#h1-high-heat-strategies | Supergiant Games | Page 32

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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that bug

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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that seems very intentiionally exploiting the boss mechanic

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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i mean it wasnt patched out by devs

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so its legit

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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i mean it's more specific, but also splitting bolt bug

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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splitting is zeus specific

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thunder flare is so cursed

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:37 AM

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wispy blade splitting is zeus specific

oh i thought it was just splitting itself

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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forest token oh i thought it was just splitting itself

at least i thought it was

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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i guess we'd see it with rod

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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when the spec was out

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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fair

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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and hitting enemies with splitting

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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either way

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half the bug list are beo bugs

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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no

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icy is worst or 2nd worst

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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thunder flare actually has damage when it decides to hit

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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need double strike

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 AM

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you get jolted and double strike (budget mirage)

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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no

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slciing

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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imo icy is the worst, jazz thinks blade is worse

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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its so ass

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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imo it actually has damage unlike icy

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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wispy blade its so ass

yeah but also at least it can kill something

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iirc 3 icy stones didn't even kill some aspho enemies

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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just get 3 croven shots then icy flare will work

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:39 AM

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i'd get 3 croven shots on thunder flare

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no clue

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i dont follow with the copy pastas

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bruh lmao

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:43 AM

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I watched this years before I even play the game

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKepf4jyn4o

YouTube

IGN

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man I forgot how easy normal lernie is

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:43 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_cPXxq9ud0&t=748s&pp=ygUIaGFkZXMgNTA%3D
u know about this?

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ESA Speedrunning

Hades [50 Heat (Unseeded, Unmodded)] by Ya-GG - #ESAWinter23

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sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:44 AM

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now I know

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:44 AM

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able to clear Heat50 just normally live

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crazy

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3-4 reset as well

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:45 AM

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hestia on high heat is crazy hit or miss, a few room with damage control bp2 with no dash just kill the run

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even if you clear it, the time will kill you

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ap2 moment

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:46 AM

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can't they just use regular shot to clear out DC shield quickly then kill?

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:47 AM

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pseudo flame can't they just use regular shot to clear out DC shield quickly then kill?

no

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:47 AM

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you get overwhelm by skull or can't hit anything with shield guy

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:47 AM

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you have to reload between the dc clearing and the big hit

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:47 AM

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pseudo flame can't they just use regular shot to clear out DC shield quickly then kill?

takes too much time

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:47 AM

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you just dont have the time

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the dc is already back up

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:48 AM

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i guess depends on enemies then

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:48 AM

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yeah sometimes you just get bad bp combos and there's not much you can do about it

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it's why he started tdash at 50 lmao

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:48 AM

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I really hate clone with laser numbskull

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hit like a truck

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:48 AM

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forest token it's why he started tdash at 50 lmao

the aoe i assume

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to deal with crowd DC

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:49 AM

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yep

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iirc in the run someone in chat asks like "why tdash start" as soon as he enters the savior numbskull room lmao

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:50 AM

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I know that from haelian when he try to go fast with chiron

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:50 AM

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chiron is absolutely not fast lmao

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:50 AM

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just use dash and dash strike only up until ashpodel

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still sub10 tho

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:50 AM

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bigp resets for tdash rarity lmao

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:51 AM

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sinful zodiac still sub10 tho

for experienced runners like haelian, sub10 is pretty doable

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even while like messing around lmao

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:51 AM

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on chiron its less of a lock

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because it sucks ass

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:51 AM

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like probably still difficult on chiron and other aspects, but it's not surprising that haelian sub10ed it

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:53 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjhBKol6Hyk
well, someone did clear under 9 min

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HADES Speedrun 8:46 IGT | Any Heat Unseeded | Aspect of Chiron Bow ...

I stream at https://www.twitch.tv/ronniedabearow

Surprised to get a good time without conc volley, room and boon rng was great though. Will revisit in a week or two for a better time. Poseidon dash is a great start as hydrolic might is then in the pool for pickup. Only works for special hammers though as triple shout would be wasted with knockb...

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sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:54 AM

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but why fo1?

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 3:54 AM

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and please dun say this is actually slow, or other weapons can do under 6 so this is not fast

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:55 AM

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i'm only in like chamber 4 or something and i love how it's just bad zag bow atm lmao

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:59 AM

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pseudo flame and please dun say this is actually slow, or other weapons can do under 6 so thi...

i mean

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 3:59 AM

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yeah tdash start

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:00 AM

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chiron is quite literally slowest aspect in the game

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:00 AM

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chiron needs the aoe for speed

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:00 AM

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he has also said common rd isnt enough

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you need epic rd

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:00 AM

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well he's aiming for sub6 so different standards

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you dont need epic rd for like sub10 or 9 or whatever

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up to nalei and cherry

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they're the only ones running those 2

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no clue

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i think cherry is

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:01 AM

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cherry is

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:01 AM

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idk about nalei tho but she prob is

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:01 AM

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nalei was a little ago

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idk if still

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i mean

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aotw isnt determined by a computer

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at least i thikn

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im pretty sure they pick them

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its 24 week

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but random within those 24 weeks

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no then everybody would know

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:04 AM

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wispy blade chiron is quite literally slowest aspect in the game

i think when it comes unseed/unmod, Chiron clear faster than Arthur for

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recorded WR anyway

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:05 AM

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ok well thats unmodded

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modded arthur has a 603

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chiron is like 614 or something

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gilga unmodded only has like a 647 or something

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:10 AM

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wispy blade ok well thats unmodded

lol i dun see any Zeus for modded 1-200

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:10 AM

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zeus has 5:59

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vod is deleted

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:11 AM

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huh

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:11 AM

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but zeus also has a superset of the abilities chaos does

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and chaos has a 5:45

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:11 AM

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did bablo delete his vods

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:11 AM

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no

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it was baj

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and yeah

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baj deletes his vods a lot

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:12 AM

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oh i thought bablo got the zeus stuff

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:12 AM

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splits still on sheet tho

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146523196791726131/1152819245097435156/image.png

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:12 AM

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wispy blade baj deletes his vods a lot

he straight up deleted his accounts lmao

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:12 AM

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yea

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:16 AM

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huh, Chiron unmod 6:17 and mod 6:14

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surprisingly close

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and lol Rama unmod 5:26, mod doesn't exist on the first 100th shadefear

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:19 AM

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have you seen the unmodded 50 heat 7:30 rama lmao

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modded 50 heat wr is like 9:xx iirc

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:20 AM

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way to go, my favorite bow shadesmile

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:20 AM

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for everything

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theres a hestia sub10

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zeus sub10

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:20 AM

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yeah iirc there's a few sub10 modded 50s

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:20 AM

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timothy has wr i think

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:21 AM

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Rama is the 1st weapon to reach heat 60 b4 Zeus Shield, i believe

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:21 AM

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yeah i think so too

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:27 AM

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still, so no one tries to push Rama modded? lol

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:27 AM

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well the issue isn't like

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sack rng, barge, etc

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the issue is 2nd hammer and getting another dash from hermes

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modded doesn't guarantee either of those

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60 heat is everything except ri2

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huh

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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pseudo flame still, so no one tries to push Rama modded? lol

grizz is rn

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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wasn't that hypermodded

mint crow Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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I mean you make it guarantee C1 hammer right

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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but 3 years and no one manage to beat Rama unmodded time? that's amazing in a way

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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pseudo flame but 3 years and no one manage to beat Rama unmodded time? that's amazing in a wa...

its an obscenely busted time

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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oh the 7:30 is just disgusting lmao

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it's basically unbeatable

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:28 AM

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a rama sub6 seed is a low 5 seed on a good aspect

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hyper

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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forest token it's basically unbeatable

make a 30 min about it, and angelic will proof it wrong shadesmile

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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dawg

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it literally says 1.4.0 in the corner

mint crow Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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what’s the igt for the world record run

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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4:30

mint crow Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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Damn

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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pseudo flame make a 30 min about it, and angelic will proof it wrong <:shadesmile:52044798272...

i mean get more skips lmao

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:29 AM

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or 6:13 if you play a real category

mint crow Sep 17, 2023, 4:30 AM

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What do you mean

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:30 AM

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it's beatable for sure but at that point you'd have to get more skips and bigger damage numbers

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hesty has a 60 no?

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:30 AM

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ri3 dc0

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its ri2 dc2 for normal 60able aspects

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rama

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zeus

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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every shield

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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chaos

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beo zagshield

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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eris

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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angel has gotten to dad a few times on 60 dem and nem

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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does luci have 60

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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no

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59

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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bruh

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:31 AM

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if angels 59 is wr

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the frost strike one

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:32 AM

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forest token hesty has a 60 no?

i see a modded 60 clear

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:32 AM

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it was an aspho replace

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:32 AM

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lmfao

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:32 AM

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imagine playing unmodded

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:33 AM

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unmodded heat is impressive but at that high 50 territory is just huge ass

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to play

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:33 AM

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50 heat is lowkey fun

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:33 AM

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it's fun if you know the em4 fight

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:33 AM

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yeah

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:34 AM

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i'm washed for heat so i can hardly make it to dad consistently for 50 heat on em4 lmao

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when i was doing 50 heat beo runs again i made it to em4 dad once and threw the fight

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:34 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1152824909496582214/image.png

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any stoners

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:34 AM

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im stoned rn

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:35 AM

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aren't we all

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:35 AM

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wispy blade https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1152824909496582214/im...

no arti reset

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:35 AM

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Grue...

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:35 AM

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to be fair

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6 stones kinda mirage

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although 2 of them won't last to lernie unless you get midshop + some skip

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:35 AM

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dem special kinda mirage

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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true

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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lord help me im resetting for rd on ap1

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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lmfao

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just dont

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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the thing is

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beowulf the shield

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does not kill enemies

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in ely

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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then get mirage

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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get skips

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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with mirage

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and no rd

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nor does it kill heroes

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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i mean heroes have like another 6k hp

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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just route the run nobody will notice

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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lmfao

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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Grue

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 4:36 AM

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"damn the codex do be opening a lot huh"

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:41 AM

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would this be the worst Heat32 Pact?
CF1, JS3, EM4, CP2, HS, RI4, DC2, AP2

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like this?

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oh, i say the worst, doesn't need to the hardest, but the most annoying to clear

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:43 AM

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need dc2

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:43 AM

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which point to take out?

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 4:43 AM

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cf2

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or cf1

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and td0

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cause td1 is just td0

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:44 AM

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how about this?

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i imagine Beo would be the worst weapon to use

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:47 AM

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beo has block

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:47 AM

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but one cast

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:47 AM

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probably arthur or something like that

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:47 AM

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plus DC2

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:47 AM

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one dash arthur dc2

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:48 AM

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hm valid point

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:53 AM

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pseudo kernel one dash arthur dc2

when Hermes suddenly becomes the most important god lol

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though i still think Beo might be worse

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the dmg is still low without cast build

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 4:55 AM

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if this is td0 then damage doesnt matter

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 4:57 AM

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speaking of TD

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hmmm i wonder how Beo TD3 RI4's like O_O

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 5:01 AM

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arthur would still do worse

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at least with beo you can do a dash strike into a bullrush to eat up any attacks

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:01 AM

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pseudo flame would this be the worst Heat32 Pact? CF1, JS3, EM4, CP2, HS, RI4, DC2, AP2

#h1-victory-boasting message

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 5:01 AM

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with arthur you have to slowly chip away at dc2 while not getting hit with one dash

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:02 AM

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pseudo flame hmmm i wonder how Beo TD3 RI4's like O_O

am i allowed to test this on modded

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i want my cshot

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:04 AM

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pseudo flame the dmg is still low without cast build

it’s fine with cshot

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:04 AM

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just get fully loaded

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tbf 1 passion flare clears tart pretty well iirc

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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forest token am i allowed to test this on modded

lol sure thing, if u stream it 😄

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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i could record it, i dont stream

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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i could stream it

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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based

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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think i already did that

pseudo kernel Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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i will do it but only the audio

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:05 AM

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i think unananas did 32 ri4

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beo

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:06 AM

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuBsVFJ3vmQ

YouTube

ohokwy

Beowulf Mirrorless 32/20:02

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the only one i found

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:07 AM

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forest token i could record it, i dont stream

that's good too

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:07 AM

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wispy blade i could stream it

look forward to that! 😄

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:07 AM

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is this just like anyheat but with ri4

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and i guess td3?

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:08 AM

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pseudo flame would this be the worst Heat32 Pact? CF1, JS3, EM4, CP2, HS, RI4, DC2, AP2

well, it's not this pact

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but as i said, the most annoying, not the hardest

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:08 AM

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oh i def cannot do that on beo lmao

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well no td3 i guess so doable

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:08 AM

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the way to torment urself the most efficient way 😄

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:09 AM

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i could try that pact but that puts a damper on doability by a lot lmao

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i thought the challenge was just anyheat but ri4 which i thought was doable

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:13 AM

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forest token i thought the challenge was just anyheat but ri4 which i thought was doable

the challenge is to clear the most annoying heat32

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:13 AM

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ah

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yeah i'm not capable of that one lmao

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:14 AM

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i can clear Arthur mirrorless/boonless heat32

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but just the thought of heat32 Beo mirrorless shadegrief

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:14 AM

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the part i'm concerned about is the em4 part tbh lmao

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combined with ri4 at least

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:14 AM

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imo, i see heat64 Beo more impossible than Arthur

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:15 AM

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they're both pretty impossible

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:15 AM

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64 heat beo is kinda like

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:15 AM

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arthur dies pretty hard from dc2

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:15 AM

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slower zagshield

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but every 3rd cshot gets extra damage

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:15 AM

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yeah pretty much

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beo gets shafted pretty hard from ri and dc2 but it doesnt get shafted by dc2 that badly

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arthur survivability is also out the door with 1 dash

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:16 AM

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forest token arthur survivability is also out the door with 1 dash

praise to Hermes RNG lol

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:17 AM

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ok i can stream

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what did u want

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 5:17 AM

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pseudo flame praise to Hermes RNG lol

at that point just run rama lmao

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rama needs the hermes rng and it's actually vaguely possible to do on rama

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:18 AM

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wispy blade what did u want

@pseudo flame

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:20 AM

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wispy blade <@440733607691026444>

normal mode, do RI4 EM4 and go up to Heat32 with Beo

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:20 AM

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o i cant do em4

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:21 AM

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lol then i guess RI4 TD3 HS, up to heat32

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:21 AM

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k

pseudo flame Sep 17, 2023, 5:22 AM

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pseudo flame would this be the worst Heat32 Pact? CF1, JS3, EM4, CP2, HS, RI4, DC2, AP2

i imagine no one wanna do this with Beo shadesmile

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 5:22 AM

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https://www.twitch.tv/vetbaitednv

Twitch

vetbaitednv - Twitch

40 heat grind

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quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 3:04 PM

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which makes getting the boon u want worse

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ri1 or ap1

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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quiet acorn ri1 or ap1

ri1

sinful zodiac Sep 17, 2023, 3:38 PM

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man, losing because of 4 sack feel so bad

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unmodded L

lost geyser Sep 17, 2023, 5:40 PM

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Let's say I can get bounties at 2 heat. If I set my heat to 3 instead, can I gain heat 2 bounties on heat 3 or do I have to have EXACTLY the right heat? Like, running heat 3 twice will get me all the corresponding bounties?

bleak grotto Sep 17, 2023, 5:41 PM

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The former. You'll always get bounties for the lowest available heat

lost geyser Sep 17, 2023, 5:41 PM

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Awesome

rugged hinge Sep 17, 2023, 6:16 PM

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however, all of skelly's prizes can be obtained at once

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:24 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1153029736868630638/Screenshot_2023-09-17_at_10.48.31_PM.png

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how to win with fists its so hard

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i tried lighting and it does piss damage

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lighning

bleak grotto Sep 17, 2023, 6:25 PM

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How in the world so early

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:25 PM

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andi still lost

wispy blade Sep 17, 2023, 6:26 PM

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quiet acorn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1153029736868630638/S...

what is ur ruleset

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:29 PM

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whats ruleset

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the mod thing

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:30 PM

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quiet acorn how to win with fists its so hard

try long knuckle

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looks like you're using breaching cross

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long knuckle surprisingly makes a difference for heat lmao

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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since im starting athena breaching cross lets me not die to time

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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i'll also say that dc2 is worse for ME fists than it is for zap fists

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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i died to hades

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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oh that might be an issue too lmao

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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quiet acorn i died to hades

~~long knuckle would help here lmao~~

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i'd try long knuckle tho

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:31 PM

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i had 5 dashes and 15% dodge and pommed impendingand died in phase one

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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also why no hs?

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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because i died 5 times in a row to lava

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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cp2 is also the reason you're dying to time

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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im not losing time anymore

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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long knuckle will also solve hs sorta

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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ok ill try that

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:32 PM

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ngl taking heat off with ap1 and doing zap fists would help a lot

quiet acorn Sep 17, 2023, 6:33 PM

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next year when i pick up fists again

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 6:33 PM

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lmao based

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 7:06 PM

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i tried resetting sd in a rat room but i got left with 1 hp bouldy

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died to dad

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pain

left prism Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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Lmao

cursive portal Sep 17, 2023, 7:07 PM

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🗿

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 7:08 PM

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my hunter's dash got replaced by thunder dash in aspho

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i'm having a great time with rama 50

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my only semblance of damage was from a c2 chaos with a rare lunge i double rolled for lmao

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 7:09 PM

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forest token my hunter's dash got replaced by thunder dash in aspho

there was an attack replace then i rolled into this

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 10:17 PM

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wave of despair

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and thunder dash

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and poison can apparently wear off

shy plinth Sep 17, 2023, 11:32 PM

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Isn't that dying lament

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Wave of despair is the revenge boon I think?

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Yeah. It's the revenge boon

forest token Sep 17, 2023, 11:37 PM

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yeah the rats killed themselves on me before sd could proc

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 9:53 AM

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quiet acorn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1153029736868630638/S...

Banger build tbh

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Long Zeus gang (Build for splitting bolt and get jolted before heroes and you should be fine) and dc2 slows ME down mostly until you can proc with your dash (in theory strike/d-strike dmg procs DC1, dash dmg procs DC2)

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 10:07 AM

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ill try zeus with possibly smair too

cursive portal Sep 18, 2023, 10:28 AM

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JS3 over CP2 imo

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cp2 is more difficult

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 10:29 AM

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Definitely with Zeus atk

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Crush shot is great for bossing and Zeus call is too good to pass if going for smair

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 10:32 AM

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cursive portal cp2 is more difficult

guh didnt notice i had it on

true wing Sep 18, 2023, 10:52 AM

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is there something like this but for even higher heat

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i just cleared 40 heat with hera. ive been theorycrafting but wanted to know others opinion

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hopefully i don't have to run fo2 or em4 😓

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or td 3 cause i cant even complete that on low heats lol

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 11:01 AM

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i think you need atleast fo2 or td3

true wing Sep 18, 2023, 11:04 AM

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that's so sad but okay

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 1:08 PM

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if i go for dio attack do i aim for the duos or just pom attack and take whats given

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 1:11 PM

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Generally poms if early in the run, then looking for Dio/Ares and Dio/Aphro duos

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 1:11 PM

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like do i take their keepsakes

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or take a defensive one and hope for one of them

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 1:12 PM

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Depends your god pool and situation in the run tbh

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Dio atk is more viable once you have to activate any level of RI heat-wise, but I guess it depends your playstyle and if you feel it could fit better

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 1:27 PM

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nvm it does -3 dmg per hit

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 1:30 PM

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It's great to chain rotations (repeated 5stacks hits and run)

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 1:36 PM

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yea but it takes forever

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i had one min left for heroes and died anyway

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 1:42 PM

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Ely is an even bigger dps check than usual for heat fists. You have to either rely on Hermes highroll, skips or maximizing safe dps while minimizing down time (main argument in Long Knuckles favor)

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oh and not have a terrible luck on EM3 spin2win bull bouldy

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 1:45 PM

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im currently starting athena and taking whichever of dio zeus or ares i see in tart

near iron Sep 18, 2023, 1:48 PM

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I've been trying to beat 34 heat with every aspect and I'm stuck on arthur, is there any reliable strat for it?

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 1:57 PM

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near iron I've been trying to beat 34 heat with every aspect and I'm stuck on arthur, is t...

it just sucks

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avoid FO if you’re not used to it

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make sure u don’t have dc

near iron Sep 18, 2023, 2:21 PM

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wispy blade it just sucks

It really does

ashen garnet Sep 18, 2023, 2:33 PM

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quiet acorn im currently starting athena and taking whichever of dio zeus or ares i see in t...

Athena aspho is arguably better to stack the extra dd, and you save so much time in tart starting zeus/dio/ares atk

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 2:36 PM

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im bad i die without divine dash

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lmao

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 2:37 PM

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if ur doing athena start u kinda need dc0 for time

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and then u kinda gotta play it like anyheat hammer start

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which sucks because you have no hc

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 2:38 PM

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i mean time hasnt been a problem so far except with dio

river jacinth Sep 18, 2023, 2:44 PM

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Hmm I’m gonna go into the heat the first time

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Can I diamond farm?

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Any tips on diamond farming?

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 2:44 PM

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uh

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you diamond farm by playing new heat

river jacinth Sep 18, 2023, 3:30 PM

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Ok

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 4:16 PM

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im using abyssal soul is that a mistake

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:17 PM

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yes

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 4:18 PM

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but i. keep dying to asterius and hades

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only

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and the other thing doesnt afffect flat damage anyway

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:19 PM

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it affects special

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 4:26 PM

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is it that significant

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base charged special does like 220 damage

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:26 PM

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quiet acorn base charged special does like 220 damage

with athena its more

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with boiling blood its more

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and like

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fists base damage isnt 0

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you still get attack damage from it

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 4:27 PM

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but is it significant enough to use over 1/3 boss dmg and speed reduction

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:27 PM

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yes

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1146523196791726131/1153366932708401313/image.png

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this is from baj

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when asked if abyssal is owrth using

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fists are not in this niche

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 4:29 PM

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isnt fists just weaker eris

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:29 PM

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fists are not ranged

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:50 PM

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true wing i just cleared 40 heat with hera. ive been theorycrafting but wanted to know oth...

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1151055853621891072/image.png?width=1191&height=670

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this is like the standard 40 pact

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depending on the aspect you can take dc2 but it will slow you down for td3

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ngl there's not much else to take at 40 that won't screw you over for time unless you want to do td2 js3

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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you can do the le epic one

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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elaborate

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1153356637579513978/image.png?width=1440&height=353

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:51 PM

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my brother in christ that's barely readable

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is that js3

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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hl5 lc4 cf1 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc hs ap1 td3 pl

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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decent chance they're not using hell mode

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but also that pact is horrible and no one should do it

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc hs ap1 td3

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it was actually free

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no fo is so funny

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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not everyone can play like you

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:52 PM

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its so hard to get hit

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:53 PM

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you're playing charged skewer guan yu

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it's a pretty safe build

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 4:53 PM

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yea

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it was so le epic

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one ely room took 2 minutes

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 4:56 PM

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sounds about right

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 6:04 PM

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i think i unlearned hades

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somehow

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i died in phase 1 with 4 dashes and smair aphro call

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the 33%- 66% part

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 6:05 PM

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sometimes you just unga bunga too hard

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 6:05 PM

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i had patty buff and acorn too

forest token Sep 18, 2023, 6:05 PM

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unga bunga moment

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i've had that happen a few times lmao

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it happens

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"oh there goes my hp"

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 6:06 PM

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it happened the past 3 times

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lmao

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i probably have to get an epic rd super pommed ME build to out damage him

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so getting hit wont matter

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oh wait, i did that

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and lost

mint crow Sep 18, 2023, 7:22 PM

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Still not really. Use bow if you want range

mint crow Sep 18, 2023, 7:39 PM

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But zag, Chiron and Hera aren’t

wispy blade Sep 18, 2023, 7:49 PM

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mint crow But zag, Chiron and Hera aren’t

zag and hera are

quiet acorn Sep 18, 2023, 10:00 PM

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yea idk what happened

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i tried a run with just fo2 and still died to haades 1st phase

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 1:51 PM

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i guess i just had some sort of mental block i guess

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playing some hestia fixed it

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 3:53 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1153720434886455336/Screenshot_2023-09-19_at_9.19.48_PM.png

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lol this is the fastest ive reached heroes

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and fastest ive died here too

forest token Sep 19, 2023, 4:48 PM

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that's a lot of chaos lmao

hoary pasture Sep 19, 2023, 4:51 PM

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That's the same pact i used 🗿

wispy blade Sep 19, 2023, 4:52 PM

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bro thats cursed

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its hestia take ri

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 4:53 PM

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idk it works

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i consistently reach hades

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except when i died to a sawblade in styx

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 9:03 PM

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ri2 ap1 is much easier

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thank

wispy blade Sep 19, 2023, 9:04 PM

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widecharon3

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 9:04 PM

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chaos seems to be the only important thing here

wispy blade Sep 19, 2023, 9:04 PM

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whats ur hammer set for

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 9:05 PM

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rico

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hazard bomb looks like it could be useful but i find it hard getting the special into the cycle

wispy blade Sep 19, 2023, 9:06 PM

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set to hazard

quiet acorn Sep 19, 2023, 9:06 PM

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i end up reloading 2 -3 times in a row and specialing when its on cooldown

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the only thing i currentlyhave a problem with is the hades fight

quiet acorn Sep 20, 2023, 12:13 PM

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does flurry fire make the first shot come out faster

sinful zodiac Sep 21, 2023, 5:59 AM

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Where can I find baj old zeus guide if it even existed?

wispy blade Sep 21, 2023, 6:02 AM

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sinful zodiac Where can I find baj old zeus guide if it even existed?

https://pastebin.com/pTiZmtuL

Pastebin

Zeus shield guide (Draft #3) - Pastebin.com

Pastebin.com is the number one paste tool since 2002. Pastebin is a website where you can store text online for a set period of time.

sinful zodiac Sep 21, 2023, 2:18 PM

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been trying for hestia 45, greed for athena revive, died at asterius miniboss

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it was the run I got epic aphro strike too

sinful zodiac Sep 22, 2023, 12:26 AM

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I yolo that run with purse to shackle

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Got aphro in aspho, athena dash first chamber

sinful zodiac Sep 22, 2023, 2:57 PM

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modpack sure is life changing, I got to dad 49 heat first try

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explosive return is so important for zeus

forest token Sep 22, 2023, 3:26 PM

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Yeah modpack kinda good

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Styx is a breeze, no rng

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The hammer you want makes build making more reliable so hear and speed is so much better

ashen garnet Sep 22, 2023, 3:27 PM

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~~MM barge tho~~

forest token Sep 22, 2023, 4:14 PM

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I'd rather have mm barge than power couple lmao

mint crow Sep 23, 2023, 4:36 AM

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Not exactly high heat but in #h1-victory-boasting I see a lot of like sub minute Asphodel (not including lernie) and I need to get a better time in there any general tips on how to play there

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Or am I reading the times in the victory screens wrong

shy plinth Sep 23, 2023, 4:44 AM

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Sub minute??

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Where are you looking

mint crow Sep 23, 2023, 4:57 AM

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Yeah looked in the wrong spot then

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was prob lernie boss timer

shy plinth Sep 23, 2023, 5:04 AM

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You might be confused by seeing the timer in the lower left corner

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Tight deadline timer stacks leftover time

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So if it looks high that probably just means a fast tartarus and a fast asphodel

forest token Sep 23, 2023, 6:10 AM

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mint crow Not exactly high heat but in <#725021639506526249> I see a lot of like sub minut...

sub1 asphodel is very uncommon

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you'd only see them in sub6 runs typically

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sub6 and below

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for asphodel time you need to add the Asphodel and Lernie times in the splits

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for faster aspho times, getting good at lernie is just more practice, could make a save state if you can

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being patient with enemies is important because they all jump

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try to identify the type of enemy waves you're going to have by seeing the first few enemies

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try to adjust accordingly and try to kill troublesome enemies off spawn like the thwomp and wavemaker

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if you see a ton of bloodless, try to hug a corner to manip their spawns so they dont spawn everywhere

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same applies for spreaders so they dont spawn too far

hoary pasture Sep 23, 2023, 7:15 AM

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I have like 2 or 3

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🗿

normal junco Sep 23, 2023, 4:24 PM

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mint crow Not exactly high heat but in <#725021639506526249> I see a lot of like sub minut...

your best possible place to learn about this is the speedrunning discord. it's pinned somewhere in here? but here it is https://discord.gg/zN7cc8Z

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and i absolutely hate shilling this but here's a guide i made to introduce people to going faster https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI

YouTube

SleepSoul

How to Speedrun Hades - Basic Guide (2022)

Community Discord: https://discord.gg/zN7cc8Z
My Twitch channel: https://twitch.tv/sleep_soul
Text version of this guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/16aaLsNytmQFv9JCJN4huTzGqQAREDGezD_fkQe5b4Ms/edit
Collection of other guides: https://www.speedrun.com/hades/guide/1i726

Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:44 Leaderboard Categories
1:36 Getting Star...

▶ Play video

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but i'd echo what the others are saying up there- a sub-1 asphodel, while possible, is not beginner speedrunner material. it's feasible on a small number of aspects, for very skilled players, with a very lucky combination of rooms

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sub-1 not including lernie is much more realistic, just need to get comfortable on a good aspect

mint crow Sep 23, 2023, 5:14 PM

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normal junco your best possible place to learn about this is the speedrunning discord. it's p...

Thanks for link

mint crow Sep 23, 2023, 5:15 PM

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normal junco sub-1 *not* including lernie is much more realistic, just need to get comfortabl...

That’s what I meant sorta but worded wrong I guess will check out video

quiet acorn Sep 23, 2023, 11:57 PM

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man i just

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got ME in asphodel and reset sd in lava

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but i didnt have my sd

forest token Sep 23, 2023, 11:58 PM

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it do be like that sometimes

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 12:44 AM

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should I try to get zeus call or settle with poseidon

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https://imgur.com/a/d8JSfYP

Imgur

Untitled Album

pseudo kernel Sep 24, 2023, 12:46 AM

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keep poseidon

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 12:58 AM

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time out at hero

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maybe something like dio call would have worked

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 1:26 AM

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tried dio call, no smair zagsad

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died to snakestone after 15:33 elysium

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 3:49 AM

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https://imgur.com/a/ERuDiFR

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Untitled Album

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3 tunnel and no sack

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2 DD from athena too

forest token Sep 24, 2023, 3:50 AM

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it do be like that sometimes

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dc2 isn't doing any favors

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ngl dc only feels takable if you have cshot

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is that pulv blow and fero guard?

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 3:51 AM

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yeah

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really good hammer

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maybe drunk strike is not the answer

forest token Sep 24, 2023, 3:51 AM

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yeah that might be it

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i was gonna say pulv blow is good but it's being limited by drunk strike

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although em4 seems like it's gonna be rough because it's (allegedly) anti melee

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 3:52 AM

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I was planning to cheese him with bull rush and drunken strike

forest token Sep 24, 2023, 3:53 AM

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doesnt seem too time efficient ngl lmao

sinful zodiac Sep 24, 2023, 3:53 AM

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it didn't come to that

wanton jolt Sep 25, 2023, 12:41 PM

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Is there a big difference in difficulty with 45 heat unmodded vs modded?

jaunty falcon Sep 25, 2023, 1:16 PM

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45 modded is quite a fair bit easier

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Well, it’ll take a lot less time to get a good run

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 1:27 PM

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cf2 is more detrimental than I thought, testing some run on 32 heat without cf2 feel much better

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Getting random legendary boon residentzag

left prism Sep 25, 2023, 1:29 PM

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Cf2 hating is totally valid

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 1:36 PM

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cf1>cf2 forces you to skip some shop purchases when you could manage with a tight obol economy

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 1:38 PM

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I’m a centaur heart shopper so when a god I need show up, i’m already broke

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 2:08 PM

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How much time should you have coming into em4 styx?

mint crow Sep 25, 2023, 3:03 PM

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You shouldn’t do EM4 really unless it’s for fun or something

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 3:36 PM

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I’m trying for 50+ so it is good to learn anyway

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 3:38 PM

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i dont think you take em4 until like 58

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:39 PM

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you can take it anywhere starting lowmid 50

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people yell at me for trying em3 56

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and 54

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 3:39 PM

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58 EM3 is fine tbh

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Is that like the maximum to not take em4?

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:40 PM

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if you wanna take ri4 over em4 go for it

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wideCharon3

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 3:40 PM

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Yeah no thank, no sd sound painful

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:41 PM

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ashen garnet 58 EM3 is fine tbh

most people have not spent a large portion of their game time playing monodash

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for us peasants monodash is bad

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 3:42 PM

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Could still cheese monodash with range or shield

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:43 PM

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could cheese em4 with 2 dash shield

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Also, but EM4 bad dusa

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 3:44 PM

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Iirc, 60 heat hestia is high roll hermes dash

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:44 PM

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yea

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em4 monodash doesnt work

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on non shield

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 3:45 PM

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wispy blade em4 monodash doesnt work

All EM4 patterns are monodash compatible, but skulls pull and summons are a yuge pain

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 3:45 PM

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#787779476888354816 message

ashen garnet Sep 25, 2023, 3:46 PM

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Super hard yeah, but it's still possible

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:20 PM

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im trying 52 heat with hestia and keep timing out at hades

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:20 PM

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how much time do u usually have

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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i get to the 2nd half of the 2nd phase

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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hestia dad is like

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3 min

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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i end heroes with less than 30 seconds left

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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on em3 cp2

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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yea im slower than that

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:21 PM

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idk where this timeloss is coming from

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do some anyheat

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get a sub8 or something

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to practice going faster

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:22 PM

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i lose most of my time to armoured dudes in elysium

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:22 PM

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i see

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the strat there is to not get them

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but also dont be kiting much

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always be getting ur attacks in

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if u need to dodge u need to dodge

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but with sd you can be really aggro

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:24 PM

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and then i get the eyeball splitter guys and the only way to reliably kill them would probably turning on aim at cursor

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:25 PM

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get close to them

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and turn on aim at cursor if u need to

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:27 PM

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i start hunter dash and hope for a good attack

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should i start aphro attack instead

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:27 PM

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yes

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get titan toppler

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:27 PM

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what is that

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:28 PM

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divine dash

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lets u play more aggro

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opens dd

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:28 PM

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what does it do other than reflect projectiles

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:28 PM

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deflects everything in heroes fight

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every attack

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and a lot of other melee attacks

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:29 PM

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but arent they all empty dashes

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:29 PM

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?

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:29 PM

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so i wont get hit anyway

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:29 PM

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no

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you dash strike

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:30 PM

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yes but only hit attack after the dash

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:30 PM

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how does hdash proc then

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:30 PM

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im pretty sure theres a window

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with a green flash

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:31 PM

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its when ur dashing

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and u input dash strike

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:31 PM

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theres a green sparkle for a few miliseconds after the dash that fades out

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:31 PM

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wideCharon3

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:32 PM

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well it works

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i never had a problem with dash striking

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ddash just messed up feiry presence when i got it

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:36 PM

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wispy blade how does hdash proc then

i just tested it and the window for dash striking after dashing is significantly large

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:39 PM

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yeah you can delayed dash strike

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:45 PM

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what would be a good pace if i want 4 mins for hades

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:47 PM

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what's your general tartarus and asphodel time?

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those two should (generally) be faster than other aspects

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granted bad bp perks can exist but like generally

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like a 3 min tart leave into a 2-3 min aspho sounds reasonable? i dont really do heat but it's a rough estimate

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:48 PM

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tartarus keeps varying depending on whether i take a trial or erebus gate but it averages to around 3 30

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:48 PM

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that's fine

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although trial is a bit questionable

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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actually closer to 4

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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close to 4 isn't good

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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i dont trials with hestia actually

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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that's good then

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erebus is fine tbh, should save time on future biomes there

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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i usually exit asphodel at 7:00 ish

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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or at least make it up

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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and proceed to take 8 mins for elysium

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:49 PM

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yeah i was gonna say lmao

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leaving at 7 isn't giving you a lot of time considering ely kinda just sucks

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 4:50 PM

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dont take erebus

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trial can be fine

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:50 PM

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early erebus is fine imo

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depends how early in tart

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like c2-c4 erebus is fine

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:50 PM

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yea its usually ffirst 3 chambers

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:50 PM

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if it's bad just reset

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:50 PM

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if its a centuar heart

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 4:51 PM

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yeah centaur heart or pom goes a long way

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+2 on aphro attack will clear you through like aspho lmao

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assuming epic

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but otherwise still good

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and 50 hp kinda just good

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:54 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1155910159353266246/image.png

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this kind of run ends up timing out to heroes

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 4:55 PM

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tried 55 heat, keep dying to furies because ri2

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need to get good then

quiet acorn Sep 25, 2023, 4:56 PM

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50 to 55 is hard

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 4:57 PM

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get hit at meg with ri1 is fine

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ri2 she just 2 shot you

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#787779476888354816 message

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how is he get there so fast?

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 5:00 PM

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a lot of practice lmao

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time and practice is what it takes to get good at anything lmao

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 5:00 PM

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thats slow i think

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im pretty sure u need more time

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unless that was for styx entrance not dad

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angel said 13-14 ely exit for 64 zeus so i guess its good time then

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 5:03 PM

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14 ely exit need 2 sack right?

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feel really tight for 3 sack

wispy blade Sep 25, 2023, 5:04 PM

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yea

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2 sack assumed

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3sack is run dead

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 5:08 PM

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3 sack might be doable for your purposes tho

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what js and cp levels are you doing

sinful zodiac Sep 25, 2023, 5:09 PM

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I was talking about her 64 heat

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Em3 dad is fine, even cp2 can fit a 3 sack with 14 ely

forest token Sep 25, 2023, 5:19 PM

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oh yeah for 64 heat you need a 2 sack unless you get like god skips lmao

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and a really good build

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 2:19 AM

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cursed heroic passion dash

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https://i.imgur.com/5CLjjHI.png

Imgur

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died at chamber 34, suprised it took that long

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 4:28 AM

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the man just had to delete his vod zagsad #h1-high-heat-strategies message

forest token Sep 26, 2023, 4:28 AM

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he deleted his channel

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baj deleted a lot of his stuff

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 4:29 AM

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at least I realized I haven't tried stacking enemies

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mostly just joyriding the disc by running circle around enemies

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which is fun i have to say

forest token Sep 26, 2023, 4:30 AM

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lmao that's a time killer unfortunately

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 4:30 AM

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yeah, gotta re learn how i play then

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but the melee enemies in elysium is really good since they stacking themself

forest token Sep 26, 2023, 4:32 AM

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yeah they're nice

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 7:39 AM

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i watched zyruvias hestia 60 heat

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why do they take broken spearpoint?

ashen garnet Sep 26, 2023, 7:49 AM

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🦋 and Styx poison insurance probably (or insane maxHP, but doubting it at 60)

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 7:52 AM

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maybe try asking the man himself?

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 8:07 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1156139859493277726/image.png?ex=6513e2a6&is=65129126&hm=0026802fa66a4bb889647e528d4d2dcc12f6e9e2ba7e50bd4c9c585c8adc27cd&

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ddash or aid

ashen garnet Sep 26, 2023, 8:22 AM

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Would say ddash, but time is looking fine so both seem valid depending on how safe you feel against EM4

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 8:25 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1156144303031210024/image.png?ex=6513e6c9&is=65129549&hm=fcbe0f8d28485fba1bda977fcee209ba628d25255c74eab338f01545aa88162f&

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lets go with not safe lol

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this will take weeks

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i think dash is bad it keeps breaking pots

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 8:32 AM

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quiet acorn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1156144303031210024/i...

this does not look good

sinful zodiac Sep 26, 2023, 11:00 AM

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what is your worst lernie head? I keep dying because of the lava head

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 11:10 AM

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Those arrow projectile ones

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 2:21 PM

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lol i figured out why the 2nd phase keeps taking so much time

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it keeps autoaiming at the pots

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i barely get hits on hades

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 3:49 PM

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if i have 7 mins for hades is it worth taking 3rd tunnel for a chance at zeus call

forest token Sep 26, 2023, 3:51 PM

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if you already have sack, no

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you could have time to spare but also not worth the risk

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7 min to kill dad should give you plenty to play safe

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 3:53 PM

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i lose patty too

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1156257236440592394/Screenshot_2023-09-26_at_9.19.38_PM.png?ex=65144ff7&is=6512fe77&hm=95d3cff602bfa69678b0d3aa712ef60001f2500f001562d6d8215452e50e301b&

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i have a good enough build

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lol i straight up dont know the moveset

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does the double sweep end with a spin or spearthorw

left prism Sep 26, 2023, 4:05 PM

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Ends with either of them

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Also: https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit#

Google Docs

em4_guide

Extreme Measures 4 (EM4) Boss over explained patterns, 32+ Heat oriented - v0.5 by NephiOH About this guide This guide is the beginning of "putting some words on some thoughts", based on my own experiences. All attack patterns will be faster with Forced Overtime. Make sure you adapt to the pace ...

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 4:05 PM

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left prism Ends with either of them

oh thank god i thought i was tripping

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and thank

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 4:53 PM

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oof if turnedon ri3 just to try it once and aparently i forgot to turn it off for the past hour almost

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without noticing

wispy blade Sep 26, 2023, 4:53 PM

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quiet acorn oof if turnedon ri3 just to try it once and aparently i forgot to turn it off fo...

do u not use 2 dashes

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 4:53 PM

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i do i just nevr noticed

wispy blade Sep 26, 2023, 4:53 PM

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painge

quiet acorn Sep 26, 2023, 5:00 PM

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now i cant stop using only 1 dash

left swallow Sep 26, 2023, 8:53 PM

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why

quiet acorn Sep 27, 2023, 11:06 AM

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ive completely underestimated em4 theres no way im going to beat it any time this decade

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i cant even beat it at 50 heat

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atleast i dont take defensive keepsakes into elysium anymore

ashen garnet Sep 27, 2023, 11:14 AM

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EM4 kinda 4 super pricey heat increments at high-enough heat

quiet acorn Sep 27, 2023, 11:17 AM

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with js2 cp1 i usually get 7-8 mins for styx + hades which is more than enough

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and i can consistently get there

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but i dont even make it to the 3rd phase

sinful zodiac Sep 27, 2023, 11:23 AM

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The spear rush hurt like hell

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And the miniboss in the last part of phase 1

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For sure the hardest part

quiet acorn Sep 27, 2023, 11:23 AM

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im reconsidering using acorn i see why ppl dont use it

ashen garnet Sep 27, 2023, 11:31 AM

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savestates good in any case dusa

sinful zodiac Sep 27, 2023, 11:55 AM

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lose 40 heat with hestia clocket 💀

onyx igloo Sep 27, 2023, 11:49 PM

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what is high heat?

shy plinth Sep 27, 2023, 11:50 PM

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32+, typically

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Though even within that very large bucket, there are many different levels

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:00 AM

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Going for first 40 heat, pact tips?

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Current pact is
HL5 LC4 CF2 JS2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

wispy blade Sep 28, 2023, 1:06 AM

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mint crow Current pact is HL5 LC4 CF2 JS2 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

fine if u wanna avoid ap1

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although id take cf1 hs over cf2

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:11 AM

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Okay

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:19 AM

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cf2 is fine on certain aspects imo

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Beo

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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if it's like a low boon needed aspect then why not but you wont be able to buy hearts

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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mint crow Beo

passion or flood flare?

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Flood

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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i'd do cf1 hs

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you'll need mirage for damage

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:20 AM

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Yeh doing that pact now

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:21 AM

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~~js3 cf0 based tho~~

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tbf beo generally doesnt have an issue with time, but that's dependent on the player lol

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and rooms i guess

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:21 AM

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I can manage what I have now fine

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:21 AM

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yeah you should be fine

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cf1 isn't the end of the world

mint crow Sep 28, 2023, 1:22 AM

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Might be fine w js3 but not doing that the current run

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Got mirage

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And dead to lernie

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 1:34 AM

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it od be like that

sinful zodiac Sep 28, 2023, 3:59 AM

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now i know i'm not alone in dying to that hydra

forest token Sep 28, 2023, 5:22 AM

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sinful zodiac now i know i'm not alone in dying to that hydra

dying at lernie in high heat is somewhat common lol

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you can generally only take like 4-6 hits or something, a head slam is generally about half your SD lol

hardy garden Sep 28, 2023, 10:32 PM

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https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/FBHXp1rg4KDlFjBsvkMDIKWwAu2g-4WScYwt9RrxcdI/https/i.imgur.com/ZSiqWJM.mp4 lernie be like bouldy

Imgur

distant pelican Sep 28, 2023, 10:38 PM

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i feel out of breath after watching that

mint crow Sep 29, 2023, 12:08 AM

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DAMMMMIIIITTTTTTT

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I BEAT LERNIE

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THEN WENT TO RESET HEALTH WITH SD

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AND DIED

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I HAD USED IT INT HE FIGHT

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GEKDBSM

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AAAAA

pseudo kernel Sep 29, 2023, 12:09 AM

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imagine

hardy garden Sep 29, 2023, 12:20 AM

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yes. but i suffer from skill issue residentzag

ashen garnet Sep 29, 2023, 9:17 AM

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hardy garden https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/FBHXp1rg4KDlFjBsvkMDIKWwAu2g-4WScYw...

Using your summon and circling in a fixed direction instead of focusing individual heads (at least, not focusing on melee heads at first since you can stay out of reach) helps a ton with survivability on melee for this phase tbh dusa (also nail of talos is a damn good pick at tart>aspho transition well since it will almost always last until Lernie)

cursive portal Sep 29, 2023, 1:59 PM

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hardy garden https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/FBHXp1rg4KDlFjBsvkMDIKWwAu2g-4WScYw...

why on earth are you playing with thunder dash

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you know about sticky sword right

ashen garnet Sep 29, 2023, 3:21 PM

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oof, did forget about this one bouldy bouldy bouldy

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for the record
"the "sticky sword" thing we are talking about is that when you get thunder dash on sword, if you buffer a second dash strike no matter which way you press the sword will point in the same direction as the first dash strike" #523766792963751936 message

cursive portal Sep 29, 2023, 3:25 PM

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classic

hardy garden Sep 29, 2023, 5:04 PM

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that clip is old as heck lol

quiet acorn Sep 30, 2023, 4:32 AM

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What's the lowest impossible heat by any aspect?

forest token Sep 30, 2023, 4:41 AM

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like "what bad pacts can i take early on that would shaft my run" sorta thing?

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question is kinda weird lmao

quiet acorn Sep 30, 2023, 4:42 AM

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I guess I basically meant which aspect has the lowest heat record ig lol

shy plinth Sep 30, 2023, 4:43 AM

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Would guess like chaos or talos

forest token Sep 30, 2023, 4:46 AM

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i think lowest is like 55 for modded

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on gilga?

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and unmodded i'm pretty sure there's a few at 53, hera being one of them iirc

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and probably gilga

wispy blade Sep 30, 2023, 4:47 AM

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didnt nitr0 do some unmodded record

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nvm

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it was 50

cursive portal Sep 30, 2023, 7:03 AM

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I still need to upload stuff 🗿

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I have a zag fists 57 lying around somewhere

sinful zodiac Sep 30, 2023, 12:16 PM

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don't know I'm crazy or not but I plan to try this for 50 chiron

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HL5,LC4,CF2,JS3,EM4,CP1,BP2,MM,UC,HS,RI2,DC2,AP2,TD2,PL

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JS3 with no FO and TD2 is kinda cursed ngl

sinful zodiac Sep 30, 2023, 2:44 PM

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EM4 FO1 stomped me

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bouldy

mint crow Sep 30, 2023, 8:45 PM

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I think I figured out something for my beo build

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I’m doing HS to avoid CF2 and traps are not fun

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Pots will be bad

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I just remembered sure footing

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is the 90% reduction multiplicative or additive to HS

wispy blade Sep 30, 2023, 8:48 PM

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mult

mint crow Sep 30, 2023, 9:22 PM

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Nice

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600% trap to 60%

sinful zodiac Oct 1, 2023, 4:57 AM

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watching tailesque vod, he always has spare meg

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no idea why

wispy blade Oct 1, 2023, 5:02 AM

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sinful zodiac watching tailesque vod, he always has spare meg

is it heat

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sometimes u skip some megs at heat

sinful zodiac Oct 1, 2023, 5:03 AM

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but he still has like 2 meg at dad

sinful zodiac Oct 1, 2023, 4:26 PM

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https://i.imgur.com/TOuYdiZ.png

Imgur

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no dd lost at lernie

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still feel like I gonna choke lmao

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yep, die first chamber in ely

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2 chariot rammed me to dead

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 4:43 PM

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how important is atk rarity for dio eris

wispy blade Oct 1, 2023, 4:44 PM

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quiet acorn how important is atk rarity for dio eris

meh

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dont reset for it

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 4:44 PM

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ohk

sinful zodiac Oct 1, 2023, 4:53 PM

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explosive shot rama is so weird

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died at hero with it again

forest token Oct 1, 2023, 4:56 PM

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Explosive shot kinda pain

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At least for bosses

lost hull Oct 1, 2023, 5:29 PM

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When is the best time to summon during EM4 ?
I managed to reach the third phase at 50 heat but I didn't manage to get any extra DD from Athena and died so close konata_cry

left prism Oct 1, 2023, 5:31 PM

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I like to keep my summon avilable for dad's summons

pseudo kernel Oct 1, 2023, 5:32 PM

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you usually use it in the first phase

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to get rid of butterfies or just get some more damage

lost hull Oct 1, 2023, 5:33 PM

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I think I was lucky to get the skull crusher in the first phase, the acorn tanked all the hits at that point

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I had a great build but not having a second SD nor Pat is unforgiving KonataCry

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AP1 CP1 EM4 feels way easier than AP2 CP2 EM3 tho

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 5:55 PM

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quiet acorn how important is atk rarity for dio eris

i tried it once and had 10 seconds for furies

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 6:14 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1158104663808282664/image.png?ex=651b0884&is=6519b704&hm=364b54c102c07be13d8005a82d7c4d87fcdfa82457602554fcf48d882d40ab50&

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this worth

wispy blade Oct 1, 2023, 6:14 PM

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quiet acorn https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1158104663808282664/i...

how did we get here

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where is zeus

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 6:15 PM

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ares is my new best friend

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do all ely rooms have 2 exits

wispy blade Oct 1, 2023, 6:17 PM

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quiet acorn do all ely rooms have 2 exits

almost

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bull room and theres one single exit

quiet acorn Oct 1, 2023, 6:18 PM

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good enough

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1088591737309638746/1158105983667683430/image.png?ex=651b09bf&is=6519b83f&hm=dd5e5de1a9b75a801df3ae12fc6659e8843a76e0adc08b90a6bfb098a16418f8&

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we gucci

left prism Oct 1, 2023, 6:21 PM

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Meris gaming

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 12:32 AM

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Dc2 rama use fiery or shadow?

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 12:34 AM

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shadow

quiet acorn Oct 2, 2023, 2:13 PM

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rail has crippled me i cannot beat lernie anymore even with tooth

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 2:30 PM

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Try rama, just 2-3 shot all the head

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Although i’m still struggling with the special on small target

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Can’t aim attack with aim at mouse turn off

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Plus having rsi probably not helping zagcry

quiet acorn Oct 2, 2023, 2:34 PM

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i dont understand rama

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the other day i took 2 mins to beat the sneak

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and died there

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 2:35 PM

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Take sometime to get used to, I’m by no mean an expert but it’s not that hard to pick up

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Sneak with rama is not easy that for sure, maybe just meg

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 4:01 PM

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quiet acorn the other day i took 2 mins to beat the sneak

Tbf sneak on rama is just pain

somber kraken Oct 2, 2023, 4:21 PM

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is there a way to Meg sneak he's annoying asf

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almost lost a zag bow run

left prism Oct 2, 2023, 4:21 PM

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Wait for the teleport and meg

somber kraken Oct 2, 2023, 4:21 PM

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I feel like his 2nd teleport is faster

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and just misses

left prism Oct 2, 2023, 4:21 PM

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There's some strat to meg it as it spawns but idk it

left prism Oct 2, 2023, 4:22 PM

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somber kraken I feel like his 2nd teleport is faster

I feel is pretty consistent
Let it spawn>first teleport and meg as soon as you see it

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If you wanna play safe wait for the backstab attack ig

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 4:29 PM

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how to special on rama with kbm, i just can't consistently hit it

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 4:29 PM

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aim at enemy

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press q

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 4:29 PM

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just get good then

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 4:29 PM

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its not the hardest to aim

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it ricochets if u need it to

quiet acorn Oct 2, 2023, 4:30 PM

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it is the hardest to aim

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 4:30 PM

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not rlly

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normal bow attack is worse

quiet acorn Oct 2, 2023, 4:30 PM

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tbf i forgot how to aim anything

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 4:31 PM

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zag bow is simple because it's much less apm

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 4:51 PM

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wispy blade normal bow attack is worse

you actually have time to aim that while it's charging lmao

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rama special is instant and it's somewhat likely to miss

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for kbm at least

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it's the same thing as flurry hera and we all know how fun that is on kbm lmao

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 4:52 PM

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sinful zodiac just get good then

but unironically it's kinda this lmao

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 4:53 PM

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i mean like

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it also is just not that punishing to miss

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you just do it agian

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 4:53 PM

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How do you aim bow with controller anyway

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 4:53 PM

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with the movement stick

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 4:54 PM

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wispy blade you just do it agian

time loss residentzag

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 5:26 PM

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time to flurry zag bow till i good at rama special lmao

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as soon as my hand stop hurting tho

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 7:29 PM

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Easier to hit or miss lmao

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Fair

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:10 PM

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Second time reaching the last phase of super dad fight
I was so close but got scared because I had 99 HP left and he was one or two full cast away from dying
He healed and I lost KonataCry

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I had a really good setup with two Hestia duos, Apollo's legendary and one extra SD from Athena but I'd have needed a second one apparently

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And 5 bloodstones and a braid and a chaos boosting the cast

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The third phase is really hard

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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I'm starting to consider switching out EM4 with RI or smth like that
Like it's a lot harder but I'm pretty bad against superdad

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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what heat

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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50

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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you dont need em4 or ri

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depending on aspect

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what aspect

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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Beo

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:47 PM

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yeah

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hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap2 td3 pl

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:48 PM

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~~That was fast~~
I tried that combo before but couldn't even reach the heroes and fights feel so slooow
I might give it another shot

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I ran out of time on a few attempts because of JS3 CP2 AP2

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:49 PM

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are you doing pash

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if you get a few poms it's fine

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:50 PM

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I'm doing hestia's cast because I like the dot, the Athena duo and the legendary but I should probably change that for 50 heat

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:50 PM

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wat

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 8:50 PM

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Modded god

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:50 PM

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just do pash

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 8:50 PM

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Hestia, apollo, that sort of stuff

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:51 PM

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dot beo sounds like trash

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literally the most burst damage aspect that exists

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:52 PM

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Hestia's legendary pulls all foes, including bosses, where I put my cast, so that's extremely convenient against tough bosses, and goes well with dot
But yeah I didn't manage to get it a single time so ig I'll try pash

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 8:52 PM

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Most people don’t use modded god unfortunately

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I don’t really know how they function to really give insight

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:53 PM

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Do you have one of those graphs for pash pom scaling? I wanna compare the burst damage

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:54 PM

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it's 60% with half diminishing returns off

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80 bsae

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https://cpecific.github.io/hades-wiki/

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just press numbers on your keyboard

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80 128 162 185 202 213 221 229 237

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:56 PM

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Thanks
The burst damage is actually not that higher compared to Hestia's AMthink but the weak curse could be nice to last longer

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 8:56 PM

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I feel like beo should be good for em4 because of how fast it is

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:56 PM

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lost hull Thanks The burst damage is actually not that higher compared to Hestia's <:AMthi...

whats the hestia base damage

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:57 PM

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Common lvl 3 is 165 burst, 33 dot

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:57 PM

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what is lvl1 vs lvl2

lost hull Oct 2, 2023, 8:59 PM

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lvl1 is 70
lvl2 is 126

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 8:59 PM

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wat da hell they made it 80%

forest token Oct 2, 2023, 9:04 PM

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sinful zodiac I feel like beo should be good for em4 because of how fast it is

Beo is just generally good lmao

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Beo just has the iframe bug

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And prefers to not have cshot for em4

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So slower rooms

sinful zodiac Oct 2, 2023, 9:07 PM

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Is the boon damage inside the lua file, i’m reading the mod code but reading code on phone is cursed

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Just skim through the code, the base value is 70/14, rarity multiplier 1/1.145/1.290/1.435, 80% with maybe half diminishing return

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Can’t confirm the last part yet

wispy blade Oct 2, 2023, 9:23 PM

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pom scaling is either 80/60/40/2

nocturne stag Oct 3, 2023, 8:15 AM

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It's my understanding that the primary reason heightened security is avoided as much as possible is the Hades pots. Is that right?

rapid hawk Oct 3, 2023, 8:27 AM

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depends on the person I guess, but yeah pots will nuke you for 150 damage

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same with Styx traps

nocturne stag Oct 3, 2023, 8:31 AM

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Jeez

cosmic island Oct 3, 2023, 12:44 PM

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i've got heat 10 for the first time, tips for heat 16 ?
(as someone with tendinits this is a HUGE win for me)

ashen garnet Oct 3, 2023, 12:58 PM

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nocturne stag It's my understanding that the primary reason heightened security is avoided as ...

Poison and particularly lava ticks (low overall hp in aspho) can also be an issue if your movements are not precise enough

left prism Oct 3, 2023, 1:01 PM

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Oh so poison is affected by HS?

ashen garnet Oct 3, 2023, 1:04 PM

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Should double check, but I recall that either ticks are incrementing faster or at a higher rate

forest token Oct 3, 2023, 4:23 PM

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cosmic island i've got heat 10 for the first time, tips for heat 16 ? (as someone with tendini...

There's a heat progression thingy pinned here

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Worth looking at

cosmic island Oct 3, 2023, 8:05 PM

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forest token There's a heat progression thingy pinned here

thank you very very much! Looking right now!! ❤️

rugged hinge Oct 4, 2023, 12:48 AM

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rapid hawk depends on the person I guess, but yeah pots will nuke you for 150 damage

abyssal+hs+axe=funny

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:13 AM

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@honest kernel no one wants 5k more hp in dad fight lmao

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cp is just bad everywhere

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it also shafts a few break points and makes td3 harder

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:13 AM

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forest token <@456226577798135808> no one wants 5k more hp in dad fight lmao

I lost my first 32 on Dad because of cp

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:13 AM

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sounds about right

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:13 AM

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zaggrin

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and just getting to him took so long, an Hour lol

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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but yeah that standard 40 pact isn't too different than the "standard" 32 pact

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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(I also did em4 dad)

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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em4 moment lmao

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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I'll try 40 then zaggrin

sinful zodiac Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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except for fo2 part

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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what's your 32 pact btw

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or what was

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:14 AM

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sinful zodiac except for fo2 part

yeah i was gonna mention that lmao

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fo2 is the hardest part if you're not used to it

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that one you have to relearn enemy timings, other ones you can kinda bash your head on the wall and figure it out along the way lmao

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fo2 will kill you in tartarus if you aren't used to it

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:16 AM

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that was my setup#h1-victory-boasting message

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I like em4, em3 is too easy for me rn residentzag

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:16 AM

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oh no td lmao

sinful zodiac Oct 4, 2023, 3:16 AM

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max out lc, hl and use sd

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:17 AM

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honest kernel I like em4, em3 is too easy for me rn <:residentzag:580097451197857816>

i mean sure but also like the idea is to clear heat as easy as possible so you get the number lmao

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:17 AM

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totallyy

sinful zodiac Oct 4, 2023, 3:17 AM

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ngl, those pack looks like good training ground for em4

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:18 AM

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is it lmao

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i feel like if you want to train on em4 for high heat you'd do hl5 fo2 em4

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:18 AM

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sinful zodiac max out lc, hl and use sd

max out lc sounds so scary omg

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:18 AM

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cp if you're feeling spicy

forest token Oct 4, 2023, 3:18 AM

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honest kernel max out lc sounds so scary omg

it's the standard for high heat lol

honest kernel Oct 4, 2023, 3:18 AM

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zagcry