h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

You set it to premiere instead of just publishing it lol.

RIP

Quite literally.

[daring osprey]

it was a really easy w too

[wispy blade]

50 heat expeditiously

[daring osprey]

mby if this stays fun that high of a heat

[forest token]

Js and cp levels would probably obliterate your time lol

[daring osprey]

no clue what those are

[forest token]

Pinned here

Jury summons and calisthenics program

[daring osprey]

also almost gave up on this run twice

ok got it actually published

[daring osprey]

it is now published

[daring osprey]

i would rather em4 than js1

not that i have beaten either on boonless mirrorless

[mossy zinc]

I still have boonless mirrorless gamepad WR.

Nice.

[forest token]

How well does 1 dash em4 hestia do lmao

It has been done modded but it doesn't seem fun

[mossy zinc]

It's not a shield.

[daring osprey]

i take it that i didnt break any rules then?

[daring osprey]

ill eventually have to find out

[forest token]

well not really because there's other pacts you can take lol

unless you want to take it all the way

but at some point it will fall off

[daring osprey]

bold of you to assume i will never do a 63 heat run without boons or mirrors

i mean i wont

[mossy zinc]

You seem to be under the illusion that I watch runs to verify them.

[daring osprey]

i value my sanity

[forest token]

60 is the wr and it's modded lol

also

dc

so that's def not gonna happen lmao

[daring osprey]

60 heat is the highest anyone has ever gotten?

[forest token]

for hestia

highest ever done is 64

which is the cap

64 has been done routed and modded

hasn't been done unmodded yet

[daring osprey]

wild

[forest token]

i think unmodded hestia wr is 57? 58? something like that

[mossy zinc]

60 is the modded WR.*

[forest token]

isn't that what i said

[mossy zinc]

No.

[daring osprey]

that seems quite breakable?

[forest token]

what's the difference

[forest token]

modded or unmodded

[daring osprey]

wait if its not you who verifies runs who is it then?

[daring osprey]

wouldnt it be pretty trivial to beat any heat with mods?

just give yourself 90000000000000 damage and hp or something

[forest token]

using speedrun modpack

that should've been more clear my bad lol

generally, when the community refers to a game as being "modded" it's like 95% of the time gonna be the speedrun modpack

all of its features can be toggled on or off and it includes:

• guaranteed 2 sack
• guaranteed first hammer
• first boon offers all 4 core boons
• removes tiny vermin, asterius, and barge of death minibosses
• shows fountain rooms
  there are also a few qol features such as a quick reset feature and the ability to toggle hell mode, as well as a colorblind mode.

[daring osprey]

wait why woudl you remove tiny vermin?

hes so easy to kill

[forest token]

it's just long

the other minibosses are faster

[daring osprey]

he just stands there taking damage

[forest token]

still takes a long time

compared to the other ones

[mossy zinc]

The community self-moderates pretty much. Tailesque or I only look at specific runs when anything is brought up that requires our attention.

[forest token]

keep in mind that the mod was built for speedrunning lol

like the barge miniboss is really easy

it just takes forever

by the time the first enemy spawns in for the barge, you can already be done with any of the other minibosses

assuming you got the meg lineup right

[daring osprey]

it takes like 7 seconds without boons how easy are the other ones?????????

[mossy zinc]

We had players who verified runs on the old leaderboards. We also had cheaters here and there. Exactly 0 attempts of cheating were caught during verification.

[forest token]

def does not take 7 seconds lol

it takes 7 seconds for the first enemy to spawn lmao

also it has like 3 waves

[daring osprey]

the big rock thingy

[forest token]

power couple and witches circle can take like, 10 max

[daring osprey]

the power couple is atleast for me one of the hardest minibosses

they just wont die

[forest token]

it's not easy, but it's fast

[mossy zinc]

Verifying runs is a lot of work with no real benefit tbh.

[forest token]

and in speedrunning, it's assumed that you're skilled enough to clear consistently

[daring osprey]

wait so have you ever caught a cheater?

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[daring osprey]

why would you cheat in this?

and more inportantly how?

[mossy zinc]

Do you want a step-by-step guide for how to cheat?

Lol

[forest token]

i'd assume giving yourself a higher crit chance if you're doing a crit based build, getting more gold laurel rewards than normal

the crit thing has happened before, i forgot who mentioned it

[daring osprey]

i want to understand why somebody would try and cheat in something so inconsequential

[forest token]

more gold laurels was recently discussed in the high heat channel in the speedrunning discord

idk if it actually happened but it was mentioned

[mossy zinc]

I mean it's pretty easy to understand. Idk what to tell you.

[mossy zinc]

That was in the same run.

[forest token]

the crit and laurels?

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

[forest token]

oh lmao

the laurels were mentioned in the high heat channel because someone got sus of another's run

Hey guys, there is one player who we doubt he is cheating, today he cleared unseeded unmodded 62 heat and have his video (in bilibili
Is there anyone who can help us, or is interested in verifying cheating?
I doubted his blue laurel room number but he still consider it as normal (comparing with other 62 videos) and he only plays hades for less than 400 hours yet

[daring osprey]

what are laurels again?

[forest token]

gold laurels are the in-run modifiers

boons, hammers, poms, hearts, that stuff

blue laurels are meta game stuff

darkness, gems, keys

nectar

[daring osprey]

oh

[forest token]

every room reward has a laurel around the actual thing

[mossy zinc]

@daring hedge have you heard anything about the allegations here?

[forest token]

it just happened today lmao

it largely doesnt matter tho because they quit out the run due to accidentally selling zeus special

so it's an invalid run

[daring hedge]

Yeah no this is the first I'm hearing of this lol

[daring osprey]

not really but one for how to install mods would be neat

[mossy zinc]

Hades Modding discord is pinned in #self-promotion.

[mossy zinc]

Is the run on the leaderboard?

[jaunty falcon]

No

[daring osprey]

wait why did they publish the run then?

[forest token]

idk because why not i suppose

it still shows the skill to clear i'd assume

although at the same time, it's sus that their blue to gold laurel ratio is screwed up lmao

so idk it's just whatever

it's an invalid run to begin with, and it's not our problem lol

if it was a 64 clear that had cheating allegations then it's more of an "issue" but it frankly doesnt matter

[mossy zinc]

It's not the 62 Heat run that was submitted the other week? Is it the same player?

[forest token]

https://b23.tv/p95cLgE

this is the link of the video, you can check that with the submission

[shy plinth]

I don't know the specifics and it could be an honest mistake, but an invalid run being submitted combined with wacky ratios makes me feel like all possible boundaries are being pretty aggressively explored

[mossy zinc]

We take all allegations of cheating seriously, naturally.

[forest token]

i didn't watch the video yet, but it was said that it was a no blue laurel elysium lmao

so like it isn't like a "hm this seems like too many boons" i guess it was more like "bruh where are the blue laurels"

[mossy zinc]

No blue laurels without Dark Foresight is certainly a bit odd.

[hoary pasture]

It is not

[mossy zinc]

Different run and different player?

[hoary pasture]

Yep

[mossy zinc]

Alright then. Will keep a closer look if they submit any run in the future.

Thanks for the clarifications.

[wispy blade]

do you think boonless would be feasible if shackle didn't exist

[mossy zinc]

Well, we were doing boonless in early access when Shackle was still doing trap damage instead of what it does now lol.

[wispy blade]

probably could only take td1 lmao

[wispy blade]

sounds fun

what numbers could you get with that and stygian shard

[mossy zinc]

I think that's before we knew that bonus trap damage was multiplicative lol.

And the bonus on it was pretty low.

[wispy blade]

distant memory

wild how that's the best keepsake

[pseudo kernel]

it is

[winged cedar]

I called 62 last week.

[mossy zinc]

All good! Great run!

[daring osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1072149996218110035/1076915911665127464/image.png should i add cal1 or js1 next? (boonless mirrorless ftw)

[jaunty falcon]

Js

[forest token]

Cp1 is a lot more impactful than js1

[quartz mantle]

My typical progression with JS and CP is
JS0 CP0
JS1 CP0
JS2 CP0
JS2 CP1
JS3 CP1
JS3 CP2

Tho I would add FO personally

[daring osprey]

i tried fo but it makes the hades fight almost inpossible since the speed doesnt give me a safe distance to shoot him

[quartz mantle]

I mean

Yea

You gotta dodge the attacks every now and then lol

[daring osprey]

ye ik but without the second dash i have to spend most of the time dodgning and only deal damage after he misses an attack

[daring osprey]

js is causing me emotional damage:(

[wispy blade]

js1???

[daring osprey]

ye

many enemy make me unhappy

[wispy blade]

it's not that bad

[forest token]

bp2 js1 can suck tbf

[wispy blade]

what pact are you taking

[forest token]

.

[wispy blade]

oh

wow

surprised you hadn't taken js1 earlier

[daring osprey]

trying to get 39 rn

[forest token]

there's not much else to take other than lc2 at this point lmao

[wispy blade]

hell mode

but yeah i took js1 at 33 and i cant remember it being that bad

bad bp combos are bad bp combos with or without js1

[forest token]

that's also true

it just makes you reset the run faster if anything lmao

[daring osprey]

its the same as fo in my opinion

[wispy blade]

whaat

man fo1 sucks

[daring osprey]

it doesnt feel any worse but my winrate plummets as soon as i enable it

had like 20 armored hydra heads spawn with a default damage of 28 so that was fun

[wispy blade]

what

[forest token]

i mean js0 would've been like idk 16 or so? that's still not great lol

[wispy blade]

wait like

the heads from lernie??

[forest token]

armored drakons

pops out of the ground

[wispy blade]

oh

[daring osprey]

yeh but the smaller ones

[wispy blade]

you one hit those

or two hit

with armor

idk bruiser

[forest token]

unless you wanna take lc2, then js1 is basically your only other choice

[wispy blade]

lc2 sucks

[daring osprey]

thats why i never registered them as a threat before

[wispy blade]

it feels like lc3.75

[forest token]

cp1 would make boss fights a lot longer

[wispy blade]

you literally never get health

[forest token]

yeah i figured lmao

[wispy blade]

i'd rather hell mode

my 32 pact used to take lc2 lmfao

[forest token]

isn't that adding js1 and cp1 lmao

[wispy blade]

yeah

that's better than lc2

[forest token]

well i can't judge lmao

[wispy blade]

also i think this channel should have cursing allowed for each person but once they say their first curse they are only allowed to curse for 45 more seconds

in order to truly express the emotions felt at times

[daring osprey]

asterius

[wispy blade]

nyaanyaa didnt take em3 at 36 lmfao

[daring osprey]

tbh em3 isnt that bad its a lot easier than some of the other heats i have

[wispy blade]

em3 can be utterly awful

so many runs you get a bad bp2 at like c32 and no healing

[daring osprey]

for me its abt 80/20 of me either rolling them within 2 minutes and taking 3 damage or them 1shotting me right at the beginning

also why does theseus have rockets that deal 100 DAMAGE

[wispy blade]

https://youtu.be/VNunvdJqUbQ?t=1440 timestamped

that killed me so so so many times

literally stunlocks you and chunks 100

[daring osprey]

ricochet fire is my fav boon in the entire game

[forest token]

fun stuff lmao

i have a clip of me trying to pick up my casts at the very edge of the bomb and i got slapped for 105 instakilling me

[daring osprey]

at this point my runs are getting close to hitless since almost all damage is lethal

[daring osprey]

should prolly put "current wr" in my videos title huh

[forest token]

could just put [World Record] instead of "current" lol

but something like that would work

[daring osprey]

i intend to surpass it

[forest token]

well then you just edit the title and delete it after the next video is up lol

[daring osprey]

i will get to 41 eventually

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1076955107431825568/image.png

moment before disaster

[daring osprey]

or then i will remember that i have exams coming up and uninstall hades so i cant spend any more of my time on these runs

[forest token]

lmao just dont study for the exams duh

[daring osprey]

they will literally determine my future

[wispy blade]

what exams are they

[daring osprey]

but on the other hand hehe funni number go up

matriculation exams (end of highschool) i apply to uni based on the results

[wispy blade]

free

[daring osprey]

i wish

i picked some of the hardest subjects bc i hate myself apparently

[wispy blade]

what subjects

[daring osprey]

chemistry and finnish(which i suck at)

[wispy blade]

why did u not take math

[daring osprey]

already passed that

got the highest possible grade

an L

[wispy blade]

what

[daring osprey]

Laudatur is the highest grade in the finnish system

[wispy blade]

do you not use percents

also that's weird

it's uralic isn't it

that seems like a latin root

oh

it is a latin root

as in verbatim from latin

[daring osprey]

i think its latin it equates to top5%

[wispy blade]

oh because it's academic

what math was it

[daring osprey]

advanced math ofc

[wispy blade]

what

[daring osprey]

there is short math and long math but those names dont really convey exactly what they mean

[wispy blade]

like

calc

number theory

[daring osprey]

ye

[wispy blade]

well like which

[daring osprey]

i dont remember it was taught in finnish

[wispy blade]

what sort of stuff did you do

mostly, math is math

you can write integral of e^-x^2 and everyone knows what you mean

[daring osprey]

derivatives integrals

[wispy blade]

did you do sums

differential equations

[daring osprey]

oh ye

both

[wispy blade]

so at least like calc 2

multivariable?

[daring osprey]

yep

also numbertheory and proofs

[wispy blade]

real/complex analysis

linalg?

[daring osprey]

limited complex analysis

not a lot of it

[wispy blade]

how many years was this across

[daring osprey]

3 give or take

closer to 2.5 tbh but thats bc our school focused a lot on the subject

[jaunty falcon]

hades high heat helping me with calc wtf

[ashen garnet]

idk man calc super important to count heat number

[shy plinth]

An integral part of the process

[hoary pasture]

[warped trout]

Math is hard

Until I learn it

[distant pelican]

further mathematics is free heat once you get used to it

[daring osprey]

almost beat 40 heat;(

[wispy blade]

you're gonna be pushing 50 at this rate soon lmfao

probably should get used to fo

[daring osprey]

i promised myself that id quit after 41 atleast for the time being

uninstall the game and focus on whats inportant

[wispy blade]

try zagshield with cshot sudden rush

or just sudden rush in general

might even give capabilities for fo2

if you lower td

[daring osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1072149996218110035/1077317821295509544/image.png?width=1151&height=587 Pain

so much pain

[mossy zinc]

Have you tried not just standing there when he swings?

[daring osprey]

i tried that and it worked

the new wr is 40 heat

also tried not entering the fight with 100 hp which helped a lot too

[mossy zinc]

Nice! Congratulations!

It only took a couple years for people to finally be interested in the category, but m glad somebody's pushing it.

[daring osprey]

i wish it was more popular but at the same time i hate competing with people so im glad its not

[severe wedge]

i keep losing to EM4 it's driving me insane

[nocturne stag]

Which category is this?

[pure wave]

Boonless mirrorless?

I'm guessing

[forest token]

tomato is doing boonless mirrorless yeah lmao

[daring osprey]

Boonless mirrorless

Its the only way i can play hades anymore

[forest token]

why "can" lmao

[pure wave]

Too easy otherwise?

[forest token]

i mean he's almost there to wr boonless and mirrorless

[daring osprey]

Ye

Also too many variables

[pure wave]

Fair

Is it just mechanical skill?

[daring osprey]

Mostly

[pure wave]

Sheesh

[daring osprey]

But you also need to know what boons to take and which ones to sell

[pure wave]

Always Hestia?

[daring osprey]

Always

[pure wave]

I take it it's just preserve attack as much as possible

[daring osprey]

Then special

[pure wave]

Yeah seems about right

[forest token]

"i hate having too many options so i dont want any of them" is an incredibly based take ngl

[pure wave]

Modded or unmodded?

[forest token]

unmodded

[daring osprey]

Unmodded

[pure wave]

Nice

Respect

[daring osprey]

Idk how mods work and am unwilling to learn

[pure wave]

I assume you get rolled on hammers a lot

[forest token]

you just download them and hit the right button lmao

the speedrun modpack has really good ui

[daring osprey]

There are 3 hammers that you need atleast 1 of imo

Ricochet hazard and targeting system

[pure wave]

Oh interesting

2 special hammers

[forest token]

wouldn't piercing also work

[daring osprey]

Ye but its less good

[forest token]

fair

couldn't that argument be made with targeting vs hazard tho

[pure wave]

When I finish my bounties I'll try boonless

But low heat

[daring osprey]

Best of luck

[pure wave]

It'll be a while haha, only gotten bow and rail done so far

[daring osprey]

I started doing these runs before i even knew that it was even a category

[pure wave]

Lmao

As soon as you saw the shackle you knew what you wanted to do?

[daring osprey]

Yep

[pure wave]

Lol

[daring osprey]

Figured id take arthur to the extreme

Then i found hestia and never looked back

[pure wave]

Lmfao

[forest token]

didn't we tell you to use hestia lol

[daring osprey]

You did

[forest token]

yeah idk how far you'd get with arthur

def not this far i wouldn't think

[daring osprey]

The final boss 2nd phase

[pure wave]

Which heat?

[daring osprey]

I think just base aka 8

[pure wave]

Ah fair

[daring osprey]

Kinda but they serve different purposes

Hazard is for bombing hades during his big beam attack where as targeting is better for kiting him

But both pale in comparison to ricochet which is the absolute best hammer you can get

[forest token]

oh i see

[daring osprey]

The fact that you can shoot around walls with it makes it real handy for the champions and the hades fights

[forest token]

oh right it does that

yeah that makes a lot of sense

[daring osprey]

Same with the styx minibosses

It can also just shoot through walls sometimes which is always fun

[daring osprey]

Actually this was before i figured out the heat system so i think i had just manually removed all the mirror of night upgrades

[ashen garnet]

And another cat/challenge run to my backlog No ✊ runs so far ?

[mossy zinc]

QB Smash did 32 Heat boonless mirrorless with all 6 weapons.

Gilgamesh for Malphon.

[ashen garnet]

Gilga kinda natural rare greatest reflex with a twist, but noted

[daring osprey]

@mossy zinc do you happen to know how the styx rooms are decided?

[mossy zinc]

What do you mean?

Every tunnel has 4-5 chambers.

[daring osprey]

as in what items/pre-existing boons have an impact on the rewards offered

[mossy zinc]

Same as anywhere else, there's just 5 exits instead of 1-3.

[daring osprey]

bc from my experience having a pommable boon when entering styx almost guarantees a pom as one of the rewards where as having no pommable boons seems to guarantee 3 gods(yuck)

[mossy zinc]

Pommable or not isn't relevant, but you need to have at least 1 boon in order to be able to be offered a pom.

That's the same anywhere else.

If you already picked up second hammer and you don't have a boon, then the only eligible options are Obols, Centaur Hearts, and boons.

And you can't see two of the same.

Hence why you're guaranteed to get Obols, Centaur Heart, and 3 boons when you have no boons.

[daring osprey]

thats good to know since it means i can spend my rolls on the wells instead of reserving it on the off chanse i have to pick a god

[mossy zinc]

"Consumable" boons that can't be purged probably don't count.

[daring osprey]

are there any unpurgable boons that wouldnt severely handicap a boonless run?

bc i cant really think of any

[mossy zinc]

Some Chaos boons, I guess.

Premium Vintage somewhere near the end of Elysium if you don't pick up the Nectar he drops.

[solemn pulsar]

THE BAG

[mossy zinc]

@daring osprey can give all of cgull's messages here a read if you want to understand things more in-depth: #h1-high-heat-strategies message

[solemn pulsar]

but for the boonless case nyaanyaa's analysis is accurate

though technically you could maybe get 3 boons, hermes and 1 non boon

or a hammer if you were particularly unlucky prior

[mossy zinc]

Oh yeah, I meant to say "at best".

[solemn pulsar]

it's hard enough to get 2nd hammer/hermes to show up in styx even when you want them to of course

[solemn pulsar]

resident heat master Ya-GG ran 50 heat unmodded/unseeded in ESA (European Speedrunner Assembly) Winter today!

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1745798043

Took a few tries but came in under estimate! Great run

[mossy zinc]

"Fairly easy enemies, as you can see."

They can see Ya-GG making it look easy, yeah.

[solemn pulsar]

at one point

chatter: why tidal dash start instead of aphrodite attack

yagg: walks into armored numbskull + skullomat room

[mossy zinc]

lmao

[wispy blade]

new chalelnger

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771815559410876446/1078040011993251840/image.png

[forest token]

What in the talos

[wispy blade]

talos best aspect confirmed

wait

anvil?

[ashen garnet]

[mossy zinc]

Gonna recommend that pact to the next person who asks for help with 32 Heat.

[shy plinth]

https://tenor.com/vVtW.gif

[mossy zinc]

I see you need help with 32 Heat. Try this pact: https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1078040011993251840/image.png

[daring osprey]

out of all the weapons i did not expect the fists to make an appeareance here

[forest token]

@daring osprey shield block is just good
bull rush can act as a pseudo 2nd dash
doesn't care about dc2 because the disk strips it

has good aoe because thunder flourish on zeus shield is strong

it's also not too boon dependent, you really only need the special boon and jolted/double strike

[daring osprey]

so what im hearing is that in order to see my vision of a 63 heat boonless mirrorless run come true i have to abandon hestia for zeus?

[wispy blade]

hestia dc2 moment

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/771815559410876446/1016875658296688680/unknown.png

[forest token]

that's just bad eris lmao

[wispy blade]

it is

[forest token]

yeah i guess

[daring osprey]

hazard bomb my beloved

[forest token]

the leaderboard has no chaos boons tho right

[wispy blade]

yeah

[forest token]

yeah idk if you can go that high with boonless

you just lack a lot of damage with only shackle

[wispy blade]

i imagine you could feasibly do an extremely silly td0 run

[forest token]

wouldn't be 63 tho

[wispy blade]

yeah

[forest token]

also 64 is max heat lol

[wispy blade]

would be like

58?

they arent on modded

no hell mode

[forest token]

i mean yeah but if you want highest possible heat it'd be 64

[daring osprey]

i have been pondering shield cheese as an option for a while but it seems too unfun for me to try(not that i can even do boonless mirrorless anymore)

[forest token]

if you get cshot on zag shield, i recon it can go pretty far on boonless mirrorless

[wispy blade]

i tried that once

but i was timing out

[forest token]

well dont do that

then it should work

[wispy blade]

ok

[daring osprey]

just camp in a corner for every fight while spamming cshot till everyone is dead

[wispy blade]

chaos 61

[left prism]

...doesnt it have that already on modded

[wispy blade]

what

yeah

thats what i mean

[cursive portal]

chaos has 62

[daring osprey]

as in the god?

[wispy blade]

oh

[cursive portal]

I meant as in the shield

the aspect

[wispy blade]

best shield aspect

[daring osprey]

somebody has beaten 62 heat with the aspect of chaos?

[left prism]

Angel

[daring osprey]

and is that a person or another aspect i should be familiar with at this point?

[left prism]

[severe wedge]

how tf u avoid em4 at 56 heat goddamn

[forest token]

just take everything else lmao

[left prism]

cuz em4 hard

[severe wedge]

yeah but for cp2 and ri3?

[forest token]

it's ri2

[severe wedge]

-6 is ri3 aint it

[forest token]

no

each ri removes 3 perks

[severe wedge]

oh nvm that's -9 i forgot

[wispy blade]

does pos special screw with clockets

[forest token]

no if you one shot them

[wispy blade]

so one won't push them away and make the others miss?

i think i probably still wont take it

[forest token]

i think you just generally avoid it

until you get to styx

once you're in styx, then it's fine to take

the rooms are small enough that the knockback won't really hinder you

unless it's a miniboss i guess, but you should get the boon after the miniboss anyways

and i'm assuming you're playing modded so should be fine

[severe wedge]

what's better for 50 heat, achilles or guan yu?

[hoary pasture]

Part of it is preference and experience. I would take Guan Yu.

I find it overall safer and easier to play.

[severe wedge]

i find js3 dc2 hl5 a really annoying combo on guan yu though tbh

[wispy blade]

js3 50?

[forest token]

dont take dc2 on guan yu

treat guan yu like hestia

[forest token]

that's kinda expected lol

[wispy blade]

i took js2

why js3

[forest token]

js3 at 50 is fine

it depends on what other pacts are left tbh

and at 50 there aren't much left that'll help you

[wispy blade]

what's left off for it though

[forest token]

idk

[wispy blade]

hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp1 mm uc fo2 hs ri1 ap2 td3 pl

maybe ri2 ap1 would be 1 less heat

[shy plinth]

CP1 has to be worse than JS3?

[forest token]

cp1 is req for hell mode

[shy plinth]

oh right

I'm dumb

[severe wedge]

bc i dont feel like i can beat em4 w achilles or guan yu tbh

[wispy blade]

you dont need em4

[severe wedge]

i dont have personal liability bc when i started this game i didnt feel like choosing hell mode, now i kinda wish i had

[wispy blade]

toggle on

[forest token]

not everyone uses mods

[wispy blade]

urghhh

no clockets so sad

did i actually just have a minute long room

[severe wedge]

i feel u dude, sometimes w js3 if u get a room full of unarmoreds it takes forever

or if theyre armored with the extra wide health bar and a ton of clones everywhere

[mossy zinc]

Achilles Crystal Clarity. Might take a few resets to get the build you want, but not much different from resetting for Charged Skewer.

[severe wedge]

Then Im gonna have to take EM4 though 😭 but if that's the optimal build I'll go for that ig

[wispy blade]

just get the flurry slash

also why em4

probably like

wait

with dc2 you could

what

hl5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 ri2 ap1 dc2 td3

[mossy zinc]

Optimal by what standard? Crystal Clarity is a very safe build. Won't get you 50 Heat speedrun WR for it.

DC2 is an option, yeah.

[severe wedge]

oh yeah i avoid ri like the plague, i should get used to ri2 tbh

[severe wedge]

Crystal Clarity's great, I thought u mentioned it bc it's what most people go for on high heat w Achilles

[wispy blade]

i cant imagine not taking at least ri1 at 50

[severe wedge]

When I did 40 heat on it I think I just used Flurry Jab and Zeus attack

[wispy blade]

thats like the speed

safer builds are hunting blades or crystal clarity

or some other cast thing

[mossy zinc]

I tell you what I think is the easiest clear, not what most people do.

[forest token]

i think the 60 (modded?) achilles started lightning strike

[wispy blade]

whats achilles record anyways

it could deal with single dash right

[severe wedge]

Yeah I didnt, on my singular 50 heat clear I went hl5 lc4 cf2 js3 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc hs fo2 ri0 ap2 dc2 td3

[wispy blade]

like shield

jesse christ

js3

[mossy zinc]

Zeus, Rama, Beowulf, and Zag Shield are the only aspects that have cleared 60+ unmodded.

[forest token]

i would think 60 (i still dont know if it's modded lol)

[severe wedge]

no it was eris

[wispy blade]

cant it deal with dc2 and ri3

[forest token]

this was recent, like maybe last week so i dont remember lol

it's prob modded, but i need to check

[wispy blade]

no, i meant that achilles might deal with single dash because raging rush

achilles has 60 modded

[forest token]

yeah it was modded then

[wispy blade]

huh

ri2

what's so bad about ri3 on achilles

[severe wedge]

oh i thought when u said "like shield" u were asking what i used mb

[forest token]

maybe less casts so less flexible build?

[mossy zinc]

Single dash Achilles sounds like a special kind of torture.

[wispy blade]

signet start

[wispy blade]

is rush not good enough?

i did achilles 32 once and havent touched it since

[forest token]

oh dps rotation is dstrike 2x -> special -> repeat

[wispy blade]

oh right

[forest token]

i guess screwing that whole rotation up would suck

[mossy zinc]

That's one problem, yeah.

Also try getting into safe spots to throw your Special when you only have 1 dash.

It also doesn't make up for the loss of i-frames.

[wispy blade]

just get smair

[forest token]

True

Just get the boons

[wispy blade]

it's that simple

i think we might have unlocked the secret to 64 heat unmodded unseeded

just get the boons

[mossy zinc]

You can use Special sometimes to get out of an Attack AOE, but that's not on reaction the way you use empty dashes.

[wispy blade]

does the rush have indefinite range

eh thats a waste anyways

[severe wedge]

the only 64 heats so far have been modded and seeded right?

[forest token]

Yeah

[wispy blade]

believe so

[mossy zinc]

Isn't it Tempest Flourish + Sea Storm? I read on an unnamed online forum recently that it's super strong.

[forest token]

There was an unmodded 63 that never procced PL tho lol

[severe wedge]

i saw the baj zeus run and it was like he was getting room skips and ideal boons in every single chamber almost

[wispy blade]

do you mean quick favor with artemis's call?

[forest token]

The first 64 modded skipped 2 midshops and took a trial lol

[severe wedge]

that's insane

was it at oeast like an athena/poseidon/dio trial though

[forest token]

I don't remember what skips they got tho

[forest token]

Might've been Athena Zeus

[mossy zinc]

That's what routed runs are yeah.

[severe wedge]

yeah makes sense then

[forest token]

I don't remember the gods tbh

[severe wedge]

prob built toward splitting bolt or got static discharge from that then

[wispy blade]

poseidon and zeus ofc

[severe wedge]

can u get an athena defiance if u have no dd

[wispy blade]

yes

[forest token]

Nah epic jolted was in tart

[wispy blade]

thats why u reset before picking up athena

[forest token]

Also eury upgraded flourish and jolted to heroic

[mossy zinc]

Trials have a lot of value in high heat while shop value drops a lot.

[severe wedge]

does it give u a dd or just does nothing

[forest token]

I mean yeah but it becomes a time issue at that point

[wispy blade]

gives you a dd

why would you reset beforehand if it didnt lmfao

[forest token]

If you don't have SD or DD then I don't think you can be offered that

[wispy blade]

oh

[forest token]

Like ri4

[wispy blade]

yeah ri4 it won't offer

from experience

[mossy zinc]

No because you can reset for pace.

[forest token]

I mean yeah but also losing heroic jolted feels bad

If they had that before that option

I don't remember

Although losing epic jolted feels bad still

I would think anyways

[mossy zinc]

Reset for pace and go for the most value you can get during the run to be best prepared for EM4.

Zeus usually shouldn't have too many issues with pace anyway if you got a halfway decent start in terms of boons.

[severe wedge]

wait wdym reset beforehand

[wispy blade]

reset your sd

[shy plinth]

max have you done 50 heat without knowing about athena dds on stubborn

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[shy plinth]

That would make those runs even more impressive and would explain why you push back on LC4+SD at 32

[severe wedge]

what no lmao i was asking can u get athena defiance offered if u have the ri that takes away ur dd

[shy plinth]

Oh that makes more sense

[severe wedge]

and then get a dd from that

[wispy blade]

oh

no

[shy plinth]

And yeah I assume Deathless+Last stand don't get offered at RI4

[wispy blade]

you don't get patty option either

shockingly

[forest token]

You still want to see Athena for her dash or call tho lol

Just no DD cheese unfortunately

[mossy zinc]

Imagine having -1 karma for telling newbies the simple solution to not open up Duo Boons they don't want if they keep being offered Duo Boons they don't want, while "but Divine Dash though" has +38 lol.

[wispy blade]

me @ parting shot

[severe wedge]

oh lc4's fine i just mostly push back on hl5 at 32

[wispy blade]

hl5 fo2 td3 32 best 32

[mossy zinc]

Truly an unnamed online Hades forum moment of all time.

[forest token]

Speedrun pact moment

[wispy blade]

wouldnt lc4 hl1 work for speedrun

[severe wedge]

I saw someone said that Guan Yu was one of the safest aspects that isn't a shield or hestia and got downvoted to like -40 or some shut

[forest token]

Yeah

Well

[wispy blade]

but lc4 stinks

[forest token]

You take hl5 because of other pacts

Like mm, UC, em3, or bp2

Something like that

[wispy blade]

just dont get hit :)

[forest token]

It's a speedrun you're supposed to be good at the game already lol

[mossy zinc]

You don't get to make fun of that immediately after saying this.

oh lc4's fine i just mostly push back on hl5 at 32

[forest token]

Tmw guan Yu is used for hitless

[severe wedge]

i hate hl5 but at some point i just have to cope take it to avoid ap, ri, cp, and js

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[severe wedge]

im not making fun of that, guan yu is safe

[severe wedge]

and nah i stand by that hl5 at 32 is ass

[wispy blade]

i think next months challenge run should be "do the first 32 pact you thought of"

[wispy blade]

why

if you're using a not stinky aspect it's free

(hestia)

[mossy zinc]

Some people stand by the Earth being flat, too.

[severe wedge]

bc it's unnecessary, hl1 or 2 is the most u rlly need at 32, 32's too low of heat to need hl5

[shy plinth]

You can choose between HL and FO

You usually need one of those unless you wanna take a worse pact

And then at that point it's just harder than taking one of those

[mossy zinc]

Indeed. And HL5 is the overall more successful choice.

[shy plinth]

Ye

[mossy zinc]

No matter how much some want to believe otherwise with no evidence to back it up.

[wispy blade]

wait what

32 no fo?

[left prism]

more dmg wont matter if they are too slow to hit you

[shy plinth]

The most reliable 32 pact is HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3

[severe wedge]

32 heat is too free in general to even bother using hl5 on it

[wispy blade]

but isn't fo0 slower

[shy plinth]

Has been for years

[severe wedge]

i did 32 on every aspect and p sure i didnt take hl5 on a single one

[wispy blade]

oh this is just general 32

[shy plinth]

Yes

Not mirrorless boonless

[wispy blade]

i thought it was speedurn 32

[shy plinth]

That's a diff ballgame

[wispy blade]

lmfao what

[shy plinth]

If you're speedrunning 32 then yeah you need fo

[wispy blade]

i ceased those silly activities a while ago

[shy plinth]

I can't keep track of who's doing what these days lol

[wispy blade]

now i get to have fun resetting 29 of every 30 runs

[severe wedge]

why would u ever take hl5 over fo2 lmao what

[wispy blade]

because it's like

[severe wedge]

fo2 makes almost no difference from fo0

[wispy blade]

easier?

LMAO

[shy plinth]

Yes

[severe wedge]

it's not easier at all fym

w/ hl0 u take no damage

[wispy blade]

you did not just say fo2 is inconsequential

[severe wedge]

It is

[wispy blade]

wow

[shy plinth]

That is incorrect

[wispy blade]

have you ever played like

the game?

like

idk how that could even be a possible opinion

[shy plinth]

It's extremely difficult heat

[wispy blade]

it's extremely noticeable

[severe wedge]

On some 32 heat runs I lost like less than half my hp across the entire run and took 0 SDs bc it was hl0

[shy plinth]

Your experience is not universal

[severe wedge]

Hestia in particular I don't think I even went below half hp past tartarus

[shy plinth]

The first time that particular pact was recommended by Nyaanyaa was February 2021

Literally years

[wispy blade]

that's because it's hestia

[severe wedge]

until Hades fight

[wispy blade]

hestia is not representative of how most 32s go

[severe wedge]

if i had hl5 fo0 i def wouodve taken SDs a bunch

I never use Hestia I only used it then to complete 32x24, it was one of the last 3 or 4 aspects I did

[wispy blade]

it's actually difficult to get hit with hl5 fo0 2 dashes

[shy plinth]

When's the last time you did an HL5 FO0 run

[wispy blade]

me?

[shy plinth]

No

Max

[severe wedge]

that's bc ur just good at the game, i am not. i get hit a bunch so taking barely any damage is amazing for me

[shy plinth]

You have done a 50 after playing the game for like 4 months

[wispy blade]

i'm not good at the game lmfao

[shy plinth]

Max your experience is such a ridiculous outlier lol

You never listen when I tell you this

You are an extreme skill outlier

[severe wedge]

most ppl who ask/take advice on 32 heat are way way way worse than u

[shy plinth]

And I would bet you have not done an FO0 run in a very long time

[wispy blade]

well yeah because most people who ask for advice on 32 are less experienced than i am

[severe wedge]

also did u not j post a 56 hwat hestia dc2 clear earlier lmfao how can u say ur not good

[wispy blade]

i've literally had the game for less than 2 months

[wispy blade]

that wasnt mine lmfao

that's someone off the modded leaderboards' victory screen only section

which i checked once and the note says "lightning strike hestia best hestia" or something so you know i clicked it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1028112977100017666/1078179947304210492/image.png

[haughty sky]

amb got to heroes on 62 lightning hestia iirc

[severe wedge]

and u already beat 50 heat? 😭 it took me like 5-6 months and nearly 400 hrs to beat 50 once

[forest token]

has 50 heat clear and multiple 40 heat clears
"I'm not good at the game"

[wispy blade]

it's hestia

not that hard

[haughty sky]

rama gang

[wispy blade]

hestia trivialises everything

[forest token]

Because you're probably accustomed to fo2

[mossy zinc]

You have absolutely zero experience coaching people in high heat. At this point you're just being willfully obtuse ngl.

I don't know how to make this any clearer for you: we recommend HL5 FO0 to players doing their first 32 because it gets results.

Not some cool hypothesis or thought experiment or "it worked for me" like you are doing.

Actual real life results when coaching actual players.

[forest token]

The only time I'd ever consider telling someone to use fo2 at 32 heat is if they're already used to fo2

[wispy blade]

wdym? you're telling me hl5 fo2 td2 isn't the best 32 pact?

[forest token]

Budget 40 pact be like

[wispy blade]

i took td2 and got a td3 time lmfao

[forest token]

Matty took like em2 js and cp and ended up with like a 19 minutes time or something lol

[wispy blade]

it's weird how much better you can get at the game

[mossy zinc]

I got downvoted for pointing out to somebody who did 40 in 18:something with TD2 that they could have done 43 Heat with TD3 lol.

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[forest token]

Sounds about right

[severe wedge]

my 50 clear was lucky, i got rd in styx and ive only done it once which indicates it was a fluke. and for most ppl who have 400 hrs in the game 40 heat's easy

[left prism]

you can get easily those hrs without touching heat that high

[wispy blade]

hr?

oh

hour

lmao

[haughty sky]

innocent player: hey guys i beat 40 heat :)
nyaanya, steam coming out of her ears: well acshually

[severe wedge]

they couodve had more than 5 mins in tart though

[wispy blade]

5 min tart??

[mossy zinc]

You know that you don't die right away, right?

[wispy blade]

my perception of time is warped

[severe wedge]

depends on the pact, w js3 on some aspects u could get a 5+ min tart

[wispy blade]

(in hades)

ok but why 40 heat js3

[forest token]

hey a clear's a clear, it literally doesnt matter

[severe wedge]

yeah but ydk how close their em1 fight was tbf

[haughty sky]

js0 with bad aspects you can time out

[forest token]

also yeah in 400 hours, some dont even bother with high heat after 32

[severe wedge]

eh idk w most aspects that's kinda hard to do

[wispy blade]

ive only timed out in tart once i think when i was trying to do plume zagsword 32

[mossy zinc]

They did do JS3, all the more reason that run was a lot more like 43+ than 40.

[wispy blade]

and i did not Get The Boons

[mossy zinc]

JS3 at 40 is some self-sabotage.

[wispy blade]

do you even take js1

let me see

[forest token]

i think i did time out in tart with zeus at 50 lmao

i just had a big enough hp pool to go like 10 sec over

[wispy blade]

lmfao no

[severe wedge]

maybe arthur and hades but most others are quick enough to consistently get at least like ~3-5 min tart w/o fountain or sisyphus

on js0

[wispy blade]

i timed out in dadfight on my first 40 but i still won

[wispy blade]

the gilgamesh in question:

[severe wedge]

yeah my problem in my 50 attempts w zeus was that i kept timing out in ely or against hades

[wispy blade]

what kind of pact even takes js3 at 40

oh td2

[severe wedge]

my last try i almost timed out in aspho so i was like nahhhh im switching to eris

[forest token]

i mean zeus dps falls off a bit in ely if you dont have static discharge or double strike

[mossy zinc]

Wdym? Gilgamesh has +25% damage on Maimed foes. How could it be slow? And you even get extra dashes.

[wispy blade]

I mean like, try a dash only run for crying out loud

[severe wedge]

gilgamesh is fairly fast unless u mainly rely on maim

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[forest token]

doesn't gilga have the slowest speedrun time

[wispy blade]

i know it's not sub6 yet

[mossy zinc]

Gilgamesh
fast
Choose one.

[wispy blade]

it has some dedicated players though

[forest token]

1 dedicated player

unless more picked up

[wispy blade]

at least 2

[forest token]

lmfao

[wispy blade]

there's that one guy

[forest token]

how specific

[wispy blade]

and the other guy who asked that one guy for advice

#819263278839890030 message

idk if that counts as dedicated though cause its 723

[forest token]

oh lmao

[forest token]

hey cut her some slack, gilga is rough

[wispy blade]

oh yeah

i forgot what aspect it was

[forest token]

a 7:23 gilga might as well be a sub2 tbh

[wispy blade]

thats likr sub6 probably lmfao

[forest token]

oh chiron's the slowest with a 6:13, gilga has a 6:11

[mossy zinc]

I remember when Gilgamesh came out and I did test runs with various builds on JS3 EM2 CP2 FO2 DC2 TD2 (TD was different back then) and wrote a long list of complaints about how weak it was because most didn't make it out of Tartarus.

That was my practice pact that I was clearing regularly on all the other Malphon aspects.

Basically the only two attack builds that somewhat regularly made it out were ME and Heartbreak Strike lol.

[wispy blade]

oh yeah

it used to not go up between regions right

[severe wedge]

chiron and gilga are slower than arthur?

wtf

[forest token]

yeah

[wispy blade]

lmfao yeah?

[forest token]

to be fair

i didn't watch the runs

[shy plinth]

Way slower

[forest token]

so idk if it could've been good/bad rng

[wispy blade]

arthur is like

[mossy zinc]

It didn't carry over, yeah.

[forest token]

but arthur does have a 1 shot capability in a large swing

[shy plinth]

Arthur big dam

[wispy blade]

chiron is like arthur if it did 50 damage each hit instead of like 200

probably

[severe wedge]

except the hits themselves are like twice as slow

[forest token]

arthur has a 6:03 lol

[wispy blade]

have you played chiron

[shy plinth]

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/888912786

[forest token]

btw these are all modded times

[wispy blade]

the special is painful

[severe wedge]

I mean the most Ive done on chiron is 32 heat I go exclusively rama beyond that

[forest token]

oh deadly strike and marked makes a lot of sense lol

anyways yeah the issue with chiron for time is that the special animation is just long to be able to deal out damage to a single target

ofc you could play it like bad zag bow

but also bad zag bow lol

even tho arthur has a build up swing, the fact that it can one shot enemies and does aoe does a lot for it

[mossy zinc]

AngeL1C told me she likes Shadow Presence better for Chiron high heat, but Tartarus is soooo slow with that.

[severe wedge]

i feel like top speedrun times are a different beast altogether from general speed on like 40+ heat runs

[forest token]

granted it's like a ~10 sec difference or so but yeah

[forest token]

fair, lemme check if chiron has a 57 clear

[severe wedge]

a weapon having a 10 second faster speedrun time doesnt mean it's gonna actually be easier to beat js3 dc2 td3 with

[shy plinth]

Arthur doesn't lose to those

Arthur loses to DC

[severe wedge]

hera's max is like 55 isnt it?

[forest token]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

Enjoy JS3 on Chiron lol.

[forest token]

oh hera is 57

chiron also 57

both of those are modded

arthur has unmodded 57

[severe wedge]

so does that mean every aspect has 57+

[wispy blade]

why

[forest token]

no

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[mossy zinc]

You can literally just look at the pinned leaderboards yourself.

[forest token]

gilga, pos, zag sword and fists all have 55

zap spear and rail 56

all modded

[shy plinth]

Chiron is actually the lowest on unmodded

52

[forest token]

i'm assuming modded is higher

oh yeah lol

as far as i know, the only thing unmodded has over modded is arthur 57 which isn't on the spreadsheet lol

chiron's just not good for heat lol

[severe wedge]

zag sword and zag fists only have 55? sadge

[forest token]

well

the game is very anti-melee lol

em4 is rough

wait where tf is talos

[severe wedge]

ig u have to take js3 so no plume

[forest token]

talos has a 57 lol

[severe wedge]

i have seen the talos 57 so i just assumed zag and gilga had 57 too

i believe in my boys, theyre gonna get 57 someday soon 🙏

[forest token]

ngl grinding heat on fists doesnt sound fun so i can see why zag fists didn't go higher lol

[mossy zinc]

EM3 is anti-melee, EM4 is a different kind of anti-melee that can't be contained in just that one word. It's a "we didn't design this fight for you to clear with melee" kind of anti.

[forest token]

like 19 of the modded ones are from Angel lmfao

[forest token]

"we designed the fight to look cool, it's your fault you can't beat it"

[severe wedge]

yea like dozens of my 50 heat fist runs ended at EM4

[wispy blade]

50 heat em4

[severe wedge]

i can barely get hakfway thru his 2nd phase it's insane

but em3 isnt anti melee at all tbph. em2 is a bigger problem for melee due to hs

[mossy zinc]

Errr... Okay.

[forest token]

well both are very anti melee lol

[shy plinth]

EM3 makes you do damage slower and/or die more

[wispy blade]

lmfao

[forest token]

asterius beyblading and his giant aoe slams are one problem

[shy plinth]

It's dealable, but... the spin attack is pretty explicitly anti-melee right

[forest token]

and then theseus running around like a maniac is a pain when you have to chase him down

tbf that part isn't hard

[wispy blade]

theseus chariot is so satisfying with nemesis with +3 dashes though

[forest token]

also very true

[shy plinth]

It can be dealt with given enough practice, but like, it's just objectively worse for melee considering they add an attack where you cannot be next to the boss?

[severe wedge]

yeah it's annoying but u can just avoid them, esp if u try to start w ddash it's manageable. lernie's arena w hl5 hs is just cancer

[shy plinth]

But let's be clear, EM3 makes the fight worse for melee, yes?

That's a yes right

[forest token]

yes

for sure

[forest token]

well avoid the heads and lava lol

[severe wedge]

Well non EM Champs is a joke

[shy plinth]

So is that a yes

[severe wedge]

ofc

[shy plinth]

Ok

Just wanted to make sure

[mossy zinc]

Main reason for Divine Dash on melee at high heat is EM3 lol.

[severe wedge]

EM0 - EM2 champs is barely a foght

[wispy blade]

there's like 10 second periods where you literally cannot deal damage

[severe wedge]

they die in like 25-30 seconds on a slow run, and Im a super slow player

[wispy blade]

unless you get long knuckle -> longer knuckle -> longest knuckle

[severe wedge]

yeah it's really annoying

[wispy blade]

summarises the em3 melee experience

"really annoying"

[severe wedge]

that's why guan yu's sick for em3, can just snipe asterius even while hes beyblading

[mossy zinc]

Walking on magma isn't specifically a melee issue.

[forest token]

so we just gonna ignore every other ranged weapon/aspect

[severe wedge]

oh yeah i dont usually use those

been using guan yu a bit more lately

still terrible w it tho

[forest token]

aight fair enough

[severe wedge]

I dont rlly coubt Eris as ranged

[mossy zinc]

"w ddash it's manageable."

[forest token]

also kinda fair but also you can still shoot them safely lol

[wispy blade]

athena negates a lot of annoying things

holy shield = personal liability

ddash = using melee

dds = sd

[severe wedge]

kinda hard to hit Asterius in beyblade mode w Eris for me though bc I dont manual reload ever

[wispy blade]

you should

[forest token]

well that's a you problem lol

[severe wedge]

I had to manual reload when I used Hestia for 32 but I had to remap my controls a lot to a weird setup, immediately reverted back after that one run

and the default reload is really awkward to use for me

[wispy blade]

are you on controller

[severe wedge]

yeah

[shy plinth]

Remapping reload is pretty fixable

[wispy blade]

well that's your problem lmfao

[severe wedge]

it's left stick

[wispy blade]

yeah

[severe wedge]

yeah but i figure if i didnt need to manual reload eris on 50 heat then i dont need it in general lmfao

[wispy blade]

it's left stinking

[shy plinth]

It defaults to right stick, left stick is fine, you can remap it to a shoulder button easily

[severe wedge]

not planning on going above 50 tbh

[shy plinth]

You would've made it easier on yourself if you reloaded

[severe wedge]

maybe it was right stick lol i jus remember it was one of the sticks

[shy plinth]

Right stick is the default

[wispy blade]

the real solution is kbm

[severe wedge]

not really i just dash strike a lot so it auto reloads for me

[wispy blade]

that's losing time lmfao

[severe wedge]

ok it was right stick then

[shy plinth]

How does dash striking auto reload

[severe wedge]

on the run that i won i think ap2 gave me dektachamber anyway so it didnt matter

[shy plinth]

You lost a bunch of runs before

[severe wedge]

idk i think zag just reloads on his own when u dash or something

[shy plinth]

Maybe you wouldn't have

I don't think that's true?

[forest token]

well he reloads on his own when you run out of ammo

[severe wedge]

i lost ones w deltachamber too

[wispy blade]

he does reload but that's wasting time

[shy plinth]

I'm just confused why you're resistant to learning a skill that clearly makes things better than not using it

[forest token]

if you don't get any extra clicks from 0 ammo, then i guess it's technically fine? idrk about that tho lol

[mossy zinc]

Especially when the skill is pressing one button.

Imagine playing FPS, but you never reload. You just swap weapons and then use the knife when your guns are empty.

[forest token]

well the game reloads for you

[severe wedge]

im not resistant to learn it lol I can do it but Id have to go out of my way to get used to reloading w right stick or remap my controls anytime I use Eris for anything

[shy plinth]

Remap reload to any other button and use it then

I just remapped it to left stick and left it

[severe wedge]

I dont recall ever dying w the Rail while Zag was reloading or bc I didnt have any ammo

[forest token]

what about to time

[shy plinth]

I mean you died doing a bunch of 50 runs with eris

Reloading is better than running out of ammo mid attack

Costs you time, loses control of the fight

[severe wedge]

yeah and my problem w Eris wasnt time unless I got a 4 sack

w Zeus I was too slow even after I'd gotten a sub 10 Zeus clear so I kept timing out, on Eris I almost never timed out unless it was a 3-4 sack and EM4

[mossy zinc]

Well, play however you like anyway.

[forest token]

do you at least manually reload inbetween waves tho

i feel like that's gotta be the minimum

[severe wedge]

nah I just use the special so I can get the Eris boost asap

[forest token]

well you can do both

those aren't mutually exclusive

in fact, hitting special right after reload in quick succession cancels the reload animation so you can keep mobility

like you can realistically do both of those while waiting for a wave lol

[mossy zinc]

You don't need to press one after the other. You can just press both at the same time.

[forest token]

or that yeah

[severe wedge]

yeah maybe, I should jget used to it

[mossy zinc]

You can also just press any time during the Special.

[gaunt portal]

I need help for some reason the wreached brocker isn’t offering ambrosia for titans blood

[mossy zinc]

Then you don't even begin the reload animation.

Well, he offers you Titan Blood in exchange for Ambrosia, not the other way around.

[severe wedge]

he can offer the other way around sometimes on special offers

[gaunt portal]

Yah but he isn’t

[severe wedge]

is it even possible for him not to offer titan blood for ambrosua

[mossy zinc]

Idk, share a screenshot I guess.

[mossy zinc]

No.

[gaunt portal]

how do I send pictures

[mossy zinc]

Can't upload screenshots btw, gotta upload to imgur or something and link the image.

Image embeds are fine, direct uploads aren't.

Well, direct file uploads only possible in #h1-victory-boasting for victory screenshots and #fan-works for fan works.

[gaunt portal]

@mossy zinc any ideas

[shy plinth]

You have to upload the image and then post the link