Aspect = best fists
#h1-high-heat-strategies
upper juniper
upper juniper
Cold Fusion
sly cove
right
upper juniper
is like
languid notch
Ok forgot about that
sly cove
broken
upper juniper
fine if you aren’t reapplying jolted
upper juniper
But most zeus builds are reapplying rather often
sly cove
fine if you aren’t reapplying jolted
well even if u are reapplying it wont have full uptime
ur not attacking if ur dodging
if ur dodging jolted wears off
idk i havent ever looked at numbers
but i feel like it should go crazy
languid notch
well even if u are reapplying it wont have full uptime
Most things attack slower than the builds most often using Zeus tho no?
gloomy prism
Aspect = best fists
Oh I thought the first aspect was best? The dodge one
sly cove
like if they do a 3 hit combo itd trigger 3 times
forest token
zag fist doesn't have damage
sly cove
but maybe it doesnt work that way
upper juniper
I mean I’m fairly certain it either has an internal cooldown or Hades beams only care the first time
forest token
demeter has damage
languid notch
Oh I thought the first aspect was best? The dodge one
ASPECT OF DEMETERRRRR
upper juniper
Demeter is a damage buff
forest token
damage > survivability
sly cove
yeah
upper juniper
Zag fists aren’t
forest token
the only time survivability actually made a successful run was guan yu lmfao
sly cove
- u dont ever get build direction
gloomy prism
ASPECT OF DEMETERRRRR
Recommend Demeter aspect build for heat 20?
languid notch
Recommend Demeter aspect build for heat 20?
Merciful end
Or ZAP
(Zeus attack Aphrodite/artemis special Poseidon dash)
gloomy prism
I think the uppercut can sometimes be slow so I get hit too much
languid notch
I think the uppercut can sometimes be slow so I get hit too much
Dash upper
upper juniper
I think the uppercut can sometimes be slow so I get hit too much
Dash uppering is better for dem
you get more value and it’s faster
240 base damage > 210
gloomy prism
Dash uppering is better for dem
Is that pressing dash and upper at the same time like dash strike?
gloomy prism
Might be kind of hard to press dash and special at the same time on controller
upper juniper
Is that pressing dash and upper at the same time like dash strike?
Yeah
Not really?
I mean it depends where your special is mapped
languid notch
If it’s default I can see it
gloomy prism
I mean it depends where your special is mapped
Default
upper juniper
Might be kind of hard to press dash and special at the same time on controller
Actually like
It default top or right
I can’t remember if I changed it
gloomy prism
Mine is top, right is cast
upper juniper
K
So
For fists you can lowkey roll your thumb overdash, up to strike and then to special
cuz
You can d-strike and d-upper off the same dash
it just kinda means you have to play with the base of your thumb on the dash but I’ve found myself doing that anyways
cuz d-striking is universal
otherwise you just go dash -> to special like
intentionally
I haven’t found it that bad and I’ve recently picked up fists a lot more
gloomy prism
I haven’t found it that bad and I’ve recently picked up fists a lot more
I'll give it a try.
upper juniper
The timing is a little bit of an adjustment thou
Too early and it won’t come out
Too late and it’s a standing special
gloomy prism
I usually just use Zeus on fist and keep spamming jolted, maybe tidal dash and razor shoals and hope for sea storm
upper juniper
you can’t get sea storm with just dash unfortunately
languid notch
I'll give it a try.
Btw you mentioned you were struggling with being too aggressive so:
remember to dash and not dash strike
Use merciful end cuz it wants ddash
upper juniper
😔
gloomy prism
I keep missing the Demeter uppercut because I have keep spamming dash strike and upper.
upper juniper
I’m often very intentional when I’m using the dem uppercut
gloomy prism
you can’t get sea storm with just dash unfortunately
Yeah I usually take another boon to enable
upper juniper
Cuz I want to use it on a higher hp target to get max value
languid notch
I’m often very intentional when I’m using the dem uppercut
This is how most do it
Treat it like a nuke
Not a regular attack
languid notch
True
upper juniper
- any chaos flourish or lunge boons
You can probably get it to 1000 damage pretty solidly off athena special and 2 chaos boons
languid notch
You can probably get it to 1000 damage pretty solidly off athena special and 2 c...
Oh definitely
upper juniper
Depends on rarity
languid notch
Especially with explosive upper
gloomy prism
240 base damage with athena special +%
Oh. I feel like I've never noticed it to be a huge hit. Does the multi hit always hit or can some of the hits miss?
languid notch
Oh. I feel like I've never noticed it to be a huge hit. Does the multi hit alway...
Should all hit
upper juniper
Hits can’t miss
languid notch
Is it max leveled?
upper juniper
It should all be the same hitbox although if an enemy is moving away from you them might be able to get out of range?
They’d have to be moving pretty fast or start out on the edge of your special range
gloomy prism
Is it max leveled?
I think so, I have no more bounties. Also playing on switch
languid notch
For some reason
languid notch
I think so, I have no more bounties. Also playing on switch
Switch over here
Same with you
upper juniper
Same here lmao
gloomy prism
Unless it’s Poseidon special
Oh so Poseidon would cause a miss?
upper juniper
pos special could I don’t think tdash really
languid notch
Maybe tdash…
upper juniper
Just because of the sheer number of hits they could maybe end up uber knocked back
I guess tdash maybe
yeah
gloomy prism
I kind of like tidal dash, it's like crowd control
languid notch
It’s the best in the game for a reason
upper juniper
The only builds that don’t take it if possible are Merciful End.
languid notch
Ddash close second
upper juniper
The only builds that don’t take it if possible are Merciful End.
Although crit builds might avoid it initially to secure their duos
languid notch
The only builds that don’t take it if possible are Merciful End.
Oh and hunter dash
upper juniper
yeah but not many weapons take hunter dash
upper juniper
And the ones that do are trading off a really easy styx
languid notch
That’s it
upper juniper
rama, zag bow, nemesis
languid notch
Oh yeah nemesis
upper juniper
possibly arthur but after that I’d draw the line
languid notch
Even Arthur doesn’t need it
upper juniper
you’re always trading off your styx thou
languid notch
Yeah
languid notch
I’ve noticed with my nemesis speed runs I’m much faster than normal, but just STOP being fast at Styx
upper juniper
c3 athena?
Where have you been all my life
My nemesis speedruns are just slow
Cannot get anything to line up buildwise and if it did it’s very very late in the run
languid notch
My record is 10:25
languid notch
I wouldn’t call that slow
upper juniper
I’m trying to sub10 all my weapons and
I can’t reach it again
Whoops it’s 10:50
anyways
I can’t get close
upper juniper
I wouldn’t call that slow
I do cuz it’s me
I love getting the largest tart rooms imaginable when I play melee weapons
THAN
If only there was a keepsake that was like coin purse for rerolls
sly cove
I’m trying to sub10 all my weapons and
ngl my achilles pb is prob still dogass
gloomy prism
I also find I'm more in control if I use normal attack vs trying to dash strike constantly. I'm a bit slower but I can avoid silly things like dash strike into traps or lava
upper juniper
I find it’s mainly a problem on sword and spear
But fists has a wide enough dstrike that it lowkey doesn’t matter
sly cove
I also find I'm more in control if I use normal attack vs trying to dash strike ...
nah im with u
shadow island
Anyone got good strats to help me heat climb with the spear?
It's my least favorite weapon but it's now the only one I have left so I can't put it off anymore
south violet
hammers:
if the aspect can get flurry jab, look for flurry jab. if the aspect can get exploding launcher, get exploding launcher. if you have exploding launcher, look for a second special-hammer. if you have bonus hermes dashes and your first hammer was NOT flurry jab, consider serrated point as your second hammer (though this hammer takes some practice to use effectively). if you're playing guan yu, look for either charged skewer (with strong special), quick spin + massive spin (with athena attack).
boons:
if you're playing guan yu's athena attack build, look for of course the attack, as well as an athena-call or other invulnerability-call. if you're using the special-build, look for a strong special. If you're playing any other spear, you can consider starting either poseidon dash or zeus attack. if you're playing hades spear specifically, one may consider starting artemis attack and looking for serrated point, though exploding launcher is more commonplace (either way you'll want to spin for larger enemies, or spin to dispose of groups of small enemies you can 1shot with only a spin). if you're at a loss for what to build and don't want to use zeus attack or poseidon dash, dionysus attack can work too.
gloomy prism
Gilgamesh uppercut misses a lot with tidal dash
ashen garnet
Tidal dash on fists (also sword ?) induces many misses and unexpected hits to the point it's almost a top priority for me to avoid it at higher heats. Gilgamesh might be an exception thanks to dash-chaining and the really high dps this boon gives 
gloomy prism
Tidal dash on fists (also sword ?) induces many misses and unexpected hits to th...
Yeah I failed first try, just got through second try. For some reason the tidal dash does quite a bit with Gilgamesh.
As an aside, how come tidal dash moves opponents around more than the Poseidon attack on Lucifer aspect?
languid notch
Yeah I failed first try, just got through second try. For some reason the tidal ...
You get more dashes with gilagamesh that’s why
languid notch
Yeah I failed first try, just got through second try. For some reason the tidal ...
Splash dash is just codes that way
gloomy prism
You get more dashes with gilagamesh that’s why
Still working towards a sub 20 minute clear
languid notch
Still working towards a sub 20 minute clear
Learning to go fast is really helpful
Like after I learnt speedrunning (you don’t need to go that far) I have had a run below 16 minutes in years
By all means, move at your own pace
But personally I’d recommend going fasttt (I also find it more fun)
languid notch
Like after I learnt speedrunning (you don’t need to go that far) I have had a ru...
*started learning speedrunning
ivory drum
Going fast is quite fun, can confirm
languid notch
I’m nowhere near a speed runner yet
ivory drum
Hello!
upper juniper
I decided I’d try to get all weaps sub10 and my first run using Eris is prolly a year went 8:01 😭
upper juniper
Like
My pb dropped 1:49 overnight
off a stupid one-off run
with a weapon I don’t particularly use for my usual heat gaming
upper juniper
It was
sly cove
cuz its rly easy to go fast with eris with low skill floor
upper juniper
I’ve got 4/6 of my weapons sub10 now
sly cove
u just spam buttons and as long as u have ur build down and u reload on time and stuff
sly cove
I’ve got 4/6 of my weapons sub10 now
i might wanna hop on this
upper juniper
Actually hold on look at this stupid victory screen
sly cove
still gotta grind to get to my pb
ivory drum
eris is the speedrun gateway drug
True
upper juniper
sly cove
which i have no clue what it is
ivory drum
I started with Eris ru s
upper juniper
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110989242241094/1388250141735256184/2...
zoooms
sly cove
i probably sent it in speedcord if anyone here is there
but its not easy to search for stuff from a deleted account
upper juniper
and then I crushed this by a full minute 20 the other day with something less lucky
upper juniper
I’m thereee uh
Did you post it to pbs with a message
a keyword would make it way easier to find
sly cove
Did you post it to pbs with a message
i have no clue
sly cove
i might be able to find a rough timeframe
i assume the old one but ive been gone for years
screw discord man
upper juniper
u just spam buttons and as long as u have ur build down and u reload on time and...
Lowkey all it took was epic rd clockets yk
light work
sly cove
lol clockets moment
upper juniper
Exactlyy
gloomy prism
lol clockets moment
What's clockets?
sly cove
What's clockets?
cluster rockets
bugged so the -30% damage from cluster bomb doesnt apply to rockets
so its a close range nuke
its 80 base right so thats 400 damage flat before boons and eris buff
with just eris thats 700
obv with stuff like aphro special or chaos special or sweet surrender
also ffav
and billowing possibly
regardless its a massive nuke with very fast recharge
upper juniper
bugged so the -30% damage from cluster bomb doesnt apply to rockets
Ngl even if the -30% applied it would still be the best hammer duo in game
It’s lowkey just insane to have that much aoe base damage at the press of button while special +% scaling
Demeter tries and fails to compare due to needing 12 hits
sly cove
probably early 2023?
nvm prob november ish
2023
just found this message
bvm
dont need the help
think i found it
upper juniper
Baller
Y know back in my day the speedrun modpack wasn’t a thing
it’s probably been out since before I started playing
sly cove
It’s lowkey just insane to have that much aoe base damage at the press of button...
yea...
dude imagine if the -30% was additive
wajt
is it
upper juniper
no
sly cove
that would be so funny
upper juniper
It’s base damage normally
sly cove
but yeah
sly cove
i dont think thats high heat
sterile wave
just realized my speed pb had a 1:35 tart exit
how????
sly cove
how????
probably a lot of free rooms
i dont think im ever matching that
not anytime soon at least
if i cant sub2 tart exit i dont see how im making a new pb tho
upper juniper
1:35 tart exit is crazy
zooming
upper juniper
how slow is a slow lernie
sly cove
how slow is a slow lernie
32 secs in the run
idr what mine usually are but 35ish seems right
forest token
the biggest time chunks you could cut off are aspho/lernie like you said but also heroes
21 sec heroes is a bit rough
aspho total would ideally be 1:30 which you already noticed lmao
styx/dad also feels a bit slow
wait nvm i can't read
it's like fine lmao
given your build it's prob as good as it can get
for that run at least
i can see why heroes wasn't great, aspho is kinda just rng tho
whether or not you get the boons
lernie grouping is something you can work on, head rng you jsut gotta work with what you get
the wave maker heads you just gotta blow up as soon as they appear i think
sly cove
21 sec heroes is a bit rough
my heroes are always slow i cant ever instaphase asterius even with the meg
forest token
true but even so you should be able to get btwn like 10-15
at least ideally anyways
sly cove
so i end up going like pop theseus, go after asterius, kill theseus and possibly pop asterius p2, kill asterius
i dont rly record my splits
sly cove
but i feel like my pb is probably 15
or 12 or smth
maybe i should just throw in another run review
honest crypt
any tips on fo2 dad, my 32 heat hera has been melted by dad a couple times already
(also apparently hl1 has hands)
hoary pasture
any tips on fo2 dad, my 32 heat hera has been melted by dad a couple times alrea...
I'm assuming non-EM4. I think a general tip is don't rush to deal dmg, Hera is quite good at room clearing so you probably reach the fight with tons of time left. If you're running Flurry shot it can make the wep overall less safe and somewhat tempts you to keep firing. Anything specific you're struggling with?
honest crypt
I'm assuming non-EM4. I think a general tip is don't rush to deal dmg, Hera is q...
yes it's non-EM4, and yeah I rush damage all the time 
anything to note when dad summons minions? it's hard to crowd control with hera
hoary pasture
I guess you are running Crush shot with Snow burst, essentially the same as anyheat Hera?
If so imo you should kill the minions right as they appear
Especially archers and chariots
Your dmg should be quite good
honest crypt
got it thank you
hoary pasture
If you need more info about optimizing the build or managing the casts I can try to help. Since you’re making it to the fight you’re definitely on the right track tho
sly cove
@forest token give me reset points for sub 7
also i have no clue how u get 10sec heroes cuz i went in with a goob build and got 14
hoary pasture
Playing Beo?
I think you can get away with any <4:2x aspho exit
But youre praying for Ely so you can drop it to <4:0x so it’s a bit lighter and Beo is gud on the front half generally
sly cove
i just feel like i cant get a run with a good time out of aspho without missing mirage
and i dont rly have the damage to oneshot blue men if i miss mirage
ivory drum
I think you can get away with any <4:2x aspho exit
4:2x aspho exit for sub 7 is some crazy work
I would say like 3:30 to 3:40 is good for sub 7
Also for heroes, imma assume you know the Meg setup, but to learn how to do a good heroes, go and watch a couple of Beo runs off src and see what those runners do and copy that
sly cove
idk i feel like im just missing the dps but sure
strong palm
watch its time dilation
hoary pasture
4:2x aspho exit for sub 7 is some crazy work
You are probably right now that I think about it
Might've mixed it up with 7:xx in which case it's probably oke
verbal atlas
watch its time dilation <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
yeah its pretty crazy 
ivory drum
Omg is that the hades 1 wr holder?
south violet
"Time dilation mentioned 🗣️" - frei, probably
verbal atlas
Time dilation mentioned 🗣️
charred niche
Just did my first 32 Heat Clear, here's what I learned:
- First Time doing 32 Heat, you'll want to focus on Long Range
- Maximize DPS, highly suggest Curse of Longing or Merciful End Duos
- Greater Evasion pairs nicely with Aspect of Eris, especially if you have Hazard Bomb
- Have all 3 Death Defiances if those aspects on the Mirror are Active by the time you reach ||Hades||
Build Information Below:
My First Ever 32 Heat Clear (EM4!!!)
Escape Time: 24:03.29
Adamant Rail - Aspect of Eris (Legendary) [Darker Thirst Active]
Companion Shady
Blood Vial > Pom Flower > Lucky Tooth
=========================================
Boons from Ares
---------------
Curse of Longing Lvl 4 (Epic)
Ares' Aid (Rare)
Impending Doom Lvl 2
Dire Misfortune (Epic)
Urge to Kill (Rare)
Boons from Dionysus
-------------------
Positive Outlook (Epic)
Premium Vintage (Rare)
Strong Drink
After Part (Epic)
Boons from Artemis
------------------
True Shot Lvl 2 (Epic)
Support Fire
Hunter's Mark (Rare)
Boons from Aphrodite
--------------------
Heartbreak Flourish Lvl 3
Passion Dash (Epic)
Different League Lvl 2
Sweet Surrender
Boons from Hermes
-----------------
Greater Evasion (Epic)
Flurry Cast
Greatest Reflect (Rare)
Duo Boons
---------
Curse of Longing
Heart Rend
Hammers
-------
Hazard Bomb
Delta Chamber
Pact of Punishment Conditions
=============================
Jury Summons [+20% Enemy Spawns]
Extreme Measures 4
Calisthenics Program 2 [+30% Enemy Health]
Benefits Package [+2 Perks]
Middle Management
Forced Overtime 2 [+40% Enemy Movement & Attack Speed]
Heightened Security [+400% Trap and Magma Damage]
Damage Control 2 [Enemies have 2 free hits]
Tight Deadline 2 [7 Minutes to Clear Each Area]
I think what helped this run, besides the combination of boons, was a couple of early visits to Erebus to get Poms on my Attack Boon
That damage and the Doom Buffs snowballed wildly by the end of the run.
charred niche
The pact hurt, alot
rest so many runs on my earlier attempts
before downgrading to instead finish bounties for each weapon
shy plinth
Wow, you took a... really difficult pact
charred niche
I like hearing ||"Dad Fight - Phase 3"|| in context lmao
and it's so satisfying beating Extreme Measures Theseus and Asterius with a busted build.
I've wiped the floor with them in less than a minute or two sometimes thanks to a busted build
south violet
EM4 CP2 HS 
shy plinth
Honestly kinda impressive that this is the first time 32, grats
If you're looking to run it back, I'd definitely check out Bananas' guide in the pins - you picked a lot of options that are quite difficult in your pact
Also just as a note, wouldn't recommend mom pom - coin purse is probably just better, especially on a CF0 run. Tooth is fine for a final keepsake, but Acorn is probably more damage prevention overall
honest crypt
bringing bouldy in instead of meg is also gigachad
quiet acorn
Build Information Below:
```
My First Ever 32 Heat Clear (EM4!!!)
Escape Time: 2...
Lfg ares atk eris
And delta hazard
ashen garnet
Regardless, I believe it's always cool having new non-guide/meta-following 32 clearers sharing what they learnt in the process
left prism
yeah is def cool
sly cove
cp2 em4 32 is crazy
hoary pasture
real gamer afterall
sly cove
bro why is ri only worth 2 like
hoary pasture
because it's easy
sly cove
no it isnt
upper juniper
no it isnt
think about it, if you refund your mirror rn ri4 is free heat
and you get 35k darkness out of it
sly cove
think about it, if you refund your mirror rn ri4 is free heat
true...
idk if i could even do 32 heat mirrorless tho
south violet
would depend on pact tbh, lenient 32 mirrorless pacts exist
sly cove
would depend on pact tbh, lenient 32 mirrorless pacts exist
idk i think id get cooked by mirrorless regardless
south violet
surely you, a 62 player, can do zeus 32 mirrorless
sly cove
like u have 8 free heat ig u run fo2 em3 td3 uc
sly cove
im out here struggling and failing to luci 50
south violet
I was thinking of dragonappendix
sly cove
like u have 8 free heat ig u run fo2 em3 td3 uc
this is 32 heat right
wait
am i dumb
fo2 is 6 em3 is 6 td3 is 3 i might be stupid
south violet
close enough, you have the general idea. HL0 LC0 and no HS
sly cove
yea
but js cp suck too and cf = less hp but i guess its probably fine
cf2 mm uc is 6 and then for 3 more like
am i forgetting some free heat
oh right
bp
is 5 total
sly cove
hl1 bp1 ig
sly cove
free until it isn't <:dread:758746887686848543>
free heat as long as u dont run into speeder chariots
sly cove
maybe i could do that but idk my dads are very sloppy and im awful at mm power couple too
idek what weapon tho
im trash with zeus, any castspect is unviable pactless
i guess eris or rama right
oh wait i didnt even add on dc
yeah nvm this is probably pretty easy
im pretty bad at hesty but i could probably do it
south violet
arthur not too bad either (until dad , unless you get rod or dedge 😌)
sly cove
i would rather not use arthur
ngl nem could prob work too
regardless no df seems like itd be rough tho
south violet
ngl nem could prob work too
are you sure you wanna play monodash nem on F02 32 heat
sly cove
are you sure you wanna play monodash nem on F02 32 heat
oh right monodash ruins sword
south violet
that's based af but I worry for you
upper juniper
Just do monodash chop
sly cove
is chop a meme
south violet
chop is incredible
sly cove
im concerned with the amount of times its been brought up
last time i checked it was a bottom 3 hammer
sly cove
i mean if gy spin tech was invented its not unimaginable that chop isnt awful but
south violet
last time i checked it was a bottom 3 hammer
it's still a 2-button hammer but as it turns out you only need 1 boon for damage, and no animation on chopp takes as long as the special
sly cove
*bottom 4
upper juniper
I’m going to send the stupidest nem start in a bit once I get past furies
south violet
top 2 sword heat hammer tbh tbh
excuse the shameless plug but this chopp run was silly https://youtu.be/PiKthhkCz28&t=3646
sly cove
sly cove
i thought this was the tier list (ordered except i dont play arthur so idk how good it is)
upper juniper
didnthat come from
sly cove
what
upper juniper
I’ve just never seen that image before
sly cove
yeah cuz i just made it
south violet
i thought this was the tier list (ordered except i dont play arthur so idk how g...
for heat? consecration a peg down, chopp in dedge tier or top of good tier, super nova in useless.
flurry slash in nerfs
south violet
... it's useless?
sly cove
wait is the arthur aura thing tied to special
sly cove
... it's useless?
is the damage loop not special dash strike dash strike
south violet
what about it
sly cove
if supernova does more damage and has bigger radius
south violet
there's no way you're putting that above peaver or breaching or shadow
sly cove
then it is not useless because it increases your damage
south violet
hoarding slash increases your damage too 
sly cove
there's no way you're putting that above peaver or breaching or shadow
oh i meant the bottom tiers were ordered i havent played sword in forever
sly cove
hoarding slash increases your damage too <a:catting:971378711347752970>
no it doesnt
south violet
just have enough money
upper juniper
+3 damage is +3 damage
south violet
🙂
verbal atlas
just hit the affluence 🙂
sly cove
oh that reminds me of those challlenge things
one of them was get as much money as possible
did they leave with nyaanyaa mewmew
upper juniper
I think that was the last one
sly cove
RIPBOZO
upper juniper
why is he circular/rounded 
verbal atlas
image
south violet
https://i.imgur.com/VdW70Mv.png
anyway, more seriously https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1280885571224604758/1396612243575013386/image.png?ex=687eb802&is=687d6682&hm=cc955418b3b3a47447948accbd4377e003e7e28b8ebc6b6be57ced21b6458d57&
south violet
Ok but imagine we find new flurry slash tech
good ol' zeus attack flurry cursed slash memery
upper juniper
It’s clearly just untreaded water
verbal atlas
ares attack dire misfortune scaling 🗣️
upper juniper
Heroic Swift Strike + Flurry PWave
south violet
simply get the boons 
upper juniper
I
haven’t seen an asphodel room yet
that was a chaos into eury into fountain
Oh it was to make up for the fact that the game was going to give me witches
when I haven’t learned the meg set up yet
I’ve been getting around to it
I was going to learn it whenever I go learn pseudotech
south violet
upper juniper
that was a chaos into eury into fountain
Still managed to have a 110 second asphodel
before Lernie
also no Hammer yet
I haven’t seen it
verbal atlas
hammers are fake anyways/j
upper juniper
Is sword
Dedge and Breaching and Pwave are real
Or so I’m told
idk about the plural part of hammers last I checked second hammer wasn’t real
verbal atlas
anvil is though!
sly cove
good ol' zeus attack flurry cursed slash memery
57 heat!
sly cove
when I haven’t learned the meg set up yet
i cant get 4 but i get 3 hits consistently
also does turning off attack at cursor still let it affect meg
upper juniper
I’m so actively bad with sword it’s like the only weapon I regularly leave tart down a dd
There has to be a better way for me to use this weapon
sly cove
That's harder than hitting all 4
idk i just like
go to the closer to the top of the screen island
and then i click somewhere behind the witch over there
and then i meg
ashen garnet
So pleased to have helped rehabilitate chopp (World Splitter) for heat 
It's something like dedge ≤ chopp for zagsword, dedge ≈ chopp for pos and still dedge > chopp for nem
quiet acorn
time to do the same for flurry now
upper juniper
time to do the same for flurry now
False you can find the flurry slash tech that makes it speedrun viable I believe in you
or heat viable
delicate knoll
just get a heroic swift strike 🔥
quiet acorn
nosorry sword sucsk
broken echo
I’ve been trying to sub9 with it for ages
Bruh just spam some tdash nem runs
upper juniper
Bruh just spam some tdash nem runs
I was.
upper juniper
Bruh just spam some tdash nem runs
Oh and I did get a 9:00.44
broken echo
Oh and I did get a 9:00.44 <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Oh fire
upper juniper
I
will keep trying
I’ve put off bow sub9 for last because I figure I might as well learn pseudotech atp
verbal atlas
allows you to shoot bow faster by animation cancelling(i forgot exactly if its animation cancelling or not) to spam min range dash strikes
upper juniper
Pseudo describes it as animation cancelling in his vid explaining it
verbal atlas
never really learned pseudotech so going off parts i remember doing when learning lol
upper juniper
as far as I can tell you can animation cancel the end part of a strike -> a special and then animation cancel that special into another strike but I’m actually a little confused by the vid
This actually looks fairly uncomplicated
mmmm it I knew it was going to be this short I wouldn’t’ve put it off lemme get a handle on this in the courtyard
Ykw I found was odd was as far as I know
high heat bow records weren’t touched by pseudotech being discovered
I could’ve sworn the last time I checked the leaderboards, zag and heras heat records for unmodded and modded were both set before it was “discovered”
verbal atlas
its mostly a speeds thing as doing it can leave you kinda vulnerable, its more of a thing that you can do, not necessarily a constant
upper juniper
Oh.
I just realised why he had his moveset binded that way
💔
Moving dash might break my brain idk about that one
forest token
what is pseudotech
On top of the other explanations, you can apply this to spear spin, but namely guan yu
Which is why guan Yu can clear 64
It's much easier and evident on guan yu
sly cove
ah
quiet acorn
its mostly a speeds thing as doing it can leave you kinda vulnerable, its more o...
and heat
verbal atlas
that too yeah
ashen garnet
Anyone tried pushing pseudotech AthenaExplo by any chance ?
Kinda curious how viable it is dps/survivability-wise
Been trying something roughly similar with eupper Athena yet it has lower frequency and it's already pretty decent
south violet
Anyone tried pushing pseudotech AthenaExplo by any chance ?
Kinda curious how vi...
explosive does not lack additive damage, the real issue is what you do with it. best options are zeus attack (for DC and savior enemies) and artemis (crit chance to pair with the high additive)
In my time doing unmodded 50 I do not remember what attack was put on there except for those two mattering too much. +300% is a lot, as it turns out.
ashen garnet
specifically asking about athena deflect safety with pseudotech then
south violet
similar concept to chopp sword, not too bad
sly cove
oh does chop use pseudotech
south violet
no 😔
south violet
no it'd be pseudotech but applied to sword
alexcatech is arguably using casts when pseudoteching instead of special 
upper juniper
alexcatech is arguably using casts when pseudoteching instead of special <:Kapp:...
❤️
upper juniper
no it'd be pseudotech but applied to sword
find new tech then
sly cove
i hate archers
just lost a god run (got purple attack and aphro special and jolted and athena call)
AND +76 hp from chaos
quiet acorn
wat r u running
sly cove
wat r u running
luci
upper juniper
See there’s your problem
sly cove
em3 ap2 ri0
upper juniper
you aren’t running zag sword
sly cove
luci is peak
quiet acorn
50?
quiet acorn
yea do ri
sly cove
no
sly cove
ri1 ap1 js3 cp0
i dont think this maths out
quiet acorn
o right
upper juniper
please advise me how this gets to 50 with cp0
Cp0, js0, em4
sly cove
js3 is cooked too bro i just died to tart witches
upper juniper
Ap1 into two roiling chaos boons
upper juniper
but i do have a special boon so
See I think zeus strike is your problem
You should be play super soaker
For real results
sly cove
ok i need to work on my lerine dodging
going in with a viable build and tooth and dying is not a good look
upper juniper
going in with a viable build and tooth and dying is not a good look
Lernie tax is real
south violet
https://i.imgur.com/7OpA7p7.jpeg
there's an experimental pact where you AP0 RI0 EM4 and then look for rod + bonus dashes
will require you to learn EM4 to some extent but most of the work can probably be done through rod
sly cove
there's an experimental pact where you AP0 RI0 EM4 and then look for rod + bonus...
no thanks
em4 is cooked
warm osprey
Gentlemen
First of all, dead chat XD
Second of all, been playing the game for a nice while, and can say I'm interested in ramping up the heat a little
So like, which weapons do you think are suitable for 64 :)
Apart from the bow and the zeus shield that have already been done because I ain't no copycat
upper juniper
Apart from the bow and the zeus shield that have already been done because I ain...
Add guan-yu to that list
also only rama has been done for bows
warm osprey
Add guan-yu to that list
Oh a third one was done?
Didn't see that one
And I thought Guan-yu was hot garbage
warm osprey
also only rama has been done for bows
Well I don't like bows anyways
upper juniper
it’s the only other aspect that has done it, w/ the speedrun modpack though (which is a modpack designed to reduce the rng for runners who don’t want to waste as much of their time resetting)
upper juniper
Well I don't like bows anyways
tbh the closest other aspect to working is probably zag shield
iirc from the conversation I had the other day
warm osprey
it’s the only other aspect that has done it, w/ the speedrun modpack though (whi...
Is it uhh, legit and stuff?
warm osprey
tbh the closest other aspect to working is probably zag shield
Figured that much
quiet acorn
Is it uhh, legit and stuff?
its the standard
warm osprey
its the standard
What does it do? Lets you select the boon you start with?
upper juniper
And other similiar stuff
warm osprey
Ah so I wouldn't have to torture myself
upper juniper
Yeah
warm osprey
Curious how there aren't more of those H64 runs despite the existence of it
Is it just a skill issue?
upper juniper
Is it just a skill issue?
64 is insanely hard
There are literally like 3 people who have completed it
warm osprey
If the RNG is out of the way it's closer to a skill check, no?
upper juniper
“If the rng is out of the way” the modpack doesn’t handle everything
warm osprey
Unless you get 3 of those skull rooms in Tartarus and waste 3 minutes on them
upper juniper
And after proving a weapon works modded, some runners have aimed instead to do it unmodded after
warm osprey
“If the rng is out of the way” the modpack doesn’t handle everything
Perhaps you're right, I over-estimated it
warm osprey
And after proving a weapon works modded, some runners have aimed instead to do i...
As in, perfect RNG with mods I'd assume?
warm osprey
And there's only the GY under that?
quiet acorn
Add guan-yu to that list
bro forgot eris
upper juniper
prior to rama and zeus unmodded
upper juniper
yep
upper juniper
Oh shi' the gun can do it too?
Rail handles dc2 really well
actually all the weapons that have do a good job w/ dc2
quiet acorn
say this to someone 2 years ago their head would explode
warm osprey
Yeah that's what's been stressing me
warm osprey
I was thinking Arthur high heat but like
:(
It's finna take 3 buisness days to break the blue hearts
warm osprey
trying to do 64 rn
Nah just brainstorming which one to try later
upper juniper
arthur has done 60
Was it not uploaded to either modded or unmodded leaderboard
warm osprey
I reached 22 on Fists last time I played
Which, I know, 22H player discussing 64
delicate knoll
Was it not uploaded to either modded or unmodded leaderboard
warm osprey
https://discord.com/channels/940392249844465694/1217110989242241094/139037795955...
It says unknown, is it a private server?
upper juniper
Hades Speedrunning server
warm osprey
Is there a link here?
delicate knoll
lemme just grab the pic
upper juniper
the pin is in self promo
delicate knoll
warm osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1217110989242241094/1390377959239585852/i...
SO DC WAS INDEED THE PROBLEM
Lmao
62 is likely torture because it's really slow
upper juniper
Or without stubborn
warm osprey
Yeah
No
Probably impossible
Unless there is a good AoE spammable spell
Not that knowledgeable in the game
upper juniper
Smouldering air dio or zeus call would be too much to ask with ap2
warm osprey
Ap2?
upper juniper
Unless there is a good AoE spammable spell
tbf for 90% of gameplay this is tidal dash
delicate knoll
arthur needs divine dash too much
upper juniper
approval process 2 removes 2 of your options at every boon/pom/hammer
warm osprey
tbf for 90% of gameplay this is tidal dash
I discovered it today
I was sleeping on a dash that did 100 damage
Running aspect of nemesis
Low heat but looked promising
warm osprey
Has self heal for.. whatever that counts for
Probably taking that hammer makes you get 1-tapped anyways
upper juniper
Yeah
Cursed Slash is not the play because you just end up in 1-2 tap range for the entire run
warm osprey
Zamn
That's.. unhealthy
ba dum tss
Will probably look towards nemesis
I love my fists but they have bad mobility :(
upper juniper
I love my fists but they have bad mobility :(
I literally feel the opposite like
fists feel so much easier to use and I’m like 90% sure it’s because I lack the precision after the first dstrike
fists has a very wide dstrike so the 2nd consecutive one needs less precision
sword has a very narrow one, so it needs like 8* more precision on the switchback
warm osprey
fists feel so much easier to use and I’m like 90% sure it’s because I lack the p...
Dstrike?
delicate knoll
dash strike
warm osprey
fists has a very wide dstrike so the 2nd consecutive one needs less precision
It's like, it doesn't feel like it hits as hard as let's say the sword
If I can get the artemis crit on attacks
45%, spam attacks to see enemies explode
You also move between attacks and can dash while using special
Meanwhile fists need you standing still, or thats my experience at least
upper juniper
no
every melee weapon pretty much primarily dstrikes
aside from shield then you bash a bunch
sword goes dstrike 2x -> special -> repeat
fists is dstrike -> dstrike -> and special sometimes
warm osprey
I like squeezing in a couple of attacks between, probably due to skill issue
upper juniper
oh it’s going to happen for sure but you are primarily dstriking
warm osprey
fists is dstrike -> dstrike -> and special sometimes
You still need to attack a bunch to trigger demeter
upper juniper
you can do some standing strikes in the time between dash cooldowns
if you aren’t going to d-upper off the same dash
warm osprey
You just described my playstyle with them
I'm bad at explaining
Anyways I've been cheesing my way up to H22 with Athena boons
Deflect attacks-dash and just facetank the whole game
upper juniper
You just described my playstyle with them
Fists is like
20 seconds in
And I’m not sure if Jazz has pseudotech down bow here
I don’t have a good eye for pseudotech
upper juniper
Anyways I've been cheesing my way up to H22 with Athena boons
I mean tbf fists best build and one of swords best builds takes those too
Merciful End
Curse of Agony/Divine Flourish/Divine Dash
upper juniper
great strat
warm osprey
Merciful End <:tizomg:456913427588317184>
Thats the funny thing
I literally never found it
Because I never take the special ares thing
upper juniper
wdym
You can literally just have ares on strike and athena on special
and you’re fine
that’s all you need for pre-reqs to get the boon
warm osprey
I have Athena on strike 95% of the time
warm osprey
And never take ares special
warm osprey
backwards ahh
Somehow made it to 22 🥀
upper juniper
Reversiful End (athena strike Ares special) isn’t really good you don’t need to take ares on special
upper juniper
The main reason Merciful End works is because you can take divine dash and then you can dash-strike into enemies to hit them with doom and deflect at the same time
Reversiful End loses that ability cuz your doom is on special
warm osprey
Yeah relized that
Thought on Arthur
The big slash was the most useful part of it
But in the video it shows dstrikes only?
upper juniper
But in the video it shows dstrikes only?
dstrikes fast and consistent
big slash is good too but Jazz decided not to for the vid tbh
warm osprey
Very cool video ngl
upper juniper
if you looked at the chiron rotation she also played it like discount zagbow 
upper juniper
Very cool video ngl
It’s really nice for helping some ppl with their weapons
I forgot I had the link until like literally 30s before I sent it
warm osprey
Beowulf also looks.. surprisingly capable
upper juniper
Yeah and it doesn’t even have charged shot for the video
upper juniper
especially with dc2 in the picture
the speed is less capable
actually you want to know some really interesting info about Beowulf
compared to the other shields
I just learned this like a week ago
the other shields block is like a cone in front of you
but Beo’s is like a 150° angle trending towards zags right
warm osprey
Right?
upper juniper
his right side
warm osprey
upper juniper
where he holds the shield
warm osprey
Oh it logical
upper juniper
you can see how he literally holds the shield to block differently
warm osprey
I thought he held it in front of himself
upper juniper
with the other shields he holds it straight in front of him
when charging the rush
with beo he holds it closer to his side
warm osprey
Well that's gonna cause problemas I suppose? Dashing straight into shots and the such
warm osprey
especially with dc2 in the picture
If that can be somehow fixed, like an early athena dash or something
Maaaaybe?
upper juniper
hh
Speed and dps are the main reason zag shield has a higher max heat than beo
Beo has great dps for speedrunning but between losing the mirror and ap2 you actually lose so much dps
verbal atlas
doubtful still imo bc you want the attack start still for safety and damage, unless you did shackle start and then gambled on ddash start? ig you could also try for dio dash for dc2 removal or smthn
warm osprey
Speed and dps are the main reason zag shield has a higher max heat than beo
62? I'd assume?
upper juniper
yeah
warm osprey
The "I dont hate myself" level of commitment
upper juniper
Zeus 64 zag 62 chaos 61 beo 60
elder garnet
no one talks about using the first at high heat and I am so confused about that. The fists are my best and fastest weapon, I suck with the bow and rail.
warm osprey
I respect that, but my ADHD wont let me
upper juniper
no one talks about using the first at high heat and I am so confused about that....
Melee suffers a lot at high high heat
Dem Fists has a 60 thou
elder garnet
I just finished heat 32 with it no prob
upper juniper
I just finished heat 32 with it no prob
heat difficulty spikes expontentially though
warm osprey
Yeah can see that
I'd say in 40's is still doable
Keep the mirror and your choices
The rest is just a harder game
elder garnet
no I wont be going anyhigher with anything lol, its my highest heat weapon and I only got to 16 before I skipped to 32
south violet
Dem Fists has a 60 thou
Two now, mysterra gave it like 2 attempts and cleared 💀
warm osprey
But once you take away choices, and Revives-healing-damage from mirror lvl 1-3
Heat 64 becomes nigh impossible
upper juniper
Personally I don’t think 40 is an agregious step up for 32
I think after 40 the remaining options are all like
aggrivating
elder garnet
64? faints
warm osprey
Anyways can someone like, tell me what the modpack does
Or tell me to go read/watch something that explains it
upper juniper
Anyways can someone like, tell me what the modpack does
guaranteed epic starting boon with 4 choices, first hammer is guaranteed to be what you want iirc, removes barge/tiny rat minibosses, ensures that your styx bag is always in the second tunnel you go down
I can’t remember anything aside from that
verbal atlas
guaranteed epic starting boon with 4 choices, first hammer is guaranteed to be w...
epic is with non leaderboard legal addition
upper juniper
I don’t play modded myself bc I’m on switch
ah
I figured the epic just went hand in hand with reducing resets
verbal atlas
nope!
warm osprey
guaranteed epic starting boon with 4 choices, first hammer is guaranteed to be w...
That's so insanely nice
verbal atlas
also removes minotaur, shows which chamber contains fountain
upper juniper
@elder garnet when people say unmodded x it’s usually referring to not using the speedrun modpack
that we’re
talking about rn
warm osprey
also removes minotaur, shows which chamber contains fountain
ASTERIUS?!
upper juniper
I saw your message in boasting
warm osprey
Can I keep him? He's kinda nice
hoary pasture
You can
upper juniper
That's so insanely nice
Tbf for speedrunning a lot of this is just instant timeloss if you rng into it compared to a run that doesn’t
verbal atlas
slower for speeds, and is far more difficult for high heat
elder garnet
<@214167699826147330> when people say unmodded x it’s usually referring to not u...
thanks for explaining. I see you.
warm osprey
slower for speeds, and is far more difficult for high heat
Oh yeah, the extra elite
Yeah maybe I dont want to keep him
upper juniper
His miniboss fight is so much longer than bball
warm osprey
And I assume the modpack is also legal for H64 runs
upper juniper
Well
warm osprey
I dont assume someone said it already
upper juniper
For both speedrunning and high heat
verbal atlas
they are catagorized seperately
warm osprey
Maybe I'll do it afterall :)
upper juniper
You’re never competing as an unmodded player against a modded player
upper juniper
Yeah but the high heat leaderboards start at 50 heat
warm osprey
I understand ppl who do less, I get it
upper juniper
it’s nice to see what other weapons get up to
I wouldn’t be able to tell you zag shield has a 62 modded otherwise
upper juniper
charged flight beo my beloved
verbal atlas
didnt cheesy recently get a 64 modded with first boon epic?
warm osprey
Which weapon?
verbal atlas
rama
regal delta
You can get to 54 heat?! HOW DO YOU FUNCTION
warm osprey
You can get to 54 heat?! HOW DO YOU FUNCTION
You don't, you pray
regal delta
warm osprey
Adamant rail hidden aspect looks promising
verbal atlas
also modded wise, playad has a bunch of 64h
upper juniper
most of them do post of youtube to put the links in the spreadsheet
warm osprey
UNMODDED took the views from 2k to 70k
verbal atlas
You can get to 54 heat?! HOW DO YOU FUNCTION
lots of practice and time spent playing, some of it is rng checking but at 54 its not that bad/can be assisted with rng reliance removed by using em4 (but then you have to do em4 )
warm osprey
Crazy work
upper juniper
UNMODDED took the views from 2k to 70k
Most people don’t know what modded means tbf
upper juniper
So when you see “modded 64” and aren’t in the know, those mods could be literally whatever
warm osprey
Other terms couldve been used
Since I personally imagined modded meand they just, play whatever they want lmao
warm osprey
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/795659377755422742/1206133674957864970/im...
Beating H64 with this and submitting it
upper juniper
I think the funniest mods are the ones where it’s like “we all know bow is the worst weapon in game, so here’s a mod where we buff it” from June 2021 or something
a) blatantly wrong
b) the buffs are always insanely overkill for what they’re aiming for anyways
warm osprey
Where is the lifesteal coming from
upper juniper
guan-yu spin
upper juniper
innately
warm osprey
Zamn
warm osprey
High DPS too
I assume the spin has high dps
Was thinking of doing Gilgamesh
For the 2 extra dashes
delicate knoll
Was thinking of doing Gilgamesh
For the 2 extra dashes
garbage dps, won't beat the timer
warm osprey
But dc2 :(
upper juniper
more like its dps isn’t as hindered by ri4 and ap2 as other weapons
while it’s still able to beat dc2 thanks to spin
warm osprey
It does hit for a fine amount
I'd imagine not enough to clear the timer
But it looks so cool man :(
upper juniper
Problem is at 64 heat dad has like
50-60k hp iirc
Ik his third phase isn’t a full 17k base but I don’t recall what it is
elder garnet
I absolutly hate the bow and all other ranged weapons. I have one trick and thats a dash-strike.
warm osprey
Wait if GY can pull off 25 HP shouldn't be a similiar situation with Nemesis?
Cursed slash
verbal atlas
cursed slash isnt as consistent with healing and isnt able to provide distance (not really a sword player myself) i want to say that is possibly a start but i believe the far more prevalent idea is to get chop (world splitter)
verbal atlas
I absolutly hate the bow and all other ranged weapons. I have one trick and that...
for playing bow, you mainly want to be dash striking, understandable if you dont like ranges though
verbal atlas
Wiki says it only affects HP when taking it
then you would have to gamble on it being second hammer due to ap2 i personally dont really see the vision
elder garnet
for playing bow, you mainly want to be dash striking, understandable if you dont...
really? is that how yall think its so OP? But dash interupts the attack?
warm osprey
cursed slash isnt as consistent with healing and isnt able to provide distance (...
It doesnt activate on dstrikes :(
I'm dissapointed
Dreams shattered
verbal atlas
really? is that how yall think its so OP? But dash interupts the attack?
dash strike has a faster charge time than standing strike
its less base damage but a lot safer to use
elder garnet
its less base damage but a lot safer to use
that actually makes sense. So dash-strake really IS always the right answer
verbal atlas
pretty much, only exception to this is gilga fist where you want to do standing strikes (and maybe another weapon/aspect im just not thinking of)
shy plinth
I guess non-ME gilga
elder garnet
blinks anything with the fistsWANT a dash-stike, thats why I am only good at THAT weapon lol
verbal atlas
not really a fist player myself, so going off of second hand experience and seeing others play
shy plinth
I mean gilga should probably be ME
But if you're not doing ME then the standing strikes do so much more damage
warm osprey
What does ME mean?
shy plinth
Merciful End
warm osprey
Oh
elder garnet
oh my bad
verbal atlas
at low heat yeah, but high heat not so much, too unreliable to actually hit tbh
elder garnet
I thought ME meant Malphon... granted Im dyslexic and cant spell anyway but now I type it out...
shy plinth
But standing strikes do have pretty decent damage output
warm osprey
I mean gilga is not exactly a bastion of high heat either
Swapped fast speed low damage for the opposite 🥀
verbal atlas
I mean gilga is not exactly a bastion of high heat either
td0 for gilga high heat
shy plinth
Yikes lol
south violet
garbage dps, won't beat the timer
Garbage DPS, garbage dash cooldown bug, slow animations 👍
(Hi I beat gilga 50 thrice AMA)
hoary pasture
I thought we were racing
Looks like I lost before even trying
Pretty good for me tbh
sly cove
I guess non-ME gilga
you mean dash only?
upper juniper
Wiki says it only affects HP when taking it
Ngl it’s been so long since I used cursed that I can’t confirm this but that sounds really wrong
the fandom wiki is not 100% accurate
Throughout the revamps they do and whatnot I still find errors
upper juniper
Wiki says it only affects HP when taking it
Actually I can confirm this because my more “literally ripped from the code” source says that it does
being
which also lines up w/ memory
upper juniper
that actually makes sense. So dash-strake really IS always the right answer
Dash-striking also offers the potential to do way more damage due to chaos dstrike buffs
D-strikes deal 66% of the damage at max charge but take 66% of the time so it’s the same base damage output
neon sphinx
D-strikes deal 66% of the damage at max charge but take 66% of the time so it’s ...
With more mobility at that
upper juniper
How do u hit 3
left prism
do you not know the set up thingie
upper juniper
do you not know the set up thingie
I haven’t learned any of them yet
left prism
damn
upper juniper
I typically don’t even do one for witches cuz I don’t know it but I was like eh they’re all pretty bunched up