h1-high-heat-strategies

[forest token]

Also attack replace is worse because frost strike allows of pstatus

Mistral dash works but frost strike is much better

[vivid venture]

It's a boss room, right? Seems likely you'll get another epic.

optimal beo not using any special makes me a little sad

[forest token]

Prob just touch of Styx

And do the math yourself to see if it'll last to dad lmao

Well touch of styx before aspho lasts until dad with hourglass

Well idk how much you have left by the end

Don't remember anyways

Well tbh it's only a touch of Styx

So like

If you don't take it into dad fight it's not the end of the world

But like having the 10% extra for the first life is still good

take a chaos gate

Unironically tho if you have rerolls

Is this ap2 actually

Oh welp

Just don't get the bad one then

Probably

If you have like 400+ even on cf2 you should be fine lmao

At this point you should just be buying hearts and poms

If you have to, boon fodder

Or Athena

[vivid venture]

😩

[forest token]

Anvil strats

Just anvil it away and get ferocious guard

what chamber

is athena in the pool

what are you even rolling for on dem

snurst?

i mean i'd only roll once but save the rest for purging well

nice

heart

did you roll yet

roll once

can sell quick recovery and special tbh

you have 2 rolls so not a big deal

it's only 30% tbf

[hoary pasture]

Epic dodge is pretty good

[forest token]

like it's good but i'd rather have dodge

is this 2nd tunnel

what's in charon shop

athena's good for budget touch of styx

aphro is eh

greater weak effect or sweet surrender

pom is pom

coin is shop dependent

what's your gold count rn

and how much is big pom on cf2 lmao 540?

[wispy blade]

ur fine

my beo 50 dad was 130

🗿

[hoary pasture]

bullrush

[vivid venture]

Is snurst not important on beo? Or is it just a bigger deal when actually speed running. I definitely underestimated it on her a.

[forest token]

i mean it is, but one of the bigger driving factors for it on beo is pstatus

and it's the best way to apply pstatus but there's other ways

you ofc want it but also tree's on ap2 lmao

yeah call lmao

there's not much else you can get rid of

epic dashes kinda athena call

easy win

rip

get frame dropped

lmao amazing

[rapid hawk]

doesn't just windows need like 4?

[summer venture]

how

what weapon

[forest token]

Beo 50

Might've been beo iframe bug tbh

or that

[wispy blade]

common east coast L

that doesn’t even rhyme

common west coast W

how do you pronounce east and best

but it isn’t a good rhyme

abcb is worse than abab

who said california

VEGAS BABY💪💪💪💪💪💪💪🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱🇦🇱

[summer spire]

Beast coast

[mint crow]

But.. west also rhymes with best

[summer spire]

But east also rhymes with least

Wait

[quiet mountain]

east rhymes beast

[autumn crest]

Whats the easiest way to do spear on 50 heat?

[hoary pasture]

If you're familiar with Guan Yu it is the safest option for 50 Heat. If not then Achilles is the next bext option. Both are AP2 pacts and will need a hammer, so you can tweak it to become AP1 or if you're good at EM4 you can do that.

On GY you typically start with a strong % Special. On Achilles you imght have more options due to RI0, I personally started with Artemis Attack, but you can do Hangover/Zeus or even start Tidal Dash.

[autumn crest]

im guessing guan yu isn't running damage control and is gunning for charged skewer, but what hammers does achilles like?

[jaunty falcon]

Flurry jab

[autumn crest]

figures

[hoary pasture]

You could run Damage Control because otherwise Guan Yu has to take BOTH AP and RI

Not that I'm encouraging you to. Both options arent great tbh, but RI is more convenient because Guan yu just needs a Special boon + hammer

With RI0 you could maybe get some decent supporting boons but it's not much, DC is painful to deal with

[autumn crest]

ok thanks ill give it some tries

[ember bronze]

Remind me, what’s the rebind people like to use for Hera?

[forest token]

for controller i think people just rebind cast to whatever they find most comfortable and easiest to spam

for kbm i think anything works as long as you like it

[wispy blade]

on controller hera i have cast on right trigger

[ember bronze]

Thanks. I think I remember what I used to use (L1)

[forest token]

is that the joystick button?

[left prism]

that's l3/r3

[forest token]

what's l1 lmao i dont use controller

[left prism]

left bumper

[forest token]

oh yeah that's probably fine then

[left prism]

also default codex lol

[ember bronze]

Yeah I just swapped that between cast/reload for Hera or Eris

[ember bronze]

Remind me: what cast do people like for Hera?

[coarse trellis]

aph?

[ember bronze]

Oh right forgot about that whole app aiming situation until you said it

Hera aph because the aiming makes it work perfectly, Beowulf Poseidon because of dual shot bug?

[coarse trellis]

yeah mirage shot does 100% on beo iirc

[ember bronze]

It’s coming back 😛

[forest token]

It's more like Aphrodite on Hera because Aphrodite just does the most damage

Also benefit of the cast not flying to the abyss

[ember bronze]

Is there some…Hera/Crush Shot/Blinding Flash thing?

[left prism]

if you mean parting shot not really

[ember bronze]

Maybe Parting Shot?

Ah

[left prism]

I mean it can add dmg if you get like a few chaos backstab boons but not needed at all

makes for a nice fodder boon tho

[forest token]

Well Athena's cast is large enough to always backstab on Hera so parting shot works there

If that's what you're wondering

But otherwise parting shot I pretty useless

[karmic briar]

I died more times to the Heroes than to Hades. Is this common among players?

[hoary pasture]

ig it depends

Depends on which weapons you play most and the amount of heat

And also which pacts you’re choosing

HL5 EM3 with a small hp pool is a nightmare on a lot of weapons so yea it’s a reasonable place to die

[gaunt fiber]

Heroes can go wrong quickly

There's some clunky stuff with Asterius

[cursive portal]

on shield you absolutely die more to heroes

because block as a mechanic is just completely broken

it does not work when you need it to

the amount of times where Im just blocking the direction I need to, only for the attack to kill me anyway is insane

I have hundreds of screenshots at this point

I really hope it gets patched in hades 2

or just removed

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843166936686002176/1126166860400963604/Screenshot_4233.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/843166936686002176/1126166860912664638/Screenshot_4234.png

[autumn crest]

Blocking Asterius' swings is highly unreliable in my experience, normally forced to bull rush instead

[ashen garnet]

Guessing that axe overhead hitbox appears upon landing, so technically not always hitting zagreus from the front (or just being an AoE, need to recheck)

[mint crow]

I’m at 20 heat w shield, what’s the best stuff to use? What I remember using for 19 was EM3, UC, MM, BP2, HS, JS, and the timer

Also DC

[shy plinth]

There's a pinned guide for heat progression that goes point by point

[mint crow]

K

[shy plinth]

It's got a flow built in for getting up to 32

[forest token]

HS and JS stand out as the bad takes here

DC too if it's not zeus shield

[shy plinth]

Yeah I'd avoid those personally

[hoary pasture]

look into tight deadline

Oh

[mint crow]

Yeah I have that

[hoary pasture]

yea i noticed

[mint crow]

So avoid jury summons and heightened security

I usually do beo shield so DC is prob not good too

[forest token]

if it's beo you could reasonably take js tbh

but js isn't necessary atm so just take other stuff

[mint crow]

Okay

[hoary pasture]

Dc is pretty bad on Beo yea

Atleast at this point

You can take DC1 later

[mint crow]

20 heat shield is sooo hard

[forest token]

what's your pact?

[mint crow]

I started a new run on another weapon but I think I had EM3, LC, HS, PB2, MM, UC, TD and some others

[forest token]

hs kinda not fun

but also if you're playing zag or chaos shield, you kinda need a good/decent hammer

[mint crow]

And some kind of move/attack speed buff

forgot what it was called

[forest token]

fo

forced overtime

[mint crow]

Right

[forest token]

which would explain why it's difficult lmao

FO is difficult if you're not used to it

takes some time to learn

[mint crow]

Yeah I guess so

[forest token]

you basically have to relearn enemy timings

[mint crow]

Painful

[bronze shale]

any tips for the last skelly statue, 32 heat is kinda wild imo

[autumn crest]

Check pins, there're several resources that can help

[bronze shale]

ty!

[mint crow]

Gonna try 32 heat, would anyone recommend to start with FO2+EM2 to relearn timings?

Just those two

SERIOUSLY

first boon is two epics and the one I need is the only common

[vivid venture]

I think most 32 runs do EM3. Mine have I think all shove EM4 but I'm nutty like that

[mint crow]

I’m gonna do em3 with FO later I think

[vivid venture]

Clearly it's a sign to give up and do a different strat that uses those epics

[mint crow]

Rerolled and got my epic cast

[vivid venture]

EM3 felt easier than not for a while because of the relatively higher predictability of thesius

What build you doing?

Nice

[mint crow]

Beo w mirage shot

Already have 4th cast

[jaunty falcon]

Common flare isn’t the end of the world

[mint crow]

But epic is better

[hoary pasture]

You wont even notice the difference

[wispy blade]

unarmored witches:

but yea

common is fine

[vivid venture]

Worth the reroll probs

[forest token]

Nah

Rerolling for rarity is kinda not great

[mint crow]

It was fine I got the epic cast

[mint crow]

Does quick recovery work with LC4?

[left prism]

Yeah

[mint crow]

If you can’t consistently dodge at FO2, is LC4 and HL5 not a good idea for 32 heat?

I’m on beo for my 32 heat runs

[hardy garden]

for 32+ heat youre usually better off using lc4 and sd. you can turn on something like ap1 and lower hl

[mint crow]

I’ve been using LC4 more and have SD active

Approval is the one that gets rid off boon choices right

[hardy garden]

yep

[mint crow]

Then I stay away from that

big scary

[hardy garden]

ap1 hurts very little for beo which pretty much just needs aphro cast and some poms

[mint crow]

I need my mirage shot

[hardy garden]

ig you can do bp2 instead

[mint crow]

Doing that

also MM and UC

[hardy garden]

td3?

[mint crow]

Nope

Not fast enough

[hardy garden]

yeah thats gonna make it harder then

[mint crow]

TD 1 is easy, and I could manage TD2 but want to be able to take more time when mistakes are costly

[hardy garden]

hl5 kinda offsets that since you can make half the mistakes tho

[mint crow]

Wait what HL5 makes them worse

[hardy garden]

i mean turning on hl5 offsets the benefits of lowering td

you have more time to play safely but itll hurt harder when you do make a mistake

[mint crow]

I could do HL2 TD2

Still can’t consistently make sub 20 after my break

[hardy garden]

i think you should definitely have at least td2 yeah

[wispy blade]

that’s fine

hl5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 bp2 mm uc td3 or something

[shy plinth]

You don't need FO at all for 32

HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3 is the go-to fo0 pact

[wispy blade]

do you need js1

i didnt count

[shy plinth]

No

This is 32

[wispy blade]

o

damn you dont need anything for 32

[shy plinth]

You usually need 2/3 of FO2 HL5 TD3

But you can pick any two

And yeah you don't need much else

I take FO2 so I can do CF0

[wispy blade]

i just do hl5 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td3

[shy plinth]

No LC eh

[wispy blade]

idk

i havent done a 32 in ages

well actually i did one randomly a few days ago

what was that

[shy plinth]

Lol I think I'd generally lean into one of these two:
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
HL1 LC4 FO2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3

[wispy blade]

i did an hl5 lc4 cf2 em3 bp2 mm uc td3

oh that one i recorded as like a demonstration 32 or something

[mint crow]

NO DIED TO HADES 32 HEAT

[mint crow]

Ely chaos, (beo run) do I reroll for cast or take defiance

I’ll just take defiance

[neon matrix]

What in the world are all these abbreviations?

[hardy garden]

stand for heat conditions. guide in pins if you scroll down

[honest kernel]

what does SD stand for?

[left prism]

stubborn defiance, 1 revive for 30% hp that regens each room, alternate side of death defiance

[honest kernel]

Thanks 🫶

[solar wadi]

i wanted to talk about the final boss without spoiling it for people who haven't gotten there so i'm posting here since anyone who posts here must have beaten him since you need to in order to unlock heat

I feel the rocks make the fight too easy

especially for that one attack he does

you know

lasers

[wispy blade]

ok

do you expect people to just get hit by the lasers and cope on em4

[hardy garden]

you can also just dodge the front lasers by running behind him and the 360 ones by hugging him point blank

hiding behind the rocks loses out on damage so

[wispy blade]

yea but he pushes you on em4

[hardy garden]

well unless em4

[solar wadi]

whats em4?

is that a heat thing?

[hardy garden]

yeah

[solar wadi]

ah oke, might need to try that. i've only ever beaten it with 3 heat...

[wispy blade]

yea maybe 3 heat isn’t the best time to consider dad too easy

[solar wadi]

i guess i just didn't get the point of him having a cool attack and a piss easy way to avoid it by just standing behind a rock, but if it changes with the heat thing i guess i should amp it up

[wispy blade]

well the entire point is to make you either hide or hug him

hades isn’t a bullet hell

[solar wadi]

surely u can't hug when he does the final version of it when it spews out in every direction

[hardy garden]

unless armored speeder cloner/seeker witches

[wispy blade]

we reset those

[hardy garden]

you can

[wispy blade]

if i don’t reset i have to change my keepsake

[wispy blade]

u can

it doesn’t hit right next to him

[solar wadi]

oh

interesting

[hardy garden]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912921987582668870/Hades_2021-11-23_20-22-35_Trim.mp4 example @solar wadi

[solar wadi]

really counter intuitive, wonder why they designed it like that

[wispy blade]

the start was damue style

or the end

[hardy garden]

wasnt damue the funny crit chance cheat guy

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/912921664231198771/Hades_11_23_2021_8_24_02_PM.png just get funny reversal frfr

[wispy blade]

yea

oh lmao

was still a lot of crit tho

also nice swift strike

[hardy garden]

pulverizing blow

[wispy blade]

shield should come with the no knockback by default

knockback should be a hammer so i can avoid it

it’s so annoying on ME zeus

[vivid venture]

Obvi it's desirable and you gotta take the double strike hammer

[quartz mantle]

I mean without the rocks how do you expect to be able to reasonably dodge the second phase version of lasers

It requires you to play more passively around cover because if you don’t you could just get caught out to dry and take like 40 from lasers

[wispy blade]

yea that’s bad

check pins

you don’t want jury summons or calisthenics program or routine inspection or heightened security or damage control

you want extreme measures 3

fists is a poor option for first 32 clear especially zagfists plume

you want benefits package max

and middle management

lasting consequences 2 isn’t good

0 or 4

hard labor 5 + forced overtime 2 is questionable

usually one or the other

not consistent

do you have any rail aspects

what level are eris and hestia

do you have more blood

i guess lvl1 eris is fine

start with zeus attack

get delta chamber rocket bomb or cluster bomb if you can

get divine dash

pretty simple

make sure to use the pinned guide

[forest token]

Plume zag fists are fine if you're willing to reset for zeus attack start

[vivid venture]

can run the purple thing to change rooms too

[forest token]

You cant do that for first boon tho

[vivid venture]

Survive a few rooms of tart without

Rarity hit isn't ideal either though

But it works fine if I really want to do a plume fists run

[forest token]

Could end up getting shafted by UC

[vivid venture]

Uc?

[forest token]

Underworld customs

[vivid venture]

How so?

[forest token]

Might be forced to sell 1 of 3 boons and all 3 boons are good

Like say

Your attack, ddash, and greatest reflex

And you do have some fodder but you need to reroll

Authority can't reroll menus

[vivid venture]

Ah no roll on those, yeah. Defs risky

~Probs ddash and hope to get it back quickly there~~

I burned all to rolls to get hyper delivery and just realized how tragic it could have been

[forest token]

Yeah ddash is the right choice here

But you're still kinda sad because you had fodder boons

[vivid venture]

True

I probably will just wait for a Zeus start. My preferred way to play the game is see what the set things are in the first room and decide what build to do from that. Don't rng follow beyond that but accidentally repeat some times. Forces me into the right amount of variance I think.

[hardy garden]

https://streamable.com/jo4c3p spearpoint very helpful

[wispy blade]

you could also be forced to sell 1 of 1 boons

this has happened to me multiple times

[vivid venture]

But you got tens of extra obols for how much you pommed it. Raking in the cash

[wispy blade]

0 times

ri1 moment

[hot olive]

I’m on TD1, how much time should I have after Hades so that I would have survived TD2?

[distant pelican]

you mean personal liability?

it removes the invulnerability bubble you get after taking a big amount of damage

[heady bone]

a splitter projectile

[forest token]

or wombo comboed by a bone raker

[hardy garden]

taking dads laser beams to the face

[shy plinth]

If your run is 28 minutes or less, you would have been fine on td2

[subtle marten]

You dont realize how good you have it not having Liability till you eat a Splitter's 3-way shot in point blank range

Or take any of Daddy's biggest attacks while you have Boiling Blood debuff

And I'm still only at HL1 (hell mode package)

[hot olive]

What’s the best weapon for 32 heat?

[wispy blade]

the one you like

or shield

or rail or bow

or spear

[subtle marten]

Whats the safest option in 32 heat on the top aspects? Hestia?

[wispy blade]

beo

[rapid hawk]

if you want the safest safest and don't care about time use a shield and turtle up

that's what I did when I just wanted the skelly statue

[hardy garden]

hestia fun until savior speeder greatshields

or just get rupture tdash

[wispy blade]

have you tried getting 2wave bball instead

but like

beo is a shield

and also is beo

so you basically just can’t lose

[hardy garden]

yeah just use funny balanced aspect

[vivid venture]

You don't know me!

[hot olive]

Is BP2 ok for 32 heat?

[wispy blade]

it's like one of the first things you put on

i can't imagine what a 32 heat bp0 or bp1 would look like

it can be occasionally annoying but for 5 heat occasionally annoying is a steal

[ashen garnet]

With a clear in mind, BP1 can make sense to avoid dire BP2 combos

[forest token]

#h1-victory-boasting message
@hot olive dc2 is technically free on zeus, but also it's just not necessary for 32 heat. since you have to deal with js1 cp1, dc2 will add a lot of time to your clear. you are running td2, but i dont really have an idea of how fast your clears so dc2 is a pretty risky-ish choice

[shy plinth]

DC is never truly free

It can be cheap - zeus on fast attacking weapons in particular - but it's never without some kind of impact

[cursive portal]

dc is awful and frustrating

I agree with Hat

[shy plinth]

Hi are you THE AngeL1C? Big fan

[vivid venture]

They are indeed

Can see their 64 post in victory screens from before the upload

[forest token]

She's also in haelian's 64 heat video lmao

[shy plinth]

I know Angel lol, memeing a lil bit - but yes that 64 heat video has made the rounds lately and I'm like 😮

[forest token]

It pushed hael to 100k subs lmao

love to see it

[cursive portal]

lmao

i got recognized in a different speedrunning discord today

microcelebrity arc

[forest token]

can i get an autograph

i accept ms paint

[heady bone]

based about me

[ember bronze]

I had a friend randomly bring up the video too

But also it’s been 1.5 years since I last pushed, howd that happen. I can’t pick up and play 32 now 🥲

A friend just asked me about 32 and I checked back here for curiosity

[forest token]

I wrote a guide pinned here if you wanna check that out

[ember bronze]

Hat’s pin still suggesting FO2 for a first 32 though, so I gotta protect people 😉

[forest token]

Lmao true

Fo2 scary

[ember bronze]

I bascially said the same as yours and what I think everyone says other than the FO2 point. Really learn LC4 (really), try to discover that TD is actually fine (you’ll learn to play better). The only difference is I say, if you have to, take FO1. I think 2 is so much worse than bascially any other Heat you’d consider for 32.

[forest token]

Fo1 td2 can be based

Just ignore the hl5 part

[wispy blade]

you mean the best 32 pact isnt hl5 lc2 fo2 td2 with a td3 time?

[ember bronze]

I think HL5 adds much less damage taken to your run than FO2!

[forest token]

True

Fo1 hl5 probably isn't too bad

[wispy blade]

ri2 ap2 32

no hl or fo

best pact then

[forest token]

No lc

I've seen a couple of those on Reddit lmao

[wispy blade]

you saw that ri3 guide right

[forest token]

I remember someone asking how they would deal with ap and ri in the future when they do 32 heat and I'm like "you just don't take those"

[forest token]

What

No

Link it

[wispy blade]

idek where it is

youtube vid

i think at least

[forest token]

Lmfao

[wispy blade]

they recommended arthur and ri3 at 32

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1135358683971342466/image.png

gg

[jaunty falcon]

Op if beo

[wispy blade]

rama

[pallid pendant]

wait, not every weapon can do 40 heat?

[shy plinth]

I'd think every weapon and aspect could, but some are easier than others

[shy plinth]

Welcome back! Yeah I personally found hl5 to be harder than fo2 but the most recommended/successful 32 pact continues to have hl5 and fo0

But of course I can only speak to my own experience - when I was pushing 32s on hl5 I struggled, but when I was pushing on fo2 I flourished. General mileage will definitely vary

[forest token]

I'm pretty sure 40 is doable on all aspects like hat said

That's just like where things start to fall off past that

Like hera starts to feel less good

[cursive portal]

ive done 55 with every single aspect. its more than possible

[cursive portal]

yea

[opal narwhal]

46 heat is hard

[ember bronze]

Hi 🙂 . I might not keep playing too much since I think my wrist might not like it

I checked my 48 and it was with EM3, I remember I never got confident enough about SuperDad to do it under pressure. I could reach 50 before Hades 2, maybe, if I focused on learning that fight now

[hoary pasture]

What does your pact look like

[opal narwhal]

Uhhhh

I dont really remember

[mint crow]

32 on beo was hard but I think I can go a bit higher since I did it with TD1/TD0 idr

I remember it had LC4, CF2, EM3, UC, MM, BP2, and FO2

Can’t remember what else

Just checked, also actually did have TD2 on, and also HL2

Gonna do TD3 and some other stuff for 40 I guess

[ashen garnet]

46 is likely everything except RI, AP, EM4

[pseudo flame]

so what's the pact like? all except RI active is 56. which one point did u take out?

[quartz mantle]

The pact is often different per aspect

[pseudo flame]

all on except RI0 and CP1, maybe?

[quartz mantle]

Especially cause things like DC is incredibly aspect dependent

[pseudo flame]

i believe most people usually say RI is the last one to touch, right?

[cursive portal]

Sometimes I do AP2 RI2 DC2 CP1 EM3 on aspects that have a much harder time on superdad

[pseudo flame]

i see

btw, i just really wanna know

if it's all but TD on, it's max is still 58 heat

but wouldn't that make it an easier pact if time cannot kill u?

[ashen garnet]

Theoretically yes, but you get used to TD so much when climbing heat that the slow-running approach becomes very counter-intuitive and requires extra learning time to make the most out of it

I'd be super curious to see a pure no-hitter runner attempt 50+ TD0 pacts though

[hoary pasture]

Would be interesting

Well no hitters are generally fast tho so idk

Best way to no hit is to kil them before they get a chance to hit you

[ashen garnet]

Oh reminds me that technically TD3 is free if you iframes tick damage

[ember bronze]

Plausible with Athena legendary IIRC

[ashen garnet]

Not 100% sure, but I recall that TD ticks are applying damage in a way which is close to a chaos curse and does not trigger DP or something close to it

[vivid venture]

Do they trigger revenge boons?

[shy plinth]

Don't think so

[vivid venture]

Guessing chaos doesn't either. That could be fun lol

[pseudo flame]

What’s DP?

[forest token]

Divine protection

[wispy blade]

the orang boon

[forest token]

Funny orange boon

[dense oasis]

I can't beat 32 heat

I once could, but now I am weak

Best weapon for this kinda heat?

[jaunty falcon]

hestia is pretty popular

[dense oasis]

Shackle Hestia?

Or maybe Aphro?

[hoary pasture]

Aphro is good, you could also do Tidal Dash

[dense oasis]

HEstia without the richichet hammer sucks with a lot of fast enemies

[hoary pasture]

It can take some getting used to. Some bp combos are awful on the majority of weapons. Try Cluster/Rocket/Hazard aswell, the Special can be very strong on rails

[dense oasis]

Damage control is a no go

I will put something else instead

[vivid venture]

Especially with hestia

Trading that for almost anything else Will make your life a lot easier on most aspects but especially hestia

[dense oasis]

Ok managed to get out of Tartarus this time. Hestia damage output is stupid

[vivid venture]

it's a lot, yeah

[dense oasis]

I wonder if that hammer that turns the rail into a shotgun might be worth it

Close range but the damage must be astronomical

[rapid hawk]

that hammer does not actually affect the hestia shot

only the normal shots

[dense oasis]

bummer

[shy plinth]

@cursive portal CONGRATS

For those unaware, she cleared 64 unmodded unseeded

[forest token]

Massive gamer moment

Took her 20 minutes of resets lmao

First time doing unmodded unseeded as well

That's what we call a power hour

[shy plinth]

Incredible

[forest token]

Didn't get discord cursed either

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1136342815916425307/Screenshot_4354.png?width=1191&height=670

she sent this into speedcord and everyone was like "wtf"

[wispy blade]

the funniest part is

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1136436286832509039/image.png

[gaunt talon]

@cursive portal congratulations I don't even know what to say

[shy plinth]

Omg

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1136437712379990066/image.png?width=552&height=257

"might give it a few hours"

gets the run in less than 1

[prisma agate]

whats considered high heat, im currently at 16

above 20? 25?

[left prism]

for most people is 32+ heat as that is the last in game reward the game offers

[shy plinth]

Yeah we're happy to answer any questions but this channel will largely offer advice based on 32+ as a goal

[north narwhal]

@cursive portal BIG SLAY JUST SAW THE VIDEO

[ember bronze]

@cursive portal Incredible, congratulations 😍

[tawdry torrent]

Any tips for a first 32 heat clear

[wispy blade]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing

[plain shuttle]

what the actual f

[tawdry torrent]

I did it

[wispy blade]

gg

[untold fiber]

@cursive portal think i just got recommended your video on my homepage, me and my mate were just talking the other day how its impossible to do 64 heat
congratulations on making our conversation redundant 😄

[forest token]

you only need 20 minutes to get the run

clearly easy (i have not touched zeus shield in months)

[vivid venture]

then do it with non-Zeus, duh

[forest token]

so true bestie

[wraith imp]

Just watched the video. Congrats to @cursive portal for accomplishing what was believed to impossible.

But I'm slightly disappointed that this particular clear didn't have special dialog. Normally SgG think of so many scenarios that I'm surprised SgG didn't think of something unique for if/when someone finally cleared 64 heat.

[forest token]

64 heat wasn't meant to be beat lmao

[wispy blade]

shes gonna wake up to so many pings

[forest token]

Also that's technically her second 64 clear on that save

[shy plinth]

I do not blame them for not planning for this lol

[forest token]

Yeah lmao

[shy plinth]

This sentence sent me to the moon

[forest token]

Lmfao

The fact that the final screen doesn't say "new record" is so based

[wraith imp]

Amazing.

[wraith imp]

Sure.

But I was a game dev, I would put something in just in case someone finally did the impossible.

I always thought the Adidas "Impossible is Nothing" motto was pretentious but it applies here.

[forest token]

Fair

[wraith imp]

Also, now that someone has finally accomplished the 64 heat clear with a shield, I wonder if someone will be able to clear 64 heat without a shield aspect.

I remember having this discussion about 18-24 (?) months ago and I/we thought if someone accomplished it would be iirc:

1. chaos shield with star pattern (so before reversion back to original pattern) and zeus build
2. zeus shield with zeus or dio
3. ares vicious cycle legendary with ares build - specifically dash on chaos or zeus shield aspect (because block ability is so valuable)

I think if someone does accomplish a non-shield aspect 64 heat clear it'll have to be rama aspect with 2 daedalus hammer upgrades and perhaps one of them will have to be repulse shot for the knockback to act as substitute for blocking.

The skill level necessary will be superhuman bordering on supernatural.

[wispy blade]

repulse shot is quite literally useless

it does absolutely nothing

[pseudo kernel]

repulse shot is bad

[wispy blade]

because it's after the shot releases

so it doesn't do anything for you

[wraith imp]

I used to think that too. But watching Tailesque's video taught me that it can act like a block and negate on projectiles. So I learned to use it. (I'm still not as good with it as I would like to be.)

[pseudo kernel]

are you really gonna time a repulse shot to block projectiles when you can just dash

[wispy blade]

didnt he have point blank and chain anvil chain into triple relentless

theres just no reason to actively choose repulse when basically anything else is better

point blank/perfect

chain

and probably other stuff idk

[wraith imp]

Kinda. (I'm not precise with my dashing. I'm better at aiming.) I think mentality plays a part too. I like the notion of being a tank at times and not moving unless I have to.

[pseudo kernel]

yeah that only works at a low heat

once you get into bp2 and fo2 that doesnt really work anymore

[wispy blade]

on rama you need like

dashes chaos and good second hammer

[wraith imp]

Agree. Repluse isn't a top choice but i'll use it if forced to take it.

[wispy blade]

i think they said

[left prism]

Mono dash em4 rama

[wispy blade]

just dont get hit? whats the problem....

[pseudo kernel]

also repulse actively hurts you when you have triple shot since you wont be able to hit all three shots on small enemies

[forest token]

You need 2 good damaging hammers for 64 heat

[pseudo kernel]

no i beat it without hammers

[forest token]

Repulse isn't helpful here

[wispy blade]

true

[forest token]

Did you have ME with arty attack ares special and divine dash

[pseudo kernel]

yeah i got ME from a athena ares trial

[forest token]

Also the closest aspect to clear 64 is zag shield with charged shot

That run died to heroes

Angel said it was doable

Either way rama is still the best non shield to clear 64

Just very very specific stuff needed

[bitter lake]

just watched the 64 heat video that's literally insane when I played this game mostly last summer (just came back) I was like at 15-20 heat on each weapon and struggling

[twilit orbit]

when can we expect a 65 heat clear?
:^)

[hardy garden]

lmao https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1136517162400501840/image.png

[twilit orbit]

clearly a skill issue
a top player would have gotten better rng

[hardy garden]

ikr

[wispy blade]

have you tried not taking it

[forest token]

Take it and sell it duh

[ember bronze]

Since I’ve been out of touch and casually relearning 40 again, curious about context on the H64 video. Had people not been trying it? I guess I knew 62 was done so long ago, I figured top pushers would been competing for 64 the whole time. Was it total coincidence that it was done soon after that video, or had people for some reason not been trying it and decided to show it could be done once the video was posted?

[shy plinth]

Modded gained popularity, so players were able to get more practice on the relevant skills instead of being trapped in reroll hell

[hardy garden]

some ppl have been doing modded 64 and 63s

[pseudo kernel]

yeah like 2 people

[hardy garden]

unmodded 64 is just omega rng hell

and 64 is just omega hard af

[pseudo kernel]

angel only beat 64 unmodded because she had some spare time

[forest token]

Also a coincidence how close the clears were to haelian's video lmao

She cleared modded like days before haelian posted the video

[hardy garden]

okay ig just like mystera angel and some chinese player

[ember bronze]

Yeah I mean if people have been gradually working on 64 and getting better the whole time, then happening to get it a few days after the video is a very funny coincidence

[forest token]

Haelian asked about stuff in speedcord and then she cleared it a few days later lmao

[hardy garden]

mysterra turn on hell mode plz

[forest token]

Lmfao

[forest token]

She had a few hours so she did it in less than one

Now that's a time save

[ember bronze]

Obv some huge luck in Explosive Return, epic Thunder Flourish, epic Jolted Act1. I didn’t really go over all the math in the Haelian video, but some strong guess it was a bit exaggerated? I.e. Angel needed a great RNG run, but there is at least some play in the joints of how close to “perfect” she needed it to be once you’ve practiced the run as much as she has?

[wispy blade]

not rlly

[forest token]

Ngl not really

You need the dps of explosive return and epic thunder flourish

Jolted rarity is nice but less of a factor

Considering it was a miniboss reward it was guaranteed to be rare+

[ember bronze]

right sorry—yeah I figured you need at least those things

But that’s at least a … tractable about of RNG? (1 hammer and one epic boon without God’s Pride)

[forest token]

Ap2 lmao

[ember bronze]

mhm

[forest token]

If you do get an epic boon it might not be on the special

The start is just dumb luck lmao

You'll get it every once in a while but still not often

Also considering you might not even see the hammer in Tartarus

[ember bronze]

(Yeah, TLDR just kind of trying to estimate the order of magnitude of how odd it is to get it right when she started trying)

[forest token]

Dumb luck for 20 minutes of resetting lmao

[ember bronze]

But overall pretty caught up on why this is all very amusing 😛

[nova viper]

The Haelian video was basically right about the math/odds, he just couldn't have down foreseen one of the only people capable of doing this a) trying, b) getting incredibly lucky

getting a key for a roll that she didn't have to use for the special and ended up getting epic jolted with was really chef's kiss

[ember bronze]

Anyway, YT context aside…yeah incredible to come back and see it

[forest token]

Just get the boons™️

[nova viper]

it's that easy, why doesn't everyone do it

[forest token]

So true bestie

[ember bronze]

Yeah, RNG is one thing, but seeing people get to the point of going from 62->64 by doing the whole thing without DD/SD

the second reroll giving Strong Drink is pretty great

[nova viper]

@forest token I just looked at your 32 heat guide and there's a mistake: ||you have an 8:59 40 heat beowulf run now ||

[forest token]

lmao right

[nova viper]

gotta update with the latest credentials

[ember bronze]

The guide is great btw

[forest token]

that hasn't been verified yet but i can at least update it there lmao

[nova viper]

lol I just watched the edit

[forest token]

very nice

i'll have to update it again once it gets approved so i can use the src link

the doc is still technically wrong because it says "on the leaderboard"

but not my problem atm

[ember bronze]

Why does she pick gold over hammer in act3?

[vivid venture]

Hammers are more bad than good at that point

A bunch of them would mess up the set up

[ember bronze]

aha

[forest token]

pulv blow makes a standing attack into block slightly slower

and charged shot removes the bull rush

you basically avoid taking the second hammer

[ember bronze]

Running back for the pot in the sack room to get to 270 gold to buy one more boon for dad is so good

[forest token]

yeah if she got dio aid out of that she would've been golden

unfortunately got the atk but at least that's some passive damage lmao

[ember bronze]

Wait what hits her in Hades P1 while acorn is still up?

[forest token]

93 or something

oh waht

wait

the uh

thwomp

i forgot the name lmao

it's a known bug

might have something to do with blocking but who knows

[ember bronze]

Learning so much

[forest token]

there's also a splitting bolt bug lmao

[ember bronze]

Ok the end was bonkers. Losing acorn in p3 so a sweep would have killed her at any moment

[forest token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1131674275800154142/lou_Trim_2-2.mp4

[ember bronze]

What’s that one?

[forest token]

splitting bolt makes your block kinda just not exist anymore

sometimes

[ember bronze]

Mind immediately jumping to all the ways that’s such an easy sort of bug to have happen 🥲

[forest token]

yeah shield is weird

[ember bronze]

Is there a list of somewhere of the mods people consider standard for “modded” (if that’s the typical high-heat playstyle right now?)

[shy plinth]

There's a particular mod that's approved on the leaderboards

[wispy blade]

a lot of people do modpack and epic boon start

[vital grove]

I guess the next challenge is 64 unmodded blindfolded

[wispy blade]

i actually did it with feather duster gilgamesh blindfolded with a steering wheel nohit damageless

in 2:47

[heady bone]

nohit damageless

[wispy blade]

yea

no athena

[shy plinth]

Keyboard only

Oh you said steering wheel lol

[wispy blade]

it was actually only one input

well two

i only moved around by being pushed by casting

and that was also my only damage

[hoary pasture]

Did anyone actually play this with a steering wheel

[nova viper]

Probably, I mean someone did it with a pomegranate

[karmic ingot]

Watching the 64 run. Why before Lernie buy Demeter and then immediately sell that Call after the boss? Wanted a specific boon (which?) or just wanted to lock in the god (why?)?

[jaunty falcon]

More boons to sell

Only boon she would have wanted to sell out of those that she had is flurry cast

Also dem is solid to have in the pool for rav will and the attack

[karmic ingot]

Aaah, the Heat condition, I understand now

Haven't played with that much

Incredible how the Heroes were dispatched in that video. I don't understand how she avoided all that damage from hits that should have landed clearly

[somber kraken]

the acorn keepsake

[karmic ingot]

Ah, it was already equipped. I missed it getting equipped between Regions 2 and 3

Alright, so I'm not crazy then. The hits were landing

[somber kraken]

yea

[dense oasis]

What would be the "easiest" pact setup for 32 heat?

And which weapon

[left prism]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing

[dense oasis]

Thanks

What is the concensus on doing infernal gates at "high" heat

[jaunty falcon]

Tartarus health ones are pretty good

I’d take a health one in aspho if my build is good

Elysium, no

[dense oasis]

I see

[karmic ingot]

Why you mention this about health gates but not gold gates?

[hoary pasture]

Gold becomes less valuable with CF and usually buying stuff is a gamble at very high heat anyway so it’s not that worth it

The other one you could mention would be poms. They’re good if you can guarantee them to hit what you need and if the build heavily relies on poms

[karmic ingot]

Makes sense now

Calisthenics Program: adds only health or health and armor?

[jaunty falcon]

If an enemy is armored, calesthenics adds 30% to both

[karmic ingot]

Hmm good to know

[dense oasis]

Damn, TD got me

almost reached elysium

[vivid venture]

Lol flurry cast with single cast is like insult to injury. Can't get it on styg. Why can you get it with single cast? They have the same multi cast requirements

Why is the cast used when it is? Just for ranged, or does throwing it in the rotation do slightly more damage than not?

[dense oasis]

https://pasteboard.co/GOAfJ2emQFoh.png

Beowulf

Take Halting Shot?

[karmic ingot]

Lucky option there. My Chaos tends to be extremely uncooperative for cast builds.

[forest token]

I'd take it

It's early Tartarus

[dense oasis]

yeah I guess

[forest token]

If you die well

Not much progress lost lmao

[dense oasis]

Turns out a 68% increase in cast damage is a lot

[jaunty falcon]

Indeed !

[dense oasis]

The cast I chose however is not good enough lol

Wanted to try things

what hammers do you want on beowulf?

faster bull rush I guess?

[red rampart]

The one that turns bull rush into a beam

[left prism]

Charged shot

[dense oasis]

ohhhhh yeah

[left prism]

But yeah sudden rush is decent too

Then ferocious guard ig

[red rampart]

The blocking one is also good

[left prism]

The beo exclusive hammer is also decent imo (unless you have hyper sprint)

[dense oasis]

Dread Flight, Empowering Flight, Unyielding defense

I guess defense

[left prism]

Yeah

[rapid hawk]

skip boon ones? why?

[hoary pasture]

Well they can be good if you absolutely need that god. But you rarely do, and it's a gamble still.

[karmic ingot]

Erebus boon gates don't "double" the reward unlike Health / Pom / Gold gates

[rapid hawk]

they get rarity increas

[karmic ingot]

And it's a gamble as said above

[hoary pasture]

If you're not at a point where you have to be conscious about every single thing you pick up then its probably fine to take whatever you find good for your build. It's just that at some point you just have to find a reasonable middle ground and stop looking for stuff after that

Even if you could get something good

[karmic ingot]

I've lost count to how many common boons I picked from "rarity-boosted" gods

[rapid hawk]

okay, makes sense

[hoary pasture]

Yea only Tart minibosses are guaranteed rare+

[karmic ingot]

They are? Hmm... 🤔

[hoary pasture]

yup

Ones beyond that are not but the odds of common are still pretty low if im not mistaken

I dont remember the exact numbers

[karmic ingot]

Hmm I kinda just assumed that any room with a skull has the same boon rarity increase and haven't paid enough attention to the differences...

[hoary pasture]

Well it's basically unnoticeable unless you dig into the game files

[solemn pulsar]

Yeah it’s just Tartarus being nicer

The other ones are like 90% rare not 100

[jaunty falcon]

I dont remember if I’ve ever seen a non rare+ miniboss reward ngl

[solemn pulsar]

Fun fact midboss rarity applies to Styx Hermes and any of the “expensive” boons in the Styx shop

[solemn pulsar]

It’s even less frequent bc of gods pride and common eury nectars obscuring them additionally

With gods pride it’s like a 2% chance per slot to be common or smth

And midboss is also frequently a keepsake god in some biomes

Then the keepsake buff makes it 100% rare easily

[hoary pasture]

That makes sense. I legit only remember one occurrence where I got common rd from hermes styx miniboss

[jaunty falcon]

I would have cried

[hoary pasture]

I didnt notice until after the run lol

[solemn pulsar]

aw, does baby want 25% damage?

grow up

take ur 50

[hoary pasture]

lmao

[jaunty falcon]

Me resetting my pb cuz I only got common rd

[dense oasis]

Am I cheating by using Olympus Extra

[jaunty falcon]

No

[dense oasis]

This Hestia cast is actually insane, I was wrong

[solemn pulsar]

its just a different category

like it's "32 heat olympus extra" instead of "32 heat hades"

u play the game how u wanna

[dense oasis]

she has a boon that heals you when you enter bosses and mini bosses

and it works with max LC

[solemn pulsar]

like the heat leaderboard doesn't have a space for it for example

oh that's buuuusted

[jaunty falcon]

How much healing?

[dense oasis]

feels like an oversight if I am being honest

i;ts 5% and 3%

[jaunty falcon]

Oh that’s not too much

[dense oasis]

it;s a duo anyway

so I guess its fine

now, the real challenge

will I find the sack fast enough

[distant pelican]

ok so ive just beat lernie on 40 heat rama

and i equipped tooth at the beginning of aspho

havent used the skelly dd

should i use the dd now and use a different keepsake for ely or just burn it now for the healing

[dense oasis]

Ok, 32 heat Hades, 2:46 on the clock. Wish me luck

[hoary pasture]

Acorn is better for Ely if you dont struggle in rooms

For Rama specifically that is

Some rooms can be a total pain with BP2 so if you think you'll die there, chances are you probably will so keep tooth

[distant pelican]

oh btw i have a chaos dd too

[forest token]

Oh festive

[idle hound]

Um hello

I just heard

[hoary pasture]

Well its up to you id probably just heal and drop tooth

[forest token]

Could take acorn then lmao

[idle hound]

Did someone break 64?

[forest token]

Yeah

Yep

[distant pelican]

yeah will do

[forest token]

The game is finally done

[rapid hawk]

are there mods that add more pacts?

65 heat next

[forest token]

Yeah there is

[idle hound]

Holy Frick

[hoary pasture]

There are yea

99 heat

[idle hound]

I thought it was impossible

[forest token]

Just normal things

[hoary pasture]

99 heat goated

[solemn pulsar]

they dont add more pacts

they kinda just add levels to the existing ones

[hoary pasture]

oh ye

[dense oasis]

Well, it was impropable, not impossible

[jaunty falcon]

It’s stuff like DC99

[dense oasis]

the stars alligned

[rapid hawk]

I see zero problems with this

[hoary pasture]

didnt someone do js99

how long did that take

[solemn pulsar]

i got 99 problems with it

[idle hound]

I need to watch it. Is it uploaded to yt?

[forest token]

Yeah

Yes

[jaunty falcon]

a witch ain’t one

[forest token]

Search up hades 64 clear lmao

[solemn pulsar]

no, DC99 witches are definitely a problem

[forest token]

You'll probably find it

[idle hound]

Wooow

Whoever did you, you Monster

[jaunty falcon]

If you just yt search “hades” it shows up first

[forest token]

Wait really

[hoary pasture]

I played with BP4 FO4 HL10 witches

Had fun

[rapid hawk]

second for me

[forest token]

Holy hell that's so based

[solemn pulsar]

you can play with BP4 in vanilla

just do BP2 and get drakons
drakons are already shifter/seeker in vanilla, so BP2 makes them BP4

[dense oasis]

Hell mode?

[forest token]

That truly is peak hades

[hoary pasture]

yea

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976594205071781889/976594483699400714/unknown.png

[forest token]

Lmfao

[idle hound]

Man i Can't wait for hades 2 pacts

[dense oasis]

Yeah, you dont hate witches enough unless you play on hell mode

[idle hound]

And also super annoying

[rapid hawk]

when you get hit with that your game uninstalls

[dense oasis]

Everytime you perform an action, a tactical nuke hits your house, +1 per level

[idle hound]

Charon chases you the whole run

[hoary pasture]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976594205071781889/976596628704198756/Hades_C4iyc1ABoJ.png

[dense oasis]

This a horror game now?

[hoary pasture]

🗿

[dense oasis]

Like Dahaka in Prince of Persia 2?

[rapid hawk]

I was thinking slenderman

[left prism]

Pact: Chronos can sent you back in time at random

Need to clear rooms again

[dense oasis]

Pact: Zagreus appears and starts talking about his relationship with Hades

NO ONE will take that

[forest token]

Wtf you can turn up td?

[hoary pasture]

yea

its 3 minutes

[forest token]

That's cursed

[hoary pasture]

I ended up doing 55 but different pact

this one is not it

unironically made it to dad

[forest token]

Lmao nice

[hoary pasture]

you probably saw it because I posted a vid

[north dove]

The perfect pact doesn't exis-

[forest token]

I don't remember actually lmao

I remember someone doing dc99 and fo-something high

What if we got angel to clear this 64 pact

[rapid hawk]

that 800% heightened security also looks fun

[forest token]

At least she'll get the boons

[hoary pasture]

it's genuinely enjoyable

[forest token]

Might die to lava tho lmao

[hoary pasture]

gud build impossible enemies lol

[forest token]

Yeah

[dense oasis]

NO

HE HAD LIKE 2 HP

NOOOOOOOOOOO

[hoary pasture]

https://youtu.be/MnrFMyAz3sA its just the dad fight you have to skip like 30s at the start

[left prism]

Welcome to the house of hades!

[solemn pulsar]

um ackshually it's highly unlikely he had only 2 HP left it was probably like 20 or 200

gg

you'll get him next time

[dense oasis]

Bar wasnt even visible

[left prism]

Next run™

[solemn pulsar]

oh dw i was just bein a dumb intentionally

[limpid glade]

hey all, ive been interested in doing a max heat run for a while now, but idk where to even start, is there any people i could watch to learn from?

[pseudo flame]

Lol why not just YouTube search hades max heat

U will find one video of a successful attempt

[limpid glade]

i didnt even think about that lol

thank you for telling me

[pseudo flame]

Well one for unmod/unseed, and maybe 2-3 modded/seeded

[limpid glade]

idk how to download mods at all since im stupid, so unmodded is what im mostly interested in

[forest token]

If you want to download mods the instructions are in the mod files

I can also walk you through it

Only works for PC tho

If you want to download the epic boon start mod you'll have to ask someone else tho

In regards of where to start, haelian's video kinda helps with telling you what you need

Boon wise

Learning to play tho, that's practice and watching better players

[north dove]

@limpid glade What's your highest heat cleared? I wouldn't recommend going for max heat unless you have years of your life to dedicate to it

[forest token]

Oh yeah that's a very valid question lmao

[limpid glade]

the highest ive currently ever done is 11 but im building skill i would like to think

i knew that this would be a rather large task, so i am willing to dedicate years to this

[forest token]

If you're willing to do that then start grinding and learning everything about Zeus shield lmao

Need at least a thousand hours unironically

[limpid glade]

that makes sense

[twilit orbit]

i dont play super high heat but some of the pact options really require you to get used to, so you should add them first so you dont have to relearn things later on

stuff like EM4, FO2, no mirror

[limpid glade]

i was thinking doing athena as the main god, but maybe aphrodiety would be a good pair since she has one of the highest stat increasing boons ive seen?

[forest token]

for zeus shield?

[twilit orbit]

you basically need zeus shield + zeus boons

every other build is way too unlikely to have enough dps

[limpid glade]

ahh ok

[forest token]

i think aphrodite is similar dps but less consistent

epic aphrodite*

less scaling tho considering you dont get jolted

[twilit orbit]

is it?
if you say so i believe it

[forest token]

63 was cleared with aphrodite

and PL never got procced

the only reason why it wasn't 64 because the runner didn't want to make a new hell mode save

oh modded btw

that should be clear

[twilit orbit]

pacts like HL doesnt really change your gameplay, beyond the fact that you can make less mistakes
and stuff like AP just requires you to get better rng but also doesnt require you to adjust your gameplay
so you can add those pacts in later

but if you really wanted to grind I guess just do zeus only and take the pacts that force you to change your gameplay first

and then add the other ones in later

[forest token]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-VUzcJHWF0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0mo-kXjasZs

first video is like the odds you have to beat and kinda goes over the general build you want
second video is doing all of that lmao

i recommend watching both of them

[forest token]

i'd second this, although i'd hold off on routine inspection lmao

learn zeus well first and then start shooting yourself in the foot

it's def good to learn, but not at the very start

[twilit orbit]

ok I guess you can do a mirror reset and just not buy second dash
but keep mirror buffs for the other stuff

losing the dash is the big thing that needs to be adjusted to

[forest token]

could use ruthless reflex
iirc that's used at like 55+ heat? something like that

[jaunty falcon]

Dunno if that caught on

[forest token]

that might be because of like

all specials at stupid high heat

and some of them need the momentary boost

[dense oasis]

TD3 is a huge problem for me

I just cant

[forest token]

are you pausing between decisions and taking free rooms

[dense oasis]

yes

[forest token]

good build?

good pact?

[dense oasis]

I failed with beowulf and zeus shield

Following your sheet actually

[forest token]

oh neat

gonna be honest going fast with zeus shield is difficult unless you already have good experience using it

beo is a bit of a learning curve if you're not used to it but is easier to learn

dash strike into your rushes, that should help a bit

are you doing flood or passion

[dense oasis]

but what other weapon should I use

I tried arthur as well

[forest token]

whatever you like

[dense oasis]

didnt go well

Maybe I should try a rail

[forest token]

if you have a lot of experience on some other aspect then you should use that

[pseudo kernel]

where do you usually have trouble

[forest token]

just because an aspect is better doesnt mean you'll do better on it lmao

[dense oasis]

Well, my best runs on my normal save were with dem fists

[forest token]

dem fists is kinda budget eris rail

[dense oasis]

I reach furries with almst no time, barely make it out. Then in asphodel I just cant even reach hydra

[pseudo kernel]

what builds do you use

[dense oasis]

I also forget to take trash boons and customs ruins my build

[forest token]

they said they've been following my guide so it should be a good build

[dense oasis]

I follow your pact guide I meant

[forest token]

oh

okay the build part might be the reason why you're running out of time lmao

bad builds mean low dps

and you kinda need dps for td

[dense oasis]

When you say some of your builds are not very fast, do you mean slow for TD3?

[pseudo kernel]

yes

[dense oasis]

OK, reached Elysium

phew

https://pasteboard.co/y07XPR05Lcwq.png

And this is how all hope is lost

[wispy blade]

whats wrong with selling haste

[dense oasis]

I kinda like that 40%

[hardy garden]

is that eris

[dense oasis]

its huge

yes

[hardy garden]

you like barely walk with eris

especially with 4 dashes

[vivid venture]

Does speed make your dashes go an equal percent further?

[hardy garden]

nah

[wispy blade]

that would be mega annoying

[vivid venture]

Not even ichors?

What was up with that video with 20 ichors?

[hardy garden]

everytime ive had a billion movement speed my dashes were the same length