h1-high-heat-strategies

[dusty flint]

just one more game

[tidal night]

true

it's so hard to not want to start another

but i'm too tired to keep playing

[dusty flint]

mood

[gaunt fiber]

Phew

Talking to anyone is dangerous nowadays

[dusty flint]

Fixed it xD

[gaunt fiber]

Thanks Bruder

[dusty flint]

you're talking to a rock

Gn

[gaunt fiber]

Gn

[ripe crane]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/778440083929956372/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670 Sooooooo close to completely choking this one

[loud coral]

Just had to flex the 2:39 left over with Hestia 😔

[ripe crane]

Entered dad fight with like 6:30 left, feels like I could've beaten EM3 faster than that lol. I am still shaking. I have nerves of glass. Hazard bomb is kinda sick, ngl.

[cerulean frigate]

it's nice when you don't have to worry about the eris buff

the worst part about it isn't really the self damage, it's that it stuns you

[rain sedge]

What is that even

45 boonless Hestia

That might be the most impressive thing in this channel so far

[edgy arrow]

that is absolutely insane

[rain sedge]

Also, does ricochet fire her the bonus damage too?

[edgy arrow]

from hestia? yeah it does

[daring hedge]

i've been working on 45 boonless hades aspect but like ten runs have ended at dad fight

[rain sedge]

I mean we've seen some ridiculously weird stuff from retrash recently and and ri4 flex from nya, but this is something else

[edgy arrow]

y’all are all crazy and i love it

i honestly just hang out here to see what seemingly impossible feat someone will accomplish next

[cinder cave]

that is a pretty insane feat

well played

[ripe crane]

Thanks y'all 😄

Gonna be more impressive when Tail/Retrash come in with their 45 boonless melee weapons

[honest kernel]

Just when I thought I was getting somewhere, these kind of runs get done

WELP

Back to the drawing board

Good stuff Crepes

[rain sedge]

This run is also RNG free btw

[ripe crane]

Back to the Nægling Board more like it

[rain sedge]

There's not even an argument of "yeah but you got lucky with boons"

[ripe crane]

Heh, a lot of runs die to RNG actually. If you get an attack or dash you basically have to reset

[rain sedge]

My head hurts, it took 5 divine dashes to carry me for 45, and that's with Eris

[ripe crane]

I got extra dashes from Hermes and had to limit myself to one dash at a time so I didn't accidentally use 3

[honest kernel]

Also I wager some BP rooms could be real trouble with hestia boonless

[rain sedge]

And this kind of thing happens

[loud coral]

I can't even beat 45 yet 😔 that's insane though, mad props

[crystal iron]

Also I wager some BP rooms could be real trouble with hestia boonless
when I did my 32 heat run with Hestia, I had no attack boon until the end of Styx (because AP), it was still doing fine.

I had BP2, JS3 and CP2 btw

[honest kernel]

Did you have FO2/TD3 ?

[crystal iron]

nope

[honest kernel]

FO2 is what can make these BP rooms a nightmare

Get a bunch of speeder cloners and you could eat some damage real fast

[rain sedge]

FO2 and the speed BP is usually the run killer

We've all died to simple witch or skull at Tartarus with some BP combo like this

[north dove]

I tried Arthur boonless for a bit but that thing is so bad at killing bosses

[rain sedge]

I thought Arthur do a lot of damage

[north dove]

it's also the most unsafe sword by a large margin

because of how slow it is

[rain sedge]

Makes sense

Ok I'm sleeping, night all

Grats again crepes

That's insane

[ripe crane]

Aside from the bias of Hestia being my favorite weapon, I just think it's the best for boonless. Does anything else have base damage increase like that? 80% from shackle with +150 base damage is just a great combo.

[north dove]

I don't think so, Hestia might be the best aspect for it yeah

maybe rama?

[honest kernel]

I'd have said maybe Achilles, but Hestia being base damage is huge for that

Or Hades spear

[daring hedge]

rama's alright but being potentially locked out of special and having that matter is tough

hades aspect has it a little easier in that respect because you can easily roll without using special

[north dove]

Zag bow might be decent too

with the inherent crit chance

[daring hedge]

yeah

[honest kernel]

Assuming hammers are allowed, I wonder how Zag shield does

[ripe crane]

Dem fist 5x special is pretty sick with shackle. You would have to avoid both attack and special boons though.

[north dove]

avoiding both doesn't seem likely

[ripe crane]

Unless we switch to allowing the use of codex mod and you just immediately delete the boons you pick up

Which seems dumb

[daring hedge]

if only fated authority could roll miniboss boons into other gold laurel rewards. which, obviously would be not great for casual play

but for this? perfect

[true fable]

tailesque what are your thoughts on some of these priv status rama builds

LOL

[daring hedge]

oh geez

it's... well it goes without saying but, extremely goofy to gun specifically for +40% additive from all that work on rama

i caught some of ello's races and... his opponent taking dio keepsake for tartarus was extremely ???

[true fable]

heart rend feels like it'd be faster? IDK

oh yeah that was a big ?

[daring hedge]

and yeah i think doing aphro attack (especially when it's common and you're probably going to get an additive hammer anyways) instead of artemis is... weird

[true fable]

tailesque it's time for you to convert and take back the rama speed record

[loud coral]

40 heat Zag Spear hasn't been done yet right?

[daring hedge]

lol i'd definitely need more practice for any heat

[true fable]

40 heat zag spear's been done

[loud coral]

damn

[daring hedge]

the 32 and 50 records are still in the bag at least (for now)

[ripe crane]

So has 50

[twilit orbit]

yeah retrash did 50 heat zag spear

[ripe crane]

Nothing is safe from Retrash

[daring hedge]

i did 50 zag spear as well!

[twilit orbit]

tailesque also did I think

[true fable]

i think i might actually try AP2 on 32 heat with eris just for speed

[twilit orbit]

and haelian did a seeded 50 heat zag spear

so technically not as cool, but it was 50 heat

we went from having zag spear at super low heat to three people doing 50 heat with it in the span of two days

[ripe crane]

OH YEAH

Wait Tail did it first

[twilit orbit]

I think tail was first

[ripe crane]

I forgot Tail and Retrash did it on the same day lol

[twilit orbit]

i dont remember 100% though

[loud coral]

Thought i was gonna be special then again I haven't even beaten 45 heat so I probably shouldn't attempt 40 Zag Spear for a bit

[north dove]

Just go for aspects nobody uses like Zag Rail

[true fable]

is there any aspect that hasn't been done at 40 at this point? i feel like all of them have been covered

i think wobbles did zag rail 45 right?

[twilit orbit]

40 zag spear seems very doable as long as you high roll exploding launcher early

[daring hedge]

i think all had been done with at least 40 back in blood price

[true fable]

i mean

clearly 50 heat zag spear is doable

[daring hedge]

nyaanyaa was keeping a little sheet of where each was at in terms of highest heat

[twilit orbit]

yeah but those are good players

[loud coral]

Any heat is doable if you're good enough, problem is actually pulling it off

[twilit orbit]

40 zag spear is likely very doable by average players like me because exploding launcher is pretty safe

[true fable]

good to know that the benchmark for good players is the gods among us

[ripe crane]

tbh I wish we were tracking more on the pinned spreadsheet

Or that the people updating it were active 😬

[twilit orbit]

one of you should ask to be added as an editor to the sheet

[daring hedge]

i could maybe ask krasher to be an admin on the sheet and help get your guys' runs on there faster

[true fable]

many of us would support that campaign

has anyone done gilga 40+?

[daring hedge]

retrash did 50 yeah

[north dove]

I did gilga at 50

[true fable]

there really is nothing new under the sun now

[ripe crane]

With Ares Dash

[twilit orbit]

i like that little section that is sorted by each weapon/aspect

but it hasnt been updated in forever

[true fable]

time to break out them first run hell mode runs

[ripe crane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679466835283804306/778462610432589844/unknown.png

Trying this for Hestia speedruns. Anything look out of place?

Maybe JS is better than CP?

[loud coral]

50 heat I'm assuming?

With Hestia you're getting tons of high-power shots so unless you're hard-banking on Ricochet then keep CP

[edgy arrow]

what heat are you speedrunning lmao

[loud coral]

CP EM4 might be an issue but that's one fight compared to like 50 chambers

[misty hamlet]

yeah I'm doing 45 heat every aspect, only have a few left now

none of them have felt particularly remarkable so far

lucifer 45 and GY 45 took a bit of work 🤔 but not a lot

unrelated: that feel when the same duo boon gets APed 4 times in one run

[true fable]

is it still random yall

im telling you it senses green boons

which ones do you have left?

[twilit orbit]

I have found the worst thing about zag fists

repeatedly dodging exploding eggs in elysium after you clear the room when you're trying to suicide

[loud coral]

Those can still kill you after a clear?

[true fable]

yes

not if you have the boon menu open though

[daring hedge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/654076105321480226/778477830236405770/20201117223232_1.jpg

victory screen not as pretty as crepes at all but i did not use cast or call lol

because of how styx can force those on you

[true fable]

absolutely mad

"boon purger" LMAO

[daring hedge]

the absolute perfect title for these

[ripe crane]

Hey no fair, your ricochet shot hits 3 targets

jk, jk. Awesome job 😄

Deserving of the poon burger title

[true fable]

that 8:11 on bow

i am looking respectfully

[daring hedge]

thank you! hopefully hades aspect will come next sometime soon; the final fight with hades is just much more of a nightmare with boonless spear in general

oh i think that 8:11 was my rama any heat PB, and then shortly after, bablo destroyed it with his own rama any heat

as bablo tends to do

[true fable]

LOL

best of luck

the hades aspect wr seems very beatable

[daring hedge]

oh really? i have been running hades spear a ton because of these boonless attempts. maybe i could take a crack at it

[true fable]

it's like 8:19 or something

i was doing it for a while but it just became serrated point roulette

[daring hedge]

i feel like it would go similarly for me lol

[true fable]

helps that everyone in the community seems to hate playing hades spear

[daring hedge]

it's just the best damage option esp with hunter dash and deadly strike

when i saw ello ban hades spear immediately

[true fable]

yeah i think thats how all of HC3 is gonna go tbh

cover your eyes

[daring hedge]

surely they wouldn't ban both hades spear and rama though right

speedrunners seem to be warming up to rama, finally

[true fable]

everyone seems to like weapons that do big numbers so i think rama is safe

[daring hedge]

even if some runners for some reason avoid the playstyle that would grant them the big numbers

[true fable]

LOL

[twilit orbit]

wait but hades spear does big numbers

[true fable]

it does solid numbers

[twilit orbit]

+150% crits are nice damage

[true fable]

like 400 per hit

but not that juicy several thousand per hit damage some other weapons can do

[twilit orbit]

I've really grown to like hades spear because its the only aspect where I can use the spin attack in regular combat and not feel like I'm trolling

and the spear spin is pretty cool

its just not very good usually

[cedar thistle]

if only the +150 works on spin

[true fable]

i still cant believe zag spear is both the second fastest weapon and the one with the second most 50+ heat completions

some real troll energy just emanating from that aspect

[twilit orbit]

second most?

I'm pretty sure tailesque by himself has more 50+ heat combinations with rama, and I think there are a decent amount of 50 heat eris runs as well

I could be wrong about that though

[true fable]

yeah i was thinking after rama

but i guess haelian and bablo have completed 50 multiple times with eris

[twilit orbit]

the second fastest thing was because of a high roll sea storm or something right?

[true fable]

i have no clue i refuse to watch a zag spear vod

[daring hedge]

i have an eris 50 that would boost that up a little too, but it was pretty uneventful and i'm not even very good with eris

not sure if i even bothered to record it

also regarding punishing sweep not affecting spins; honestly the boonless runs have taught me that it's pretty much fine that it doesn't tbh

still has great utility for clearing out bunched up waves with the innate range increase

you can pretty much spam it back and forth during lernie extra heads phases and they all die very quickly, especially the 3 bunched up on the upper right

[misty hamlet]

@true fable I have.... Demeter, Gilgamesh, Excalibur, Beowulf, Rama

[true fable]

EZ

except gilga

[misty hamlet]

https://imgur.com/a/IR8HlyH haha

[ripe crane]

Boons of Hermemes

[true fable]

pain

[ripe crane]

Why would you want three little dashes when you could have TEN whole dodge chance?

[twilit orbit]

why do people want extra dashes?

to dodge attacks

why not just cut out the middle man and go directly for the dodge

also 10 > 3

[ripe crane]

Exactly. Let ol' Hermz do the dodging for you

[twilit orbit]

that's just math

[ember cobalt]

Plus stacking dodge is always fun

[misty hamlet]

you don't understand i don't care what boon it is, I just want it to be purple 😦

[ripe crane]

Just get rare crop duh

[mossy zinc]

No, it has to be Epic Crop.

[ripe crane]

I'm VERY angry that I smiled at that

[mossy zinc]

Thank you.

[unreal pasture]

psh, not even heroic or legendary

[misty hamlet]

woo demeter complete

it was a pretty uninteresting run too

[honest kernel]

So I just did 45 heat with Zag shield with the boonless thing LMAO

[misty hamlet]

man

all these 45 heat boonless runs are making mine feel really dumb by comparison

[ripe crane]

Like, successfully?

[honest kernel]

Check #h1-victory-boasting

Outside of that Styx Phalanx shot I was forced to nab

Only used attack the entire run lmao

Sudden Rush to start with, into Minotaur Rush

[ripe crane]

Wack

[honest kernel]

The powerrush deals 242 damage or something like that

With a dash strike that adds up to 300 something

That's enough dps

[daring hedge]

lmao very nice, wow

[honest kernel]

I was literally bonking Skelly around, and noticed that Zag Shield actually kinda slapped

[unreal pasture]

Booneless TD3 is pretty bonkers

[honest kernel]

With RI3 too

Because I could lol

[unreal pasture]

Yea, the shield kind of doesn't need the second dash... kind of

[honest kernel]

Not with Sudden Rush anyways

[true fable]

zoomin

[honest kernel]

Literally lmao

[ripe crane]

Shackle gets you through Tartarus and Asphodel pretty fast tbh. Elyseum is a grind but if you get a 2 sack you can be okay.

[honest kernel]

It was a 2-sack

So yeah

When I said that the deadline was tight ? I meant it lmao

[unreal pasture]

Shackle is a lot of damage

[daring hedge]

hades perspective during the boss fight, probably: a blur racing across the arena smacking him in the face every couple seconds

[honest kernel]

You could go faster with Pulverized Blow instead of Minotaur Bullrush

Had an attempt that kinda just died to Hades, but with a MUCH better time, all thanks to Pulverized Blow

[north dove]

RI3 TD3!? You absolute madman

[ripe crane]

Part of me is like "okay yeah I can get 50 with this, I just need to turn on AP2" and then the other part of me is like "omg I would have to turn on AP2"

[honest kernel]

The reason I went RI3

[daring hedge]

that just sounds like an unfun reset fest

[honest kernel]

is because AP1 kept blocking my attack or dash lmao

Got fed up with it

[ripe crane]

It is. It adds no challenge at all, just makes the number go up. I tried RI3 but was dying to bull man with one dash so I went AP1 instead

I got mad respect for shield users tbh. I hate it.

Grats to you

[honest kernel]

Sudden Rush makes it a LOT easier, I'll tell you what

Underrated hammer

With it, you can ensure that even with FO2 you can bullrush away from an enemy/boss, and be ready to swing back in super fast

Let's you do a hit-and-run routine that is pretty safe while still netting damage

[ripe crane]

We kinda killing this boonless meme

Nothing like a lil' friendly competition to spur improvement

[honest kernel]

Yeah

Also fighting Non-EM4 Dad felt like cheating lmao

[ripe crane]

I am so bad at that fight

Idk why

Modding master ellomenop just hooked me up with this https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/679466835283804306/778501880732319754/unknown.png

[honest kernel]

YO

[ripe crane]

Seems like we should be able to do this as long as we have the other hell mode pacts on

[honest kernel]

HL1, LC1, JS1, CP1 are the others

[ripe crane]

Here are the instructions:
go to SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Hades\Content\Scripts\MetaUpgradeData.lua, line 855 (you can search for "NoInvulnerabilityShrineUpgrade")
then delete this bit:

>         {
>             RequiredTrueFlags = { "HardMode", },
>         },```

[honest kernel]

Oh

Simple as that

[ripe crane]

Yup

[honest kernel]

Who would have thunk

[ripe crane]

Turns out all you have to do is ask xD

[twilit orbit]

i mean if you were on pc you could have always downloaded a hell mode save right?

[honest kernel]

^

[twilit orbit]

its just that most people didnt want to do that

[ripe crane]

Yeah but it's not your file

[honest kernel]

^ kinda the reason why I started one myself

Don't plan on pushing it too much until I decide to do 51+ heat lmao

[ripe crane]

I simply don't have time to play through the entire game again.

[honest kernel]

Not when fantabulous competitions such as boonless runs are at stake

[ripe crane]

50 heat coming tomorrow, bet

[honest kernel]

I don't think I'm doing it on zag shield then lmao

Maybe Zeus shield ? 👀

[ripe crane]

None of that AP2 garbo either

Zeus shield could be hot

[honest kernel]

Yeah, already got tired of AP1 lmao

but tbh, I might take a 'Lil break, run wise

Focus on other stuff IRL

[ripe crane]

Sounds disgusting

[twilit orbit]

if you do TD0, RI3, and everything else at max you could do a 55 heat boonless run 👀

56 on hellmode

[honest kernel]

So without AP that's 50 heat, 51 on hellmode

[north dove]

Boonless EM4 🚫

[daring hedge]

please no

[honest kernel]

Without TD I might be able to cheese it with shield lol

But yeah that's an OOF and a half

[ripe crane]

I'm gonna try EM2 but JS3 and CP2. Surely I'll save enough time vs the heroes to make up for that right?

[honest kernel]

With CP2 ? Depends on the weapon/aspect you plan on using lmao

[unreal pasture]

Boonless EM4 might be impossible because of Hades heal?

[honest kernel]

'tis the point where my Zag Shield strats crumble unless I highroll Pulverized Blow

[ripe crane]

Gotta shoot the urns to stop the heal

[honest kernel]

WIth Shackles you still deal good damage, and you can destroy the urns that have a green beam above them to interrupt his heals

He like heals 3 times top

Per attempt

[unreal pasture]

Oh, weird... I've never seen a green beam attaching to a specific urn

[honest kernel]

Sometimes less

If you don't see it, it's likely offscreen

Arena's huge

[true fable]

do you think mods would care about that for speedrun.com entries

probably not right

[twilit orbit]

I doubt they would accept this category

its already hard enough to get people to submit for 32 heat

[honest kernel]

It would likely be in the same state as Supersoaker

If it made it in

[twilit orbit]

boonless is even harder than 32 heat

[true fable]

i have discovered the 32 heat strat

i reset until i get lightning strike on AP2

currently on a 2:21 tart exit with blade dash LUL

[honest kernel]

Eris ?

Sounds like Eris, smells like Eris

[true fable]

it is eris

[twilit orbit]

tbh the first 15 heat in a 32 heat speedrun is "free"

since any heat is already 9 heat and if you add in TD3 you get to 15

[honest kernel]

FO2 EM2 TD3 yeah

[true fable]

yeah i just picked pacts that make it "feel" like a normal 9 heat run

aside from not being able to buy boons/pick which boons you get

which i feel like eris is most immune to but im not sure

[twilit orbit]

btw for people who play rail a lot on controller, what do you bind reload to?

I've been using default controls but I think im getting sick of pressing right stick to reload

[cedar thistle]

[ripe crane]

Left trigger

[twilit orbit]

is that where summon normally is?

[ripe crane]

And set a stick to companion

Ya

[twilit orbit]

I was thinking of swapping it with the codex

[ripe crane]

Or you could do codex button

Whichever is more comfortable

[twilit orbit]

maybe I do reload on left trigger and companion on left bumper

[ripe crane]

But a remap is basically necessary

[twilit orbit]

it wasnt too bad until now

but I'm going to do a bunch of runs with all the rail aspects and I figure that playing hestia with default controls is going to make me very angry

[north dove]

I still use the default reload button

[twilit orbit]

with eris I can just shoot until the clip is empty and then press dash to reload

so its not super duper bad

but trying to learn hestia with stick reload seems bad

[ripe crane]

Retrash gotta be as unconventional as possible

Which in this case the default is somehow unconventional

Ya it is not really noticeably bad into you use hestia

[honest kernel]

Speaking of unconventional. How many players at the high heat caliber actually play KBM lmao

[north dove]

If I change it at this point it'll mess with my muscle memory

Approximately 0

[twilit orbit]

why does nobody play with keyboard

[true fable]

depends

am i high heat caliber

i guess 40 isnt that high

[twilit orbit]

i feel like mouse has a lot more precision than controller

though keyboard movement is more awkward

[true fable]

i'll lyk when i get 50 and then we'll have a kbm high heat player ig

[honest kernel]

Well I do play kbm, and I completed 50 heat so idk

[true fable]

oh

[twilit orbit]

it would be cool if you could attach a joystick and get the best of both worlds

[true fable]

right on

i play kbm

[twilit orbit]

movement joystick + aiming with mouse

[north dove]

Movement > aiming

[true fable]

that would be nice

but how would you dash? mouse/joystick button?

movement is bigger than aiming especially in a game with such good autoaim

[twilit orbit]

wait is movement in hades more than 8 axis?

[true fable]

id say the only advantage kbm has really is rail special

[honest kernel]

It is if you play controller

[twilit orbit]

ah

[honest kernel]

kbm be like that

[twilit orbit]

because if it is only 8 axis you can just map your wasd keys to a joystick in steam

[loud coral]

Also why Aim Assist is basically required on controller

At least imo

[twilit orbit]

thats how I play among us, lol

[honest kernel]

Now that's something to mess around with

[twilit orbit]

I use a joystick for movement and a mouse to interact with the game

I just mapped wasd to a joystick in steam

[true fable]

wait how does that work

it's still all or nothing inputs right

[twilit orbit]

steam can map a joystick to wasd movement

you get 8 directional inputs

basically the joystick is divided into 8 zones (plus neutral) and whatever zone it is in gets translated to either one or two key presses

so upper left joystick section is translated to holding down W and A at the same time

[ocean ether]

galaxy brain strats

[true fable]

yeah but isnt the whole point of a controller to be able to modulate 360 degrees of directional input

[twilit orbit]

the big advantage of kbm is better grenade aim and the ability to fire in one direction while moving in a second direction

but I guess better movement is more important

[muted fossil]

managed to get 32 heat set up without TD or DC. let's see how this goes....

[misty hamlet]

Speaking of KBM, I’m also in the KBM club

[honest kernel]

So I'm not alone

Noice

[rugged acorn]

I wonder what would happen if I plugged a keyboard & mouse into my switch

[gaunt fiber]

Mouse only player here

[heady olive]

kbm club too

how many buttons does ur mouse have to play with mouse only

[cinder cave]

from: Nyaanyaa Mewmew#0147 has:image

go for that search

[heady olive]

lol

[gaunt fiber]

4 aside from the classic ones

so 7

[heady olive]

cool

do u get any finger strain or sth from using it o.o

[gaunt fiber]

For the call I tap space bar with my nose tho

Just so I bow before the good I'm calling help from

[heady olive]

[cedar thistle]

i've two buttons

cast is mouse wheel down.

right click for special.
when i use hestia. right click is reload, and special goes to mouse wheel up

mouse wheel down is really good for beo/hera too

just spin to win

call goes to ctrl. cause needing to move a directional btn finger to press F is a bad idea.

oh wait.. i just re-read.... he wasn't really asking...

oh well, im dumb

[heady olive]

hahaha

its still informative

[gaunt fiber]

I'm always happy to let people know about my playstyle

[rain sedge]

I wanna play KBM for eris for the special aiming

but that's not possible on switch

real talk though, my biggest regret is buying this game on switch instead of PC

[gritty sorrel]

whynotboth.jpg

[rain sedge]

cross saves isn't here

[cinder cave]

could just dl a speedrunner's save if you cba

[gaunt fiber]

another acronym to my collection

[mossy zinc]

Are you collecting them like trading cards?

[gaunt fiber]

Yes !

And I'm using em all at the same time

I mean even when I type normally there's a 50% chance no one gets what I'm saying so

[subtle hearth]

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[gaunt fiber]

right @rain sedge ?

[subtle hearth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[cinder cave]

Are u secretly 40 or smth

[gaunt fiber]

I'm about the same age as Skelly

[subtle hearth]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[rain sedge]

someone @ me but seems like I have blocked this person

so I can't see it

hmmm, weird.

[cinder cave]

Soooooo

[gaunt fiber]

[cinder cave]

2104 years old?

[gaunt fiber]

this too off topic for me to respond I'm afraid

[edgy arrow]

does this channel even have a topic at this point

[gaunt fiber]

idk

I do appreciate it tho

[cinder cave]

Maybe this is just the acronyms channel

[edgy arrow]

hhhs

pretty inspiring acronym

gotta love a triple h

[cinder cave]

Haha high security?

[gaunt fiber]

high high high security

[edgy arrow]

#h1-high-heat-strategies lol

[cinder cave]

Highest higher high security

[edgy arrow]

would you say that security has been... heightened?

dies to trap

[cinder cave]

[edgy arrow]

i think HS is my new FO2

i hate every second of it but i think i’ve forgotten how to turn it off now

[gaunt fiber]

I always take HS. Otherwise, lava suicide is soooo long

[edgy arrow]

true

it’s lowkey great QoL

[tidal flame]

Take HS so you can suicide faster for SD heal.

[edgy arrow]

basically an upgrade if you think about it

[tidal flame]

#h1-high-heat-strategies

[edgy arrow]

big brain strats

[gaunt fiber]

time saving

TD3 strat

[tidal flame]

You know how some games have in game tool tips?

We need to have that

[edgy arrow]

oddly makes sure footing feel kinda bad tho lol

[tidal flame]

Instead of Hades sulking on his desk

[gaunt fiber]

that would be nice

[tidal flame]

They can add actual good advice

[edgy arrow]

we do

it’s hypnos

[gaunt fiber]

hypnos yeah

[tidal flame]

Hmm true

[cinder cave]

Sure footing is bad

[gaunt fiber]

with HS it's ok

[tidal flame]

Sure, footing is bad.

[gaunt fiber]

without, horrible

[cinder cave]

I knew it all along

[edgy arrow]

15 damage from a HS dad urn isn’t bad

[sly remnant]

^

[cinder cave]

Confirmed in HHHS

[tidal flame]

15 is ideal scenario though

Isn't that Epic level?

[edgy arrow]

true yeah

[sly remnant]

i've had a couple 32 speedruns end because of pot oneshots

[gaunt fiber]

god gamers get epic

[cinder cave]

If you aren’t dying once per room

[tidal flame]

Normal is what? -60

[cinder cave]

You aren’t doing it right

[tidal flame]

So that's still 60 damage pot

[edgy arrow]

that’s still 90 damage less

nah 90

15*6

oh wait you mean 60 left

yeah

[tidal flame]

Yeah I mean -60%

So 40% x 150 = 60 damage pot.

[gaunt fiber]

60 is death lol

[edgy arrow]

better than 150

might be able to tank 60, even on SD

[gaunt fiber]

looks the same to me

[edgy arrow]

well, any amount of damage rounds up to infinity for a GY player lol

[gaunt fiber]

that's so true

So you really are fine while your hp > 0

[edgy arrow]

i gotta learn GY some day

[tidal flame]

How much (negative) heat is God Mode?

[edgy arrow]

does that just mean i gotta learn how to actually dodge?

it probably does

[rain sedge]

I am playing zeus shield with tempest strike

I'm slightly regretting it

[tidal flame]

No because infinite HP

[edgy arrow]

ngl i legit forget about the heal spin thing lol

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah basically

[edgy arrow]

was streaming a GY run to my friend the other day and he was constantly yelling at me to heal lmao

i was like, nah, it’s fine

i won’t get hit

[cinder cave]

I love the fact that you can top up hp on gy

[rain sedge]

imagine playing GY

[edgy arrow]

(spoilers: i did not win that run)

[cinder cave]

But maybe i’ll like it less at 40+

[edgy arrow]

it’s pain with FO2 in my experience

the healing, that is

but i’m just about the worst GY player around so don’t take my word for it

[tidal flame]

TD0 + seed Quick Spin

Potential?

[gaunt fiber]

you're correct

[edgy arrow]

not sure why you wouldn’t just seed charged skewer tho

[gaunt fiber]

but you really can heal sometimes

[edgy arrow]

i guess like boss transitions and between waves and stuff?

i guess i’m just wasting that time atm

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

Usually than rooms too in Tartarus

wretched thugs are free

[tidal flame]

So you can heal more easily. Cheese strat.

Also what's this new Discord reply thing

[gaunt fiber]

Be beware of numbskull swarms

[tidal flame]

Seems fancy

[gaunt fiber]

it's appealing but deadly

[edgy arrow]

new “fun” challenge: spin only GY

[gaunt fiber]

doable really

[tidal flame]

Technically impossible

[edgy arrow]

depends what heat ig

[tidal flame]

Because you need to attack once before you spin.

[gaunt fiber]

I was sure you were about to say that

[edgy arrow]

just miss on purpose

that’d prolly get annoying fast ofc

[gaunt fiber]

I got an idea

I'll grind a hell mode save

and reset until I can get a clear at the first run

[cedar thistle]

o.o

but why

[ripe crane]

This man about to never stop resetting

[tidal flame]

I tried to do that

Gave up in Elysium because of how long the run takes

[cedar thistle]

have fun finding ME

[tidal flame]

Like be ready for 45+ mins run without good RNG.

[gaunt fiber]

Why

why did I pick pom and no heart

there LC1 fk

[tidal flame]

Lul

[gaunt fiber]

first reset

meg got me

[edgy arrow]

is hell mode fresh file a thing

guess it was only a matter of time

[sly remnant]

not as far as i know

[tidal flame]

Well freshfile folks started with hell mode then gave up and moved to normal

[edgy arrow]

oh for real?

too hardcore even for them

[tidal flame]

Well this was like a long time ago.

But yeah, Hell Mode fresh file is hell.

[edgy arrow]

ye people super good at this game these days

them boonless 45s just rolling in

[gaunt fiber]

there is no point

you don't have access to the pact

hence no FO2

[tidal flame]

45+ heat was huge. Now it's another Tuesday.

Even I got 46 =.=

People be chasing 50+

[rain sedge]

I think 45 heat boonless with bloody hestia was the impressive bit

[ripe crane]

If you missed it, last night Tail did 45 boonless with Hades spear and Baj with Zag shield

[rain sedge]

lmfao waht

[ripe crane]

Yeah xD

[rain sedge]

I'm in EU timezone so I was asleep by then

zag shield??

what?

why?

[ripe crane]

+base damage is really good with shackle

[edgy arrow]

ye we have 4 now, right?

hestia, rama, hades, zag shield

[tidal flame]

Yall are crazy

[ripe crane]

And he got some great hammers for bull rushing

[edgy arrow]

so close to all weapons boonless 45

someone do rail and sword quick

eris should be doable, right?

[tidal flame]

Arthur coming in hot

[cedar thistle]

rail is donedo

[ripe crane]

I think hestia is a rail

[cedar thistle]

is it tho?

😛

[edgy arrow]

oh wait lol

hestia

i am very smart

fists is the one we’re missing lol

dem could be alright?

[rain sedge]

I mean, boonless I would take gilgamesh instead

[edgy arrow]

i mean, i have literally no idea i haven’t even done 45 with boons

... gilg?

are you sure?

[ripe crane]

Dem you would have to avoid both attack and special boons. It would good otherwise

[edgy arrow]

possible in theory at least

[rain sedge]

well, maim would be comparatively better in a boonless situation

as for sword, I assume nemesis

[ripe crane]

Yeah if Gilg was a functional weapon it would be good

[edgy arrow]

^

[tidal flame]

I think Arthur is better

[rain sedge]

this is hate speech

it's fine

[edgy arrow]

i actually think arthur might be better boonless

but i’m not sure

[rain sedge]

like.... I mean... it's the fourth best fist but it's... fine?

[tidal flame]

Poseidon Sword boonless

Dew it

[edgy arrow]

sure

i’ll do that

0 heat ofc

[ripe crane]

Now that I have access to PL I think 50 heat on Hestia with AP1 is doable. Gonna try for some of that today I think

[rain sedge]

didn't you already do that

[ripe crane]

PL just feels like it opens up so much. That 1 heat is a lot

[edgy arrow]

wait... 50 boonless?

[ripe crane]

I mean boonless

[rain sedge]

isnt your hestia heat super high or something

.

[edgy arrow]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[rain sedge]

alright @ me when you do that

[edgy arrow]

50 boonless

i can’t even comprehend this idea

do it

[tidal flame]

Hestia max is 48 right?

[ripe crane]

I mean really you could just turn on AP2 and the heat number would be bigger, you would just have to grind a lot more because run killing boons will be forced on you

[edgy arrow]

crepes has done 51 with boons

iirc

[tidal flame]

Ok

[wraith imp]

OH SNAP. I'm loving the new look of the quote feature. WEEEE!!!

[rain sedge]

it's pretty cool yeah

the old one was clunky

[wraith imp]

Heck yeah, it was.

[tidal flame]

It depends on server right?

Some other ones don't have this.

[gaunt fiber]

alright

second try, about to face theseus

and the king

[loud coral]

Yeah it does

Wait what run are you doing?

[gaunt fiber]

Hell mode fresh file

[loud coral]

Nice, I should probably do that once I do 50 heat

[gaunt fiber]

lmao asterius is so slow without fo2

[loud coral]

The only reason I still run Achilles is actually just in case Asterius decides to charge at me

If it wasn't for that I'd be running Hades by now

[gaunt fiber]

aaaaaaaaand I'm dead.

[tidal flame]

lmao asterius is so slow without fo2
aaaaaaaaand I'm dead.
The duality of man.

[gaunt fiber]

yeah

theseus can be boring

but shockwaves always have been bs

[loud coral]

EM3 sounds rough with PL actually

[gaunt fiber]

• I have no dmg

[tidal flame]

yeah, i got the same problem, too

[gaunt fiber]

It's because I'm bad

had to choose hp over poms twice, + money was heal and not boon

so no ME

[mossy zinc]

omg those new replies look so weird.

[mossy zinc]

Don't use this feature, it looks ugly as kupo.

[wraith imp]

Nah. I think the new format looks amazing.

[mossy zinc]

[wraith imp]

Heuheuheuheuheuheu.

[gaunt fiber]

having to pom divine dash

the sweet reset, it calls to me

[tidal flame]

admittedly it looks better on mobile

but it provides more info, you know who is replying to who now

[gaunt fiber]

I'd rather ping the person to get on their nerves

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber yeah.

[tidal flame]

oh yeah, the ping thing should be default off

[hollow lynx]

no

[gaunt fiber]

oh

The AI are smarter than me

They actually dodge traps

[tidal flame]

I hate you

[hollow lynx]

sorry about it xoxo

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber what do you mean they dodge traps?

[gaunt fiber]

I tried to manipulate their movement/attack to make em go in a spike trap

but they would not

[mossy zinc]

New feature just makes chat terrible to read when the messages that are being replied to are like right there anyway. I don't need to see the same message twice to follow a conversation lol.

[twilit orbit]

AI always walks around traps

[mossy zinc]

Are you saying the AI is smarter than Alecto?

That's very rude.

[gaunt fiber]

Well

Not being smart is ok

[twilit orbit]

the only way they can end up on traps is if you shove them onto it, or they use a dash that takes them onto the trap

its just really common with alecto because of her dashes

[mossy zinc]

Alecto is smart and great.

Not like trash god.

[twilit orbit]

is zagreus the god of raccoons?

[gaunt fiber]

Yeah but AI does not care about an exploding urn

[twilit orbit]

trash god :^)

[gaunt fiber]

they will stay in the radius

[mossy zinc]

Me too. The AI and I have so much in common.

"It's fine. I'll stay here and just dash at the last se—KABOOM!—nevermind."

[gaunt fiber]

haha

that's so me too

wait I took 55 dmg from a witch

OH

PL

[true fable]

i think i want to try first run before i try hell mode first run lol

also any crazy people in here streaked at 50 before?

[mossy zinc]

Not that, but I know Tailesque's highest win streak is 50 lol.

That's 1/4th of my total clears in one streak.

[ripe crane]

My win streak hasn't been higher than 2 for a very long time

[tidal flame]

You guys win?

[gaunt fiber]

what's a win

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber I would tell you, but you wouldn't understand.

[urban coyote]

its really cool that while I basically never come onto this discord, when I do pop in to see where I was @'d I recognize so many names from the community / twitch chats etc. ❤️ all you peeps, we got a cool community

[gaunt fiber]

Damn right

@mossy zinc Can you try to explain, please ?

[crystal scroll]

Me trying Extreme Measures 4: ah, yes, finally beat hades!

Third health bar

AUGH

and then I no hit it SOMEHOW

That was my first time with Extreme Measures and I won.

Chiron Bow with Hangover on Special

[mossy zinc]

Nice! Congrats!

[tidal night]

gg!

[mossy zinc]

@gaunt fiber it's what gouki players think they earned through skill, but they ain't got no skill.

[loud coral]

How am I so bad at 45 heat

If I don't get Alecto the run's basically over at this point

[honest kernel]

Something I did to practise High heat builds/pacts, is use the pact but turn off HL

[daring hedge]

tisiphone and meg give you that much trouble? not to be blunt, just genuinely curious

[true fable]

love when one alecto beyblade just ends it all for me

i hate alecto only during last phase if tis pulls up the smokescreen

that thing is complete and utter BS

[tidal flame]

Honestly I take Antos to skip Alecto last phase

Ain't no one got time for that

[loud coral]

I don't think it's actually Tis or Meg themselves, just the summons

Alecto's support blade thing is hell in Tis' arena

[tidal flame]

Oh and Antos one shot phase 2 Tis, essentially skipping almost half the fight.

[honest kernel]

Beyblades are OP man

[true fable]

tis summons

[loud coral]

I should probably go Antos at this point

[tidal flame]

I think you are mistaking Tis and Alecto

Meg and Alecto summons

Tis changes chamber

[daring hedge]

the tis rows of circles used to be even faster and were such a nightmare to dodge reactively

very thankful they toned those down

[honest kernel]

... how did I forget about that LOL

[true fable]

i think megs circles are the worst rn

[tidal flame]

Yup

[true fable]

at least if you keep moving alecto has trouble hitting you

[loud coral]

Megs circles get me killed a lot too yeah

[tidal flame]

Meg circle and projectiles spam hurt

[loud coral]

Honestly I should probably lower HL a bit

[true fable]

love the overlap for meg circles

[honest kernel]

"What's that, already used your dashes ? Screw you get in the circle" - Meg, probably

[loud coral]

Yeah I'll just take Antos, TD is also a problem in Tartarus so hopefully that helps

[honest kernel]

so am I the only one that doesn't time out in Tartarus like ever

[loud coral]

Well I make it on time, just that the panic gets me hurt more

Elysium is where I tend to time out most

[tidal flame]

Tartarus is just enough time territory for me.

[honest kernel]

A bad run will make me time out in Elysium, or later in Styx

That's about it for me

[tidal flame]

Idk, with JS3

Bad spawns hurt

[honest kernel]

Oh yeah, JS3

[loud coral]

Still torn between Electric and Phalanx Shot

[tidal flame]

I have seen like 7 waves of enemies scattering around

Because they are not armoured

Their values are low

[daring hedge]

yeah, high heat tartarus timeouts are pretty much always due to JS3

[tidal flame]

It's infuriating

[daring hedge]

witch heavy or numbskull heavy rooms are the worst

[honest kernel]

One skull, ah ah ah. Two skulls, ah ah ah. Three skulls, ah ah ah. Repeat that like 50 times and that's what I saw occasionnaly when I ran JS3 for the heck of it

[true fable]

witches with the x trap room

just give up man

one underrated upside of SD LC4 is that resetting is so much more efficient

lol

[daring hedge]

"witches are low value" says the game director while spawning four cloner + slugger witches which quickly multiply to at least 12 in a small chamber

[loud coral]

Still trying to convince other players that LC4 isn't that bad but they all avoid it like it's the plague

God I hate speeder witches with a burning passion

[true fable]

i hate the shifter cloners

because you cant just spawn kill them

[tidal flame]

I hate cloners on everything except for bothers

[true fable]

@daring hedge would 32 heat speed be faster with PL on a hell mode save? im actually not sure

[daring hedge]

cloner speeder louts can be so obnoxious

oh yeah probably

[true fable]

ive been using something close to your pact setup for the most part

just avoiding em3 like the plague

[daring hedge]

PL really is free heat at a certain point, especially after getting used to running 32

[true fable]

but i want to be able to get rid of bp2 somehow

maybe UC PL BP1?

not sure whether uc or ap1 would be worse tbh

probably ap1

[daring hedge]

yeah, ap1 would be worse

[honest kernel]

AP1 for sure is worse than UC

[true fable]

lots of finagling must be done

[daring hedge]

i actually like MM for 32 speed just because barge takes ages without it

[true fable]

true

[honest kernel]

^

[true fable]

i thought briefly about running mm in regular speed for that reason

[honest kernel]

Being able to Meg the big crystal is huge

[true fable]

since it doesnt change doomstone/bball

but bombers is so much worse

[honest kernel]

Power duo is a bit more annoying

[daring hedge]

yeah

[honest kernel]

Dunno about the witches

[true fable]

tbh i just i frame the drop with meg anyway

[honest kernel]

Butterfly is also more annoying

[daring hedge]

witches only adds non-destructible projectiles

[honest kernel]

Oh

[daring hedge]

which can still be deflected lmao

[honest kernel]

That's free for that then lmao

[true fable]

yep haha

i didnt even know there was a difference lol

[cerulean frigate]

MM witches' circle unironically easier than the normal version

[true fable]

yeah cuz they only shoot 4 if they do the special projectiles right?

[cerulean frigate]

the "indestructible" projectiles they fire don't get mega spammed like the other attacks they have

[daring hedge]

i think so

[honest kernel]

In patterns of 4 projectiles yeah

[daring hedge]

similar thing with doomstone; MM just makes it so sometimes it takes big trap damage

congratulations, you played yourself

[true fable]

wait how do you trap the witches

[honest kernel]

Until you accidentaly knock it away and have to awkwardly dash towards it lmao

[daring hedge]

i just mean in terms of MM making minibosses weirdly easier in a respect

[honest kernel]

I blame companions for that

[true fable]

also dont know if anyone needs this but there is now a meg guide

also dont know if anyone needs this but there is now a meg guide

mm makes some things different but it's still helpful

tbh does anyone else meg bombers now

i sometimes just hit them a couple of times and then eyeball a meg that will hit 2-3 of them

not sure that's "optimal"

[daring hedge]

i usually try to save my meg there

[true fable]

im so used to just dashing mid and immediately meg'ing

but i should probably meg a bit more selectively

just feel silly finishing a run with 3 charges left lol

[daring hedge]

usually my meg distribution goes: one use in aspho (either miniboss or a lernie phase), two in elysium (miniboss and champs), and the last two in styx (ideally one miniboss pairing and then dad with 2sack)

[cerulean frigate]

pretty much only use meg in tartarus if the miniboss is sneak and i'm using hangover/doom for the damage output so far

otherwise it takes forever

[daring hedge]

new run category: spam wells for night spindles and try to get the highest amount of summon charges by the end

[mossy zinc]

I always use Antos on Doomstone and Sneak but never on Bombers.

Well, Malphon with Divine Strike I don't use Antos on Sneak.

Because that fight is free.

I sometimes skip the last phase vs Furies, too.

[daring hedge]

i used to dislike sneak with hades aspect because of the teleport rinsing punishing sweep, but now i charge a spin and reactively release+iframe when it decides to go behind, then poke away

usually goes down pretty quickly

[mossy zinc]

I tend to mostly time out in Tartarus or Elysium since I somehow stupidly refuse to not run TD3 lol.

Summon vs Sneak or Doomstone saves a lot of time.

[tidal flame]

the new TD3 makes me wonder. why did we complain about 7mins Elysium before?

[mossy zinc]

It's a perfect solution.

If you only have 5 minutes, 7 minutes is no longer a problem.

Not one you speak of anyway.

[honest kernel]

It's mostly that by comparaison, 7 minutes in Tartarus/Asphodel was whatever

But 7 minutes in Elysium on a bad run could be trouble

[tidal flame]

With the new TD3 I hoped that we get more time in Elysium. Turns out I get like 6 mins max anyhow

[honest kernel]

yeah lmao

[mossy zinc]

My problem with 7 minutes was that I refused to ever not run JS3 CP2 DC2.

"It's in the game, so I should be able to do it if I just add all of them up. That's how it should work."

[tidal flame]

i mean not like you stop doing that now

[honest kernel]

Look there's no secret 4th statue from Skelly

[mossy zinc]

I actually do a lot of my runs with JS0 CP0 DC0.

But I refuse to run anything but JS3 CP2 DC2 TD3 with Malphon.

For no good reason.

[tidal flame]

There is no parade this weekend

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel what do you mean? It goes 8 > 16 > 32 > 64.

That's how it works, right?

[honest kernel]

I mean, who can say ?

We haven't seen it yet

[mossy zinc]

Me if I looked at the lua script.

Probably.

[tidal flame]

or just beat 64 heat

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's a better way of doing it.

Much easier, too.

[cerulean frigate]

64 guan yu

ez

[mossy zinc]

I mean, I did 32 mirrorless. What difference can another 32 Heat make, right?

It's basically just beating 32 twice.

[honest kernel]

64 heat zag spear when

[tidal flame]

why zag spear?

i thought zag sword is the hot stuff?

[daring hedge]

and then at least three people do 64 zag spear in one day

[cerulean frigate]

because it hits like a pool noodle

[gaunt fiber]

what is this sorcery

[honest kernel]

Zag Sword has cheese with Cursed Slash

And can actually output decent damage with the right hammers

[twilit orbit]

zag spear has boom launcher though!

[cerulean frigate]

and cursed flurry slash unironically could be some routed tech for beating 60+

because of td3

[honest kernel]

^

[daring hedge]

zag spear needs specific hammers to be able to output... average damage

[honest kernel]

^^^^^^

[cerulean frigate]

i would say below average damage personally, if you don't get heart rend into the equation

it's so bad

[loud coral]

It's just okay at that point really

[daring hedge]

pretty much yeah

[loud coral]

Meanwhile Hades and Achilles get insane damage boosts out the gate

[cerulean frigate]

you'd think a 50 base damage attack could get decent but

turns out shadow presence is a big deal

[mossy zinc]

Somebody yesterday said I should beat 57 to beat your record. m like if I was serious about beating your record now, I'd have to go straight for 58 because if I grinded 57 now, you'd just end up beating it before me lol.

[cerulean frigate]

and exploding launcher is no eris rocket bomb

[daring hedge]

lol

[honest kernel]

Rocket Bomb is so much better

It's not even funny

Bigger, Harder, Faster, Stronger

[cerulean frigate]

can you believe that rocket bomb used to be 100 base damage

[daring hedge]

which aspect do you think you'd run for heat around there @mossy zinc ? do you think beo could hold its own there well enough?

[cerulean frigate]

[daring hedge]

rocket bomb makes my life as both a not-amazing rail player and as a controller player so much easier

[mossy zinc]

Probably Rama tbh. Eris if I could bring myself to play that, but I just feel disgusted playing Eris lol.

[cerulean frigate]

i forgot who it was but one of the eris speedruns they used a combination of keyboard and controller. they used keyboard for cluster bomb

switched to controller once they got cluster rockets

[mossy zinc]

Me and Beowulf are not on speaking terms at the moment since it's been failing me so miserably at 32 mirrorless.

[honest kernel]

Me and Beowulf don't speak, at all

[cerulean frigate]

beowulf with no infernal/stygian sounds a lot slower

[daring hedge]

RI4 beo be like: what damage?

[mossy zinc]

Even Beowulf Charged Flight tbh is just worse Guan Yu Charged Skewer with more HP lol.

[honest kernel]

With RI4 I'd rather want Zag shield than Beowulf lmao

[daring hedge]

same

[cerulean frigate]

zag shield's got a nice bonus but it makes me play monke mode

turn the brain off and mash

[mossy zinc]

Probably. I got to Hades first try with Chaos Aspect. Timed out with a 3-sack at phase 2 part 2, though.

[honest kernel]

Unga Bunga shield best shield

Zeus shield is Unga Bunga but you get a beyblade

[daring hedge]

that's kind of a valid way to play zag shield aside from bull rush hammer centric runs

[cerulean frigate]

and your attack tickles

[mossy zinc]

I tried Zeus Aspect a few times but it doesn't click with me.

[honest kernel]

Zag Shield attack actually does decent damage

[mossy zinc]

And I don't feel like putting in the work for it lol.

[honest kernel]

40 base that's fast

[mossy zinc]

Doesn't Zag shield rely on Dash-Strikes?

[cerulean frigate]

zag attack bonus doesn't apply to the rush related hammers though

[honest kernel]

You can do Attack -> Dash attack -> Attack

[daring hedge]

pulverizing blow and deadly strike can get some very respectable damage

[honest kernel]

^

That too

[cerulean frigate]

zag shield is dash strike focused until you get pulverizing blow

then it's maximum mash

especially if you have divine strike

[amber badger]

Is there a list or something ranking heat from easiest to hardest?
I'm only up to heat 6 (not sure if I should be clearing every bounty with every weapon before progressing but I want the blood)
So far I have the 7m timer, +20% damage and harder Meg

[cerulean frigate]

imagine ever taking damage because you're mindlessly mashing the attack

[daring hedge]

attack can come out seamlessly from dash-strikes with zag shield, so it's typically best to try and do at least one after a dash-strike

[honest kernel]

^^^^^^^^

THIS

Optimal Unga-Bunga shield is actually somewhat precise because of this

[daring hedge]

tight deadline without much else is definitely pretty easy, yeah

those are actually some good picks for early heat

[hollow lynx]

the worst part of this reply function is that it doesn't quote the whole message

[honest kernel]

I'd say thankfully

[cerulean frigate]

my fastest non-eris clear time for a long while was a 28 heat run with zag shield. divine strike and dash, deadly reversal, hunter's mark/PP/Support fire w/ clean kill

pulverizing blow is pretty real

[daring hedge]

some hammers are just really fun with zag shield, honestly. a lot of them, really

dashing flight with deadly flourish does work, and empowering flight just synergizes so well with zag shield in general

[honest kernel]

Sudden Rush and zoom around like a maniac

[hollow lynx]

i might as well just quote the message

we use dashing flight now?

[tidal flame]

don't trash talk my new reply function

[honest kernel]

Dashing Flight makes even the base shield special worth using

[daring hedge]

i made it to dad in a 50 attempt with it

it's very good

[tidal flame]

i can't tell if dashing flight works

[hollow lynx]

it's good if you know how it actually functions

[amber badger]

Alright, thanks
I think I'm gonna do extreme measures first cause practicing the bosses while things are still easy seems like the sensible route, even though there are easier heats to add

[tidal flame]

i can't tell the difference

[honest kernel]

If it does weird curves as you throw it, it works

[daring hedge]

you can also attack and then do dashing flight afterwards, like fists dash-upper after dash-strike

it's very useful to do this

[cerulean frigate]

dashing flight helps out with the shield's issue where clearing a bunch of small targets is a little slow sometimes

[honest kernel]

^

Rooms are a shield's worst nightmare

NOT bosses

As far as going fast goes

[cerulean frigate]

especially if you get trash spacing on the spawns

[daring hedge]

dashing flight + dread flight pretty much trivializes normal encounters with deadly flourish

[hollow lynx]

sgg make charged dashing flight compatible pls

[honest kernel]

Make Dashing Flight compatible with Zeus aspect please

[cerulean frigate]

lol