h1-high-heat-strategies

[daring hedge]

ugh please

it deserves this

[hollow lynx]

shield doesn't deserve anything ❤️

[honest kernel]

After the chaos aspect nerfs ? 🤷‍♂️

[hollow lynx]

i was saying that after the dashing wallop nerf lol

[honest kernel]

lmao

[daring hedge]

onyx really said "no <3"

[hollow lynx]

speaking of which sgg bring back old dashing wallop pls

[daring hedge]

huge wallop

[tidal flame]

bring back the old SF

wth

[hollow lynx]

[cerulean frigate]

SGG:
-changed Zagreus aspect bonus to 15% special damage
-adjusted max shields on chaos aspect to 4
-halved Zeus aspect special damage
-Beowulf aspect can no longer load casts mid dragon rush

[mossy zinc]

Problem with something like that is that pact difficulty depends a lot on your skill and what else you're combining it with.

[tidal flame]

-Beowulf aspect can no longer load casts mid dragon rush
honestly though, why

such a neat tech

[hollow lynx]

-changed zag sword to purely 5% dash distance increase, too powerful beforehand

[true fable]

wait are these actual changes

or test branch

[cerulean frigate]

no

[hollow lynx]

yes

[honest kernel]

memes

[cerulean frigate]

lol

[mossy zinc]

E.g., HL5 FO0 can be free 5 Heat for experienced players who don't get hit and absolutely brutal for less experiened players.

[tidal flame]

beowulf cast was real i thought

[true fable]

bro i would end it all if they made that beowulf change

[mossy zinc]

Whereas HL5 FO2 can be difficult even for very experienced players.

[true fable]

sometimes i just forget to load it ok

[hollow lynx]

-changed shield so it can no longer block, was too unimmersive

[honest kernel]

How does that change much for Beo players

I thought they just nuked stuff with casts and that was it

[cerulean frigate]

it changes a lot if you couldn't load mid rush

[honest kernel]

the block thing I meant

[mossy zinc]

Your best guide for pact difficulty is really your own experience, and if you don't have experience with all the pacts, the best thing you can do is just try a lot combinations and get that experience.

Then if you struggle with any pacts in particular, you can ask more specific questions for how to best deal with them.

At which point something that at first seemed super hard might become super easy once you figure out how to deal with it reliably.

[amber badger]

Gotcha, I'll get my ass kicked then come back for help as necessary, then

[cerulean frigate]

i would leave tight deadline 1 on. it's easy but there's still a psychological element to get used to playing on a timer

[true fable]

blocking is actually kind of important for beo

esp if you end up with ferocious guard

which is one of the better hammers for beo

[cerulean frigate]

and you can look at time remaining and remove 2-4 minutes per biome to get an idea of how it would've been at higher rank

[honest kernel]

I'd consider it one of the better hammers for shield period

[amber badger]

Tight Deadline was the first one I enabled cause all my runs are around 18m
So 28 minutes is actually pretty easy
Not sure when I'll pump it up to 3 though

[honest kernel]

Basically a Billowing Strength that had a child with Hermes

[cerulean frigate]

ferocious guard is only 20% additive damage globally

it's relevant but not gamebreaking

[honest kernel]

It being global is what makes it good

Especially for Casts, Like for Beo builds

[true fable]

yep

it is literally just billowing strength every time you block

[honest kernel]

And you'll want a good cast anyways with shield, since you are basically melee range unless you spam Chaos aspect bullrush'ed specials

[spring dune]

any good strat for 32heat? prob rama bow

[honest kernel]

Rama bow is cool for that

Could also try out Chiron as an alternate for bow

[spring dune]

i was playing chiron then moved for rama

[cerulean frigate]

rama and chiron are good picks for 32 if you already like the bow

[daring hedge]

twin shot and triple shot are your priority hammers, perfect and point blank right behind those. deadly strike is the best attack boon for it

hunter dash if you feel confident at 32 heat, divine dash if not

[cerulean frigate]

32 is still low enough that you could win with a special spam build if the deadline isn't super low

[daring hedge]

power shots are your friend for bosses and big enemies

[honest kernel]

You can then work on getting Aphrodite Special for Heart Rend

[true fable]

i think ferocious guard is just one of the best hammers on shield by default

[cerulean frigate]

on rama

[true fable]

what else are you gonna take, dashing flight?

[cerulean frigate]

but really dash-strike is the way to go for real damage

[honest kernel]

Depends on the aspect

Sudden Rush, Pulverizing Blow

Explosive Return is also kinda dope

[true fable]

do you like pulverizing on zeus?

[honest kernel]

YES

It's fantastic

[true fable]

explosive return is huge

[cerulean frigate]

yes, pulverizing is good on zues

[true fable]

i like sudden on chaos but not on beo at all

[spring dune]

and for the cond, any list to priority?

[true fable]

but it seems people are very divided for sudden rsuh beowulf

[cerulean frigate]

it means you aren't knocking enemies out of the blitz disc

[honest kernel]

^

That's huge for rooms

[true fable]

i did not consider that

[honest kernel]

Also the damage's great too for bosses

[true fable]

that is very smart

dashing wallop is A1 for beowufl

[honest kernel]

Extra armor damage on the Bull Rush is whatever

What else

[true fable]

unyielding memefense

[honest kernel]

Powershot on BullRush is meh unless you already have Sudden Rush

Charged Shot is weird

Charged Flight is omega abusable on Beo

[true fable]

i love charged shot but it is bad for some things

it's also bugged

so you're kind of gambling every cast

[cerulean frigate]

i think charged shot is perfectly fine on beowulf but you don't benefit from the zag aspect attack damage with it, it's kind of weird on chaos

[true fable]

charged shot is better than fine on beo

i think it's the best hammer if it gets fixed

[honest kernel]

^

[cerulean frigate]

you lose mobility

[honest kernel]

But your casts also become ranged

Also huge damage

Makes it insane for rooms

[true fable]

80 base is kind of gigantic

[honest kernel]

For Zeus shield I don't know what to make of it

It should be better for rooms, but it actually kinda makes bosses awkward

[cerulean frigate]

zues is too mobile to want it if you're managing the special properly

[honest kernel]

Since you don't zoom around as much to let the beyblade fly

[cerulean frigate]

especially with regards to spacing

[honest kernel]

Yeah

That, alongside say a stray Flood Shot or Trippy Shot

Which, BTW, I found to be VERY good additions to whatever I do in my Zeus aspect runs

[loud coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723559673004949564/778750700611698718/FairAndBalanced.mp4 Who let this be a thing

[honest kernel]

Don't give me PTSD of my Zag sword runs lmao

[north dove]

I haven't tried submitting anything but apparently speedruns.com doesn't accept runs that have hell mode on. Can anyone confirm that?

[mossy zinc]

@prime cairn could clarify the rules for 50 Heat if you mean that.

I think for any heat at least, Hell mode is against the rules.

Would be kinda dumb for high heat if Hell mode wasn't allowed lol.

[north dove]

Yeah, I'm not a speedrunner in any way but it would be nice to get on the leaderboards for 50 heat

[true fable]

i get it for anyheat but that would make no sense for high heat

also for 32 heat it feels like PL would be nice to have

but also no one other than me seems to care about 32 heat as a category lol

[daring hedge]

i'm sure jerds and other mods would be fine with hell mode active in terms of 50 heat

[sly remnant]

hey i play 32 @true fable

[daring hedge]

ahem excuse me

[true fable]

yay

[honest kernel]

lmao

[true fable]

there are 3 of us

[honest kernel]

I might consider meme shield zag speedruns at 32 heat

Bonk people as fast as I can

[daring hedge]

i kind of hate how my any heat PB is only 20 seconds faster than my 32 heat record

[honest kernel]

Ya hate to see it

[true fable]

time to grind anyheat? 👀

[sly remnant]

gods no

[honest kernel]

It's an RNG fest of Merciful End at this point

[cerulean frigate]

just get all 3 story rooms, 4 chaos gates and 2 sack every time

easy

[honest kernel]

If not that, Splash Dash

[daring hedge]

also half of the 32 list is eris

[tidal flame]

relatable, yeah, definitely relatable, right

[daring hedge]

i would like this to change

[true fable]

im trying to make it half beowulf

once they wade through my submissions

gonna try to submit a sub 10 time today

[cerulean frigate]

Tailesque, the change you seek may just be the board changing to 90% Eris

[sly remnant]

if my recording software hadn't frozen on a screen for 20 seconds you'd have another beowulf

[cerulean frigate]

[honest kernel]

I REALLY should record more of my runs lmao

That Sub 10 non-ME Zeus aspect I posted a while back was actually kinda sweet

[sly remnant]

but since my run crapped out i'm taking that as a sign that i'm not submitting to 32 until i get sub 10 on beo

[true fable]

@honest kernel you didnt record that? i think that wouldve been top 5 anyheat for zeus at least

[daring hedge]

i've had this happen before, i know this pain

[honest kernel]

I wish I did lol

[true fable]

my "software" doesnt freeze but i cant alt-tab while it's recording

by software i mean x box game bar

if chaos feels like giving me a cast stone anytime in the next 10 years i think sub 10 is doable

it just hasnt happened yet

[sly remnant]

duunk0 thinks 32 is just anyheat again and i don't agree with him at all

[daring hedge]

i'm amazed you got the 32 time you did without an extra cast tbh

[true fable]

duunk0 also probably has a better perspective of it since he has to review the submissions rn

[daring hedge]

what does he mean by that?

[true fable]

would be wild if we just saw like 200 submissions approved in the next week though lol

[sly remnant]

he thinks its basically the same category

[honest kernel]

Probably as far as the meta builds go

[tidal flame]

same strats probably

[honest kernel]

AKA Eris, Rama

And whatever else

[daring hedge]

yeah, disagree. similar strats but you can't be as reckless

[true fable]

i think it's similar in terms of strategy but yeah cant trade health for time

[honest kernel]

^ agree on that

[daring hedge]

also rama isn't dominating any heat at all what lol

[sly remnant]

i think its definitely a very different mechanical test

[loud coral]

God why does Asterius' charge do 72 damage with HL5

Can't even dodge it either

[honest kernel]

isn't it the fastest bow

[sly remnant]

nah hera still faster

[true fable]

decision making is also slightly different i think when it comes to trials/suicide

[honest kernel]

Hmm

[true fable]

hera is faster when everything goes right

[daring hedge]

hera

[honest kernel]

Makes sense

[true fable]

rama feels more consistent to me idk

[honest kernel]

watched too many races

[daring hedge]

haelian did some hera 32 speedruns as well i think

[true fable]

like the hera WR is with 5 dashes, thunder dash, double strike and the legendary lol

i know ello has one submitted

[daring hedge]

ah yeah

[sly remnant]

i just feel very in control when i am playing rama even though I am a very bad rama player

[daring hedge]

rama is more consistent than hera

but hera is arguably faster with the right setup

[loud coral]

Ok how do I dodge Asterius' charge on FO2? Seems impossible and Raging Rush doesn't seem like enough either

[true fable]

nyaanyaa says dash through him

so he has to 180

[sly remnant]

walls are normally my goto

[honest kernel]

^

[daring hedge]

go to a wall and dodge away from it last second

[gaunt fiber]

Lmao

[true fable]

i just block since im a beowulf one trick

[honest kernel]

I do a mix on both depending on where I am

[loud coral]

[true fable]

"just block lol"

[daring hedge]

i find that dashing through him at an open part of the arena is just bad news because he can do donuts forever until randomly homing in on you

[sly remnant]

i feel the same way tail

[daring hedge]

the tracking gets ridiculous

[loud coral]

Yeah right now if I get Asterius the run's basically over

[true fable]

oh especially when you are blocking and he hits you from the side

great stuff

[honest kernel]

If the 180 is likely to make him crash into a wall/pillar I go for it

Otherwise I dip to the nearest wall

And pull a matador

[gaunt fiber]

First room of Tartarus, chaos gate offered. I take it, I have now 4 hp. The only boon from chaos will hurt myself if I use special. I'm using Guan Yu.

[daring hedge]

hey it can't kill you

[sly remnant]

ROFL

[daring hedge]

sometimes i actually do those

[loud coral]

Gonna camp near walls then use Achilles to dash across the arena then

[sly remnant]

same

i can't tell you how many times chaos has said

you get +1 cast

[honest kernel]

@loud coral Hey I do that with Shield

[sly remnant]

but you hurt yourself every cast

[gaunt fiber]

oh you're right

The witch killed me but chaos did not

[daring hedge]

had a zag shield run with damage for every attack once. you can imagine how often the loud chaos sound played, constantly

[honest kernel]

oh lord

For reference : It would be about as bad as doing it on a Rail attack

if not worse

[true fable]

tbh -hp on cast is not as bad as -hp on attack for beowulf

[sly remnant]

correct bright

[true fable]

i'll do anything for a cast stone except -hp on attack

[sly remnant]

nah i'll still do it

just dont get hit

[true fable]

LOL

[honest kernel]

Go big or go home

That's the speedrun spirit

[true fable]

greed

[spring dune]

so far so good, got so many buffs on 1st stage

[loud coral]

[prime cairn]

Hell Mode is specifically not allowed in the rules, after a lot of discussion, since it's not a fair platform for non-hell mode players (which represents the majority). It's in the rules, def read these before putting effort into a submission.
If you want to submit 50 heat to the boards and only have a Hell Mode save, you can download the maxxed normal mode save file to use as the workaround. @north dove @daring hedge

[honest kernel]

Interesting

But also fair

[daring hedge]

ah, alright, didn't mean to speak for you earlier jerds

that makes sense

[prime cairn]

All good in the h00d

Now what I wanna know is, how are people going with 40 heat.

[true fable]

i got a beowulf off recording 😦

[prime cairn]

I just don't see many runs on the sheet yet that's all.

[daring hedge]

my 9m 40 heat is so lonely

[prime cairn]

I'm still interested to make it a category

[true fable]

want to submit 45 beo once i get it

[honest kernel]

wait 40 is a category

👀

[true fable]

is there any way that tailesque could also get edit access for the spreadsheet

[honest kernel]

ooh nvm

[daring hedge]

pending category!

[true fable]

having 40 as a category would be clutch

[tidal flame]

50 doesn't allow hell mode?

[honest kernel]

I'd be down

[true fable]

thered be some very interesting pacts i imagine

[cerulean frigate]

64 category with an empty board

[honest kernel]

40 heat was a level I felt capable of win-streaking

[loud coral]

Soon™️

[honest kernel]

So turning that into a speedrun could be dope

[prime cairn]

Prospective category, I'm still gauging interest. It's been discussed as the ideal heat level for the goal

[daring hedge]

nope. i'm guessing partly because of the imbalance in terms of how they get extra heat through PL, while regular file players don't have the luxury

[true fable]

would be nice as a category since you have to actually put thought into pacts that actually slow you down

[cerulean frigate]

the main issue with the 40-50 range is some aspects like arthur get dumpstered way harder than others do

[true fable]

you can do 32 with pacts that dont affect your speed at all

[honest kernel]

That extra 1 heat goes a long way in the 50+ range

[cerulean frigate]

32 is sort of a good playing field for all aspects

[daring hedge]

yeah, 32 is pretty easy to optimize for speed, while 50 basically doesn't let you do that at all

[true fable]

40 seems like a nice sweetspot

[daring hedge]

40 is an interesting middle ground

[honest kernel]

50 is basically survival first lmao

[true fable]

where you have to strategize

[cerulean frigate]

but 40 is the low end of that range obv

[prime cairn]

@honest kernel @true fable chuck some 40 heat on the sheet if you're keen!

And anyone else

[honest kernel]

I technically already have a 42 heat video up

[daring hedge]

the sheet is being a bit... slow to update lol

[true fable]

do we still tag krashercorr to get runs approved

[honest kernel]

But yeah, maybe at some point I'll do some more

at 40

[prime cairn]

You could definitely submit your current higher heat runs to the leaderboard

[honest kernel]

Already did the 50 heat one

It's pending right now

Don't plan on doing the 42 because I plan to optimize a bit better for speed, and it isn't verifiable anyways

Was the first run of the session and I didn't show a death prior

[true fable]

so submit the 40's for 32 heat and then wait until it's an actual category?

[mossy zinc]

Krashercorr is kind of MIA.

And a lot of people just don't even seem to bother submitting their 40s anyway with so many 50+ on the board now lol.

[honest kernel]

or, in my case, recording them

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[prime cairn]

Okay well sounds like if the 40h existed, folks would submit to it.

I'll just set it up later tonight then!

[true fable]

Thanks Jerds!

[mossy zinc]

Possibly. Doesn't hurt to have the option.

@daring hedge was gonna ask to be mod for the high heat spreadsheet to help verify runs, I think.

[loud coral]

Never picking up this game again, got the same savior skull room again but this time I didn't even have anything to deal with it

[mossy zinc]

You didn't have any weapon?

[gaunt fiber]

that's funny I died to exactly this 16 seconds ago

[mossy zinc]

That's indeed funny.

[loud coral]

Well I had a weapon but didn't have any good boons to handle it

[mossy zinc]

Can you tell us more?

[loud coral]

Just a Phalanx Shot

[honest kernel]

Achilles spear be like that sometimes

[loud coral]

Skulls were spawning hearts so fast I couldn't even use the normal attack

[mossy zinc]

No good boons, he says.

Boonless is the new meta. Haven't you heard?

[loud coral]

I wasn't running Shackle 😔

[true fable]

shackle may not help with the savior hearts

[mossy zinc]

Of course it will.

How dare you imply it doesn't. How rude to Sisyphus and Bouldy.

Make sure you take Shady for LC4, too, by the way.

[loud coral]

Do the hearts still work?

[mossy zinc]

What hearts?

[loud coral]

Just the healing I mean

[mossy zinc]

No.

[gaunt fiber]

of course it does

make your choice now

[loud coral]

I'll just keep my Antos for now

[mossy zinc]

But Bouldy will come to your aid.

[loud coral]

Guess I gotta take Shady then

[mossy zinc]

The moral support is huge.

It's basically a free ambiguity bonus.

[gaunt fiber]

I love RI.

[mossy zinc]

RI4?

[gaunt fiber]

Being able to reset a such speed is simply amazing.

RI2 for now

[loud coral]

Can't even commit to RI4 smh my head

[gaunt fiber]

I see no other way to achieve 50

I'm not an EM4 dude for now

[honest kernel]

So, on a scale of 1 to 10, how much do you hate AP

[loud coral]

Depends

Right now it's a 2

[tidal flame]

Shackle/10

[loud coral]

Gonna be a 12 very soon though

[honest kernel]

For me it's at 'least an 8

Just due to the frustration factor alone

[loud coral]

One hit away from Alecto dying and Overtime kills me

[true fable]

rama racers going for splitting headache

idgi isnt splitting headache generally inferior to heart rend

[honest kernel]

You get crits more often

Vs bigger crits

But yeah Heart Rend is usually better

[true fable]

4.5x on crit is probably more significant than a big PP right

[loud coral]

I mean 7.5% crit chance on 5 stacks hangover is worse than +150% crit damage

[mossy zinc]

You need to factor in Hangover damage, too.

[true fable]

the only thing i could see is that it lets hangover crit tooo

that's true

[honest kernel]

I'd say critting more often has it's value in rooms

[true fable]

i just dont see how it's more fat than meaty heart rend crits

[loud coral]

If you have a reliable crit then Heart Rend

Stuff like True Shot is where I would take SH though

[honest kernel]

But it could just be that getting one or the other faster might be what's more important

Not seeing Aphrodite untill you equip the keepsake vs seeing Dio right away

[true fable]

that's true

[mossy zinc]

You also don't gain anything from higher crit damage if your crits kill either way.

[true fable]

right

overkilling doesnt do anything

[loud coral]

Good for bosses though I guess

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/ywq5CRq

[honest kernel]

Doesn't Rama destroy bosses anyways

[gaunt fiber]

This is the run

cya guys

have fun stuck in 40 heat

[true fable]

rama does destroy bosses anyway

[honest kernel]

Zeus aspect ?

Pog

[loud coral]

Dies to a numbskull

[true fable]

i think GY right?

[gaunt fiber]

GY it is

[honest kernel]

oooo

Good luck

[true fable]

i wish there was more info on damage breakpoints for that sort of stuff

[tidal flame]

Bye Astaos

[true fable]

but i guess there's just too many factors in play

[gaunt fiber]

I will die indeed

charged Skewer is the answer not epic flourish

[mossy zinc]

Skill is the answer.

Skill and Charged Skewer.

[honest kernel]

Skill or RNG ? Both. Both is good

[true fable]

i'd take rng over skill tbh LOL

give me a cast stone

[honest kernel]

You play Beo, that'd make sense lmao

[true fable]

is it better to get a cast stone and choke it away or never get a cast stone at all

[mossy zinc]

It is 10% luck, 20% skill, 15% concentrated power of will, 5% pleasure, 50% Charged Skewer, and a 100% reason to remember the name.

[gaunt fiber]

It was a honor to have met you all

https://imgur.com/1QVWzpc

[honest kernel]

oh no

[sly remnant]

LMFAO

[honest kernel]

The curse lives on

[loud coral]

You can't escape the Savior Skulls no matter what you do

[mossy zinc]

I think people usually complain way too much about them lol.

[true fable]

GG LOL

[hollow lynx]

lmao

savior skulls, harder than em4

[mossy zinc]

But Slugger Savior is really bad.

[gaunt fiber]

You know what

[loud coral]

Fun fact: Amir personally coded the game to only spawn savior skulls on "good" runs

[honest kernel]

And with Guan-Yu especially

[gaunt fiber]

I got 2 epic boons, I could pom my deadly flourish. Then this happened. Is it karma ?

[honest kernel]

In my shield runs I'd love that, you do a billion hits anyways

[hollow lynx]

fun fact: they're called numbskulls bc they make your brain cells disappear

[honest kernel]

It's the game making you believe there is still hope remaining left in the heckhole that is Guan-Yu high heat

[gaunt fiber]

I was blessed, loved by the gods

[tidal flame]

That moment when you thought you are Zagreus but you are actually Theseus.

[honest kernel]

Begone, I say!

[gaunt fiber]

https://imgur.com/nr1i4AQ

[honest kernel]

oh boi

[gaunt fiber]

Dude

[honest kernel]

Time to get cloner speeders

[cerulean frigate]

don't die

[gaunt fiber]

the game wants to torture me

[honest kernel]

You were blessed just a moment ago?

Blessed, then Cursed

Now Blessed again

[gaunt fiber]

I am still blessed

[honest kernel]

Hoo boy

[loud coral]

Speeder Cloner witches in 5

[tidal flame]

4

[honest kernel]

3

[gaunt fiber]

nope

[honest kernel]

Thankfully

[gaunt fiber]

Because I got hunter dash

balance in all things

[tidal flame]

does this mean that the bad RNG is pouring in?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah

I did not get my flourish so the skulls left me alone

[rain sedge]

what are you trying now guan yu boi

[loud coral]

Ok I'm doing Hades aspect now

Achilles is

[gaunt fiber]

Yup I'm getting burned to a crisp in asphodel right now

[loud coral]

[rain sedge]

what's the challenge? or just casual run

[gaunt fiber]

hm

50 heat seems decent of a challenge to you ?

[loud coral]

Wow what a casual smh my head

[rain sedge]

yeah I've given up on that

50 heat eris requires some EM4 or AP and RI

and I'm not prepared for that

[mossy zinc]

AP2 Eris seems fine tbh.

[gaunt fiber]

You can prepare for it

[loud coral]

Running Hades, Charged Skewer or Exploding Launcher?

[gaunt fiber]

oops, wave maker got the better of me

[loud coral]

feelsbadman

25 health is like 5 ticks of lava actually

damn

[gaunt fiber]

simply too tired

25 healh is also one spike trap

One belly slam

25 health is actually 1 health

[loud coral]

Just slap a band-aid on, should be enough to get by

[gaunt fiber]

where do you get that ?

My shops are only junk food

[loud coral]

Just ask Hypnos, he has a whole stash

Yeah Hades feels so much better than Achilles damn

[gaunt fiber]

I would like to draw your attention on a suspicious phenomena that occured twice here today.

I reacted with emojis to a message here, and they got deleted

Then someone reacted to another one, and it was gone in the blink of an eye

We're not alone.

[daring hedge]

late response but exploding 100%

[loud coral]

Tried it, felt amazing but ultimately died to Meg

Gonna alternate between Hades and Achilles more though, both seem powerful but I think I just need to work on dodges

[true fable]

thought on an AP rework

it just covers up 1 option per level

when you pick your option it shows you what you missed

more or less painful?

[gaunt fiber]

I don't get to make many choice before dying, so ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[twilit orbit]

what do you do when you want to play more hades but your hands hurt too much :((((

[tidal flame]

Go to the hand store and buy new hands.

[twilit orbit]

perfect

[gaunt fiber]

They don't have my size

[sly remnant]

5 SACKEC

ARE YOU KIDDING ME GAME

AT 45 HEAT

i still got to phase 3

but i couldn't play safe because i had to go so ham

man

i'm done with this game for the night

[true fable]

i feel that

i just entered styx at 6:56

left at 10:31

5 sack mentality

[cinder cave]

how much gold would you spend at a well

to force sack at the end of the tunnel

save you all that td3 grief

[true fable]

tbh all of t

[tidal flame]

new item: 99 gold, adds 30 seconds to your TD clock.

exclusive in Styx

[sly remnant]

one i mean i'm not gonna buy it

[ripe crane]

Y'all ever have a good run, and then somehow your mistake ends the run instead of [bs thing the game did]?

[true fable]

going fast has me in the "styx shop is worthless" mindset

all the time

[sly remnant]

i don't expect to get 5 sack

[true fable]

i also dont expect to die but you best believe im buying that touch of styx if im on a pb

[rain sedge]

5 sack is around 1 in 625 chance

Which kinda lines up with the number of runs I had

[ocean ether]

Tfw you wipe at 1% EM4 dad because you dash into a pot like a moron

[amber badger]

Did I get two easy runs or is Extreme Measures Lernie kinda easier than the regular one?
You can AoE the crap out of the heads during add phase

[true fable]

depends on pacts but can be

ive found that EM2 blue lernie can be a real pain with HL5 and HS but i also just dont have the self control to stop bull rushing in while he's headbanging

[spring kettle]

The lava is the real danger in EM lernie

I feel like I find the non EM fury sisters really easy but EM Alecto takes a death defiance from me, it’s so hard to dodge her beyblades while dealing with the smoke from tisiphone

[true fable]

losing a DD to alecto? we've all been there

you're not gaming if you dont lose a DD to alecto or lernie

[ocean ether]

EM2 Lernie slams are quite dangerous and can catch you off guard, but generally speaking his EM version is seen easier because it's faster.

Of course there's the lava too as mentioned before, which is a nightmare

[unreal pasture]

If you have EM2 + Heightened Security...

It can be pretty not enjoyable

[loud coral]

The magma from BP doesn't count with HS right?

[unreal pasture]

I think it does...

I could be wrong though

[amber badger]

I managed to clear a heat 8 and a heat 10 run so I thought to myself "hey, heat 16 can't be THAT bad, I should try it"
I was wrong

[cedar thistle]

it isn't that bad with the right pacts

16 shouldn't be too much harder than 10

[amber badger]

It shouldn't have been that hard but the 40% damage and more enemies beat me up a bit

[loud coral]

I am PISSED

3 hits away from 45 heat and dad stunlocks me

[tidal flame]

my condolences

[twilit orbit]

if only you had UNSHAKABLE METTLE

the best duo boon in the world

[north dust]

If I go up one heat level with a weapon, and i havent cleared with that heat level, do I lose the possibility of getting the reward from that heat? IE will If i haven't cleared heat level 1 with a weapon and i make it heat 2, are my rewards from heat level 1 lost?

[edgy arrow]

if you clear at heat 2 without having cleared heat 1 you get rewards you would have got from clearing heat 1

[cedar thistle]

you get the heat level 1 reward even if you do more than lvl 1 heat

[edgy arrow]

^

so no, you don’t miss out on anything

[cedar thistle]

which is sometimes easier. like em2 is often easier than em1 + something

[edgy arrow]

it does make getting the exact same rewards harder for no additional benefit, but making things hard for no reason is exactly what this channel is all about!

[north dust]

so like clearing out heat 5 when I only cleared out heat 1, will get me 4 (x4) rewards?

[cedar thistle]

nono. you simply just get heat 1 rewards

and your next heat level to clear will be "at least 2"

[north dust]

https://imgur.com/a/AXORchK

so if i make that heat two and i clear I will get an item from each area, and two from styx?

[misty hamlet]

basically, you will get one set of rewards each time you clear

[cedar thistle]

no no. you're still at heat level 1.

[misty hamlet]

if you win at heat 5, you'll get your styx reward,

if you win at heat 5 again, you'll get your heat 2 rewards

[daring hedge]

no, you need to clear and obtain the whole bounty set before you can get the next heat tier

[misty hamlet]

if you win at heat 5 again, you'll get your heat 3 rewards

[north dust]

AH

[misty hamlet]

if you win at heat 5 again, you'll get heat 4 rewards, etc.

[spring kettle]

So you can’t farm titan blood from the furies endlessly

[north dust]

okay got it Wobbles so there no reason to go another heat up, except from fun

[cedar thistle]

To rephase it.
The heat level indicates the minimum heat you need to do to get the rewards.
Each time you claim the whole set of rewards, the heat level increases by 1.

[north dust]

OH

So it doesn't matter, with that reward whether I'm on heat 2 or 25 with that heat, I will only get the last reward from styx

[misty hamlet]

correct

[north dust]

thanks!

[misty hamlet]

and then if you play again, it will pretend, for rewards sake, you're at 3 heat

and so on and so on

[north dust]

so no reason to play at above your current heat level except for fun (and I guess quests)

thanks for the clarification 😛

[misty hamlet]

you got it

[cedar thistle]

higher heats is sometimes easier like i mentioned before.

[north dust]

why would higher heats be easier?

[cedar thistle]

like em2 gives 2 points

and is easier than. something like HL1 which is 1 point

[misty hamlet]

depends on your arrangement

[north dust]

ah yea I figured yes depending on what which condition you choose could be easier even if it was a higher heat level

[misty hamlet]

and also playstyle and weapon and things like that

[north dust]

for example even tho EM is only heat 1 (for the first level), I assumed Tight deadline would be worse for me personnaly

makes sense

[misty hamlet]

Heightened Security is probably the worst thing you can take for a single heat

[north dust]

yea could see that, I suck at magma lol

thank gods for ||than trinket||

[misty hamlet]

and depending on the weapon, damage control is either a nightmare or a joke

[north dust]

yea, im a bit of a spammer/dasher so thats ussualy not an issue condition for me

[misty hamlet]

sooooo yeah. best of luck with your heat climb and your unlocks 🙂

we are here to cheer you on

[north dust]

not thats saying much when im only on heat 1-2 on some XD, ||final boss|| is my downfall 99% of the time

and poison <<

[misty hamlet]

hey the beauty of the pact is that it lets you put the game at the most fulfilling difficulty for you in the most interesting way

[north dust]

true

[misty hamlet]

so people at 2 heat or 50 heat get to have the best challenge they can

[north dust]

I love the game for that, hate rougelikes and this style of combat mostly but hades is so polished its awesome 🙂

[true fable]

has anyone tried a high dodge gilga build with ruthless reflex?

[mossy zinc]

Probably.

Problem with Ruthless for Dodge is it requires you to i-frame an attack.

And it only lasts for 2 seconds. So you need to i-frame an attack every 2+ seconds.

[true fable]

that is quite a tight window

[unreal pasture]

I've been trying it, but I can't get past the heroes on heat 35-40 consistently on Gilga... but I was on heroes at like 10 minutes in that heat... so there is some potential there

I've only tried like 10-15 runs on it, though... in that heat

[vagrant coyote]

So what you guys take for chirion special, artemis or dionisos?

also, is rama straight better for high heat?

[edgy arrow]

rama is probably better, but i’m not sure the difference is noticeable until you get to like 45+ heat

chiron is also way easier to learn lol

[true fable]

yeah depends on what you mean by high heat

all weapons seem to be viable up until 50 ish tbh right now

chiron is very good

[edgy arrow]

dio and arty special are both top tier builds on chiron tbh

well

all weapons are possible up to 50, but some are a lot easier to get there than others lol

but chiron isn’t one of the ones that struggles

(unless you’re me, then all the weapons struggle past 32 lol)

[vagrant coyote]

dio chiron seems super safe

[edgy arrow]

chiron can be pretty safe either way

the trade off is that dio is much worse at bosses and CP hits it harder, but it can deal with JS which otherwise can be a big problem for chiron

[mossy zinc]

It's no worse against Lernie or Theseus and Asterius, really.

Because you have so many targets that you can hit.

[edgy arrow]

fair

[bright crescent]

new heat record for me

41

merciful end op op

[gaunt fiber]

Take this.

[bright crescent]

what

[gaunt fiber]

Don't like it ?

[bright crescent]

ah

yeah i like it

[steady dagger]

Whats the highest possible heat level?

[cedar thistle]

possible. like possible to do? or

[steady dagger]

like at all, if you max everything

[gaunt fiber]

63

[steady dagger]

woah

[gaunt fiber]

64 in hell mode

[steady dagger]

I bet someone has done it

[gaunt fiber]

no

[steady dagger]

I bet someone will eventually

[gaunt fiber]

Unlikely in unseeded category

[bright crescent]

50’s 1.0 wr i think

[gaunt fiber]

but there must be a way

[steady dagger]

People have done crazier

[bright crescent]

from what ive heard (aka discussed with literally one person in this channel) a big problem is just straight up damage output

youre facing 60% more enemies with like 40% more health with all your mirror upgrades removed

on a 5 minute timer

well, 20 minute timer

[sly remnant]

I legitimately think only 2 weapons in the emtire game could do it

[bright crescent]

but tartarus has the worst td timer

if u dont deadline in tartarus youre mostly set throughout the game i feel

[steady dagger]

For me (0 heat lmao) Elysium is the make or break zone

Styx is kinda easier tbh

Theres also the megagorgon/crusher miniboss in lavaland, and the hydra occasionally gets me

[bright crescent]

elysium is harder but tartarus is where your deadline will kill you

[steady dagger]

Yeah that timer seems brutal

[bright crescent]

its mostly because asphodel is so short

so you can make a lot of time for elysium there

[steady dagger]

ya know yeah, asphodel is kinda short

[bright crescent]

and styx

[steady dagger]

Huh, never really noticed

[bright crescent]

although asphodel you can waste time sometimes

just on stubborn defiances

[ripe crane]

I think 56 is highest heat completed currently

At least 55 per the pinned spreadsheet, but I thought 56 was done but not updated yet

[bright crescent]

oh huh

nice to know that i couldve technically made it onto that spreadsheet

no video though because my computer is garbage

sources dude just trust me

[crystal scroll]

I randomly beat 16 heat first try with Chiron Bow, and have no idea how to do it with any other weapons. Hell mode btw

[rain sedge]

Tail did 56 with rama

I think the spreadsheet is super outdated too

I mean some psychos here did 45 boonless this week

[cinder cave]

hey that's not nice to them

they're not psychos

just nutters

[steady dagger]

What classifies as "high" heat?

[bright crescent]

thc concentration

30ish or above is what i consider

[gaunt fiber]

Dying in tartarus is a reliable symptom

[bright crescent]

if normal encounters are more of a threat to u than the bosses

thats high heat

[cedar thistle]

i always thought 32, since that's where the useless trinket is*.

[misty hamlet]

I like reading people’s opinion’s on what aspects are good/bad etc when they haven’t experienced high heat play

Ex: “Lucifer is fun but it’s not gonna get you past 32”

[gaunt fiber]

well

you should read #h1-builds-and-combat

it's anti spear land

[misty hamlet]

“Bonus damage to armor is a meme, ignore it”

Spear is pretty tough though, I’ll give them that

[steady dagger]

Spear is good tho

[misty hamlet]

It is good! But tough

[steady dagger]

Its probably the weapon I am most comfortable with

[misty hamlet]

It’s a lot of fun 🙂

[bright crescent]

oh hey its a semi famous person

im not great with spear

probably my least favourite weapon

[ripe crane]

Right side weapons only gang

[sly remnant]

Beo isn't on the right side

[edgy arrow]

beo only gang

[sly remnant]

for the 40 heat speedruns.....do you use EM4 with beo? it feels like everything else will slow you down too much

[ripe crane]

You can do EM3 TD2 at 40

[sly remnant]

right but then you'll be taking things that will slow you down a lot

this is for speedrun purposes

[ripe crane]

Ah

[sly remnant]

i don't think every weapon will want EM4 for 40 heat speedruns...but i can't imagine beo saving time anywhere else that would make it worth it

[bright crescent]

tangentially related

i hate em4

honestly

[misty hamlet]

That power vanquished the titans

It is the only power worth conquering

Fun fact, the titans stepped on green Soul Legos in the dark that did 150 damage because they were too proud to take Sure Footing

It proved to be their downfall

[bright crescent]

nah its not vases

its just how long the fight is

always slip up at the last second

doesnt help that doomstone and sneak are both pretty awful to fight since doomstone can soak your acorn real fast and sneak is

sneak

[misty hamlet]

Yeah

[twilit orbit]

the main issue with EM4 is that the fight is just super long and your DD doesnt refresh

[misty hamlet]

I don’t use acorn for EM4 because of phase 1

[twilit orbit]

you can make a lot less mistakes simply because of how long the fight is

[bright crescent]

ive never beat em4

[twilit orbit]

its perfectly doable in lower heat

[bright crescent]

although that mught have something to do with me never challenging it except on big heats

cough cough

[misty hamlet]

It took me a lot of practice

[twilit orbit]

HL/FO/HS/TD stack poorly with it

[bright crescent]

just wobble hades

[misty hamlet]

4Head

[bright crescent]

4head

td aint so bad

new td at least

[twilit orbit]

TD3 is really bad with EM4

since the hades fight is really really long

[bright crescent]

i mean its not just the extra phase

its the spear throw

[twilit orbit]

if you're not on a really good pace or get screwed by sack rng you're really likely to just die to a timeout in the end of the fight

[bright crescent]

the amount of mobility he gets from that like

doubles his healthbar

it suuucks

im not like a frame data nerd or anything but i think i legit need the frame data on the vases

ive only lost a couple runs to them but one of them i stepped on a vase like a full second after breaking and still got hit

[rain sedge]

The fact that doomstone can disappear and sneak exist is what makes it hard

If their hit doesn't take the acorn but charge it might be fine but yea

[vagrant coyote]

Did someone completed the max heat? 64?

would love to see it 😄

[loud coral]

Nope, gonna be a long time before it happens

[formal gust]

maybe routed

[loud coral]

Seeded TAS might be possible but human unseeded isn't gonna happen for a while

[formal gust]

I think tas is impossible even routed

enemies do different things, unless it can somehow manipulate every single thing

which may be possible

but not sure

[loud coral]

Just kill every enemy and boss before they attack

Easy

If TAS gets Asterius solo then the run's basically over though

[formal gust]

so it's technically possible to manipulate enemy options with a tas

but sometimes different enemies spawn

and it's unknown how to deal with that

[twilit orbit]

you would need the game to be deterministic

which it could be, but who knows

routed 64 should be possible if your play is near TAS levels though

you need to not get hit and RNG into a lot of damage early, basically

unseeded is probably super unlikely even if your play is near TAS levels

[honest kernel]

Not likely with AP2 and TD3 in the way alongside evrything else

[tidal flame]

How do you even set up TAS for a roguelike though

[honest kernel]

The same you would for a game like, say Pokemon

Plan a possible route, and mold the actions to fit it. Assuming the room spawns are deterministic in some way, it shouldn't be an issue

Question is, who would want to work on that

That also knows how to do TAS stuff

[tidal flame]

So you still need to route a run

[twilit orbit]

you need a way to control the seed for everything basically

and then plan a run out

for example, you can theorize that you need to start with two specific boons/hammers

and then you write a script to search for a seed like that

and then go plan out the run from there by "playing" through it as the TAS

[tidal flame]

Yeah, makes sense. Somehow I was thinking of an AI that can do runs but with perfect execution. But that's not what TAS is.

[twilit orbit]

TAS basically just removes the barrier of execution

the strategies still have to be human developed

thats why the TAS records for things can also be broken, you just need to optimize the existing strat or come up with a faster one

[tidal flame]

Yeah makes sense. Thanks.

[mossy cape]

Where can I find some basic high-heat tips? Trying to go 32, unsuccessful so far

[sly remnant]

are you looking for a generic pact/weapon setup or?

[mossy cape]

Yeah, including that. Something general rather than details

[sly remnant]

who has that suggested 32 attempt message saved

i wanna say bright but i don't remember

what weapons are you comfortable with @mossy cape ?

[mossy cape]

@sly remnant pretty much all of them. 4th aspect blade is my favourite

[loud coral]

I think I can nab what I used for 32 arthur

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760641730025357343/779077308492546068/unknown.png Here's what I used, can def removed DC1 and put it somewhere else though

[rain sedge]

yea I got you

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

@mossy cape there you go

I mean idk if arthur is the "easiest" 32 though...

unless you wanna stack damage reduction

folks, soon I won't be spamming this channel with yall anymore

I just bought a new gaming PC with 3080 in it

Can play other games

[sly remnant]

i'm not arthur expert. i'm the wrong person to ask.

I would not recommend spear unless you are insanely comfortable with it. basically any aspect other than zag works here.

for shield i recommend beowulf. you'll have a lot of fun but if you do trippy shot build its a little high-rolly. aphro cast probably more reliable.

for bow i recommend rama or hera.

for fists i recommend demeter

for gun eris.

I would go some combination of EM3 TD2 HL3 DC1 MM BP1 UC

then add pacts as you are comfortable with until 32

[true fable]

@rain sedge you can play other games

the question is

do you want to

[rain sedge]

"rama or hera on bow"

what

tyler cmon

chiron is free

[mossy cape]

@loud coral oh, so basically you backstab them to kingdom come lol

[sly remnant]

i haven't played chiron in ages

[rain sedge]

yea real talk though, I thought I wouldn't touch hades again after valhalla came out

but it has been... disappointing

[sly remnant]

maybe chiron is still good

[mossy zinc]

Chiron is way easier than Hera or Rama.

[sly remnant]

is hera difficult?

[misty hamlet]

I got my Chiron 45 clear first try

[mossy zinc]

Rama is stronger, but it takes more practice to get there.

[misty hamlet]

Only weapon I did that with

It just does so much work for you and it hits like a truck

[true fable]

hera can be quite difficult imo

[sly remnant]

i agree rama is harder to play, but hera ain't exactly rocket science

[true fable]

just depedns on what rooms you get

[mossy zinc]

Hera also relies on casts, so you need to know how to build and can get unlucky.

[sly remnant]

i mean i guess hera was the first weapon i simped for so i was comfortable with it pretty fast

[misty hamlet]

My Hera attempts took forever 😦

[true fable]

yeah i think hera needs early aoe

[mossy zinc]

Chiron is just a way easier build and you don't even need to aim lol.

[mossy cape]

thx, I'll check it out

[true fable]

chiron you just tag things from 2 miles away and mash your face on the special button

[sly remnant]

i just never played much chiron because i thiought it was boring

[rain sedge]

wow nya supported me

[sly remnant]

so i never felt comfortable with it

[rain sedge]

@misty hamlet can you send me the pact setup pls

and maybe the build

I've been trying that, but TD3 got me every time

[misty hamlet]

That I did for Chiron?

[rain sedge]

it's much slower than I wanted... and adding extra JS hurts

yes please sir

[rain sedge]

it is boring

[misty hamlet]

Sure, file is on my computer though and I’m on my phone

[mossy zinc]

I really like Chiron. It's fun.

[rain sedge]

even though it's my second fav weapon

[rain sedge]

no rush, thanks ❤️

would be nice to get a second 45

[true fable]

you ended up doing stygian ice wine hera right

[misty hamlet]

👍

[mossy zinc]

I wanted Chiron to be good for so long in Early Access, and it was just so bad lol.

It's fun that it's actually good now.

[misty hamlet]

Me? I did something weird

For Hera 45

[true fable]

yeah

[misty hamlet]

It took a long time, the cast weapons are not my strong suit

[true fable]

fair enough

[misty hamlet]

I’ll link that one with my Chiron later as well

[true fable]

cast weapons are all i do except for eris lol

[mossy zinc]

So somebody was asking for 32 Excalibur strats? This was my build and pact setup. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/776420341404139550/Hades_1144.png?width=823&height=463

Worked really well.

[true fable]

gotta highlight the parting shot

[mossy zinc]

Of course.

[sly remnant]

No heightened security on excal?

[mossy zinc]

No, it doesn't work on the traps that actually bother me lol.

[sly remnant]

Ah. Makes sense

[mossy zinc]

Parting Shot is great.

+35% Backstab Damage when you have no mirror is great.

[true fable]

that backstab is only for your cast though

still great?

[mossy zinc]

I'm very sure it's universal.

[rain sedge]

what do you mean? doesn't it work for all traps?

I havent used excalibur in so long

[mossy zinc]

No, it only works on magma and platform traps.

[rain sedge]

what other traps are there?

[honest kernel]

Elysium arrows

Explosives

[rain sedge]

doesn't the arrows get slowed down

[honest kernel]

They do

[true fable]

ive tested it

[honest kernel]

But they don't nullify them completely

[true fable]

parting shot +35% only applies to cast

[honest kernel]

Also urns lol

And guillotines

[true fable]

normal backstabs get +50 from mirror otherwise whatever else you have

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's what I said.

[true fable]

LOL

theres some duos that need some love

[daring hedge]

it also works on the saw blade launchers in styx if hallowed ground is placed at the source

[mossy cape]

So athena and aphro are the trend here

[mossy zinc]

Oh yeah, I always forget it does then remember when it happens.

Then forget again for the next time.

I don't really play Excalibur much lol.

[true fable]

athena aphro artemis and zeus are the only gods im always happy to see

everyone else is conditional

i guess that's half of olympus

[mossy zinc]

What about Lady Nourishing Soul?

[mossy cape]

I heard a lot about zeus being weak. They fixed it?

[mossy zinc]

What's weak?

[rain sedge]

what

oh. if you are talking about the shield, it's kinda hard to use

about the god, it's absolutely not weak

[mossy cape]

Well, doesn't have enough damage, something like that. Saw couple of times here

[true fable]

people also kind of just say whatever they want on here lol

zeus is very very far from weak

[mossy zinc]

Maybe you were missing context.

[honest kernel]

^

Likely that

[mossy zinc]

E.g., Thunder Flourish on Chiron is awful.

[rain sedge]

@true fable remind me the beo build again? dio case, high roll for extra stone, that's it?

[true fable]

dio cast high roll for cast stone

[mossy zinc]

Trippy Flare or Passion Flare for Beowulf.

[true fable]

try to get artemis/poseidon in your pool

[mossy zinc]

Both those casts are great.

[true fable]

pick up zeus/athena depending on how confident you're feeling

passion flare is probably more consistent but im less of an infernal beo player

[rain sedge]

I got the stone, but forgot to use dio keepsake

lmfao

[true fable]

to my knowledge infernal beo is passion flare start and then use frostbitten horn to force snow burst/rav will

zeus and artemis still good

[rain sedge]

I got his boon from shop anyway lmfao

I'm so lucky

zeus for what?

[mossy zinc]

I'd take Thunder Signet in Asphodel for Smoldering Air at high heat.

Screw taking Frostbitten Horn lol.

I don't want your food, grandma. Go away.

[rain sedge]

so zeus just for smoldering air?

[mossy zinc]

If you run Passion Flare, yes.

[true fable]

are you running stygian or infernal

[mossy zinc]

Smoldering Air is amazing.

[rain sedge]

infernal, with dio

uh wait the one with reload time

[true fable]

LOL

oh ok

[rain sedge]

did I get it wrong

[true fable]

yeah usually i go thunder dash

no that's good

thunder dash or flourish is fine

tidal dash or flourish is fine

you really just want artemis on attack

[loud coral]

God I hate that Athena's call doesn't ignore Overtime

[true fable]

that ones less flexible

does the full call not?

i thought it did

[loud coral]

It doesn't

[mossy zinc]

Regenerating bloodstones is Stygian Soul btw. Infernal is 3 ammo.

[rain sedge]

ah I see, my bad

so the rest of the boon is just to make up for when you don't have bloodstone

[loud coral]

Thought I was gonna save myself 90 health with that call but guess not

[rain sedge]

I think I get it

[mossy zinc]

Divine Protection evades TD damage.

[true fable]

bablo got lightning rod in his wr but i dont think that was a conscious aim

for passion flare beo

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, it was all Lady Aphrodite's boons.

The other boons just also happened to be there.

[true fable]

LOL

[rain sedge]

does mirage shot work with this or no?

and should I aim for that

[true fable]

yes 100%

[mossy zinc]

Yes and yes.

[true fable]

mirage shot and scint feast are your two duos

for stygian beo

avoid grandma like the plague

[rain sedge]

what's scin feast

[mossy zinc]

And Fully Loaded.

[true fable]

scintillating feast

the zeus/dio duo boon

[rain sedge]

I am primed for artemis legendary out of tartarus

ooooohh

ah yeah now it makes sense

[true fable]

tbh i take hunter's mark before either pressure points or support fire

but that's me

[rain sedge]

ok I gotta choose between poseidon and zeus on ashpodel now

[true fable]

poseidon/artemis always takes priority over anything else

[mossy zinc]

Pressure Points is t1, though.

Fastest route to Fully Loaded is through Pressure Points.

[true fable]

i mean the only route to fully loaded is through PP if you run beo

the problem with going for mirage, hunter's mark and fully loaded on beowulf

is that's what

one artemis for attack, one each for hunter's mark, PP, and support fire

and then another for the legendary

maybe one more for mirage too

asking a lot of lady artemis

[rain sedge]

okay... soooo

-4 HP for every cast, but get +1 cast after that

I'd take that, right

[mossy zinc]

Sure.

[true fable]

yes

the only one i dont take is +foes if it's over like 40-50%

[mossy zinc]

Damage on cast is not too bad with Trippy Flare.

And SD lets you get back to 30% either way.

[true fable]

you can also kind of avoid casting in tartarus depending on heat

[rain sedge]

yea I got arty special and the hammer that gives +4 special target

[true fable]

i actually never special on beowufl

might be controversial

[mossy zinc]

Without Charged Flight and early poms on your Special, it doesn't do very much anyway.

[true fable]

^

[rain sedge]

rolled 3x, no mirage shot or fully loaded 😦

[true fable]

sad

are you using legacy?

[rain sedge]

no, forgot to change that

[mossy zinc]

It's good in Tartarus still and then falls off more and more.

[rain sedge]

this was supposed to be a casual gem farming run

[mossy zinc]

I think Dread Flight is like in bottom tier for hammer upgrades overall.

[true fable]

dread flight is also sort of bugged

[prisma pebble]

is 32 heat considered high

[mossy zinc]

I'd say it's the low end of high heat, but sure.

[prisma pebble]

ah ok

thanks

[true fable]

it's high if you think it's high

[mossy zinc]

It's probably better to ask for help with 32 here than in #h1-builds-and-combat.

[true fable]

[prisma pebble]

i just got my first 32 heat w

[true fable]

congrats

[tidal flame]

nice!!

[mossy zinc]

Nice. Congratulations!

[prisma pebble]

was considering going up in heats or just staying at this heat

thanks

[true fable]

now get 6x32

[tidal flame]

yeah, I would do 6x32

[prisma pebble]

i completely destroyed hades tbh