I'm just messing with you, you could bullrush out of the whole underworld with beowulf
#h1-high-heat-strategies
hoary pasture
wispy blade
if you get 20 minutes to charge it 
heady bone
i can beat em4 in 6 minutes right
wispy blade
oh like no time lol you can’t lose
it took me 4 min with 2 diff crappy zeus attack builds
heady bone
nvm i took 84 damage and died
hardy garden
use the power of zeus and just not have to take em4 
wispy blade
use the power of beo and take dc1
heady bone
probably better
wispy blade
is 56 eris miserable
50 eris was free but i hit epic jolted in tart
and 54 hestia was free but that was hestia which is le not eris
pact would be em3 ri2
forest token
I mean it's prob fine
Delta chamber kinda good
Debate is whether or not you drunk or zap
hoary pasture
That is if you get any of them
subtle marten
Even Discharge is enough
Common zeus atk. But if you get rare or epic Discharge
It will carry
I can imagine FO2 is Discharge's favorite
quiet acorn
why is em3 introduced early in the pins when LC4 requires much more getting used to
shy plinth
EM3 makes more sense in the difficulty curve and can be fully internalized by the time LC4 comes around
Once you're at the skill level of pushing for 32s, I would argue that LC4 doesn't take that much time to adapt to - it's mostly about cleaning up boss fights
If you take LC4 first and then get new demanding boss fights, it can feel regressive
And if you're not pushing 32s, you don't need LC4 at all and can stick with DDs - some folks stop at the 16 statue. Either way, feel free to customize the order based on what works best for you, but ultimately I think it ends up being a smoother progression with EM3 earlier
quiet acorn
ive been following your image in the pins most of the time and got fairly used to em3, although i started brickwalling there at 32 heat and swapped it for hard labour and the higher price one
felt easier but probably just a preference thing
shy plinth
Yeah I think generally speaking the switch to LC4 really hurts for heroes and hades because you get used to DDs and facetanking those bosses
Going back to the early run mindset when we had to actively think about dodging attacks was what helped me there
But also, if you're going with my pact with FO2, the jump from FO0 to FO2 dramatically impacts boss fights too - even at Lernie
The most consistent pact for first time 32 clears would be a similar progression but would end up with HL5 CF2 FO0 instead of HL1 CF0 FO2
quiet acorn
FO2 hit me hard the first 1-2 times but now i dont take it off
shy plinth
I had a very similar experience 🙂
But I think EM3 is easier than HL5 on FO, though your mileage may vary
It also depends on what aspect you're using too. EM3 way tougher on fists than on rail or whatever
quiet acorn
probably just what you said about being used to tanking heroes and hades with DDs
shy plinth
It was definitely a point of tension for me that I had to figure out
pure wave
Are you also using a melee weapon?
subtle marten
Makes a lot of sense that LC4 is introduced way later
Its because if youve gotten into high enough heat, youve gotten very used to taking damage less which makes for a smoother LC4 SD shift
left prism
@warped granite
Consider you are giving thousand of hp to bosses
You also bleed time bc enemies you could one shot normally no longer are
warped granite
<@226022048894287872>
Consider you are giving thousand of hp to bosses
I did. but I was dispatching bosses pretty quickly, and I'd much rather deal with that than die from random mobs cus no healing +extra damage.
and the timer wasn't an issue
even with the 5-sack I still cleared it with 30seconds left
I did not expect to get screwd over with the 5 sack twice though yikes
left prism
Also if you wanna see a "standard" pact you can checj the pins here
There is bananas guide and the heat progression guide
warped granite
I watched haelian's video on the subject but I changed some things based on what I was comfortable with
if only I had a hell mode save file i wouldn't have taken the +15% health lmao
hell mode is so dumb that it has an exclusive pact
left prism
Hell mode forces cp1
left prism
Forces hl1, lc1, js1, cp1 and the exclusive pact
left prism
Also if you wanna see a "standard" pact you can checj the pins here
The tl;dr btw is that you don't touch cp1 till past 40+
And em4 till 50+
coral ginkgo
Wait no EM4 till 50+? I found EM4 to be the least of my worries on 40 heat 🙈
left prism
It's a hard fight that also takes a lot of time
coral ginkgo
Although tbf I used a build that struggled the most in Asphodel bc of the slow setup and then just rolled over Heroes and essentially allowed me to slow-play EM4.
left prism
Oh no forced overtime lol
coral ginkgo
I think I landed a total of 5 attacks with the attack-button in the entire fight. The rest was hunting blades.
left prism
You also had an insane build considering ap1 
coral ginkgo
Yeah true
quiet acorn
whats a good heat to go for after 32
left prism
Most people do the jump to 40
coral ginkgo
40 is just a nice round number ^^
left prism
Wait no EM4 till 50+? I found EM4 to be the least of my worries on 40 heat 🙈
Also fwiw I also did em4 for 40 zag shield lol
But that was knowing I wanted the challenge
left prism
Hl5/fo2/em3/lc4/td3/uc/bp2/mm as always then add whatever your weapon is comfortable with
coral ginkgo
Well, Routine Inspection and AP2 are basically never recommended unless you're pushing heat levels that you can't reach without them.
left prism
2nd wave carry
coral ginkgo
https://imgur.com/a/Knxvqhd Genuine question: What would y'all replace EM4 with for 40 heat?
I'm going with Chiron bow and the Heart Rent build. When I replaced EM4 with FO2 and JS1 I barely got to Asphodel, and couldn't get through it, and when I replaced it with JS2 and AP1 I ran out of time in Elysium (before Heroes even)...
left prism
I wouldn't use chiron
I would use fo2 simple as that, just gonna need practice
coral ginkgo
Hera > Chiron I assume?
left prism
Rama or zag bow really
coral ginkgo
Eh
left prism
Once you can't one shot easily hera kinda bad
coral ginkgo
I should look up Rama builds I guess '^^
left prism
I should look up Rama builds I guess '^^
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
By Mike
coral ginkgo
Thanks, I was about to go find a guide ^^
nova viper
I should look up Rama builds I guess '^^
https://youtu.be/Ro6TF42GHAc incredible run to watch
coral ginkgo
Thanks for the recommendation. Watching rn ^^
left prism
Oh wow I think I missed that one
nova viper
I found it really helpful for seeing what I should be trying to do when I went for 50
it's the category record by about 2.5 minutes
coral ginkgo
Yeah I'm training with that now.
My first 40 heat win was FO0 🙈
EM4 is kind of a pushover with Hunting Blades though
Bow is a different story.
forest token
Rama or zag bow really
Doesn't Hera still work at 40
The only issue I see here is bad bp perks
left prism
Probably yeah
forest token
You'd still be one shotting or almost one shotting a lot of stuff
Assuming good poma
left prism
Simply don't get bad perks
forest token
True
vivid venture
Does anything other than dc really prevent one shotting?
I guess mirror cast removal. But CP or lower rarity or fewer poms don't seem for sure breaking.
left prism
At the point that ri3 comes into play most aspects die anyways
Cp/ap/ri1-2 already hurt you a lot, and bap bp perks as mentioned
forest token
I guess mirror cast removal. But CP or lower rarity or fewer poms don't seem for...
Cp definitely hurts Hera
Hera is pretty big on the one-shot idea
It's fine for like tart and probably asphodel but then the chunky Ely enemies have too much hp
coral ginkgo
How much time did you have? I stayed behind cover for more than half of the fight and just let my Blades do the job.
forest token
You can definitely make it work tbf
But like other bows are generally more consistent
nova viper
Hera is pretty big on the one-shot idea
Hera stinky when your casts are stuck inside enemies for 5s with half their health left
forest token
Lmao yeah
vivid venture
Would DC be turned on before CP on hera?
hoary pasture
No
CP gets turned on around 45 heat when you swap to a hellmode file
DC is a solid maybe at around 50 heat from what I know
coral ginkgo
How do you beat FO2 + MM Mega Gorgon with Rama? I always need my two dashes to get away from the rock and then dash over its shockwave, and by the time the attack is charged it flies up again...
Lernie is also really difficult with Rama, but I think that's just practice.
left prism
I just do short charges and chip it away
coral ginkgo
Can you even get a short charge in?
left prism
Or power shot the gorgon and let shared suffering do it's thing
wispy blade
How do you beat FO2 + MM Mega Gorgon with Rama? I always need my two dashes to g...
special+cast at start wait for first volley then go behind it and get a power shot in and chip away the rest of the armor then meg it
https://youtu.be/6RuLw7hyPCw at 7:00
this is with a 0 cycle
1 cycle is easier
https://youtu.be/294LD6xBPkE 2 cycle example at around 7:20
it was a failed 1 cycle
wispy blade
just use meg iframes for the shockwave
coral ginkgo
Okay yeah, that should work.
short gale
I have Lasting Consequences maxed out. Does Nourished Soul do anything?
left prism
No
short gale
Is the extra healing it gives additive or multiplicative
cursive portal
Is the extra healing it gives additive or multiplicative
you cant heal except with max health hearts
and stubborn/death defiance
vivid venture
you cant heal except with max health hearts
Does Guan Yu and the healing hammers not work?
Hermes healing?
jaunty falcon
Those work
vivid venture
Angel playing too much 64 heat
gaunt fiber
Does Guan Yu and the healing hammers not work?
which makes Guan Yu a superior aspect
technically speaking
vivid venture
Oh right. Had good times with that one on LC4 TD0
ashen garnet
I have Lasting Consequences maxed out. Does Nourished Soul do anything?
Works with non standard healing sources (guan yu, cursed slash and draining cutter hammers for instance, but the increment is super small)
heady bone
79 . . .
wispy blade
hell no
heady bone
nvm resetting
gaunt fiber
It's ok for beginners
The classic 32 we have here is obv the best but it requires the player to get good
With that kind of a pact you can make a lot of mistakes and clear slowly
wispy blade
i feel like ap1 is just a lot faker than 2 more hl
wispy blade
js3 td2 i see could be reasonable and i know some people prefer it
but the halfsies hl lc stuff always feels wrong
because the points never drop off in value but hl0 to hl1 is 20% while hl4 to hl5 is like 11%
gaunt fiber
LC would be the scariest part I think
If you run only LC2 you can still lay a plan that involves Dem or Dio
It's cope but I can see that a strategy
wispy blade
lc2 yoptimal speed pact :croven:
gaunt fiber
But no healing would def be super scary. Also time
wispy blade
also i feel like fo would rlly only be worth if someone is planning on going further or is already used to it
with fo1 on the extra points in hl might make a difference sometimes because you could get hit a lot more if it’s new
fo2 wringers still wipe me sometimes on eris
the speeder ones are actually so devious
they zip across the room like that and if u have no hammer it’s so awkward
krill issue mostly but still
gaunt fiber
Yeah FO is def one of the major difficulties for sure
subtle marten
how fast are those BP foes with FO perks with FO2?
or do they just remove that perk if FO2's active?
subtle marten
how does that affect butterflies? I'm guessing they don't get that perk ever?
forest token
now that you mention it lmao
i dont remember ever seeing one
if they do exist i haven't noticed
forest token
the speed perk is pretty noticable in aspho lmao
wispy blade
imagine zoomy bball
subtle marten
how much do those sword guys dash with FO2 and FO perk?
its like fighting an epic Hermes Dash count
forest token
I think like 30 or 32?
Oh dash range
It's the same
It's just a lot faster
And it'll happen more often
I think those are more telegraphed than the shield dudes
subtle marten
i meant dash spamming
subtle marten
FO perked Chariots are toxic af!
shy plinth
We like SD LC4 for a lot of reasons. Facetanking chariots is one of them
subtle marten
teleporting flame wheels!
ashen garnet
Shifter slugger Chariots OSing a defiance
quiet acorn
lol ap is so evil
forest token
ap kinda just sucks
heady bone
only with BP
hardy garden
me
pure wave
AP technically has the best highroll
subtle marten
In which heat does Acorn beat Tooth in every way against Dad?
Is HL5 PL enough?
wispy blade
acorn is better always
some people take tooth on em4
because acorn can get stripped with low damage absorption by bad summons
but acorn is still very good on em4
ashen garnet
Also to note there's a niche use of spearpoint for styx/dad, particularly if you are stacked with HP
wispy blade
just saw someone do hl1 lc2 cf2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 dc2 td2 for their first 32
which is actually pretty sane
and respectable especially if they managed it with no guides
but then i looked down
and they had lc2 sd
makes u wonder why
the build was funny too
rebersiful rama
doesn’t the doom drop anyways on enemies if u have to tag multiple and then charge powershot
heady bone
do i have to do LC4 for 32 heat?
yes
heady bone
btw what's the verdict on FO2 vs HL5?
get hit more often or get hit harder
subtle marten
which one is preferred with PL?
vivid venture
do i have to do LC4 for 32 heat?
No
subtle marten
oh yeah
I cna go HL5, LC1, CF2, JS1, EM3, CP1, BP2, MM, UC, TD3, Pl
nothing much changes from my usual 25 heat attempts outside of actually having TD3
left prism
Yeah strictly speaking, is not necessary
But learning it is not bad tbh
subtle marten
just destroying every form of healing (countless boons and fountains) outside SD is just insane NGL.
left prism
Hearts are often enough/athena dds help with that safety net
And ofc patty with the busted touch of styx darl
quiet acorn
how does the game decide the sack tunnel
solemn pulsar
Random
50ish percent chance to be the second tunnel you take
Higher than 50 chance for each one after that if it fails
quiet acorn
so does it decide if the tunnel i took has a sack or not after i enter it
subtle marten
Tch. First time doing 32 heat and with fists. 0 ME even post-Asterius boss fight. ehhhh
subtle marten
It really doesn't
Wow. FO perks makes Inferno Bombs drop faster and they get summoned faster.
forest token
Yeah armored enemies spawn faster with bp
It's why the eris route has bp1 iirc
Or at least part of it
forest token
Might be both
solemn pulsar
so does it decide if the tunnel i took has a sack or not after i enter it
yes but as mentioned it doesn't make a difference in the end
quiet acorn
is trading HL5 for EM4 reasonable
quiet acorn
yea i did try it and it was brutal
but i thought if u could get used to it it would mak sense to swap with global double damage
forest token
On the other hand
Could learn normal enemy patterns and avoid those lmao
What heat are you doing
quiet acorn
40
quiet acorn
i havent turned it off in weeks
forest token
That's good
Thing is with turning up js and lowering hl is that you still have to play clean lmao
Like you either get hit harder less often or get more likely to be hit medium hard
quiet acorn
i got to the end like thrice in a row but this mf 1 hits my lives
quiet acorn
yea
forest token
Idk start stacking more max hp in ely maybe
Could try the Js thing
Just be mindful of the time and enemies
wispy blade
if you’ve done 32 with hl5 lc4 fo2 td3 40 should be free
forest token
No one does hl5 fo2 for 32
wispy blade
i did lol
wispy blade
hl5 not that bad tho
forest token
Kinda brutal with fo2
wispy blade
if ur used to it like this person is it should b fine
if u can do dad on hl0 without popping sd you can do dad on hl5
hardy garden
just get 300+ hp and patty how ded
cursive portal
so true bestie
cursive portal
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1090457658215120926/...
ch*ron
wispy blade
it was conc relentless
wispy blade
wait what
cursive portal
the bottom hammer is twin
wispy blade
what conc relentless run did i die then
cursive portal
Why are you asking me💀
wispy blade
im on my 2nd washed arc atp
cursive portal
when karl jobst asked me to get some footage for him on 64, i put the mods on and just did a run(right after the successful unmodded clear) and got to phase 1 dad where I got 3 bballs.
what if I streaked though
wispy blade
that was funny
cursive portal
that would have been hilarious
wispy blade
meanwhile ive been grinding for like 4 days and still no 32 sub6
cursive portal
doesn't only mike have that
wispy blade
yea
wispy blade
i got a 606
rt got 2x 602
my 606 was sub6 seed but not wr seed
but i played one aspho chamber like garbo
im not even sure why its so hard
its just like getting a good tart exit feels so much more difficult
cursive portal
Bp
wispy blade
usually i get at least a few 14x exits per session
cursive portal
No hc
wispy blade
but im literally coping with like 158
wispy blade
my original strats were lc2
cursive portal
Or to chaos
cursive portal
my original strats were lc2
with dds?
wispy blade
thick skin doesnt have an upside
cursive portal
Huh
cursive portal
I remember latt trying that
wispy blade
or else you literally cant get chaos
i also every so often try ap1
last time i did i had prem vin blocked out and rolled and it was blocked again
ive settled on standard pact tho
hl5 lc4 em3 bp1 uc fo2 hs td3
but sometimes i put on em2 bp2
forest token
Have you settled on standard mirror
wispy blade
bouldy
forest token
Lmao
cursive portal
Okay but consider
forest token
High confidence into 2 chaos gates except you can't take the second one because you never got a heart
indigo sail
F
cursive portal
Rolldy
forest token
Rouldy
indigo sail
Lol
forest token
Get dynoed
forest token
Lmfao
cursive portal
Dyno is a fed psyop
forest token
True
wispy blade
wispy blade
Satan
indigo sail
Wha
indigo sail
Ohhhh
remote fossil
what does SD stand for?
wispy blade
stubborn defiance
remote fossil
oh thank you
idle hound
We mainstream peeps
I've been looking forward to that video tbh
I love his speedrun analysis
distant pelican
how do i sword 40 heat
thie weapon sucks
i have perished to lernie several times
wispy blade
idk man get ddash
distant pelican
athena start?
distant pelican
theres not really time issues on js2 either
wispy blade
sure
wispy blade
distant pelican
i like range
wispy blade
poseidon:
distant pelican
and the special doesnt feel great to use
prime path
O
distant pelican
rail has the same special but better
distant pelican
i only play nem on sword its the only way i can cope with it
distant pelican
nuh uh
prime path
Yuh huh
distant pelican
i take so much damage on sword i just suck
distant pelican
I cant thing of gun insult
because its the superior weapon
prime path
Special takes 4eva
Well guess what
Zeus attack rocketbomb aph special zeus call jolted smair
Is OP
distant pelican
yes?
prime path
I forgot which side I was arguing for
prime path
Damn it
prime path
daring parrot
WHAT IS THE EASIEST 8 HEAT ???
shy plinth
The pins have a heat progression chart
jaunty falcon
only if you dont find a good attack boon
quiet acorn
okay
left prism
Micro celebrity arc
quiet acorn
for hestia do you use shackle the entire run
how is it supposed to do any damage past asphodel
jaunty falcon
rd clockets
quiet acorn
hoary pasture
Oh so you're serious
wispy blade
where hl5
hoary pasture
Get rid if RI and AP2
Would be great if you can toggle hell mode but yea use CP1 and max HL
wispy blade
worth installing modpack to toggle hm
if u still wanna play unmodded just take it off
hoary pasture
I think its enough without modpack
wispy blade
after
quiet acorn
i thought cp1 would mess with 1 shotting stuff
wispy blade
just get 2 sack
wispy blade
if u want u can reset for a half decent hammer but u don’t rlly need
hoary pasture
Just reset for a good attack or start Tidal Dash
Should have no problems with breakpoints
hardy garden
ew ap2
wispy blade
u don’t need rarity on aph atk rlly
hoary pasture
It's really easy to get with Pride + keepsake
wispy blade
so u can just hit the 1/4 and ur good
hoary pasture
No reason not to
quiet acorn
oky
wispy blade
so pact would look like hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap1 td3
quiet acorn
ive never used hestia befoe this lol
hoary pasture
The main thing is knowing that you can reset the reload animation if you dash special or cast
You dont need to play it optimally at this point but it definetly helps alot
So try to cancel the animation and dash strike all the time
wispy blade
without special hammer u can usually get away with not using it that often
hoary pasture
Your strongest hammers are Ricochet Hazard Rocket followed by Cluster Targeting and Piercing
quiet acorn
so pact would look like hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ap1 td3
does this pact work for most aspects
wispy blade
siren
hoary pasture
Yes
quiet acorn
is hell mode just for the free 1 heat
wispy blade
why do all of my messages have bouldy on them now
left prism
why do all of my messages have bouldy on them now
Emote added to the monthly challenge flair it seems
left prism
Truly a
jaunty falcon
hoary pasture
whats good 50 p[act
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/841266682072530956/1145331646023868447/image.png
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these should be ok
quiet acorn
w/o hell mode?
hoary pasture
just add a point in js or cf
quiet acorn
alright
hoary pasture
You could also do RI2 AP1/AP2 with Dio attack
But RI is painful and Eris is not that safe so I would prefer one of the above pacts
quiet acorn
RI is hard mostly bc of the health right
hoary pasture
The health is part of the issue but it's only in the beginning, once you're good with the weapon it's fine. The issue is with RI1, Dark Foresight is too strong.
Being able to roll boons right away is also great
Instead of waiting for keys
hoary pasture
why dio attack?
Zeus attack starts to fall off in Aspho and Elysium, you'll be doing very little damage unless you get some other source, like Tidal Dash, strong Call, or Jolted. You'll likely get something with AP2 RI0 because of Dark Foresight but with RI1/2 you cant rely on it as much so you go for Dio Attack because it's mostly independent and only cares about poms. It's enough damage, scales well with eris buff too.
And you could just experiment with it, lots of people just do Dio attack with AP2 RI0. And some just go for Zeus attack regardless. Lots of rng is involved with AP2 and RI so you could just get good stuff and win.
There's no one way to do it but ig some are more recommended than others.
quiet acorn
ap2 sounds super unfun
hoary pasture
It is but you get used to playing with very few boons and getting screwed occasionally. It also teaches you to not buy stuff just because you can. Alternatively you can use the first pact. EM4 is tough but the entire point of AP1 RI0 is to get a strong enough build to steamroll it, you'll still need practice tho because it's 50 heat afterall.
quiet acorn
ill stay away from em4 for now lmao
would a pact without dc just have another js and cp
hoary pasture
It depends, in most cases it'll just have RI because CP2 is very painful
On eris DC is pretty easy so it's worth taking
quiet acorn
yea its one of the reasons im using it
subtle marten
oh great. now I never get Flurry Shot or Crush Shot above Common now that I'm attempting 32 heat
jaunty falcon
Common crush shot is nowhere near the end of the world
I prefer twin shot for high heat anyway
wispy blade
eris
you’re unmodded right
no delta chamber is sad on eris heat
hestia would be easier imo cause u don’t need anything on hammer and hammer also can’t brick you like eris can
and also hestia is hestia
wispy blade
ri1 is fine
my first 50 was hestia and i did hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ri1 ap2 td3 pl
quiet acorn
idk hestia kind of makes me die irl when i play it
wispy blade
idkman
eris will make u die in the game instead
it’s so annoying without delta chamber
wispy blade
idk that’s a pretty small probability occurrence
there are 9 combat rooms which could have savior numbskulls
assuming u get no skips
quiet acorn
also the satyr miniboss
quiet acorn
since i play with the atk at cursor thing off it just targets the tiny vermin guys
wispy blade
you can still kinda aim it with wasd
if you hold directional while u attack itll bias towards that direction
at least that’s how it feels
but also it’s reasonable to turn it off sometimes
quiet acorn
ill keep trying i guess
wispy blade
you could do beo 
wispy blade
beo 50 no hell mode is pain though
no cshot is fine
there are a bunch of cope hammers
and h don’t need cope either really
for just 50
because it’s beo so time is not a problem
id take ri1 js2 over dc1
dc so ass
u only need 2 on beo
get the right two instead
eh
if athena is in one sure
or zeus if u need jolted
but i wouldn’t just to get more boons
lone bridge
mainly because nobody has mad tasing tools for the game yet. they take a lot of time and it becomes even more time conuming to make one without good tools. definitely can be done but its just such a massive time sink
tasses would be considerably faster than humans though lmao
as to why nobody has made tasing tools for the game yet, im not sure, but id wager a guess that it has to do with a lot of hades rng being engine level
stuff like enemy placements
could be totally wrong though
quiet acorn
because it auto-aims at pots <:grid:795744032781107241>
it keeps autoaiming to the pot im right next to
forest token
true
subtle marten
How's Sisyphus in something like Hera/Beo in 32 heat if by chance you never get to keep/get any worthwhile atk boons?
This is comparing it to Acorn
heady bone
those dont need attack boons
subtle marten
btw is it possible to get to a 32-heat setup that doesn't ever do TD
I'm imagining if its easier for me to do these high heat without hurrying
rapid hawk
I did 32 without TD
rapid hawk
#h1-victory-boasting message I posted it here, but be wary it includes EM4
without EM4 I'd probably go TD1 as I was timewise in the clear and add I guess convenience fee
and also I did it just for skelly statue, normally I just run 15 heat so I have all erebus gates, I don't care about higher heat
so I'm sure there's better pacts out there
subtle marten
Hmmmm
you picked some very dangerous combos
I'll consider how I'll mix mine
i might go a more safer route of Beo
because i do have PL
PL with your pacts is gonna be a bit rough
with HL5, FO2, and EM4
rapid hawk
yeah I don't run Hell mode
I basically turtled up with shield until I assembled ME combo
had 2 DDs when I got to Hades I think
subtle marten
I'm going traditional Mirage shot
subtle marten
ouch....
so in order for me to get to a non-TD
i really have to embrace SD
and go LC4
i think I'll have to adapt for that
heady bone
lc4 is commonplace for 32
i don't know why you wouldn't take it
subtle marten
also HL and FO2 still
subtle marten
lc4 is commonplace for 32
i don't know why you wouldn't take it
i had the option to avoid it if i go TD3
but TD3 is a killer sometimes with bad RNG
heady bone
this is the easiest option imo
then again, without TDx you could turn up JS and turn down HL
subtle marten
this is the easiest option imo
then again, without TDx you could turn up JS and ...
I'd rather turn down FO2 but we'll see
subtle marten
DC depends
in the arms
If I bother to ever 32 heat every arms
I might go DC2 for Eris with Zeus atk
heady bone
Try a few runs with em3 lc4 fo2
jaunty falcon
I might go DC2 for Eris with Zeus atk
It’s fine to do this
It’s not free heat but it’s much easier on eris
heady bone
Workable on chiron imo
wispy blade
i rlly wouldn’t
i did it a bit for 50 and i didn’t necessarily have time issues it just wasn’t fun
granted it’s chiron so it will never be fun
but even for chiron
subtle marten
how do you even adjust in TD3 if you don't get a 2nd tunnel sack?
seems like it's gonna snowball to a death
wispy blade
how do you even adjust in TD3 if you don't get a 2nd tunnel sack?
for heat below 40 you’ll basically be fine with a 5 sack
and you’ll be fine at 50 if you have a pog build and got some skips
not necessarily with 5 sack
but 3 maybe 4
wispy blade
5 sack is fine with td3 at below 40
forest token
Ngl 5 sack under td3 is still rough
You'd have to actually have a good build not a "yeah this works" build lmao
And a good time bank going in
distant pelican
my fists 40 heat was a 4 sack and i only had 40 seconds left at the end
wispy blade
i havent seen one in months
distant pelican
i think it takes about 4 hours
wispy blade
yea i think that sounds right
heady bone
bro how many hours do you have
heady bone
ah
quiet acorn
probably related to me not closing the game when i finish
i havent closed it in nearly a week
coral ginkgo
What is the lowest heat that has a weapon-aspect without any known succesful run?
wispy blade
several
gilga
pos
zagsword
zagfists
some havent cleared 54 unmodded
i hate you dyno
whatever dyno
sheets both pinned
coral ginkgo
Thx, found the unmodded one in the pins ^^
coral ginkgo
On record though? Or just on screenshot?
coral ginkgo
Oh sheet. Thx.
I'm thinking about pushing one aspect to 50 heat. The fact that all aspects have a recorded run above that gives me hope that I can do it ^^
I'm thinking either Achiles, Eris, or Beowulf.
wispy blade
beo is one of the easiest 50s there is
eris is hammer dependent
achilles is kinda hard
and also hammer dependent
quiet acorn
im going to try with hestia
wispy blade
hestia def the easiest 50
wispy blade
what pact
coral ginkgo
Yeah I kinda didn't believe it when I first heard that Achiles is hammer dependent, considering it's a cast-aspect, but it does use its non-cast kit more than the other 3.
quiet acorn
idr the normal one
wispy blade
u could try resetting for hammer
quiet acorn
ig
wispy blade
Yeah I kinda didn't believe it when I first heard that Achiles is hammer depende...
for 50 achilles i barely used cast
coral ginkgo
interesting
quiet acorn
is dio because you dont need supporting boons for it
wispy blade
what biome are you timing out in
wispy blade
is dio because you dont need supporting boons for it
yea u just need poms
quiet acorn
dad
wispy blade
are u taking em4
wispy blade
do u have trouble with dying to dad from getting hit
quiet acorn
yea actually
quiet acorn
but i think i can do it if i get there with a couple mins
wispy blade
yea
quiet acorn
because i usually have a min left i rush it
coral ginkgo
How do you lose 4+ minutes in Styx? Do you get 4+-sacked every time?
quiet acorn
i think i take a lot of time per tunnel
wispy blade
i had a 3 min fight with cp2
with this build https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1140738575105806346/image.png?width=1440&height=463
but i didnt use hazard cause i was scared
so you can probably do it with maybe 2 and a half
if you have cp0
quiet acorn
my usual choke points are lernie and da
wispy blade
lernie should be fine on hestia
quiet acorn
yea im getting better
i keep shooting before i finish the dash and the shot doesnt come out
wispy blade
you're playing unmodded right
wispy blade
do u start aph or shackle
quiet acorn
aphro
wispy blade
do u reset for rarity
quiet acorn
and reset if i dont get epic attack
quiet acorn
im talking about 45 not 50
wispy blade
do u have any points in cp
quiet acorn
1
wispy blade
how many in js
quiet acorn
https://imgur.com/a/nQPPAP7
.
forest token
Yeah I kinda didn't believe it when I first heard that Achiles is hammer depende...
Ngl I don't think you really try for a cast build at 50 Achilles lmao
quiet acorn
im pretty sure i just have to keep doing what im doing until i get it
nothing to change much
wispy blade
yea you're probably fine
forest token
You probably pick up something half decent but don't really care about where it goes
coral ginkgo
Ngl I don't think you really try for a cast build at 50 Achilles lmao
That's fair, but that also means I might not wanna do Achiles for 50 xD
forest token
Achilles isn't a safe aspect so fair lmao
Maybe on em4 you can get a hunting blades build going but still a bit sus getting there lmao
coral ginkgo
Cast build Achiles just happens to be my favorite weapon, but it drastically drops when I can't do cast.
forest token
Yeah sounds about right
coral ginkgo
Maybe on em4 you can get a hunting blades build going but still a bit sus gettin...
Well that's actually how I did my first 40 heat.
forest token
Unfortunately Elysium exists
forest token
Well that's actually how I did my first 40 heat.
I mean it's doable but at 50 you kinda just die a lot faster lmao
coral ginkgo
But that'd be way less realiable the moment I have to put points into AP
forest token
Js, cp, maybe dc
Yeah lmao
After this week of grinding beo 40 speed maybe I should start getting other weapons to 40 lmao
I keep forgetting to do that
coral ginkgo
My last 6 succesful runs are literally a 40-heat run for each weapon lmao
wispy blade
hestia chaos and zagsword
oh yeah and beo 🗿
coral ginkgo
Some part of me wants to go back to Chiron for the 50-heat push.
wispy blade
dont
coral ginkgo
But Chiron fun
coral ginkgo
Satisfying frrrrrr sound, safe distance, large variety of viable builds with satisfying synergy points, a play pattern that encourages the use of your entire kit...
coral ginkgo
I spent like... definitely more than that on Hunting Blades lmao
wispy blade
it locks u into the animation for like 2 quadrillion years
coral ginkgo
Hunting Blades 40 that is
wispy blade
it deals literally no damage whatsoever
coral ginkgo
But it fun and I like it
coral ginkgo
And if I do manage to do 50 with it then it's a special feat because I did it with a more difficult weapon 🙂
forest token
i spent like 2 hours a few months ago on chiron 50 and didnt get it
Didn't you do some cursed pact
wispy blade
idk
prime path
Whats a good pact for 16 heat meme beam
vivid venture
Whats a good pact for 16 heat meme beam
EM4 hl5 td1 because beams are best a killing bosses and you'll want to see what they can do at the end (or die before then)
prime path
EM4 hl5 td1 because beams are best a killing bosses and you'll want to see what ...
I knowww
I finished it
Amazing run
But
I couldnt see the big number cuz I had em2
Td3 was free heat though
13 mins
vivid venture
Lol my early beams runs were all about safety and 0 speed
Was doing 30s heats with fo0 td0 lol
prime path
vivid venture
Oh yeah mm probably makes the rub straight up easier
bitter fossil
how u doing people, after posting my 32 heat run on a local fighting game cord i got challenged to beat it on 35 heat, do u guys have some pact config to recommend? Zeus shield enjoyer if that matters (i beated that run a couple years ago so im mad rusty)
hoary pasture
how u doing people, after posting my 32 heat run on a local fighting game cord i...
Do you remember what your 32 heat pact looked like? If not then the pins here are a good starting point. Just combine them with FO, CF, DC and maybe JS or HS
Those are okay fillers to get the extra 3 heat in this scenario
bitter fossil
i was about to send a image of the archive thingy but i couldnt 😂
hoary pasture
You can upload it somewhere else and upload its link here, Discord will embed it
hoary pasture
you were cooking something that’s for sure
I would look at the pinned guides. The pact is somewhat all over the place and it’s probably making things tougher than they need to be
left prism
Charged shot spotted, instant good build
hoary pasture
You wanna start by removing CP and JS and trying to raise TD and LC to the max
hoary pasture
glgl
vestal mauve
I JUST SAW THE BRACER WHAT THE HELL WAS I COOKING???
Bracer with shield 😭
bitter fossil
Bracer with shield 😭
Just in case I got hit(which I obviously did 🤪)
quartz mantle
Bracer with shield 😭
omg Dawn in the SGGcord
vestal mauve
AYYYY hello drake
solemn pulsar
omg Dawn in the SGGcord
omg unova in the sggcord
quartz mantle
What is this a crossover episode
Nice to see that this channel is like actually being used lol
I remember there was lik a month long period where no one messaged in this
violet owl
Cleared 40 heat with Zeus shield 😎
wispy blade
gg
forest token
gamer
left prism
big special
bitter fossil
i got the lego on the first biome even 🤌
bitter fossil
aphro special can carry 64 trust
forest token
It actually can
Unironically
Non hell mode
And the funny bubble never procced
heady bone
% buffs affect ER right
wispy blade
yes
vivid venture
Do attack boons affect the spear spin pulse hammer?
heady bone
yea
prime path
https://youtu.be/-FrCOZbYBB8
Hear me out
heady bone
ikr
bitter fossil
And the funny bubble never procced
I saw it yesterday, crazy run
lost geyser
Could I farm 1 Titan Blood per heat level per weapon by beating furies and nothing after? Or do I need to beat the game to unlock next level bounties?
hoary pasture
Could I farm 1 Titan Blood per heat level per weapon by beating furies and nothi...
The latter
lost geyser
Dang so no farming 5 titan bloods on my not so good weapons...
hoary pasture
Just keep practicing and you'll be racking up wins in no time
Maybe look into trying builds or learning how to play weapons more optimally
heady bone
Maybe look into trying builds or learning how to play weapons more optimally
"Just get good!"
prime path
"Just get good!"
😎
analog dawn
"Just get good!"
kinda true...
plush flax
so I don't
like achilles
for non-cast builds
how does one play aspect of Hades at 50+ heat
and also does zag spear work just as well
(i can set hammers i prefer modded runs)
plush flax
sounds about right
is hades like substantially better to the point its worth the clunkiness on fo2
ive tried guan yu but i don't fancy having 17 max health
jaunty falcon
is hades like substantially better to the point its worth the clunkiness on fo2
Don’t think so
I did guan yu as my first spear at 50 and it wasn’t too bad
You get 50 max health with level 5 gy and thick skin
plush flax
artemis or aphrodite
plush flax
You get 50 max health with level 5 gy and thick skin
yeah 17 being like 30% of that with stubborn defiance once you've lost most of your health
part of it is probably just that im bad though
plush flax
yeah 17 being like 30% of that with stubborn defiance once you've lost most of y...
with a few extra health from darkness*
YOU CANT SELL NOURISHED SOUL
WTF
not my ass having to sell a level 4 epic athena call while having a level 1 common aphrodite special, because that's how ap2 works
plush flax
yeah that makes sense but i guess i didn't think about it because it basically doesn't have a direct reward (or any) with lq
sunken treasure not oceans bounty
yeah
+50% resource collection
ashen garnet
YOU CANT SELL NOURISHED SOUL
First time?
Boons dropping rewards are not consistently sellable, but this one is particularly bad for heat
plush flax
First time? <:dusa:522248771409543188>
Boons dropping rewards are not consisten...
yeah that's why id idn't think of it
because i didn't even pick up the reward given how it's completely useless
left jewel
hey high heat loves, genuine question - what would you say is the average amount of hours before most people clear 32 heat? I recommended hades to a friend about a week ago and he just. cleared 32 heat today. for fun?? 50 hours in?? I've played about 150 hours over 2 years and my max heat is 20, for context; I'm a criminally casual player and I focused more on finishing epilogue than high heat grinding so I have no idea how most people do it. this just kind of wowed me so I got curious haha
shy plinth
I don't think there's an average but 50 hours isn't a huge outlier I don't think - your friend is a good player but that's still a lot of Hades if you think about it
Took me a little over a month to get my first 32
left jewel
good to know, thank you!! 50 hours is a good deal of hades indeed I'm slightly worried for what I may have caused
shy plinth
You introduced a friend of yours to a fun video game 🙂
left jewel
true, I have a hades buddy now!! I might actually start high heat grind now haha I'm feeling a bit competitive... I have to get those statues
shy plinth
That sounds fun 🙂
forest token
tbf 32 heat is as hard as you make it to be lmao
various pacts are easier than other pacts even tho they both add up to 32
prob some natural talent there but like if your focus wasn't 32 heat then it's not too big of a deal imo
lost geyser
Is it reasonable to activate 2 or 3 levels of Extreme Measures even if it exceeds your bounty level on that weapon just to get more practice in against the altered bosses? Or are they significantly harder to beat than normal, especially on low upgrade levels?
forest token
em1 isn't too bad, em2 takes some time learning the arena and not stepping in magma
shy plinth
The first couple levels of EM are very good to turn on as soon as you're comfortable
EM3 is a big jump
forest token
em3 can shaft you but it is worth learning if you do plan on climbing heat more later
shy plinth
Yeah
I wouldn't snap turn it on right away if you're pushing 1 heat, but since you're in the high heat channel, we're assuming you want to go to 32+
forest token
if your only goal is just like bounties, then em3 isn't that important until like heat 15 or something? i think that's how long i avoided em3 for bounties anyways
shy plinth
I would still turn on em3 pretty early but yeah you don't have to
Honestly going back to low heat now, I have trouble not just slamming on a bunch of options
forest token
the heat progression says to take em3 at 6 heat which is a bit much if you're just doing bounties imo but it will train you for 32 heat really well
lost geyser
Kay, will turn it on then
pulsar heron
hey high heat loves, genuine question - what would you say is the average amount...
Took me about 120 hours I think but I didn't really try to complete 32 heat for ages
Once I started trying it didn't take too long but had done 20 heat on most weapons by then so yeah
Was just collecting all of the bounties for a long time
wispy blade
depends on aspect mirror and pact
for amount of hours until clear it depends on how u play the game
i did hestia with a little bit of a cursed pact but still feasible and did it first try
if someone is instead doing like chiron with ri2 dc2 that might be a little harder
forest token
(unfortunately not an uncommon pact or aspect on Reddit)
forest token
Based tbh
cursive portal
I didn't complete 32 heat until I was more than 600 hours in funnily enough
just speedran the entire time
wispy blade
was it before or after the nem arc
jaunty falcon
Would have been after
wispy blade
no
i did 54 with hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp2 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri2 ap2 td3 pl
on hestia
plush flax
https://imgur.com/a/pbKMuge this is my pact rn
yeah so same as that
wouldn't use rama i just have it equipped rn
wispy blade
rama would be fine