h1-high-heat-strategies

[smoky socket]

will do! thank you

[forest token]

retrash is the person you want to watch for "how tf do you clear with that"

max heat runs are what you want to watch for "how tf did you clear that" lmao

[shy plinth]

Well said

[torn ferry]

Oh funny I just got my sub10 clear with hades spear

with serrated point

because I didn't like going explosive/charged skewer

Artemis/Zeus is very solid

can also use dionysus

[smoky socket]

where would i put him?

[torn ferry]

big frustration is dad going "Darkness !" clears the mark

[torn ferry]

call

100% call

[smoky socket]

dope, thank you

[torn ferry]

nothing else

eventually cast, but then you're not playing hades spear. You're playing achilles but stinky

[left prism]

Smair dio is nice

[torn ferry]

hard to get though

just the call + splitting headache is way good enough

if you want smair, might as well go for zeus call

and play aspect of lightning rod

[rugged hinge]

did someone say doable and (insert something heat related) in the same sentence

64 is doable with any aspect

[grim knot]

Js1 or cp1?

For hera, I'm struggling a bit with td

[shy plinth]

Both of those will slow you down

What heat and what's your pact/mirror?

[grim knot]

40

[shy plinth]

JS for sure

Wouldn't take CP before like 50

[grim knot]

Alright

Mirror is pretty standard except ps

[shy plinth]

Why PS?

[grim knot]

Demeter attack

[shy plinth]

Why demeter attack lol

[grim knot]

Well it's big %

Demeter is good for snow burst

And chill is actually decent for bosses i think

[shy plinth]

I mean demeter is fine but forcing it and not having a fam fave boost until you get online seems a little tough to justify if you're having timer troubles

I thought the go-to for hera was usually to take aphrodite cast, which means you often aim slightly in front of your target anyway

[forest token]

if you're struggling for time, dont take pstatus

speedrunners take fam favs instead of pstatus

also what's your pact

[grim knot]

ok, i just think it's fun to see the ps sign

um pact is

[torn ferry]

based

[grim knot]

hs5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs td3

[shy plinth]

Seems like a reasonable 40 pact to me

[grim knot]

i can normally make time but not always

[forest token]

yeah that's pretty normal

i take ap1 over cf2 for 40 but that's personal preference lmao

[grim knot]

sometimes those extra health enemies show up which is really slow

[shy plinth]

Yeah, I mean 40 is hard and sometimes you don't get there with hera

[grim knot]

what would you recommend

[shy plinth]

But also I'd guess that if you find time pressure in tartarus that fam fave is the way to go to mitigate that

You can 40 with hera just fine

Will take practice and definitely recommend tweaking some stuff to see how your results change with minor adjustments, but your pact is a good one already

So sounds like it's just a question of reps

[torn ferry]

just saw the 62 heat clear in the other channel

and

HOW THE B&D RI4 IS ONLY TWO HEAT ???

[chilly vessel]

each level of ri is 2 heat

which is frankly absurd

you're telling me ri1 is lower difficulty as em3

[torn ferry]

it really makes no sense

even that, like

each RI gives the same heat

I don't play RI so I can't be sure about it, but RI1, RI3 and RI4 are much harder than RI2, right ?

[chilly vessel]

ri2 cuts extra hp, extra money, and fam fav

it hurts but not as valuable as foresight/rr, extra dash, or defiances

[rugged hinge]

it hurts more than others

no gold touch

[forest token]

Which 62 heat clear lmao

[torn ferry]

#h1-victory-boasting message

[forest token]

Oh lmao gamer

[haughty slate]

the site says forced overtime by its self is enough for 3 heat

but its not

it only fills by 2

what the easiest 3 heat??

[left prism]

?? forced overtime is def 3 heat

[haughty slate]

ok now its 3

???

the feck

[left prism]

did you turn on another pact by accident

[haughty slate]

idk

maby

[chilly vessel]

EDIT: *tight deadline gives 1/2/3 heat depending on rank

[shy plinth]

I don't think that's true

Fo only has two ranks

Both are 3

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/ feel free to check here

[chilly vessel]

wait

i meant td

[shy plinth]

There we go lol

[chilly vessel]

idk how i misread those that badly

[vapid rapids]

I've seen the 32 heat guides, but is there one for just getting to 16 heat?

[forest token]

The spreadsheet thing has 16 heat on it

For pact

For mirror, it's gonna be the same except you'd use death defiance over stubborn defiance

The builds will be the same

[vapid rapids]

oh okay, thank you

[sterile cape]

How much heat is a clear considered a good performance? (for an average person lol)

[left prism]

For purposes of this chat is aimed for 32+

But tbh most people don't really use heat so be proud of whatever

[sterile cape]

12 now haha. Ok I'll target 32 first 😎 But I go +1 every run until 20 for titan blood so it's not for now

[rugged hinge]

be like me and jump out of boredom

[sterile cape]

What do you mean

[forest token]

instead of going up 1 every run, skip heats

[rugged hinge]

jump 20+ heat like me😎

[broken echo]

If you’re going for bounties like that, don’t trade ambrosia for blood. You run out of uses for blood before those for ambrosia

Same with diamonds

[forest token]

iirc i ran out of uses for ambrosia before titan blood lmao

[bleak grotto]

Quantity of blood required >> ambrosia, yeah?

[left prism]

Yeah

Even with all prophecies/bounties you need some fishing/trade for blood iirc

[sterile cape]

I've traded some ambrosia for blood maybe 5-6 to get my Demeter fists at max

Now Im just farming both blood and ambrosia

Dont necessarily need at the moment so I will see what happens

[tacit flicker]

Same here. I mean u probably just gona level up Shady (for early/mid game darkness farming) and Battie anyway unless you really like some other companions. So trading few ambrosias into blood just seems like the right thing to do for faster runs & farming. At least that's what i'm doing now for that 1 extra hell mode heat

Also hi all 👋 Been lurking here a while

[quiet acorn]

whats a 40 pact without lc4 or em4

hl5 sounds like it sucks without stubborn

[chilly vessel]

If you're going stubborn why not pick lc4

[quiet acorn]

he doesnt even have stubborn

this is for my friend

[wispy blade]

mirror refund:

[quiet acorn]

not worth for a funny

[wispy blade]

20 seconds

[chilly vessel]

Add ap1 i guess

[quiet acorn]

yeah i got upto 36 but getting to 40 will be annoying

[chilly vessel]

Or cf2

[wispy blade]

then do lc4 with dd

[quiet acorn]

:dread:

[wispy blade]

it’s 40

[chilly vessel]

Be better

[wispy blade]

it’s literally just 32

but again

maybe do like hl5 cf2 js3 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap1 td3

[quiet acorn]

hs :Dread:

[wispy blade]

lc1 then

[quiet acorn]

i wouldnt wish that on my worst enemy

[wispy blade]

just get sd

[quiet acorn]

true

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1197776493279969341/image.png?ex=65bc7f49&is=65aa0a49&hm=82946be9b87dfbbed1e70ff9592dc0a76dbe95c23819ac2d4bc9ea82b13b2671&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=635&height=670

you could take js2 instead of ap1 or something

various levels of js to compensate for stuff you dont want

you can also go up to lc2

i'm assuming your friend is gonna use eris again so dc2 is free

[quiet acorn]

hl5 lc1 sounds like suicide

i got him to reset mirror for 1 roll 12% pride and stubborn

lc4 should be fine

[forest token]

welp that works

but like

lc1 isn't that different from lc0 lmao

it's not gonna be that much different from their 32 clear

realistically speaking the only major difference is ap1

and hl5 i guess but also every 40 pact has hl5

[quiet acorn]

2024 goal to learn em4 and do eris 60

[wispy blade]

why

just do em3

[quiet acorn]

:dread:

[rugged hinge]

just
https://clipchamp.com/watch/mkwKkn1EVgw

[chilly vessel]

For fists am i supposed to just spam ME

Reseting for epic doom is

[quiet acorn]

Depends on the heat

[chilly vessel]

Im playing 32 rn

Ik it's pretty low but still

[quiet acorn]

ME works

[forest token]

ME works and is reliable as long as you don't have AP lmao

[quiet acorn]

Real gamers get me on ap2

[forest token]

True

[sterile cape]

I first tried all heat levels easy until 19 and 19 I failed 4-5 times lol I’m so sh*t

[sterile cape]

So lasting consequences, basically we cant regen at all?

[somber kraken]

if it's lc4 yeah

but stuff that increases your max health(centaur heart) will still heal you

gyan yu spins can still heal you

and that one hermes boon still works

[sterile cape]

Yeah Ive made a run with taking a lot of hp max

But hydra took me two lives, I'm really bad on the alternative map lol. And mid boss bull finished the work

[ashen garnet]

Zeus atk comfy and less reset heavy (unless you want splitting)

[torn ferry]

If LC4, use stubborn defiance instead of death defiance. Much more consistent

[rugged hinge]

these work:
stubborn roots
all death defiances(works with touch of styx and athena boon)
all max health increases
chaos refunding your health(from atrophic curse)
gy spin
quick recovery
these do not work:
fountain
food(note: troves do drop food, its just not visible sometimes because it drops on you)
all hydralites

food comes from:
eye of lamia
feather duster
troves
sunken treasure
nourished soul
bouldy

[grim knot]

uc pain

https://imgur.com/a/b2ZetSh

[ashen garnet]

works too:

• draining cutter
• cursed slash

[rugged hinge]

oh yeah those

(i forgot they existed)

[upper juniper]

Bevause they don’t

[true solstice]

Does anyone have any tips on which conditions to use for heat 32?

[quiet acorn]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[true solstice]

Cool, thanks a lot, I'll give it a read

I made it to Hades a few times, but haven't beaten him yet

[quiet acorn]

using stubborn or death defiance?

[true solstice]

Death defiance

[rare mountain]

I started trying 32 heat and I just made it to champions... and holy crap, it's so much harder on fo2

[shy plinth]

Oh yes

Asterius in particular is a real jerk on fo2

[rare mountain]

YEAH

Like

I thought I had a pretty good setup with epic aphro atk, epic arty special and divine dash, and I went out of my way to get centaur hearts and some buffs to SD because athena wasn't offering good stuff and I got absolutely stomped lol

[shy plinth]

Just gotta get used to it - it's a hard fight and FO2 really amps up the boss difficulty where you have to engage with the mechanics again

I remember very clearly ramping up heat on DDs and thinking I could just face tank whatever in the teens and early 20s

Then the FO hits and it's a wake-up call

Precision of movement is necessary and you really want to make sure you interact with what they're doing instead of just trying to output damage and facetank through it

[forest token]

what aspect is this btw

by the build it seems like either nem, hestia, or some other non-meta aspect

[sinful zodiac]

or just tank it with CF2 LC2 with DD like a gigachad

non EM4 dad is free

[rugged hinge]

you have yet to experience fo2 em4 with 2 basket balls and a sneak

[sterile cape]

Ok time to have a break for speedrunning and finally unlock that 32 heat statue

I've checked your build Banana, but I guess that except for the suggested pact, I'll keep doing what Im doing in speedrun :x

[forest token]

i mean tbh the only hard part on the pact for you is em3

practicing with fo2 em3 will help a lot if you want to do practice runs

[sterile cape]

I was thinking of customizing it for EM2 haha

[forest token]

otherwise you'd have to allocate 6 heat elsewhere, which can be a huge pain in the ass

[sterile cape]

Cause I'm really bad with EM

[forest token]

oh for em2 then it's not as bad

the 3 heat would probably go into like

hard labor

and/or damage control

[sterile cape]

Damage control is annoying to clear enemies fast though

[forest token]

damage control shafts your ability to tag certain enemies with doom and run, you'll have to punch them a bit

[forest token]

yeah but you're a consistent like sub12 runner

[sterile cape]

Yes

[forest token]

the extra time shouldn't impact you that much imo

[sterile cape]

Ok I'll try

I have my lunch break in 15mn (yes Im at work xd)

And gooooo

[forest token]

try adding dc2 and hl1 instead of em3 and see what happens lmao

with the fo2 pact, you'll be up at hl2 so it shouldn't be that bad

[sterile cape]

I've already made a few runs of heat 32 and failed. Maybe 2 or 3

[forest token]

where'd you fail?

[sterile cape]

But I cant remember what pact I put, it was last week (feels like ages ago already)

I dont remember haha

I think boss

[forest token]

oh lmao fair enough

you should be fine with the substitution tho

[sterile cape]

Benefit package is also so annoying lol

[forest token]

oh yeah definitely

[sterile cape]

Also I think I had a problem with tight deadline

But I improved since then

[forest token]

well that was last week before you started speedrunning lmao

[sterile cape]

So lets see

[forest token]

i'm sure you'll be fine

[sterile cape]

No I started already but PB 13.34 I think at that time

[forest token]

oh lmao

well you've improved

should be relatively easy for you

[sterile cape]

Now if I do 13.34 it's a real bad time

[forest token]

as long as you get the build at least

[sterile cape]

I've done 12.3x this morning with 5 rooms Styx

[forest token]

zap fists deals with dc2 better and is less rng reliant, but doesnt have nearly the same firepower as ME

both are very doable tho

[sterile cape]

But I havent trained with ZAP so Im a bit lazy to try haha

[forest token]

fair enough

zap fists relies more on the full punch combo for damage and you dash for iframes more or less

it's safer than ME in that sense, but ME just deletes enemies, which is also safe lol

just use whatever you feel like, it'll probably be fine

[sterile cape]

Ye and I might just reset if I dont like the run xd

Moment of truth in 10mn

[forest token]

that works lmao

[warm dagger]

Zap fist is good almost immediately where ME is something that you kind of have to work towards.

[forest token]

zap fists needs static discharge to be good

[sterile cape]

Right but my advantage is that I've practiced ME for 1 week or more already

[forest token]

ME is fine without the duo until lernie

[sterile cape]

(Hours a day)

[forest token]

going into ely without the duo is a huge pain in the ass but doable

i did 40 without ME until like ely midboss (got bull)

also on zag fists so i had no extra dps lmao

totally doable just not fun

[sterile cape]

I feel like I have no skill for this game in terms of difficulty

What brought me to heat 20 easily is just the overpowered build xd

[warm dagger]

All I know is that ME is bae.

[sterile cape]

Ye I wonder how well I'd do without ME

[upper juniper]

Bananas who are the big highheat spear players

I don’t think I’ve ever heard of a single one

But I have a massive skill issue with spear

[warm dagger]

Go Talos Poseidon and make Yo Yos.

[sterile cape]

I havent tried heat levels between 21 and 31, I feel like it's a bit useless?

[forest token]

aether did 60 guan yu
some other guy did 60 achilles
both of them are chinese players lmao

you can always just like

look at angel's runs tbh lmao

[upper juniper]

It is useless tbh

[forest token]

she's prob done all spears at some high heat

[warm dagger]

Idk about high Heat but Astaos is really really good with GY ME.

[sterile cape]

Ye I've only made it to 20 for the titan blood and ambrosia lol

[forest token]

oh mysterra did hades spear a bit ago too and they did pretty well with serrated

[upper juniper]

Spear feels like it should be easier

But it isn’t

[forest token]

kinda yeah
in that range, the best thing to do is probably just train with lc4 SD in prep for 32 heat lmao

[forest token]

it's just too hammer reliant

[upper juniper]

Possibly fo2 as well

[forest token]

dash strikes and standing strikes both kinda suck, special kinda sucks

[upper juniper]

How is it more hammer reliant then fists

[forest token]

anatole's been doing fo2 so they dont really need it

[forest token]

fists dont need a good hammer for dps

fists hammers are like

nice

qol stuff

[upper juniper]

Sorry lemee rephrase

How is fists a better base dps experience

I know it is but not like

Why

[forest token]

because it doesnt need a hammer to feel good lmao

and your preferred hammers dont kill your iframes

[upper juniper]

IG

[forest token]

it's also more intuitive, just hold down the attack and dash strike and whatever

it's just easy to grasp and why a lot of newer players gravitate towards it

[upper juniper]

Yeah but like sword is the same as spear

in that regard

[forest token]

sword still has a dps rotation that works

without the hammer

it's like

not great but you still do it

spear doesn't really have a dps rotation other than like crappy dash strikes

[upper juniper]

Hmm

Does swift strike do anything for flurry spear

[sterile cape]

I'll prep for 32 by doing 32 haha

[upper juniper]

Or is it still bad with flurry

[forest token]

yeah your standing strikes go brrr

there's like not much of a reason to take it but it'll do something at least lmao

[upper juniper]

I had like

heroic ME

And lost to Lernie

At 32 heat

with achilles

[forest token]

why are you doing ME on achilles

[upper juniper]

It’s a melee aspect

I keep getting bad luck with cast builds

So I figured I’d try something new

[forest token]

do attack achilles then not ME

start tidal

grab like arty/aphro/zeus

on the attack

[upper juniper]

aphro on attack 🤨

[forest token]

i mean

good % why not

[upper juniper]

Because spear is like 25

[forest token]

still doable

i think i did that once

also you have tidal dash anyways lmao

[upper juniper]

True

[forest token]

it's not like you need an optimal build lmao

[upper juniper]

I kinda want to do like

Dio

[forest token]

you're not doing a cast build on achilles anyways just grab anything

except dio

just grab his call

[upper juniper]

I’ll save dio strike for zag

[sterile cape]

Im preparing the run

I forgot about that LC sh*t...

Lol Im so bad

I died at Meg

I was overtime also

Too many enemies

[upper juniper]

Are you running jury summons?

[sterile cape]

Whats that

45s to survive?

[upper juniper]

Heta that makes more enemies

heat

[sterile cape]

No

[upper juniper]

[sterile cape]

Ill try the exact pact given in the guide

With HL and no FO let's see

And stubborn defiance also

No Im so bad

Died at Alecto again xd

Ok lost in Asphodel, I dont know why people told me it would be easy after speedrunning xd

So so hard for me, told you Im not skilled it's just ME build haha

[forest token]

are you just getting hit too much?

like not being careful or are you mistiming dashes or something

[sterile cape]

Yes exactly

But I have to go fast too...

[forest token]

nah you dont have to go fast

take your time

[sterile cape]

Well I have 5mn haha

[forest token]

that's enough time for you

tartarus is the only biome you have to kinda rush since it's just long

asphodel is where you'll just naturally get a lot of time back because of how short it is

you can afford to go a bit slower and play safer

when speedrunning, you said your tarts are like ~2:40-3 mins right

[sterile cape]

I have 2.21 PB I think, and 2.4x is already a very good time for me, that's not always

[forest token]

if you take 4 minutes for tart and like 3 minutes for asphodel, that'll bank you 3 extra minutes for elysium
you can afford to take 5-6 minutes in elysium and the rest of the time should be enough for dad as long as you dont get like 5 sacked lmao

you can go fast in tartarus if you want since that's probably easier

in asphodel you wanna go fast but not too fast where you just face tank too much damage lmao

[upper juniper]

If you take 0 minutes fo tart and 0 minutes of asphodel you actually save 10 minutes for cp2 dc2 js3 elysium

[sterile cape]

Also I removed LC

Cause otherwise Im just too bad lol

[forest token]

i'm gonna do a cursed fists run of cp2 dc2 js3 td3 just for you

[upper juniper]

Try lc just lower

[forest token]

what do you plan on replacing it with

[upper juniper]

why fists and not spear

[forest token]

lc2 is doable, the other options to increase heat are like hl

[upper juniper]

[forest token]

i mean i can do spear

i'll do spear then

[sterile cape]

I put FO1 and 15%hp, I think that's it

Ok genius I realized half Tartarus I didnt put the Ares keepsake. No time to start a new run 😢 I'll practice tonight if I can

So frustrating haha, I feel like Im starting the game again. But nvm I'll make it

[forest token]

made it to ely and i have hunting blades from a 5 god pool lmao

+1 cast and purple ambush from chaos

nvm not purple ambush just common

[torn ferry]

CP1 (the 15% HP one) is very bad to take. You will take more damage and lose more HP than what the lack of healing from LC would do. Think about it : any damage you take from enemies with ~15% HP or less is damage from this pact

[sterile cape]

Ok I take your point, i will remove it

So if 32 is not difficult, at what point is it considered to be challenging?

Cause Im already struggling hard haha

[torn ferry]

Challenge is subjective

[shy plinth]

32 is really hard if you haven't done 32 before

It's the biggest in-game accomplishment and it isn't a steam achievement on purpose - most people don't get it

I think for the context of this channel, the biggest difference is that 32 isn't a heat that limits what you can use to be successful - you can use any aspect and clear 32 without really tweaking your pact

40 is probably the end of that road though

[quiet acorn]

although 32 heat is usually a bit easier than what people imagine it to be imo

[shy plinth]

Yeah like it's doable and you can work for it

But I would expect it to require the work from most people

[quiet acorn]

once you clear it your entire perception of its difficulty changes

[shy plinth]

Once you clear it twice

[sterile cape]

Ah ok so the fact that I get destroyed in Tartarus is not abnormal? haha

Cause I read several people who told me "you can speedrun so you just need 2-3 runs". Well nope

[shy plinth]

If you haven't done 32 before I would expect to have to learn it

[sterile cape]

I was so confident xd

[quiet acorn]

happens to everyone 😌

[sterile cape]

Can’t get past the hydra 😭

Wanna give up haha

[torn ferry]

the lernie tax is real and sometimes you don't have enough to pay

[sterile cape]

lol I got patrocle to get all my death defiances back but I lost all my life’s a Theseus cause overtime

I beat him 15.38 lol

Now to the Styx with 100hp no lives 😭

Fck I lost second phase of hades…

Heat 32 runs make me so nervous

[torn ferry]

yeah it happens

sometimes you need to put down the game for a time, touch grass, y'know calm down and be able to get back at it with a clear mind

[sterile cape]

Honestly I played bad vs hades I could’ve won

[sterile cape]

Ok I beat hydra 3 hp left all lives left ME core build completed I’m Soso nervous haha

Playing high heat forces to play so much smarter than speedrun

Lost at Styx, Theseus took me two lives again 😭

[sterile cape]

I wonder if maybe it’s not time to learn zap fists for heat 32

[ashen garnet]

Zeus atk chasing Splitting Bolt v good

Also long knuckles supremacy

[sterile cape]

@forest token just made a run with fo instead on hl, looks easier for me. Well I guess (lost at ely lol). Honestly I don’t play correctly I could do much better. Will try again tomorrow and see…

[forest token]

i thought you were already doing fo2 on your pacts

[sterile cape]

I was trying your other version

[wicked mist]

rail having so few good hammers is kinda poopy

[forest token]

i'm pretty sure rail has like the most good hammers

explosive, seeking, and spread fire are like the ones that actively do nothing or are harmful

although spread fire works on zag rail

ricochet and piercing dont do much except on hestia, then they're good

hazard is unfortunate on eris

[wicked mist]

Yeah, that's true, but there's also such a big difference between cluster/delta runs and not

and those are the only ones I ever win with 😛

[forest token]

i mean you can kinda say that about a lot of hammers on other weapons

like sword only has 1 good hammer

2 usable/decent hammers and the rest either do nothing or are harmful

[wicked mist]

I guess the thing about rail is that the base weapon actively feels terrible to me

and always has

[forest token]

it's probably like the one weapon that doesnt need a hammer to actually have dps lmao

[wicked mist]

yeah, I know, I'm just really bad at it

[forest token]

it do be like that

[wicked mist]

tracking ammo is hard

maybe I should just spam rail runs until it feels comfy

[forest token]

that'd work lmao

[wispy blade]

literally the best amount of good hammers on any weapon

cluster rocket targ triple

hazard on non eris

rico piercing on hestia

delta on non hestia

spread on zag

meanwhile shield has one (1)

sword has 1.5

spear has 1

fists have 0

[torn ferry]

I'd count explosive launcher + charged skewer for spear. Though they kinda need the combo to be truly worth it

Bow also has a few. Twin, triple, point-blank, perfect.

also I'd kindaaaa count explosive return on shield because of zeus shield, but that's a bit specific

you're certainly not taking any special related hammer on something else than zeus shield lol

Except for meme beo runs. If dio flare is not enough for your meme-ish needs

[forest token]

spear also has serrated

[torn ferry]

does it though ? :p

[forest token]

i mean it works

mysterra did it on hades spear

[torn ferry]

fair fair

I personally really like that hammer

got my hadespear sub10 with it

[sterile cape]

Hm hm... Fists.

[wispy blade]

fists has a lot of hammers around the same level

[sterile cape]

What do you mean

[wispy blade]

but like

none of them are as good as the other weps

[wispy blade]

in unmodded u can cope a lto more with hammers on fists

cause its not just breaching or bust

[sterile cape]

LTO = ?

[wispy blade]

u can do like eupper or kin

[wispy blade]

lot but i cant type

[sterile cape]

xd

How many times people mistype and I read it seriously...

What hammer is good then? I take kinetic when I dont have Breaching but... So so.

[wispy blade]

breaching

is the best

[sterile cape]

Ye, apart from that I dont know

[forest token]

Explosive is good too

Long knuckle is good for safety

[sterile cape]

Is it more difficult to do fresh file or heat 32?

[wispy blade]

fresh file by far

32 heat is pretty easy and you can indefinitely streak it

[sterile cape]

Pretty easy 😢

[wispy blade]

while ff is much harder to streak and also just in general

and requires a lot of practice

[sterile cape]

Ive spent my whole evening on heat 32 yesterday 😢

[wispy blade]

well

you're doing it on a much harder aspect

i assume at least

and also you haven't played that much

[sterile cape]

I guess more than 90h now haha

[wispy blade]

idk

make sure ur mirror and pact are good

[sterile cape]

That's the only 2 things I made sure of :p

[wispy blade]

what wep r u using

[sterile cape]

ME fists

[wispy blade]

try zap

more consistent

zeus attack with stuff like jolted

try to get athena dash

some % special

[sterile cape]

I tried one ZAP run but I feel like the gameplay is really different

So I would need some time to learn it :x

[quiet acorn]

The gameplay is the same

The build is different

[sterile cape]

Not my gameplay then. With ME I move faster to other enemies as doom can finish the job, with ZAP I need to finish them off before I move

That's disturbing xd

[quiet acorn]

Jolt does more than doom

[sterile cape]

Early?

I legit give 2 hits and move to next

[quiet acorn]

Early everything should die fast anyway

[sterile cape]

Ye but I didnt feel like it with ZAP. Maybe Im doing something wrong lol

[quiet acorn]

I like ME fists too

[rare mountain]

y'all i'm so dumb

I got the 2-sack and everything, but I didn't feel confident enough so I went back to get a centaur heart from styx thinking I had enoughtime

which I did

but

I got killed in the last room :)

Worst part is I had clockets with epic swift flourish

it was almost my first 32 heat clear too

[forest token]

The only room that's worth going in for after the sack in Styx is the miniboss room since those are more consistent

[rugged hinge]

and less time wasting

[sterile cape]

Lol I'm doing a run at work, I arrived at Hades with 4 lives, strong build (no impending but 5 dashes), I mean I cant lose right

And my switched stopped cause no more battery xd

Charging it slow on a PC now, I hope it will resume where it was

[rugged hinge]

with 5 dashes you definitely shouldnt die unless its em4

[sterile cape]

I think it's impossible, he's half phase 1 now, didnt hit me once, I have 400 max hp

So if I die I revive with 200hp lol

Lets gooooooooo

Sub 14 (even though I was not really speedrunning lol)

#h1-victory-boasting . I wasted too many runs with HL, I'm much more comfortable with FO

Just checked, it took me exactly 20 runs to do it 😰

[rare mountain]

okay

so I'm trying out dem fists and going for ME. Haven't made it out of tart yet (just before last Charon room) but Chaos is offering epic flayed favor (hurts when special)... Should I go for that and just avoid specialing for a few rooms or should I just take a common boost to undamaged damage

ALSO POG

[sterile cape]

Heat 32?

[rare mountain]

Ye

It'd be v nice to have boosted chances

[sterile cape]

Ok that's exactly what I just played. You can definitely not use your special for a few rooms, it's just longer. Dont forget to cast before so you can boost your damage

[rare mountain]

Ok cool!! I'll go with that then :D

[sterile cape]

Btw: Me too I wasnt going out of Tartarus yesterday when I started my session. And now succeeded. Believe in yourself haha

[rare mountain]

oh my gosh

dash special doesn't hurt you

I knew it counted as dash-strike damage but that's really nice actually

[sterile cape]

Dash special is not counted as special? Nice I didnt know that lol

I dont know about your controls but the default setting on Switch is annoying for dash special

Dash is the bottom button while special is the upper one

I should switch cast and special probably

[forest token]

Told you it'd take a handful lol

[sterile cape]

Didnt you say 3-4 runs? haha

[forest token]

Wait did I

I remember saying handful tho

[sterile cape]

Honestly the progress is QUICK. I was so depressed after my first runs not even being able to go past Tartarus

[forest token]

32 hard

[sterile cape]

I got luck on build too. Attack special Dash before Tartatus boss, ME around mid Asphodel or before

[forest token]

Time for 40

[sterile cape]

I think going with dash and not rerolling for ME is a better option in high heat cause more safe

While in speedrun I will reroll to get ME asap

[forest token]

Wait you did lc4 on DDs

You were supposed to use stubborn defiance with lc4 lmfao

[sterile cape]

I know but I often lose more than 1 life on boss

[forest token]

Fair enough I guess

[sterile cape]

I met Patrocle but I had only 1 life less in this run when meeting him so it wouldnt change anything

[rugged hinge]

use acorn

[forest token]

You did get breaching cross so bp2 wasn't an issue

[sterile cape]

But basically yes I was flip coining to get Patrocle

[forest token]

Every high heat run is like that tbh lmao

[sterile cape]

Btw

What happens when you meet Patrocle with Stubborn defiance?

Cause he cant refill your lives lol

[forest token]

SD fills 50% more

So 80% total

It's a lot lol

[sterile cape]

Works with LC4 right

[rare mountain]

Okay so

[rare mountain]

here's a fun tip

if you dash strike then immediately press special, you'll do both a regular dash strike and a dash upper

It's actually pretty easy to just roll your thumb over to the special button

Fun stuff

[sterile cape]

Im so bad with this kind of move haha

[rare mountain]

D A N G ITTTTT

I had everything

[sterile cape]

But

[rare mountain]

and then I kept getting boiling blood and he murdered me when I had like an INCH left of Dad's HP bar on his last phase

[sterile cape]

Whats boiling blood again? (really I will put my game in english one day)

[rare mountain]

Basically it's the status that the little skulls put on you, it makes you take much more damage from everything and I hate it lol

I mean it's totally fair but for some reason I just didn't dodge them

(to be fair I've never done fo2 hades lol)

Also what language are you playing in?

[sterile cape]

In elyisum?

Ah in Hades fight

With ME? Cause really having ME full build in Hades, I've never been bothered by mobs around lol

Or maybe you mean you got the debuff and then Hades was hitting too hard?

[rare mountain]

That's the one lol

I even had acorn + Achilles buffed SD + that one item that gives you more health with SD that you get from the well

[sterile cape]

Got it. Happened to me on my first heat 32 run reaching Hades. Actually would have been not so hard to finish but I didnt play good

[forest token]

happens to all of us lmao

[rare mountain]

I just really misplayed lollll

[sterile cape]

Talking about acorn, on my winning run, I used it for Theseus and used Skelly tooth for Hades. Not sure if it's game changer but in my situation at least it was more safe to go this way around

[rare mountain]

the ring of fire is what killed me and I couldn't get to a good lil alcove

or get in close enough to him so that it wouldn't hit me

Eh I was close at least!! I'll give it another go soon

[sterile cape]

So basically I didnt take damage against Theseus so I got 4 lives with 375 max hp (and like 150 on my current life) and full ME build. I was more than confident lol

[rare mountain]

Niiiiiiiiice!!

[sterile cape]

Also I dont know if it's a common tip or not but I often take max hp, it's like 25hp healing + stronger revive

[forest token]

why not use acorn for both

[sterile cape]

Oh right Im completely stupid

In my mind could use only one time lol

[forest token]

lmao it do be like that

[sterile cape]

Because gods keepsakes can only be used one time right

So in my mind was same with all hahaha

[forest token]

using tooth into ely might be preferred if you're worried about dying in the normal combats

[sterile cape]

For me, acorn is much better than tooth

[forest token]

yeah it always is

well like 95% of the time at least

[sterile cape]

So... the only reason why I took the tooth is because I thought acorn was over lol

[forest token]

lmao that's fine

now you know

for your next 32 heat run!

[sterile cape]

NOT anytime soon haha

[forest token]

lmao fair enough

[sterile cape]

32 heat on all weapons is a long term goal though

So I'll go back to it

[shy plinth]

All aspects is even more fun

[forest token]

i didn't go back to heat for a long while after i did 32 heat

[shy plinth]

Grats on your clear 🙂

[sterile cape]

Maybe one day haha, step by step

[sterile cape]

Thanks!

[sterile cape]

Mentally I feel like it was harder than first clear when you start the game lol

[forest token]

yeah probably

[shy plinth]

My first 32 made me think "never again", my second made me think "phew not a fluke", my third was "maybe this isn't so bad" and my fourth was "ok this is kinda fun"

[sterile cape]

Because first clear you know that when you fail you gonna upgrade your character

Heat 32 you can only upgrade your own skills

[forest token]

my 32 heat progress was like, cursed pact and mirror for the first one, then a long break until the 2nd one with a good pact and mirror, then later did it again after sub7, then proceeded to do 40 in 2 attempts and 50 in 8

[shy plinth]

Yeah sounds very relatable except slower and worse for me lol

But the first clear cursed pact is a rite of passage

[forest token]

i dont remember when i did my zeus shield arc but that happened and went from like 40 -> 45 -> 50 and then i did 51 beo after that

[shy plinth]

Respect

[forest token]

50 zeus and 51 beo were streaked lmao

[shy plinth]

That's kind of absurd

[sterile cape]

Sub7 32 I cant even do that on normal heat xd

I sub10 only one time

[forest token]

oh that wasn't combined

sub7 any heat and then a normal 32 heat clear

[sterile cape]

AH

[sinful zodiac]

Sub7 32 is cool kids club

[sterile cape]

Sub7 is my long term goal for speedrunning

[hoary pasture]

There is a cooler club

[sterile cape]

I wont ever get sub6 I know it already

[forest token]

my only 32 heat speed clear is sub8 tho lol

[sinful zodiac]

7:30 50 is 1 man club

[forest token]

modded tho

7:30 50 heat is just dumb lmfao

[hoary pasture]

Sub6 32 heat was 1 man until a while ago

[forest token]

just get the rng

[hoary pasture]

I wonder who that was

[forest token]

same

wonder who that is

[sinful zodiac]

Clueless

[forest token]

they're probably reading these messages rn

or at least they'll read it soon enough

i give it 1 hour

[hoary pasture]

Probably

[forest token]

anyways here's a funny run
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ro6TF42GHAc

is the 7:30 technically more unbeatable than 64 heat clear lmao

[sinful zodiac]

Timothy was cooking

[hoary pasture]

64 heat got some action atleast

Nobody is doing 50 speed letalone Rama

[forest token]

fair

[hoary pasture]

And unmodded

[shy plinth]

Unmodded 50 Rama? What is this, Tail%?

[hoary pasture]

But a few chinese ppl still try 64 heat unmodded every now and then

[sinful zodiac]

If the game end at lernie like EA then I beated 64 heat

[hoary pasture]

If the game ended in c2 then I also beat it

[sinful zodiac]

Mandatory #screwely

Cringest biome

[hoary pasture]

It’s not too bad

It’s like twice as hard as 32 heat

[sinful zodiac]

60 beowulf is just 60/32 as hard as 32 heat :clueless:

[hoary pasture]

ye makes sense to me

The only reason I havent done it is because I don’t want to

[wispy blade]

hi

i was going to sleep

and i’m not asleep

[wispy blade]

hmmmmm

[forest token]

lmfao

[wispy blade]

there should be more people in the club

[wispy blade]

i thought so too at some point

i just wanted a sub7 then i’d be done

look how that turned out for me

[sterile cape]

I have to figure out how to sub10 a 2nd time now lol

[quiet acorn]

Same and look how that turned out for me

[sinful zodiac]

wait for the return of magnil, if that ever happened

[jaunty falcon]

[rare mountain]

k i'm trying out zeus shield on 32 heat. I have tdash, pos strike and epic zeus flourish. Should I force Poseidon and shoot for Sea Storm?? If not what do I take into aspho?

[rugged hinge]

aphrodite is cool, and replace attack with her id say

[forest token]

if you're worried about dying take tooth, if broke purse

aphrodite or athena in the god pool is good

athena for dd cheese

[rugged hinge]

and sure footing so hs isnt as bad

[rare mountain]

oh I haven't taken hs

I just threw that heat onto hl

lol

[rare mountain]

Is Heroic Athena attack gonna be a better take than Epic Aphro? Athena's offering a replacement and that sounds really nice... This is on Hestia, 95% from Aphro compared to 100% from Athena

[jaunty falcon]

I would stick with aphro

[forest token]

I'm pretty sure heroic is better than epic in the early boon level but the pom scaling for epic aphro is higher

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1114693043359064114/output.png?ex=65bec84b&is=65ac534b&hm=3e37ac5f5d14d64eff37aa7bc1671b752d5c5881115294f100dd1d2fdc5f473a&

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1007734863186624562/1072743314576646225/output.png?ex=65c30e10&is=65b09910&hm=d860414a50266ad625c52952e2d6487f6a604f8b7c76a52af31c6c4883bb042d&

Yeah pom scaling on epic is better it seems

[rare mountain]

A G H

Ahhh that makes sense

I'm SO sad though, I forgot to expend an SD so I entered a miniboss room with 1 HP left, then I forgot to use Meg and when I did use Meg the FREAKING BUTTERFLY BALL WARPED and I panicked... And I ALMOST got it anyway until an off-screen dude sniped me

And I had ricochet and piercing, deadly reversal, several buffs to dash strike... I was living pretty

And rare RD too

[forest token]

It do be like that sometimes

[rare mountain]

ye

Ah well

(thanks for the tips btw)

Where do you get the pom scaling graphs btw?

[forest token]

There's a bot that just grabs them but the bot is down so im just pulling them from the search function lmao

Idk where the bot grabbed them from tho

I just happened to search these before luckily

[rare mountain]

That's awesome lol

[hoary pasture]

@languid jasper really nice project of yours. Very visually appealing aswell. Any reason why you're separating Modded Seeded Unseeded? You're missing the Unmodded category. If you want to be more accurate, runs should have two tags. One for modded/umodded and one for seeded/unseeded. Sorting by aspect would also be nice but great stuff nonetheless just wanted to point it out.

[cursive portal]

thats a really neat leaderboard

[rich tinsel]

Hi there! Just joined recently so idk if this is the perfect place to put it but I just came out of a 32 heat run using chaos shield having beat up to theseus without any death defiances. I unfortunately died to Hades when he had about 10% health left on his 2nd phase, but really proud of my progress so far!

[shy plinth]

Hey nice job

Almost there, keep practicing

[rugged hinge]

damn chaos shield

[torn ferry]

I feel like any other shield would have cleared

[forest token]

Damn my modded 50 rama isn't on there lmao

[forest token]

Nah I just don't submit stuff to there

Glad you found it without me linking it tho lmao

[hoary pasture]

Nice

[forest token]

if the run is modded, it'll say "modded" or some other text on the top right with god icons

seed/unseed depends on whether or not the player died in the beginning of the run

i guess that would have to mean you open each video to confirm that which could be tedious

[wispy blade]

should send this in speedcord

check pins in #self-promotion

ye

[broken echo]

Is there a way to play zag rail that isn't just eris at home

[wispy blade]

spread fire

[broken echo]

ait

[broken echo]

what do i roll for on zeus^2

prob static discharge right

would fated authority be better here?

[left prism]

No

You want persuasion for hermes/chaos curses/purging pool

Also yeah aim for discharge

[broken echo]

ait ty

[broken echo]

chaos i would roll just to not have a bad curse right.

[left prism]

At least for me yeah

[broken echo]

makes sense

maybe early boon rarity

[left prism]

Tho depends on how bad the curse is/where are you in the run

[broken echo]

ye

[broken echo]

Only failed one run on it so far but I can’t seem to get enough damage on chaos shield to beat TD3

I could change my pact but I’ve really gotten into a nice groove with the current one

[left prism]

Chaos aspect moment

[broken echo]

Real

[left prism]

Also what's the pact

[shy plinth]

Assuming their image history is anything to go by, it's the same 32 pact that I have in the pinned spreadsheet

FO2 HL1 CF0 otherwise normal

[broken echo]

Not at my laptop anymore but it’s like
HL1
LC4
EM3
BP2

Oh yeah it’s literally the same one I’ve been using

[shy plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1201347174500409344/20240128180347_1.jpg?ex=65c97cbe&is=65b707be&hm=cf1841c90c29d4d7583a3284b158df3c14eefd3ce1f8a142174528a95f9d1a42&

[broken echo]

Ye ty

[shy plinth]

No obvious issues with the pact or mirror that I see, it's just chaos being chaos

[broken echo]

Understandable

[left prism]

Reset for aspect of cshot :croven:

[broken echo]

I’m playing modded

[left prism]

Oh

[broken echo]

But still how damage 💀

[left prism]

Aphro cshot spam works fr

Ignore the gimmick

[broken echo]

Hm

So just play like discount zag shield

Oh maybe merciful end

[shy plinth]

Lolol

I mean it is a 32

"How do I make this thing go faster? Eh probably ME"

[left prism]

slaps ME
This duo can go in so many aspects

[broken echo]

Real

[broken echo]

Taking aphro cshot chaos into asphodel. Do i take art, ath, or zeus

would be taking special, dash, and special respectively

[forest token]

dont bother ever taking a special on chaos

artemis wouldnt' be that good anyways lmao

the play here is either athena for ddash and dd cheese or zeus for call -> smair

[broken echo]

yeah i took athena

Also its balanced yet funny that than can't execute enemies with crystal shield

like yes, not even the god of death can contend with the protective power of random elysium crystal

[maiden hornet]

why do so many guides want you to take em3 early

[timber nymph]

i think it's because it gives you 3 heat while only making one encounter harder, and if you want to go higher you will need to practice it anyway

[maiden hornet]

ah that makes sense. I only want to go up to 32 heat on all weapons

gotta find some way to get better at the fight cause it's rough out here 😭

[broken echo]

At 32, a lot of the other options are rougher imo

Eventually want to do 45/50 heat on something, so that’ll probably mean em4

[quiet acorn]

you can do upto 58 without ever needing to play em4

[broken echo]

I mean yeah, but making the combat harder is more fun for me than reducing my qol

[quiet acorn]

fair

but for 45 its definitely not needed

no need to compomise on build either

[broken echo]

Yeah fair

[left prism]

I did 45 em4 and struggled as much as 50 normal dad lol

The fight is ruthless

[broken echo]

Fun

[left prism]

It is a fun fight

[forest token]

It's good practice for 32 heat tbf

If you only want to do bounties you can sub it out for something else

[maiden hornet]

yeah it is, and it makes sense to choose a pact that only hurts part of the run

theseus isn't that bad but asterius?? I'm just never fast enough to miss his swings

[broken echo]

The spin?

Also yeah it’s rough

Especially so with FO

[maiden hornet]

whenever he's spinning like a top? that's the best way I can describe it

[left prism]

Beyblade asterius

[analog notch]

Hey guys, currently on heat 37, I usually make it up to Theseus/Asterius before I die
Was looking for tips, this is my current build:
Weapon: Hera Bow, try to usually prioritize Flurry Shot if I can
Attack: Frost Strike
Special: Thunder Flourish
Cast: Trippy Shot
Dash: Divine Dash (otherwise it will just be some random dash boon if Athena never appears)
Call: Aphrodite’s Call
Duo Boons: Ice Wine, Scintillating Feast and Smoldering Air

Obviously on lots of runs the gods I want don’t appear, Zeus and Aphrodite tend to be the ones I have a hard time getting. But on my most successful runs this has always been the build. any advice?

[left prism]

Trippy shot with mirage should clear easier than ice wine

That said crush shot hera is stronger/easier to build

Also what's your pact

[torn ferry]

Why would you use smoldering air on aphro call 🤔 I guess it's cc, but still

[analog notch]

I forgot to mention I also try to get Hermes 1 sec+ recharge boon which makes it op

Bc you can spam aphro call every 5 seconds

[torn ferry]

What

[analog notch]

And the opponent freezes

[left prism]

Smair alone charges in 5 seconds

[analog notch]

Yeah but hermes makes it faster

[left prism]

Whatever the hermes boon is called barely does smth

[torn ferry]

Not really

[analog notch]

whats wrong with that combo

[left prism]

Better hermes boons usually

[torn ferry]

Samir gives 1% every 0.2 seconds. Hermes gives as much every second. It's barely noticeable

[left prism]

And (seriously what's the boon called please) the hermes call boon is just toos slow

[wispy blade]

quick favor is funny because it gets good again at really high heat

[analog notch]

Still whats wrong with the aphrodite zeus duo with aphros call

I feel like thats the most powerful boon ive encountered so far

[torn ferry]

It deals no damage

[left prism]

Zeus call does dmg

[torn ferry]

It's only middling cc

[quiet acorn]

its a bit unneccessary

[analog notch]

But thats not the point it freezes the opponent so u can attack them

[torn ferry]

That's just worse Athena call

[analog notch]

Nahhh u guys r tripping

I will do mirage shot tho

[left prism]

No u are tripping (flare)

Oh that said

[analog notch]

Zeus call is v good tho

[left prism]

If you really wanna do trippy flare

Use beo

[torn ferry]

It doesn't freeze bosses long enough, and normal waves need AOE mainly, not single target cc

[analog notch]

Yea i hear

[left prism]

It has an extra bug

Funny pom bug

[analog notch]

It doesnt need to freeze for a long time in the 5 sec it does I spam trippy cast and then they end up walking slower so they don’t even have the opportunity to hit me before I freeze them again

[quiet acorn]

you can shoot your flares without charming them too

and they die either way

[torn ferry]

Yeah but if they were dead you wouldn't need to slow them

[analog notch]

Lol

What do u use

[torn ferry]

Crush shot

Snow burst

[analog notch]

Ill try it thrn

[torn ferry]

Zeus call with smoldering air and jolted

[left prism]

Fwiw hera heat is annoying with some bp combos

Cuz casts get stuck more often

[torn ferry]

Divine dash hopefully, with DD refill

[grim knot]

imo artemis is good for exit wounds and legendary

[torn ferry]

Artemis for exit wounds, the legendary and some PP/hunter's mark is cool too

[left prism]

Fully loaded on casts builds is a mytj

[grim knot]

also poseidon for sweet nectar

[analog notch]

I didnt expect the aphro call to be roasted 😔 that was my favorite boon

[torn ferry]

It's a common noob trap

[analog notch]

no its not

Ur mean

:’(

[torn ferry]

I am the anti Aphrodite front

[grim knot]

the real myth is greater recall

[torn ferry]

True

Also, what's your pact ?

[quiet acorn]

probably a pact of punishment

[torn ferry]

One of the pact of punishment of all time

[cursive portal]

game bad

[torn ferry]

game good

[shy plinth]

game

[forest token]

gam

[dull elk]

ga

[bleak grotto]

🇬

[rapid hawk]

᲼᲼

[rugged hinge]

"guys i found this really op thing its called ares' aid"

[upper juniper]

[analog notch]

i won heat 37 with aphro aid btw

[upper juniper]

• big number looks good from the outside

• encourages players to use greater calls instead of spamming small ones

[upper juniper]

And?

You can win 50 heat with bronze skin

Does that make bronze skin good?

[analog notch]

if it lets u win yea

lol

[upper juniper]

Good is more in respect to other boons you could have taken

And taking aphro call means you miss out on all the better calls

[analog notch]

also i dont really think theres an objective best build i just wanted to know a build that would help me get passed a certain level

some people really like artemis i dont for example

[upper juniper]

you can still win with aphro call

It’s just not as effective

[analog notch]

her style isnt what i like to play

[upper juniper]

Whether or not artemis is good depends on your weapon, aspect and the other gods you have in pool/cores

Same with every other god

It’s incredibly subjective

[analog notch]

yeah thats why i think calling aphrodite a noob boon is kind of silly

[upper juniper]

Unless you were talking specifically about her call*

Sorry

[analog notch]

because if it lets me win a high heat i dont think its a noob boon lolz

[upper juniper]

Calls are a bit universal

Your weapon doesn’t change how they function

The ones that work well work well on all weapons

and so like for damage, zeus and dio reign supreme while for defense Athena just works

You can take a way wider scope because they don’t change with the weapon/aspect

[analog notch]

yeah i don't really like those calls because you have to get close to the enemy i like the bow + aphrodite because I can fight from afar

[upper juniper]

I main the bow

And I have found the best spot to be with the bow

Is anywhere from half range to close up

so your call practically always hits

Even when playing farther off you can dash in with your call

and have the safety of dash iframes with your call damage

[left prism]

You can also use call iframes to start

[upper juniper]

Your small calls with zeus and dio should be doing enough damage to make using aphro’s greater call look underwhelming tbh

[analog notch]

okok i will do heat 38

with zeus call

i know zeus is very powerful i like him a lot

and i will see if i like it more than aphro

[upper juniper]

I mean still start with aphro, it is bow after all, you want her strike

[analog notch]

someone said crush shot cast is best

[upper juniper]

It is

[analog notch]

ok

[upper juniper]

for hera

[quiet acorn]

I don't think calls are something you go out of the way for

[analog notch]

so what build exactly should i do

[upper juniper]

You don’t

[analog notch]

bc i need to see if my build really is 'noob build' 😂

[quiet acorn]

There are no noob builds

Only meta builds and meme builds

[upper juniper]

There are just builds that work and builds that work less well

Until you go all the way down the line to boonless

Actually even within boonless hammers matter

[rugged hinge]

and "hey it looks good"

[upper juniper]

And honestly like

A good build piloted with someone unaccustomed to it

Might just not work for a while

like a dude who ran vengeance builds

[forest token]

Well like your call isn't a core part of your build that makes it good unless it's like smair but your main build is aphro atk anyways lmao

There's like a few important boons to your build that you need and should upgrade and focus on

Everything else is just supplemental and shouldn't clog your pom pool basically

[quiet acorn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1203076515688882356/ufckkme.mp4?ex=65cfc751&is=65bd5251&hm=89355ad6924ac6154e25a61540fe7eb6feac287a5def13757e60d266ac49b816&

maybe i need to ask reddit how to not SUck

[wispy blade]

try a better aspect

like talos

[quiet acorn]

yea i was thinking divine strike

[torn ferry]

I'm pretty sure this clip is shown to everyone who says HS is good

... which is probably just me

but still

[forest token]

Pot moment

[upper juniper]

HS good because then I can reset my sd faster in asphodel

🧠

Just don’t perform the “oh I’ll just reset my sd real quick post lernie fight” maneuver

[rugged hinge]

and also free god gauge

[full garden]

that was a lot of health restored

is that touch of styx premium?

I've never been able to keep it long enough to fight Hades

[left prism]

Vid isn't loading but it probably is

80% hp recovery is a lot

[forest token]

If you get it anywhere in Elysium, a 2 sack should guarantee that it lasts until dad

3 sack maybe if you get it at like the end of Elysium

[rugged hinge]

a 2 sack does guarantee

a 3 sack usually leaves you 1-2 chambers away