h1-high-heat-strategies

[mossy zinc]

Her Call wants poms before it's good, so even that's bad here.

[forest token]

what no cshot does to a mf

[hoary pasture]

Just average c27

[stuck jackal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982618492077486100/1068693112240742560/image.png

that was really easy

you were right lol

[hoary pasture]

Nice

[mossy zinc]

I've been coaching 32 Heat for awhile.

Congratulations!

[hexed sapphire]

rav pilled

[forest token]

lmao just popped SD as well

this is why we dont take em4

based

now do it again

[mossy zinc]

No, do 40.

[shy plinth]

Boom! Well done

Man 16 minutes

Prettttttty nice

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:

HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3

That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.

In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.

So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.

32 clearly too easy.

[forest token]

i get that rama is easy with dc2 but not one shotting enemies off spawn doesn't feel right

beo brain

[shy plinth]

Is 40 where beo starts thinking about em4

I guess you probs just hit JS first

[forest token]

nah

[mossy zinc]

Attacking enemies as they spawn instead of tagging things with Special kinda wastes time.

[forest token]

beo considers em4 at 50

[shy plinth]

I feel like Tyler would've taken it earlier lol

[mossy zinc]

Retrash would take EM4 at 0 Heat.

[shy plinth]

Retrash has a broken game

[mossy zinc]

We play on Hell Mode. Retrash plays on HELL MODE.

I think that's the difference.

Second god? New run?

Probably Lord Dionysus, yeah.

[mossy zinc]

Beowulf can do some easy enough EM4 pacts at 40, but it's still just unnecessary.

[hexed sapphire]

isnt beo em4 bad because of the bug

[mossy zinc]

You mean i-frames when the Casts go boom?

Still pretty much the easiest aspect for EM4.

Doesn't matter, just take and purge later.

Be picky with your rerolls.

If it doesn't hurt you or you have a high chance of getting something much better, you probably don't need to reroll.

[hexed sapphire]

soul is good

enshrouded is relatively not terrible

[left prism]

enshroued is no preview reward right

you are basically at the end of the biome anyways

you are leaving to ch11 right?

also it also counts down on the mid biome doors

prob clears entering to aspho or after the first door

[mossy zinc]

Rerolling is risky.

Can high-roll for Grasp or Shot if you want, but can also end up needing to reset.

[hexed sapphire]

addled into furies 🙅‍♀️

[left prism]

what weapon is this btw

[mossy zinc]

God pool matters a lot less with AP2 anyway.

Beowulf.

Did you switch to Privileged Status this time btw?

Can still force her in Asphodel.

[left prism]

5 god pools arent the end of the world

[mossy zinc]

I mean you entered the Chaos Gate lol. Gotta just deal with it.

Unless you want to roll into +80% enemies, then go ahead.

[forest token]

soul is more hp from chaos right

[hexed sapphire]

-46% dash range

[forest token]

and it's end of tart?

ah

eh it's beo

should kill everything anyways

2 volleys should phase furies

unless it's tis

[mossy zinc]

Doom on Attack would at least give you Privileged Status for Furies and then you purge it lol.

Blade Dash also not even bad.

Urge to Kill is Cast damage.

[hexed sapphire]

blood frenzy is non pommable

[forest token]

you'll be fine

unless it's tis

then you might die to time

otherwise you should be phasing in like 2 volleys and shouldn't get hit much

[hexed sapphire]

lucifer could do it

[mossy zinc]

And probably active often enough, too.

[forest token]

welp just hope you dont get hit and use all your hp for td lol

based

[hexed sapphire]

iframe td with dashes

whats your pact btw

beo usualyl doesnt have timer issues

[mossy zinc]

Spending 5 minutes on a Chaos curse decision just to die 20 seconds later.

[mossy zinc]

I saw a DC1 in there pretty sure.

[hexed sapphire]

[mossy zinc]

Charged Shot DC1 is a moment.

[jaunty falcon]

Epic attack on beo is the goat

[hexed sapphire]

I think beo can take ri1 at 50

[mossy zinc]

Probably faster with Charged Shot than DC1.

[hexed sapphire]

charged shot is a lot of damage lmao

[forest token]

beo works with ri but not having dark foresight can make you get cshot late

but also dc1 sucks

so like

pick your poison i suppose

[mossy zinc]

I don't think hammers really appear that much later with RI1 tbh.

[forest token]

tbf i dont have much experience without DF so i dont remember

but the few times i did on a new file, my first hammer was ely

wasn't even offered it ever

[mossy zinc]

If you have DC1, might as well go for a different hammer if modded.

Well, Charged Shot still not bad, but the difference isn't as big anymore.

[forest token]

dc1 with cshot is fine tbh

esp if you lead with a dstrike inwards

or use mistral dash cope to strip dc1

[hexed sapphire]

just dont sell your attack if you have charged shot

[mossy zinc]

Idk I just wouldn't take DC nor RI1 and just do EM4 at 50 if it's Beowulf.

[forest token]

bugwulf time

[hexed sapphire]

sometimes beowulf cshot just reverts to 50 damage for no reason

nobody knows why

[mossy zinc]

lmao

[forest token]

sometimes?

so like

[hexed sapphire]

it happens sometimes when selling attack

so just dont sell attack

[forest token]

even if you do sell your atk with cshot it might not even happen?

[left prism]

wait that actually happens?

[forest token]

i know there's the small passion flare thingy

but i wasn't aware of the cshot damage revert

[mossy zinc]

That's the first time I've heard of it lol.

But I don't question it.

[forest token]

yeah it was mentioned briefly in the bigp derby stream

[left prism]

first time too but hey, its beo

i cant trust that thing

[forest token]

lmfao very fair

[mossy zinc]

Everything went downhill when they nerfed Charged Flight and we had to actually learn the aspect.

[forest token]

i think it was tested recently before the derby stream so it was prob around that time

[mossy zinc]

Give me my bouncy bow-shield back.

[forest token]

did people speedrun with cflight beo lmao

[left prism]

+400% is kinda a lot

[hexed sapphire]

first sighting was around july 2022 so not necessarily

[mossy zinc]

I take back what I said, Amir, Charged Flight +400% is great and balanced.

[forest token]

i wouldn't imagine it clearing fast tho

[mossy zinc]

People didn't really speedrun with Beowulf lol.

[forest token]

well i figured people just speedran with everything

or at least tried

hey croven do you have a sub5 charged flight beo recording somewhere

[hexed sapphire]

i still hate how croven can just crank out a sub 5 sometimes like its no big deal

[mossy zinc]

Early Access high heat and speedrun leaderboards didn't separate seeded from unseeded. So speedrun board was dominated by routed runs at the top lol.

[shy plinth]

I vaguely remember watching some of those 4 minute runs

[hexed sapphire]

did routed even exist in earnest in early access

[jaunty falcon]

Kinda

[shy plinth]

https://youtu.be/jpDS4RJIcE0

[mossy zinc]

What do you mean kinda? Routing was pretty much the same thing, just a bit less knowledge of RNG mechanics still and less tools to help find good routes.

[hexed sapphire]

wow it's faster than satan

[mossy zinc]

Even the runs that weren't routed were all seeded and just replaying the same seed and ended up routing some part of Tartarus at minimum. Like, even if you didn't try to deliberately route, you'd end up mapping out a bit of Tartarus.

[shy plinth]

Faster than the devil himself

[mossy zinc]

There were a few in high heat like Tailesque and me who played unseeded for a long time still, but eventually also ended up using seeds near the end because it just saved time.

And if you wanted to compete on a board that didn't make a distinction, saving time helps a lot.

I fought hard against the status quo to get us separate unseeded and seeded categories in high heat.

[shy plinth]

Did that start with krasher's sheet?

[mossy zinc]

Well, his sheet was the sheet for early access, too. He refused to separate the two categories. Eventually gave in when 1.0 started and the speedrunners also started separating.

[karmic carbon]

just did em4 hades after not being able to get zeus legendary on chiron bow special after 7 zeus boons

rng sucks man

the fact he was gatekeeping a fishing point kept me alive

[shy plinth]

Did you have the requirements?

[karmic carbon]

I sure did, I had zeus special on chiron and after 5 zeus boons the game finally gave me one of the three... and it was the larger area

my least favorite

I got the final 7th boon that had the second requirement in styx dude

oh and I just died on em4 because the same exact thing happened where it wouldnt give me merciful end on gilgamesh

idk man sometime I feel so unlucky

[shy plinth]

What heat are you playing?

Are you using fated persuasion? Sometimes it happens, but also em4 is pretty punishing regardless of your boons

I haven't seen your heat or mirror, but typically speaking, there's opportunity to optimize those fights regardless of rolls - and of course it is still a roguelike

This channel is generally focused on optimizing 32+ heat attempts, there are good runs and bad runs but there are also always factors we can control

Hard to watch Retrash vods where he routinely will smash 50+ heat sword runs with AP2 on and say that it's all about the boons, yknow?

Sucks that you didn't get what you were looking for, but we're happy to help find ways to account for not hitting a specific build

For what it's worth, unless you're pushing pretty high (50+), em4 generally not recommended. It's hard

Some people wanna do it for the challenge anyway, which I understand - but that means there's value in making peace with the increased likelihood of a death, especially at the very end

[karmic carbon]

just running 10, I'm trying to get better at em4 so I can go for a 32 heat run

[karmic carbon]

yeah... not maxed cause thats lots of darkness I'm grinding for

and I'll keep my adventures with increasing heat to discussion then until I hit 32 heat, believe me it'll happen!

[shy plinth]

I believe it! But keep in mind the recommended 32 pact does not include em4

We're happy to help here, don't get me wrong

You don't have to zoop out of here just because of the number in the corner

But em4 is a really really punishing 4 heat

[karmic carbon]

yes I do understand but I hate stubborn defiance and lasting consequences 4 cause I have tried it

[shy plinth]

Well you gotta get used to it

And I feel confident in saying the feeling you have now grinding em4 is worse than what lc4/sd will offer you

(I tried both)

(Many times lol)

[karmic carbon]

I've gotten used to tight deadline 3 and hard labour, but mixing HL and LC is awful

[shy plinth]

It takes practice no matter what you do

And for what it's worth, you don't have to max HL if you're doing a 32

Though the most consistently successful 32 pact does include HL5

And basically everything includes LC4 unless you wanna go really off meta

But I got hit too much so I went with FO2 HL1 instead

[karmic carbon]

understatement, and thanks for your help! I've got a rama run to return to if that's alright, but you have yourself a great night!

[shy plinth]

GLHF

[karmic carbon]

thanks!

[idle hound]

zag bow, aphro atk and landing hits right?

any particular tech?

[mossy zinc]

If you're asking for bow tech, should probably just play more with it to get the fundamentals down.

Look for Hunter Dash, Tidal Dash or Divine Dash.

Zeus' Aid for Smoldering Air.

Lots of Strike and Lunge from Master Chaos.

Get Heartbreak Strike to Lv.3 or 4.

Taking True Shot (or Deadly Flourish) to open up Hunter's Mark and Heart Rend isn't bad.

I usually take Thunder Signet in Asphodel if I have a Dash already and Adamant Arrowhead if I don't.

[idle hound]

Ive been avoiding chaos for now in 32h

Maybe o shouldn't

[mossy zinc]

Shouldn't, yeah. Maybe in Elysium if your pace is good and you're low on rerolls.

You're doing RI0 AP0, so there's not a lot of risk.

The tech is mainly just things like learning breakpoints and when you actually need to power-shoot or not.

Practicing to release your power shots as early as possible.

Max DPS on bosses is single dash through the boss into Dash-Strike Power Shot if you have Hunter Dash and multi-dash if you have Tidal Dash.

[idle hound]

Great, thanks!

[mossy zinc]

Getting the distance right on normal mobs can be tricky if you have Tidal Dash. Ideally you want your Dash-Attack to hit first and then finish off with Tidal Dash as you aim your next shot at the next enemy. If Tidal Dash hits first, it can push them out of Twin Shot range and quick-releases.

But that's optimization you'd want for like sub 8 probably.

[idle hound]

Yeah time is not a concern at least

Though it's nice to be efficient

[mossy zinc]

Call interrupts your charge, so be mindful of that and time your Calls inbetween charges when you use them for DPS.

[idle hound]

It's elegant

[idle hound]

Oh ok

[mossy zinc]

When you use Call for i-frames, just use them as needed.

[idle hound]

Still haven't learnt that xD

[mossy zinc]

It's the same thing as using empty dash for i-frames lol.

Just a bit more lenient.

Best hammer combos for boss fights are Twin Flurry and Triple Flurry. Just helps so much with mobility.

But Flurry without Twin or Triple isn't as good.

I'd rather take Perfect Shot or Point-Blank Shot first hammer than Flurry.

A lot of unarmored enemies that don't die in a single shot will die if you throw a Cast before the shot.

[idle hound]

Good good

[mossy zinc]

You'll probably have won the run before you get to try 90% of that.

[idle hound]

Most likely hahah

[idle hound]

cleared, got triple and perfect shot, and an early unhealthy fixtion, which certainly helped avoid grievous hits

all in all my performance with zag bow is vere polarized, i either flunk or nuke, no in between

thanks again for the coaching

[mossy zinc]

Zag Bow can be a bit annoying unmodded because of how much worse it is when you don't get Twin or Triple Shot.

[wispy blade]

what's the simplest achilles build for 32

[mossy zinc]

By simplest do you mean easiest to win with?

[wispy blade]

i mean

i would be alright with that

[mossy zinc]

Probably Crystal Clarity.

[wispy blade]

but more something where you dont need to know as many intricacies

[mossy zinc]

#h1-builds-and-combat message

Ah.

[wispy blade]

i mean if you've written a whole guide on it that probably would make it simpler

[mossy zinc]

I would hope so lol.

[wispy blade]

how is this with fo2?

[forest token]

Meme beam or hunting blades works

[mossy zinc]

Idk I mean FO2 isn't gonna make it easier to kite and let your beams handle it, but it's also perfectly fine.

[shy plinth]

Once you're used to FO2 at 32 I don't think there's anything that's particularly good with or against it

Obv arthur or whatever isn't the most fo2 friendly aspect but it also shouldn't matter too much

[mossy zinc]

I would just suggest avoiding CF AP and RI since you're doing a Cast build.

And don't listen to DC2 propaganda from players who take TD2 because they're "too slow for TD3" while calling DC2 free Heat.

They also without fail complain about Saviors.

[wispy blade]

i can never gauge if im too slow on things

[timber beacon]

Lel, am I getting shade?

[mossy zinc]

"OMG Savior is so bad. You know what would be a great pact to choose? Giving literally every enemy Savior."

[timber beacon]

What's Savior?

[wispy blade]

i generally will be within td3 on everything except chiron

[wispy blade]

blue shield givers

hate on numbskulls

[mossy zinc]

Savior is a perk that enemies can get from Benefits Package.

[wispy blade]

idrc about them on anything else

[timber beacon]

Lel, that's so hypocritical for them to say, I get it now.

[mossy zinc]

Chiron is a difficult aspect to be speedy with.

[timber beacon]

I love BP, makes the mobs fun.

[wispy blade]

i always lose time in styx when the walls gobble up 7 of my arrows

i feel like at that point it might be better to temporarily play it as zagbow or something

[mossy zinc]

Indeed.

More importantly, you wanna look for some kind of Styx shredder in your build.

Like...

Tidal Dash + Breaking Wave

Flood Shot + Breaking Wave

Zeus' Aid + Smoldering Air

Something like that.

[wispy blade]

it's crazy how fun nemesis is even though i'm always taking so much damage

[mossy zinc]

It's part of why Chiron starts Conch Shell in speedruns.

[wispy blade]

omg

every dem boon is purple except for the cast

[mossy zinc]

lol

Rarity barely matters on it.

[wispy blade]

it's like 2 damage isn't it

[mossy zinc]

I mean higher rarity wouldn't hurt, but it's not gonna be the end of the world.

Yeah, epic does 10 DPS.

Common is 8.

[wispy blade]

isn't it 50

i feel like 10 would be a bit pathetic per second

[mossy zinc]

Woops yeah.

10 every 0.2 seconds lol.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's what Ares' Aid feels like.

[wispy blade]

i've gotten 0 chaos gates so far

[mossy zinc]

That's the risk in Stygian Soul Cast builds, yeah.

[wispy blade]

you want strike from arty right

[mossy zinc]

Any core boon will do.

Deadly Strike is good on Achilles, so might as well take it.

[wispy blade]

i seem to have forgotten about UC

[mossy zinc]

Hunter Dash doesn't open up Hunter's Mark in her pool, which makes it easier to get Crystal Clarity.

UC isn't too much of a problem because you basically get your money back.

[wispy blade]

well the issue is that i left tart with deadly strike, hyper sprint and meme beam

[mossy zinc]

Purge Hyper Sprint.

[modest wharf]

I remember once I left tartarus with just crush shot and ddash (it was not a good time)

[wispy blade]

who needs damage when you have ddash

[mossy zinc]

Crush Shot is all the damage you need.

[shrewd socket]

any strategies on how do i pass heat 8 with 100% hard labor and -75% lasting consequences

[forest token]

No need to spoiler
Also does it have to be those perks lol

[shrewd socket]

not really, i am just trying progress on thing at a time

[quartz mantle]

I would recommend using Stubborn Defiance

[forest token]

I mean at that point yeah lmao

If we want to change the pact you could follow the heat guide pinned here

[shrewd socket]

bet, any other nyx talents i should use?

[shrewd socket]

for sure, for sure

thank you guys so much!

[quartz mantle]

SD is the main one, Tough Skin over High Confidence is another one

The other mirror perks can just kinda be personal preference

[forest token]

Dark foresight

[quartz mantle]

The one thing I will recommend at least trying out is Dark Foresight yea

[mossy zinc]

Just delete unarmored Brightswords from the game. https://i.imgur.com/YquVzHy.png

[idle hound]

zag sword is being difficult

is going for flat damage instead of % a mistake? Cause im considering it

[hoary pasture]

No

Zag Sword doesn’t have an inherent crit buff like Nemesis so the % attacks are gonna feel worse

You’d need a lot of global damage or chaos to make up for it

Merciful End on Zag sword should be pretty straight forward

[idle hound]

ok ill go for that, thanks!

[idle hound]

divine protection is like another acorn, nice to get as colateral for running Gods legacy to guarantee ME

done

very seamless, wow

[cursive solstice]

Am I playing it bad or is it impossible to avoid the bulls rush in EM3 with forced overtime 2? I feel like epic hyper sprint + extra dashes is the only way I’ve ever avoided it, and even then half the time he just keeps going and doesn’t run into the pillars cuz I’m much ahead of him

[jaunty falcon]

It’s pretty hard

Lure him into the wall if the pillars are broken

[glossy mica]

The paragraphing feels very short

I barely got any time to react

[forest token]

i mean it is fo2 lol, everything is a lot faster
just takes practice to see it faster

[cursive solstice]

Yea I’ll try to get better at running into walls I guess, I did it accidentally a times as I was mashing dash

[quartz mantle]

Yea you have to position yourself well at most times so you don't have to rely on reaction

Giving yourself space between you and the bull man and being near the wall/pillars help a lot to be able to dodge the charge

It makes playing that fight incredibly hard with melee weapons if you don't have a tool like Athena call to protect yourself on command

[mossy zinc]

(1) get close to an obstacle (like the wall) and empty-dash away at the last moment, so he'll crash into it trying to turn away; or (2) get between two obstacles (like the pillars) and empty-dash through Asterius at the last moment, so he'll crash into one of them trying to turn around.

Theseus also counts as an obstacle btw.

"Not me, Asterius!"

[cosmic olive]

Did he take damages?

[forest token]

If he does is probably very minimal

[mossy zinc]

Usually way too many damage numbers on the screen for me in the moment to tell. And I don't feel like recording to verify.

[stuck jackal]

does quick recovery work with lc4

[forest token]

yes

[left prism]

Quick recovery is comfy

[stuck jackal]

neat

[wispy blade]

hl5 lc4 cf2 js2 em3 cp1 bp2 mm uc fo2 hs ri1 ap2 td3 pl hestia?

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1014942245142659163/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670
this is the pact amb used

honestly no clue if she reset for epic atk or not but good chance because of cp2

[wispy blade]

cp2?

[forest token]

yeah you pacts are basically the same tho, js1 cp2 vs js2 cp1

[wispy blade]

js1 cp2 instead of js2 cp1

are those that diff?

[forest token]

she has a very comfy time tho lmao

[wispy blade]

ill try it out

[forest token]

but yeah at 50 there isn't much else to take lol

[wispy blade]

uh isn't

modded meant to give u hammer

[forest token]

could do lightning strike with dc2 lol

[forest token]

yeah

well

hammer choice

not a hammer

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/725021639506526249/1016875831831838750/unknown.png?width=1191&height=670

[wispy blade]

oh

[forest token]

also amb 56 hestia cursed

[wispy blade]

wtf

[forest token]

lmfao

[wispy blade]

is grey strike worth reset

i think it's time for my ritual suicide

i'll save the save just in case i feel sentimental i guess

[forest token]

lmao

prob tbh

50% vs even like 75% on rare is a decent chunk

[wispy blade]

i hath DIED

[forest token]

from a room or reset lol

[wispy blade]

reset

[haughty sky]

cp2 is like really bad

[wispy blade]

cp2 js1 is 6% better on normal rooms

[forest token]

amb took it not me lmao

well i did for 51 beo but it's beo cp2 doesnt exist

[wispy blade]

why is reset not working

erf1 right

[haughty sky]

the %s aren’t that easy

[forest token]

buttons might be too close together so it doesnt register

[haughty sky]

interact reload summon call

you have to toggle it on when you first install

[wispy blade]

close? like it measures distance on qwery?

[wispy blade]

i just did

[haughty sky]

well distance doesn’t rlly matter

sometimes non gamer keyboards won’t register multiple keys at once bc they all use the same wiring or whatever

[forest token]

there was a link i think nyaanyaa sent me that kinda tested if the buttons worked if you press them at the same time

[wispy blade]

wait

all at once?

oh

i thought it was in sequence

[haughty sky]

yea

[wispy blade]

omg

aphrodite

this run was going so well

don't give me these goddamn greys

"so well" as in i got paupers lunge lol

[wispy blade]

4kro is pretty common these days

is this just my life now

killing myself in the first chamber

[haughty sky]

re: cp2, there’s a reason all the odd 55+ heat runs take cp1 js3 and not cp2 js2

[wispy blade]

every time

[haughty sky]

there’s a guaranteed epic first boon mod

[wispy blade]

the difference there is 1.1%

so i assume it's because of bosses

[haughty sky]

it’s not as simple as just bigger number

you miss a lot more breakpoints and stuff on enemies

[wispy blade]

yes i know

jesus christ

65%

10% difference

[haughty sky]

it’s a lot slower and time is such an issue, usually js just gives more enemies at once anyway

[forest token]

Also aoe helps out

With cp2 aoe doesn't do as much

[haughty sky]

yea

[wispy blade]

god's whatever really pulls its weight huh

[haughty sky]

bosses are a big deal too obvs

[forest token]

Part of the reason why hazard is good at high heat

Can hit more for more damage

[haughty sky]

yea gl on numbskulls without tdash or hazard

or even like ely eyes

[wispy blade]

i stg

[forest token]

Tdash start and get epic aphro atk next room easy

[wispy blade]

aph is literally allergic to helpin gme

[forest token]

Lmao

[wispy blade]

did nyaanyaa curse me or sm

[haughty sky]

get the epic first boon mod

it’s a lifesaver

[wispy blade]

where do i get it

omg

[haughty sky]

#548318455695278123 message

[wispy blade]

get ares special ap2 -> roll -> special again

literally wth

[haughty sky]

get used to it lol

i think first boon is 15% epic (per slot) with keepsake?

so you get 7x as many runs with it

[wispy blade]

fun

[forest token]

legit just take what you get

you only roll the important stuff

[haughty sky]

yea what bananas said

[wispy blade]

sad

[haughty sky]

you roll out of exchange and in purging pools if you need

or if it’s athena and you have a lot

(rough rules)

[forest token]

exchanges, athena, purging pools, and chaos

[wispy blade]

what is wrong iwth athena?

[forest token]

hermes if you dont have anything else to do

[forest token]

dd

also ddash

or call

[haughty sky]

i would only roll on chaos if the curse is awful

[forest token]

yeah

[wispy blade]

dd and ddash are bad??

[haughty sky]

or if it’s like c3 bc why not that early in the run

[forest token]

no you roll for those

[wispy blade]

ohh

[forest token]

any of athena's cores are good tbh

[haughty sky]

ofc you can assess in a run if you need extra sauce or whatever and roll

[forest token]

assuming you get what you want for atk/special anyways

[wispy blade]

rolled and got bronze skin :(

[forest token]

nice

[haughty sky]

if i had a nickel for every time i’ve rolled from bronze skin into lower rarity bronze skin

[wispy blade]

uh

did i just make my save corrupt

again

why does this happen

am i just never allowed to quit out

i was literally doing well in asphodel

[haughty sky]

oh speedrun modpack does that if there’s a boon in the room

[wispy blade]

what

[haughty sky]

the ball you interact with

[wispy blade]

yeah

but like

why is that just

[haughty sky]

i assume you mean the run’s save and not your entire file

[wispy blade]

an issue thats known and not fixed

[haughty sky]

bc you never do that in speedruns

[wispy blade]

NO

I MISCLICKED

[jaunty falcon]

@distant pivot the hell is this bruh

oops

@hexed sapphire

PS

[hoary pasture]

That pact is awful

[mossy zinc]

Privileged Status on Heartbreak Strike start helps bring up the value of some boons you can be forced into with AP2 by a lot.

[hexed sapphire]

I would do RI2 CP1 these days

don't use my old pacts as a model that won't go well

[mossy zinc]

Why not? I think everybody should use my first 32 Heat pact.

Nyaanyaa Mewmew — 05/19/2020 7:28 PM
32 heat now is definitely more demanding. I've tried Deep Pockets, but so far I'm finding Golden Touch more useful.

Ah, found it.

https://i.imgur.com/rQUxGdJ.jpg

(TD3 wasn't a thing yet.)

(Neither was Dark Foresight.)

69th clear. Lady Aphrodite taught me well.

[jaunty falcon]

Nice flat damage soup build

[mossy zinc]

Lots of flat damage there, yeah.

Divine Strike on melee was better then when dad skulls actually disappeared on deflect and deflect damage to bosses wasn't nerfed yet.

[cosmic olive]

Omg 32 of heat

Is Erebus useful at this heat?

[mossy zinc]

Certainly.

Mainly in Tartarus and Asphodel.

[cosmic olive]

All the propositions are interesting? Like, the benefits of the gods are better in the erebus?

[mossy zinc]

They're higher rarity, similar to boons from minibosses.

That's not really why you'd take them, though, unless it's a boon from Lord Hermes.

[cosmic olive]

Ohw, didn't know that. Even for minibosses I difn't notice

[cosmic olive]

Lord Hermes is interesting in high heat because of the dodge at 25%?

[mossy zinc]

Greatest Reflex and Hyper Sprint first and foremost.

Dodge chance is nice, though.

[cosmic olive]

Sorry I play in french, I don't see what benefits it is. A recup of life when you dodge and the boost of speed maybe?

I suppose it's better to have the reroll of benefits?

[mossy zinc]

Greatest Reflex = more dashes
Hyper Sprint = +100% movement speed after a dash + damage reduction

[cosmic olive]

Oooooh, I see now ! Thanks again !

Dashes help in high heat? I though It would be more helping in speedrun and that you would priorise the dodge chances

[mossy zinc]

Well, you want DPS in high heat, too.

And dashes give i-frames.

And mobility.

Just overall great.

[cosmic olive]

Didn't see it under that angle

Oh, I suppose that It give dps by combining with the dash benefits of other gods? Or with the run shot?

Sorry If I ask stupid or obvious questions 😭

[mossy zinc]

You get DPS by getting more Dash-Strikes and also just simply by being more mobile.

The faster you can get around the screen, the faster you can get to enemies and actually do damage.

[cosmic olive]

Didn't see it to that angle too

A tip for the beggining object to bring? I always take Thanatos Butterfly but I don't know If it's always useful

[mossy zinc]

god 1 > god 2 > Acorn > Acorn

First two keepsakes you normally take are for your build.

[jaunty falcon]

I’d force rocket

Cluster first has higher chances of getting clockets tho

[hexed sapphire]

I would get over myself and use hazard

but rocket is better

[cosmic olive]

God 1 and God 2 related to the weapon?

[hoary pasture]

Yes

[jaunty falcon]

Practice not doing that then

[mossy zinc]

Why practice?

Just decide to not do it.

Easy.

[humble ice]

When this community says flat damage, what does that mean? Typically I think it means either additive damage (stuff like Zeus attack) or damage with no other benefits (like, I guess, urge to kill?), but I don't think that's what y'all mean.

[rapid hawk]

flat means it's a set amount, not a percentage

so zeus attack for example, the bolt does set damage, where as if you take something like aphro attack, it does bonus damage that is percentage of your attack

[humble ice]

So where's the flat damage on this build? I see Athena attack for +72% and Artemis special for crits. Is it just the deflection itself?

[mossy zinc]

That's the joke.

[humble ice]

I see I see

[mossy zinc]

Urge to Kill isn't flat damage.

[humble ice]

It would be by a definition we're not using, is what I meant

[cosmic olive]

Flat is when it does every time the same amount every time it prock no?

[mossy zinc]

No, flat damage is just when it's not % damage.

[jaunty falcon]

Urge to kill changes when base damage changes

So it isn’t flat

[jaunty falcon]

And yeah I was joking lol

Since 100% of meta fist builds these days are flat damage soup

[cosmic olive]

Okay thanks!

[wispy blade]

dont have access to server

[forest token]

it's speedrunning server

[wispy blade]

cool

[glossy mica]

Why they gatekeeping speedrunning server

[forest token]

It's literally public

The invite is pinned in #self-promotion

[glossy mica]

Oh

[mossy zinc]

Gatekeeping with public invites smh.

[timber beacon]

How dare they allow only everyone to join with invites!!!

[wispy blade]

50 got to ely

can we all please say a prayer for patty

[forest token]

just dont get hit

and get patty

[wispy blade]

so true

no patty

[forest token]

just dont get hit

or get one shot

[wispy blade]

got tos tyx

[hexed sapphire]

not too fond of achilles high heat

[wispy blade]

ive done dad without losing acorn before but not on fo2

[hexed sapphire]

which aspect

and how much timer

[wispy blade]

hestia

7:37 left

[hexed sapphire]

ok it's fine then

just play it safe

[wispy blade]

i wanna take miniboss heart second right

to keep the 50 guaranteed

[forest token]

yeah

dont forget to reset sd before you go into that tho

2nd chamber is always 3 rooms

[wispy blade]

it is?

[forest token]

and then fountain

yeah

for modded

[wispy blade]

oh

first variable 3/4?

[forest token]

first tunnel is 4-5

[wispy blade]

+miniboss

[forest token]

second is always 3

oh uh

yeah 3/4 + miniboss

[wispy blade]

oh but i can reset in miniboss

[forest token]

so 4/5

why would you reset in miniboss

[wispy blade]

oh right

its easy rooms after that

[forest token]

just dont die in miniboss lol

[wispy blade]

so long as it's not satyr i'm fine

going into dad

[timber beacon]

Ayo same.

Race.

[forest token]

speedrun 50 heat dad ez

[wispy blade]

PHASED

SITLL ACRON

[forest token]

based

[wispy blade]

DID IT

DID IT

[forest token]

gamer

[wispy blade]

I ONLY DIED TO RESETS LOL

[timber beacon]

....

[forest token]

lmao hestia moment

[timber beacon]

I just died on 3rd Phase lol

[forest token]

and this is why we dont take em4 lol

[timber beacon]

[wispy blade]

am i good yet

[forest token]

when 60

[wispy blade]

now

so ez

[forest token]

do it

[wispy blade]

it's only 10 heat

[forest token]

it's basically every pact but with dc0 ri2 probably

[wispy blade]

ri3

[forest token]

oh yeah

single dash gaming

[wispy blade]

oh lord

if i wanna make this a video im gonna have to cut out so many alt tabs

[forest token]

lmfao

[wispy blade]

i did up to styx during my calc 2 class

[forest token]

is this technically a valid run

[hoary pasture]

Calc 2 not important

[forest token]

true

[wispy blade]

we were just doing like

review of something 400 pages back

[hoary pasture]

🗿

[shrewd socket]

what are the best heat perks to use?

[forest token]

Check pins

[shrewd socket]

okay I saw it, thanks 👍🏽

[wispy blade]

ri4 ap2 em4

[shrewd socket]

gotcha

that makes it heat 10, yeah?

[wispy blade]

sure

23, 10, same number

[forest token]

[light sedge]

5min for TD is kind of a pain in Tart when you get the witches-only spawn. How do you guys handle it? They come in one at a time and scutter to wack corners of the chamber.

[left prism]

You cry

[jaunty falcon]

Try to notice asap if it’s that type of encounter then stick to one side of the screen, kill them till they stop spawning, then move to the other side and kill the ones that are left

Saves you having to keep going back and forth

[light sedge]

every time

[light sedge]

I'll try, thanks!

It's not even hard, just annoying to deal with

[wispy blade]

not sure if this is what you mean but https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6NaU9v1-raeibkl4jBOxsYyBGfwq6w9g-HvOkzEXFM9RaxKP9TSE1ZioMmR4p-taL-sQjFbcqOe2A/pub#h.6gwwe7vp1o6a

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah that’s from that guide

[mossy zinc]

Two of those on bow just kinda kill any Tartarus times in speedruns. Probably similar for other weapons.

[forest token]

I remember getting like 4 witch rooms and leaving tart near 3 minutes lmao

Was a speedrun, wasn't high heat but also like bruh

[jaunty falcon]

Play hypermodded

😊

[mossy zinc]

I've hit reset immediately a number of times when getting this chamber and unarmored Witches on Hera lol. https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/24wPDP3FdRKLSMe4ZUGrPnw02W6-bw17JaAxZUnVa9tRiFn2_-EzKya_zKXQnIlyaKi_aAffrHrbOneWp0fsbsyyhxlqqfVCN4q4mVTIAcE_UVtGdTUEHFRDfkK40ZODf5QpJKmWQ5_IVMyW_BKkxQ

[jaunty falcon]

Unless it’s early on I do the same

[mossy zinc]

Is that out now? I only have 1.20 speedrun modpack.

[forest token]

Is that leaderboard legal lmao

[jaunty falcon]

No and no

[forest token]

Very cool

[mossy zinc]

I'll make my own speedrun mewdpack where I just set all enemy HP to 1 and submit runs with that.

That should be fine, right?

Probably still slower than Croven.

[wispy blade]

gilga is op on modded clearly‼️

[mossy zinc]

I was being serious, but now you're just memeing.

[hexed sapphire]

reset

wasting time bad

[jaunty falcon]

Funny how hypermodded was partly designed to bridge the gap between beo and other 2nd hammer reliant aspects but it just made beo even more op

[mossy zinc]

It lets you choose second hammer?

[hexed sapphire]

among other things

forced 2nd hammer is the most guaranteed to get in 1

and no tis

[jaunty falcon]

Choose midboss god

[hexed sapphire]

some stuff like forced 2 waves aren't guaranteed to get in

[mossy zinc]

Guaranteed epic start?

[hexed sapphire]

yeah

[jaunty falcon]

Guaranteed 10-12, 21-22, 28-34 skip?.?.?.?

[mossy zinc]

Does it delete unarmored Strongbows and Brightswords and Boneless and Witches from the game?

[jaunty falcon]

And numbskulls

[wispy blade]

i <3 witches

[jaunty falcon]

Unarmored shields

And gorgons

[mossy zinc]

I also love witches, but not the kind that's wasting my time.

[hexed sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955765694593650691/1069777379200876687/image.png

I got this 2nd attempt on the pack

[jaunty falcon]

I got a 6:00 with level 1 icy flare

[mossy zinc]

I like when Asphodel 1st encounter is 20+ Boneless staggered spawns instead of 2-3 armored enemies that I can kill in a couple of seconds.

Thanks, Amir.

[jaunty falcon]

No problem

[hexed sapphire]

no problem

[forest token]

holy hypermodded lmao

[mossy zinc]

The lmao is hypermodded?

And holy?

[light sedge]

Ye... some enemy spawns are kinda scuffed indeed

Like how 4/5 armored Wretched Pests are valued the same as 10+ unarmored Wretched Thugs

[mossy zinc]

No.

Gimme pests.

4-5 armored pests probably more like 20+ unarmored Thugs lol.

[light sedge]

Pests with speeder are a pain

[jaunty falcon]

Unarmored pests c2 is a blessing

[light sedge]

Especially when paired with linker, wooops there goes your hp

[jaunty falcon]

Double pest c1 is the most consistent fast c1 on beo

[mossy zinc]

Unarmored pests c2 might as well be a free room lol.

Faster than fountain.

[jaunty falcon]

No

There’s 4 of them

Just spawn manip

It becomes more problematic in c3

Where there’s 6

[mossy zinc]

I like when you enter a room and they just line up perfectly for a point-blank snap release.

No boon or hammer needed, just one shot and poof.

[mossy zinc]

https://i.imgur.com/zJXQy1G.png

How is my room guide?

[light sedge]

Perfect

[mossy zinc]

Thanks.

Rare mousewriting from me that doesn't look completely terrible.

[light sedge]

5 sack TD3, feels lucky man

[cosmic olive]

Why reset i don't understand?

[light sedge]

Because clearing that room with witches takes forever

[mossy zinc]

Speedrun joke.

Also kinda true.

You can get fast encounters in that room in awhile, but most of the time it's just terrible.

Enemies spawn all over the room and no way to manipulate it.

Traps and pillars get in the way of your attacks.

[cosmic olive]

Oh, i see

[jaunty falcon]

You can manipulate in the right corner but it puts you pretty far from the exit

[cosmic olive]

I don't try to speedrun (I use only what the game give me lmao) best time is 19 mins but i'm still proud !

Think it's good ?

[forest token]

Good considering you didnt try to Speedrun lol

[mossy zinc]

You only need sub 20 for high heat anyway.

Although that gets increasingly harder with JS CP etc.

And EM4.

[cosmic olive]

It's how you unlock it?

[forest token]

no, with high heat you take tight deadline 3

and you have to clear within 20 minutes

5 minutes per biome, time carries over

so if you have a sub20 time, that's really all you need to push heat

unless you take js, cp, dc, and/or em4

[cosmic olive]

My max is heat 10 because I do every weapon and don't play with strategic builds for now ^^'

[mossy zinc]

Well, if you want to do 32+, this is the place to find help.

[haughty sky]

dw when you get to high enough heat you don't get strategic builds either

[mossy zinc]

If you want to practice for high heat, I recommend turning on EM2 FO2 TD3 and just never taking those off for now.

[wispy blade]

ap2? free heat, just reset 200 or so times

[haughty sky]

this!

all pact options are free, just win

[wispy blade]

js3? free heat, just get every free room and 20 light of ixions

[wispy blade]

i was told to put this here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4DIM9k_Y_w

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, much better here for in-depth high heat advice.

You missed Chaos Gate chamber 3.

You often miss the timing for Attack press and end up just reloading twice.

Hold down Attack for a bit longer, that'll ensure the attack still comes out if you press down too early.

[wispy blade]

yes i do that often

i think more often i botch the combo because i press special at the wrong time

[mossy zinc]

If you reload and immediately hold down Attack, your Attack will come out after that.

Asap.

[wispy blade]

cool

[forest token]

i want to comment on this and say that iirc she reset a bunch of times for epic aphrodite atk at the start, and prob didn't want to reset if it was a bad chaos

but point does stand that taking chaos that early in the run is worth it imo

[wispy blade]

i ended up listening to that person and putting on epic starting boon

[forest token]

oh really lmao

[wispy blade]

and then first run worked out

[forest token]

yeah then in that case should've just taken chaos

[wispy blade]

idrk why i didn't take it but if i had to guess it was probably cause i didnt wanna get stuck with like enshrouded or maimed or something

[mossy zinc]

That Cyclops Jerky before Asphodel could have saved you quite a bit of time.

[wispy blade]

i think im allergic to buying well items tbh

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, thing is it's in Tartarus. If it doesn't work out, you just reset lol.

[wispy blade]

i never buy them and idk why

[forest token]

if you had to reset for epic aphro atk, then understandable
but since you have epic start mod, then might as well

[mossy zinc]

You just need to think of the value you can get from the items. Like... +30% Attack doesn't do anything for you if you can hit breakpoints just fine without it.

[forest token]

if you speedrun with beo/hera/achilles you'll start to check more often lol

[mossy zinc]

But it's a ton of time save if you miss breakpoints without it.

Especially if you don't have something like Tidal Dash to finish off enemies with low HP.

You'll need two shots instead of one every time.

It's +45 damage on Hestia.

[forest token]

at high heat are you still expected to 1 shot aspho enemies lol

with hestia to be specific

[mossy zinc]

Not necessarily, but if you can, sure.

[forest token]

lmao fair enough

id figure with hestia you'd want 2 shot minimum

wait i meant maximum

i swear english is my first language

[mossy zinc]

If an enemy has 1 heart from Savior, just use a bloodstone right before your shot to get rid of it.

Cast can also help you one-shot enemies that you otherwise wouldn't.

[wispy blade]

i have a hard time with casts when i have aim at cursor off

it seems like they never go where i want them to

[mossy zinc]

Special + Reload > Cast > Attack (usually Dash-Attack) is a combo I don't really ever see you do.

[forest token]

it goes the way you face

iirc

[mossy zinc]

But then again, I play on pad so I can just think about rotations and not worry about aiming.

[wispy blade]

my book says special attack reload

[mossy zinc]

Base bloodstone has some minor homing anyway, that should help.

[mossy zinc]

Sure, but if that Cast makes the difference between your Attack killing or not, then you'd wanna throw that in.

[forest token]

zyru's guide said to throw a cast into the tankier enemies lol

mainly armored and bosses

[mossy zinc]

It's somewhat free 125 damage.

[forest token]

so you just weave it in if you can

[mossy zinc]

50 from bloodstone and +50% from Infernal.

[wispy blade]

then i shall practice aiming cast with wasd

[mossy zinc]

Anything that would die if you just did 125 more damage lol.

[wispy blade]

its so weird to need to be moving towards your enemy to attack them

[mossy zinc]

Well, depending on distance, your Attack can end up hitting before your Cast.

But that's still +50 damage.

[wispy blade]

i get phalanx at some point which probably doesn't help

[mossy zinc]

That does help a lot. Phalanx Shot is amazing.

Well, idk about Phalanx Shot on KBM.

[wispy blade]

for damage yes but isn't it slow

[forest token]

it speeds up as it goes along

[wispy blade]

and deflect

[mossy zinc]

Deflect damage is amazing.

[forest token]

also yeah you have a giant deflect orb

[mossy zinc]

And you can be a lot more aggressive because you don't need to move out of the way of enemy attacks.

[forest token]

throw it into ely archers and you'll get good damage, boiling blood, and vague arrow protection

[mossy zinc]

You just throw it at them, get Boiling Blood, AOE damage, and a lot of deflects usually.

The fact that the orb remains in front of you for a short moment before speeding up is actually really helpful.

Because it's just chilling there deflecting everything before it goes in. So your timing doesn't need to be perfect.

Startup is also good enough that you can deflect a lot of attacks on reaction even with FO2.

Which can let you be more aggressive or save your butt if dashes are on cooldown.

Well, I can react.

[wispy blade]

despite having played copious amounts of rhythm games i still have a pretty bad reaction time

[mossy zinc]

As #2 on the Hades - Average Simple Response time leaderboard, I probably shouldn't jump to conclusions about what others can react to.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12_2L5sZGreuR-1MElSpPiVK6893SIq_oXp8AelLVvco/edit?usp=sharing

[forest token]

try speedrunning lol maybe it'll help

[wispy blade]

I have like eye problems and a fine motor disorder and stuff

[forest token]

ah rip

my bad

[wispy blade]

got 207 lol

[mossy zinc]

What name do you wanna use on the leaderboard?

[wispy blade]

oh ok

jazz

might as well make that my nick here

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations on 19th place!

[wispy blade]

lol

maybe it's the meds

[wanton pebble]

150... u r a gamer

[mossy zinc]

👸🏽

[wanton pebble]

202 was my best time... after 5 tries

[modest wharf]

once I did that reaction test and I got so anxious and jittery waiting for it that I accidentally clicked and it lit up right before I did

[mossy zinc]

Was that the average it showed at the end?

[mossy zinc]

I've had a couple of startle reflexes before when doing the test. Used to do it every few days for fun to keep track.

Startle reflex can be easily under 100 ms.

Just not something that you can deliberately recreate when doing the test lol.

[wanton pebble]

yes, and by 5 tries i mean 5 averages

[mossy zinc]

Congratulations on 17th place! You're tied with @hoary pasture, so you're in good company.

[mossy zinc]

Btw alternatively if that doesn't work out, just swap to Stygian Soul.

[light sedge]

So there's something I noticed that I'm hoping you guys can confirm. Whenever you take a chaos portal, the laurels offered when leaving Chaos are of the same quality as those of the room you took the portal. Did anyone else notice this? I think it's the same with Erebus.

This can have some interesting applications since it can technically function as a scuffed fated authority of sorts because the laurel rewards are different but the color of the laurel remain the same.

[mossy zinc]

That's a question for @solemn pulsar, I think.

I can't say I've noticed it, but I didn't pay attention either.

[solemn pulsar]

it's not true

it's more that (especially with dark foresight on) when you're getting blue laurels on doors, taking chaos/erebus counts as a gold laurel, so the game still "wants" to give a blue laurel, it just gets pushed back a room

what does happen with erebus gates is even if the exit would have been blue laurel upon unlocking they swap to gold to "match" the erebus

this is not the case for chaos despite chaos counting as a gold

[light sedge]

Ah didn't know chaos gates have a gold laurel value
Makes sense since they're boons

[forest token]

By extension does dark foresight make you see chaos 20% more often lol

[mossy zinc]

Thanks, cgull who is totally not a seagull but a human.

[hoary pasture]

No

[forest token]

Scammed

Cringe and unbased

[cosmic olive]

How do you know all of that?

[quartz mantle]

Cgull is a smart man who has read the Hades code many times

[cosmic olive]

Ooooh, I see ! How the blue and gold bag are separated?

[mossy zinc]

Yes. Definitely a man and not a seagull.

[forest token]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

more indepth explanation there

[light sedge]

Is there a Pythongull too?

[mossy zinc]

I've seen no evidence that there isn't a pythongull.

Therefore, there must be one.

[cosmic olive]

Thanks !

[solemn pulsar]

i am pythongull most of the day

[mossy zinc]

@forest token I remap Special to square/X and Attack to circle/B for Charged Flight Beowulf btw.

[forest token]

I play kbm lol

My special is right click

[mossy zinc]

Ah.

Well, that's your own fault.

[forest token]

Always

[mossy zinc]

If you don't want my advice, fine, I'll never give it to you again.

This was the last time, ever.

[forest token]

I'm sorry

I'll do it again next time

[mossy zinc]

jazz — Today at 2:46 AM
why js3 cf1?
@wispy blade JS3 kinda free, and CF1 lets me buy things.

It's modded anyway, so 2-sack is guaranteed.

With like 4-sack I might have been concerned about JS3.

[wispy blade]

UTC?

[dry cedar]

With 10 attempts I averaged 193 with my best being 169 on my second try.

[mossy zinc]

GGs! I'll add your time tomorrow when I've had some sleep.

[wanton pebble]

i feel like FO and TD is free heat...

[forest token]

Fo is free heat once you get used to it

[mossy zinc]

It's free when there's nothing else lol.

TD3 and AP2 are ultimately why high heat becomes so reset-heavy after a certain point.

[wanton pebble]

im still afraid of taking AP and UC

like, i still want to explore boons

[wispy blade]

UC isn't that bad if you don't forget about it and wind up leaving tart with just your attack dash and hyper sprint

[idle hound]

Fun builds on Eris for my last 32h?

[forest token]

clockets lol

hard reset for rocket bomb first hammer and then reset in ely if you dont get cluster bomb

[idle hound]

I ask more gods really

I dont mind bad hammers

[forest token]

i mean it's just the typical rail build

lightning strike

aphro/arty special

tdash

you build it the same way you'd build luci

[idle hound]

Ok

Deathballin'

[wispy blade]

dio atk aph special

[forest token]

or that

[mossy zinc]

Easiest hammer to win with is Delta Chamber.

[wispy blade]

whatever that duo is

[mossy zinc]

Because i-frames on Dash-Strikes.

[forest token]

low tolerance

[mossy zinc]

But Rocket + Cluster is better if you have both.

Because delete enemy button.

[wispy blade]

do 50 heat

[forest token]

rn

[wispy blade]

with hazard eris

[forest token]

true

[mossy zinc]

Speaking of 50, did you do that Charged Flight run yet?

[forest token]

oh i forgot about that

i'll do one now

[mossy zinc]

Or did you forsake the idea after getting barrel-rolled.

[forest token]

i was gonna do it but then i saw pos on the c2 door

so i did a normal beo run with arty start lmao

[mossy zinc]

Smh.

[hexed sapphire]

Dread flight

[forest token]

i have died to heroes

[mossy zinc]

Have you tried not doing that?

[forest token]

yeah

didn't work

[mossy zinc]

I can't relate to why you would willingly choose to die to them.

Personally, I find defeating them helps a lot with clearing runs.

So I just do that.

[hexed sapphire]

^

Freeroes

[mossy zinc]

#buffChiron

[forest token]

#nerfChiron

[mossy zinc]

#deleteAspectofBananas

[forest token]

whomst?

[mossy zinc]

It worked.

[idle hound]

Man i suck at Eris

I'm reckless as hell

Anyway finally beat 32heat on all aspects and got last badge

I uuhh, expected it all to keep me busy until at least close to Hades 2 release xD

[forest token]

that's how you play eris lmao

[forest token]

well the obvious solution is 40 heat now

or speedrunning

or 50 heat

[idle hound]

Or both

[forest token]

at the same time

[idle hound]

I think I'll meme a bit for now

[forest token]

fair

[mossy zinc]

Do it on 40 Heat or it doesn't count.

[idle hound]

Watch me

OH GODS THE PAIN

[idle hound]

unfair

laser hit me through pillar

wtf

[mossy zinc]

Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:

HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3

That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.

In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.

So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.

Might help btw.

[idle hound]

no problem with pact on my end tbh

only bad dodges and t h a t laser doing wonders

[mossy zinc]

Could have stood on top of him instead of hiding.

[idle hound]

it was 3 laser and i couldnt go behind him on time

[mossy zinc]

What about dashing to the side.

[idle hound]

in hindsight, yeah

it was a wide angle, i chose to go pillar and use dio aid

it didnt work out because the laser did that for the first time ever

it caught me off guard for sure

[mossy zinc]

Isometric perspective issues probably.

[idle hound]

pillars in general are hard to angle right sometimes

yep

[mossy zinc]

Which I don't have.

[idle hound]

also hadnt played fo2 in a loooong time

[mossy zinc]

[idle hound]

T_T

[mossy zinc]

Ah yeah, that'll do that.

Well, you got him to phase 2 part 1. Just gotta go again.

Good luck!

[idle hound]

yeah, for a first try 40 h that was surprisingly far

[idle hound]

still mad about that, it was a great run

[mossy zinc]

Any time you're mad at not beating 40 Heat first try, remember that was WR at one point.

[wispy blade]

were they doing like ri2 ap2 on gilga or something??

[forest token]

It took me 2 tries to beat 40 on beo and I died to lernie lmao

[idle hound]

gods pride and legacy should be 100% guaranteed on first applicable pickup

just saying

[hoary pasture]

Yea 100% legacy on first pickup would be great

[main junco]

So i'm on heat 3 now, so the first heat i did the foes do 20% more damage the second time i did the you have to purge one boon before entering the next place so what should i do for heat 3

[mossy zinc]

High heat usually starts at 32 btw.

There's a guide for heat progression in the pins.

First pin, by RidiculousHat.

[shy plinth]

[hoary pasture]

[mossy zinc]

Nobody was talking to you.

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