She said that
#h1-high-heat-strategies
forest token
or post the image in your own private server and copy the image link from that
gaunt portal
I posted in art
mossy zinc
(1) #art was not the right channel to post or discuss that, I literally just told you to upload it to something like imgur and link it 
; (2) #h1-high-heat-strategies is not the right channel to ask for help with this either tbh; (3) idk might just be early game because you haven't actually seen any Ambrosia in the game yet.
shy plinth
You don't have any ambrosia
gaunt portal
I have 5 ambrosia
wispy blade
thats nectar
wispy blade
probably want to go to #h1-for-new-players
gaunt portal
K
mossy zinc
Abusing image permissions in clearly the wrong channel after just joining a server when somebody tells you to link it from somewhere else is a moment, though.
You'll like this one:
Nyaanyaa
There's a simple solution to that: stop taking boons that open up Duo Boons you don't want.unnamed online forum person
Eh, I don’t think that’s always possible. Sometimes I’ll be going for a pair of Duos, but the third option is just eh.I played a run recently with Artemis attack, Poseidon Cast and Dio call. I was in Styx going for Mirage Shot, but when I picked up a Poseidon boon with my last bit of money, it was Exclusive Access. Just a big waste of a slot
mossy zinc
Stop taking boons that open up Duo Boons you don't want.
Eh, I don’t think that’s always possible. I opened up a Duo Boon I didn't want then, but when I picked up a boon with my last bit of money, it was a Duo Boon I didn't want. Just a big waste of a slot
forest token
no dark foresight prob lol
mossy zinc
Used all their Fated Authority rolls to get more Lord Dionysus boons.
forest token
also by they way they're wording it, looks like they're going for a 3 god build with 2 duos
which is a whole different problem lol
wispy blade
was this beo even
forest token
like 2 duos they want, 1 they dont want
mossy zinc
They presumably wanted Splitting Headache, yeah.
wispy blade
or were they going for mirage shot for no reason
wispy blade
flood shot?
wispy blade
isnt flood shot copium for styx
forest token
could be achilles or hera lol
mossy zinc
You can make all of the Cast builds work.
wispy blade
if you idk dont get tdash or something
mossy zinc
Not every run is a speedrun meta build reset if you don't get what you want in Tartarus.
forest token
it's
something i guess
like drunk fists/eris with arty special for a higher crit chance
or drunk zeus with arty atk i guess
it's nothing spectacular but it'll give you something lol
wispy blade
drunk zeus arty atk?
forest token
also it's a global crit chance i think so sure
wispy blade
someone dq this run
forest token
drunk zeus arty atk?
i mean why not lol
forest token
bruh lmao
wispy blade
ngl
mossy zinc
its 7.5% without low tolerance
It's a better Pressure Points, which is pretty good, after all. It's just never the main focus of any build, though.
wispy blade
yeah
but like
going for mirage shot
you dont wanna be being silly like that
esp if its beo which sounds like it would be
severe wedge
If u get stuck w a Dio boon when ur going for Mirage what are u supposed to do? Roll fot Prem Vin or Positive Outlook lol
wispy blade
after patty
party
positive outlook
premium vintage
or take like the special and sell it
this is in styx
mossy zinc
If u get stuck w a Dio boon when ur going for Mirage what are u supposed to do? ...
Yes, exactly.
severe wedge
Id rather have Dio call than not have it tbh
wispy blade
dio call vs double damage lmfao
forest token
Id rather have Dio call than not have it tbh
well the issue here is like, they want a specific duo and because of dio call they didn't get the one they wanted
severe wedge
anytine I get a Dio boon no matter what im going for Im hoping for that or Prem Vin
severe wedge
well the issue here is like, they want a specific duo and because of dio call th...
ig but it's low odds anyway u cant bank on getting a Duo
forest token
i mean in the situation described, they wanted 2 duos out of the 3 available lol
mossy zinc
ig but it's low odds anyway u cant bank on getting a Duo
That's like nearly every meta build though.
forest token
it's just that if you're gonna be hunting for a duo, dont take stuff that's gonna get in the way
and yeah a lot of meta builds hunt for a duo, it's just that most of the time it's not make or break
mossy zinc
I mean you certainly can't bank on getting Mirage Shot if you pick up boons that open up other Duo Boons.
forest token
it's generally only "make or break" if it's flood flare beo or ME
severe wedge
Was it AP2? Or they got offered EA, Sunken Treasure, and Ocean's Bounty. Otherwise idfk why they cope took EA
forest token
flood flare beo without mirage is fine tho, it's just sad
severe wedge
it's plenty powerful enough
forest token
Was it AP2? Or they got offered EA, Sunken Treasure, and Ocean's Bounty. Otherwi...
we dont have any context on this tbh other than EA in styx lol
severe wedge
not that much worse than passion flare tbh
forest token
no it is
mossy zinc
we dont have any context on this tbh other than EA in styx lol
'Twas a person from an unnamed Hades online forum. That's context.
forest token
lmfao
wispy blade
its definitely not any ap
forest token
not *that* much worse than passion flare tbh
flood flare does a considerable amount less than passion, not to mention that passion uses pstatus which gives it a large boost on top of that
a 3 volley of flood flare in ely generally doesnt kill enemies, passion flare needs like 2 with pstatus
severe wedge
we dont have any context on this tbh other than EA in styx lol
If they got offered Typhoon's Fury, Razor Shoals, Second Wave, or Breaking Wave on top of EA then it really isnt that bad of an offering
shy plinth
Guess that would make them wrong
forest token
i mean that isn't the point of the whole duo thing lol
wispy blade
flood flare does a considerable amount less than passion, not to mention that pa...
it takes pstatus?
forest token
passion does yeah
wispy blade
whats 2nd
forest token
snurst
mossy zinc
Guess that would make them wrong
Wait. Somebody from an unnamed Hades online forum can be wrong? That's allowed?
wispy blade
some dash?
severe wedge
flood flare does a considerable amount less than passion, not to mention that pa...
if ur not using ap2 then u can go for razor shoals which is a better status than weak anyway, if it is ap2 then u shouldnt count on pstatus anyway right
forest token
dem for snow burst, atk, or dash
wispy blade
is second wave actually useful
wispy blade
if ur not using ap2 then u can go for razor shoals which is a better status than...
the passion flare being used at high heat in question:
severe wedge
is second wave actually useful
not rlly but it's better than ea in styx
shy plinth
Wait. Somebody from an unnamed Hades online forum can be wrong? That's allowed?
We will issue them a strong reprimand
wispy blade
We will issue them a strong reprimand
in the form of 150 karma
mossy zinc
I shouldn't make fun of them, but it's a bit hard when you throw gems at them and get downvoted sometimes and then see the kind of uninformed posts that get 80+ upvotes lol.
forest token
if ur not using ap2 then u can go for razor shoals which is a better status than...
relying on a t2 curse kinda sucks, and also flood flare beo doesn't use pstatus. only passion does because it doesn't need the immediate ff boost for dps. beo atk is super high, passion flare is high damage
on ap2, you can still rely on pstatus with passion as well. 3 of dem boons will help proc pstatus, and also any random god can help too. because it's ap2, you can settle with dio or ares attack as well
forest token
also considering that passion is used at heat, weak is much better lol
forest token
> razor shoals which is a better status than weak anyway
i mean like dps wise i guess
wispy blade
razor shoals: like 50 dps
forest token
shoals does more damage than weak (assuming no sweet surrender)
wispy blade
weak: makes u happy
forest token
razor shoals: like 50 dps
shoals is actually good damage lol
wispy blade
i mean like dps wise i guess
what if 50 heat high confidence
forest token
honestly based
mossy zinc
You're not gonna reinvent the Beowulf meta by taking Razor shoals for Privileged Status.
forest token
true
wispy blade
me 6 weeks ago would be rejoicing rn
back in my arthur worship era
i honestly dont know what i saw in it
i literally specialed and sat there pressing the mouse without moving
forest token
ngl i'm not too upset about arthur beating nem
wispy blade
i mean
theres a legitimate argument for it as like
a lot of people find it fun
like nem is objectively better but arthur when youre new is a lot more fun
especially if you dont know dps rotation
mossy zinc
Next up we're seeing Achilles beat Hades and Chiron beat Rama.
wispy blade
and gilga beating
mossy zinc
After which we get... honestly no idea which one is going to win between Eris and Lucifer, which is already funny enough tbh.
wispy blade
whats the fist it went up against
wispy blade
lmfao 100%
wispy blade
i think we will see a chiron vs chaos end game
wispy blade
unless reddit has a sudden moment of truth and puts idk eris on top
mossy zinc
i think we will see a chiron vs chaos end game
Considering how close it was for Excalibur to beat Nemesis, yeah that's probably more likely than Excalibur vs Chaos in grand finals.
And then Chaos will win.
wispy blade
truly the greatest aspect of all time
are there any other asprcts where the boost is true and blue useless
like chiron is half and half right
mossy zinc
And then we'll continue to see new people in the server like "wait, I thought Chaos was OP?"
wispy blade
idk hades
severe wedge
After which we get... honestly no idea which one is going to win between Eris an...
ofc Eris gonna win
wispy blade
its reddit
severe wedge
no way Chaos beats Zeus, Zeus alr beat Beo
forest token
buddy
wispy blade
its reddit
wispy blade
are there any other asprcts where the boost is true and blue useless
talos doesnt coutn right
because tou can animation cancel
mossy zinc
Talos is better than Lv.0 Fists, yeah.
wispy blade
rail has none
fists have none
chiron has none
shield has chaos
oh
maybe zagspear
mossy zinc
Talos is better by er... +50% Attack damage occasionally on some enemies that you could have just applied Boiling Blood to instead probably but the pull will save some time on occasion.
forest token
zag spear can do the funny exploding launcher and charged skewer moment
mossy zinc
And on bosses you get both Boiling Blood and +50% Attack damage.
wispy blade
zag spear can do the funny exploding launcher and charged skewer moment
consider: flurry
forest token
but more % on zag
mossy zinc
You're underrating Chiron though.
wispy blade
is the hades bonus used
mossy zinc
Yes.
mossy zinc
You do quick-release spins on Hades.
wispy blade
the 30 damage ones?
mossy zinc
Or use max spin for new waves in Tartarus for quick wave clear.
mossy zinc
?
Chiron can occasionally pivot into pure Attack builds in high heat, especially when you throw in AP2. But you still primarily use both Attack and Special in most runs.
wispy blade
someone told me in soeedcord bad zagbow is more consistent but special can be better
but yeah its definitely not 100% useless
mossy zinc
That's because AP2 hurts your chances of getting the scaling you want on your Special.
mossy zinc
That's for speedruns, too. I was talking high heat.
severe wedge
yeah ap2 on eris was annoying af bc if i got spread fire or hazard bomb it was an instant reset
mossy zinc
Hazard Bomb Eris is fine. 
ashen garnet
Unpopular opinion: if you are willing to go the extra mile and commit to running high heat, at some point EM3 becomes easier than standard Heroes because their attacks are easier to anticipate, give you more time to react ||and is much less likely to throw bugged attacks||, even on melee
pure wave
also because theseus doesn't even aim at you
daring osprey
Should theseus be killed first or Asterius be?
jaunty falcon
Usually Asterius
mossy zinc
Ideally both at the same time, but that requires a pretty strong build.
ashen garnet
Or even memorize when they are phasing healthbar-wise, so you can adjust to phase Theseus first, then Asterius once Theseus is out of the bubble and stuck in a calling state although it's p difficult to setup
Believing the safest place is right behind Theseus chariot if you have enough mobility, although you may still want to phase Asterius first
Disclaimer : player having a strong melee bias gameplay-wise and running Mort to burst both Heroes after phasing 
wispy blade
Disclaimer : player having a strong melee bias gameplay-wise and running Mort to...
meg is better for heroes
ashen garnet
Doubt
wispy blade
Doubt
press w and 1 the moment you start heroes
meg is also just generally better
faster drop means miniboss die quicker
and means dad cant like pop out of the circle
ashen garnet
Short answer: high-heat clearing is not a speedrun (not at the core at least, even with TD3), so if your dps is lacking, Mort's extra burst is handy, particularly with CP1/2. More complicated to setup, but they exist and help a lot in flattening dps/difficulty curve for late bosses and minibosses
wispy blade
oh yeah
dknt people also take dusa ar jigh heat
oh thsi is high heat channel
i just recoiled at “runs than because heroes”
ashen garnet
dknt people also take dusa ar jigh heat
You can if you have the dps, but not the safety, although it's rather niche too
ashen garnet
Cursed knowledge : Mort can backstab
left prism
Inflict exposed then Than suddenly is allowed to backstab
Haelian did a vid on that iirc
quartz mantle
daring osprey
how on earth does one use the aspect of zeus?
daring osprey
Who is baj?
shy plinth
The best Zeus player in the game and the first person to complete 64 heat (routed)
The room outcomes are largely predetermined, but still, if you want to see pixel perfect execution, this is where to look
hoary pasture
Chinese high heaters are no joke at Zeus
daring osprey
Can he teach me how to boonless mirrorless with zeus?
shy plinth
Yeah there are a few players who are really good
ykc and damue I think
I mean this run is mirrorless
It's not boonless but still it'll teach you the techniques
wispy blade
yeah i remember i looked at the spreadsheet and was like "someone did max heat mirrorless????" but then i was like oh
daring osprey
Same
hoary pasture
ykc and damue I think
Damue is a cheater. Not worth mentioning when it comes to anything regarding high heat and skill in this community. Been a long time since I saw anything from Ykc definitely a top tier Beo and Zeus high heater. I'm talking about the people who joined speedcord recently and basically bombarded it with insane achievements, a good portion of them is on Zeus shield like 60 boonless, and the 2 64 clears.
forest token
#h1-high-heat-strategies message
baj talked about how to use zeus a bit here, later down he posted a vid for proof of concept
not boonless or mirrorless, but it's good for learning basics about it
shy plinth
Oh I remember that about Damue, my b
And yeah I see some new names on here too that are tearing it up
Top 5 runs on the leaderboard are all zeus
hoary pasture
The chinese community always had incredible high heat runners. Would be kinda unfair to just consider one to be the best Zeus shield player and that's it.
shy plinth
Yeah it looks like I have a lot of runs to catch up on
Very impressive skill on display here
daring osprey
I didn't know this game had a chinese community
shy plinth
A huge one
We have a translated leaderboard and everything
We built it so the results are merged
Players can submit to either one and they all show up on both
forest token
I didn't know this game had a chinese community
they reemerged after a while it seems like lol
shy plinth
We've got bilibili runs going back years now
forest token
ever since vorime got the modded wr, a ton showed up
daring osprey
Any players i should take notes from?
shy plinth
I feel like the speedrunning discord built a good connection and it's grown from there
There wasn't really a lot of accessibility for CN players for a while
Magnil also helped build a lot of bridges
forest token
Any players i should take notes from?
ngl i dont remember but i think one of the names is mysterria? you'd have to ask around in the high heat channel in the speedrunning discord
there's quite a few good ones
shy plinth
I would just check out the runs on the leaderboard
forest token
also that
shy gulch
yeah therse a very large chinese high heat community who are very very good at the game
shy plinth
Can't really go wrong watching people clear 60+ runs
daring osprey
Modded referred to a very specific modpack right?
forest token
speedrun modpack yeah
that's basically the only other mod allowed for leaderboards
the other one is all epic boon start
i think
that last one is only for high heat probably
daring osprey
Tomatos funky modpack that disables enemy spawns isnt allowed:(
daring osprey
I wouldn't bc every time i install a mod i end up somehow breaking the i installed it for
forest token
oh lmao
have you talked to the people in the modding discord to see if they can help?
daring osprey
Still dont know how a cyberpunk mod nuked my mc world but atleast i had a backup
forest token
wait wtf lmfao
daring osprey
Had to do a clean reinstall of both games and havent touched mods since
forest token
fair enough
daring osprey
Btw where could i find mysterras runs(specifically the almost boonless almost mirrorless 60 heat one)? Tried looking em up on yt with no success
forest token
not on youtube, it's on the chinese video website bilibili or whatever it's called
i'll try and get the link for you
aight i can't find it lmao
daring osprey
Thanks for trying regardless
hoary pasture
Grab a random run from them and browse their bilibili profile, should have their clears there. Could ask for it if it's not there. I was going to try but my internet is trash atm.
daring osprey
I shall
mossy zinc
The chinese community always had incredible high heat runners. Would be kinda un...
I don't know if Baj is the best Zeus main anymore, but he's definitely the OG and most influential. Everyone else came after him. 
mossy zinc
ever since vorime got the modded wr, a ton showed up
I think it might be more like how the Hades 2 announcement brought quite a few people back in our community, at least for a time.
mossy zinc
Modded referred to a very specific modpack right?
Modded high heat technically allows any mod, but you're required to specify what mods you're using. In practice, every single submission uses the speedrun modpack.
winged cedar
Damue is a cheater. Not worth mentioning when it comes to anything regarding hig...
Ykc doesn't play Hades anymore.
honest kernel
I don't know if Baj is the best Zeus main anymore, but he's definitely the OG an...
As far as quantifiable results go, I'm definitely beaten for high heat. 57 heat unmodded has been thwarted by a few already, and 62 heat modded is pretty much a match to most of the high heat zeus players (And outdone by those 64 heat modded runs)
All I have is that 64 heat route, really.
winged cedar
How is your unm64?@honest kernel
solemn pulsar
All I have is that 64 heat route, really.
And speed
honest kernel
How is your unm64?<@456226577798135808>
The last attempt was weeks ago. I haven't been doing runs. Tiny Vermin is my nemesis for now
winged cedar
This is my last blessing.
honest kernel
And speed
Gonna be honest here, I don't feel that highly about being the best speed zeus shield. There isn't that much competition to begin with for an aspect that you shouldn't consider for speed. People play it for categories that shoehorn you into the aspect, and when the most popular categories give you the choice of your weapon, you'll play the best ones, and practice those. Hard to really feel pride about it
solemn pulsar
All I’ll say is plenty of gamers have cracked into it and split off bc of the difficulty of taking it quick, and you were able to give it a high peak and good consistency
honest kernel
But in heat, it's different, since Zeus shield is a genuine top tier aspect, people will be more incentivized to play it and master whatever is in there. The fact that I even was quickstarting it surprised me
solemn pulsar
But that’s a fair opinion
winged cedar
I want to play unm64 for two hours every day.
mossy zinc
As far as quantifiable results go, I'm definitely beaten for high heat. 57 heat ...
"Best" can be defined in a multitude of ways anyway.
honest kernel
I want to play unm64 for two hours every day.
If you do end up doing it, I wish you good luck
ashen garnet
Gonna be honest here, I don't feel that highly about being the best speed zeus s...
Still having mad respect for runners like you which are pushing their aspect of choice as far as possible without being dictated otherwise by meta standards ✊ 
mossy zinc
Well, Baj was already doing high heat back when the meta was basically everybody using their favorite aspects lol.
daring osprey
Well, Baj was already doing high heat back when the meta was basically everybody...
there is a meta?
mossy zinc
Sure.
daring osprey
are there any other meta aspects outside of zeus and hestia bc zeus with boonless mirrorless is really not working out for me
hoary pasture
Zag Shield too
mossy zinc
are there any other meta aspects outside of zeus and hestia bc zeus with boonles...
Boonless mirrorless meta is all of the runs you already know. There's some overlap with other high heat, but it's not the same meta.
Basically, boonless mirrorless meta is very unexplored.
distant pelican
i think i saw angel boonless mirrorless 50 heat with zeus shield
daring osprey
angels
mossy zinc
Yes. That was modded.
distant pelican
ah
daring osprey
its what got me to start looking at other aspects for boonless mirrorless
wispy blade
i think so
daring osprey
mysterra did a 60 heat almost boonless almost mirrorless run but the video quality was so bad that i didnt really pick up anything of note
mossy zinc
AngeL1C's 50 has AP1 by the way.
mossy zinc
which makes me very sad
AngeL1C has plenty of recorded runs that you can learn from though.
But even then, like... most of it comes down to many many many hours of practice.
She probably has way more hours in the game than me at this point.
daring osprey
She probably has way more hours in the game than me at this point. <:tizomg:4569...
are we talking hundreds or thousands of hours here?
wispy blade
thousands
forest token
At least a thousand was put in towards high heat Zeus lol
daring osprey
gs?
wispy blade
gd
daring osprey
i dont know what that means
wispy blade
geometry dash
daring osprey
how do you not burn out after like the first 300 hrs?
wispy blade
its a very hard game
actually
i should get back into that
i have improved grind ability
daring osprey
also where do you find the time to grind 4k hours of geometry dash?
mossy zinc
4k or so in gs
I have somewhere around that in SFV.
wispy blade
also where do you find the time to grind 4k hours of geometry dash?
being a child lmfao
daring osprey
even then
i feel like i have stumbled on a discord server full of very bored immortals
wispy blade
this was in middle school
mostly
funny thing is
i completely sucked
and i still do suck
wispy blade
my hardest is necropolix lmfao
daring osprey
no way you have 4k hours and suck
wispy blade
youd be surprised
im probably about as good at gd as i am at hades
so not very good
daring osprey
i have no clue what that is but i feel like your standard for "sucking" is way different than mine
wispy blade
but people have gotten way bigger achievements in gd
like comparatively
its sort of the nature of having been released so much earlier
this game is at like the 2017 stage of gd
by time
daring osprey
i mean yes, if i compared myself to OWL players im sure i would come to the conclusion that i suck too
wispy blade
which means, if it grows as much, in a few years well be seeing unmodded unseeded sub10 64 heags or something
daring osprey
doesnt change the fact that im quite a bit above average
wispy blade
cause like
in 2017 idek if bloodlust was verified yet
this game has hopefully a lot of growth to do
daring osprey
it will be interesting to see how the community changes when hades 2 comes out
wispy blade
although having minimal custom content and lots of rng isnt conducive of that
daring osprey
thats why you do boonless mirrorless
wispy blade
if gd had no user levels itd be dead in the water rn lmfao
hades is way better as a standalone game
tbh hades is just better
gd kinda sucks
daring osprey
i mean one of em is a mobile game
wispy blade
but rhythm games and rhythm like games naturally have a much larger capacity for like longevity
daring osprey
gd kinda sucks
of all the people you would know
wispy blade
i imagine hades will be looked at in 20 years pronanlt with a similar reverence to how i see half life 1
probably toned down a little since thats the greatest game ever made
but its more a casual experience that has on the side a super dedicated community for speedruns
daring osprey
i doubt it since half life came out at a time when the gaming community was smaller so it was possible to make a bigger inpact
wispy blade
well naturally
but hades is so good it literally tricks people into thinking they like roguelites
daring osprey
true
wonder if hades 2 will split the community into hades 1 and 2 players or will we all just switch over to 2
wispy blade
im scared of sucking at hades 2
daring osprey
At the same time.
weak, im playing hades with my feet hades 2 with my keyboard chess with my mouse and overwatch with my mic
wispy blade
the tf2 in question:
mossy zinc
weak, im playing hades with my feet hades 2 with my keyboard chess with my mouse...
Chess and Overwatch are not SGG games.
2 points subtracted.
wispy blade
weak, im playing hades with my feet hades 2 with my keyboard pyre with my mouse and bastion with my mic
daring osprey
Chess and Overwatch are not SGG games.
thats bc you dont play them like sgg games
also idk what sgg means
wispy blade
and transistor with my jedi mind powers
mossy zinc
SGG = Supergiant Games
wispy blade
also idk what sgg means
look at this servers name
mossy zinc
lol
wispy blade
lmfao
i want to get the other ones but im also broke
and i need to save for hades 2
mossy zinc
weak, im playing hades with my feet hades 2 with my keyboard pyre with my mouse ...
Bastion doesn't have Lady Aphrodite.
Play Pyre twice instead.
daring osprey
weak, im playing hades with my feet hades 2 with my keyboard pyre with my mouse ...
Pathetic, im playing hades 1 with a foot hades 2 with my second foot pyre with my keyboard bastion with my mouse and transistor by shouting commands into the mic
all without knowing anything about pyre bastion or transistor
mossy zinc
Pathetic, im playing hades 1 with a foot hades 2 with my second foot pyre with m...
Transistor doesn't work with commands.
It works with functions.
daring osprey
Transistor doesn't work with commands.
everything works with commands if you are technically competent enough
mossy zinc
Functions are powers stored within the Transistor that a User can utilize during combat.
daring osprey
wait does it or does it not take inputs from keyboard and mouse?
wispy blade
lmfao
daring osprey
bc if it does couldnt you just set up a text to speech program and some code to interpret the words as inputs
mossy zinc
#transistor-tech-support
daring osprey
looks very voice commandable to me
daring osprey
just talk real fast
distant pelican
i feel like i have stumbled on a discord server full of very bored immortals
i got 3000 hours in overwatch 
distant pelican
Are you good tho
got gm1 in open queue this season (the loser's mode)
pure lily
wispy blade
thanks for this hades high heat tip
forest token
i'm sure that's gonna help me get to 55 heat
brittle sparrow
I dunno if it counts as “high heat”, but I was wondering if there is a recommended pact for doing 32 heat on hestia
forest token
I dunno if it counts as “high heat”, but I was wondering if there is a recommend...
32 is high heat yeah, just check the pins for a pact
wispy blade
I dunno if it counts as “high heat”, but I was wondering if there is a recommend...
hestia you have your pick of hl1 fo2 or hl5 fo1
brittle sparrow
I didn’t do any FO going up to 20 heat so perhaps I should start with FO1
warm dagger
F0 is a must if you want to acclimate to 32 and above.
wispy blade
F0 is a must if you want to acclimate to 32 and above.
why did you type a zero
warm dagger
idk. brainfart
brittle sparrow
eh, wait, pin suggests EM3 TD3 MM BP2 UC LC4 LC4 HL1 FO2. the difference from HL1 -> HL5 is 4 heat, but FO2 -> FO1 is 3 heat. do you mean, just HL4?
wispy blade
yeah
hestia that's probably an easier pact
on melee aspects you'd switch off the fo2
shy plinth
eh, wait, pin suggests EM3 TD3 MM BP2 UC LC4 LC4 HL1 FO2. the difference from HL...
HL5 CF2 FO0 is typical
That's the 6 heat difference
wispy blade
hestia makes fo2 with 2 dashes free
forest token
Dad fight without any fo experience is rough
shy plinth
Heroes fight without any FO experience is rough
wispy blade
______________ without any fo experience is rough
but hestia
just keep your enemies off the screen
brittle sparrow
well thanks for the advice, I beat 32 heat on the first try. went with the HL5 CF2 FO0 since hat said it was "typical" and I am not acclimated to FO
wispy blade
nice
shy plinth
well thanks for the advice, I beat 32 heat on the first try. went with the HL5 C...
Nice work!!
stuck hemlock
Someone had a excel file with conditions once, can someone send it again perchance?
hoary pasture
Someone had a excel file with conditions once, can someone send it again perchan...
The one in the pins?
stuck hemlock
The one in the pins?
Oh 💀. Yeah thanks
wooden creek
Ok this might be the cringiest question ever, but what are you guys referring to when you say FO and EM3 and MM and stuff
Is that like the pact of punishment?
forest token
it's a lot easier to say "fo2" or "hl5" instead of typing out "forced overtime 2" and "hard labor 5" lol
distant pelican
kinda overwhelming at first but you'll probably learn them given enough experience
shell jacinth
What is the meta for fists at around 32-40 heat range? Zeus, ME, or Aphro?
clever otter
I’m pretty sure that out of those ME is the best, but also that the meta is not playing fists at high heats
forest token
Lmao that's true
ME or Zeus generally
Until ap2 is turned on I think then you do dio
shell jacinth
Thanks! Ye melee is hard
wispy blade
is doing hestia 58 heat a bad idea
will i just keep dying
eh whatever i want to get better at running first
hoary pasture
is doing hestia 58 heat a bad idea
If you don't have much experience with Hestia high heat then probably yea
EM4 is punishing and the rng can be really cruel with AP2 RI2
wispy blade
i think i might actually get worse at heat if i do more running though
because i remember at the point when i did 50 heat my rotation was a lot more methodic and intentional
while now it's better for running but it's a lot more mashy
and i lose health a lot
hoary pasture
Your play might become a bit more aggressive but with practice it should get cleaner and more controlled, when you swap to high heat you'll adapt back and lose a bit of the recklessness. If anything, speedrunning probably improves your play overall because it's also about movement and optimizing your build/damage rotation and being more efficient at clearing rooms.
wispy blade
also i am not used to not-rocket special
tart before it is so annoying
it doesnt one hit anything it should be
granted that would be a not issue with hazard
but also aim :(
wispy blade
shrewd socket
https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KWc-jjxIVw2WtP3qq18b10VS9n2Osrmb1vp...
thanks, i'll save it
forest token
it's pinned here
gaunt fiber
hesty lame
mossy zinc
Just becomes somewhat dull when you play it a lot on controller because it's the exact same rhythm for the whole run. I guess on KBM would be different because you're at least aiming.
hoary pasture
The majority still use auto aim on kbm
And only turn it off on EM4
We aim the special ig
mossy zinc
And only turn it off on EM4
At least you get to aim during EM4. While we get "stop aiming at the urns, you stupid...!" 
hoary pasture
Jokes on you I still aim at the urns with autoaim off
The best strat for Hestia is to get clockets
Not that hard tbh
cursive portal
hazard gang
timber beacon
Just becomes somewhat dull when you play it a lot on controller because it's the...
Ahhhhh, fair.
shell jacinth
Is Parting Shot any good on Phalanx Shot Poseidon Sword, or sell for 420 gold?
wispy blade
phalanx backstab meme is hera only right
forest token
because otherwise you might get offered it again
shell jacinth
👍 thanks fellas
modest wharf
recommended 40 heat pact?
I cleared it with shield a while ago but I don't remember what I picked at all
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.
In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.
So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.
fringe sparrow
make sussy amogussy build!1!!!!!1!
shy plinth
Why are you posting nonsense in 4 channels in 4 minutes
solemn pulsar
Why are you posting nonsense in 4 channels in 4 minutes
so someone will make the sussy amogussy build!1!!!!!1!
shy plinth
I suppose I ask a stupid question
forest token
vengeful mood ME
fringe sparrow
so someone will make the sussy amogussy build!1!!!!!1!
yes
calm knoll
why is damage control not commonly used
jaunty falcon
Its not fun
timber beacon
^
It’s literally pure difficulty with no payoff.
It’s honestly more of a debuff than an enemy buff tbh.
jaunty falcon
Relatively high dps with few boons, special can strip dc2 quickly, 1 dash is less of an issue since you can block
jaunty falcon
Also does DC cancel Fiery Presence?
No
lost hull
Ty
shy gulch
if acorn is such a good keepsake what if i gave acorn to every single enemy in the entire video game
^thats damage control
it sux
scarlet coyote
is there an aspect that can work with dc1 but not 2
haughty sky
at like 40 you can cope with dc1 for aspects that aren’t particularly good at dc
like shields or whatever
but past that it’s usually all or nothing
forest token
Imagine critting for no damage
shy plinth
I do think DC is somewhat commonly used when you get into the 40s - but it's a large time loss and invalidates certain aspects
For any enemies you would kill in 1 hit, you are doubling the amount of hits you need to do at dc1 and tripling at dc2
gusty valve
Hestia DC is OP
shy plinth
Yes I agree, it's Objectively Poor
gaunt fiber
is there an aspect that can work with dc1 but not 2
An interesting question! I think Beowulf kinda works that way
As you dash strike before you unleash your casts, you can strip DC1
forest token
You can brute force dc2 with beo for 60 heat but also pain lmao
But beo on dc1 isn't too bad, tart will kinda suck tho
Wouldn't take dc1 until 50 tho only because I don't like em4 lmao
wispy blade
is there an aspect that can work with dc1 but not 2
i think sword is sort of like that
because dedge
forest token
Needs a bit of practice but nothing close to EM4 Malphon
the issue here is that i dont want to learn em4 lol
if i want to push higher heat tho i do recognize i have to learn it
but i dont want to push higher as of now lol
gaunt fiber
It's a very fun fight
mossy zinc
Also does DC cancel Fiery Presence?
Yeah, DC will negate all of your first hits. So if you use DC, just use Shadow Presence.
mossy zinc
EM4 Beo is rather comfy
Yeah, with a good build, you just skip most of the fight and can hide behind a shield for any part you don't skip.
forest token
i think i'm still traumatized when i first did em4 at 50 heat, i thought i was ready and then i died instantly lmao
maybe i'll give it another shot (without practice ofc)
mossy zinc
That's what I used to do with Divine Strike in early access though.
forest token
The hardest part is not to give up
instead of em4 i did ap2 dc1 and got it first try on that pact lol but yeah definitely
gaunt fiber
Oh yeah
gaunt fiber
It's just that I'm a very stubborn person and I decided that my Talos 50 would be EM4
gaunt fiber
Nowadays with hell mode and modded though...
forest token
true modded helped a lot
if i didn't have the modpack i would've learned em4 instead of taking ap2 lol
gaunt fiber
This is the part I dislike about modded
forest token
taking shortcuts lol
gaunt fiber
When I going for Guan Yu 50, AP2 was not an option. So I went AP1 JS3 CP2 (because no hell mode)
forest token
tbf for extremely high heats like 60+ i think it's more fair because otherwise 100s of resets are such a pain
but like anything below that is taking a lot of shortcuts, esp being able to cut through ap2 on the first hammer
gaunt fiber
Yeah
Extreme heat is another territory
Modded is also good for practice in general
mossy zinc
The only part I dislike about modded is when people claim or refer to WRs but leave out that it's modded.
And then have an attitude when somebody else points out it's modded.
Which shouldn't be an issue but somehow has been more than once. 
forest token
just have the unmodded time be faster than the modded time
forest token
Do 32 now lol
pallid crown
I wish lol
I failed so many 32heat runs on the first boss
Either running out of time or just taking too many hits
mossy zinc
That clear time is a bit slow for 32 Heat.
mossy zinc
That run could have been faster and easier with a different pact.
haughty sky
grats on 32 heat!
pure wave
That run could have been faster and easier with a different pact. <:dusa:5222487...
ahaha it was inspired by QB Smash's runs
pure wave
grats on 32 heat!
ty haha
shy plinth
Grats!
pure wave
I feel like I'm double dipping on the compliments here lmao, this was from 2 weeks ago, I was just showing the viability of slow 32 heat wins
but ty too
forest token
slower games means more room for mistakes which is the bigger issue
pure wave
slower games means you can fight enemies one at a time
pure wave
I'll admit it gets bad in styx
but most rooms are big enough
and with FO0 I can outrun them
forest token
or you could just not take the pacts that take up a lot of time and take td3
pure wave
yeah but I lose HP when I try to go fast
forest token
that's why you take lc4 and sd
pure wave
that seems hard
forest token
like i'm fairly confident that your run would've been under 20 minutes if you didn't take all those slow pacts
pure wave
I'll give that a shot next time though
forest token
that seems hard
it's a lot easier than it seems
pure wave
no I'm quite mechanically bad lmao
forest token
it is spooky at first because you're fighting rooms with 60% total hp, but it's something to get used to
forest token
no I'm quite mechanically bad lmao
eh i doubt it
pure wave
nah like I suck at dodging attacks
that's why I did that for 32 heat, so I didn't have to dodge because I was so far away
pure wave
oh yeah, that too
I hate FO so much
I try it and then instead of dodging 50% of stuff I dodge 0%
(hyperbole obviously)
shy plinth
You've done a 16 minute 25
Your mechanics are fine
You took a lot of pacts that made the game slower and harder and then convinced yourself that you were too slow and the game was too hard
cursive portal
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/723113245342302227/1078476297522663484/im...
💀
lost hull
#h1-victory-boasting message
@wispy blade I'm up for suggestions for GY 32 heat then cause I suck at it 🙈
I tried ME a few times and hunting blades, but neither really worked out
I'm not used to playing it so I think I also just need practice
pure wave
Special spam with charged skewer
lost hull
Had a build with charged skewer, hunting blades, vicious cycle and I lost at dad's second phase 
wispy blade
GY probably prefers a lodging cast for boiling blood
Build for charged skewer and get a % based special
gaunt fiber
ME is very strong on Guan Yu. Unfortunately the weapon does not scale much out of it.
Otherwise, I recommend Artemis/Poseidon/Aphrodite special along with charged skewer.
With enough practice though, you could just for ME regardless of the hammer. It will work, just won't be as fast
wispy blade
pos special?
gaunt fiber
Just focus on your on your execution. Special > Double dash strike.
There are a lot of optimization but mastering the rotation and above all when/how to perform it is super important
gaunt fiber
pos special?
Rupture is good and the damage is stupidly high. Not to mention that kiting enemies back can be useful
gaunt fiber
You can test it ou
wispy blade
gy kinda weird hestia so tdash start prob works
wispy blade
wow 4 thousand
gaunt fiber
The thing on the special is that you kind of want to make it scale.
Arty > hunter's mark but bosses will be a bit weird.
Aphro > highest base damage, no real scaling though.
Poseidon > Second highest damage (very close to heartbreak flourish) and opens up rupture (also a good god to have in your pool, the aid being a life saver)
Overall if I have to pick on AP2, it will be Aphrodite
wispy blade
arty averages out to a higher damage
less consistent but common is 96%
aph is more usable for room clear
also pos aid not that great
gaunt fiber
Kek
gaunt fiber
Oh in that way
It's not amazing but can be a life saver. If you get rip current, you'll crush Elysium
It's just nice to have a panic button
My first 50 was def carried by pos
left prism
pos call also very fun
gaunt fiber
arty averages out to a higher damage
This kind of data is nice to know on bosses but most of the time you need to reach break points.
I don't think overkilling enemies will award you a medal
I love deadly flourish but I definitely want hunter's mark with it
wispy blade
well yeah
but arty atk/special is generally taken when you already have chaos scaling
like, on hestia, you take arty atk if your chaos scaling adds to 100
gaunt fiber
That is true but then I'm not really sure what range of heat we're talking about
Can you imagine resetting for chaos + deadly flourish + c skewer? Oh boi the grind it'd be
gaunt fiber
Yeah pretty much anything works
Tbh I had interesting results with doom
Not really suited for 50+ unfortunately
jaunty falcon
I really like poseidon special on gy
Rupture alone makes it amazing
My heat pb has aphro tho
mossy zinc
@upper juniper if you use this pact, it shouldn't be too much of a problem getting a decent build. JS1 won't be too different from JS0, and you'll have enough time to take trials or skip mid-shops for free boons and stuff. And AP0 will help you get way better boons from Master Chaos and Lord Hermes + better hammers. https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1084619831669694564/Hades_6267.png
You'll notice even if the 1-2 gods you go for are different, the boons from Master Chaos and Lord Hermes + the hammers you go for are still almost always the same.
And often the Dash boons you'd go for are still the same, too.
upper juniper
You'll notice even if the 1-2 gods you go for are different, the boons from Mast...
Yup 👍
upper juniper
And often the Dash boons you'd go for are still the same, too.
Which pretty much just ends up being divine dash so that I can get extra survivability tbh
mossy zinc
On Zeus Shield, that'd be Divine Dash or Tidal Dash most likely.
digital glen
what should i take for pact to clear Heat 8?
you can check my last pacts
i tried 2-3times wasnt able to clear heat 8 that easily
waxen relic
You can try out the first pin in this channel. And just practice, you'll get there
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1085186892229791794/20...
With that clear time, you can do TD3 pretty comfortably.
digital glen
With that clear time, you can do TD3 pretty comfortably.
okay
pure wave
I find that EM3, BP2 and MM while not necessarily easy make the game more fun
digital glen
You can try out the first pin in this channel. And just practice, you'll get the...
more pressure helped me lol
digital glen
With that clear time, you can do TD3 pretty comfortably.
thanks for the suggestion,TD3 is pretty hard for 1st time but yes helps you focus up.
mossy zinc
17:34 looks pretty comfy for TD3.
digital glen
17:34 looks pretty comfy for TD3. <:squirtnya:472124054644457472>
i see
mossy zinc
Well, probably stressful the first few times.
digital glen
it was in Tartarus since i only had like 50secs left
mossy zinc
Because you don't have the experience yet to know you're doing just fine on pace.
digital glen
Because you don't have the experience yet to know you're doing just fine on pace...
i did, usually i don't look at timers much but this time i had to keep a track so it was lil bit stressful(but i enjoyed it)
mossy zinc
You'll be a lot more comfortable after a few TD3 clears.
digital glen
yeah will go with EM2 for 9 and then HL 2 for 10
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1085201401292001372/20...
Btw your builds will be way stronger if you switch from Olympian Favor to Dark Foresight.
digital glen
Btw your builds will be *way* stronger if you switch from Olympian Favor to Dark...
ohh missed to change that,will remember this.
slow zealot
any tips? im got into my omori phase and now i cant even do heat 20 without dying three times-
wispy blade
any tips? im got into my omori phase and now i cant even do heat 20 without dyin...
kill your opponents
shy plinth
Are you following the guides in the pins?
slow zealot
yeah the pacts depend but my mirror almost max and i stick to the death defiance side
shy plinth
Are you using dark foresight
Death defiance is fine at 20
No need to switch to SD until you start taking full lasting consequences
slow zealot
alr
wispy blade
the flipped ones should be fiery presence, persuasion, family favorites, and dark foresight
slow zealot
yep i have those
shy plinth
Priv status is for very specific builds
slow zealot
is family favs good?
barren basin
is Underworld Customs a standard purging pool (random 3 boons)? Cogitating on my next run if I want to add it in and how that changes my picks
wispy blade
is Underworld Customs a standard purging pool (random 3 boons)? Cogitating on m...
yes
nothing changes about the pool
you just gotta drop a boon
you still get the money too
so rarity for sell well applies
barren basin
interesting. Do people save a reroll in case it hits 3 must-haves or is that very rare?
forest token
I do
wispy blade
interesting. Do people save a reroll in case it hits 3 must-haves or is that ver...
yeah generally
you don't have to nearly as much on leaner builds
wispy blade
but even on a less than boon reliant weapon like hestia, you could still get attack,special,dash in one pool
barren basin
I've had a duo fodder before (really didn't pay attention to what I was getting prereqs for)
barren basin
yeah
wispy blade
that counts as rarity for sell well
forest token
also UC only applies to the purging well inbetween biomes, not one you find in a random room
mossy zinc
interesting. Do people save a reroll in case it hits 3 must-haves or is that ver...
Depends on how many boons I have and what rerolling can get me. It's a good idea to save a reroll if the chances are high that you're forced to purge something great.
smoky sable
forest token
there's a heat guide pinned here
barren basin
I like adding FO1 then 2 asap. Get your reflexes trained for a new normal
forest token
that's fine if you want to go for heat higher than 32
32 heat, you dont need fo2
it does make part of the pact more lenient by not taking hl5 and cf2, but most players find it easier to not use fo2
heady bone
I like adding FO1 then 2 asap. Get your reflexes trained for a new normal
yea same
i put it on as soon as i got familiar with the pact
barren basin
it feels more fun than punishing to me. Coming from Dead Cells and similar speedy roguelikes I like needing to up my reflex/positioning game as the difficulty increases
barren basin
and I appreciate that it's not strictly necessary so those that just want the magnificient prize I have yet to earn don't have to be subjected to it (oh, skelly, you tease)
forest token
if you're already used to fo2 you might as well use it tbh lol
it's kinda free heat for the most part
granted fo0 is still obv easier so you'll get hit less so hl5 isn't as punishing
but personal preference
probably
barren basin
True, I haven't pumped HL at all yet, the two combined are probably pretty hard. At this point though I'm not sure I would time dodges correctly if I set it back to 0.
forest token
you might
who knows lol
but yeah hl and fo together are a pain
i think if you're only used to fo1, just take fo0 for 32 heat lol
barren basin
LC4 will be a big paradigm shift for me. I love healing...
forest token
if you're less than 30% hp in a room, die to a trap or last enemy in the room to pop your Stubborn Defiance for "healing"
lc4 SD because your form of budget healing, helps a lot because at that point bp2 can make rooms absolutely hell
and boss fights should be relatively consistent
barren basin
if you're less than 30% hp in a room, die to a trap or last enemy in the room to...
remembering to do this will be the hardest part.
barren basin
that was the other thing I expect I would do lol
let's just take a bath in Lernie's lava pool OH WAIT
forest token
i did that once lol
rapid hawk
https://tenor.com/view/haelian-mistake-hades-egg-gif-19288124
do you have link to clip/ full video? I would love to see this
rapid hawk
barren basin
Would have been nice a run or two ago where I DD'd twice before Elysium in two random rooms. But normally I only maybe die to Hades and having the extra safety net is so comforting...
forest token
yeah SD is more lenient for normal rooms, DD is more lenient for boss fights
assuming you'd only die to heroes and dad
SD needs clean boss fights because you have less hp to work with, DD needs clean room clears because otherwise you'd waste them
barren basin
assuming you'd only die to heroes and dad
heroes became so much easier when I switched to EM3. Asterius is more dangerous but Theseus is a lot less annoying
barren basin
damn, died on my first attempt on 32 against Hades second phase. so close...
wraith hinge
Hey everyone. Ages ago I was in here asking for help with my 32 heat runs. Well I managed to make it to 40 heat yesterday! I forgot to mention that so thanks everyone for helping back in the day when I was getting started
mossy zinc
Congratulations!
pseudo sundial
congrats!
shy plinth
Well done 🙂
slender raptor
What should I run for my first 8 heat run? Currently my favorite weapons are the bow, twin fist and spear completed runs with all of them
I wanna get all the way up to 32 and possibly more this game is insanely fun to run and the fact that it can be a quick run is nice
wispy blade
What should I run for my first 8 heat run? Currently my favorite weapons are the...
from pins
forest token
If you want to go higher than 32, leaning fo2 would be worthwhile
forest token
the abbreviations are pinned here
if you scroll down a bit
but if you hover over the pact names in game, it'll describe what they do
slender raptor
gotcha
solemn pulsar
Tooltips? In this economy?
solemn pulsar
Instructions unclear, Amir is stuck at a 45° angle
mossy zinc
Celsius or Fahrenheit?
pseudo kernel
kelvin
winter solar
The only good temperature scale
solemn pulsar
Also inaccurate bc kelvin doesn’t use “degrees”
mossy zinc
Yeah, you don't need a degree to use Kelvin.
ashen garnet
Which kelvins are considered high-heat then ?
mossy zinc
Yes.
modest epoch
Time to do my first 8 Heat run
fallen ether
so do people not use EM 4?
mossy zinc
People definitely do use that pact.
fallen ether
but its not recommended?
mossy zinc
Not until like 50+ Heat.
fallen ether
ok cool
mossy zinc
But if you wanna do EM4 pacts that aren't unreasonably difficult, then you probably wanna go at most up 20 Heat with.
And avoid pacts that directly increase the difficulty of the fight a lot.
And also avoid RI, of course.
So at 20 Heat, you might wanna do something like EM4 BP2 MM TD2.
Generous time limit, and BP2 and MM don't affect the boss fights at all.
solemn pulsar
the 4 in EM4 stands for fun
agree with nyaanyaa though, that EM4 is comfy and fun up to 20 heat, then it gets harder and harder until it eventually becomes neccessary
i like EM4/BP2/MM combo because it's all the "different" stuff heat offers from base runs that aren't just tweaking numbers
I guess UC technically falls into that
gaunt fiber
If you want to keep grinding with EM4, just do it. It will make you better and help you to push the heat. That's how legends like Retrash are born. I think it's worth it. The fight is thrilling
scarlet coyote
how would PL not being tied to hell mode (read: CP1) affect heat strategy do yall think
forest token
Would be taken a lot earlier like at 40
Maybe even 32
PL cf1 instead of cf2 would be pretty big
If you're doing the hl5 fo0 pact
haughty sky
the main concern is getting stunlocked in dad/heroes/a bad ely room which i’m not even sure can happen at fo0
heady bone
what does pl do
haughty sky
assuming fo2 it’d be about 45 or 40 on bad aspects
forest token
what does pl do
the bubble you get when you take a lot of damage really quickly or just get absolutely chunked is gone
easily seen when you soak a giant splitter witch projectile in elysium
heady bone
bruh
forest token
a lot of damage really quickly or you get absolutely chunked
forest token
if you stand in the lasers it'll proc
eating a splitter projectile
multiple drakon projectiles hitting you constantly
getting hit by a lout when you're in tartarus with no extra hp yet on guan yu
and you're using high confidence
getting hit twice by dad if you're under boiling blood probably
or maybe once
mossy zinc
Would be taken a lot earlier like at 40
I'd just put that or TD1 as the very first heat to take in any pact guide.
scarlet coyote
how would 50 change without CP1 though
or when do you start taking CP
with PL for free
does dc1 become new 50 meta
forest token
Doubt it because like
Hestia exists lol
Just depends on aspects
DC on rama and Zeus are pretty free
Also beo non em4 pact takes dc1 already so it'd take cp at 50
scarlet coyote
is cp better than a trade on other stuff like Ap though...
hoary pasture
is cp better than a trade on other stuff like Ap though...
The thing is, in the majority of cases, you don't have a choice, you have to take both, not one or the other.
mossy zinc
PL is just 1 mostly free Heat. It's not gonna be a big difference.
heady bone
PL2 when
mossy zinc
That's not too much of a problem since most of them are already dead.
gaunt fiber
I'm pretty sure they breathe, in memory of their past lives
They sneeze too
at least numbskulls do
forest token
If it was separated from hell mode yeah
But I wouldn't take hell mode at 40 heat if you have a way to toggle it
cursive solstice
what do you mean? isnt PL always on in hell mode?
hoary pasture
what do you mean? isnt PL always on in hell mode?
Yea but so is CP1, which is why you wouldn't use Hell Mode for 40 usually, CP1 is not worth it.
cursive solstice
aww ok i see what you guys mean
forest token
Like if PL was an option on the pact that you can turn on and off, it'd always be taken
cursive solstice
Like if PL was an option on the pact that you can turn on and off, it'd always b...
oh snap i thought it did work that way and that they changed in some patch since i first played - its always been an option in my normal game, im guessing probably the QoL or one of the other mods i have installed
forest token
Yeah probably
haughty sky
pl by itself is kinda like hs in my mind
heady bone
overrated and easy to avoid?
wispy blade
dad pots
forest token
tbf no pl can instantly shaft a run like hs
splitter to the face
or like infinite drakon and/or boneraker stun lock
hs is kinda like an instadeath in styx/dad lmao
wispy blade
or like infinite drakon and/or boneraker stun lock
em3seus
forest token
i dont think i've had the bubble proc on em3 theseus
or at least i didn't notice it
wispy blade
it can when you dont see him coming and you're in the middle and he starts driving
forest token
yeah that's fair
wispy blade
he rams you into the wall at least on 1 dash
my only experience with this was during mirrorless
heady bone
i've had it more on asterius mini lol
wispy blade
asterius hits hard
mossy zinc
Just mash Dash faster so you don't get hit.
sharp jackal
Or, alternatively, just don’t get hit.
heady bone
should have listened to hypnos from the beginning
valid wharf
have you tried getting good
wispy blade
there’s a mod for that i think
heady bone
wow
wispy blade
probably fists
and only fists
maybe delta chamber rail
or rail if you are godlike at ammo management
heady bone
tdash
shy plinth
Mirage shot hunting blades
mossy zinc
It’s called 99 heat or something
Tailesque calls that low heat.
signal geyser
Is their an aspect that will carry you top levels of high heat? Unlocked everything now. And slowly working up the heats
wispy blade
Is their an aspect that will carry you top levels of high heat? Unlocked everyth...
shields, hestia, eris, rama, GY are all great for heat
theres definitely more
but just off the top of my head