h1-high-heat-strategies

[mild swallow]

i tried EM4 and beat him, but that's with chaos shield and that feels like cheating

no chance i could clear EM4 with anything else right now lol

[mossy zinc]

I'm guessing you're still going through bounty heats? I guess don't pick EM4 RI or AP.

Can also just avoid FO altogether to make life easier.

[mild swallow]

yeah I'm only at like . . .heat 15 at the moment. Just looking for some of the low hanging fruit so to speak to ease into the higher levels

[mossy zinc]

And I guess don't take LC4 lol.

[mild swallow]

so LC4 just means you cant heal at all? oof

[mossy zinc]

Yup.

It's meta for 40+.

Stubborn Defiance circumvents that to a large extent.

[sly remnant]

yo

i just got invisible dad pot at 45 heat

[mossy zinc]

Also, JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 is kind of a bad combo lol. Any points in JS CP DC will make TD harder.

[mossy zinc]

I actually took an Epic Sure Footing over Divine Dash on my first Lady Athena boon in a run today.

[sly remnant]

is it a known issue? i've gotten pretty good at avoiding them but i literally was standing on snow and got dealt full damage

[mossy zinc]

Some people have mentioned similar experiences in EM4, yeah.

F10 if anything like that happens for sure.

I didn't do EM4. I just figured 150-damage urns are pretty nasty, so Epic Sure Footing is kinda nice.

15 damage sounds much more reasonable.

[sly remnant]

yea urns hurt

[daring hedge]

I have a sub 10 already ready to go for 40 lol

[tidal flame]

inb4 Tail makes a sub 10 yesterday

[daring hedge]

it was 2 seconds away from being sub 9 but oh well

[true fable]

gdi i didnt even get off work yet lol

[mossy zinc]

lol

[true fable]

at least the high heat records seem to be safe from bablo

[ripe crane]

More like badlo

dab

[gaunt fiber]

Lernie's conqueror has arrived

[mossy zinc]

lol he had the high heat WRs with like 80% of the aspects before 1.0 and the overall high heat WR.

[true fable]

tailesques 9 minute would be faster than the one bablo posted but who knows he might grind the category

[ripe crane]

Was anyone else even trying before 1.0

[tidal flame]

does anyone have experience with EM3 and Hades keepsake?

I feel like the stealth somehow throw asterius into a loop and he only does spin attack

I tested 4 runs and he uses the spin like a lot, especially right after you stealth

[daring hedge]

i don't have much experience with that specific boss and keepsake interaction but that doesn't surprise me really

hades keepsake likes to "reset" enemy behavior for some foes, pretty much putting them immediately into a new attack upon invis

or repeated/restarted attack

the most infamous example being mega skullcrusher

[unreal pasture]

A lot of bosses, when you go invis, default into certain movesets, yea

It seemed like Hades almost always tried to repeatedly spin if you go invis on him

[true fable]

ok so weve scienced hades keepsake

basically what happens is each enemy's moveset is coded as a number of "weapons"

from what i understand each enemy has a queue of those "weapons" to call on

and using hades call or charm resets that

ello did the sciencing so he probably knows more

[dire steppe]

i have no idea how people do td3, i’ve never cleared under 20 minutes

my fastest is 21

[true fable]

for example non EM4 hades' "weapons" are his skull, darkness, spin and stab

if you stealth in the middle of a boss (or any enemy's) animation you can force them to repeat it

@daring hedge funny thing about the mega skullcrusher

if you accidentally darkness and he just goes into the sky for eternity

you can darkness again and he'll come back down immediately

[daring hedge]

sigil of the on/off switch

[dire steppe]

would you take UC2 for 2 heat if it existed? what would you take off?

[daring hedge]

would heavily depend on aspect and what build you're doing

like, a charged flight beo run could probably go for it as long as a decent special boon stays

but right now i like that UC is capped at 1

feels good there

[true fable]

oh god UC2 with RI1 would be brutal

[dire steppe]

uc3 ri1 :p

[true fable]

forced boonless run

[daring hedge]

RI2 tartarus would also just be incredibly harsh with a UC2

oh bright literally just said that whoops

[true fable]

lol ninja'd

but tldr sigil makes enemies act funny

manipulating the funniness can help you win

ive made hades spin 4 times in a row before

[daring hedge]

this is your brain:
this is your brain on zagreus using sigil in front of you: 🔄

[true fable]

loool

did you sigil at 40

apparently they might be nerfing it 👀

[hollow lynx]

dad's true power? not darkness, but ai manipulation

[daring hedge]

i didn't but i probably should've/could've

ran acorn instead

yeah sigil might go back to how many of us initially thought it would work on lesser

that is to say: not great

[hollow lynx]

how about we let strong things be strong 😔

especially since it's like... literally your dad's keepsake to you

[daring hedge]

yeah i would honestly rather have the tooltip reworked to reflect how it works now rather than revert lesser sigil to be incredibly niche

i thought it was kinda cool how pretty much the most endgame keepsake you get is good for speedrun content

[true fable]

i think itd be slightly more balanced if it were like 50%-75%

[daring hedge]

i wouldn't mind that

would still be used plenty in the same way

[honest kernel]

That'd be actually fair

[true fable]

free rush delivery for 2 seconds is bonkers

[honest kernel]

If a keepsake let's me hyper-kill Elysium enemies with Zeus Aspect of shield, sometime's WRONG

Like, with Explosive return, not even a second is needed

They just die

[true fable]

when you compare it to actual boons you realize how busted it is

imagine a level 2 epic hydraulic might on cooldown

i heard they might change it to just first strike though which would suck

[daring hedge]

yeah

would definitely incentivize the greater call more, but as a result speedrunners would no longer care for it

[ripe crane]

Wait what

I don't know how sigil works at all tbh

[honest kernel]

Makes you invisible for 2 seconds until you strike

Also gives you a damage boost for 2 seconds

That's how I think it works

[daring hedge]

yeah

[true fable]

the damage boost is +100% to all damage

LOL

[daring hedge]

and despite how the tooltip is worded, the damage boost is active for two seconds regardless of when you first attack

[ripe crane]

So like as soon as you activate the 2 seconds starts?

[daring hedge]

yeah

[true fable]

it also does other cool things for speed

like drawing all melee types toward you

when you use it

they go to where you were last spotted

[gaunt fiber]

I see

Time for some charged skewer insane crits

Idk if I would use it at high heat tho

Not good enough

[honest kernel]

I've seen bombers throw bombs in the lava when I used the keepsake for some reason ?

It's wonky on some enemies

[ripe crane]

Hmmmm that does sound kinda cool but I am not good enough to make use of it at 40 heat

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

[daring hedge]

it's still gonna be very niche and seldom used at high heat regardless of if it's changed or not, yeah

[true fable]

crepes you did boonless 45 you can definitely go without a call

[honest kernel]

I tried using it a few times

It's worked fine for rooms

For bosses ... not so much LOL

[true fable]

for bosses it seems tough for sure

just because any combination of HL/FO/LC makes health trading less viable

[calm storm]

Man I am upset... Tried my first 40 heat run everything was going relatively okay. Got pretty awful luck with the boons but still got to Styx with 350 hp and 3 DDs. Unfortunately then I got a 5-sack and the Athena room's death defiance boon was screwed by pact of punishment. Got Hades to 3rd phase and got rekt

Died with 30 sec left - it's likely I would've died to the time running out if Hades didn't kill me

[true fable]

it happens

go again

[calm storm]

Yep going again!

Changed up mirror for higher chance of duo boons... If I can get heart rend then it might be ok for time at least

[ripe crane]

I have forgotten to die 3 times in a row on this run for Athena and have been offered Deathless Stand every time

749 damage per Dem fist special crit. Deleted post-call Theseus with one attack. Definitely the strongest I have had

[calm storm]

Yeah demeter fist definitely blows things up!

RIPped in Styx again :/

Game is hard

[ripe crane]

I had 319% backstab damage and somehow managed to backstab dad like one time. How am I so bad at that.

11:37 for my first try at 40 heat at dem fist. How does Tail have 9:02 😠

Probably because he can backstab

[daring hedge]

i did have +190% dash-strike damage from hunter dash and epic chaos lunge combined lol

[ripe crane]

I have an epic and common backstab from Chaos and blinding flash

Doesn't seem like it should be that hard to land them on dad

[daring hedge]

just make sure you don't pom that exposed

[ripe crane]

Yeah I avoid all nectars/pom slices after picking that up

[daring hedge]

good news though with that, i believe that bug is going to be fixed very soon

possibly with the next test branch update

[ripe crane]

Hey that is good news

Have to completely avoid poms with it during AP2 runs 😦

[unreal pasture]

Poms don't work on the Athena curse?

[hollow lynx]

no lol

the bug is that they work too well

each level adds a hidden +100% to the boost

[dire steppe]

me vibing with level 18 exposed

[unreal pasture]

huh

[calm storm]

What do you guys run for 40 heat? Can anyone pm me a screenshot of a decent setup?

[dire steppe]

start with ri4 lc4 em4 td3 ap2

[unreal pasture]

Nyaan's last victory screen cap is literally a 40 #h1-victory-boasting message

Though... probably you alter that to some degree. you probably don't want TD3... but it's hard to replace that 3 heat

Depends how confident you are on time

TD3 or Jury Summons are interchangeable 3 heat, I guess... jury summons is pretty obnoxious

Kills time hardcore... especially if you get a bad room of poppers

[gaunt fiber]

TD 3 is perfectly fine without too much JS

She does not want to turn off TD3

And she contaminated me with this habit I would say, but you can go TD2 with JS or whatever

Just avoid AP and RI for 40 really. EM 4 is not mandatory either

You could put on some DC to lower HL too

[ripe crane]

I'm too scared for speedrunning

[honest kernel]

TD2 is more than fine

TD3 is for the speedy nutters

AKA why did I even bother doing it with my 50 heat Zeus aspect clear LOL

with EM4 in the mix

[rain sedge]

TD3 is fine for most weapons until you get 4 sacced

another reason why styx was a mistake

[dire steppe]

i feel like they should just enforce 2 sack

[cedar thistle]

maybe. just like td turning off survival rooms. they could make higher tds reduce sacks. it sounds pretty sane to me.

or maybe some combination of td3+minimum heat level.

[rain sedge]

all endgame content in this game relies heavily on 2 sacs. 40+ heat, speedrun, almost always necessitates it

and there's no worse feeling than having a good run literally ended with a coin toss

[ripe crane]

Would love a speedrun mode with fixed 2sack

[true fable]

🦀dad keepsake confirmed dead 🦀

theyre gonna make it match the tooltip

[rain sedge]

On pc you can mod it I think

Source, bright?

[true fable]

dunko said theyre probs pushing it out on test branch soon

[tidal flame]

test branch incoming with some balance changes, but we don't know exactly what's entailed

i'll take dunk's words with a grain of salt

[edgy arrow]

oof i hope they don’t make it match the tooltip

they could just nerf the damage instead

[true fable]

yeah nerfing the base dmg would feel best imo

ironically if they just made it match tooltip it would be about the same for rama i think

[terse pecan]

Is it worth pumping poms into crystal beam?

I can't tell if it's worth, the +1 base damage might be misleading but it doesn't seem amazing?

[hollow lynx]

well at common, it's 8 base damage every .2 secs for 5 seconds

so 8 x 5 x 5 = 200 damage per beam

9 x 25 (+1 base damage) is 225 per beam

for every +1 base damage you get +25 more damage

[terse pecan]

hmm

[hollow lynx]

of course, if you're running infernal soul

that's 600 damage just from picking up the boon (assuming that all of the duration hits, which isn't always feasible)

[terse pecan]

thanks onyx

[dire steppe]

how much heat should LC be worth if it also applied to DD/SD

[tidal flame]

what do you mean by that?

also, Ronnie, good showing at the cup. too bad you had to place the reigning champion haha

[dire steppe]

like LC4 is 4 heat because it doesn’t even matter that much because you have SD, but how much would it be worth if LC4 meant your DDs and stuff didn’t work at all?

[cedar thistle]

it does matter though UwU

[tidal flame]

That's a weird question, so basically you are saying that you don't revive at all (because revive at 0 is death)?

[edgy arrow]

there’s no way to guess because the heat prices are all over the place

[tidal flame]

Then it has the same value as RI4.

[edgy arrow]

so 8 lol

that’s the same price as, idk, TD2 EM2 MM or something fairly trivial

heat prices are meaningless basically

i mean, strictly speaking it should actually be worth less than RI4, as you lose a bunch of other useful stuff from max RI as well

like an extra dash, casts, dark foresight etc.

[terse pecan]

haha, thanks Fox. I just wanted to do well for my own abilities, and think I pulled it off ok

[cedar thistle]

i watched it too. gj out there.

[edgy arrow]

and i don’t think it’s controversial to say that putting no healing or DDs on a similar level to entry level heat setups would be a bit much lol

tl;dr: don’t think about heat prices too much or the world stops making sense

[tidal flame]

You really did! I am glad you participate.

[terse pecan]

I'm a lil nervous to hop into 40 heat after being out of high heat for so long, but that new speedrun category board is just free real estate

[true fable]

its free real estate

40 soaker when ronnie

[terse pecan]

right now, bet

[true fable]

im down

[terse pecan]

27min igt

[true fable]

[anysoaker 40 heat wr]

[dire steppe]

soaker in speed running

[terse pecan]

^ only dummies run soaker

[ripe crane]

I have an ~11:30 for fists and hestia so far for 40 heat, excited to get confident enough to play riskier and more speed-oriented

[ripe crane]

Do we talk about 40 heat speedruns here or the speedrun discord

[true fable]

ive been doing here just because it seems like the majority of the speedrun disc is anyheat grinders

[sly remnant]

11:30 for speedruns is pretty good at 40 heat. It won't compete with the best but def worth putting on the board

[true fable]

still thinking about bablo's 11 minute 5 sack lol

[sly remnant]

Well ill never be bablo I'm not willing to put in the time

[true fable]

yeah the time is the only thing keeping me from competing with bablo's times too

tyler are you gonna do a 40 heat soaker run for the LB

[sly remnant]

One day when I'm good enough

I am not good enough right now

[true fable]

i just dread BP2 dracons

[sly remnant]

Yea they made me rage quit my stream earlier

Bp2 actually increases the deadliness of encounters way more than I thought they would

I just bleed more health in tartaus and asphodel than I'm used to

Elysium and Styx are about the same

[ripe crane]

10:39 this time 👀

[true fable]

fists or hestia

[ripe crane]

Hest

Battle rage owns. 3500 crit hazard bombs

Don't think this is the right weapon for speed though. Room clear just isn't there

[true fable]

theres someone on the speed discord who basically one tricks hestia

[ripe crane]

Then my goal is to make sure I have a better time than him

[ripe crane]

So it seems like sigil affects damage dealt 2 seconds after you use it, regardless of when you actually perform the attack. I was activiating it right before a hazard bomb landed and it got the buff

Wonder if I'm gonna have to turn into one of those Eris players 😒

[unreal pasture]

So what's the bug with Blinding Flash?

It just does more backstab damage than it's supposed to?

[tidal flame]

There is a, I presume, bug with Than's keepsake.

https://youtu.be/_Jnd0qCFi8M?t=1960

[drowsy berry]

Hello High Heat Friends, we pushed a patch to the test-branch. We would love your feedback on it. Please join us over in #test-branch-discussion!

[loud coral]

Shame I'm a console pleb else I would've been in heaven with the Achilles buff

[true fable]

you should get it on steam just to play new achilles

feels super nice

[loud coral]

Gonna have to order the PC parts with Amazon Prime Deluxe now, the buff sounds amazing

[daring hedge]

Shattered Shackle: increased effectiveness

[hollow lynx]

[true fable]

the diogenes challenge is slightly more doable now

[edgy arrow]

amir wants y’all to do boonless 50 confirmed

[daring hedge]

• Sea Storm will now trigger off Curse of Drowning
  @hollow lynx we made it

the synergy

[hollow lynx]

we did it

i don't have to edit the synergy sheet

can you feel it? the absolute synergy overflowing

[true fable]

that feels like such a useless change lmao

lemme just grab these two duo boons over here

[cedar thistle]

im drowning in it

[edgy arrow]

storm of drowning

[true fable]

tailesque will you do a diogenes just so someone's done it

[edgy arrow]

it’s the new full wine

[hollow lynx]

(speaking of the synergy sheet, i need to edit it based on other epiphanies i made)

[true fable]

where is this sheet

[daring hedge]

wait a what

[true fable]

the diogenes

so it's

[hollow lynx]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U4Gc4bDDQR3Jc0_vvRq1RsvUN-Xm85y90hmww91e3_k/edit?usp=sharing

[true fable]

RI4 HL5 AP2 i think

zag aspect only

[daring hedge]

oh i had no idea this was a thing

[edgy arrow]

could be worse

zag sword?

[true fable]

i think dunko's the only one who's tried it

zag sword counts

oh

[edgy arrow]

or just zag in general

[true fable]

zag in general

it's also shackle only

[daring hedge]

doesn't sound so bad especially if you only need to pick those pact options and nothing else

[true fable]

unequippable

[daring hedge]

FO0 is gonna feel like facing mud men

[edgy arrow]

^

[true fable]

bet

i want to give it a shot but theres so much i want to do in this game rn

[edgy arrow]

wait so boons are allowed, you just can’t unequip the shackle?

[mossy zinc]

That sounds kinda free, yeah. Do it boonless, so it's a bit of a challenge.

[edgy arrow]

lol

[mossy zinc]

Although m not too sure how much of a challenge it is with Shackle at +100%.

[true fable]

LOL

[daring hedge]

yeah shackle is an extremely legit option, now even moreso

[true fable]

the 20% is also very noticeable on zag bow rn

im gonna give it a shot

[edgy arrow]

wait they doubled it?

lit

[true fable]

hopefully all that first run practice will pay off here

[cedar thistle]

interesting they changed bow but left the others alone

[true fable]

well zag spear is the second best aspect in the game so

[edgy arrow]

that bait and switch with the eris change tho lmao

[true fable]

no need to change that there

[cedar thistle]

it's not the best? what's better?

[edgy arrow]

thought it was gonna be a nerf but it’s purely aesthetic

zag spear is third, zag rail is second

[hollow lynx]

post screenshots

[cedar thistle]

nah zag rail is worse than spear. it has shotgun build synergy.

[true fable]

zag spear is literally the second best aspect in the game the numbers dont lie

[edgy arrow]

what numbers are you looking at lol

[true fable]

heat + speed

[edgy arrow]

oh heat as well

fair

[true fable]

im guessing lili beat a new time on zag rail?

dem fists is also up there somewhere now

but i like that zag spear was uncontestably good for a while there

[sonic crane]

хаха пендосы XDD

[true fable]

zag bow with explosive shot is just budget rama

[mossy zinc]

Died to TD3 at Hades phase 2 part 2 with no boons or mirror at 32.

[true fable]

RIP

i died to dad with twin shot explosive shot

[sly remnant]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456889434672201729/725021639506526249/780715259391508510

finally got that damn thing outta the way

got 4 sac'd too

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[sly remnant]

i think wobbles is on to something with not turning on CF until after 45

boons are cool

[mossy zinc]

CF doesn't really bother me too much.

[sly remnant]

sure

but my runs with it not on were way more consistent

I'll take more enemies any day of the week

[mossy zinc]

Why not both?

[sly remnant]

well thats after 45

50 is....daunting

i'll need to get better at beo before i can do that

and i'll probably turn on CF2 CP2 and DC2 to get to 50

[true fable]

i think with beo it matters more

since you almost always want to buy whatever boon is in shop

[sly remnant]

i'm considering running AP1 instead of CF2

for the eventual 50 heat

[daring hedge]

running at least one level of AP is very nearly mandatory at 50

[sly remnant]

yea i know.....it just sucks on beowulf

[true fable]

just go infernal

:^)

the diogenes has been fun so far

dad is still hard with 1 dash

[sly remnant]

there's no point going infernal

its already been done

we have to prove stygian can do it

[true fable]

charged flight has done it

im really not used to playing with HS and it shows

[sly remnant]

turn it on and leave it on

its just like FO2

[true fable]

i really hate that thing on KBM

idk

[sly remnant]

yea i'm kbm too

[cedar thistle]

Time to convert to controller

[true fable]

i hate itttttt

[sly remnant]

idk the aiming fidelity on kbm is actually important

[cedar thistle]

Only rail special uses it

[true fable]

yeah i'm in too deep to switch

so i will follow amir's advice

[sly remnant]

i get SICK blocks with beo i wouldn't get normally

[true fable]

and simply turn off heightened security

[cedar thistle]

Do controller mouse hybird ;)

[sly remnant]

i'm considering it

[cedar thistle]

I tried it for a couple if runs. Not too bad tbh

I tried putting dash on L. And also tried dash to cursor with right click, but felt pretty good

[sly remnant]

yea i have dash to cursor

[cedar thistle]

Ah. Shouldnt be hard for you to do a hybrid controls then :O

[sly remnant]

do you think its worth submitting that 45 video to the spreadsheet? spreadsheet seems kinda dead honestly

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I dunno. @autumn sable is MIA.

[true fable]

im just gonna submit 40s to the leaderboard

3 weeks is better than never

[ripe crane]

Let's just make a new spreadsheet

ALSO SHACKLE

[mossy zinc]

I made one that let people add their own runs, but no one bothered, and then a day after, Krashercorr came back for a few days and updated his spreadsheet and disappeared again lol.

[ripe crane]

People being able to add their own seems ideal. At least up to a certain heat.

Was that recently?

[mossy zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fYeJpxFXZBO2UycHOz4qt90T3ZurFZKCtg07UQNZVyc/edit?usp=sharing

There you go. It's set to let people make comments for now, and I would approve the comments. But I don't have the time to verify runs. I feel like the community will naturally do that anyway, though.

Actually, I'll just let people make edits since I can check edit history anyway.

If people abuse it, I'll just have to change it.

But high heat community is pretty small, I think that's fine.

Looks like your run from last Friday was added to Krashercorr's list, though. Maybe people just don't submit anything.

[mossy zinc]

I have tabs for Unseeded, Seeded, No Boons, and RI4 now.

[cinder cave]

[honest kernel]

The hell did I miss

[mossy zinc]

I dunno lol. What did you miss?

[honest kernel]

This whole new patch thing apparently

Shackles is even better ? 55 heat here I come

[cinder cave]

I really like the look of the new patch

haven't had time to play it though

[ripe crane]

I am doing 50 today. Gonna happen. Was on pace for sub 10 Elyseum this morning before dying to speeder slugger chariots in chamber 33.

[cinder cave]

Achilles cast build becoming competitive?

Good luck for 50

[ripe crane]

I didn't even look at Achilles, what % is it up to?

[cinder cave]

+200% I think, from +150%

[mossy zinc]

Sub 10 Elysium at 50?

[cinder cave]

actually a competitive number with Hades

although tbf Hades is global damage received

[mossy zinc]

No, it's Attack and Special.

[cinder cave]

whoops goes to show much aspect of Hades I've played

[mossy zinc]

I guess you were too slow for the Chariots.

[cinder cave]

I blame you for getting me into GY

[mossy zinc]

They didn't like your slow pace, so they ran you over.

[cinder cave]

[mossy zinc]

Guan Yu is just a fun aspect.

I think it's actually my second most played aspect after Zag Fists.

[cinder cave]

Wait zag fists really?

think the zag aspects are my least played because I find them very vanilla

[ripe crane]

Punching while not being punched back. What's not to like?

[cinder cave]

Think my most played gun for example is Lucifer because I find it actually interesting

[mossy zinc]

Zag Fists was literally all I used to play lol.

[cinder cave]

That's fair

[mossy zinc]

After they released Malphon.

It used to give +15% Attack speed, too.

(which later when they removed it, they told us only actually worked on the very first hit)

It felt noticeably faster, though.

[cinder cave]

Interesting

I mean if it was an always on 15% attack speed that would be broken

That would've been interesting to lab but I guess the patch is past so whatever

[cinder cave]

Is it just me or does Hestia feel extra safe

I find I have a lot of time to empty dash rather than dash strike

[autumn sable]

I have indeed been MIA. Without revealing too much, it’s been primarily due to my job and its intersection with the COVID crisis. That being said, I still very much appreciate all the pings because it’s still on my to-do list and the pings help me keep track of things.

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge suggested he might help verify runs if you made him a mod on the spreadsheet.

[misty hamlet]

50 heat zag sword is giving me trouble

[mossy zinc]

My solution for 40 Heat sword was playing Poseidon aka not sword.

Stygius annoys me at high heat.

I'm not good with it, and I don't know if I want to be lol.

[misty hamlet]

I can’t seem to get a build that does the damage it needs

[mossy zinc]

ME it is.

[misty hamlet]

That was my first approach. The game was being real cute about denying me what I needed though, so I got irritated and tried some other approaches

[mossy zinc]

What are your pacts? Maybe do some changes there.

[misty hamlet]

Not at my computer ATM, I suppose I will though

Man, getting all 24 aspects at 50 is gonna take awhile 😐

[mossy zinc]

lol yup.

[misty hamlet]

I suppose I’m too used to playing TD2 as well

[mossy zinc]

I finished all weapons at 40+ yesterday: 4/4 bow, 4/4 fists, 3/4 spear, 1/4 rail, 1/4 shield, 1/4 sword.

[misty hamlet]

👏

[mossy zinc]

Arigatou.

[sly remnant]

i should learn all weapons

but i wanna get that beo record

[mossy zinc]

I don't know if I want to play the rails that are not Hestia lol.

Or the swords that force me to play sword.

Maybe I should do a Blade Dash or Tidal Dash build with all of those aspects instead.

[sly remnant]

i mean arthur kinda isn't sword

[mossy zinc]

I'm fed up with Excalibur at high heat with FO2 at the moment.

[sly remnant]

yea FO2 is absolutely brutal for excal

[sly remnant]

bablo doing a 40 heat right now and its looking spicy

[ripe crane]

Aspect?

[sly remnant]

eris

it was 9:40 i think

[ripe crane]

I might have to pick up Eris. I got a 10:39 yesterday with Hestia and it felt like one of the best runs I've had. I don't know if it can compete with what will be sub-9 times

[rain sedge]

9.40 Eris at 40 heat yikes

I did mine at like 9 heat and got 9.14

[ripe crane]

Shouldn't be a huge difference time wise, things are just more dangerous. You have EM3 and BP2, and MM; that's probably it.

I assume at least. Would need to peep his heat loadout

[trim sigil]

At that high heat you may have to take JS and CP so it does take longer to kill stuff

[ripe crane]

Not at 40

[mossy zinc]

HL.

[trim sigil]

Hmm, fair enough ig

then again, HL means no facetanking so less dmg opportunities anyway

[dire steppe]

HL5 is way easier than FO2 tbh

tbh i wonder if abyssal blood is better for pure cast builds because boiling doesn’t affect cast damage anyway

especially since they gave it a little nudge this update (how much?)

[mossy zinc]

At 40, you'd have both FO2 and HL5, though. Especially if you're speedrunning.

Pure cast builds I don't think are much of a thing at high heat. You'll want to use Attack or Special, too.

[dire steppe]

that’s true

[loud coral]

As soon as you're forced to enable DC then cast builds stop being potent

They still kinda work on 40 heat but 45+ is a lost cause

[thorn cape]

With Hestia how do y'all deal with the enemies in Styx and Hades???

It feels like I can fight most things off and dodge for a bit but it takes forever to kill stuff up there

[mossy zinc]

Piercing Fire tbh.

[hollow lynx]

get piercing, ricochet, or explosive fire

hestia really appreciates some form of multi-target on the empowered shot

[honest kernel]

Was gonna make it at 55 heat with meme beam

Got 4-sacked into timeout

It was EM3 too

[tidal flame]

What's up with you and all the close calls at Styx?

With that many close attempts, one of them must have succeeded. Truly a curse player.

[sly remnant]

Lmao

Ap1 just crossed out trippy flare 3 times in a row

What a fun pact

[true fable]

AP does not spark joy

zag bow is now quite impressive for 5 titan blood

i guess this is the wrong channel

[wraith imp]

why doesn't aphro's charm last as long it claims to last against bosses? it seems to last for about half as long. it's really quite jarring on high heat runs.

[loud coral]

Lasts for 1 second iirc

Charm is still super good with Theseus since Asterius' spin can destroy the guy's health bar

[tidal flame]

Theseus gatling gun can destroy Asterius if timed right. Similarly, Asterius can spin Theseus to oblivion.

[sly remnant]

i've done some meme runs where i pom aphro call a lot and have theseus completely kill asterius before

oh man

i'm at elysium on this 50 heat run

i am not recording

i'm gonna be sad if this is the one

nvm died to asterius

[mossy zinc]

Grats on dying so you don't have to feel sad.

[sly remnant]

lol i was honestly playing reckless cuz i was like

i do nto want this to be the run

[rain sedge]

@honest kernel just mod it to be 2 sac, that's what I'm gonna do when I get to play on PC

[sly remnant]

i hate that AP1 just gifted me that run adn i didn't feel its impact at all

and the run before I couldn't get anything going

[mossy zinc]

lol i was honestly playing reckless cuz i was like
i do nto want this to be the run
Now, imagine it had been the run and a speedrun record because you played so reckless.

[sly remnant]

i would have actually devoted my life to figuring out time travel

[mossy zinc]

That will be rejected on leaderboards, though.

[rain sedge]

Is there even a way to prove it?

[coral ravine]

Would this be considered the speed running channel?

[rain sedge]

not that I know how to do it on PC

[coral ravine]

Just starting to get into this game more and considering trying it out

[rain sedge]

no, there's an entirely different speedrunning discord

this is high heat

[coral ravine]

Cool

Anyone have link?

Or is it on Reddit/google?

[rain sedge]

@true fable

boss?

[hollow lynx]

https://www.speedrun.com/hades

[coral ravine]

K I’ll check that out thanks

[ripe crane]

Artemis on attack and also piercing fire is probably the best Hestia hammer as Nyaa said

[true fable]

do you do tidal dash crepes

for styx

or athena all the way

[sly remnant]

just don't get rats 🙂

[mossy zinc]

I like Heartbreak Strike over Deadly Strike, but both make sense.

[mossy zinc]

No, but I feel like that shouldn't be the spirit of things.

[sly remnant]

I'm not a hestia player. can you explain to me why you like heartbreak strike over deadly strike?i figured damage was the name of the game

[dire steppe]

trying out new achilles with hunting blades on 32 heat

tartarus thigns die so fast to slicing shot

[sly remnant]

FO2?

[rain sedge]

I tried that this morning, it was fun

lighning phalanx is still the better build tho I think

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike does more damage out of the gate.

Deadly Strike requires some t2 or other support to come online.

I also like Weak and the ability to get Smoldering Air.

[sly remnant]

ah true. weak is a lot of EHP and smoldering air

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Strike will also one-shot a lot of enemies consistently where Deadly Strike would need 2 shots unless you crit on the first.

Of course that can go the other way, too.

It's hard to gauge which comes out ahead due to factors like that.

But, I live for Lady Aphrodite, so obviously she's always the right choice. 💗

[sly remnant]

respect

[rain sedge]

simp

[ripe crane]

Me like big number

[sly remnant]

yea maybe hestia should be my next project after beo 50

i like big numbers

[rain sedge]

may I interest you in relentless + concentrated volley chiron?

[sly remnant]

i'm not a chiron player unfortunately

just don't like the weapon

[ripe crane]

Too many number. ONE big number only

[sly remnant]

^exactly

rama fun

beo fun

[rain sedge]

yeah jokes aside chiron struggle at high heat

[mossy zinc]

Chiron doesn't struggle at high heat. It's really good.

[rain sedge]

let me correct myself

I struggle with chiron at high heat beacause I'm bad

[loud coral]

Chiron is somehow still incredibly good even after the nerf

Wouldn't be surprised if the next update just removed it from the game

[rain sedge]

why can't I do even 40 heat with it then 😦 😦 😦

[loud coral]

I can't do 32 heat with Chaos Shield, just comes down to what you're good with

[sly remnant]

simple

don't play chaos 🙂

do you like not big numbers

[honest kernel]

Join the Zeus shield gang

[sly remnant]

do you like not having to play boss fights

[mossy zinc]

Have you done with 40 with any other aspects?

[sly remnant]

demeter

[thorn cape]

hesita athena strike demeter randomness but get stubborn roots and as much health as possible

[sly remnant]

i could probably do rama relatively quickly

[loud coral]

Was already in it, never been able to use Chaos so I turned to the Beyblade

Still got no idea how people play Beowulf

[thorn cape]

if you get the special maxed up it's rlly good

[mossy zinc]

Divine Strike on Hestia does like no damage.

I mean I guess it works, but why not just take Heartbreak Strike or Deadly Strike and actually do damage?

[thorn cape]

it's the same right???

[loud coral]

With Lucifer does the attack always deflect or only when there's ticks of damage?

[thorn cape]

like near 70 ish %

[mossy zinc]

Nope. Nowhere near the same.

[thorn cape]

what build do you use then???

[loud coral]

I mean I wouldn't use Divine Strike on Hestia

[mossy zinc]

Me? Shackle and nothing else at the moment lol.

Heartbreak Strike, Zeus' Aid, Smoldering Air.

Also Divine Dash.

[thorn cape]

that does more damage tho???

[sly remnant]

significantly

you don't mean artemis attack do you?

[thorn cape]

no athena, used it bc wanted stubborn roots

and the deflect

[sly remnant]

yea the numbers on deadly strike or heartbreak strike are significantly bigger

[mossy zinc]

This is what I used at 32 mirrorless. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776362459123548171/Hades_1143.png?width=821&height=462

[thorn cape]

how???

is that even enough damage

your shots would only crit occasionally right?

18 minutes too

[sly remnant]

sure but the numbers still work out larger overall

[thorn cape]

and 200 clears

[mossy zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing

[thorn cape]

I think you might just be like rlly rlly good lmao

[sly remnant]

nyaa is very good

but that doesn't change numbers

[north dove]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/780884289632862248/unknown.png this run almost gave me a heart attack

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations!

[loud coral]

Ayy nice!

[sly remnant]

nice job retrash

[loud coral]

That 1% damage reduction really came in clutch huh

[thorn cape]

y'all are insane

I can still barely do 18 heat

[north dove]

blade dash is actually so good on gilgamesh it's unreal

[thorn cape]

so nyaa you didn't need any legendary boons or duos and you still could beat high heat with it??

[honest kernel]

You should have seen the boonless 45 heat runs lol

[thorn cape]

And here I thought 10 heat em4 arthur was something 😅

[honest kernel]

EM4 is a pain

You did good

[rain sedge]

52 gilgamesh

lord almighty retrash

send it to the spreadsheet

[north dove]

is the spreadsheet getting updated now?

[rain sedge]

I think.... nya had a talk with the spreadsheet maintainer?

I wasn't paying too much attention, unsure of the resolution

also I think a few days ago people were saying gilgamesh isn't a real aspect, you can @ them all now retrash

[ripe crane]

Yooooo that's wild

[north dove]

[ripe crane]

I tried that after your 50 clear with it and I just couldn't vibe with Gilg. V impressive

[rain sedge]

alright I'm motivated to retry that 40 chiron

[north dove]

thanks crepes

At least you can do high heat boonless, my brain doesn't work if I don't see shiny visual effects on my attacks

[rain sedge]

yea a lot of purple boons

[proud jay]

52 gilgo is insane gz dude

[rain sedge]

o.O is that the bablo from speedrun city?

[proud jay]

I used to live here

[mossy zinc]

bablo goes wherever there are WRs to claim still.

[ripe crane]

Bablo back for 40 heat speedruns?

[sly remnant]

he had a pretty decent one earlier

[proud jay]

I did one 40 heat today, like 9:40 with eris

[ripe crane]

I'm trying with Hestia but there's no way it can keep up with Eris, gonna have to switch I think :(

[rain sedge]

@mossy zinc what was the spreadsheet resolution? are you updating it now?

[proud jay]

Better switch eris then?

[ripe crane]

I think so

[proud jay]

Does it matter if hestia is slower

Hestia is still hella fun

[ripe crane]

For speedruns yes that is bad :p

[mossy zinc]

I was doing boonless mirrorless this morning at 32 Heat but timed out at Hades phase 2 part 2 lol.

[proud jay]

I wouldnt compare hestia runs to eris runs

[mossy zinc]

@proud jay I submitted a bunch of slow 18+ min mirrorless runs for 32 Heat today.

[proud jay]

Oh no

[mossy zinc]

Getting on the board in last place, but they're mirrorless.

So I feel like all the other 32 runs should have an asterisk added lol.

But it's okay. 32 meta will soon be mirrorless boonless.

Then we can finally solve the question "what pacts and mirror talents should I take for 32?"

[waxen relic]

"And what build I should go for?"

[mossy zinc]

Oh right. I meant mirror and build.

I guess I gotta do it with all weapons, though.

Still gotta figure out mirrorless shield.

[honest kernel]

Have fun with that one

[waxen relic]

Zag or Zeus in my opinion

[honest kernel]

No

Chaos

You actually play ranged somewhat with it

That’s value when you otherwise play melee

[mossy zinc]

I got to Hades with Chaos already.

[waxen relic]

With what damage?

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Flourish and Explosive Return.

[waxen relic]

Oh wait 'just' mirrorless

[sly remnant]

does explosive trigger multiple times on chaos shield?

[honest kernel]

No

Not from what I recall

[mossy zinc]

No. Just once.

[rain sedge]

hmmm 5 dashes on 40 chiron

this can be fun

hmm, TIL athena call didn't stop TD damage

[sly remnant]

it only prevents you from wiping at 1 hp

[mossy zinc]

Divine Protection does that.

[rain sedge]

yeah, had a 5 divine dash run, but just ran out of time

I didn't get good enough boons to do the DPS needed, heart rend came too slow and got all common boons

[gaunt fiber]

I got a little game for you

https://imgur.com/FwFfmDP

Find Zagreus

[neat furnace]

right at the centre of the shades murdering him

[gaunt fiber]

not quite

[sly remnant]

is he thta little blur to the southeast of center

[gaunt fiber]

nope

[cinder cave]

In the house of hades

[tidal flame]

ok CSI time

since all of the skulls and thugs are converging to one point, it means that Zag is within one dash radius from the cluster of skulls

[twilit orbit]

he is behind big rock pillar

[tidal flame]

since the post is likely for comedic effect, I vote Zag is mid dash on the river, he will land on the spike and instagib himself.

[sly remnant]

OH I SEE HIM

[twilit orbit]

do I win the prize

[rain sedge]

he's behind the pillar, right?

[gaunt fiber]

not behind a pillar

[sly remnant]

he is stuck dashing across the gap

at the north corner

you can see his laurels

[gaunt fiber]

yup !

I lived through that tho

[rain sedge]

where o.O

[gaunt fiber]

head is covered by 4 blues hearts

[sly remnant]

he's inbetween the hp bar of the top numbskull

and the third one

[gaunt fiber]

thanks for playing

[cinder cave]

you guys have better eyes than I do

[north dove]

52 heat gilga vid is up in #self-promotion

[calm storm]

Got my first 40 heat run woop woop!

Learned some harsh truths after a couple of losses and got there in the end

[honest kernel]

Pog

[cinder cave]

gratz man!

[sly remnant]

congrats!

[gaunt fiber]

I'm proud to announce that I can get consistently killed by EM4 Dad

Which is progress

[calm storm]

Thanks friends! EM4 dad is something else....

[north dove]

EM4 dad is real tough, but his patterns are learnable so getting there means you'll at least get better at fighting him

[gaunt fiber]

That's the point indeed

[north dove]

is this still GY 50?

[gaunt fiber]

Nah, 43-45 atm

[north dove]

ah, keep at it then!

[gaunt fiber]

I will add AP later

I need to fight angry dad

Getting to dad every time with a 50 setup is gonna be tough so I'd rather practice like this

Or tedious, rather

[rain sedge]

You have way more perseverance than me astaos

good luck!

[gaunt fiber]

You should play some souls games !

The only one you have to beat is yourself

You can do it too

[rain sedge]

eeeeh, I didn't really get the appeal of dark souls

I watched demon souls on PS5, but it doesn't attract me either

[gaunt fiber]

It's a bit similar to rogue likes tho

The getting better part at least

[stone jewel]

Does Stygian Blade's 60% health cut for 2 HP per hit work with Demeter's HP gain bonus?

[mossy zinc]

No.

It's also not affected by LC.

[stone jewel]

Thanks a bunch.

[gaunt fiber]

I also made a promise, kinda have to back it up now

[rain sedge]

what promise?

[gaunt fiber]

To clear 50

[rain sedge]

that's a hard one to keep

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but I have no other choice

[rain sedge]

good luck, I'm rooting for you from retirement land :3

[gaunt fiber]

Whaaat

Don't you dare retire

High heat has become your land

[mossy zinc]

I think you need to have a career before you can retire.

[rain sedge]

D:

[mossy zinc]

Request to retire dismissed.

[honest kernel]

Nya always coming in clutch with the roasts

[rain sedge]

that hits harder than dad's HS urn

[gaunt fiber]

Pure evil

You'll get used to it

(Taste your own medicine tho)

[mossy zinc]

Remember that Hades high heat strat #0 is wait for patches.

I couldn't do boonless mirrorless 32 before.

They buffed Shackle in the test branch.

Made it to phase 2 part 2 this morning.

See?

[rain sedge]

remind me, is chiron on PC better than on switch?

I'm on the pre-chaos and orpheus theme patch

[mossy zinc]

I've no clue tbh what patch you're on.

[rain sedge]

1.36?

the one before lucifer buff and chiron change

[mossy zinc]

Chiron Volley on PC is 8 arrows for 80 base damage.

[rain sedge]

7 arrows for me

so mine is weaker, I suppose

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah yeah one arrow preventing you from clearing

[mossy zinc]

No, yours should have higher base damage.

[calm storm]

7x15 vs 8x10 no?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[rain sedge]

so mine is stronger?

nice

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[rain sedge]

guess I should do that chiron 40 before patch

idk why 40 heat feels this hard, eris felt so free

[calm storm]

do you have FO2?

[gaunt fiber]

I have an explanation for eris

[rain sedge]

yea it's 40 heat, had to take it

[calm storm]

I did 40 heat with FO1 and it was pretty easy up until dad

[rain sedge]

what weapon, and did you do EM4?

[calm storm]

Chiron bow 😛

It was EM4 yes

[rain sedge]

I tried that, and it got hard really quickly

[calm storm]

Check #h1-victory-boasting it's about 6 screenshots up

[rain sedge]

it feels like it necessitates patty on the boss

LC2, oh wow

[mossy zinc]

You play the version with which I set a new Chiron WR day 1 first try when I had only played the aspect like 3 times before . . . and which was beaten like 4–5 times the same day because suddenly everyone wanted to 1-up me lol.

Definitely go for Heart Rend and Deadly Flourish with that.

[rain sedge]

if I send my pact setup will you help me out nya?

yea that's what I've been doing

[mossy zinc]

This is what I had for that run. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/761621375903203339/Hades_689.png

Oh I didn't have TD3.

[gaunt fiber]

Shame

[mossy zinc]

Well, I hadn't used the aspect before. So that makes sense.

[rain sedge]

common special 🤔

athena too

I think this is more of your skill rather than your build

[honest kernel]

https://gyazo.com/a843f56fe7fbbddae11b66d9c3176692 The meme beam run I talked about earlier

Chamber 50, I got 4-sacked at 'least

[mossy zinc]

I had Deadly Flourish up to the Temple of Styx.

Had to sell that, Greatest Reflex, or Divine Dash, I think.

[rain sedge]

you got to styx with that build? what in the world

good lord

[honest kernel]

Was surprised myself LOL

[mossy zinc]

So obviously I sold the Flourish lol. Easiest to replace, anyway.

That Epic Heartbreak Strike did a whole lot of work, too.

Most recent Chiron 40 was this. I wouldn't recommend the build, but the pacts are good. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/780159894342205460/Hades_1158.png

[honest kernel]

Curse of Longing over Heart Rend. Spicy stuff

[mossy zinc]

I start with Eternal Rose always.

@honest kernel somebody said it was good with Dire Misfortune, I wanted to test its potential.

[honest kernel]

I assume it was dissapointing ?

[rain sedge]

why do you start with eternal rose, instead of artemis?

[mossy zinc]

Didn't expect much, but it was viable enough, evidently.

Heartbreak Strike and Flourish are both great, potential for Smoldering Air, Low Tolerance, and Heart Rend is all there.

[calm storm]

Eternal rose on chiron start? how come?

I tend to aim for special first?

[mossy zinc]

I'll take whichever is higher rarity from her or the Attack.

You don't have much use for the Special in Tartarus yet, either.

But mainly, I just want to start every run on every aspect with Lady Aphrodite. 💗

[ripe crane]

I can't do speedruns cause I'm on this test branch

[dire steppe]

i used to think em3 was easy but now i keep dying to it

[rain sedge]

as the heat goes up the "easy" things become really hard

like the crystal beams at tartarus is the death of me at 50

[gaunt fiber]

Oh man

[dire steppe]

no i didn’t even change the heat

[gaunt fiber]

Today I fought EM3

[dire steppe]

i just got worse or something

[gaunt fiber]

Acorn not even lifted bois

[thorn cape]

😊

[dire steppe]

honestly maybe i should acorn elysium instead of bone hourglass

[gaunt fiber]

Well if you don't want to get one shot by Asterius sure

[thorn cape]

Is theseus easier on em3 cuz he feels way less dangerous

[cinder cave]

theseus is arguably easier on em3 yes

[dire steppe]

em3 theseus is cool until you get caught in the 100 damage explosion

[cinder cave]

the fact his second phase pops at 33% makes it easier to all in for his health bar

yeah don't get hit by that

[dire steppe]

lol i feel like the game would be so much easier if i turned off hl5

[gaunt fiber]

This is what I thought at first too

But at FO2 Theseus is a fast boi

If you're careless you can get your Acorn gone in a split second

[mossy zinc]

EM3 FO2 HL5 Theseus can be very frustrating with melee or one dash.

[cinder cave]

Oh yeah actually that's fair

FO2 EM3 is a real theseus

but

I've never tried FO2 without EM3 so

i cannot legitimately compare them

[mossy zinc]

They made the bomb bounces much less frustrating than they used to be, though, I think.

[dire steppe]

i thought everyone did bone in elysium

[rain sedge]

I'm starting to like spearpoint more and more tbh

[dire steppe]

didn’t know acorn was the thing

[rain sedge]

why bone, exactly?

[gaunt fiber]

As I said I tried spearpoint

[dire steppe]

longer duration on the SD stuff

[gaunt fiber]

But Acorn is so much hps

[rain sedge]

alright, concentrated and relentless volley chiron is here

[dire steppe]

acorn is like 320-500 free hp on em3

[rain sedge]

if I still lose this just change my name to noob

[ripe crane]

I prefer boneless Elyseum

[dire steppe]

boonless and boneless

[gaunt fiber]

Bone ?

Oh hourglass

[rain sedge]

noooo high rolled for heart rend and didnt get it

pepehands

[gaunt fiber]

Still wondering how I will clear 50 without Heart rend lol

[dire steppe]

hourglass

[gaunt fiber]

Yesterday I watched Crepes, well Hestia is a better GY vs Dad lol

[mossy zinc]

Hourglass in Elysium is more fringe at high heat, Acorn is meta.

[dire steppe]

my plans for 6x32 is rama achilles eris arthur/poseidon zeus, then no idea for fists

[tidal flame]

Is there a choice other than Demeter?

[rain sedge]

demeter is people's favourite

also chiron is free on 32 I swear

FINALLY heart rend at styx shop

I just need to get 2 sac and I'm good

[dire steppe]

i’ve used rama exclusively for so long that i forgot the other bows have such a tiny hit box

[true fable]

talos is starting to get popular

[dire steppe]

i think hades is considered the best for spear although idk how much the achilles dash thing is going to change that

[ripe crane]

Gilg is officially highest heat fist now, so that means it's the best

[rain sedge]

nya in shambles

[ripe crane]

Same tbh

[true fable]

i dont like the idea of gilgamesh being good

[rain sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/crazy-man-crying-woman-emotional-crying-tears-gif-15212655

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[ripe crane]

Me, struggling for a week to get a 51 on the """best""" fist and finally luck into a perfect build.
Retrash: haha blade dash go brrrr

[rain sedge]

2 SACCCC

LET'S GOOOOOO 40 CHIRON

[ripe crane]

He bout to do it

[gaunt fiber]

He sure will

[tidal flame]

he's starting to believe

[north dove]

I will do everything in my power to keep zag sword and gilga fists at the top

[rain sedge]

#h1-victory-boasting message

Didn't even use DD, the 2 sac didn't matter in the end

alright I'm unretired

retrash.... did you... do 50 heat zag sword?

did I miss this .

[north dove]

51

[rain sedge]

lord have mercy on us

that is literally the worst aspect in the game

[north dove]

zag spear is worst I think

I had more trouble with it at least

[rain sedge]

you can cheese zag spear with some spear hammer, right?

around 16 heat or so it was fine for me last time.... but it's not 50 heat

alright, what's the next 40 heat I need to do

is poseidon or achilles easier?

[gaunt fiber]

Congrats ! @rain sedge

[rain sedge]

thanks

[rain sedge]

hmm, poseidon is super hard on 40

[wanton plover]

hey guys is the high heat spreadsheet still being updated

[tidal flame]

yeah it should

though the frequency is a bit lower than before. Krasherr is oddly quiet recently

[ripe crane]

Made it to Hades at 50 heat boonless, 4:30 on the clock and 650hp. Choked harder than I've ever choked before. I don't understand how I'm so bad at this fight

[rain sedge]

"650 HP"?

is this EM4

[ripe crane]

No

[honest kernel]

Now you know how I feel in my 55 heat attempts

[ripe crane]

Very easily beat the runback from backup save 😴😴

[rain sedge]

how do you even do 55 without EM4 baj?

[honest kernel]

Hope I can nab the heroes and hydra without the accorn lol

But seriously, it's been fruitless so far

Shackles ain't working with AP2

And I hopped off the test branch too

... I really should consider streaming my attempts lol

Could make many clips

[ripe crane]

This boonless finish is the fastest 50 hestia I've done lol

Ugh. I'm just gonna practice this fight all night

You should stream

Very easy to setup

[true fable]

oh lawdy those sigil + splash dash changes

[sly remnant]

am i gonna have to start building drunken dash on beo now

[true fable]

it counts for blackout :))))

best boon in the game

[sly remnant]

i mean a 60% damage boost on beo actually sounds kinda Pog

• its an easy way to pop DC hearts at high heat

OUCH SPLASH DASH NO LONGER WORKS TO GET SEA STORM

thats a hefty nerf

[rain sedge]

Of no no no

They killed eris

My baby

I have to get 50 before the patch is out

[honest kernel]

How did they nerf it now

[rain sedge]

...... Which will be in 2021 at the very least since I'm playing on switch

So I got time .

[dire steppe]

lost another 32 heat attempt to a 3 sack

patty expired because of sack number

[rain sedge]

Reduced damage bonus, sea storm prerequisite not including tidal dash, pom scaling on tidal dash reduced

It's as bad as it gets as far as nerfs go tbh

[dire steppe]

Looks like they didnt nerf sigil though

[honest kernel]

Oh no splash dash might be a bit worse, how awful

Not like it's the only build or anything

[rain sedge]

It's the sea storm I think

I mean speedrun is absolutely shuffled though

No way Eris stays at the top with these nerfs

[honest kernel]

That and the Hades Keepsake changes

Speedrunning meta about to take a huge shift

[rain sedge]

Yea I didn't see that on the readme

[honest kernel]

• Sigil of the Dead: adjusted number of stocks; clarified tooltip to show the damage duration separate from the invisibility duration

2 instead of 4, apparently

[rain sedge]

It says tooltip fix

[dire steppe]

if i understand correctly they changed the text of hades keepsake so that it explains dmg stays even when you're visible again

[honest kernel]

You know, how it had 4 small charges

It has 2 instead

[dire steppe]

wait what

[honest kernel]

Can't open up rooms with it anymore

[rain sedge]

Well, wouldn't that just be better? Can do max gauge more often?

Oooohhhhh

Ohhh no no no

[honest kernel]

Yuuuup

[dire steppe]

Does the 2 charges mean they take twice as long to charge up as before

[honest kernel]

hmm hmm

[dire steppe]

Or that it's now easier to max gauge

[spring kettle]

Are the 2 charges better at least?

[honest kernel]

They are the same, from the notes

[rain sedge]

Well. Remember the long discussion here about Meg's keepsake and SD?

[spring kettle]

Like, do they do more with their half compared to the quarters from before?

[honest kernel]

So they essentially gutted the charge in half

[rain sedge]

I think that is fixed

[honest kernel]

• Skull Earring: fixed issues with activation at exactly 30% health

Yeah

[rain sedge]

Which might mean for high heat, meg keepaake might be a valid DPS option

I mean, mid heat like 32

Where you don't need acorn

[honest kernel]

So long as you don't nab a Touch of Styx lol

[rain sedge]

Yea with my luck that thing never appears

But fair

I wonder... You could just speedrun on SD...

Also shackle buffed, boonless people rejoice

[honest kernel]

Already tested the shackles buffs

they are real

And VERY nice

[ripe crane]

Yes

Me like

[rain sedge]

Crepes

What's the Eris nerf number?