pins say you can use chiron bow for 32 heat
#h1-high-heat-strategies
fiery dew
forest token
curse of nausea
fiery dew
what about me?
forest token
merciful end?
fiery dew
yeah
wispy blade
i hate artemis
fiery dew
is that ares or athenas duo
forest token
yeah
hold on i just finished this section in my guide
well it works fine
it's just rng dependent lol
fiery dew
ik
forest token
is that ares or athenas duo
yeah ares athena
fiery dew
hold on i just finished this section in my guide
what the guide about
forest token
eh it's just components
i thought it'd be relevant but it's fine lmao
oh you mean like
the whole guide
not the ME part
it's a 32 heat beginners guide
forest token
uh
wispy blade
approximately when the homework is due
forest token
tonight or maybe tomorrow
forest token
approximately when the homework is due
lmfao not wrong
i finished like 80% of it i think
i just need to go through builds then i'm done
i finished mirror and pact
forest token
@wispy blade if you're not busy, do you wanna read through it rq?
forest token
is it a video?
google doc
wispy blade
sure
forest token
aight i'll dm
fiery dew
google doc
can you send to me once you are done?
forest token
yeah for sure
wispy blade
ill look at it when i reset this nem run in ely
fiery dew
wait stuborn defiance is better for high heat?
wispy blade
on lc4
fiery dew
that means that boss fight would be way harder though right?
fiery dew
i dont really dodge any attacks i just focus on killing everything
left prism
Time to learn then
fiery dew
is there a way to know when a minion is about to attack?
left prism
They all have an animation before attacking
fiery dew
most attacks are telegraphed
what does that mean?
left prism
The enemy will do an animation before the attack
For example the thugs in tart lift their club before swinging
fiery dew
do some of them have a exclamiation mark pop up above there head breifly?
fiery dew
is stubborn defiance good for 32 heat?
it would take a lot of learning for me to actually not die
left prism
If you are using lc4 you use SD
There are pacts without lc4 so that you can use dds but im not experienced with them
But is def worth it to learn
forest token
This seems extremely odd and punishing, but it’s not as bad as it seems. With Lasting Consequences 4 (LC4), you want to take Stubborn Defiance (SD) over Death Defiance (DD) in the mirror. SD is basically a DD that refills at the end of every room, and whenever you die you heal back up to 30%. At this point in the heat levels, the normal rooms are potentially more dangerous than boss fights. Benefit Packages 2 and FO2/HL5 can make for some nasty combos in the normal rooms. LC4 SD gives a lot of room leniency, since you don’t have to save anything for a boss fight other than yourself. You just have to make sure you don’t die as a whole. Boss fights are much more consistent and not as random compared to the normal rooms. Whenever a room ends or is about to end and you haven’t used your SD yet and you’re under 30% hp, have an enemy kill you or die to a trap/magma to restore your hp back up to 30%.
There are ways to give yourself more than 60% effective hp. Touch of Styx from wells and Touch of Styx Dark from Patroclus makes SD heal for 10% or 50% more hp for 15 encounters, respectively. If you have the prerequisites, you can get Athena’s DDs, which will be used after SD. Pop your SD before picking up an Athena boon, and if you get one of her DD refills, it’ll carry over. Stacking these can end up to really easy boss fights. If you’re lucky enough to get a Chaos DD, it’ll work as a normal DD and be used after your SD.
If you really don’t want to use LC4 SD, I have seen Haelian use LC2 and Approval Process 1 (AP1) with DDs. I’ve never tried this myself, since I despise AP1 and it’ll make getting the build you want a lot more inconvenient. I think this pact might be easier if you have a good amount of skill and experience to work with what you get (and won’t get
From my guide
left prism
Specially if you wanna go higher on heat for fun or just have easier time with other weapons
forest token
@left prism can you proofread that giant text lmao
Ik I asked jazz to read through the whole thing but like while we're here lmao
forest token
Yeah that's not my concern here lmao
I hate it too
But it's easier to read than Arial to me atm
You can suggest a font if you want
forest token
Sure lmao
wispy blade
you need to install iot
forest token
Dm that name to me and I'll get to it later
left prism
Wait is on a different font? I never update mobile discord so lol
forest token
Nah I sent jazz the whole doc
left prism
Ah makes sense
forest token
The thing I sent here is a section
left prism
Also info looks good
And I may be imagining it but I think Nyaanyaa has also talked about non lc4 pacts
wispy blade
you can do my first 32 pact
hl5 lc2 em3 bp2 mm uc fo2 td2
i put some comments
the only substantive one is stygian over inferlnal mostly
forest token
Also info looks good
And I may be imagining it but I think Nyaanyaa has also tal...
I've never heard of those lmao
I've only heard the hl5 vs fo2
pure wave
nah, my first 32 is clearly superior
HL5 LC2 CF2 JS3 EM3 CP2 BP2 UC MM DC2 PL
37 mins clear time
fiery dew
is this good for 16 heat: lc1 cf1 js1 em2 bp1 mm uc fo1 td1
left prism
32 pacts without coaching are always fun
forest token
is this good for 16 heat: lc1 cf1 js1 em2 bp1 mm uc fo1 td1
Why not just use the one pinned here
left prism
Almost always with a slow clear time or all the pacts that slow you down and still on td3 time
forest token
Lmao yeah
fiery dew
there is only a 32 heat pact guide not a 16
forest token
The spreadsheet goes through 1-32
pure wave
fiery dew
oh
nocie
didnt see that
so the pinned 16 heat pact would be better then the one i listed?
fiery dew
yeah easier
fiery dew
But it'll make 32 heat easier later
so its better in the long run/
it forces me to learn?
forest token
Yeah pretty much
fiery dew
what is heart rend?
forest token
Aphrodite Artemis duo
forest token
Crit on enemies with weak deal 150% more damage
forest token
so artemis spec and aph att
Depends on aspect
fiery dew
chiron
forest token
Yeah that works
fiery dew
is there pins for mirror of night?
left prism
In #h1-for-new-players I think
forest token
helvetica neue:
great font
fiery dew
when fightin hades, when he spawns minions should i focus minions or hades
wanton plover
most of the time i focus hades. there's obvious instances when you wanna focus the adds (like if theres a bunch of skulls or something easy to kill like a witch). youll get a feel for it but mostly id focus hades
dapper patio
Hi, how much materiel do I need to fully upgrade my rank in hades's bedroom?
heady bone
600k darkness
solemn pulsar
600k darkness
? that's not true
325k darkness, 100 keys, 50 nectar, 10 titan's blood, 10 diamonds, 10 ambrosia
it's on the wiki
lost hull
I love 32 heat cursed slash https://imgur.com/a/Hs1P1fL
I had all DDs before the fight
wispy blade
177 dps 
lost hull
Yeah the fight was way tougher because of cursed slash so I had to play safe
wispy blade
best hammer ever
lost hull
The perfect setup would be to have Artemis, Aphrodite, Apollo and Athena in the pool
Then to have arty attack, aphro special, divine dash, apollo cast & aid
Then to have Heart rend and Famed duet
But the odds for that are rather low
wispy blade
the perfect setup is to not have cursed slash
lost hull
Well yes
but that's beside the point
I've got only "normal" hammers left except for cursed slash and I'll have everything at 32 heat
wispy blade
i did allweps and im done
now i have to do allweps sub7
but god invented fists and bow specifically to spite me
heady bone
which god
wispy blade
dio probably
forest token
32 heat basics guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5tVeaR-FzoFlIgp0etd3yLHI/edit?usp=sharing
uh who do i ping to ask to get this pinned lmao
<@&456908176877551658> (sorry if this isn't an appropriate ping reason)
could we get this pinned here for convenience so whenever someone asks about a 32 heat clear we could just link them it?
clever otter
32 heat basics guide:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/16_JXPaAt8fegie6Ss2x5t...
I went through it, seems good 👍
torn vapor
What dedication to make a 30 page guide 
forest token
The dedication is not studying for finals lmao
Also a lot of it is just stuff I spit out without thinking too much
The bigger effort was getting all the text colors for all the different things
shy plinth
This is cool!!
scarlet coyote
but god invented fists and bow specifically to spite me
flurryless hera is just beo
wispy blade
if beo sucked and didnt give u your casts back
scarlet coyote
actually wait you play kbm right
wispy blade
ywa
scarlet coyote
nvm dont play hera
wispy blade
i literally cant play bow
wispy blade
it is so hard
scarlet coyote
it has wide shots
wispy blade
rama is rlly hard
scarlet coyote
its harder to miss
scarlet coyote
zagbow seems fine but then you just miss
wispy blade
but i also get hit out of the shot
i mean i can hit shots on zagbow past tart usually
scarlet coyote
but i also get hit out of the shot
STURDY GAMING
wispy blade
because tart has the little numbskulls and the bomb guys
scarlet coyote
splash dash start baby
forest token
Splash start rama is definitely something
forest token
because tart has the little numbskulls and the bomb guys
That's what thunder flourish is for lmao
wispy blade
That's what thunder flourish is for lmao
zagbow moment
wispy blade
so real
fiery dew
Guys Ares dio or zues on chaos sheild special?
scarlet coyote
uhhhhh am i allowed to recommend to not use chaos shield for heat lol
quartz mantle
Ares or Zeus are pretty good
Dio isn't great cause you don't stack it
Zeus is p cool tho
You get a lot of scaling
But if you're running things like AP2 for some reason Ares might be better cause it's good flat damage that scales well w/ Poms
vivid venture
Dio isn't great cause you don't stack it
? Chaos point blank is among the best at stacking
quartz mantle
If you want to be point blank in a slow animation without being able to blockbe my guest
fiery dew
hey guys what is easy/best build for high heat im trying to do 16 heat right now, i was so close to completing a 16 heat run but lost when hades was at lke 1 fifth health
wispy blade
hey guys what is easy/best build for high heat im trying to do 16 heat right now...
you can do like
idk what weapon
if u didn’t know this game has a lot of options lol
you could do chiron i guess but you need the blood for it
fiery dew
you could do chiron i guess but you need the blood for it
i have maxed chiron and chaos sheild
im farming blood for hestia
wispy blade
o
well chiron can be easy
for hestia just
start aphrodite and take attack
and then take athena into asphodel and take dash
check pins for heat setup
fiery dew
well chiron can be easy
what would be best for chiron>
wispy blade
take dionysus flourish start
pom it a whole bunch
take aphrodite attack into asphodel
look for aph/dio duo low tolerance
fiery dew
look for aph/dio duo low tolerance
what is good playstyle, because i play very agressive
wispy blade
idk i use default on kbm
hoary pasture
You can rebind reload to a mouse button
fiery dew
im on controller
i just completed my first 16 heat run
hey guys i just did my first 16 heat run should i go straight to 32 heat or work my way up?
if i should work my way up what increments would you do it in
wispy blade
You can rebind reload to a mouse button
i’m ngl this would totally throw me off
wispy blade
hey guys i just did my first 16 heat run should i go straight to 32 heat or work...
do what u wanna
fiery dew
bro i had dmg i had curs of nausea and low tolerance
fiery dew
do 25 first
ight
hoary pasture
i’m ngl this would totally throw me off
You get used to it. I just didn’t like having reload on R and special on Q, too close to movement buttons.
gaunt fiber
idk what to do <a:nko_screm_scream:985397427651608596>
Use the heat progression sheet from Mr Hat in the pins :)
honest kernel
Use the heat progression sheet from Mr Hat in the pins :)
thank youu
vivid venture
hey guys i just did my first 16 heat run should i go straight to 32 heat or work...
Probably want the blood and ambrosia and diamonds for going 1 heat at a time to 20 on each weapon
32 is a lot harder than 16
forest token
@shy plinth would you mind if I put your heat progression spreadsheet thing into the guide? I think since the guide has been used outside of discord, it'd be helpful. Also it would give a good idea for people to work their way up to 32 if that's their end goal.
If you're okay with that, how would you want me to credit you?
shy plinth
Oh feel free to include it!
Here's the link to the spreadsheet that has it for easier copy/pasting
forest token
Do you have like a YouTube or anything I could link to credit or would you be fine with just like your discord username
shy plinth
Nah discord is fine
Just mention my name the first time you reference it and that's more than enough for me
forest token
Aight cool, I'll let you know when I add it
shy plinth
Thanks, lmk if I can help with anything
forest token
@shy plinth I just wrote a bit about it, you can look over it now
I couldn't add a pic because it looked really bad on mobile lmao
shy plinth
Looks great
half heart
Is there a way to improve shield Zeus gameplay so that clear time is closer to that of Beowulf?
hoary pasture
Is there a way to improve shield Zeus gameplay so that clear time is closer to t...
No
Beowulf is absurd
Zeus could probably be faster at 50+
half heart
Most annoying to fight are those jumpers in Asfodel
Like you close the distance and they jump to other part of arena
So much wasted time
half heart
Zeus shield has rather simple build - at least rare zeus special and static discharge and you're good to go. At least on 32 heat
I like to add Artemis attack and PP for some sick crits
Oh and exploding return
tepid mural
I'm not a huge fan of exploding return on Zeus shield for some reason
Haven't clicked with it
half heart
Very useful if you want to throw special and instantly call it back
Or when you're surrounded, as it has surprisingly higher area of effect than it looks like
vivid venture
So that 50 damage gets any special boons. Does the spear pre spin pulses for 40 get all attack boons?
forest token
Probably
half heart
I have question about this run - why Dionysus attack, not Aphrodite or Artemis? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWmm1_1Dy3c
Poison dmg doesn't seem to helped much IMO, but damn those Athena RNG, even without dash they were so good
hoary pasture
Poison dmg doesn't seem to helped much IMO, but damn those Athena RNG, even with...
Hangover is one of the strongest options for this much heat because it's enough damage to get by and scales really well with poms. It might not seem like it's doing much but it's the core of the build.
half heart
I think dmg from this was 100 per second?
Also I believe you can do 60 heat with nemesis - you still have two dashes and buff from cast
Although riskier with only 50 HP at the beginning
forest token
the boost from family favs is gone tho
i feel like that's pretty impactful for a flat damage build
roughly like 15-25% isn't too much i guess tho but time does matter
half heart
There could be always slightly better RNG like Hermies dashes and Athena dash
But yeah, I can see that EM4 daddy fight will be tight 
wispy blade
But yeah, I can see that EM4 daddy fight will be tight <:bouldy:5233291169346355...
em4 melee is awful
frank light
Anyone have any help with good melee builds for 32 heat strats. Specifically sword/spear. Or what pacts to move around that make things more melee friendly. I find removing healing and only going with stubborn works for ranged, but I find myself just getting worn down and failing to big rooms, or the later bosses with less than 100 health to work with between both lives. Obviously I know I have to get good, and learn attack patterns better, but Im curious If I'm just making thigns harder for myself than I need to
I tried some of the builds in the banana's guide, but wondering if there's anymore recent discussion beyond that
forest token
melee isn't generally considered that safe tbh, and it is pretty rough yeah
you could try doing the ap1 lc2 strat with DDs so you get some healing, but your build will be more limited
going for some of the cast based builds on poseidon or achilles can help, kinda lets you play the weapon without really playing the weapon
afaik i dont think there's much other builds for spear and sword
i think you could maybe do like, athena attack start on nemesis so she's in the pool earlier and can maybe abuse DDs easier
for spear, there's not much other things you can do that i already listed
could focus more on the attack part for achilles and lean into it more i suppose, but that's objectively less safe than playing around the cast
forest token
you could try doing the ap1 lc2 strat with DDs so you get some healing, but your...
could maybe knock down some levels of HL if you wanna take AP1 instead, making it less punishing to get hit
i'm really biased against taking AP1 at 32 heat, but it's honestly not too bad as long as your build doesn't need the duo
frank light
Yeah currently grinding some blood to max out some of the more lenient "melee" builds, as I'm only about a week into the game. Mid run but lemme look into what some of those abbreviations mean in terms of Pacts
forest token
The abbreviations are pinned here if you scroll down a bit
frank light
you could try doing the ap1 lc2 strat with DDs so you get some healing, but your...
By DDs you mean Death Defiance? I actually don't mind things like approval process, I find that as long as you get an early good boon, the AP1 doesnt usually cuck your ability to continue a build in the mid/late game.
forest token
yeah DDs is death defiance
AP1 just cucks getting a duo sometimes lmao but it's completely manageable
frank light
As far as for Nemesis, I never seem to be able to get my attack to the point where it feels like it's significant damage, and the animations are so punishing for the attacks in terms of animation locking. And dash attacking is VERY difficult to pull off on controller imo, I could see me doing it better with MnK
forest token
yeah that's partly why dash strikes on sword are only used
frank light
and yeah I was having the best chance with cast build on Achilles, I actually made it to Hades with that
forest token
i don't play controller so i can't off much to you, but out of curiosity how do you dash attack
ik some controller players like roll their thumb over it
like the hinge of their thumb is over dash, and then the tip of the thumb would hit attack
frank light
well like you need to point the stick in the direction you want to dash, and then point in the direction you want to slash, it's kinda wonky
forest token
oh i see
frank light
I mean in terms of aiming it when you're going through the enemy with the spear
forest token
i mean why not just dash attack right into them instead of trying to angle it like kbm
frank light
it's just not always possible, because sometimes a dash into them puts you past them, or into their hitbox and in danger, so it's a lot of dashing away and then slashing in their direction. especially with enemies constantly closing distances
I'll try the AP1 LC2 with DD
I like that
maybe even get a healing hammer on sword, or try and get better with Guan yu
frank light
I used it with Arthur and it felt good, but this was at low heat, like 10
forest token
also doesn't work on dash strikes
forest token
I used it with Arthur and it felt good, but this was at low heat, like 10
yeah anything works on low heat
the sword hammer tier list on the guide is pretty accurate
should use that in your runs
frank light
well I'm sitting at 40 hp for like all of my stubborn defiance runs as is....-60% on Arthur isn't terrible, but yeah probably wouldnt make time with that build passing up good hammers
in the basic heat guide?
forest token
yeah sitting at 40 hp with SD, that's gonna be a lot less with cursed slash lmao
forest token
in the basic heat guide?
yeah
vivid venture
i don't play controller so i can't off much to you, but out of curiosity how do ...
Remap attack and special to triggers
Thumb is only for dash and cast if playing non loaded casts
frank light
I moved my dash to R1 because Im used to it from other games, so they're not on the same finger
frank light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWD-kHnXj0I @forest token spear cast build was doing me pretty well, only to end like this. RIP.
ashen lintel
forest token
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWD-kHnXj0I <@384127040992837633> spear cast bui...
good progress, but also not having hunting blades is kinda unfortunate lol
frank light
good progress, but also not having hunting blades is kinda unfortunate lol
yeah, thats my next optimization in pushing for that...I should have pushed for it more
lost hull
I love 32 heat cursed slash https://imgur.com/a/Hs1P1fL
Update: I might be able to pull it off this time https://imgur.com/a/UMyvWmT
left prism
ShoutWeapon is call?
vivid venture
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWD-kHnXj0I <@384127040992837633> spear cast bui...
Hence why beams > blades
left prism
Update: I might be able to pull it off this time https://imgur.com/a/UMyvWmT
Wait what the hell is sword parry
lost hull
I'm not sure, I think it might be the special
frank light
~~Hence why beams > blades~~
yeah Im done with blades, artemis just doesnt want to give me her hunter blades, stingy
vivid venture
I mean you kinda need her crystal clarity
vivid venture
But if you get that, Easiest Redacted Ever
Maybe fastest
That is actually the highest heat I've achieved lol
wispy blade
But if you get that, Easiest Redacted Ever
would be easier if you had blades :3
vivid venture
Not for me!
forest token
blades is faster than beams lol
wispy blade
killing dad faster means easier
vivid venture
blades is faster than beams lol
But yeah true
wispy blade
wispy blade
Not dying is
more opportunities to die if dad is alive longer
wispy blade
https://youtu.be/TNzQIlU-ZtI
easy dad fight
wispy blade
more opportunities to die if dad is alive longer
~~ergo beo easiest ~~
frank light
would be easier if you had blades :3
I agree blades are better, just had really bad luck on trying to get hunter blades last handful of runs.
frank light
Any tips on squeaking some extra damage out of Guan Yu? I just never seem to see enough boons to make the build do enough damage. Or is it just that reliant on Charged Throw (Im aware this is OP)
left prism
Yeah without charged skewer it falls off
frank light
Hmm I can actually make a 9min 32heat work. Let's see how this goes.
left prism
Ypu can prob try to get a dumb thing like tidal dash run/smair/lightning rod if you need more dmg
Or a cast build
frank light
yeah the former kind of removes the safety of it, which I really need at this health amount with my skill level 
frank light
oh, consider the spear blamed
frank light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO0QBfzLRwA Is it normal that these do 150 damage with only HL2? I'm not blood boiled. I coulda sworn these do like 25 damage. Am I missing something? And man, even with a Heroic Special boon this build just FALLS FLAT on the last two bosses. 3 hammers 3 rounds in a row and zero Charged.
left prism
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO0QBfzLRwA Is it normal that these do 150 damag...
Pots are counted as traps
Add heightened security and....
That's your recipe for 150 dmg pots
wispy blade
uhhh how bad is dc1 vs dc2 on beo
forest token
uhhh how bad is dc1 vs dc2 on beo
bad probably
you'd more likely than not negate a whole cast
wispy blade
you gotta try out my shiny new pact
forest token
no thanks
forest token
fo1
wispy blade
it got me the achilles 50
so clearly
it’s good
now i just have to do dem
ngl i think so long as a run actually gets the dash with dem im probably gaming
and a pom
and a tart hammer
which is a tall order on ri2 ap2 but whatever
heat is actually fun though
although i do not wanna have to play sword
jaunty falcon
Any dc on beo for 50 is so bad
Literally just do ri2 ap2 cshot and get a cast and attack
And a few poms
I’d say it’s easier than em4
wispy blade
And a few poms
“just get a cast and attack and a few poms” 
is phalanx flare viable
ngl idek if i want to play beo at heat that sounds annoying
beo anyheat is already annoying
has the +10% dmg ever actually done anything
hoary pasture
is phalanx flare viable
Not really
It’s tiny
Just do Passion flare
No reason not to
wispy blade
No reason not to
deflect………….
hoary pasture
The scaling from passion flare is better and weak is pretty gud
You also can just block or bullrush
Don’t need more defense on Beo it’s already as safe as it gets
jaunty falcon
If you’ve done Achilles 50 you shouldn’t struggle with Nem, beo or Rama imo
wispy blade
If you’ve done Achilles 50 you shouldn’t struggle with Nem, beo or Rama imo
beo and rama are prob free but how nem
nem has no range
and no funny mobility
jaunty falcon
I haven’t done dem or Achilles lol
jaunty falcon
24/24 50 was one of my 2023 goals I set myself
jaunty falcon
I was 12/24 at the start of the year and I’m 12/24 now
wispy blade
insane boon
jaunty falcon
but i’m sure you could manage it
For sure but I just get bored and go back to beo
wispy blade
beo is boring 
achilles 50 was actually being super fun tho
it’s kinda sad it ended so quickly i’d have liked to have had to grind it more
wispy blade
chirons easy if you’re not me
it’s a ranged weapon
so i should have no issue
but i’m bad
also it’s just not fun
your attack doesn’t deal damage
and the special is slow
and in ely in some rooms can be so damn annoying
because the walls eat your arrows
you should do Good Pact though
hoary pasture
I was 12/24 at the start of the year and I’m 12/24 now
Well you gotta race with us then
That’s my goal too but some aspects suck and I cant motivate myself enough to even try them
wispy blade
i wouldn’t even try that
id like to do a good portion
but like
arthur
gilga
i guess those are the only ones that would be thaaaat bad
oh wait luci
luci
hoary pasture
i wouldn’t even try that
No I’ve already decided for you that we’re doing 50 heat every aotw
wispy blade
No I’ve already decided for you that we’re doing 50 heat every aotw
good thing gilga just happened
i think
hoary pasture
Lots of good ones to come
hoary pasture
Oh shi well get ready then
hoary pasture
Zag spear cant be that bad
wispy blade
it’s basically achilles except you keep running out of time right
wispy blade
No I’ve already decided for you that we’re doing 50 heat every aotw
will the em4/ri2 arrangement stand
also that means i’ll need to do the chiron
i’ll do it tomorrow hopefully if i also manage dem
hoary pasture
The rotation doesn’t feel as smooth. For me I did Achilles with arty attack and phalanx shot so it’ll be quite different
hoary pasture
will the em4/ri2 arrangement stand
No that’s just for the upcoming week
wispy blade
dio smelled easy so i just did that
hoary pasture
I died like 3 times on dio
wispy blade
applies fast
hoary pasture
So I hate it
wispy blade
I died like 3 times on dio
i died like 5 times
one of them was so funny
i was literally about to pwn the stone in the power couple and i dashed through the shockwave… with a dash strike
hoary pasture
lol
wispy blade
aspho mini bosses have hands ngl
wispy blade
the other biomes are free modded
wispy blade
Witches are easy cmon
they’re easy most of the time but i have some kind of vague bad experience
i can’t place it but i don’t like witches anymore
wispy blade
Maybe we change that the week after
lord help me
wispy blade
oh just the mini bosses
hoary pasture
Yea
wispy blade
id just avoid the doors 
hoary pasture
And timeout yea
wispy blade
i guess it depends on wep
i’m usually chilling in ely tho
but i’ve only played good weps
eris achilles hestia
i don’t think i’ve made it to ely on dem yet
because i haven’t gotten the dash on a single run
hoary pasture
You’re doing dio?
jaunty falcon
ME
jaunty falcon
Ange1 used Zeus for 56-58 dem
hoary pasture
ye
wispy blade
do u need jolted
wispy blade
Ange1 used Zeus for 56-58 dem
where 58 can’t find vod
wispy blade
Ange1 used Zeus for 56-58 dem
looked at 57 and this feels viscerally wrong
that’s a red aph attack
hoary pasture
I dont think 58 vod is up
wait wtf I dont remember that
57 heat with aphro attack
To be fair tho the Special is kinda carrying
wispy blade
oh i thought it wasn’t done that run isn’t on the sheet
frank light
Aphrodite attack (preferably rare+)
Can do Athena attack, but it should be epic rarity for damage. This can lead to getting extra DDs earlier, but if it isn’t epic you’ll be lacking damage.
Any % special
Zeus call
Static Discharge and every Zeus boon under the moon
Can someone explain the synergy for this Arthur build?
left prism
Aphrodite attack (preferably rare+)
Can do Athena attack, but it should be epic ...
Big dmg wants % boons simple as that
Zeus call is if you go aphro and can pick up easy smair which is always good
You also go even gurther with dmg reduction (even if its multiplicative)
frank light
yeah I get the aphro part, but the zeus synergy seems weird, are you counting on getting hit?
frank light
...
lmao
there was a break in the google doc
and the rest of the build is explained
ok now it makes sense...I was confused where the synergy was
Smair is on the second page
frank light
nah was on me for not scrolling down
wispy blade
i think i broke my brain
because i just real life pogged when i saw athena
i hate power couple
half heart
If I want to do Eris build with drunken strike, what other boons and hammer upgrade will be good?
wispy blade
If I want to do Eris build with drunken strike, what other boons and hammer upgr...
just get ddash
half heart
ddash you mean drunken dash?
left prism
divine
left prism
never have more than 1 source of hangover
half heart
I heard they overwrite, right?
shy plinth
Good advice for irl too
left prism
I heard they overwrite, right?
yeah
fun way to kill your dmg without noticing
also peer pressure moment
half heart
I'm little tired of Zeus attack Eris, so I wanted to do drunken one
Peer pressure?
I'm also thinking if aphrodite or ares duos will be great
left prism
I think aphro duo is slighty better?
just force 1 of them and if the other comes then nice
wispy blade
aph better yea
half heart
One run I got bad RNG and I only got ares duo, but it's still strong one
quiet mountain
never have more than 1 source of hangover
pleas fix this in hades 2
lost hull
@frank light What kind of mad man does AP2 on 32 heat
wispy blade
ap2 ri2
no lie i think that's the most horrific 32 pact i've ever seen
thats basically a 50 pact
lost hull
Worse than RI4 AP2? 
wispy blade
i haven't seen that though lmfao
lost hull
I wonder how RI4 AO2 CP2 TD3 feels
left prism
Just get the rooms and boons™
frank light
<@211322351227371522> What kind of mad man does AP2 on 32 heat
someone who was too slow with their build, and too bad at the Hades fight. So I just figured I'd test the RNG aspects of the game in favor of a more manageable boss/Hades fights. I'm more comfortable with my speed now though...would never do that again.
but when Hades kills your runs 4 runs in a row...you start thinking outside the box lol
left prism
Img hasnt loaded for me
Was that pact with td0
lost hull
Tbh I think I'd probably lose if I went with LC4 instead of HL3 like I do now
left prism
no lie i think that's the most horrific 32 pact i've ever seen
Pretty sure I've seen some ri3 pacts for 32 lmao
wispy blade
wh
left prism
Let me see if I find it lmao
lost hull
I've got 7 hammers, 1 keepsake (completely forgot about the shackle), 3 unmodded boons and 8 modded boons until I've got everything at 32 heat
left prism
Nvm it wasnt ri3
quiet mountain
I've got 7 hammers, 1 keepsake (completely forgot about the shackle), 3 unmodded...
now do 50
left prism
Op confused me saying ri1 with them seeing the -3 on the pact
quiet mountain
60
lost hull
Speaking of, what's the recommended pact for 40? I've got 2 heat left to put and I'm not sure which would be best https://imgur.com/a/CtukcS7
(For Beowulf, I was too lazy to change weapon for the screenshot)
left prism
I woukd drop cf2 to cf1 and hs personally (you still wanna buy poms after all)
Then ig just add js
frank light
yeah Beo clears quick enough that you'd probably be fine
lost hull
Alright
wispy blade
Speaking of, what's the recommended pact for 40? I've got 2 heat left to put and...
hell mode is shrimple
forest token
The pact in #h1-victory-boasting is just "take no damage but deal no damage" lmao
wispy blade
the game has broken me
my threshold for "good build" is now having an attack boon with two poms
hoary pasture
Hell yea
wispy blade
em4 ri2\
frank light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO82PAZUXvQ Anyone know why this second dash is so short? Is it because I wasn't flush enough against the pillar to dash through it? Interaction feels weird.
wispy blade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BO82PAZUXvQ Anyone know why this second dash is ...
since the dash wouldn't make it through the length of the pillar if it wasn't there, it doesn't teleport you through, maybe? idk
frank light
yeah I guess I should have just let the first dash sit a bit longer
forest token
yeah there wasn't enough room for the dash to go through the pillar
wispy blade
althou also
i feel like you'd have eaten that spin anyways
use your dash iframe instead there
forest token
probably
frank light
youre saying if I let the dash go through I would have eaten the spin? Yeah I know, I dunno I felt like I've double dashed from that distance through the pillar 100 times
no interaction with deflection causing dashes to fall short?
forest token
what
wispy blade
no you just had too much space
forest token
why would deflection make your dash shorter lol
from what i heard, ddash used to make your dashes shorter but they got rid of that change
you were just too far from the pillar for your dash to go through the pillar
wispy blade
from what i heard, ddash used to make your dashes shorter but they got rid of th...
halting serrated ddash
scarlet coyote
how many times can you stack curses
can you get double halting
and just have an iframe button
forest token
can you get double halting
probably
frank light
why would deflection make your dash shorter lol
yeah I was curious if the deflection interaction with the dash cut it short is all. Nice to know it used to happen though.
lost hull
@frank light I think Cursed slash is fine until you face EM3 then it doesn't keep up (same against Hades)
That was the first time I reached it https://imgur.com/a/Hs1P1fL
Maybe it's easier with a different setup than I had but I really hated it
Winged serpent allows you to play more ranged but you'll be less likely to get Charged skewer. Starting with Charged skewer then hoping for Winged serpent is probably more viable but it's also less fun to play.
frank light
oh yeah it definitely is at it's worse on EM3 and Hades
lost hull
I think cursed slash would be a lot more viable if it applied to dash-strikes too
frank light
yeah I never really played a big dash strike playstyle with sword (which is my biggest flaw with playing sword)
Im just bad at sword in general...
lost hull
Tbh the sword in general is bad
frank light
I dunno I just find sword dash strikes so difficult to aim...I lose myself in the inputs and just end up dash striking the wrong target....just doesnt feel intuitive to me
I could use some practice for sure
lost hull
frank light
What's the go to keepsake for speed with Eris? I've seen some start Zeus but that involved getting a super early Poseidon for dash. Should I just start Poseidon since it seems to be the better overall one if you don't then get the opposing boon you need? Is there another more consistent option beside zeus on Attack if you go Tidal Dash
wispy blade
What's the go to keepsake for speed with Eris? I've seen some start Zeus but tha...
zeus
the only other attack if you start tidal is dio
but just do zeus
eris literally does not deal damage without the attack
in tart and aspho
frank light
so what are your other options if you never get tidal? Feels so slow. Hope for cluster bomb? Any other aspect you recommend for someone just starting up for speed. Something reliable like Zeus maybe?
yeah dio sounds rough
wispy blade
so what are your other options if you never get tidal? Feels so slow. Hope for c...
force pos into aspho
pretty shrimple
zeus is not at all reliable
beo is ofc the most reliable aspect so you could just do that
have you watched this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxwSsTPubI
frank light
force pos into aspho
why do I feel like it's difficult to get the first tier boons when I force them with keepsake in aspho, is that just because more tier 2 boons have been unlocked?
yeah I've watched that.
wispy blade
i mean yeah it's like
more difficult
but cores have priority to appear
tdash is worth rolling down for probably
and if you don't get it that's when you reset
frank light
yeah I think it was you or someone else who wrote the priority system, should have SSed it
ok
wispy blade
it was nyaanyaa
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
Thanks nyaanyaa
wispy blade
but yea eris is kinda inconsistent
at higher times it's probably fine
but unmodded you have to reset for first hammer
and for lower times you can only take non clockets if the pace is good
frank light
also I see some people do forced overtime, and some don't. Is that a preference thing, an aspect specific thing?
wispy blade
also I see some people do forced overtime, and some don't. Is that a preference ...
fo2 if you're comfortable
lower it if you die a lot
makes enemies spawn faster
frank light
yeah but does it make it that faster really? I see sub 6 without it.
wispy blade
yeah but does it make it that faster really? I see sub 6 without it.
you've seen a sub6 without fo2?
send screenshot
wispy blade
you don't run td for igt
frank light
yeah I dunno what I was thinking
frank light
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ6tzjgWJhU I notice in this run he picks a random epic dio boon instead of the call in tart (which he ends up selling), is that to get a better chance at the priority slot for Arthemis? Does getting something like a call and then selling it count as having gotten it still for the purposes of rolling boons?
forest token
Calls give worse Hermes odds because it adds 2 extra boons into his pool
frank light
interesting...and getting the call and selling it would still add those boons right?
forest token
Nope
But also it's better to just never take it in case it doesn't show up in the purging pool
forest token
Also Dio has a few unpommable and unsellable boons
So like premium vintage is really good
Strong drink can't be pommed so that's good
But can be sold for quick cash if needed
You also want to sell boons that can be pommed because you generally want to concentrate your poms to a few boons
frank light
yeah I need to pay attention more to that
wispy blade
Strong drink can't be pommed so that's good
also global good
quiet mountain
me getting strong drink in 1st styx tunnel
frank light
what's some good boons to help supplement ME builds. Feeling a bit lackluster with just the base 3 boons necessary for it. Like other god interactions that are beneficial, so I know which to pass up and which to go for
left prism
what's some good boons to help supplement ME builds. Feeling a bit lackluster wi...
impending doom, +dashes from hermes or hyper delivery are the most known boosts
also what rarity/lvl is your doom usually?
frank light
was rare in this instance
whats hyper delivery?
so extra dashes is just more interactions allowed to go att > dash att > dash?
left prism
hyper sprint + rush delivery
left prism
Ohh so that movement speed for that .5s buffs your dooms
if you have rush delivery yeah
frank light
yeah
left prism
having rd also means that stacking ichors gets hilarious
frank light
and what aspect would you recommend for this, someone said demeter because it can scale even before ME
frank light
(demeter is probably my favorite pure melee aspect)
left prism
(and even with ME, charged upper is still solid dmg)
frank light
start ares into athena if I dont get her in tart?
left prism
I'd force athena even if I get her in tart but no ME/dash
frank light
yeah true
wispy blade
what wep is this
left prism
dem
wispy blade
fists?
frank light
I actually got ME in one of my tarts but only had 3 boons like an idiot
wispy blade
frank light
and had to break the combo...
wispy blade
I actually got ME in one of my tarts but only had 3 boons like an idiot
can sell flourish
left prism
doom can manage on it's own for aspho yeah
forest token
and what aspect would you recommend for this, someone said demeter because it ca...
Demeter or nemesis
frank light
flourish?
forest token
Special
left prism
special
frank light
yeah thats what I ended up selling, but didnt see it again for a bit because of a lack of rerolls
just bad boon management
wispy blade
you dont rlly need it
frank light
yeah it wasnt that bad honestly, I'm doing 32 heats with it atm to prep for 40
wispy blade
40 is basically just 32
frank light
yeah before when I was slower it didnt feel that way, but now that I'm used to playing faster I'm starting to agree...really depends on how comfortable I am with the aspect/build
forest token
40 is basically just 32
Fo2 hl5 kinda hurts
at 32 it's one or the other, 40 is both
frank light
yeah I feel the HL5 on melee builds and I feel the FO2 in the ranged builds...I can swap them at 32
I cant at 40
frank light
impending doom, +dashes from hermes or hyper delivery are the most known boosts
does plume impact your chance to get hermes boon spawns?
left prism
does plume impact your chance to get hermes boon spawns?
no, but the game wants to make sure you get your 2 hermes boons so he shows more often by default basically
plume does open his legendary and rush delivery tho
pure seal
brother
dying to a green pot in the hades fight on 32 heat
got to be the greatest pain i've ever felt
especially when it hit me cause Zeus dash blew it up
had missile cluster shot too
it was perfect until that one pot
frank light
dying to a green pot in the hades fight on 32 heat
yeah I picked up random Athenas for this very reason too
purple sure footing is run saving
pure seal
real
but apparently im not able to use my summons against hades though i thought u could after getting 5 hearts?
cause that extra chunk would have also saved me
frank light
have you used it before on him? Maybe you just spent all of your charges
def never made that mistake before 
wispy blade
but apparently im not able to use my summons against hades though i thought u co...
not just that
wispy blade
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 hearts with another of those, or with Skelly or Sisyphus
4 hearts with Hades\
pure seal
7 hearts with one of the following: Megaera, Thanatos, Dusa, or Achilles
7 h...
well i romanced meg so i got that, i have sisyphus companion so i think i should be good no?
or is companion not at 7
i dont actually remember for sure
well after i mentally recover from losing that essentially perfect run ill go again
wispy blade
thsi is why we dont take hs at 32
forest token
dying to a green pot in the hades fight on 32 heat
did you take heightened security
pure seal
no
i was just unfortunately low enough to die to it
I was being reckless due to him being low enough where one or two more special bursts could kill him so i made a mistake now i need to repent and play civ for 5 hours straight
pure seal
1 sec ill open the game and send
pure seal
no imbeds?
forest token
yeah they don't allow those except in #h1-victory-boasting
they said it prevents spam
but an image link will work fine
forest token
ah your build is kinda not great lol
pure seal
yea
wispy blade
Frost Strike
forest token
carried by clockets by the looks of it
pure seal
carried by clockets by the looks of it
this
forest token
did the game just not give you lightning strike or something
pure seal
yeaa
forest token
yeah makes sense lmao
are you comfortable with fo2?
hl3 fo2 kinda sticks out to me
pure seal
yeah its fine
pure seal
idk i just dont like it
forest token
by the looks of it, you have a lot of fodder boons lmao
urge to kill, ares aid, slicing shot, black metal, engulfing vortex, rav will, thunder dash, swift strike, quick favor
honestly, take hl1 and take UC
hl3 fo2 kinda hurts
also why'd you take vial into styx?
pure seal
thats a great question
i didnt even think abt it
does skelly still work with the weird death defiance ?
forest token
if you took acorn you would've won lmao
forest token
does skelly still work with the weird death defiance ?
yeah
but acorn better anyways
forest token
yeah lmao
pure seal
if it aint the consequences of my own actions
forest token
acorn would nullify 5 hits, and any 5 hits from dad or adds would've saved you probably lmao
and tooth would just give you an extra 100 hp from what you were at when you died
unfortunate
pure seal
yea either way i woulda won if i thought using my brain
forest token
it do be like that
it's fine tho
just do it again lmao
even if you don't get clockets, there's still good options
pure seal
yea think i was hyped about making it to hades first time on 32 that i rushed through the room
forest token
and eris still has great dps
forest token
yea think i was hyped about making it to hades first time on 32 that i rushed th...
so why'd you take ares into ely lmfao
forest token
fair enough lmao
your keepsake rotation for eris should be like zeus -> artemis/aphrodite/poseidon -> acorn -> acorn
pure seal
clebbitron vs thinking rationally
pure seal
your keepsake rotation for eris should be like zeus -> artemis/aphrodite/poseido...
ill keep that in mind
forest token
artemis and aphrodite are for the special, poseidon is for the dash
you'd take poseidon if you don't have a special boon going into asphodel
any rarity of arty or aphro will work fine on the special
otherwise, epic demeter or athena will work on the special
forest token
lmao good luck
shut siren
I usually try and bank on Epic Demeter for Rail special, but I'm an Ice Wine + Scintillating Feast addict, and that combo doesn't always come up (and also requires sidelining to Dionysus)
Aphrodite is probably the most consistently easy to get (good at any rarity) because her numbers are high
wispy blade
arty is better for spec
rarity doesnt matter and the boost is bigger
dem is like the lowest % along with athena
shut siren
Yeah I primarily go for it on boss rooms that I see Demeter on because I know the scaling will match up enough
I also do not play conventional high heat strategies and have some odd preferences that definitely don't work past 32 heat (so my advice is probably not as good as people who do the even harder stuff)
took me forever to realize HS is the biggest bait of all time
well not forever
more "it took me forever to actually get hit by a hades pot while running it"
"and then never again"
you only make that mistake one time
quiet mountain
i need that one heat
shut siren
I always went "yeah i just wont hit a trap" and then had my runs entirely ruined by one bad move
forest token
styx moment?
forest token
rip
wispy blade
play more aggressive
forest token
found the time loss lmao
kind sparrow
i thought i had enough
left prism
Oh that explains it lmao
kind sparrow
cut it a sliver too close
forest token
you said you were trying for your first 32 right?
wispy blade
i thought i had enough
did u do it for fun
kind sparrow
if i had taken the acorn keepsake i might have retained enough hp to kill theseus
forest token
probably
kind sparrow
did u do it for fun
kinda yea
forest token
never take mom pom
kind sparrow
i also had almost 5 minutes when i was on the midshop
so i thought i would have enough time
charon fight took barely a minute
wispy blade
just become loyalty card runner lol
forest token
was it common aphro atk btw
kind sparrow
i think maybe rare
wispy blade
lvl3 atk is fine common
forest token
i mean
wispy blade
that’s like 80 something
forest token
it's pretty sad lmao
wispy blade
good enough
forest token
less than shackle
kind sparrow
my shackle is lvl 2 lmao
forest token
barley above your shackle lmao
kind sparrow
i think i got 3 mid hammers for my fists
im using demeter and i got heavy knuckle rush kick and flying cutter
hoary pasture
im using demeter and i got heavy knuckle rush kick and flying cutter
Were you trying to anvil heavy knuckle?
Oh
I’m dumb
Ignore me
hoary pasture
Flying probably
wispy blade
they are optimal
kind sparrow
1erf?
hoary pasture
I changed r
wispy blade
truly amazing binds
wispy blade
I changed r
to what??
wispy blade
i couldn’t have reload on my mouse
frank light
that's 
wispy blade
that rotation sounds so weird
would be worse with aim at cursor though
i’ve been considering aim at cursor for hestia because it’s not as bad as the other rails
hoary pasture
y tho
frank light
yeah I never liked reload on my mouse in other games, always need to be the other hand from the one I shoot
wispy blade
and having control over target seems nice
wispy blade
yeah I never liked reload on my mouse in other games, always need to be the othe...
hasn’t played cruelty squad
hoary pasture
You just get used to it like anything else
hoary pasture
Having too many buttons close to movement ones was the reason I changed it
wispy blade
basically around where eris shoots to
hoary pasture
the autoaim stops working at like 2/3 the shots length
get closer
wispy blade
as u know
wispy blade
get closer
true…
hoary pasture
I mean you’re playing with Tidal dash why would I want to be further than 2/3 of a shot
wispy blade
but like esp exiting rooms it’s just annoying
hoary pasture
It can be yea
wispy blade
cause if there’s like a witch in the corner you just gotta run back
hoary pasture
Or throw a rocket
wispy blade
rocket also doesn’t auto-aim zagcry
but also the targeting can be annoying
shots hit too many numbskulls
and you don’t have that high of a hit volume so i think remedying the aim krill issue might be shrimpler than dealing with that
but also this might be a fake issue
the only rail i’ve played this week is luci
shy plinth
Hey grats!
forest token
Big gaming
frank light
Grats!
left prism
cong🐀s
kind sparrow
rat
torpid fiber
congrats pogu 
gaunt fiber
Arty clockets and flourish from chaos pog
left prism
Cong🐀s
hexed sapphire
i’ve been considering aim at cursor for hestia because it’s not as bad as the ot...
yes it is
hoary pasture
@wispy blade are you gonna do beo 50 this time
I would tell you to race but you know what happened last week
wispy blade
<@752689126448300033> are you gonna do beo 50 this time <:bouldy:523329116934635...
i’ll do it i guess it can’t be that bad
wispy blade
I would tell you to race but you know what happened last week <:bouldy:523329116...
i’m ngl i would have done it if it was like nearly any other aspect
like
fists except gilga
sword except arthur
spear except that one
rail
shield
and bow all fine
it just sucks so hard to play
because at no point does it deal damage
might just be cope
but it just doesn’t do anything ever
hoary pasture
i’ll do it i guess it can’t be that bad
Are you doing ri2 this time
wispy blade
Are you doing ri2 this time
i’m pretty sure beo physically cannot be that bad if you keep ri at 2 or below dc at 0 and em at 3