulls are a problem for Hestia.
tidal flame
I guess in the end of the day, Hestia is still a rail, you can still play it as such
But DC still feels particularly bad though
gaunt fiber
Pew pew
tidal flame
Pew reload Pew
gaunt fiber
Pew pew on skulls tho
tidal flame
true
sly remnant
if you get friendly BP2 sure
tidal flame
though more like lob spec, boom
sly remnant
if you get not friendly BP2
its gonna slow you down
its an unknown quantity
its a lot less easy to plan for
every weapon has to decide how much uncertainty they want when going into a run
sly remnant
right
cloners + another BP perk is very rough and will slow you way the eff down
- if you end up taking an inferno bomb curse
my point is that BP isn't something you can plan for. maybe its still worth it to you
maybe its not
mossy zinc
I think the only ones I really care for anymore are speeders.
sly remnant
but to say it doesn't slow you down at all is incorrect
mossy zinc
Well, nobody said that lol.
mossy zinc
It's pretty true for Hestia tbh. And Crepes plays Hestia.
Their projectiles get destroyed anyway.
sly remnant
i think cloner + savior louts would be worse for hestia
and since you don't run zeus attack peeling that off is pretty difficult
gaunt fiber
Just got hit with the savior speeder numbskulls
Personal favorite
mossy zinc
It was in a Than room 😎
See? Same IGT to kill them as regular elites.
Zero difference.
sly remnant
of course there are times when BP2 is absolutely worth it
its just an unknown
i run BP2 as well
ripe crane
What keepsake should I be taking for elyseum
Is this where people turn on dad keepsake
gaunt fiber
What do you mean worth it ?
ripe crane
I kinda feel like acorn will let me be more aggro
gaunt fiber
Is not it mandatory
sly remnant
soem weapons would rather put that 3 heat somewhere else
gaunt fiber
We talking about 40?
mossy zinc
I don't agree with that at all. BP2 is fine on any aspect.
sly remnant
the reason 40 is more interesting than 32 is that you have to actually take pacts that slow you down
mossy zinc
@ripe crane are you speedrunning or what?
mossy zinc
I don't know if Sigil makes sense on Hestia. You don't really build a lot of gauge.
mossy zinc
Would speed up room-clearing, though, since you get a Call early on in each chamber at least.
tidal flame
oh probably DC2 which doesn't work well with Hestia
mossy zinc
I guess try Sigil and see how it works. You already know how Acorn works out.
sly remnant
i mean doesn't sigil work better with BP2 in order to burst elites down faster
mossy zinc
Hestia doesn't really build gauge, so you only get like one use per encounter maybe? Might still be worth it. Just gotta try and see.
sly remnant
100% damage for 2 seconds is 100% damage for 2 seconds
gaunt fiber
That's true
sly remnant
what other keepsake is gonna give you that output even if it lasts the whole room
mossy zinc
It's not effectively 100% if you overkill.
sly remnant
i mean
even so
there ain't another keepsake that it'll increase your speed
like dad call
purge poison
purge stun
give damage
i assume you run splash dash on speedrun hestia?
true fable
i honestly might start taking earring on test branch
mossy zinc
I don't really care about poison or stun tbh lol.
sly remnant
dealing with them decrease your speed
ripe crane
Do I want splash dash? Idk, do I have to start poseidon for that?
sly remnant
you want your keepsake to increase your speed
ripe crane
I guess I could try that
sly remnant
what dash do you normally take on hestia?
ripe crane
Well normally Athena, but this run I had Artemis. I figured that would be best.
Can't say I really think about it much
sly remnant
do you need more single target damage?
honest kernel
Splash dash sounds great on Hestia for rooms
sly remnant
^
ripe crane
For bosses sure
honest kernel
Or for gun in general
ripe crane
Hmmmm ok yes I'll try it
sly remnant
so thats another argument for splash dash
and dads call
dad call inscreases all of your outgoing damage
dad call is just that insane
i don't think any weapon can passit up
maaaaaaaybe a cast weapon with a perfect well in styx
gaunt fiber
I watched Crepes playing and I don't see splash being much help for rooms
But it was 50+ tho
sly remnant
not even for styx?
gaunt fiber
Not the pro here, let's ask the star
ripe crane
This is so fast lmao
gaunt fiber
Crepes ofc
ripe crane
Hm ok splash dash is very cool and good
Then I guess I take artemis for Asphodel and will try out dad for the next two
honest kernel
Can also take dad in Asphodel if you highroll lmao
sly remnant
^
ripe crane
I actually did naturally find Artemis in Tartarus so I could've, but picked aphro for potential heart rend 😬
gaunt fiber
That's how I do it with GY tbh
sly remnant
is there another keepsake that will increase your damage ast
ripe crane
Distant memory?
sly remnant
with teleporting speeder elites and bosses being bosses
how often is distant memory gonna be online
ripe crane
0
sly remnant
do you take extra dashes on hestia?
ripe crane
Always
sly remnant
well thats maybe an argument for distant
but not a great one
after dad call nerf earring maybe makes more sense
but thats not what you are playing
ripe crane
Meg keepsake will be active almost always
cinder cave
Crepes ofc
Oh noes Nyanya is gonna see this
cinder cave
gulp
ripe crane
So I deal extra damage for two seconds after call?
honest kernel
Yup
honest kernel
Well, pre-nerf, once for sure
ripe crane
I will definitely use Meg after it's fixed
sly remnant
thats fair
sly remnant
does hestia struggle with boss fights?
honest kernel
Inb4 the new speedrunning meta is based around Stubborn Defiance and Skull Earing
No
Or at 'least every non-EM4 fight
sly remnant
then if you are worried living wouldn't something else make more sense
since rooms are the worry
mossy zinc
Hestia is potentially #1 at boss fights lol.
sly remnant
thats what i thought
onyx forge
Hestia is best for boss fights lol
sly remnant
so isn't acorn the worst thing to tkae
onyx forge
You have a lot of downtime to dodge without losing much in terms of damage.
honest kernel
S P I K E D C O L L A R
sly remnant
spiked collar is unironic
honest kernel
With SD it's legit yeah
onyx forge
Acorn is fine. Depending on how much you expect to get hit and your existing HP, bracers can be better too
mossy zinc
Oh noes Nyanya is gonna see this
What m I gonna see?
gaunt fiber
acorn is the worst
Wat
honest kernel
We talkin' Hestia here
mossy zinc
And why did you misspell my name?
sly remnant
Wat
if your aspect is good at dealing with boss fights why are you trying to survive boss fights instead of rooms
if you aren't gonna take the thing that increases your speed
true fable
we're not seriusly talking about distant mem are we
sly remnant
then take the thing that helps your weakness as an aspect
gaunt fiber
Yeah I get that in theory
onyx forge
Acorn gets worse with EM4 as well. If Hades spawns Butterfly boss that will rip through your acorn charges too.
sly remnant
well he isn't taking EM4
but even then
who struggles with normal dad
what is that acorn doing
onyx forge
I used it while I was getting used to FO2, so it's not without value.
true fable
acorn buys you time
honest kernel
If we are doing mega heat stuff (50+), the first thing that can kill use is Nerves
true fable
but agreed dad call is better on live patch
sly remnant
yea but we are not
gaunt fiber
^^^^^^^
sly remnant
we are trying to make 40 heat go fast
honest kernel
Thus it's not as useful, yeah
sly remnant
so acorn is not good on that aspect
onyx forge
Then yeah, acorn is not as good as other options. Which we've all basically agreed upon despite disagreeing on the semantics.
true fable
if we're talking live patch dad call is just better
does way too much for so many weapons
sly remnant
*every weapon
true fable
i could be convinced to take hourglass on some but its a toss up
depends on the well for me
sly remnant
in addition to the fact that don't forget it takes up a core boon slot
so you are increasing your chances of getting a duo/legend/tier 2 boon you want
honest kernel
Also opens up Zeus' Billowing Strength and Athena's Proud Bearing
sly remnant
oh how the heck did i forget the billowing synergy
honest kernel
Both gods being in meta-builds, it's relevant
true fable
speaking proud bearing
anyone find it absurd that a 15 obol well item is only 5 percent gauge less than proud bearing
cinder cave
What m I gonna see?
Whoops
honest kernel
Aether-Net is absurd lol
sly remnant
aether net is actually insane with hestia isn't it
true fable
aether net and braids are so undervalued
true fable
i would not take it on like
beowulf
but i dont think hestia gives a crap as long as you still have boons to sell
honest kernel
CF1 should be the more reasonnable take
sly remnant
yea i agree
gaunt fiber
@cinder cave you're dead buddy
mossy zinc
Oh, I see it.
sly remnant
uh
true fable
same thing for like crush shot hera where full build is like 2 boons
sly remnant
poms buddy
honest kernel
^
gaunt fiber
Online right off the bat buddy
ripe crane
Hmmmm 10:56 with 3 sack. Splash dash is cool
sly remnant
buying poms is pretty great
true fable
i guess, but i think JS would slow it down much more than CF2
you can usually get first pom in tart without having to buy
true fable
i dont think level 5 vs level 3 tidal dash is gonna make more of a difference than JS1 vs JS0
lol
sly remnant
do you not put poms in the attack?
true fable
its not like you only see 4 poms in a run lmao
true fable
idk if i can stay away from JS1 i will for speed
sly remnant
JS1 a lot of times won't even affect rooms until elysium
true fable
I dont think cf2 is a questionable decision is what im tryna say
cinder cave
Elaborate. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
Me english no so good spelling no good
ripe crane
I can't imagine what I would possibly want to buy.n
cinder cave
Astaos was saying Crepes was the star over all the other epic players in this channel
:OOO
true fable
realistically more poms in attack wont matter until elysium either
cinder cave
<@176278923921981440> you're dead buddy
very dead
true fable
for hestia
gaunt fiber
WHAT
ripe crane
I had over 1k at the end of styx. A pom to give me 2% on my Artemis attack doesn't matter
gaunt fiber
this is not true
true fable
lol
sly remnant
i mean you have to take every midshop. why not try to get something out of that midshop even if its just turning on FF faster
honest kernel
I mean, do we have to trade one level of CF for one level of JS
Could be something else
Right ?
true fable
yeah i dont know why you would take JS1 when there are less directly harmful options
sly remnant
what is the better option?
actually
can you actually run RI on hestia
instead of CF at all
true fable
im pretty sure losing dark foresight is even fewer poms/boons
sly remnant
good call
sly remnant
its not
honest kernel
true fable
i think its fine
sly remnant
EM3 is one fight
honest kernel
Something like that could be a generic setup
sly remnant
i heavily disagree with AP
honest kernel
AP1 is the 2 heat you could swap around yeah
true fable
i would take CF2 before AP1
sly remnant
^same
true fable
not sure about the other 1 heat though
hades spear also dont care about boons tbh lol
honest kernel
This isn't for Hades Spear specifically lol