right after the dash
#h1-high-heat-strategies
wispy blade
karmic ingot
How come none of the guides I found through here recommend Skull Earring? You'd think +30% damage would be worth considering for high heat when surviving on SD
wispy blade
for 32?
karmic ingot
For LC4
wispy blade
because you don't really need the damage for td and you'd rather be either forcing a god in aspho or taking acorn/hourglass in later biomes
jaunty falcon
Skull earring has definitely seen some use at around the 55-60 range
dense oasis
Ok, about to fight heroes
hestia going well, please lord hades
Look at that. TD ran oput as soon as mino went down. Managed to survive with one hp lmao
ofc no way I beat hades now but still, funny
omg I did it
vivid venture
Ball er
forest token
How come none of the guides I found through here recommend Skull Earring? You'd ...
I guess I could mention it in the guide but like others have said it's niche for 55+ to make tight deadline or bank more time for it
If you're relying on it at 32 heat tho then you need to play cleaner/better tho lmao
Could be unlucky with rooms but eh
vivid venture
I still want to try it on a baby seeded speed run with SD LC4
gaunt fiber
How come none of the guides I found through here recommend Skull Earring? You'd ...
Niche use but can work pretty well
It's a rather desperate option however, I'd say.
forest token
you take it when you know you need the time and you know you wont get hit much/often
when those all zeus specials at high heat where done, a good chunk of those used earring iirc
they were a good player anyways so they didn't really need acorn
needed damage more lmao
jaunty falcon
its getting the keepsake to do the damage while you can focus on the safetly
acorn is getting the keepsake to do the safety while you focus on playing agressively to get the damage
ashen garnet
Earring Ely gang 
hardy garden
wheres the forget to change keepsake gang
hoary pasture
I still remember that time you forgot to change to SD before running 50 heat Chiron đż
wispy blade
Just dont get hit
subtle marten
Did Angelic really beat 64 unmodded unseeded?
shy plinth
Yes she did
peak verge
Looks like Angelic did.
subtle marten
Godlike
prime path
I guess I could mention it in the guide but like others have said it's niche for...
Is the guide yours?
wispy blade
prime path
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1028112977100017666/1136793695899897967...
Im partially blind đ
wispy blade
then yes
sinful adder
I'm watching someone comment on the Max 64 heat run and I saw they rerolled some boons? It's been a while since I've played but I thought one of the Heats deactivate all your Mirror talents so how did they reroll?
left prism
I'm watching someone comment on the Max 64 heat run and I saw they rerolled some...
Fated keys upgrade from the contractor still works
And if you had fated persuasion on before using RI, fated keys will still give you persuasion rolls
sinful adder
Ahhh thanks
lost hull
What's the recommended setup for beo 50 heat?
last bluff
To whoever beat Hades at max Heat...
Thank you, for proving that there is indeed, escape
pseudo kernel
What's the recommended setup for beo 50 heat?
can swap out em4 for ri2
and you should probably use hellmode to get rid of cp2
lost hull
oh
right, ap1 sounds a lot more bearable than ap2 x)
What would be the alternative to em4? AP2 and hell mode ?
forest token
The cursed option is ap2 dc1
wispy blade
What would be the alternative to em4? AP2 and hell mode ?
yea this is the pact i used
everything maxed but em3 ri0 dc0
with that it basically just takes one extra thing going right and youâre gold
like a good chaos or something
lost hull
AP2 = 2 heat
PL = 1 heat
Where's the last heat if you use dc0 ?
hardy garden
em4 fun until you get 3 bballs and get pushed into a pot 
vivid venture
How do you get rid of DC on beo? Burn a whole cast? So wasteful.
hardy garden
snow burst helps
hardy garden
can also help smacking stuff during your dashstrike
vivid venture
I assume the dash itself too
hardy garden
ap2 still kinda sucks
chaos usually duds, harder to pom, no mirage shot, hard to get rush delivery
forest token
How do you get rid of DC on beo? Burn a whole cast? So wasteful.
the rush itself
the rush has a pretty large area
sometimes it just eats a cast which is sad but it's still doable
lost hull
Quick question though, how does the game handle the permanent record if I turn hell mode for a few runs? (with speedrun modpack)
ember bronze
Got back to clearing 44, not bad after a year or so off
forest token
Quick question though, how does the game handle the permanent record if I turn h...
I think nothing happens lmao
ember bronze
and it was 44 with HL1 because I am....bad at combat
left prism
Game always shows PL too in the record hell mode or not
lost hull
Alright, just wanted to check
ember bronze
On topic: a while back instead of using the modpack I just edited the game to make PL selectable. This had the advantage that if I saved with PL on I could play on Switch too, and was generally kind of simpler to work with. (It was up to me to be responsible and use CP if I was using PL).
ember bronze
will check later, I think I noted it in the modding discord
dense oasis
Most viable aspects and builds for 51 heat (basically everything except approval process and the mirror pact)
dense oasis
why
forest token
Is this a hell mode save btw
dense oasis
yes
dense oasis
I literally took everything aside from those two and it said 51
forest token
Technically beo but dealing with dc2 kinda sucks
Other than that there's not much else
Eris
And at that point it's probably just the standard builds
solemn pulsar
yeah all you really lose with DC2 on rama is the ability to precharge when a wave is spawning in
which is more of a speedy strat anyway
forest token
60% shared suffering kinda 75% fiery presence
Btw you should take shadow presence on the mirror
Fiery will hardly ever proc but at least you might get some backstabs in
Idk if you should try and aim for them at this high heat but at least it'll be useful
forest token
The true "hold attack" weapon lmao
dense oasis
well
as always TD3 is the worst pact
no contest
ok, no eirs either
lets try rama
dense oasis
I have become so paranoid with TD3, I pause to switch aspects in the courtyard
forest token
That's the spirit
gaunt fiber
Pausing between each heart beat is optimal
pallid pendant
for fist 40 heat
zag or demeter?
đ¤
I heared that at high heat, the zag dodge actually is quite helpful
mint crow
I usually go zag for dodge mostly cuz I donât use special often
Depends on build I guess
But I would take dodge on HL or LC pacts
pallid pendant
is 40 heat
so full HL and LC
pallid pendant
well, since your here
what build should I go for? đ
cursive portal
merciful end or zeus attack with jolted and athena dash
alternatively tidal dash/dio attack
pallid pendant
Thanks! 
cursive portal
could even do a build centering only around the special
and start artemis
but you'd need to get kinetic or explosive hammers
pallid pendant
well, now I gotta do my first 40 heat fist with arty my beloved
subtle marten
what keepsakes tend to be generally used after the initial olympian boon choices?
hoary pasture
what keepsakes tend to be generally used after the initial olympian boon choices...
Acorn/Tooth & Hourglass/Earring sometimes
subtle marten
Hourglass.....interesting
what specific Charon item we talking here?
Jerky?
Casts?
hoary pasture
Yes
Only on cast weapons
Hourglass makes items last til the Dad fight assuming you get a 2 sack
So when you have EM4
being able to pickup some form of scaling is ahuge help
subtle marten
is it like an all or nothing?
what if you don't have any more dices or don't get a pool?
in a 2 sack?
hoary pasture
Well you're guaranteed 1 pool in the biome and another in the interbiome
It's not exactly a consistent strat for high heat but it's all you could do to improve your odds
EM4 is pretty hard
subtle marten
WHEN do you do LC4 and EM4? Those tend to be quite....overwhelming heat spikes
hoary pasture
You're basically never required to unless you're pushing extreme heats
Most people tend to skip EM4
Even for upwards of 50 heat
subtle marten
LC4?
just the spike from 3 to 4 is insane because it shuts down so many items and boons
even fountains itself
hoary pasture
LC4 essentially becomes free heat once you're used to the small HP pool. You always want to take it. To make it work you'll need Stubborn Defiance on the mirror, regular DDs wont cut it.
With SD, if you're low after an encounter you can lose it towards the end and get back up to 30%
The first item from Patty also becomes Touch of Styx Dark instead which adds 50% healing to SD so it becomes 80%. Not nice to rely on RNG but if you're skilled you dont need it, it definitely helps immensely tho.
subtle marten
would it be taken on 32 heat?
hoary pasture
No brainer
It's basically free
Needs some practice tho
You can check the pins here, they have some good info
subtle marten
would it be a safe play to be a bit Athena-centric once you go with SD LC4? Athena dash and Defiance boons?
Can't exactly rely on meeting Pat
jaunty falcon
Yeah definitely
First time running 32 I think Athena into aspho is the right play on nearly every build
gaunt fiber
yeah owl pendant asphodel is a staple for sure
wispy blade
Nah you gotta get the nasty dash
jaunty falcon
Zero DPS
idle hound
would it be a safe play to be a bit Athena-centric once you go with SD LC4? Athe...
I consider learning how to play with LC4 a rite of passage
I too was skeptical but was eventually converted. It's a change on style and brings new understanding of game mechanics
Did you know: you can heal by burning your feet?
heady bone
Phlegethon's vitality
torn ferry
I was wondering, is there a high heat setup where hellmode is preferred because of the one heat from personal liability ? Outside of speedrunning. CP and JS are way too bad for speedrunning
heady bone
50
forest token
Yeah starting at about 45
dense oasis
There is nothing worse than small enemies like the hands or the skulls which come in huge packs, haing armor and that buff that gives everyone around them blue armor
vivid venture
Gets out of hand very fast. I don't think the hands are small enemies.
left prism
Reset your hp with sd now
wispy blade
damn near did
i stood in lava for a tick
i was at 8 hp before
regretting not rarity resetting rn
jaunty falcon
Coping with common attack 
indigo sail
Ayy
left prism
Anvil it away
heady bone
wdym
distant pelican
and jazzothan was never heard ftom again
lost hull
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1138231962398638211/i...
Dem flare
Why
I know it's AP2 but like why didn't you reset at that point 
Lowest damage of all flares
wispy blade
gg
subtle marten
btw when boons give you something minorly helpful but common
and something useless to you but Epic
do you get the Epic just to sell it off?
jaunty falcon
Pretty much always just take the common boon thatâs helpful
subtle marten
ah because you're not guaranteed to be able to sell off the Epic?
we're talking Dio fountain or Urge to Kill or Pressure Point levels of minorly useful
jaunty falcon
Well the common boon now is probably gonna help me more than the chance of seeing +150 gold at the end of the bio
subtle marten
although Dio fountain is really helpful if gotten early
wispy blade
also depends on pommability
wispy blade
yea
thatâs why urge to krill sucks
would be an actual fire boon if it was nonpommable
hoary pasture
Itâs gud
wispy blade
i know
hoary pasture
you just need to get gud at pomming
subtle marten
Does Parting Shot Duo work with Cast-loading weapons?
wispy blade
pretty good on hera
subtle marten
the other's a splash
wispy blade
if ur on shadow with crush sho
hoary pasture
But nothing ever tops mirage so itâs worthless
wispy blade
do u need exposed or something
subtle marten
cause I am loving the trinity of Aph, Zeus, Ath on Hera
subtle marten
nah just got Ath naturally
can't say no to an Ath dash
its a big FU to the Ely Splitters
hoary pasture
Zeus Call is always solid for casual play
wispy blade
huge dad call tho
hoary pasture
Most people donât even know what dad call does
wispy blade
the world if u could get dad call and zeus call at the same time
hoary pasture
If youâre not speedrunning thereâs no great reason to take it
jaunty falcon
Just dash frequently with a level 30 thunder dash đ
wispy blade
itâs still invuln too right
subtle marten
yes
i have no idea
does Unseen mean you're immune to splash?
or just targetables?
I just love Snow Burst on Hera/Beo
it makes for a great shade killer on Ely
hoary pasture
Unseen means you cant be targeted and youâre immune to all damage
subtle marten
Is FO2 something necessary for 25-32?
Because I might have to do FO2 on every run from here on just to get used to it.
subtle marten
huh really
i guess HL5 is less deadlier than FO2
i have yet to implement Deadline cause I'm farming resources still
when should I implement LC4 SD strats?
thats another one i have to get used to
wispy blade
32
left prism
i guess HL5 is less deadlier than FO2
Yeah, it's basically get hit less but harder or get hit more for less dmg
subtle marten
only on 32 huh
wispy blade
all this stuff might theoretically actually happen somewhere between 25 and 32
but donât go by 1
just do 32
left prism
Oh hell mode?
subtle marten
yep
wispy blade
hell mode u get 3 extra heat
to take off a standard 32 pact
that might mean fo1 instead of fo2
td2 instead of td3
whatever u want
subtle marten
yeah forced to take that CP1 and JS1 always with me
wispy blade
u just gotta deal with js1 cp1 pl
wispy blade
pl pretty free
subtle marten
the massive raw damage dad and Splitters can do
hell
EM3 Heroes
have nuke damage
subtle marten
i have to play more carefully sooner or later
EM3 with PL tend to melt DD a lot
when i go a bit risky
also its annoying that Theseus actually gets a hurtbox even when not accelerating
ember bronze
48 down (modded)--think I can make the jump to 50. Wound up using a probably weird setup? Rama with AP2 RI2 and Athena start.
subtle marten
If I'm trying to aim for a Duo or Lego, should I try to fill up most of the Atk, Spec, Cast, Dash, Call slots to make it more possible?
jaunty falcon
Yep, as long as those other core boons donât unlock another duo/legendary
subtle marten
that's.....gonna be difficult
jaunty falcon
Yeah lol
subtle marten
since most tend to
well it's not like i won't welcome them
just that it will indeed be filler if i try it on the 2 gods i want them from
jaunty falcon
On ME you can take electric shot with no issue as long as you donât have a vengeance boon
jaunty falcon
Mirage shot with flood flare is fine to take Demeter on attack/special
left prism
Divine dash too for mirage right
jaunty falcon
Yeah
subtle marten
i do like to try going for Arti Lego after getting MS
jaunty falcon
Certainly a fun build if it comes together
Itâs often more wise to spend rolls on wells, chaos and Hermes
subtle marten
Chaos definitely
as for Hermes, only a few times his boons are quintessential
theyre a great bonuis
but not must-haves
left prism
Rd kinda budget mirage
subtle marten
whats the most used Styx keepsake? I'm loving Acorn
hoary pasture
It's probably Acorn
subtle marten
Yeah I've come to weigh that sooner or later, heat gets so high, and with PL, 5 Dad hits outweigh 100 HP from Tooth
left prism
When it doubt, acorn
idle hound
I'm feeling like trying an earring run, any notions to know?
vivid venture
What's an earing run? I always wanted to try a speed run with LC4 with earing active the whole time.
vivid venture
When it doubt, acorn
Yeah, I'm learning on high heat I want to not die as much to 100% HL and on speed I want to keep high confidence a little longer. Maybe I'd take hades keepsake for speed if no call.
hoary pasture
I'm feeling like trying an earring run, any notions to know?
flat damage
ember bronze
Rama FO2 dad/superdad advice:
The sweep (both doublesweep and slash/slash/sweep) are easy to punish. But how do you handle the skull/spear spam combos? I have a lot of trouble reacting to what he's doing and knowing when to go in. Do you avoid the whole thing and try to clean up the skulls (feels very slow), or do you rhythmically dodge each skull while getting as much of a powershot as you can between each one (and can you tell when it's going to be a spear instead)?
forest token
I've never done em4 rama but my guess is tag with shared suffering then power shot something
It'd clean them up pretty fast is imagine
ember bronze
is EM4 comparatively hard on Rama (would it be typical for 50?)
forest token
I mean em4 is hard in general but I think rama is one of the better ones?
Like you said there's those two openings
A good special boon let's you put in some extra chip while dodging
hoary pasture
Rama EM4 is pretty good if it goes well but it takes a lot of skill if the spawns are bad
forest token
Oh yeah bad spawns shaft rama pretty hard
ember bronze
I think I'll probably avoid it even for 50, trying to learn it never seems to go well (like I learn the fight somewhat, but not well enough to do it with everything else on)
hoary pasture
You can use a savestate with a barebones build to practice it
But yea if you struggle with the rest of the run then you're better off just doing full attempts to get practice everywhere
hardy garden
yeah just give up if first boon isnt cshot
ig you could cope and do zeus explosive return jolted stuff
hardy garden
yeah block kinda op
hardy garden
with non beo shield ri3 em3 might be easier
distant pelican
ri3 
wispy blade
unmodded gaming
distant pelican
yeah
resetting is so painful actually i probably wont give this too many attempts
heady bone
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1097113652496175205/1138607406138540072...
i personally would do ap2 ri2
wispy blade
unmodded
heady bone
oopsie
distant pelican
yeah i did ap2 ri2 hestia for my first 50 heat and it took me over 100 attempts
most of which were resets in tart
maybe ill just do 45 heat or something
indigo sail
Lol
wispy blade
đĽđĽ https://twitter.com/hamletej/status/1689104503218585600?s=61&t=zkj5mQNP2UPQ...
BEST PACT
RI2 DC2 AP2 FO1 GAS
ember bronze
I was going to ask if the pact was unhinged but Iâm just glad I tried it for a session đ
ember bronze
FO2 is harder than FO1 (insert âmost people rejected his messageâ meme)
heady bone
castless achilles
ember bronze
I played the final boss so badly, haha. So lucky I didnât choke it
Mistake I think, but I sometimes experiment with weird things
limpid glade
could aspect of Rama bow be useful for keeping DPS up?
i havnt experimented with it too much since i havnt fully upgraded it yet
shy plinth
I'm not really sure I understand the question, but Rama is good
wispy blade
it has very good dps
shy plinth
What heat are you pushing
limpid glade
im aiming for atleast 50 but i wana do max heat
shy plinth
What heat have you cleared so far?
hardy garden
then play zeus
limpid glade
biggest issue i allways have is tight deadline
wispy blade
whats ur max heat
limpid glade
then play zeus
yeah i know zuse with the shield is the common play, but im a bit better with the bow
limpid glade
whats ur max heat
20 but im climbing fast
hardy garden
uh
limpid glade
im trying to get used to just tight dealine before i go on higher heat because i struggle with going fast
hardy garden
maybe aim for like 32 > 40 > 45 first
forest token
tbf they said that they're willing to put years into doing max heat lmao
shy plinth
Heat progression scales up pretty exponentially - I would strongly recommend taking your journey slowly and build up towards 32s
limpid glade
tbf they said that they're willing to put years into doing max heat lmao
yup
i got nothing better to do lamo
forest token
yeah i know zuse with the shield is the common play, but im a bit better with th...
tbh i think just one trick zeus shield if you want to hit that goal lmao
shy plinth
If you're willing to spend years, then start by building fundamentals
Have you watched vods of clears?
forest token
no point in trying anything, straight up only play zeus and git gud at it
limpid glade
yeah
shy plinth
no point in trying anything, straight up only play zeus and git gud at it
Eh, I think building up a wider game knowledge is pretty important
limpid glade
no point in trying anything, straight up only play zeus and git gud at it
gotcha, tyvm
hardy garden
ig hades 2 might be another silksong and never come out
forest token
Eh, I think building up a wider game knowledge is pretty important
is it? idk if rama or bows in general would help much with learning zeus mechanics
hardy garden
well playing only zeus is boring
wispy blade
also just always you gotta have fo2 on
forest token
considering their goal, other aspects wouldn't be much of a help would it
wispy blade
if you want to build that
forest token
well playing only zeus is boring <:residentzag:580097451197857816>
true i guess
shy plinth
If you wanna be a doctor you gotta get the pre-med degree first
Can't just jump into med school
forest token
Can't just jump into med school
tbf i figured doing zeus at low heat is the pre-med part
shy plinth
I think if we're talking about going from struggling with td3 at 20 then there are some really important core skills to work on
That should not be aspect specific
wispy blade
yea
forest token
true
wispy blade
like build
although build i guess becomes
well like how actual is the 64 heat goal
forest token
might as well get those core skills on zeus shield no?
shy plinth
I think playing the game is more important than grinding shield
20 is so far from 64
It is a universe
wispy blade
about 3 days ago i was willing to grind hestia for a month straight to get a sub6 and i havent actually touched it
forest token
based
shy plinth
I would bet the vast majority of people in the 64 conversation started by just playing the game
So I would strongly recommend playing the game
wispy blade
yea
just grind out some 32s and 40s
if u want @limpid glade you could upload a vod for review
limpid glade
i actually dont have any recording software on my computerđ
shy plinth
OBS is free
limpid glade
the reason i dont is because my computer can only handle 1 thing at a time, trust me i would if i could
hardy garden
if youre serious about this stuff id also join the speedrunning discord
limpid glade
theres a speedrunning discord?
forest token
pinned in #self-promotion
limpid glade
do you mind sending the link?
wispy blade
pinned in #self-promotion
limpid glade
thank you
wispy blade
đ
limpid glade
fair enough there
wispy blade
we all play the game a very normal amount
limpid glade
how much is "very normal"?
wispy blade
about a full time job + overtime a week
limpid glade
oh sweet i do a very normal amount aswellđś
heady bone
could aspect of Rama bow be useful for keeping DPS up?
it's insane for heat
heady bone
we all play the game a very normal amount
well gee i'm part time internship then
limpid glade
it's insane for heat
dose that mean its good?
heady bone
insanely good yeah
limpid glade
ok sweet
limpid glade
someone else said that i should only focus on shield apect of zuse since im aiming for max heat
heady bone
oh yeah i saw
tawdry torrent
I feel like rama is a good aspect for bow
heady bone
i gotta ask why
wispy blade
I feel like rama is a good aspect for bow
it is
limpid glade
i gotta ask why
why the shield or why im aiming for max heat?
heady bone
why max heat
tawdry torrent
I wanna see someone clear 64 heat with some other weapon or aspect
heady bone
I wanna see someone clear 64 heat with some other weapon or aspect
in your dreams
wispy blade
zagshield route
limpid glade
because the challenge entices me, and ive got nothing else to do with this life lol
heady bone
ah well have fun
wispy blade
because the challenge entices me, and ive got nothing else to do with this life ...
years is a long time
limpid glade
i will! im already having lots of fun and im in the super early game
limpid glade
years is a long time
yeah?
tawdry torrent
in your dreams
Hey just saying isn't it theoretically possible?
tawdry torrent
I will make it happen
limpid glade
if its possible it will happen eventually
heady bone
tawdry torrent
It will take years, but I will do it
limpid glade
ill join that lol
tawdry torrent
Cause personally I don't wanna finish setting up my hell mode save
tawdry torrent
I forgot how long it took me to max every keepsake
And to get them for that matter
limpid glade
i mean, you dont need every keepsake maxed for max heat right? some you just wont use so you can ignore them
limpid glade
ahh fair enough, carry on then
tawdry torrent
And I'm sure I'll want to do it again
limpid glade
its fun to do
tawdry torrent
I wanna see if rama is possible for 64 heat
wispy blade
at minimum you need dashes and a good 2nd hammer
tawdry torrent
Funnily enough with thunder flourish and relentless volley
wispy blade
Funnily enough with thunder flourish and relentless volley
no
that is definitely not
heady bone
Rama's limit is 60 heat
with half the mirror missing
tawdry torrent
What other weapon aspect could do 64 heat other than shield aspects?
heady bone
shields in general are just good
limpid glade
guan yu spear
heady bone
i think hestia and rama are contenders
heady bone
oops
tawdry torrent
I absolutely despise guan yu for some reason
wispy blade
hestia drops off at 58 for sane people and 60 for zyru
heady bone
just don't get hit
tawdry torrent
just don't get hit
Lmao
heady bone
whats dc??
lol
limpid glade
acronyms and my brain dont mix lol
wispy blade
damage control
limpid glade
ahh thank you! would never have figured that out lol
tawdry torrent
What is hestia's thing?
wispy blade
?
heady bone
bad at damage control
heady bone
150d
tawdry torrent
Aspect of Demeter?
heady bone
6 hit special
shy plinth
12, but yeah. It's the fist that charges up
heady bone
what
tawdry torrent
Yeah
shy plinth
Oh you mean the special damage
shy plinth
Yeah 12 hits to charge it and 6 total hits when it's charged
Seems solid
That's 50?
tawdry torrent
A 64 heat fist run would be crazy
shy plinth
64 runs are crazy period
heady bone
A 64 heat fist run would be crazy
crazy hard
one dash with fists is hell
hardy garden
fists triple bballs 
hardy garden
i hate all chariots
tawdry torrent
Flamewheels hold a special cell in the deepest pits in my minds underworld
hexed sapphire
https://imgur.com/a/lrbhDEM
I promise js isnât that scary
heady bone
I promise js isnât that scary
it is when you have SPEEDER CLONER NUMBSKULLS
wispy blade
have you tried using the special ability to strip the blue hearts and then attacking them with your main attack for large quantities of damage due to your high base damage and large percent based modifier or double damage hammer?
heady bone
well i was playing hestia that time
heady bone
so mean
jaunty falcon
https://imgur.com/a/lrbhDEM
This is the caml pact
Iâd take off AP2 and add on JS2 CP1
Since Iâm assuming youâre not trying to beat 7:30
jaunty falcon
Oh yeah hell mode too
wispy blade
idkman
ur a speedrunner
speedrun
you can try some anyheat rama for practice
get like a sub8 or sub9 or something and youâre probably good to go
id imagine it translates
since u also have to not get hit in anyheat
heady bone
i "practiced" with js3 cp2 td2
and just got overrun
heady bone
no it's 430
distant pelican
these people wanting to clear 64 do not know
wispy blade
maybe weâre talking to the next angel or something
distant pelican
nuh uh
wispy blade
or maybe weâre talking to the next soon to be washed player
forest token
@signal parcel if you want an idea of how to get through 32 heat, there's a guide pinned here you can read through
signal parcel
thanks ill read it, i tried going in blind and lost 3 DDs in styx and died at dad fight
wispy blade
<@563525590209003553> if you want an idea of how to get through 32 heat, there's...
very good guide
wonder who wrote it
forest token
I wonder who
forest token
Rama kinda hard probably
Maybe I should get back into rama speedrunning
Or rama heat idk
subtle marten
how much heat does the entire EM0 -> EM4 does alone?
Also I'm guessing EM4 is not worth the heat it provides?
wispy blade
how much heat does the entire EM0 -> EM4 does alone?
Also I'm guessing EM4 is n...
10
and yea itâs not
em3 is tho
at like 32+
well
maybe at some point below
like
16-20? idk
and em2 is like
first heat to put on
subtle marten
All my arms are now in a specific heat clear that EM3 now is the norm
although someone did suggest here that my advantages in Hell Mode allows me to skip FO2 for 32 heat
so i don't have to apply it to get used to it
EMs and FOs are somethings you want to be applied asap to get used to
hoary pasture
If your entire goal is 32 heat you donât need FO
hoary pasture
although someone did suggest here that my advantages in Hell Mode allows me to s...
Probably meant disadvantages
subtle marten
well they meant that me having some specific heats active already means i can skip a bit of the nastier ones
although that does mean still tolerating CP1 and JS1
for now my goal is a practical 32 heat for my strongest aspect and 25 for the rest
maybe if I'm feeling it, I'll 32 heat every arms just for symmetry
hoary pasture
Yea itâs worth skipping FO
subtle marten
i know how dangerous faster ASPD and movement speed is
unless you're used to it by always being exposed to it
karmic ingot
IMO the main disadvantage of FO2 is you mash buttons harder and endanger your keyboard/gamepad more
hoary pasture
đż
sterile gull
IMO the main disadvantage of FO2 is you mash buttons harder and endanger your ke...
this is actually so true
i dont find it too hard to adapt to FO when turning it up and down, but my controller definitely feels it
patent mica
decent setup for 32 heat? gonna try zag or chiron bow with sissyphus keepsake. relatively new to the game so if i need to make any changes lmk thanks https://imgur.com/a/dA1iNjk
forest token
yeah take off approval process 2 and routine inspection 2
there's no need to take the 2 worst pacts in the game at 32 heat lmao
i have a guide pinned here that you should read through
patent mica
ah ok i was just gonna depend on hammer and keepsake for most of my damage and ignore atk/special boons mostly
ill check out the guide thanks
forest token
it's hard to avoid some of them if they're forced onto you with ap2 lmao
shy plinth
This is a very common thing that happens for early 32 heats - I did something similar where the "non-combat" heats felt safer. But they're actually wayyyyy harder
forest token
the combat related pacts force you to play cleaner, some of the noncombat ones just make you play like trash through no fault of your own
patent mica
mm yea thats true
forest token
"i couldn't get a good build because of ap2" my brother in christ why are you running ap2 lmao
patent mica
any specific boons that would help apart from like athena dash
forest token
read through the guide first then ask because a lot of your questions are probably gonna be answered there
"specific boons" is hard to define when it's pretty build dependent
patent mica
read through the guide first then ask because a lot of your questions are probab...
myb going through it rn
forest token
yeah take your time
it's like what 30 pages or something lmao
granted you can skip like a bunch of the aspects/weapons and only look for what you want so probably realistically 15?
hardy garden
yeah that pact is kinda cursed
forest token
Lmfao
pseudo kernel
do it
cursive portal
decent setup for 32 heat? gonna try zag or chiron bow with sissyphus keepsake. r...
please dont even attempt that
indigo sail
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/835377117616668692.gif?size=128&quality=lossle...
bouldy spin
shy plinth
Y'all I think it's been made clear that this pact is not optimal
We've all been there
The true approval process is posting a pact to #h1-high-heat-strategies
ashen garnet
Ayy spicy pact lovers 
solemn pulsar
The true approval process is posting a pact to <#725021448426749993>
please don't even attempt that
left prism
chiron gaming
forest token
shy plinth
shy plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1139388267045851187/...
I stand by what I said
wispy blade
blessed
forest token
throwback to when i didn't care about like half the mirror and just used whatever without thinking
shy plinth
No AP no RI? Cheating
shy plinth
Oh that's a good one
forest token
where is the health bar
shy plinth
I love partial LC pacts lol
forest token
it's literally gone
wispy blade
im still a collar stan
it was first try tho
so im basically super cool
and awesome
shy plinth
That's tru
wispy blade
i used to hate the idea of lc4
shy plinth
I also love the 18:33 TD2
hardy garden
acornless hl5
wispy blade
collar strat tho
shy plinth
50 health x 4 health bars is basically acorn
forest token
forest token
i love matty's first 32
wispy blade
blessed pact
wispy blade
and build
forest token
"i can't do em3 and td3 so i did hl5 em2 js1 cp1"
shy plinth
Crush shot and exit wounds are known for their strong synergy
If the enemies walk forward into the cast stones they will do damage
hardy garden
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/884914661970026496/bb758e57-64f3-4452-92cc-f3c8bd962a3a.png pog mirror and poms
forest token
honestly based pstatus
shy plinth
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/858109467787001856/903859849455091722/u...
Wait hold on this is the winner
This is the only pact with OF > DF
hardy garden
shady enjoyer
wispy blade
also the fiery
shy plinth
Fiery pstatus olympian favor
forest token
shady enjoyer
lc2 shady kinda based
wispy blade
when did i install modpack
forest token
yesterday
forest token
honestly based
wispy blade
i did it for the propehcy thing
fight dad with egg
i like that i had zagshield set to pulv blow for some reason
forest token
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1064325507841273996/...
tbf you prob asked about what to take at 40 lmao
wispy blade
yea
forest token
and someone prob gave you their pact
also like there's only 1 pact for 40 lmao
the only debate is whether you want to take ap1 or not
forest token
and if you do take ap1 it's cf1 or js1
i'm gonna do the cursed 32 pact from above
sounds funny
forest token
now do i do unmodded or modded
trick question i'm doing modded because i'm not gonna die to ap2 in c1
Just realized I took tooth into aspho even tho I'm on DDs
God dammit
solemn pulsar
first try baybeeee
even did the sisyphus keepsake for authenticity 
i now approve of this pact
hardy garden
epic aphro attack with poms, hunters dash, no special hammers, smh hacker
forest token
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/790729912163368991/1139395978558971914/...
Damn I just entered Styx lmao
Modded tho
solemn pulsar
Modded tho
fake
this was a 4 sack
no patty either had to BUY those dds
Been a long time since i played FO0 not on fresh file
forest token
yeah i forgot how slow fo0 was
forest token
Forgot to take shady God dammit I just got through tart
subtle marten
well that was an experience
EM4 actually gives him insane mobility
uses the spear like Achilles Special
and the summons he spawned are subbosses
heady bone
it's extreme don't ya know
hoary pasture
TD3 or bust
heady bone
no shame
lone bridge
re: the convo last night my first 32 was extremely standard, but my 50 heats are so based
ap1 ri1 on eris and luci, ap2 dc1 on beo
ember bronze
hmm, we're finding first 32s?
I don't remember if mine was pre-1.0 or not
Ah found it, September 2020. How do I put images here?
wispy blade
post link
ember bronze
This was Chiron in September, but I was actually wrong--this is my first post-release 32
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1139706399291625513/Screenshot_2020-09-25_133531.png
Actual first one was EA pre-nerf Chaos Shield special spam: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1139706398989631579/Annotation_2020-06-24_013251.png?width=1291&height=731
This is when Dark Foresight was 10%, before they buffed it because people didn't think it was good
wispy blade
This was Chiron in September, but I was actually wrong--this is my first post-re...
cursed pact
sand vapor
hello, sorry if my question is stupid but shouldnt 64 heat be theoretically possible with the rail? ik tha the chances would be soo few probably and it would require so much skill but at least is it theoretically with perfect play and with perfect luck possible?
wispy blade
not enough safety
sand vapor
not enough safety
if the player played perfectly? obsly not possible but if he was a god at the game
wispy blade
theres stuff u cant dodge with one dash
pseudo kernel
just get more dashes
heady bone
just get more dashes
too bad i got quick recovery and flurry cast
pseudo kernel
dps would be so low if you had to keep your distance and try not to get hit with the rail
heady bone
humans are fast enough
sand vapor
okay
wispy blade
what would a hades tas even look like
the only tasable things gotta be like gilga talos and hestia
heady bone
why those
wispy blade
or like benefitting from it
pseudo kernel
hades tas would also require a route since seeded runs only affect the first 2 chambers
sand vapor
i talked about tas cause i had no idea humans were fast enough to be as good at the game, thought that the 64 heat was just a human limit but ig i was wrong
pseudo kernel
the only hades tas i know is the boon% tas
sand vapor
well thanks a lot for the help
pseudo kernel
wispy blade
not even gilga
sand vapor
https://youtu.be/nBT1sZFrch8
wow and i was wondering whats the limit on how fast u could get
pseudo kernel
you can get like a .50 with gilga
wispy blade
high .8x is free on controller
sub1 is hard kbm
i usually hit like
1.06 kbm .93 controller
heady bone
I'm like 1.3
sand vapor
my lowest is 0.99 i think
sand vapor
well sad that there isnt any tas... but it is what it is
pseudo kernel
we dont really need a tas since i beat hades in under 1 minute
sand vapor
true
forest token
hello, sorry if my question is stupid but shouldnt 64 heat be theoretically poss...
With perfect play and luck, rama, non hestia rails, and non gilga fists can all do it
But they're incredibly more difficult and need way more things
sand vapor
With perfect play and luck, rama, non hestia rails, and non gilga fists can all ...
thank u so much for ur answer
forest token
I mean we are assuming perfect luck and play lmao
heady bone
why not hestia
wispy blade
well like
wispy blade
why not hestia
dc2
do you mean like routed tier
cause itâd take routed tier
and if it was routed tier the easiest would just be beo
forest token
Not really because dc2 ri3
wispy blade
well like
forest token
You'd need to get more casts from chaos
wispy blade
hooly loaded
forest token
And you don't have the hp for that
Good luck getting out of tart then lmao
No dark foresight means less boon chances
hardy garden
do we even have a fists 60
hardy garden
self torture fun
wispy blade
yea achilles has 60
forest token
Yeah that was a fairly recent one
wispy blade
eris 62
subtle marten
which heat would you specifically just stop using Eris altogether to use Hestia instead?
forest token
I mean both work fine for whatever heat level you wanna do tbh
Most people don't go to 60/62 lmao
subtle marten
ah
I was lead to believe Hestia was the better pick due to its earlier recommendations. But I guess it's more of the better options for earlier runs/lower heat?
subtle marten
Regarding Eris, when it says bonus damage....does this apply to Calls, status effects and indirect damages too?
wispy blade
yea?
wispy blade
they get boosted
subtle marten
on what?
wispy blade
dash strikes
subtle marten
well I'll take it anyway since the zero downtime of damage is something amazing for me
although i love how it transforms the Rail into a long-ranged fist now
you can just hold attack and keep dashing
subtle marten
BTW
What are all the stuff EM4 gives to dad? I know of the third phase's restricting vision to mostly the middle
Cerberus companion attack done once
subtle marten
summons turning into insane elite subbosses
Him getting actual Achilles skill sets
achilles aspect special
double spin?
and for rush you mean the achilles dash?
my first attempt at EM4 and it gave me 2 butterfly summons
no wonder it's not worth the 4 heat
but when does he do double spin attacks?
wispy blade
he spins twice in a row
fast enough that if you dash twice youâll be on cooldown and screwed
subtle marten
is it stacked in one go or does he just do the 2nd immediately after the first?
and this is on every spin attack?
hoary pasture
is it stacked in one go or does he just do the 2nd immediately after the first?
Thereâs a small delay
It gets smaller in the last phase
And no itâs only on the standlone spin
pseudo flame
hey, i believe someone said angel's attempting to 60 heat all weapons, right?
any idea what's the pact's like?
and did she stream?
pseudo flame
i guess those darkness investment made all the different
able to use infinite DD and double dash probably made it sound possible for mission impossible
ashen garnet
theres stuff u cant dodge with one dash
Taken individually 1 dash is enough to dodge every pattern of the game. Problem being more about how patterns stack
pseudo flame
i havent seen any tas is there any reason for that?
Didnât Tas tend to work on games with predictable pattern?
subtle marten
that requires basically seeding everything, right?
hoary pasture
Even seeding is not 100% consistent in terms of spawns
Atleast thatâs what I remember
We need a routing enjoyer to confirm
wispy blade
Hestia would use RI3 DC0
wispy blade
Taken individually 1 dash is enough to dodge every pattern of the game. Problem ...
the world needs more monodash enjoyersâŚ
vivid venture
the world needs more monodash enjoyersâŚ
ruthless reflex is where it's at
ashen garnet
the world needs more monodash enjoyersâŚ
Yeah, even hitless EM4 is monodash doable technically
Surprisingly, FO2 Meg aoe circles have the most tight timing for monodash gaming
hoary pasture
Surprisingly, FO2 Meg aoe circles have the most tight timing for monodash gaming
I do it on Beo all the time you must be doing something wrong
ashen garnet
I do it on Beo all the time you must be doing something wrong
Can't you bullrush out of the 4 circles with shields?