#h1-high-heat-strategies

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sinful zodiac
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Ri3 moment

wispy blade
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this is ancient lol

bleak grotto
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no u

sinful zodiac
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Did chaos shield get changed from the version in the video? Look the same to me

left prism
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Now you shoot them in a cone

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Ngl this is my first time actually seeing pre nerf chaos shield

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Actually looks fun

wispy blade
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wtf is that pact

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td2?

sinful zodiac
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Compensate with ri3

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Tbh, with shield, you might as well go ri3 and skip ri2

wispy blade
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this seems so bad

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this is like 50 damage per special

sinful zodiac
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Dad for 4 min, seem about right

quiet acorn
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i should do td2

quiet acorn
wispy blade
quiet acorn
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rama

wispy blade
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don’t do that

quiet acorn
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yea i realized its a bit stupid

wispy blade
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rama is fast and lean build

quiet acorn
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basically 53 heat

wispy blade
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just do the pact i used

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this one was also second try i believe

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first one i got trolled by chaos

quiet acorn
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im doing that with cp2 instead of js2

wispy blade
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i mean i guess it’s doable

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u definitely don’t need to tooth in lernie though

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if ur still doing that

quiet acorn
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i take tooth

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for those snakeheads

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not for lernie

forest token
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cp2 js1 sounds sus

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but sure i guess lmao

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i feel like that'd be more hammer reliant for damage no?

wispy blade
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i see the strat

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because it’s basically like

forest token
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yeah i get the idea for like

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not getting cucked by blue men in ely

wispy blade
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everything does in one hit or two hits

forest token
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yeah that too

wispy blade
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and bossing on rama is free

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but also

forest token
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i feel like rama bossing is free with good hammers

wispy blade
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id just not do that instead

wispy blade
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which is basically no hammer in dad

quiet acorn
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twin is alll you need

forest token
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true i guess

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i mean it's worth a shot i guess lmao

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feels vaguely cursed

wispy blade
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cause like rama 50 is kinda all mechanics

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modded at least

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it’s like hestia in that manner

forest token
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it's all mechanics until you get speeder drakons

sinful zodiac
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I could try a sweaty no modded run for the meme

forest token
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then it's dead by daylight

quiet acorn
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is that what they are called

forest token
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the aspho bastards yeah

wispy blade
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you just gotta get them all tagged and pop the first one when it teleports

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or use other enemies for the shared suffering

forest token
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i mean it's still speeder drakons lmao

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that's still hella scary

wispy blade
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i mean yea

sinful zodiac
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Savior striker gorgon is on the same level imo

wispy blade
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the scariest enemies are ely armoredarchers or flame wheels id say

sinful zodiac
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You can’t kill them fast, hit like a truck

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Homing projectiles

wispy blade
forest token
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flamewheels aren't that bad if you dash through cover and whatnot

wispy blade
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the issue is that sometimes that’s rlly annoying

forest token
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it's not fast but it's a definitive answer

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and yeah it can be annoying

wispy blade
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like flame wheels alone are free

forest token
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armored archers tho

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they can die in a hole

wispy blade
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but it’s when you have to crash the flame wheels while also dealing with other enemies

forest token
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esp the dadds

sinful zodiac
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6 hit archers is cringe

forest token
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dadd archers is a hit stun brimstone

quiet acorn
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another problem i have iwth

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rama

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i keep confusing it with sheild

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so i get hit when i think im blocking

wispy blade
forest token
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true

sinful zodiac
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Getting lout on dad with rama is the dream

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High hp for shared suffering

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Free damage

forest token
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tbh anything that aren't archers is the dream lmfao

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numbskulls are annoying but at least they die fast

sinful zodiac
forest token
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oh chariot does suck i guess

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although you can make it stack on dad pretty easily and get a chunky hit

quiet acorn
wispy blade
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oh yeah

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i’ll upload it tomorrow

quiet acorn
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i keep overtiming in tartarus idk how you do it

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just witch after witch after numbskul

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i take 20 seconds per chamber that is not ok right

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if im lucky

forest token
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first few chambers shouldn't be that bad unless it's witches/numbskulls

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but also like

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tart's gonna tart lol

quiet acorn
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i consistently

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exit tart at 5:15

forest token
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tbh that's not too bad lmao

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like def bad but like not as bad as you think

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leaving tart at like between 4-5 works fine

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my time goals for rama 50 is like

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4-5 tart, 2-3 aspho, 5 ely

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maybe 3-4 aspho

quiet acorn
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i mean those are the ones i cross tart

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otherwise i time out in like c10

forest token
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tart's gonna tart lol

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i've timed out in tart a few times too

quiet acorn
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and i take 1 min per elysium chamber

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c27 at 10:30

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oh thats 2 mins

forest token
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ely also sucks

quiet acorn
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my final conclusion is that rama sucks

forest token
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lmfao

quiet acorn
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i will now play nothing but rail

forest token
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lmfao fair

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rama kinda just hard tho

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did you like

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jump straight into rama 50

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and not do 40

quiet acorn
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i did 45

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i went overtime by 2 mins

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timed out 2 chambers before ely endshop and just ate through sds

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and tooth

forest token
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maybe clear like 40/45 first to get a better feel for rama lmao

quiet acorn
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im good i play eris

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now

forest token
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based

wispy blade
quiet acorn
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i think i am just bad or just unfamiliar and expect to be good as soon asi. pick up the weapon

wispy blade
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aspho exit at 6-7 leaves u plenty of time

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but i think once u get the hang of it time trouble won’t be an issue

sinful zodiac
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After all, game are meant to be fun

forest token
quiet acorn
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yea not sleeping for 40 hours doesnt help either

forest token
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generally at least

sinful zodiac
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You can still enjoy arthur even tho jazz might grill you for it lmao

wispy blade
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i mean any tart exit that didn’t make u die from time is doable

quiet acorn
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the only sword aspect i can play is arthur

sinful zodiac
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Based

forest token
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like you're just expecting to be good with it since it's a good aspect

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but like you have to actually learn timings lmao

sinful zodiac
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Your body thank you for it

quiet acorn
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probably

sinful zodiac
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trust my old fragile body on this

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you might not realize it but it definely make you dumber

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sleep enough is a cheat code

quiet acorn
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true

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but in the meantime i need to know what keepsake to take into aspho for eris

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i keep changing it and cant decide

forest token
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Tooth works

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Tidal dash maybe

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Something for the special

quiet acorn
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the problem is its hard to get with ap2 and end up getting unneeded pommable boons

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stealing off jolted and atk

forest token
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Then just take tooth

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Tdash does like poms tho

quiet acorn
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if i get it lol

forest token
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Fair

quiet acorn
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2 runs so far and both c5 jolted with ap2

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🫴

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and reah heroes with 0 poms

quiet acorn
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me when 5 hp because jolted dont let you reset sd in styx

sinful zodiac
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anvil gamble for hazard bomb shadesmile

quiet acorn
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this game too hard i will play hades 2

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bye

lost hull
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I'm aiming to do another 50 heat clear
I was thinking the rail would probably be the easiest with DC2, do you have any recommendations?

quiet acorn
sinful zodiac
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Another one with no hs 50 pact

lost hull
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Yeah my previous 50 heat was with CP2 DC0 but with PL I can't go to CP0 DC2 so I removed the remaining heat where I could

left prism
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Swap legacy to pride btw

sinful zodiac
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False side had a ME eris 50 heat run lmao

quiet acorn
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that aphro lol

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smair dio with rare rd wouldve been crazy

sinful zodiac
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Man I’m blind

forest token
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No hs can be a bit sus and make time harder but should be doable

lost hull
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I can enable HS for JS2 tbh, it's just that I needed something to start with
With OE, I can't force hammers

forest token
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Oh lmao

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Welp unfortunate then

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In that case I'd definitely take hs and lower js

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Can't guarantee you'd get a useful hammer for time lmao

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But yeah you should be good pact wise

quiet acorn
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I thought ap2 is badge

forest token
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Ri1 js3 hs can be taken instead of ap2 but that depends if you wanna deal with ri lmao

sinful zodiac
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I much prefer ap1 for better hammer

quiet acorn
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Yes

forest token
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Yeah that might be better

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Ap2 modded is more or less taken because you still get a good hammer

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Although have fun finding the hammer with ri

quiet acorn
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Forced hazard sucks

sinful zodiac
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Try forced cshot at 62 heat

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Poor guy

sinful zodiac
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Keep losing at least 2 dd with cp0 fo2 hl2 em4 dad. This is gonna be long bouldy

rugged hinge
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how do i deal with a cloned witch spam on hestia

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my last run made it about 5-7 chambers before dying

forest token
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aiming at the real one helps but uh

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yeah sometimes you just get bad bp perks lmao

rugged hinge
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so just spam special and hope i live

forest token
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at least it isn't savior

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yeah special helps a ton

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special and take out the main one

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are you on kbm?

rugged hinge
forest token
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ah then manual aiming isn't on the table then

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yeah just try to focus down the real one

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pause to make time to identify

rugged hinge
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i do manually aim special becuase i have to though

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the main problem is the clones blocking the real ones

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theyre too abundant

waxen relic
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If you can get a Dash-Boon before, that'd help.

rugged hinge
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i love relying on rng to pass the first biome of a game

forest token
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tbf tartarus is kinda like a build check lmao

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if you can't get out of tart, ely would probably suck a lot more

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although if you get APed then there's nothing you can do about that

sinful zodiac
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just got a no skip tart, could have had alecto if I didn't get hit

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would be 5:07 exit

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tart moment

sinful zodiac
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funniest stuff I've seen lmao

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64 heat at home

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no hellmode moment

forest token
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mysterra doesnt do hell mode ever

nocturne stag
forest token
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it's mainly because like they dont want to change their main file

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it's kept all their progress from the very beginning so they dont want to switch it to hell mode

nocturne stag
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even more based tbh

quiet acorn
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dio eris call charging is superfast

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smair at home

nocturne stag
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Clearly you should also get SMAIR. There's no diminishing returns

sinful zodiac
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smair work only for zeus and dio call

quiet acorn
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and athena

sinful zodiac
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I would rather have a chunky arty or aphro call with that setup

quiet acorn
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and aphro

sinful zodiac
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athena would be really good to compensate for eris lack of safety

quiet acorn
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i should do 52 instead of redoing 50 over and over with different gods

sinful zodiac
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bai have cleared zeus 62 with all kind of special lmao

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dio, arty, dem

quiet acorn
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63 with lc3 strats

sinful zodiac
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mirrorless is painge

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wouldn't try that again for a long time

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and I only do it because I have rod, even tho 1 cast rod is pathetic

quiet acorn
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i didnt know you could get rod with tygian soul

sinful zodiac
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mirrorless is 1 cast infernal soul

quiet acorn
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oh

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right im dumb

quiet acorn
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ap2 time dread

quiet acorn
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does hazard eat up acorn

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or gamble on anvil

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apparently you cant self damage after beating hades

edgy ermine
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So you live if you survive hades?

quiet acorn
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i mean hazard doesnt self damage

cursive portal
quiet acorn
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true i shouldve known

ashen garnet
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Can't remember if chaos curses count thanthink

sinful zodiac
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I don’t think it does

rapid hawk
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it does not

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doesn't count against than keepsake either

sinful zodiac
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still used up all DD but at least I'm starting to see the window to attack

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forget to turn on CP1 tho

quiet acorn
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istg

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every single time i pick up 2nd hammer

left prism
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Game telling you to play hestia lmao

quiet acorn
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i had greatest reflex too

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easy ri3

sinful zodiac
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Hestia dc2

quiet acorn
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why is that her pb of all things

sinful zodiac
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Idek, maybe someone in here longer might have some insight

cold kiln
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@forest token can i not post images here?

forest token
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use image links

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post to a different server or somewhere and copy paste the image link

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or upload to imgur

bleak grotto
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You posted the album link

cold kiln
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there

forest token
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do you have conc volley

cold kiln
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no, and i already grabbed my first hammer as triple shot

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had nothing better

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:/

forest token
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then take the replace

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dio special is better here

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should've started with it lmao

cold kiln
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ugh i hate dio, bbut i guess i have no choice at this point

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dammit i already took athena dash

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tho i think i won't be able to clear elysium without athena dash anyway

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yeah ok this isn't working

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i just died to alecto

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i killed her immediately after but

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i died to freaking alecto

forest token
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you have SD

bleak grotto
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No shame in that. Alecto is craaaazy

forest token
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you're fine

cold kiln
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cleared tartarus in 4.56

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let's continue

forest token
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chiron moment

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td2 tho so big chilling

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would be funny if this was td3 time

cold kiln
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isn't that a good time?

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it is for me, at least

forest token
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it's good for heat yeah

cold kiln
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i don't even clear this fast on hestia

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i usually bbreeze through asphodel to make up for time

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bbuuuut

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here's where the run ends LMAO

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loooool

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fml

forest token
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lmao

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cf2 moment

left prism
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You aren't on olympian favor right

cold kiln
shy plinth
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What's the pact?

cold kiln
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i'm on df

forest token
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not td3

cold kiln
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AAAAAND i just never got aphro attack from aphro boon

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i'm resetting

forest token
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it's fine

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you dont need low tolerance

shy plinth
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What aspect?

forest token
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chiron

cold kiln
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i used all of my rolls

forest token
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you're fine

shy plinth
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Oh Chiron I see

forest token
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just keep going

shy plinth
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Yeah I mean 32 is about getting reps as much as anything

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Chiron explains the dc2 td2

forest token
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yeah lmao

cold kiln
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ok Dyno 😦

forest token
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dyno moment

cold kiln
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anyway the room right before Lernie gave me aphro attack

shy plinth
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Seems fine

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I recommend holding a couple rolls in general just because UC

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But if you have CF2 you won't have a lot of boons to choose from anyway

cold kiln
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thankfully i do have a fodder boon this time

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Different Leagues

shy plinth
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Yeah, generally the issue I run into is when I don't have rolls and my purge options are 3 good ones instead of hitting my sell boons

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Generally you don't need a roll before asphodel, but for elysium and styx, can be tricky

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Still, sounds like you got your core boons squared away at least

cold kiln
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second hammer is conc volley let's goooo

shy plinth
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Get em

cold kiln
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ok so

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do i take rush delivery

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(i have hyper sprint)

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or

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do i roll for greatest reflex

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@forest token

forest token
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take rd

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there's no reason to skip over it

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yeah it's a bit wonky with chiron and timings but like

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it's still good damage lmao

shy plinth
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Stop rolling so much

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Just take the good boons you see

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And deal with what's in front of you unless it's total trash

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At 32 it's about execution along with the rough direction of a build that checks enough boxes to be functional

cold kiln
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i have exxactly 1 minute to beat em3

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i'm gg

forest token
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What level special did you have

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And also how much time going into ely did you have

cold kiln
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level 4

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and uh

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11 mins

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12*

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trying to trigger SD took up most of my time sadly

forest token
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Lvl 4 seems a bit low

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Should've been like lvl 6 or something by em3

cold kiln
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well it was Epic

forest token
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Point still stands really

cold kiln
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but also i never got poms :/

forest token
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Rare vs epic hangover isn't that different I think

cold kiln
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so i should get level up from Eurydice?

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i always got rarity upgrade

forest token
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Rarity upgrade is generally not worth it

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Poms or nectar is better

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The strength of hangover is only needing poms to be good so you need to actually get them lmao

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Ely should have a good amount

cold kiln
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should i just never skip a pom?

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because i usually go for +maxx health

forest token
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If you need like a heart then I'd take it but you still need poms

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Find a good balance for it

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I don't really have a gauge of what to take when

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Kinda a feeling thing

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Hearts are good but you also want dps

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Do some calc like "I can take x hits from y enemy, should I take another heart, could I maybe get 2 hearts"

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Problem with cf2 is that you kinda shaft your build buying power lmao

cold kiln
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btw

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i was so close to beating theseus lol

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but i got a long bubble while TD was out

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apparently that's a thing

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otherwise i would've beaten him ;;

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tho there was 0 way i was doing 7 minute Styx + Hades

forest token
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Styx should take like 2 minutes or so if it's a 2 sack

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2.5 or 3 or something

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What's your playstyle tho because you're entering Ely with like 12 mins and you used it all before heroes lol

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I get that Ely can absolutely suck but also that seems quite long

cold kiln
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ok there's a weird bug that'shappening

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where i cannot aim my bow

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it just locks upward

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and wastes my time

forest token
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Controller?

cold kiln
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yes

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what's going on

forest token
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Might be hardware issue

cold kiln
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this has never happened in the 3 (?) years i've played this game 😦

forest token
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Sounds like hardware and not software tbf

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Does that happen in other games?

cold kiln
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dammit this controller is new

forest token
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Oh lmao

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I'd test a diff game to see tbf

cold kiln
forest token
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Hm

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I don't use controller so I have no idea lmao

cold kiln
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the bug literally cost me an entire minute in an Elysium room

forest token
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Turn it off and turn it on idk lmao

bleak grotto
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Maybe it needs calibration

cold kiln
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ok i plugged and unplugged itt

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let's see

cold kiln
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OKKKK 5 minutes left into Heroes this time

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and i have level 10 dio special

forest token
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that sounds about normal lmao nice

cold kiln
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i also somehow have level 3 aphro attack and level 4 tidal dash

forest token
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good build

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who needs hearts when you have damage

cold kiln
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oh yeah i have rush delivery + hs again

forest token
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gamer

shy plinth
cold kiln
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20 HP

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STUBBORN DEFIANCE UP

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FIRST HADES PHASE DONE

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LET'S GO

shy plinth
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Get em

cold kiln
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i died

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yeah i died like instantly

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sigh

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quitting for today

shy plinth
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Might be worth recording your gameplay and sharing

cold kiln
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my computer is a potato

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it'll lag

shy plinth
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Ah unfortunate

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Might also be worth watching some of the vods on the pinned leaderboards to see what the high level players do

cold kiln
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the problem is that my hands got too sweaty and my controller slipped

shy plinth
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There's always room for growth on the execution side and there are def decisions and behaviors to emulate

cold kiln
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i can do this tho

shy plinth
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Of course

cold kiln
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dammit some blasted longspear hit me like 4 times in phase 1

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they're so hard to see

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also i got that longspear + 10 numbskulls

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with dc2, even tidal dash couldn't save my acorn

shy plinth
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I'm def not convinced by DC2 CF2 TD2

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Feels like moving some of those points into TD3 would be better

cold kiln
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i can't do TD3

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my pb is 17 mins

shy plinth
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That sounds like a TD3 time...?

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DC isn't free

cold kiln
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but

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TD gives 5 mins

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5 times 3

shy plinth
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5 times 4...?

cold kiln
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wait it's 5 times 4

shy plinth
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Yeah lol

cold kiln
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i'm so bad

shy plinth
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I'm confused

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I don't know if you were going priv status but fam fave is probs faster too

cold kiln
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what did i say now?!

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that was a normal sentence

forest token
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oh yeah pstatus is like an actual thing on hangover chiron

shy plinth
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It is

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But it still makes tart super slow

cold kiln
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ye my tart was already slow

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i breezed thru asphodel

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as usual

forest token
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isn't like everything in tart a 1-2 volley anyways

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full hangover stack with fam favs isn't doing much there i dont think for hangover

cold kiln
forest token
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oh yeah bp2 and armor lmao

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yeah fair

cold kiln
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also i wasted a lot of time on that blasted sneak

shy plinth
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Cutting dc2 would help a lot

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It's definitely not free

forest token
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dc2 is def pain

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could do hl2 instead

shy plinth
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Feels like 20 min for td3 is totally fine

forest token
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or td3 yeah

cold kiln
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i'm thinking ap1 at this point

forest token
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or td3

shy plinth
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Don't do that to yourself

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Do td3 lol

forest token
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ap1 isn't fun

shy plinth
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The pinned pact in the sheet that I have here is doable on every aspect in the game

cold kiln
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also apparently i had lost a lot of muscle memory for chiron

shy plinth
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HL1 TD3 CF0 DC0 and the rest is the same as what you have now

cold kiln
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that's why my earrlier attempts were terrible

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i'm getting the muscle memory back

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i didn't "master" this thing for nothing

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also dio is actually so fast and i don't get why

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it's terrible normally

shy plinth
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Dio? Is it actually terrible?

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Feels like that might not be true

forest token
cold kiln
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well it's my second least ffavorite god

shy plinth
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Lol yeah that too

cold kiln
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behind Ares

shy plinth
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The dio call is consistently powerful and some aspects lean into him a bit more

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Lucifer dio can be nice, chiron as you know, beo sometimes

forest token
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It's also just linear pom scaling

shy plinth
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Yep

cold kiln
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oh i cannot beat fo2 Hades without aphro/pos call

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so dio call isn't happening

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probably

shy plinth
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It's just a question of practice, I can def recommend watching back vods of really good people and picking up what they're doing that you can adjust in your own gameplay

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Helped me a lot when I was pushing 24x32

cold kiln
shy plinth
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Would be too warm

cold kiln
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eazy breezy for Zeus Shield tho

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argh my hands are cramping LMAO

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also btw

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i'm SO scared of pos sword 32 heat now

forest token
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Just get ME lmao

cold kiln
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if chiron is taking this many attempts, i cannot imagine pos sword

shy plinth
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Why?

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Yeah I mean ME or just any kind of fatty cast build

cold kiln
forest token
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Pos sword actually has area control lmao

shy plinth
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Chiron is one of the harder/weaker aspects as heat scales

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People really love playing it and it's probably the most popular aspect, but it also is like playing with training weights on

cold kiln
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meanwhile i cannot get Varatha above 7 heat 😭

shy plinth
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Really falls off as heat increases

forest token
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everyone loves chiron but it's just kinda mid lmao

shy plinth
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The power fantasy is great and people play it all the time

cold kiln
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i'm so trash at Achilles

forest token
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technically worse than mid since it's one of the weakest aspects but like it's fine for normal use

shy plinth
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Yeah

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And I mean 32 is just practice

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There's no aspect that can't do it

cold kiln
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i mean Chiron is Hestia but a little bit more AoE

shy plinth
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I would not make that comparison at all

forest token
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hestia quite literally has a bomb

shy plinth
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Yeah

forest token
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also hestia can actually one shot

cold kiln
forest token
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it's not even clockets

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it's just like

shy plinth
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I mean you just press the special button

forest token
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base special

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you quite literally have a bomb lmao

cold kiln
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ok but why would yo even use special

shy plinth
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Chiron covers maybe a 60 degree area and hestia covers 360 degrees

cold kiln
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at all

shy plinth
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To kill chariots and skulls etc

forest token
shy plinth
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Like, chiron is slow because you can't hit more than one thing at a time

forest token
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"chiron is hestia but with aoe"
you're literally ignoring the aoe part of hestia lmfao

cold kiln
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i just spammed dash-attack-reload-dash-attack-reload for my first 32 heat hestia attempt

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and i won it

forest token
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i mean it works

shy plinth
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You can do that

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But you don't have to

forest token
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but just because it works doesn't mean it's the best way for it to work

cold kiln
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i'm gonna look up my 32 eat hestia set-up

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one sec

forest token
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oh damn i dont have any high heat hestia runs recorded

shy plinth
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I didn't record it but this was the run

forest token
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oh wait i have an unmodded hestia i didn't upload to youtube yet

cold kiln
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WAIT I HAD SHADOW PRESENCE ON THIS WHOLE TIME

forest token
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lmfao

cold kiln
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someone shoot me with Hestia

shy plinth
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Good ol sea storm

forest token
shy plinth
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Lol it seems okay

forest token
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how did you even end up with that

shy plinth
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I think it was pre nerf

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Possible tidal dash was still a prereq

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I dunno I just kept taking sea storm things

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Man I keep looking at that screen. Where are the boons lolol

forest token
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"seems okay" more than half of your damage is from rd lmfao

shy plinth
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RD GOOD BOON

forest token
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rd and ichor to be specific

shy plinth
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Wait is that a snow burst with no cast

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It is

cold kiln
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ok this is insane

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but

shy plinth
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Snow problem

cold kiln
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uh

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why isn't it working

shy plinth
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That's not an image file

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Dunno what you're linking to but it isn't the pic

cold kiln
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there we go

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my usual Artemis Hestia build

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lmao i even had Shadow Presence

shy plinth
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Ah the ol js3 td2

wispy blade
cold kiln
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yeah i cleared 32 heat fo2 + bp2 + js3 + td2 no problem with Hestia

shy plinth
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Just saying that js3 td2 is slower than doing td3

cold kiln
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it feels like a cheat code

shy plinth
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But yeah seems like a solid run

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Hestia powerful

forest token
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i mean hestia is just good lmao

shy plinth
forest token
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it actually has damage

shy plinth
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Cmon

forest token
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unlike chiron lmfao

wispy blade
shy plinth
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Instead we put poms in common tempest strike ez

cold kiln
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at least i think so

forest token
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i dont think like the 40% from heroic deadly strike is doing wonders lmao

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or whatever the % is

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either way

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you dont take arty for the %, you take it for the crit lmao

cold kiln
#

yes

forest token
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unless you had heroic marked

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then that's based

cold kiln
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thhanks to rare crop

shy plinth
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Heroic marked is big deeps

forest token
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oh then that helps

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yeah that's where your room dps is coming from lmao

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boss dps is just uh

cold kiln
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urge to kill, artemis attack, and Hunter's Mark were all Heroic i believe

shy plinth
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Big urge gaming

forest token
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dad fight dps is just arty attack and urge to kill lmao

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and pressure points i suppose

shy plinth
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You can proc mark in phase 1 a few times

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Or maybe hit some skulls

cold kiln
forest token
#

yeah but like vague dps

cold kiln
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thanks to boiling blood skulls

forest token
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also not entirely consistent

shy plinth
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Fortunately hestia is quite consistent

forest token
#

fortunately hestia is just good yeah lmao

cold kiln
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lmao

forest token
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hestia absolutely does not have that dps lmao

cold kiln
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i'm exaggerating

forest token
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not without at minimum rd clockets

shy plinth
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It's pretty hard to go wrong with any of the rails

forest token
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you're also exaggerating a couple thousand damage lmao

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true

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luci is a bit sketchy in regards of safety tho

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but it's still good

cold kiln
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but like 2 crits on Hestia = a Common non-Pommed Artemis Greater Call

shy plinth
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Just get triple bomb ez

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I can't say I know enough about artemis greater calls for that comparison to land

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But I'm sure it hits for a bunch

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It's a big shotgun

cold kiln
#
  • a Heart Rend
shy plinth
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I will trust you on the math

forest token
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crits are 3x damage right

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2 hestia crits is 900 damage, let's round up to 1k

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heart rend is 4.5x actually isnt it

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1350 with heart rend

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everything else has to do like

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roughly 4.5k damage?

cold kiln
#

while you that math, lemme ask something:
which Chaos boon is Thirst?

forest token
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eclipse

cold kiln
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eclipse?

forest token
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it's like

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___ eclipse

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the first word is like the negative part of the boon

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-hp per atk or whatever

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second is the reward

cold kiln
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no i mean, my Hestia run has "Darker Thirst"

forest token
#

oh

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that's just like

cold kiln
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and i was wondering what that gave me

forest token
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the funny courtyard glowy thing

cold kiln
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cuz i forgor

cold kiln
left prism
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Is the buff the game choses at random at the start yeah

forest token
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darker thirst

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a random weapon is gonna get 20% more darkness

left prism
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Weapon glows purple and it gives +20% darkness/gems

cold kiln
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LMAO

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nice boon

forest token
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but also back to the hestia crit thingy

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without factoring in clean kill

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(because it kinda sucks)

cold kiln
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wait really?

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i always take it if i can 😭

shy plinth
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Clean kill? Yeah

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It's pretty bad

forest token
#

arty call is gonna have to do about 4300 damage

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to instaphase phase 1

shy plinth
#

Critical hits should be good enough already and you want to take boons that materially improve your build

forest token
shy plinth
#

It's just a question of what end clean kill serves

forest token
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also like your crits are fat enough

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you dont need the 30% lmao

cold kiln
forest token
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you take heart rend because it's a whole lot higher

cold kiln
#

except True Shot i guess

forest token
#

have you considered using the special boon

cold kiln
#

because True Shot goes on every non-cast build

shy plinth
#

True shot?

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Is that boon... exciting?

cold kiln
forest token
#

arty special works fine as well

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it's like on average about the same damage

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iirc

cold kiln
forest token
#

there's a graph somewhere

shy plinth
#

Sure, I think late enough into the run we're probably killing things pretty fast without needing to spam cast at room start

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Though sure it can be nice for things like big rats

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Nothing wrong with it, it just feels like a random cast - surprised to see the enthusiasm for it

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But sure it's damage and it's easy to aim

forest token
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goes through shields lmao

cold kiln
forest token
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i mean

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unless it's a cast build

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whatever's in the cast generally doesnt matter lmao

shy plinth
#

Yeah

forest token
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unless you're speedrunning rama

shy plinth
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Divine dash is a core survivability tool and true shot is a damage button

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I'm not sure I follow the comparison

cold kiln
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the comparison is that they both can go on 90% of builds

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again, i'm exaggerating

forest token
#

you could say that about like flood shot too lmao

shy plinth
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But you can put any cast on any non-cast build and it's irrel

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You're pressing the button so infrequently

forest token
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any lodging boon (that isn't aphro but can work i suppose) can fall into that category

cold kiln
forest token
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then aim

cold kiln
#

why bother

shy plinth
#

Controller feels like we don't even have to aim that much

forest token
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you're gonna attack the same enemy with boiling blood anyways

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so like

cold kiln
#

oh yeah i use aim assist

forest token
#

it's the same direction

cold kiln
#

so i never aim 😛

shy plinth
#

Right

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So why true shot...

forest token
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lmfao

shy plinth
#

Like again there's nothing WRONG with true shot

cold kiln
#

it's aim assist on casts

shy plinth
#

It's just... a cast

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Divine dash dramatically reduces your damage in a major way that changes gameplay - don't really think there's any boon that compares to it on the core level

cold kiln
shy plinth
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It could be a core part of a build if you're pushing something like a poseidon sword thing I guess

forest token
cold kiln
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DDash comes second

shy plinth
#

The extra dashes? I mean it's good

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I like it, especially on anything with ME

cold kiln
#

ME?

shy plinth
#

Merciful end

cold kiln
#

i've never done an ME build

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i suck at melee

shy plinth
#

Oh. I see

#

If you want to feel better at melee, do ME

cold kiln
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even though my 3rd most used aspect nowadays is Poseidon lol

shy plinth
#

I promise you won't worry about your cast

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The build ends up being literally two buttons

cold kiln
#

also

#

i just started a new 32 Heat Hestia run with lc4

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i went in first chamber

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i clicked reload

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it took a screenshot

shy plinth
#

Odd

cold kiln
#

nah i mapped tthe buttons

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so that i could take sses ffor here

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and forgot to change it back

shy plinth
#

Screenshotgun

cold kiln
#

wait

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i just checked the ME build

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bruh it needs 5 boons

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no thanks wtf

wispy blade
#

i mean

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2 boons as prereqs

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1 duo

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1 extra boon to make it functioanl

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and 1 more for damage

cold kiln
#

ye exactly

#

that's a lot

forest token
#

unfortunately that's how it be lmao

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strong build moment

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tbf impending doom isn't necessary but it's just nice

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highly recommended you get it but the build will still work without it

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just less damage

sinful zodiac
#

How do you even build sword and fist with ap1 or ap2?

wispy blade
#

you do not ME

sinful zodiac
#

Zap fist?

forest token
#

zap fist yes

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sword uh

#

double edge with dio i think was what angel did

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or like aphro maybe

quiet acorn
#

does double edge apply hangover twice

forest token
#

it should

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it hits twice

cold kiln
forest token
#

yeah

cold kiln
#

what is the inside joke that i'm missing here

forest token
#

it's ancient greece

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it's like 4000 bce or whatever

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there are no guns

cold kiln
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i'm pretty sure Hestia made the first ever Railgun and gave the recipe to the Chinese

sinful zodiac
#

People actually invented some kind of steam turbine, it existed inside the the great library of Alexander

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Too bad they burnt it down

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Historian said it slow down science about 1000 years

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I definitely can imagine the renaissance with gun

sinful zodiac
#

Some dude probably ingested those for testing

cold kiln
nocturne stag
sinful zodiac
#

the Medieval renaissances

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tbf, they probably had gun at that point but not at the level of the rail

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I meant I could imagine they had automatic gun at that point

rugged hinge
#

bombs

quiet acorn
#

em1 is unironically so hard

cold kiln
quiet acorn
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i keep dying there

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the whole room and attacks are so awkward

#

my least favorite fight in the game

fiery bone
sinful zodiac
#

First time playing a mid aspect at high heat, I don’t think flurry fire zag rail is the way

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Failed like 5-6 times, the only run that was successful got carried by tart smair

quiet acorn
sinful zodiac
#

Safer than spread fire, slight increase in dps

cold kiln
#

@forest token OK another lc4 32heat chiron run
i took hl2 instead of dc2
This time i found all of Dio special, Aphro Attack, Tidal Dash, Double Pom Duo, and Low Tolerance at Asphodel

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heading into Styx with level 13 Dio special

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and exactly 30% health 😄

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OK 6.30 minutes left exactly for Hades

#

had to purge Sweet Nectar but then i found it again LMAO

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now i have level 18 dio special

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with low tolerance

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and blood frenzy

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and optimized stubborn defiance health

quiet acorn
#

LOL

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there is no

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freaking way

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i keep thinking the odds of getting this over and over would get lower and lower

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but i keep hitting it

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wtf

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and ofc i get this the next chamber

cold kiln
#

I DID IT

#

32 HEAT LC4 CHIRON RUN BBABY

#

I WON

quiet acorn
#

gg

cold kiln
#

I F---ING WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON

#

I WAS ONE HIT AWAY FROM DYING

#

I WAS UNDER HIS SPEAR SLASH

#

HE DIED TO HANGOVER RIGHT BEFORE I WAS GONNA DIE

#

my heart

quiet acorn
#

👍

sinful zodiac
#

there is a mod used in vaxon 62 run

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1chamber epic only

#

you might want to use that to stop this shenanigan

wispy blade
#

could still get heroic replace

sinful zodiac
#

I thought the chance of getting heroic replace is lower?

quiet acorn
#

gettting replaces is part of the game

#

shouldnt mod that out

left prism
#

Get epic strike and have eury make it heroic

sinful zodiac
#

yeah boon rarity doesn't matter

#

replace is still 0.1

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but man look at that hermes chance

quiet acorn
#

i didnt know that

left prism
#

1% chance for legendary moment

quiet acorn
#

higher than epic

#

nvm

cold kiln
#

maybe the same file includes the internal cooldown for Zeus

sinful zodiac
#

herodata.lua inside contents/scripts folder

ashen garnet
#

Imagine relying on a specific epic Hermes with AP2

sinful zodiac
#

and zyru got it in his run, truly divine intention

cold kiln
#

does Heroic Greatest Reflex exist?

quiet acorn
#

yes

cold kiln
#

i always buy Ambrosia Delight from Eurydice and yet i don't think i've ever seen it

cold kiln
wispy blade
#

it is

#

heroic greatest reflex is in the nemesis route though

forest token
#

Unless it's high heat

cold kiln
forest token
#

High heat there's more of an incentive to take it

cold kiln
#

unless it's high heat?

#

i thought the inverse was true

forest token
#

Like 50+ when you have like 3 boons lol

wispy blade
#

waddling into eury with aph attack ddash and trash hermes and missing the 2/3 like

#

HEROIC DDASH

forest token
#

You just pick up a lot of UC fodder or just bad boons because of ri or ap2

cold kiln
#

oh you mean extremely high heat

#

i was thinking of 32 heat

forest token
#

Yeah when bad pacts kinda shaft you

#

32 is pretty close to like

#

You can get the build you normally go for

#

You don't get cucked except for uc

cold kiln
#

o btw

#

i almost forgot

#

thank you for everything

forest token
#

Oh no problem lol

cold kiln
#

idk if you saw, but i completed a Chiron 32 run

#

a few hours ago

forest token
#

Yeah I saw

#

Nice job

cold kiln
#

ty ty

#

the key was indeed NOT taking dc2 lol

quiet acorn
#

does the status get applied before or after the damage?

forest token
#

Sounds about right lmao

forest token
wispy blade
#

after

#

at least in a meaningful way

shy plinth
wispy blade
#

so heart rend won't proc on a critical hit first strike that inflicts weak

cold kiln
#

why does the answer to that question matter at a-

#

oh

#

i see

quiet acorn
quiet acorn
wispy blade
#

and pstatus wont proc on the 2nd status inflict

cold kiln
#

ohhhh imagine if we could stack cores

#

on same thing

#

like aphro attack + artemis attack on hestia

#

😮

quiet acorn
#

i think thats called pressure points

cold kiln
cold kiln
quiet acorn
#

i mean

#

sort of

forest token
#

Strike and lunge boons

cold kiln
#

but-but-consistent heart rend

forest token
#

Aphro special

cold kiln
#

that ain't consistent on controller

forest token
#

Get rocket bomb too lmao

#

That'll help

cold kiln
#

ye probs

#

hold on

#

what's hestia attack base dmg?

quiet acorn
#

150

cold kiln
#

rocket bomb is only 80 but aphro more than doubles that

#

hmmm

#

i'm ttrying to see if hitting ppl with rocket bomb is a waste of Fiery Presence

quiet acorn
#

main attack better for that

cold kiln
#

meh, i guess i could start doing Attack-Reload-Dash -> Rocket -> Attack-Reload-Dash

#

once i enter styx

forest token
#

But generally yeah the atk is better for fiery

forest token
#

Rocket makes it stronger and faster

#

There's like not much a reason to not take it unless it's hestia heat

wispy blade
#

60'

forest token
#

Close enough lmao

#

Same idea

cold kiln
#

unless Rocket is 50

forest token
#

Rocket is not 50

#

But yeah fair

#

If you see big splash potential then it's good to get fiery on all of them from special

quiet acorn
#

i didnt know louts can hit you backwards

quiet acorn
#

js0 is so crazy

forest token
#

lmfao

quiet acorn
#

lernie simulator

quiet acorn
#

hypothetically if im on hl1 with weak and abyssal blood should i be taking acorn or tooth

#

for hades

sinful zodiac
#

the pace is dead but welp

#

No bouldy, no skip except midshop aspho

#

got offered mirage shot then sold it, explained why I have boatload of obols

cold kiln
sinful zodiac
#

yep

cold kiln
#

i meab

#

+246% is a LOT

#

at that point arty spec is probably worse, no?

sinful zodiac
#

the run is dead at that point