way too spicy, but hell mode so auto cp1 anyway
#h1-high-heat-strategies
sinful zodiac
forest token
normal rooms are generally more dangerous than boss fights (assuming not em4)
so lc4 SD is kinda like your budget healing per room
honest kernel
SD 
forest token
stubborn defiance
honest kernel
killing yourself for healing
forest token
yeah more or less
honest kernel
I've tried it earlier, its fun
forest token
taking 4 heat off the pact for free is nice lmao
honestly my 32 heat guide kinda works for 40 heat lmao
sinful zodiac
price of midas is also "free"
honest kernel
I see 
forest token
hl5 lc4 cf1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ap1 td3
this is more or less standard for 40
there's like some substitution for 1 or 2 heat points to other things but this is generally it
at this point you're taking all the "free" heat points
depending on your skill level, js can be considered free
honest kernel
that doesn't sound too bad actually
forest token
hangover isn't that much of a time issue tbh
it's more of chiron itself lmao
slow special animation that just leaves you standing there
and no aoe
forest token
yeah speed can be a bit stressful
tbh if you haven't already you should consider reading the guide i wrote that's pinned here
the only difference between the two are just like pacts
the fundamentals and builds are the same
forest token
maybe even no td at all
Tbh straight up learn how to deal with td lmao
You're missing out on 5/6 heat and that's a lot to place elsewhere
Unless you wanna do like em4
rugged hinge
im just slow overall
forest token
Then learn to be faster
bleak grotto
TD1 at least is free unless you mean REAAAAAAAAALLY slow
forest token
Minimum td2 for 40 heat imo
forest token
is this ok for beo
Why no hs
quiet acorn
because hs can screw itself
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1158970757070737408/i...
do cp2 hs ri0
forest token
Or dc1 lmao
quiet acorn
but ri0 gives me too many boons and my poms go everywhere except cast
rugged hinge
TD1 at least is free unless you mean REAAAAAAAAALLY slow
my normal runs get about 25-27
wispy blade
bruh
forest token
Lvl 3 aphro cast is doable for beo
rugged hinge
with fullclear styx*
forest token
Well don't full clear styx
bleak grotto
my normal runs get about 25-27
You're within TD2
forest token
That's the problem lmao
honest kernel
fullclear styx is based
forest token
Not based for speed
honest kernel
get all the loot
rugged hinge
impossible i must provide charon with more moneh
rugged hinge
the ONLY time ive ever skipped styx is in my 32 run
bleak grotto
Yiss loot
honest kernel
the ONLY time ive ever skipped styx is in my 32 run<:bouldy:523329116934635534>
feels bad 
quiet acorn
i think i took a 3rd tunnel recently because i forgot to reset sd
honest kernel
damn lol
forest token
I mean grinding a bit to get faster times is worth it for higher heats imo
You don't even have to sub10 imo
Like between 12-15 is good for a comfortable td3 assuming no like js DC or whatever
quiet acorn
Lvl 3 aphro cast is doable for beo
Does rarity matter much
quiet acorn
Ok
honest kernel
Bananas your guide is amazingg
forest token
What not wanting to study for finals does to a mf
wispy blade
What not wanting to study for finals does to a mf
that just got me to play the game more lol
sinful zodiac
I watched the dev reaction video when I was doing my thesis 3 month ago, not sure how I graduated lol
I burnt like 40 hours first 2 weeks
forest token
that just got me to play the game more lol
i wrote a 30 page guide instead of doing anything for finals
quiet acorn
Based
forest token
lmfao tbf like
90% of the guide is just builds
and the builds are all bulleted lists
so that eats a lot of vertical space
the mirror and pact is probably total like maybe 10 pages max
wispy blade
if you've started it you're on the right path
better than that guy who did it all in 3 days
rugged hinge
me
bleak grotto
50 pages in 3 days 
sinful zodiac
nah, 10 page in a month, 40 in the last 2 weeks
forest token
incredibly based
sinful zodiac
you'll be suprised how deadline make you do stuff you don't think you can
bleak grotto
Hint hint Jake the dog TD2/3
sinful zodiac
zag literally dead when he miss his deadline
quiet acorn
you'll be suprised how deadline make you do stuff you don't think you can
I can confirm
forest token
zag literally dead when he miss his deadline
nonono he just loses 5 hp per second
rugged hinge
zag literally dead when he miss his deadline
zag procrastinates on dying
forest token
similar to the impending doom of your failure as you realized you missed the deadline
rugged hinge
i have a stubborn and a common rav will
which one do i take(lc4)
money vs damage and damage reduction
honest kernel
first time I ran out of time in td I thought you'd insta-die lol
quiet acorn
I like stubborn roots
quiet acorn
Yes
sinful zodiac
yes
quiet acorn
Quick recovery
sinful zodiac
hyper is still much better, 30% damage reduction plus the speed is nice
quiet acorn
All heal very less and unreliably
quiet acorn
Not worth
honest kernel
https://i.imgur.com/nCyQnE1.png
is this up-to-date?
I swear I've gotten "Hermes would be Jealous" without being under 12 Mins
sinful zodiac
I think so, i'm not really paying attention to that
my favorite one is robbed thanatos
honest kernel
love that onee
honest kernel
is this up-to-date?
I swear I've gotten "Hermes would be Jealous" without being ...
looked through my Wins and I didn't. I think it's Zag who mentions Hermes if you finish with TD?
honest kernel
https://i.imgur.com/sFxDcEw.png
glll
jaunty falcon
For em3 yea
rugged hinge
what should i do for heat 40 beo?
wispy blade
what should i do for heat 40 beo?
standard 40 heat pact
if u want you can do like js2 instead of ap1
because beo
sinful zodiac
sinful zodiac
playing with shield too much really screwed me
lv6 epic dio call with curse of nausea eris and die at dad
calm reef
man
IIm gonna kill myself
I GOT TO HADES
HIS LIFE WAS
LIKE LESSA THAN 10%
AND I DIED
TO A SKULLLLL
OMG WHYYYYYYYYYYY
edgy ermine
Try not getting hit so much
forest token
you wanna keep that hp bar above 0 generally
edgy ermine
Also trying to keep the other health bars as little as possible, and using that little dodge button
calm reef
you wanna keep that hp bar above 0 generally
Havent thought about that thanks for the tip man 🔥
calm reef
Tbh I died cause I was greedy
rugged hinge
already done zeus and working on gilg for heat 32, what should i do next
||try not to say hestia||(impossible)
sinful zodiac
why gilg?
sinful zodiac
already done zeus and working on gilg for heat 32, what should i do next
dash only gil or luck into a call build lmao
rugged hinge
why gilg?
because it was dark thirsted and im tired of shield
i might do boonless 16 soon
rugged hinge
im taking dc1, and i get a free ruthless
forest token
well uh
gilga has other problems lmao
namely longer dash strike animations
and shorter dashes, despite you getting more of them
gilga is just a very unsafe aspect in general
rugged hinge
current run is very good outside of the fact that i exited lernie on life support(i hate blue)
forest token
it do be liek that
forest token
pride, and yeah you can
rugged hinge
also, should i do td 1(or 2) or em4 first as practice
forest token
also, should i do td 1(or 2) or em4 first as practice
tbh i wouldn't bother with em4 unless you've already had a couple runs of practice already
just take your time learning the attack patterns
look for openings and etc
then work your way through td
rugged hinge
so far em4 is going like this:
die on phase 1 to summons/double spin(still not used to it, plus its hell when paired with sneak), and then die on phase 3 when i eventually make it past phase 1 with luck because ive had no practice on it
forest token
sounds about right lmao
forest token
you could kinda say that about all the mirror perks lmao
except maybe like fated authority
wispy blade
abyssal blood
sinful zodiac
Is hazard bomb a good open hammer on hestia. Got a heroic arty flourish and crit for 2000 damage at elysium
Too bad dad spin me to death
Common aphro strike with 84% multiplier 
wispy blade
Is hazard bomb a good open hammer on hestia. Got a heroic arty flourish and crit...
yea hazard is best hestia hammer for heat
jaunty falcon
Might as well
sinful zodiac
Hazard bomb on top of 4 cloners feel so satisfying, they just exploded on top of each other like a chain reaction
sinful zodiac
i tried EM4 hestia, and the funniest thing is dad is actually not as scary as those pots
quiet acorn
I keep losing with Eris at 52 heat but I can comfortably clear 50
Just adding ri2 and i dont die in tartarus so idk what is happening
rugged hinge
how 2 em2
forest token
how 2 em2
be mindful of headslams is about it tbh
when the 6 heads spawn, try to instakill heads as they spawn
unless you wanna wait to see if you can get any with grouping, but it safety is your concern just try to instakill them
or at least focus them down
you can generally get 1 or 2 this way
sinful zodiac
em2 is much easier with range weapon and just borderline cheating if you use rama or hazard bomb hestia
forest token
fun fact, js5 on nemesis is not great
especially with seeking spreaders in asphodel
sinful zodiac
does em4 spawn more pots?
wispy blade
does em4 spawn more pots?
it guarantees 2 on the field
if u break one another instantly spawns
quiet acorn
Should be 10 heat
quiet acorn
free nectar
sinful zodiac
is 4:30 min enough for em4 hestia
I have red aphro strike lv5
I died phase 1 but just curious if a better player can win that
sinful zodiac
point blank
forest token
yeah just saw the screenshot in #h1-victory-boasting lmao
good build
god poms and lunge
forest token
slower skulls based
forest token
I losed dd at heros tho, really need to work on that
taking acorn into ely might've been better tbf
unless you're paranoid about dying in a normal ely room
forest token
lmfao and he had one dash all the way through
but yeah fair
i need to watch my 50 vid back and see wtf happened in my run
because i dont remember anythnig at this point other than like
a 5 hit dad fight
and getting perfect shot i believe
forest token
dont try to hug dad unless you're in walking distance imo lmao
forest token
fair i guess
sinful zodiac
I could always dio call him to death
forest token
but also pretty unnecessary risk generally
sinful zodiac
yeah, calculated risk but I'm bad at math
forest token
i'd do that if i had acorn still up lmao
that's probably like the one time personal liability will shaft you
sinful zodiac
beowulf might be nice
I suck at it tho
you have 45 all weapon, tart should not be that bad
quiet acorn
it feels too slow
unless you have a steamrolling build
but at htat point what doesnt
quiet acorn
i tried but i couldnt get paast heroes
sinful zodiac
playing unmodded and shackle become the undisputed best keepsake lmao
until you get a common doom first chamber
ionic mesa
I hate TD3.
ionic mesa
Replaced it with JS3 and TD2, whoops, 32 heat done immediately. TD3 didn't even want me getting out of Tartarus.
ionic mesa
What do you mean? Lightning Phalanx on Aspect of Achilles? Different aspects don't change requisites for duo boons.
mint crow
If I want to take the least hits to dad should I take dad call or acorn (beo 40 heat)
sinful zodiac
beo charge up god gauge by being hit lmao
acorn supremacy
except em4
I watched eris 62 and the athena call is so goated
perfect clear dad jesus
quiet acorn
if ur playing modded it should be fairly easy
sinful zodiac
I just did hades 40, just get lucky lmao
but hades is suprisingly good
just quick spin into jabbing
sinful zodiac
@honest kernel what is the meaning of your name, did you really have a lv50 ddash run?
wispy blade
apparently ddash radius is only 17% smaller than tdash
sinful zodiac
but the scaling is at the level of icy flare
rugged hinge
a friend did a challenge, so now i must do heat 55, what aspect and pact(no td3, preferably no td2)
waxen relic
55 Heat with TD1 would mean sth like RI2, or RI3 CP1 and might as well TD0
forest token
Yeah might as well just do td0 and use Zeus shield since that's probably fine
waxen relic
But honestly have you tried 32 or 40 Heat yet? Strongly suggest trying that first.
wispy blade
yeah 55 heat is like
forest token
I remember them doing 32 heat with td1 or 2 or something
wispy blade
a lot
forest token
55 heat is also just very difficult even with td3 lol
wispy blade
and if ur doing it with low td it’s basically more
55 heat is probably equivalent to like a sub530
which is hard
waxen relic
Nah, different things. Also low TD strats can do surprising work. Just have to play differently.
wispy blade
i just like to put things into terms that are easier to understand for me
in a vacuum i have no idea what each increment at that level would be like but if you compare it to different levels of sub6 it makes more sense
waxen relic
hmm i don't think they're easier to understand for people not knowledgeable about the speedrunning (low TD^^) also modded or not?
rugged hinge
But honestly have you tried 32 or 40 Heat yet? Strongly suggest trying that firs...
already done 32
rugged hinge
I remember them doing 32 heat with td1 or 2 or something
td0, ap1
forest token
Oh yeah lmao
waxen relic
okay. Still, try going through like 40, 45, 50 Heat. 55 Heat would be like the one stop before TD0 max Heat.
rugged hinge
ill probably die to lernie though
rugged hinge
forest token
Taking 6 heat off the pact will make pacts a lot more easier
rugged hinge
so ig its time to actually get good at the game
forest token
You'll have more tools to work with rather than like ri3 ap2 or whatever
It's like doable without td3 but also it won't be fun
forest token
At that point it's just rng
wispy blade
and don’t kite for ages
waxen relic
Find if you enjoy the game at a fast pace too, if so great 
wispy blade
kiting in neutral is generally a bad idea
rugged hinge
and don’t kite for ages
i dont
wispy blade
oh
bleak grotto
If I can beat TD3 times, so can youuuu!
wispy blade
that’s usually a big issue when i see people struggling with td
rugged hinge
i dont
outside of erebus gates
i think my main problem right now is just styx fullclearing
my current runs get ~21-23 minutes
forest token
Not full clearing Styx helps
For like 4 mins at least lmao
An above average 2 sack clear for Styx is like 1 min or something
Probably faster
But like roughly
Honestly if you just refined more of your gameplay a bit before Styx then td3 is pretty doable for you
rugged hinge
i am definitely ready for td2 at lower levels, probably td1 for higher heats
forest token
For practice runs if you really wanna do 55 heat at some point, do like
Em3 js3 cp1 dc2
See how long that takes
wispy blade
i think my main problem right now is just styx fullclearing
my current runs get ...
oh well yeah
forest token
If you don't wanna do Zeus and do something else then lmk
wispy blade
if you don’t do that you’re already below
but anyways
learn the basic basic principles of speedrunning
forest token
Hestia would work I believe
sinful zodiac
I did try 55 heat on zeus a couple time, keep timing out before I could even reach the hero
How fast should my pb be at anyheat to do that?
forest token
it might not be a speedrunning issue tbh
might be build and/or enemy rng issue
sub10 zeus shield or sub9 is probably like idk ideal i guess
zeus kinda just sucks for speed tho
quiet acorn
im practicing em4 so pretty much every thing else is turned off
i couldnt even beat phase 2 with 56% dodge athena aid and 700 dmg per shot
sinful zodiac
might want to tune down to FO1 to get used to it
I beat EM4 FO1 a few time, FO0 with arthur
quiet acorn
always the spear thro
quiet acorn
i think ri3 and resetting for hermes dash is easier
gentle schooner
How come heightened security is so unpopular? I picked up the game a week ago and have started doing low heat levels 1 at a time and heightened security just seems free?
But I've been looking at Hades content on the subreddit and yt, and everything i've seen about starting to increase heat levels says to leave it off.
quiet acorn
the lava and the hades pots do big damage
gentle schooner
The pots as in the ones that send the big ripple across the screen?
quiet acorn
the green pillars
gentle schooner
oh with the hands?
quiet acorn
yea
gentle schooner
right ok
it didn't register to me that they would count as traps lol
rapid hawk
yeah they go from 30 dmg to 150, so hitting even one is quite huge
mint crow
I would take but whatever you want
forest token
How come heightened security is so unpopular? I picked up the game a week ago an...
"just don't hit the trap" is a great philosophy until you get one shot by a pot for 150 damage lmao
Styx traps also do 125 iirc, Ely traps do 75 or something
For 1 heat, it punishes late game mistakes by death instead of like
5 hp or something if you take hl1 instead lmao
sinful zodiac
I know tdash is bad at dad but now I know ddash only 17% smaller
I feel conflicted
sinful zodiac
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1161638600404905984/i...
this look really good, did you win it?
forest token
Why does size matter
sinful zodiac
Why does size matter
breaking the pot
quiet acorn
lost all of it in 5 secodns
sinful zodiac
jesus, that's so sad
ashen garnet
This is fine
quiet acorn
breaking the pot
isnt breaking the pots good
quiet acorn
i mean when they pop up
sinful zodiac
i always let dad pop them
ashen garnet
You may also want to let skulls shockwave take care of them in a certain area
quiet acorn
idk if i should reset if no hwermes dash or just play with 1 dash
i dont think i can
wispy blade
everything except em4 is supposed to be doable with monodash according to zyru
but its like really ahbrd
sinful zodiac
it's called high roll for a reason
quiet acorn
everything except em4 is supposed to be doable with monodash according to zyru
i mean with sufficient move speed you can just stay away
wispy blade
how are u gonna get movespeed
theres like
sprint
and what else
at 55 with a dc0 aspect you should probably be learning em4
if you wanna push 55/56 with em3 id say eris or something at dc2
quiet acorn
i was trying eris
forest token
Rush delivery lmao
quiet acorn
swift strike doesnt affect reload irght
left prism
Correct
cursive portal
55 heat is probably equivalent to like a sub530
ashen garnet
everything except em4 is supposed to be doable with monodash according to zyru
EM4 doable
sinful zodiac
Is the some mod to make dad do as less damage as possible to practice iframe
wispy blade
god mode
sinful zodiac
Good idea, now where to find a 80% god mod might be a problem
forest token
You might already have it since god mode increases even if you don't turn it on iirc
sinful zodiac
Sound like hypnos dating sim tbh
quiet acorn
elysium is so hard with 1 dash
quiet acorn
devs forgot to balance chariots unfortunately
jaunty falcon
f
sinful zodiac
the tailesque method, play hades
quiet acorn
how to kill anything?
with beo
especially in asphodel
i mean
everything jumps away
i am spending 1 min per room
sinful zodiac
if it's speeder wavemaker, just give up tbh
other than that, just need adjustment
he's streaming beo 45 rn
dio cast seem good tho
quiet acorn
oh thanks
i forget that server exists partially because i cant remember where ive hidden it
wispy blade
i forget that server exists partially because i cant remember where ive hidden i...
just put it with this one
wispy blade
because full volley doesnt kill a chariot
pain
what kind of chariot
armored or unarmored
quiet acorn
unarmoured
wispy blade
if it’s unarmored i feel like something is wrong
but idk
maybe u just have no scaling
split 2/1 then
quiet acorn
it was a than encounter so there were a million of them
so i turtled in a corner and got it over with
cp2 maybe thats why
sd popped with acorn intact looks funny
sinful zodiac
I think you do pstatus with beo pash
quiet acorn
i am
sinful zodiac
welp, rip btw
quiet acorn
he phased and weak wore off which is why u dont see the pstatus icon
didnt expect to win on first attempt anyway so itso k
wispy blade
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1162055859745079296/S...
how did ur poms land
wispy blade
quiet acorn
and snow burst
wispy blade
this was in c35
quiet acorn
apparently im on cp1 not cp2
wispy blade
wat
quiet acorn
because i took ri1
quiet acorn
so i get less boons
wispy blade
max everything except em3 ri0 dc0
quiet acorn
but hs
forest token
My brother in Christ you're doing 50 heat
quiet acorn
lernie is my biggest roadblock
sinful zodiac
took tooth
quiet acorn
dem
wispy blade
what are u even doing in lernie
forest token
dio attack
wispy blade
lernie beo is like the freest thing on the planet just group and kill
sinful zodiac
better than 3 purple one tbh
quiet acorn
it was always in the air
sinful zodiac
you can't really kill them quick and can only block one direction
quiet acorn
i dont know how beowolf is supposed to be fast
its the first time im losing than encounters
sinful zodiac
than encounter spawn steroid enemies
wispy blade
sounds like krill issue
beo is fast
at 50 its gonna be a lot worse at speed
because js3 cp2
but still fast
quiet acorn
i think i needed charged shot
sinful zodiac
is there anything fast at that heat, i can think of eris, hestia and rama
quiet acorn
i like eris because you can button mash and it works perfectly fine
sinful zodiac
kinda need delta chamber for that
or else you just die from dash strike
eris 62 is basicly a god seed, so many defensive boon
wispy blade
i think i needed charged shot
were u playing unmodded
quiet acorn
i didnt have my hammer yet
wispy blade
maybe because we're on ri1
quiet acorn
ðŸ˜
fine
if dem is already in my pool
do i still take keepsake into asphdeo
l
forest token
probably no need unless you didn't get snurst/attack/dash
quiet acorn
ravenous weill
forest token
unfortunate
sinful zodiac
Earing if you’re confident
quiet acorn
last time hs was off and still popped tooth
forest token
earring is mainly for if you need time so that kinda just depends
forest token
last time hs was off and still popped tooth
last time you also didnt have a hammer
do you have a hammer this time lmao
quiet acorn
tooth bad habit i need to drop
forest token
i'd take dem but that's mainly because i'm not that concerned about lernie fight on beo generally
it's not a bad habit at high heat
it's a valid strat
forest token
eh you might as well
it works
if you dont have anything better or want security then it's good
sinful zodiac
I prefer coming into ely with 100 health
sinful zodiac
And acorn is better at heros
forest token
yeah
forest token
fair
sinful zodiac
Rail is kinda dangerous at ely
quiet acorn
so i use cerberus collar as budget tooth
sinful zodiac
Chariot
quiet acorn
i cannot beat than
i see what you mean about lernie being easy
jjust get the damage
forest token
true
quiet acorn
are wells worth rolling for if i dont have hourglass
wispy blade
are wells worth rolling for if i dont have hourglass
only if it's in styx
quiet acorn
i mean how many do i need
wispy blade
if you have the option to roll it's still not likely to get the pom
idk it dependzx
you can get away with a lot less if you managed a good chaos
wispy blade
yeah
quiet acorn
nvm
good enough
hades is quite easy with beo i just facetanked
i wonder if i can do this with ri1
and then ri2
left prism
Can't pick it from the other side?
quiet acorn
i dont remember it was like an hour ago
left prism
Oh lmao
quiet acorn
but i never went to that side so idk how it reached there
quiet acorn
i see why ri is bad
forest token
Lmfao
forest token
should i be taking this trial for chill
I'd do it if you have time and are confident you won't die lmao
So generally no lmao
forest token
true
quiet acorn
might as wellplay family fav and take tooth at this poiint
quiet acorn
what else can i take
forest token
what's your 52 pact then
forest token
hell mode?
quiet acorn
yea
wispy blade
would need dc2
forest token
yeah i just realized that
welp
ri is kinda the only option then lmao
unless you wanna do em4
forest token
lmfao how
did you just not think it was good at heat or something
but like a god for speed
it being a shield basically automatically makes it s tier lmfao
quiet acorn
probably just consecutive horrible experiences on asphodel
wispy blade
beo aspho is baller if u just have the hammer
forest token
false side is doing ri1 so have fun finding it lmao
and i'm doing unmodded so hammer is gone
forest token
just reset for hammer start
Resetting for cshot start is gonna be so ass lmfao
Gonna take permanent hl5 and hs on unmodded
For faster resets
quiet acorn
ive gotten frozt flourish exactly 7 times in a row now
mom pom start and luck into aphro
i cant beat lernie with tooth either
wispy blade
on what
quiet acorn
i do
wispy blade
idk
quiet acorn
i should od 51 with hs off
forest token
how reliable is doom for pstatus
is this beo
quiet acorn
yea
forest token
it'll work
it's kinda like
you have to actually make sure you hit the cshot
with dem attack, the chill stays there for longer so you dont have to worry about the second volley
but with doom you have to always hit the cshot
i wouldn't pass it up tbf
quiet acorn
oh i didnt know that about chill
forest token
okay tbf idk how long chill actually lasts
but it's gotta be for more than 1 or 1.5 secs right lmao
also pstatus doom proc can be kinda fat if it isn't common
if it's common well at least it's more damage lol
forest token
lmfao
this isn't beowulf anymore this is just flat damage soup except the soup flavor is pstatus
bro's got budget epic haste epic rd
quiet acorn
ri is a run killer
forest token
sounds about right
quiet acorn
so any of dash snow burst and attack is good enough for pstatus right
quiet acorn
not like i have a choice really
forest token
snurst does more damage i think but it can be awkward if you preload your casts
lmao true
dash is just cope
i guess the choice would be like
what you had to sell lmao
if it was between cast, snurst, and frost strike
quiet acorn
hermes messenger god more like hermed uc fodder
quiet acorn
i keep reaching heroes with 30 seconds left
quiet acorn
beowulf is hot garbage
quiet acorn
52
hoary pasture
Should be pretty solid assuming it’s EM4
But yea it can be tough at first
53 was very hard for me
quiet acorn
em4 
quiet acorn
i should try ramam too
quiet acorn
i just keep taking huge damage while charging up so im clearly playing it wrong
sinful zodiac
Haelian said something like rama is about holding as long as you dare
Don’t over charge it tho
quiet acorn
atp im just min charging
sinful zodiac
Yeah that’s a no go
Work with point blank but useless with perfect shot
And perfect shot is top tier hammer
quiet acorn
ill start at 40 and work my way up
sinful zodiac
Rama is so much more rewarding than zeus imo
Or i just suck at it
Zeus is weird for sure
forest token
lmao it takes practice with rama, min charging rama is only if you have like explosive shot
kinda hard aspect to get the hang of but it's super good for heat
sinful zodiac
At least rama with earing make 1min lernie
I timed out tart greeding for trial
Turned out to be worth it
forest token
tbf tart times just generally suck lmao
sinful zodiac
I skip midshop for athena miniboss lmao
forest token
also you dont need earring for lernie imo if you have twin
quiet acorn
i skipped midshop for zeus
sinful zodiac
Eris moment
quiet acorn
rama
sinful zodiac
Damn, ap2 so I wouldn’t do that, getting thunder flourish is high roll
quiet acorn
ill start at 40 and work my way up
40 tho
wispy blade
wat
quiet acorn
lernie is the bane of my existence
sinful zodiac
Everyone hate lernie tbh
forest token
lernie is the bane of my existence
rama kinda hard tbf lmao
sinful zodiac
As soon as i get gud with the furry, i think i can finally push 55
50 health tart is hard
quiet acorn
what is the furry
quiet acorn
oh lol
forest token
(furies not furries lmao)
bleak grotto
Meg with cat ears 
quiet acorn
i feel twin shot puts me at a very awkward range
everything
especially the elysium spear and sword guys
lernie is actually easy i just suck
bleak grotto
Isn't Rama practically a melee weapon anyway
sinful zodiac
Triple for funky point blank
forest token
especially the elysium spear and sword guys
it's more or less just more practice lol
like it's a bit sketchy but you can def pull off power shots pretty consistently on them
quiet acorn
theres no way their attack cooldown is long enough for that
i am barely able to hit them
forest token
i mean it's definitely doable
vaxon did it with 1 dash, plenty others have done it with 2 dashes lol
it's just practice
and also release early if you have to
but you should have decent time for a power shot
quiet acorn
i dont think ive ever done a power shot
forest token
i mean you kinda have to bait attacks and attack after that
you can take a look at my rama run if you want, im def not the best at rama but it should still be helpful
timestamped for elysium
quiet acorn
ill watch
sinful zodiac
Tailesque didn’t even need to use all 5 charge
quiet acorn
what i should be doing is stop complaining and get gooder
forest token
considering you're doing high heat rama yeah kinda lol
rama is a pretty steep learning curve
imo at least
sinful zodiac
I find it easier than zeus
forest token
it's not like zeus where if you half ass it you can sorta make it work because it's a shield lol
sinful zodiac
Way easier
forest token
is it lmao
quiet acorn
i hate zeus
forest token
i mean rama does have better dps so things are just dead faster
not better dps more like
more chunk
forest token
practice
i mean like
at least you wont die by enemies most likely
because shield lol
like you're probably more likely to die with rama than zeus
sinful zodiac
I died at meg most of the time with zeus
I just straight up murder her with rama
Rama is like aoe hestia kind of damage
quiet acorn
much more than hestia
forest token
huh i personally didn't struggle with furies on zeus lmao how'd you play it
bull rushing with the special across her worked for me iirc
i mean zeus is consistent on other biomes, it doesnt have the big damage like rama
it's much better if you have a bad build on zeus than on rama
sinful zodiac
huh i personally didn't struggle with furies on zeus lmao how'd you play it
I died because of pink circles
Ri2 only allow you get hit like 3-4 times
quiet acorn
i mean you kinda have to bait attacks and attack after that
the armoured spearguys dont even have an attack downtime
i waited for like 30 seconds
quiet acorn
i ddint know eyeballs could reswan into different enemy types
left prism
Yup, they respawn by moving to the nearest dropped weapon
You can see it on the butterfly ball miniboss without problem
quiet acorn
Yup, they respawn by moving to the nearest dropped weapon
wow i never knew that
me too, i guess thats why they seemed to take different times each time
and why they always leave their weapon behind when they die
quiet acorn
average elysium experience
16:40 my latest elysium exit ever
is aphro legendary considered detrimental
wispy blade
is aphro legendary considered detrimental
some people dont like it
beacuse it messes with attack patterns
quiet acorn
apparently charmed enemies can backstab other enemies too
if u have the buff enabled probably
idk if it does more damage or not
guh game crashed
ah its saved
wispy blade
what aspect
quiet acorn
except elysium enemies
quiet acorn
wispy blade
ri badge
hoary pasture
Rama Elysium can be really solid but only after you have a ton of practice with the weapon. Otherwise one bad BP room can kill it
wispy blade
are u timing out??
wispy blade
dawg
quiet acorn
10 min ely'
hoary pasture
Practice is the answer to both. But I would recommend you watch someone play Rama maybe you pick up a few habits that you’re not doing rn
My first 40 heat Rama was 28 minutes
Times out on TD2
quiet acorn
wow
quiet acorn
i saw the fastest 50 was with rama on speedrun.com
wispy blade
its def the best for heatspeed
dc takes barely any time and the build is lean
at 50 at least
32 and 40 theres no competition for beo
quiet acorn
i really only lose most of my time to respawning heads
because i forget to special on them
wispy blade
could start doom lol
hoary pasture
I would probably adjust the pact a bit then try again. Or throw in some 45 practice runs with a tougher pact
Like an AP2 or RI2 pact
quiet acorn
i mean i could just straight up do 50 until i get it
ap2 cp2 js1 would give me about the same time i took for 45
hoary pasture
Yea you could, if the Ely is that bad it might take a while. A few practice runs help you fix some bad habits/ relearn the fundamentals because you’re generally not gonna be stressed to get a win so it can be a good route. But to each their own
wispy blade
id just try to learn to go faster
quiet acorn
ill see
the only other place i actually die is to those armoured snake heads inasphodel
forest token
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1162508303734157373/i...
ri0 js2 and hs would do wonders lmao
timing out could be due to an underdeveloped build
on top of like lack of experience/practice on rama
forest token
since you're guaranteed twin, probably like 120% isn't that bad
forest token
you should get 50-70 from hdash
it's ap2 can't really guarantee that
wispy blade
and 70+ from attack boon
wispy blade
it's ap2 can't really guarantee that
i started hdash
forest token
but like 120% off epic attack and a few poms is doable
forest token
i started hdash
why
wispy blade
lot of options for an attack
and hdash doesn’t depend on rarity
as well as shackle being an option
since rama bossing is kinda free
quiet acorn
thats what i did for hestia and you said i shouldnt do that
forest token
lmfao
wispy blade
rama is not hestia
forest token
shackle is kinda sus if you're not great at rama bossing
and attack well you can kinda get bricked
forest token
i mean youre good with rama
wispy blade
i have played very little rama
forest token
false side is like vaguely learning rama lmao
dont you have like a sub7 rama
or a low sub8 at least
wispy blade
yeah cause rama gud
forest token
you're still pretty good at it despite not playing it a lot
wispy blade
i think the issue was false side not doing powe shots consistently
forest token
yeah he's still learning it like i said
wispy blade
practice on skelly
forest token
i wouldnt really go with shackle and just start with the attack
skelly doesnt help with enemy timings
wispy blade
i don’t think even ocaml has perfect 100% power shots
but you don’t need 100%
just like 70%
forest token
just like 70%
false side wasn't hitting that 70% because of his enemy timings afaik
forest token
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1162524882974814249/i...
cry and try to min charge lmao
wispy blade
nah
id try and separate them
or tag them one at a time
because they spawn in at different times
or
teleport in
whatever
when they move
forest token
based
wispy blade
wat
quiet acorn
wispy blade
rama is so fat
quiet acorn
by the time i charge the archers orwhatever just run behind a pillar
wispy blade
timothy is also cracked
sinful zodiac
Tbh, bp2 is really the most unfair pact, 6 speeder archer and I just die
Like they’re taunting me
Get good with bow scrub
