75%
#h1-high-heat-strategies
rain sedge
Ah ok
honest kernel
I can check, lemme get the test branch up
rain sedge
Amir replied to me, it's 60%
honest kernel
Yeah ok
rain sedge
Playable still, but I'd do my 50 before that update
Not that I'm taking tidal dash at 50
cedar thistle
still sounds plenty strong at 60%
rain sedge
Divine dash seems like the only viable one
ripe crane
So what happens to all the speedruns with old Eris?
cedar thistle
isn't it untouch? just tooltip change
honest kernel
2 charges instead of 4
So you a) can't open rooms with it and b) technically takes twice as long for small charges to, well charge
cedar thistle
O. do you know if the effect for small charge doubled
sly remnant
Nope it isnt
honest kernel
Effects stay the same, as far as I know
sly remnant
Hades keepsake is still very good
drowsy berry
We clarified how the Sigil of the Dead works on the test branch.
The tooltip properly shows that the duration of the Invisible effect and damage duration are separate (since they always were but the damage bonus duration was not displayed).
rain sedge
I suppose of you pick up god's bearing you can always use it to clear rooms at the start?
honest kernel
You could
But that means needing Athena in the first place
Not who you usually want for speedruns
rain sedge
But I don't see it as being better than meg keepsake, if it's fixed as we thought with SD
Yeah exactly
honest kernel
Unless ME is involved
sly remnant
I think ME builds still use hades
rain sedge
It's basically like high confidence but consistent
IF it's fixed as we think
Because... Tail said some weird stuff about the actual interaction
Can someone on test branch test that please? SD to asphodel, lava yourself, and see if the meg keepsake got activated consistently?
Because I don't know if the HP is saved as an int, and that 30% is saved as an int too
Or if one of them is saved as a float and even though the game show an int it might not activate in some cases
cedar thistle
should probably hypothesize a hp to test this at.
honest kernel
OH
THAT REMINDS ME
I had a weird bug
where I had 1 hp thanks to chaos
With a SD, I died, got back to life, and died a few seconds later?
Rounded down, my hp would have been 0 lol
rain sedge
Yeah, I'd take 75 hp. Something that's not a whole number at 30%
I THINK it's always rounded down
Did they fix the exposed bug thingy?
drowsy berry
We think we did.
rain sedge
Nice, that makes high heat options more variable. Thanks a lot!
Oh wait you're taking about exposed
Well.... If someone tried the meg thing, please ping me. I don't have access since I'm on switch sadly, otherwise I'd do it myself
honest kernel
brb doing a warmup Eris speedrun
true fable
i would use skull earing instead of dads at SDLC4 speedruns if the float division issue is fixed
loud coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723559673004949564/781022461897867295/WHY.mp4 We love Heightened Security
There goes my Merciful End Arthur run 😔
ripe crane
HS at 40 😬
loud coral
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744993467528249426/781024324806246430/image0.jpg One hit away
Also I thought Arthur was gonna make HS a joke 
Never taking that condition again
ripe crane
As you should be
loud coral
Actually even without HS the urn would’ve stunlocked me into lasers
My bad for activating Athena call too early
honest kernel
Welcome to the "Should have called Athena on her cellphone at the right time" clan
Or club or whatever
twilit orbit
alternatively instead of dashing into the pot you could have just walked towards hades a little bit
and stood inside of him
playing around HS really does suck though
though I actually think that lernie gets a bigger difficulty bump than hades does with HS on, because I personally eat lava damage way more than I probably should
honest kernel
I dunno, for me it's either those purple heads that LOVE to just hide, or the Blue heads that do nothing but ram 24/7
twilit orbit
lernie is scarier than he seems
honest kernel
When you run RI2+, he does
When you don't have that +50 starting health, turns out you can't just blindly rush him when HL is put on
And/Or FO
twilit orbit
i think its just because his hits dont feel very impactful
but all of a sudden you're dead and cant even remember when you took all that damage
whereas when hades hits you its really apparent that he hit you and you messed up
like i vaguely notice taking lava damage or eating a projectile here or there in the lernie fight but my mind doesn't really have the same "you really need to stop getting hit by this because it is very bad and you will die" warnings that it gets when you get hit with something that feels really powerful
honest kernel
Lots of sneaky little hits
Makes you have some sort of awareness of the area
"Oh wait the main head's in the cen-" Gets rammed
Navigating the EM2 arena, especially at high heat, can actually be tricky, especially if you are fragile and want to be fast
tidal flame
Biggest threat for EM2 is headslam
that's it
not even lava
amir please nerf head slam aoe
T.T
hollow lynx
spike support heads give me dracon ptsd and i immediately start playing bad
true fable
the purple heads are super annoying with HL
3 or 4 of them and that level just becomes projectile hell
true fable
what's a popular cast for 40 heat achilles so i dont have to reset for flurry jab
still hunting blades/lightning phalanx?
mossy zinc
I did Crush Shot with Deadly Strike.
Crush Shot scaling is great.
I forgot to switch to Infernal Soul before the run, but I think I like Stygian Soul better, actually.
Your Attack can do a lot of work.
mossy zinc
I like that Stygian lets you not waste your mobility just to get casts back.
true fable
that's fair
mossy zinc
And Heart Rend with Deadly Strike on Achilles is pretty insane with that +150% (or now +200%) damage buff.
true fable
is it cheesy to go back to test branch for achilles 
mossy zinc
I dunno. m always on the best branch to help with feedback and stuff. Do your duty and suffer from the +200% damage buff. 
Hurray. The speedrun site now has three 32 heat mirrorless runs all in last place.
true fable
LOL
mossy zinc
Gonna hopefully submit mirrorless boonless 32 sometime this week.
Would be great if I could beat some of those times with that.
true fable
i imagine the meme runs are a good change of pace for the verifiers
mossy zinc
It's more like a flex than a meme.
Gotta let 'em know how I feel about their challenge categories. 
rain sedge
I see that skull earring isn't actually fixed. Thanks for testing baj
mossy zinc
re SD and Skull Earring, I've been telling people SD always rounds up at .5 and higher, so you end up with more than 30%.
sly remnant
I mean I think most "good" people acknowledge 32 as pretty safe. You'll die more than any heat obviously but it is not a taxing category
The challenge is to do it fast
rain sedge
Survey: would you ever take Erebus gate at 45+ heat? Even in Tartarus?
honest kernel
if I run TD2, yes
If I run TD3, has to be early in Tartarus or Asphodel
Elysium Erebus Gates are absolutely a no-no
mossy zinc
Yes.
ripe crane
Easy to stay damageless with Hestia, I usually take them if it's something I want
honest kernel
With Zeus shield I can usually cheese it without losing too much time
That is, until an exploding mini-chariot spawns right in front of me lol
rain sedge
Hmm ok, thanks a lot
mossy zinc
High heat is all the more reason to take them because you want any advantage you can get.
honest kernel
^
rain sedge
Ok I'm at a really good 50 run, do I take rare high footing or epic divine dash?
ripe crane
Double hearts are especially tempting imo
mossy zinc
Yeah. Centaur Hearts, a Lady Athena boon if she's not in your pool yet, etc.
rain sedge
Ok I'll take sure footing, can't risk getting lavaed at lernie
mossy zinc
I'd take Divine Dash for sure.
honest kernel
Divine dash if you don't have an Athena core boon yet is huge for high heat
Death Defies are always nice
And it's a good dash soo
mossy zinc
Only an Epic Sure Footing would potentially tempt me depending on my aspect.
rain sedge
Got divine dash the next room lmfao
honest kernel
wow ok
mossy zinc
Now just don't die, and don't time out. Easy.
rain sedge
This is the run btw. I can feel it
I have 4 min time left at chamber 22
The delta chamber hard carries this run
honest kernel
Not everyday you see Delta Chamber actually doing something relevant lol
mossy zinc
I think Delta Chamber is pretty nice.
If only it gave me infinite Empowered Shots on Hestia without reloading, though.
rain sedge
Nevermind, I got great shielded to death
honest kernel
Speedy shields ?
honest kernel
That's about as rough as it gets lmao
rain sedge
I skipped the Athena god trial room because I've ran out of time that way before
honest kernel
They are jerks with speed
rain sedge
Instant punishment
does companion stuff like meg and antos go through their shield?
maybe I should've burned my antos there
mossy zinc
Finally something that can match ME
Divine Strike, Hunter Dash, Support Fire, Deadly Reversal etc. used to do that.
honest kernel
What happened then lol
mossy zinc
But they nerfed my build while ME got a slap on the wrist. 
honest kernel
Yet they tried to nerf splash dash
Played with it, it's a slap on the wrist as well lol
rain sedge
it's the sea storm nerf
honest kernel
Ain't just Sea Storm
Tidal Dash got nerfed a bit as well
Still super powerful lol
mossy zinc
Hunter Dash rarity and pom scaling nerfed hard, Support Fire the same, Deflect damage to bosses nerfed, and Deadly Reversal doesn't unlock from Hunter Dash anymore.
honest kernel
Wait Hunter Dash used to actiave the duo LOL
honest kernel
It's happened here, but possibly earlier too as well
mossy zinc
Yeah they nerfed it earlier and now nerfed it again lol.
Meanwhile ME requirements are tighter and damage bonus was nerfed from 50 to 40 like that matters lol.
honest kernel
It could literally do no extra bonus damage and still be busted
Instantly applying doom is what's up
ripe crane
An actual ME nerf would be give it an internal cooldown like Zeus special
honest kernel
Or make it trigger the doom when you deflect an attack ?
Altho that might be too harsh
ripe crane
Ya that would make it kinda useless
honest kernel
Such a concept is hard to balance, ain't it
ripe crane
No, my idea is perfect 😏
honest kernel
It'd need to be a big cooldown
Otherwise you could just time your attacks to maximise DPS like it's done now
ripe crane
Ya, I have no idea what that cooldown would be
I wonder if Divine dash just shouldn't trigger it
mossy zinc
I think they're looking at ME as the kind of OP build they're okay with if everything falls into place.
ripe crane
It's basically a trio boon
honest kernel
Which is crazy, considering stuff like Hunting Blades sort of demands a bit more work to do less than ME lmao
rain sedge
there's stuff like quick reload + greater recall that make cast builds super busted
mossy zinc
I just never liked it tbh. It makes every melee aspect play the same, and it's always optimal.
rain sedge
like once you get that at say, poseidon, even 50 will feel like a breeze
honest kernel
You can say that about ME for melee weapons lol
mossy zinc
50 will not feel like a breeze either way lol.
honest kernel
Hell, it's even better since you likely have Athena appear early for death defies
mossy zinc
But yeah.
honest kernel
50+ heat is no joke, but if I were to shoot for a build, ME would be one of them for sure
rain sedge
but that requires you to melee
quick reload + greater recall would literally mean you afk at a corner and hold cast buttons
honest kernel
If you can get 2 specific Hermes boon, I'll take Extra Dashes all the time as melee please
Or Hyper Sprint -> Rush Delivery
ripe crane
I care about nothing at hermes except extra dashes
honest kernel
Me, as a Shield RI3 player "What are dashes ? All I know is BULL RUSH"
rugged acorn
attack/special speed?
honest kernel
That's why I said usually lol
Not all the time
For shield Attack Speed is cool
Special Speed is whatever
ripe crane
If I don't have extra dashes, I will reroll for them regardless of what is being offered basically every time
mossy zinc
Second Wind is amazing.
ripe crane
Tru, and it feels pretty uncommon that it even shows up
rain sedge
which one is that again?
ripe crane
So I guess I would take it if he ever offered it 😡
honest kernel
On call, gain movement speed and dodge chance
for like 10-15 seconds, don't remember which one
rain sedge
oh yea, that one felt good
hmm, keep dying somewhere around lernie/elysium
I feel like I lack a lot of damage these runs
my damage source is basically only a common/rare zeus attack on eris
ripe crane
What is usually the goal for an eris build?
rain sedge
hmm, in a 50 run, I'm not picky. Something like lv3 zeus attack and lv2 jolted would probably give me enough damage, I think
if I get one of the 2 good special hammers, any special boon would do. can't be picky
of course if somehow I get splitting bolt with RI1 and P1 that's probably my run finished, but the likelihood is so small
mossy zinc
If you get a common, put poms on it, yeah.
rain sedge
and I'm not taking poseidon keep sake at ashpodel, because I'm taking athena. It's very risky to play with tidal dash on 50 for me
because offensive dashing might land me in lava, which is just so much damage with HS. all the more reason to take athena instead of poseidon
mossy zinc
Sounds like you can do 40 with it very smoothly, though.
What's your highest Eris clear?
mossy zinc
I see.
rain sedge
I'm generally much worse than most people here though. I got 4x32, chiron 40, eris 45, and that's it
mossy zinc
Eh.
rain sedge
so I'm not so good at dodging attacks/not getting lava-ed/etc
lernie continue to be much harder than it should be
mossy zinc
45 is higher than most people here tbh.
I think I only did 2 at 45+.
Talos at 45 and Beowulf at 52.
rain sedge
eris though
mossy zinc
Those were in Early Access.
rain sedge
the clout gets halfed if you do it on eris I think
mossy zinc
I died at 40 with Eris the one time I tried it the other day.
You're not giving yourself enough credit.
Taking what you think is the most busted into high heat is the way to go.
Or what you think you're best with.
rain sedge
thanks nya, that's very kind of you
mossy zinc
There are only two players that have a higher Eris clear than 45.
That's bablo and haelian.
rain sedge
isn't the spreadsheet dead though?
mossy zinc
Wobbles did 45 all aspects.
It's not like I need a spreadsheet to count to 3.
Or 4.
Krashercorr said he appreciates all the pings still. He does update sometimes. I dunno.
rain sedge
45 all aspects are crazy though. Some of them feels so unplayable
mossy zinc
Yeah it is.
rain sedge
Hmm, feels like there should be more admins to the spreadsheet
I guess retrash kinda proven that any aspect can work, he did some zag sword 51? and another really bad aspect?
mossy zinc
Maybe add your runs here, and then whenever Krashercorr gets back to it, he can use the list to verify runs. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit?usp=sharing
rain sedge
all I have is a picture of my run lol, I have no video or nothing because I'm on switch
rain sedge
does playing on switch automatically prove it's unseeded lol
mossy zinc
Tbh I think adding a run with a link to your victory screen instead of a video is still kinda worth it for people to learn from.
Maybe I'll make a separate tab for that.
Honorable Mentions
Something like that.
rain sedge
but that would open the floodgate to all kinds of abuse though
like someone can have an infinite health mod or something and do 50 heat and post it there
or even, god mode
honest kernel
If it's a separate tab, I don't see the harm
mossy zinc
No because it would just be honorable mentions and separate from the leaderboard.
rain sedge
hmmm true
mossy zinc
Would maybe motivate people more to record their runs after submitting some without a recording.
rain sedge
I mean once cross save is a thing Id's start recording my run yeah
rain sedge
pepelaugh
honestly though, someone showed you can take the save file already from a modded switch
just need access to the file system
which is only for old switchs
gaunt fiber
I'd pay to see a switch run recorded with a phone. Dying in Lernie's lava too
mossy zinc
I'd pay to see a switch run recorded with a phone. Dying in Lernie's lava too
@rain sedge take his money.
rugged acorn
if you have an HDMI splitter and a capture card you should be able to record
rain sedge
Have neither sadly
tidal flame
Capture card nowadays is hard to come by, and oh so expensive
cedar thistle
Use the "save last 30 seconds feature" 2 time a minute and stitch it all tgt
true fable
just gonna say, hoping for quick reload --> greater recall is a pipe dream for most cast builds even with god's legacy
that's staking your build on an 11% chance before AP
rugged acorn
https://oneguyoneblog.com/2020/07/30/budget-hdmi-video-capture-card-for-obs-studio/ isn't that expensive
tidal flame
I actually own one of those.
They get really hot, like burning hot if touched after prolonged used.
They get the image quality kinda as advertised, but I wouldn't want a fire hazard near my tech.
rugged acorn
hmm fair
tidal flame
And this isn't a one man issue. You can Google overheating issues with those cards.
rugged acorn
I have one too but I've never used it
tidal flame
Better option is NDI, but PC only :D
waxen relic
I hate revenge Boons now. They prevent me from using SD properly 
mossy zinc
I had a 40 Heat Excalibur run end badly because the rat died to a trap instead of killing me at 7 HP.
loud coral
Why are 40 heat Arthur runs so cursed
Just something about them makes you die in the absolute worst ways possible
Like dying to an urn at Dad while he's at 1% health or slowing Asterius down and somehow still getting hit by the charge
true fable
still scarred i see
loud coral
mossy zinc
Both of those have happened to me.
true fable
yall have convinced me im doing poseidon instead of arthur for me 40 heat sword lol
mossy zinc
Yeah, definitely do Poseidon lol.
loud coral
I thought 70% DR with the aura and Aphro was gonna make HL free but I still end up dying to the easiest things
Can beat Meg on TD3 with 1 minute on the clock but can't beat a Satyr at 2 health
mossy zinc
After trying out all of the swords at 40 (no, Zag sword does not exist), I've found I like the sword the most that lets me not play sword.
rain sedge
Hit me with your Poseidon build when you succeed pls
rain sedge
I tried it for a bit yesterday and it's quite hard
true fable
just have sword and spear left
rain sedge
Damn you're already ahead of me
true fable
didnt post the rama because it was just standard rama stuff
rain sedge
I only have bow and rail
true fable
im also several hundred hours ahead of you probably lol
honest kernel
How many we talking ? 👀
true fable
500 hours 500 clears
tons more resets
i hit a solid 200-300 before i even found this discord lol
honest kernel
600+ here, with probably less clears because of my high heat practise and hell mode shenanigans lol
true fable
i came here to figure out how to get the bad call steam achievement
honest kernel
That one's annoying to get yeah lol
cedar thistle
Wonder why it's so high up on the % of ppl who got it. I got it last too.
Maybe they just get hit to much
ripe crane
I'm getting close to 400 hours. 140 clears.
mossy zinc
Hit me with your Poseidon build when you succeed pls
What builds did you try.
Electric Shot is what I used.
rain sedge
I went with phalanx shot aiming for lightning phalanx, and the standard artemis build aiming for mirage shot
mossy zinc
I think both of those are pretty weak tbh compared to other options.
Also try to get a good Attack because especially early on, relying only on Cast can be slow if you don't get e.g. early poms.
unreal pasture
sword, good attack 😂
mossy zinc
Well, especially in Asphodel because sometimes you have absolutely no idea where your bloodstones are lol.
rain sedge
zeus casts dont lodge, no? I always try to get exit wounds with poseidon
honest kernel
Hey, Dash attack counts, right ?
unreal pasture
They can lodge, yes
mossy zinc
They lodge.
hollow lynx
zeus lodges, it just doesn't want to most of the time
honest kernel
They lodge on their last target
unreal pasture
They just bounce around... so they may not lodge in what you want it to
honest kernel
If that darn off-screen pillar is the last target of the Zeus cast you best bet it won't lodge
rain sedge
the way I understand it is that theres some invisible enemies that the game recognises as valid bounce targets for many things
i.e. on EM1, the other sisters are invisible
btw is there a way to know if a wave is the last wave of enemies?
hollow lynx
zagreus will comment on it
rain sedge
not always, in my experience
ripe crane
Play enough and you'll eventually just know
rain sedge
just skilled on an erebus gate for zeus because I'm scared lol
I had storm lightning set up, was a very tempting roll for splitting bolt
loud coral
Yeah turns out HS isn't even needed on 40 heat
Urns only doing 30 damage feels so much better
rain sedge
I just got lava-ed at lernie at 50 lol
mossy zinc
Did you record it to get your money from @gaunt fiber?
rain sedge
no lol
mossy zinc
Missed opportunity.
gaunt fiber
Up to you boyo
honest kernel
BRB getting Hades on my switch
loud coral
BRB figuring out OBS
honest kernel
Yes, but was also memeing
Still gonna get rekt by Lernie on high heat stuff, or get timed out in Styx because you get 4+ sacked
mossy zinc
Hades on Switch might be the true high heat strat.
loud coral
I'd record a run on my Switch if the run to finally complete 6x40 wasn't also gonna be my 100th clear
mossy zinc
You'll get access to a very broken Chiron.
ripe crane
Use Streamlabs OBS, not regular OBS btw
honest kernel
That moment when I use regular OBS
loud coral
What do you mean my android tablet isn't good for running God of War?
honest kernel
Hades for the 3ds when
true fable
when i played EM4 dad on switch it was like a slideshow
loud coral
My capture card doesn't even work with OBS studio so I can't really use it
gaunt fiber
Getting bullied in general indifference.
rain sedge
I swear, when I get 50 eris it'll be on delta chamber
and I'll dance on the delta chamber haters
gaunt fiber
Be the meta you want to see in the world, my child
rain sedge
ok charged skewer AP2 guan yu grinder
gaunt fiber
Oof
When I'll get a drunken flourish clear
I'll dance on your soul, unfaithful one
honest kernel
I swear some of my best runs/attempts have jank setups
rain sedge
yea even retrash, master of "builds that shouldn't work but somehow he cleared it at 50" wouldn't be able to do it
honest kernel
The best one being Meme beam of all things
mossy zinc
Retrash is showing off potential of very underexplored builds. I like it.
true fable
turns out if you're good at the game you're good at the game
true fable
thereve been some 50 heat builds that i could not in good faith recommend to anyone
but hey they cleared it
honest kernel
Hestia feels like one of the best for boonless like what
Hammer multipliers for the gun are crazy
honest kernel
45
ripe crane
50 boonless would've happened many times by now if I could stop choking. You get through early levels so fast that it doesn't matter if your later ones are slower
mossy zinc
BP2 enemies generally die just as fast as regular elites, too.
And since you just snipe them anyway.
honest kernel
Unless they are Beefy archers like WHY ARE YOU RUNNING
mossy zinc
Piercing Fire is also OD.
mossy zinc
Greatshields are just free with Piercing Fire.
rain sedge
I too, am a professional choker
honest kernel
For Shield Savior is literally whatever
mossy zinc
And so is Theseus.
gaunt fiber
I too, am a professional choker
I share this trait
mossy zinc
lmao
honest kernel
"Today, Schadenfreudic learned he was not lava-proof"
mossy zinc
Have you tried not stepping on magma?
mossy zinc
You don't need to dodge it.
rain sedge
thanks hypnos
gaunt fiber
Take the time to think about your movement
rain sedge
already took 20 HP damage from lava on first ashpodel room btw
gaunt fiber
Lava deaths are double dash bs
honest kernel
Can't have double dash deaths when you run RI3
honest kernel
Legit I've been getting better at movement with 1 dash instead of 2
gaunt fiber
Same
rain sedge
almost dead again btw
mossy zinc
RI3 and RI4 are amazing for practice.
gaunt fiber
I always get it
rain sedge
"schad is getting nervous... the lava-stepping prince is prepared to die again at lernie"
gaunt fiber
And die from other things
gaunt fiber
true fable
im really liking poseidon cast for poseidon sword
rain sedge
bright weirdchamp
mossy zinc
Fish will help your run.
true fable
weirdchamp? why
rain sedge
I really hate that cast for cast builds
it gets knocked back, sometimes o ut of hit of your subsequent casts
mossy zinc
I don't think Gootecks plays this game.
rain sedge
I mean why not arty or athena?
true fable
aoe
mossy zinc
Because they don't have AOE.
rain sedge
until I get the same speedy + attack greatshield
mossy zinc
We don't know that.
honest kernel
Nah you are getting speedy, teleporting miniwheels
rain sedge
PLS
mossy zinc
There are still poison puddles waiting.
rain sedge
wait that one gets HS bonus damage?
gaunt fiber
Flamewheels, love em
rain sedge
that might be why I died at styx last time
honest kernel
I swear I try to block them and they do a loop-de-loop around me
mossy zinc
No.
mossy zinc
They're better than Speeder Slugger Chariots.
rain sedge
I always feel like rocket bomb baits me into getting closer
delta chamber, eris, zeus attack
richocet fire is crossed out btw, just in case you wanna know
honest kernel
R O C K E T
mossy zinc
Take the one you're most comfortable with.
rain sedge
I swear SGG have a machine learning module inside their game that determines which are the best boons/hammers and cross them out
hmm ok brainless mode then, explosive fire I guess
honest kernel
Considering AP2 forces me into Charged Shot a lot for hammer, I'd say yes
mossy zinc
Sounds good.
rain sedge
I already opted for delta chamber vs cluster bomb
honest kernel
uhm
mossy zinc
I don't think you should care for the meta when you're at Elysium at 50 Heat. You probably know better what you're good with.
honest kernel
LMAO
mossy zinc
Except when in doubt, go for meta picks.
rain sedge
I wanna post it on victory boasting but I feel like that's abuse
mossy zinc
Honestly, that might work out fine.
mossy zinc
It's not Chariots or Speeder Greatshields.
honest kernel
Hey don't diss on it
mossy zinc
Yeah. You dodged the worst ones so far.
rain sedge
yea this is the best casts I think
mossy zinc
Lightning Phalanx is one of those cases where I don't care at all for the meta.
honest kernel
I think it's underrated
mossy zinc
m happy when I can sell it and get my normal Phalanx Shot back.
I think it's overrated lol.
rain sedge
I mean, it's very good for so many cast builds
true fable
i believe you
lusty mirage
Where can I find a writeup of the elite abilities being referenced like speedy
mossy zinc
I think the acceleration in combination with the Deflect is the best thing about Phalanx Shot. I don't want it to be slow and bounce.
honest kernel
Well you want Zeus special anyways
lusty mirage
thats where i was looking, don't see an enemies section
rain sedge
oh there's a wiki for it
true fable
Well you want Zeus special anyways
my point was more that you wouldnt get mauled alive before you get LP
mossy zinc
Where can I find a writeup of the elite abilities being referenced like speedy
Check pins in #h1-builds-and-combat.
true fable
like you would on like poseidon sword for example
honest kernel
LP isn't "make or break"
rain sedge
@lusty mirage
honest kernel
But it's pretty solid utility
true fable
yeah i mean
my 32 poseidon got carried by an early LP
but i think mirage shot flood shot will make tartarus less miserable
mossy zinc
Adding to that: Cloner only in Tartarus, Burner only in Asphodel, Popper only for Exalted, Seeker only for ranged enemies.
rain sedge
I lost SD trying to deflect the witches attack at elysium, but somehow I got it at the end of my dodge, and took 20 damage + all the 10 damage from the spreaders
then got one of those speedy big chariots
I can't lol, it was chamber 33 or something
rain sedge
stop jinxing me all
mossy zinc
Do I get cookie?
honest kernel
I called the miniwheels, you called the big ones
rain sedge
I mean technically it's the witches and the void stones that made it really hard
honest kernel
Hmmm
rain sedge
I mean lernie lava is a good shout usually
honest kernel
Cloner Seeker witches ?
rain sedge
but I might just wipe at furies again
honest kernel
hmm hmm
mossy zinc
Homing Slugger Superelite Witch would be gold.
honest kernel
Without PL, and early, it's not actually that bad
For Slugger that is
Homing's annoying tho
ripe crane
Just give the guy savior cloner skulls so he dies early
mossy zinc
That's not a problem for Eris. Numbskulls are free.
honest kernel
Just speeders should be enough
mossy zinc
Shifter Savior Witches are mad underrated.
ripe crane
How about cloner popper skulls
rain sedge
imagine losing a run with lightning phalanx arghhhh
honest kernel
If tiny rats could still be elite, and if they could have popper, OH BOI
rain sedge
I still am not over it
mossy zinc
This is a no-joke zone. 
rain sedge
yeah the skulls are free with eris
mossy zinc
@rain sedge well, you don't need to imagine it.
ripe crane
Normally they can't. This setup is just for Schadenfreudic though 😈
honest kernel
Not even shield could stop all that damage
rain sedge
errrrr ok y'all got it wrong
honest kernel
Spike trap
rain sedge
wow
mossy zinc
I wanna see some of the newbies run into Bruiser Snakestones from Nighty Night.
rain sedge
that's a bit too quick I think
mossy zinc
That would make my day.
honest kernel
So lava then
rain sedge
yeah, I greeded for god trial zeus + and poseidon
didn't realise 1 zeus circle is 20 hit
that took my SD... and immediately after I got spike trapped
congrats
honest kernel
Welcome to the "Trials are bait at high heat" clan
mossy zinc
@honest kernel I think the best combo for @rain sedge is just every Elite in Asphodel has Burner.
lusty mirage
is there a good guide to stubborn defiance?
misty hamlet
Tartarus Trials are my way of saying “i don’t care if this run lives or dies”
mossy zinc
Guide is take every Lady Athena boon you see and revive before you pick up her boon, roll for Deathless Stand or Last Stand.
You need a core boon from her first.
honest kernel
Me, in my shackles runs "Wait, y'all care about boons ?"
tidal flame
If you suicide for heal, make sure you have SD available first
rain sedge
You need a core boon from her first.
do you? wiki doesnt say so
mossy zinc
Check Wells for Touch of Styx.
true fable
for SD:
-restores you to 30%. Die in room via lava, egg, etc. if you're below 30 and have your SD
-take athena and roll for extra DDs
-look for touch of styx and pray for patty to get touch of styx dark
mossy zinc
Yes, they're t2.
rain sedge
aite queen
honest kernel
Anything in the boon hotbar is core except for the Call
rain sedge
call isn't core? dude
honest kernel
Yeah
rain sedge
.....
mossy zinc
Call is core. But not priority.
true fable
i had this same realization too
honest kernel
Some of the first few runs of a savefile don't have it unlocked
Oh that's fair enough
true fable
so do you have to have call filled to influence duo chance? i'm confused now
it hasn't mattered for me since dad keepsake but new patch may change things
honest kernel
I don't think the call does anything for duo/legendary chances unless it's the first boon pre-requisite or something
mossy zinc
Priority means you will always be offered at least 1 priority boon from any god until those slots are filled.
Core means it's one of those 5 boons that you can activate with a button press.
gaunt fiber
Lightning strike on GY is a better Zeus aspect build, change my mind
true fable
ok so shouldnt affect duo chance
mossy zinc
I don't think the call does anything for duo/legendary chances unless it's the f...
That's correct, yeah.
true fable
any more than a T2
honest kernel
I can do double lightning at the same time with Zeus aspect
mossy zinc
But call usually works as a requirement for t2 or Duo Boons.
mossy zinc
I thought it did lol.
rain sedge
alright I have made so many mistakes
mossy zinc
More reason for it to be low in my tier list.
rain sedge
thanks for telling me lol
rain sedge
imagine getting lightning strike and jolted at meg already
that's all the boons I need for my run tbh
rain sedge
share some of your luck pls
rain sedge
em4?
gaunt fiber
yeah
rain sedge
yea gl
gaunt fiber
yeah that would be hard
rain sedge
also why EM4 at 40? just take CP2 and DC1
gaunt fiber
I don't want to clear 40
rain sedge
I mean 43
rain sedge
this is some anime training weight stuff
gaunt fiber
nah quite the opposite
since I don't add RI/AP yet
lmao I died
I don't even deserve the god of trash title
that's it for today
gaunt fiber
same here
dire steppe
god trials are so hard in tartarus on like 40 heat i feel
i can deal with asphodel or elysium ones depending on build
honest kernel
I did start Shackles too LOL
But then Poseidon and Zeus gave me the boons
SO I figured might as well try and see what I can do with them
Dio attack was like the Elysium mini-boss reward
Hydra fight was scary too
First time fighting non-EM4 dad with the setup and it's SO much easier lmao
honest kernel
So uhm
I'm afraid the video might not have audio
FRICK
OBS didn't pick up anything, dammit
north dove
55 heat congrats
honest kernel
At 'least the video's in one piece
Also includes my starter Guan-Yu run that I do for the heck of it with the same setup, only to die to Speedy Savior Numbskulls in like the last chamber of Tartarus
Ok, after restarting OBS, NOW it picks up the game audio
Jeez, should have checked sooner
mossy zinc
@honest kernel congratulations!
Audio is overrated. Just be like "I didn't even need audio cues."
honest kernel
Oh snap I didn't think it was this run, but it's a TEMPEST STRIKE START. Promptly sold it after Tartarus lol
true fable
quite a large amount of heat you got there boyo
mossy zinc
Tempest Strike top tier confirmed.
mossy zinc
You should do some RI4 runs for fun, though.
honest kernel
I've tried
Managed to get to Elysium
With a 55 heat setup
Didn't go too far after that LOL
mossy zinc
Just do it at lower heat than that lol.
honest kernel
Yeah, will probably start at 32 and climb from there lmao
Oh yeah, I just realized, this is an Athena-less high heat clear lmao
ripe crane
I hate that I have to substitute CP for DC on your setup 😦
honest kernel
Yeah
Only really took JS because I knew shackles could carry me in Tartarus and maybe Asphodel
mossy zinc
Tempest Strike carried you, I thought.
honest kernel
Only through Tartarus
Purged it once the furies were gone lol
For Tartarus, it's fine
rain sedge
Baj pogU
congrats!!
EM3 and CP0, that's a setup I don't think I would imagined for 55
honest kernel
For Asphodel ? unless you have Stygian Shards for that trap damage, you are going to be stuck for a while there lol
rain sedge
super cool though, can't wait for videos
honest kernel
No audio tho
rain sedge
who cares
honest kernel
I goofed up on OBS and no audio got picked up
honest kernel
With this setup ?
rain sedge
add CP2?
honest kernel
Thunder Flourish, even at lvl 1 common, matches the new Shackles
And Dio attack is sweet for hit and runs
Splash Dash is actually kinda dope if you Bullrush a bunch
Zeus Aid was the carry here
rain sedge
I mean
honest kernel
With Sudden Rush and Explosive Return, I could do that all day
Otherwise, alternative is RI4 LOL
Or re-arrange for EM4 which is uh not happening
Failed too many times in that fight due to nerves, or time
5 minutes minimum is a lot, turns out
rain sedge
Yeah, I found that out during my 50 runs
I started taking free rooms instead of boons for time save
ripe crane
How is it possible to play this game with one dash
true fable
you cry
ripe crane
Bulll rush prob helps with that at least a little
honest kernel
Greater Evasion was the hermes boon
And Yeah with Bull Rush and actually a new tech I found with Shield, 1 dash isn't that big a deal
true fable
new tech? please share
honest kernel
One dash -> Late dash attack actually nets you some more distance than simply spamming the dash
true fable
yeet okay
honest kernel
You keep the momemtum
If done right
Also Hyper Sprint makes it a thousand times harder lmao
true fable
i noticed that occasionally on beo but wasnt sure
honest kernel
It's the same thing as if you would BullRush -> Dash Attack
It's that same momemtum
But instead of waiting for the BullRush, you simply dash and time the Dash Attack
rain sedge
That 10% dodge is the worst Hermes boon I think
honest kernel
I think it's fine
Especially if you plan on doing Shackles stuff
Not AMAZING, but yeah
rain sedge
I mean it's basically a prayer every time you get hit by a boss
You dodge the 150 damage urn? Sure, best boon ever
But at 10% chance it's just exhausting
honest kernel
Funny enough, I took a big hit instead of a urn that would have taken the death defy lol
proud jay
@honest kernel what's your honest opinion on AP2?
honest kernel
HELL
Even for Shackles strats
Only took it because I knew that EM4 was my only obstacle
proud jay
AP2 is pretty much the only thing that keeps me away from high heat
honest kernel
Yeah I could understand that
With the Shackles buffs, however, there might be some hope for tolerable AP2 setups
proud jay
when was shackle buffed?
true fable
test branch
honest kernel
^
true fable
+100%
proud jay
huh didn't realise
honest kernel
80->100%
proud jay
sounds good
honest kernel
It's enough to make you go through Elysium
proud jay
helps with TD3 for sure
honest kernel
Hmm Hmm
had a run with the new shackles that only died because of 4 sack
Could have been more, but I died trying to go fast in the rooms lol
It was ONLY Shackles and like a meme beam
ripe crane
Just gimped myself vs Theseus & Bull because I picked up an Athena attack before their fight lol
ripe crane
Yeah. Have died at phase 3 dad too many times. Just barely ran out of time. Had 2 extra dashes even 😢
Seems doable though
honest kernel
I totally understand your pain
ripe crane
I mean this is barely different than boonless
honest kernel
That moment when the meme boonless runs paid off for high heat
rain sedge
The EM4 kinda demands 2 sac for the patty and the td3
honest kernel
Should have done Zag Shield lmao
rain sedge
Again I'm evangelising sac mechanic to get reworked
honest kernel
Aren't we all
rain sedge
It's not about being a god, it's about TD3
proud jay
which makes AP2 even more sad
rain sedge
Unless you get very lucky with free rooms I'm pretty sure it's just impossible without 2 sac
honest kernel
Hmm Hmm
For me, it was a combination of EM4, TD3 or AP2 that I had to take
For this level
rain sedge
RI too
honest kernel
At that point I'd take RI3 all day everyday with shield
The extra dash is legit not required for Shield gameplay
RI4 is just asking to die to traps or whatever
rain sedge
I mean I'm just playing at 50 heat, but I feel that most of the time I run out of time is because I simply don't have enough dps
And I'm playing eris
honest kernel
turns out when you can't do the speedrun builds, DPS is actually hard to get
true fable
i see greater recall for the first time in like 200 runs and it gets APed
is it still random?
honest kernel
Supposedly
rain sedge
It has requirements that's kinda hard to fulfill
proud jay
is it still random?
im sure there's a relevant xkcd to answer that
rain sedge
But no. Amir put a machine learning module to determine the best boon for your run, and APs it, as I said
Today has been a nightmare for ap honestly
It's the reason I no longer take chaos gate at 50
cinder cave
EM4 vs TD3 choice is kinda like HS
1 heat difference hmmmmm
if someone does manage it on 50+ though they'll have all the bragging rights
honest kernel
Well my 50 heat clear was with EM4 and TD3 lol
rain sedge
Didn't tail do it for his 55
rain sedge
Yea those runs hurt the most
true fable
literally quick reload is useless on poseidon sword aside from greater recall
and i got cucked outta greater recall
rain sedge
I can laugh at the ones where I die to meg or lava... But today? Where I die randomly after getting lightning phalanx on Elysium?
Or when I got the perfect run and died to speedy attack great shields
Those runs made me wanna quit honestly
rain sedge
I mean chamber 33 it was it think
I doubt id die in heroes, so it was one of the last hurdle
That being said I have died to poison at Styx before
I think someone said the poison for the HS bonus?
honest kernel
I die to poison intentionnaly in Styx so that I get my call faster lol
It might also make it more deadly
Not sure
That might just be the Satyr Miniboss poison vs the floor poison
Where the former is MUCH deadlier than the latter
rain sedge
Yeah it might be that too
honest kernel
So, back on my video
Maybe it was a blessing that the audio was off
I had a chaos attack boon penalty
On Shield
rain sedge
Yikes
bright crescent
yeah
honest kernel
It just means it's not totally useless if you do LC4 setups
Kinda like Cursed Slash lol
ripe crane
But you kill so many things with Dem special
honest kernel
But it also means no Explosive Upper, Breaching Cross, etc.
bright crescent
id still rather take the attack boons but it does move it up the hammer tier list a bit
ripe crane
You can still get those
bright crescent
well it depends on what the hammer gives you doesnt it
honest kernel
^
bright crescent
although i would still take it over kinetic launcher even without the change
lul
ripe crane
Kinetic launcher is literally the best hammer for dem fists
bright crescent
i can see it working with dem fists well but im a fan of the upper's hitbox
ripe crane
Launcher hitbox is huge
ripe crane
O
bright crescent
i play hades very instinctually
its not great for my runs but
well it depends on what build im trying to go for to
o
ripe crane
I use it like melee upper most of the time, except now it's stronger and has bigger aoe
mossy zinc
Flying Cutter and Explosive Upper are way better than Kinetic Launcher.
ripe crane
Launcher is also base damage and it's higher than flying cutter and doesn't put you in weird positions. Explosive is better tho. They have similar functions
ripe crane
This is gonna sound crazy but
I would take kinetic launcher or explosive upper over breaching cross on dem
mossy zinc
It's not higher. Fully charged Flying Cutter is 60 base damage. Kinetic Launcher is 50 base damage.
loud coral
I mean BC is nice but a double damage AoE dem special is probably better
mossy zinc
Not all that crazy. A lot of people have valued Explosive Launcher over Breaching Cross.
true fable
sorry explosive upper i meant
i would not take either of those over breaching
at least for higher heat
i value being able to delete elysium mobs
ripe crane
Wait I was thinking of the double kick one, not flying cutter
honest kernel
lol