Got Hourglass tho.
#h1-high-heat-strategies
severe wedge
whats that
mossy zinc
You'd have been finer if you'd started Heartbreak Strike like I said lol.
Then you could have gone for Divine Dash in Asphodel.
And things would be a lot more chill, and you'd do better damage.
timber beacon
And things would be a lot more chill, and you'd do better damage.
F.
I will remember to follow what Sensei says next time.
Probably...
severe wedge
Dmg resistance, goes up by 2 till 80, starts at 20%
wait u dont even have to do anytbing to unlock that
what's the purpose of it
forest token
It's to make playing the game easier
mossy zinc
It's just easy mode lol.
forest token
For those more invested in the story than gameplay lol
severe wedge
doesnt that defeat the purpose of heat tho
left prism
even skelly mentions its existence early in a save file
modest wharf
challenge is self imposed, really
forest token
doesnt that defeat the purpose of heat tho
Yeah well it's their choice lmao let them play how they want
mossy zinc
The pact still adds variety.
mossy zinc
No.
forest token
Wait no it's not additive yeah
mossy zinc
Lol
mossy zinc
HL5 with 80% damage reduction, you take 40% damage lol.
timber beacon
Taking hl4 and god mode tho would cancel itself out tho lol
And that’s exactly what I got on lol.
timber beacon
Basically hl2 lmao
Pfft.
mossy zinc
HL is additive, and then damage reduction is multiplicative.
mossy zinc
Attack.
mossy zinc
Look out for Static Discharge and Smoldering Air first and foremost now.
timber beacon
I'll come back for you Sweet Vengeance...
timber beacon
Look out for Static Discharge and Smoldering Air first and foremost now.
kk.
mossy zinc
And double down on Centaur Hearts.
Since they're even more valuable now with Life Affirmation.
Oh right, you already have Static Discharge. Even better.
timber beacon
Since they're even more valuable now with Life Affirmation.
I did and I freaking rolled Elysium with Rush Kick.
mossy zinc
Nice.
timber beacon
And I only have one death defy...
modest wharf
hope for patty
timber beacon
Spearpoint or Tooth?
severe wedge
No. It's 40% damage, not +40% lol.
so even w hl5 on he takes -60% damage? wtf
timber beacon
hope for patty
Patty's long gone, I finished Ely.
timber beacon
so even w hl5 on he takes -60% damage? wtf
Indeed.
mossy zinc
Purge boon > check Well.
timber beacon
Purge boon > check Well.
kk.
severe wedge
is there a heat that disables that, otherwise all the 62+ heat runners could use it right
mossy zinc
Only switch keepsake after checking the Well.
mossy zinc
is there a heat that disables that, otherwise all the 62+ heat runners could use...
I mean it's not leaderboard legal lol.
timber beacon
mossy zinc
Buy the DD and the Ichor. Ichor always good.
left prism
is there a heat that disables that, otherwise all the 62+ heat runners could use...
hell mode disables it too
mossy zinc
Then grab Lucky Tooth.
mossy zinc
I mean if you can afford it as well, sure.
mossy zinc
Lord Zeus first.
timber beacon
Lord Zeus first.
kk.
mossy zinc
Can use a summon on the miniboss.
Keep in mind you have MM on, so two minibosses will spawn.
Unless it's Tiny Vermin.
timber beacon
Unless it's Tiny Vermin.
It was tiny vermin, lol.
\
Also Billowing strenghth rii?
mossy zinc
Did you see what's in the Styx shop?
timber beacon
I uhhh... kinda killed him too fast...
timber beacon
Did you see what's in the Styx shop?
Ares, Hermes poms, I don't remember what eslse
timber beacon
Billowing Strength then.
kk
mossy zinc
Then take the Obols tunnel for the other miniboss.
timber beacon
mossy zinc
Ah.
timber beacon
Then take the Obols tunnel for the other miniboss.
Still?
mossy zinc
Buy the Lord Zeus boon.
timber beacon
Buy the Lord Zeus boon.
kk.
mossy zinc
Electric Shot would have been better after all because better odds for Smoldering Air that way, but it's alright.
Build is already decent.
timber beacon
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timber beacon
Build is already decent.
Ye.
mossy zinc
Yep, Double Strike.
mossy zinc
Nah.
mossy zinc
Buy both.
timber beacon
Did you get the sack?
kk.
timber beacon
Did you get the sack?
Not yet, lol.
mossy zinc
Get the Centaur Heart then.
timber beacon
Get the Centaur Heart then.
dkk.
timber beacon
Get the Centaur Heart then.
Still no sack lol.
I can afford pom, save obols or buy?
mossy zinc
Save for now.
jaunty falcon
Yes
timber beacon
What's your HP at?
236 out of 359
timber beacon
And how many obols?
267\
mossy zinc
Buy the healing, yeah. And Nail of Talos.
timber beacon
Buy the healing, yeah. And Nail of Talos.
kk.
timber beacon
Buy the healing, yeah. And Nail of Talos.
Ai, Poseidon tunnel had the sack.
I got 189 obols.
mossy zinc
Just buy the pom, yeah. Can't afford anything else.
You have a good build, but don't play too recklessly. Just focus on a clean fight.
Good luck! 
left prism
have fun and dont say hi to hypnos too early
timber beacon
Good luck! <:dusa:522248771409543188>
kk.
timber beacon
have fun and dont say hi to hypnos too early
Lel
cursive portal
idle hound
Not another zag spear situation xD
hexed sapphire
u can have a boon on special but speccing into it is just not worth it optimally
:P
idle hound
It really is another zag spear scenario
mossy zinc
Just grab a special so other specials appear less
You usually don't wanna do that because you want to pick boons that are actually doing something for you. Filling slots just to fill them is very rarely ever worth it.
marsh shore
I mean if the other boons are also useless might as well
mossy zinc
If that happens frequently, you're picking up boons you shouldn't be picking up. 
It'll often open up Duo Boons you don't want, and you'd also rather pick up anything that's not pommable than a core slot that's not doing anything for you.
Anyway, for Chaos Aspect with Heartbreak Strike start, you could slap on Drunken Flourish if you come across it for quick Hangover stacks on bosses. Maybe Frost Flourish for quick Chill stacks.
If you don't find Charged Shot, the Special isn't quite as obsolete anyway. Especially if you have Explosive Return.
idle hound
Trying that today
mossy zinc
Thunder Flourish into Static Discharge is a common pick.
idle hound
Ties naturally into SAir too
mossy zinc
Yup.
idle hound
botched first attempts at chaos chield 32h (died to furies),
but second is going fine, epic aphro atk, zeus spec
with zeus aid to boot
beat by than in asphodel, oh boy im weak
forest token
this is why we dont use chaos
left prism
add charged shot
idle hound
trying, no luck with hammer, though i got breaching, which is more than welcome
heyooo charged shot found
i've uuuh never used it
forest token
wdym you never used cshot lmao
did you just complete the prophecy for it or something
idle hound
yyyep
mossy zinc
Just do min charges. Either standing Attack > min charge or charge from a Dash-Attack.
idle hound
ok
mossy zinc
You do 80 base damage regardless of how long you charge. So if you release asap, you can do more Charged Shots in the same time.
Hence more DPS.
idle hound
ive been sniping a bit though through elysium, dont feel so safe this run
asterius scared me for a bit
mossy zinc
Although someties you wanna charge a bit to pierce multiple enemies that are lined up.
idle hound
ill have oportunities now in styx
thanks
done
not as smooth as zag spear
but i bodied boss lol
blocking is still very useful
any particular boon for Talos or just the usual punchout?
forest token
you can do either zap, drunk, or ME for talos
and special isn't too great, so what you want to do is hit the special and dash immediately
that way it brings the enemy to you but doesn't do the uppercut hit, which is longer on talos than on other fists
i'd like to point out that so far, you've asked for 3 builds on 3 different aspects that all have somewhat useless specials lmao
idle hound
which is really sad because those aspects are all about their specials 😦
usually i use talos as a castpect: cast, pull with special, dash atk
didnt know uppercut was longer on talos
i promise next weapon will have an useful special
forest token
lmfao
using talos as a castpect works for the most part i think
except against bosses, doesn't do too hot
idle hound
get this: i go for curse of drowning
idle hound
tuna too
idle hound
i can try in the future, for now ill go with zap atk
idle hound
doom is too slow to proc for my liking
forest token
CoD is taken in speedrun builds after you get the ME duo tho lol
CoD or Deadly Reversal are generally 2nd duos you look for, but dont really care if you dont get
forest token
yeah that's what you generally build into for zap fists
idle hound
shop has hammer or demeter boon
forest token
dem isn't useful
forest token
yeah probably
idle hound
ah well, next hammer i guess
forest token
next hammer you'd rather get breaching cross or long knuckle cope lol
idle hound
hey i like long knuckle 😠
forest token
i mean it is good
but breaching is generally better
unless you're doing em4, in which case you'd rather have long knuckle for the fight
breaching prob isn't as good if it's like, end of ely/styx because it's not that useful except for styx miniboss and dadds
mossy zinc
usually i use talos as a castpect: cast, pull with special, dash atk
Talos is Attack/Cast hybrid tbh. Best builds in that diretion are probably Blizzard Shot and Black Out.
Strongest build overall on Talos is Merciful End though lol.
idle hound
oh ok ok
mossy zinc
Blizzard Shot weakness is it knocks enemies out of its AOE. Talos just lets you pull them back in.
But at the same time, the Blizzard Shots make sure the enemies don't actually reach you. It's pretty safe. And boss damage can be great.
idle hound
for now im locked into zap aphro, but ill try it in the future too
in my impatience, twice i've missed extra lives with athena
ugh
not that i've needed them yet, but man if i did....
and cope long knuck lol
forest token
based
forest token
oh boi
idle hound
cleared, i hope heroes are lenient
worth it though, finally got zeus aid
aaand next room fountain with SAir
clear
mossy zinc
Still good without it, but so much better with it.
hoary pasture
good at timing out
mossy zinc
At 32 probably can't blame the aspect if you're timing out.
forest token
fair
hoary pasture
rip guess I suck
forest token
can't time out if you take td0 🧠
hoary pasture
I'd need a bigger challenge than 32
mossy zinc
He been waiting for this day.
forest token
mossy zinc
Got the receipts even.
hoary pasture
Did you win
hoary pasture
oh
forest token
i have no idea how to do em4 properly
hoary pasture
yea me neither
forest token
i have trouble avoiding the attacks because i dont know what the attacks are lmao
mossy zinc
My EM4 strat is get good build with +3 dashes and continue to not learn the fight while winning.
hoary pasture
Alright Ill do it
First you have to go to your shield menu
And choose the 4th thing
dont worry about it
forest token
My EM4 strat is get good build with +3 dashes and continue to not learn the figh...
i got close with lightning rod lol
rapid hawk
yeah basically you have to do fight until you learn the fight, pretty much same as when you first got to the fight
mossy zinc
And choose the 4th thing
Still technically the Shield of Chaos.
forest token
got a point there
hoary pasture
Yes
forest token
yeah basically you have to do fight until you learn the fight, pretty much same ...
yeah except i dont feel like doing that
esp with chaos shield
mossy zinc
yeah basically you have to do fight until you learn the fight, pretty much same ...
No need to learn the fight when you can just delete his HP bar.
Bars, even.
forest token
how do you delete hp bar with chaos aspect
hoary pasture
Alright here goes
forest token
lmao have fun
hoary pasture
I dont expect to delete anything tbh
Maybe ill delete the game
afterwards
lmao
forest token
are you doing hl5 or 4
rapid hawk
if you're doing the shield, just hold the attack button and block everything, fight won
mossy zinc
Get Charged Shot and err... 4-5 Strike boons from Master Chaos. And Smair with Splitting Bolt.
or something.
forest token
lmfao
forest token
if you're doing the shield, just hold the attack button and block everything, fi...
that didn't work lmao
i mean i only got to dad like 2 or 3 times?
not a lot of attempts
but dealing with cp2 dc2 js3 the whole run isn't fun
rapid hawk
if your goal is to beat em4, do it first with just em4
forest token
I think it's fun.
the fun was starting to die off on the 4th attempt so i just stopped lol
forest token
oh its lc0
hell yeah buddy take those DDs
mossy zinc
if your goal is to beat em4, do it first with just em4
Nah, that's so far from EM4 in high heat pacts that it's legit kinda useless for practice lol.
rapid hawk
I mean if he doesn't know the fight even
forest token
i have no intention in learning the fight
i've done just em4 before
i beat it with fists first, then beo like a year or so later
if you choose a good aspect, em4 is easy
rapid hawk
forest token
also the other pacts make it suck more
hl5, cp2, fo2
also beo is so much stronger than chaos aspect lmao
get mirage shot, and it's instaphasing time
rapid hawk
i have trouble avoiding the attacks because i dont know what the attacks are lma...
I was basing my assumptions on this lol
thought you're doing it for the first time
carry on then
mossy zinc
wait do I do it with special
Boonless hammerless.
Imagine that was the whole game: boonless hammerless Chaos Aspect.
hoary pasture
no 
forest token
wait do I do it with special
I used cshot
vernal scroll
guys I need a strong build I am bored zeus-posedion-artemis
shy plinth
Why those 3? What heat?
vernal scroll
Why those 3? What heat?
Im making too op builds with these 3 mainly
vernal scroll
Are you pushing high heat or just exploring the game?
I am exploring the game with high heat 😄
16 heat
shy plinth
We're happy to help but this channel definitely focuses on 32+ heat strategies, if you're newer to the game or looking more for offbeat build ideas there might be value in asking #h1-builds-and-combat
shy plinth
It's alright 🙂
I generally recommend against pigeonholing on specific gods too hard
Athena shows up a lot in higher heat pushes because her survivability tools are really strong
But otherwise, there are a lot of different ways to go
vernal scroll
I am going to max all keepsakes so I will make random builds I think
shy plinth
A reasonable start
vernal scroll
I have only 5x 3 star keepsake 3x 2 star keepsake 😄 zeus poseidon artemis lucky tooth and athena is 5 star
severe wedge
All I have left for 32x24 are Hestia and Beo, the 2 hardest aspects in the game smh
shy plinth
I assume that is a meme lol
severe wedge
Any tips on Hestia? Easily my least used aspect, I genuinely don't think I've even used it more than once or twice, and the one time I did I think I only won from using it like the other Rails
forest token
You can get through 32 hestia with just m1 reload spam without optimization
shy plinth
Yeah hestia is pretty straightforward and pretty good
I don't think you'll have any trouble with it
forest token
At a very basic level of skill hestia will work fine lol
severe wedge
I assume that is a meme lol
no those are genuinely the only 2 I have left (technically I did some Aspects only on 40 heat but Im not gonna bother to redo them at a lower heat)
forest token
Reload cancel animation with dash/special, which is common for every rail
shy plinth
Well they are not the hardest aspects in the game for sure
forest token
Hestia has a very high skill ceiling but you don't have to be cracked to make it work
shy plinth
They're both quite powerful
severe wedge
It's just weird for me bc I'm best with fast attacking weapons whereas Hestia you have to pause to reload and fire once at a time
shy plinth
I mean you can also just keep shooting
forest token
As long as you don't take js DC or cp you'll be fine
shy plinth
But typically I just dash+reload+special all at once
hoary pasture
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919177029411299338/1068270192322420766/image.png there you go mr banana @forest token
hexed sapphire
You can get through 32 hestia with just m1 reload spam without optimization
m1 reload spam and using special off cooldown works at 60
forest token
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/919177029411299338/1068270192322420766/im...
Damn I'm bad at the game
shy plinth
My goodness this pact
hexed sapphire
replace hl4 with ri2 🔥
severe wedge
im using an xbox pro controller, what's the best layout for hestia
forest token
I'd assume same as eris to keep the reload handy
hexed sapphire
i use l2 reload
shy plinth
Where do you normally map reload
As long as it's like... anything but default, you should be fine
I moved it over to left stick but a lot of gun gamers swear by left trigger buttons
hexed sapphire
i use r2 attack
modest wharf
I replaced codex with reload, just the easiest thing to give up being on an easy button for me
hoary pasture
where is that
jaunty falcon
LB
mossy zinc
I moved it over to left stick but a lot of gun gamers swear by left trigger butt...
That's what I use currently because my L1 and L2 don't work, and it's kinda awful. 
hoary pasture
severe wedge
ok Hestia done
shy plinth
Not so bad, right?
severe wedge
yeah it's a great aspect, just weird to get used to
but tbf I had like the most broken build known to man and still nearly lost bc I went overtime after getting a 4 sack in Styx
severe wedge
I'd assume same as eris to keep the reload handy
About that, I have a bit of an embarrassing confession to make
I usually keep reload unmapped or oeave it where it is by default, bc I never use it. I just let the game auto reload for me on Eris
mossy zinc
Hestia can be pretty damn fast if you have the practice with it, but it's also pretty slow if you don't.
idle hound
and if feels like playing the piano on your keyboard if you go full throttle with the input rotation
severe wedge
I also did have to wait to get killed in the 1st Styx miniboss so I could get an Athena defiance
and having 3 tunneos after that slowed me down a lot too
mossy zinc
Get your HP down on the way to the miniboss.
Snakestones or poison, a bite here and there, maybe a trap.
severe wedge
i didnt have ToSD so I thought that's kinda dangerous no? like if u take rapid damage and die then u could die again
forest token
It's only 32 heat you won't have to deal with multiple waves in Styx unless it's a bunch of rats
severe wedge
no i meant like against the miniboss
if i have low hp then die while taking rapid damage i could just die again rigjt
mossy zinc
i didnt have ToSD so I thought that's kinda dangerous no? like if u take rapid d...
That's where experience comes in. You wouldn't want to bring your HP down so much that you think you might throw the run to the miniboss. But getting it a bit lower beforehand can make things a bit faster.
shy gulch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvhAsiTUnEg&ab_channel=HadesSpeedrunningHallofShame somewhat relevant
forest token
Lmfao misjudging waves is such a pain
shy plinth
if i have low hp then die while taking rapid damage i could just die again rigjt
If you have cleared 50 I would be shocked if this happened to you on 32
forest token
I did that in an Ely room with armored shieldbros
mossy zinc
If you have cleared 50 I would be shocked if this happened to you on 32
Depending on your pact, the miniboss fights are more or less the same.
wispy blade
can nem deal with dc
forest token
not really
what heat are you doing
if there aren't any better choices then could consider it
wispy blade
just a question
quartz mantle
A good answer to that question requires context
dc on nem isn't better than a tier or two of JS, and especially isn't better than HL, HS or TD
wispy blade
is there a significant difference between dc1 and dc2
quartz mantle
but once you start hitting heats as high as 50+ you can take 1 tier of dc if you're planning on resetting/modding for double edge
1 attack vs 2 attacks is pretty big
Beo tends to take DC1 at 50 but not DC2 till it hits closer to 60
forest token
is there a significant difference between dc1 and dc2
depends most of the time
nonhestia rails can deal with it fine for the most part
beo can "comfortably" deal with dc1, dc2 would just negate a cast basically
quartz mantle
Double Edge Nem hits through DC1 and deals damage with one attack, with DC2 it takes two attacks to start dealing damage
wispy blade
it's the diff between absorbing a special and a special + dstrike right
forest token
basically yeah
wispy blade
what's the special base damage
forest token
wanna say like 40 or 50
forest token
it's 50
but even tho it's good damage, at the point where taking dc is optimal, youll just be killing a lot of time
you're likely to run out of time in tart and/or ely
wispy blade
oh yeah i forgot about time
forest token
i'd generally just never consider taking dc1 or dc2 unless you're doing rama, zeus shield, fists, or nonhestia rail
eh
beo doesn't have to
if you do em4 instead of ap2 dc1
we just chose not to learn em4 and relied on modded
em4 is 4 heat
ap2 is 3
dc1 is 1
wispy blade
extremely cool how i quit out and instead the game crashes
forest token
yeah that happens on modded sometimes
wispy blade
man
this modded thing sucks
literally the only thing that seems to work is the first boon 4 option thing
forest token
what
everything literally works fine
wdym "what"
ap2 dc1 is 4
idk what you're confused about
wispy blade
i dont get the hammers, i get 5sacked
forest token
i dont get the hammers, i get 5sacked
did you check your settings
ap1 is 2 ap2 is 3
wispy blade
it worked before i updated the installer to the new ver
but without it i cant use other mods
the files precisely match what's in the folder
the folder that you download i mean
i checked
forest token
ask the modding discord then
wispy blade
eh
forest token
because i've had the mod for at least a year or something at this point and everything is fine
didn't update or do anything
mossy zinc
can nem deal with dc
DC on Nemesis, you'd start to look into taking things like Drunken Strike, Blade Dash... If you need to change the builds just to better deal with the pact, it's not great to take it.
hexed sapphire
it kinda works with dedge but that means you hae to get dedge
idle hound
What method is best for Zeus shield?
Throwing and attacking, having the shield chase you, etc?
forest token
What method is best for Zeus shield?
read everything baj has to say basically
there's a video of him playing if you go down a bit as well
forest token
ngl i didn't consciously think of grouping much when i played zeus
idle hound
Neither me
forest token
in general for every aspect, grouping is good lmao
baj went more in depth into like, how to group iirc
idle hound
Yeah, but i do recall being a bit frustrated having to reset disc
idle hound
I could also just go 32h and wing it, but my perfectionist side would yell at me like a retired gymnastics coach
shy plinth
The goal here is actually to remove the perceived elevation of 32 heat as a reach goal and instead to normalize it
If you want a 32 heat to be routine, do them routinely
idle hound
Good point
Given my progress this week, yeah I think i can and probably should do it like you say
forest token
do 32 heat easy
mossy zinc
If you want a 32 heat to be routine, do them routinely
When are you going to do 51 Heat?
shy plinth
After I do 50
timber beacon
shy plinth
Okay then after I do 49
idle hound
zeus 32H going surprisingly smooth in spite of a slow tartarus and not finding hearthbreak strike until literally before Heroes.
Got SAir early anyways
im not confident with my hammer choices tbh
wallop and pulverize
timber beacon
Got SAir early anyways
My cursed run usually pops off in Elysium, current issue is surviving Hades, I think I just need to upgrade my summon.
timber beacon
wallop and pulverize
Lucky anvil?
timber beacon
Ah, fair.
timber beacon
F
mossy zinc
I like Ferocious Guard more than Dashing Wallop tbh.
Pulverizing Blow is great, though; no need to Anvil that and risk losing it.
idle hound
true i just never take anvil so i was like eh why not
shield hammers arent crippling at least
timber beacon
true i just never take anvil so i was like eh why not
The Fates will guide you.
idle hound
victory
shy plinth
See this is what I'm sayin Cinna
It isn't an oppressive challenge that you have to work up for
It's just a run!
idle hound
indeed
idle hound
breaching slash on arthur letsgooooo
timber beacon
Good job making it that far
I'LL DO IT!!!
timber beacon
breaching slash on arthur letsgooooo
timber beacon
Good job making it that far
'Preciate it honestly, when I first picked it I thought I was being cowardly for not nerfing myself.
shy plinth
You actually picked a lot of the hardest pacts in the game
timber beacon
it feels good
Yeah, dusa always means good.
timber beacon
You actually picked a lot of the hardest pacts in the game
Niiiiiice!!!!
idle hound
High Security is just punishment for slipping
shy plinth
dont tell me its bad
I don't know the consensus eval but my simple logic says that +300% damage on arthur is good
sharp jackal
idle hound
reading comprehension without tone is something im really bad at :I
i thought it meant irony till now
shy plinth
Text is not possible to comprehend fully without clarification
But also if anyone ever uses Dusa to mean that something is bad, let me know
I just wanna talk to em
idle hound
hahahaha
will report
almost died to lernie again, 9hp left
it really is the checkpoint. And i was with arthur health this tim
reckless
died to spearmen
F
shy plinth
Rip
idle hound
i dont kite
shy plinth
I remember someone asked me what the best way to avoid getting hit by spearmen was
And I said "don't stand in front of them"
I have no idea how to not get hit by them on fo2 other than putting myself in a position where they cannot hit me well before their attack animation begins
idle hound
thats why i go with fo1
but yeah i just stood there like a tool
3rd boon is heart rend wooooooo
im likely to sell it, aphro atk
Double nova or Hoarding slash?
shy plinth
Not hoarding slash
idle hound
hahahah ok
yeah the numbers just... dont number at all
cool for Melinoe challenge though
Ok one more question
approaching asphodel, pool is Aphro, Artemis, Demeter, Ares.
what would you go for?
forest token
if you're having lernie trouble, tooth
otherwise, try and get zeus call for smair
idle hound
thought so
forcing zeus
dont think im getting smair though, few cores
died to heroes
really not diggin arthur yet, need to attune more to it
forest token
Are you doing fo2
forest token
That's fair
forest token
Just wondering because if you were doing fo2 on Arthur that would explain the struggle a bit
Are you trying to do all aspects 32 or just weapons
shy plinth
really not diggin arthur yet, need to attune more to it
Do you know how to do the "dragging dash" where you buffer regular attack hits with dashes
Instead of dash and attack at the same time you can do the big swings and dash in between them
Peachhead vods great for this
idle hound
oooooh didnt know that
i do drag novas, but not atks
ill do that
ok they are cool , different rythm, i like it
reminds me of bayonetta lol
out of Elysium, finally
for once i equip tooth and i dont even pop it
forest token
Rip
hexed sapphire
everything was a dream except for 2nd hammer
idle hound
wtf is THAT
hexed sapphire
ikr its such a cheaty build for approval process 2
idle hound
this is sooo much beyond my understading xD
😮
how much time is generally required for EM4 CP15% ?
forest token
5 centuries
hoary pasture
Luci EM4 is pretty rough so you're probably gonna play a bit on the safer side
hexed sapphire
how much time is generally required for EM4 CP15% ?
on lucifer it's like 5:30 minutes lmao
hoary pasture
Especially with no pat
hexed sapphire
5:30-6
hoary pasture
And summons are a pain
hexed sapphire
its insta death if its bball
luci isnt a shield
on the bright side i'm super cracked at predicting where things will go with my luci balls now
idle hound
Going next 32h guanyu, aphro special. What do i do about health? Ignore hearts?
hoary pasture
You'll still want hearts
Just play it like you'd play any other 32
It's pretty safe
hexed sapphire
its like aoe hestia
mossy zinc
FO0 and just no-hit the run.
mossy zinc
Yep, Guan-Yuing.
idle hound
im surprised tbh
mossy zinc
There's a lot of anti Guan Yu propaganda.
The HP penalty eventually becomes too harsh as you go up in Heat, but it's pretty strong before that.
And at low level, the HP penalty is too harsh, of course.
idle hound
yeah, its really cheap with the right hammer and an epic aphro flourish lol
so im at the sweet spot level wise
hydra secured
it's funny how ive gone from being ddash dependent to sair dependant
i almost got killed by shieldbearer
low health is still no jooke
glass cannon
mossy zinc
it's funny how ive gone from being ddash dependent to sair dependant
Yeah, Divine Dash doesn't help with DPS lol.
But it's still great.
Ideally you have both.
idle hound
thats the dream
clear
omg, the tension throughout the whole run
every encounter since elysium had me on edge
shy plinth
every encounter since elysium had me on edge
Luckily, it was spear. So it turns out you were actually on point
idle hound
HAHAHHAHAHAHHSHSH
mossy zinc
Very observant.
idle hound
I love you
mossy zinc
Why, thank you. But my heart belongs to Lady Aphrodite. 
idle hound
as do all of ours in the end
shy plinth
I love you
forest token
@stuck jackal at 32 heat, with a good pact, most of the trouble would be the normal rooms because of how random they are. bad BP combos can hurt, and SD helps a lot with that. boss fights are some of the more consistent fights in the game, so it's easier to not get hit on those fights. SD requires you to have better boss fights, and at this point in the game you should be at least somewhat consistent if you're trying 32 heat.
also as mentioned, touch of styx dark from patty gives you a lot of insurance for dad fight if it lasts that long. acorn is also extremely good for em3 and dad fight.
also, SD lets you be a bit more reckless, which can be useful with tight deadline 3. when using DDs, the tendency is to play more careful to preserve them, which can lead to slow rooms and fights
stuck jackal
yeah that makes sense
forest token
also with lc4, you wouldn't have needed to taken em4, which is the hardest fight in the game
even if you enter with 3 dds, there's still no guarantee you make it out of that fight
not to mention that ap1 makes you have a less optimal build to begin with
stuck jackal
ive spent so much time running em4 that just now when i went back to shield to get bounties with just TD i went into the champions and just crushed them and went excuse me what lol
havent finished the run yet
ill try it out
haughty sky
it’s 32 just don’t run bp2
shy plinth
Or, do
shy plinth
It's hard to find that heat elsewhere
forest token
more often it'll be relatively free than harmful
stuck jackal
the only time ive had issues with BP2 is early on when you get clone skull rooms
especially on things like coronacht
forest token
yeah sometimes it sucks, but more often than not you'll be fine
stuck jackal
yeah
i dont think em4 was that hard either btw
it was mostly just not getting the boons i wanted pommed like i wanted between AP and UC
forest token
this is why we dont take ap lmao
but also em4 is still relatively difficult compared to what other pacts you can take
stuck jackal
my biggest issue was panicking
before that it was running out of time
i dont like the bow
i dont know why i tried to force it so hard
haughty sky
forest token
are you dash striking
haughty sky
peak 32 pact
stuck jackal
i swapped to eris and got 32 first go
stuck jackal
are you dash striking
no
mossy zinc
i dont think em4 was that hard either btw
Thing is, you could have just done EM3 AP0 TD3 and take 1 Heat off elsewhere even, and have an objectively way easier run than that EM4 pact lol.
forest token
dash striking on bow charges the shot faster
does a bit less damage, but the speed matters more
stuck jackal
Thing is, you could have just done EM3 AP0 TD3 and take 1 Heat off elsewhere eve...
im not fast enough for td3
forest token
peak 32 pact
fo2 hl4 for players getting their first 32 is suicide lmao
stuck jackal
dash striking on bow charges the shot faster
true
haughty sky
im not fast enough for td3
as kindly as possible: skill issue
mossy zinc
EM4 takes forever.
haughty sky
fo2 hl4 for players getting their first 32 is suicide lmao
then play an aspect that can handle dc and take some off
stuck jackal
as kindly as possible: skill issue
i mean yeah
mossy zinc
Not even a skill issue. Just the pact being slow with AP1 and EM4. 
stuck jackal
even on low heat runs im still pretty slow
haughty sky
even like cf1 is fine
forest token
then play an aspect that can handle dc and take some off
bp2 literally isn't that bad lmao
just occasionally it's bad
stuck jackal
haughty sky
yes and on those occasions it's really bad
stuck jackal
reposting but look at my times
forest token
even on low heat runs im still pretty slow
always taking midshops, taking chaos in tartarus, and always taking story rooms help a lot
forest token
reposting but look at my times
eh the times are fine
forest token
yes and on those occasions it's really bad
just do another run then
mossy zinc
I saw your times, and I saw your time that run. You'd have had no trouble with TD3 that run.
haughty sky
mental gymnastics
ap2 isn't bad except when it removes the good boons
just do runs until it doesn't
forest token
i mean kinda yeah lol
stuck jackal
bp2 literally was not a problem outside of when i tried to do JS too
haughty sky
the point is making the most consistent pact
forest token
bp2 is easier for a first 32 than fo2 hl4 or whatever
mossy zinc
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1068678626159112202/...
That looks awful ngl.
stuck jackal
forced overtime 40% is so bad
forest token
cf sucks, taking dc1 or 2 starts to limit the aspects you can play
stuck jackal
its not just enemies doing 40% more damage its you have 60% length attack windows
hoary pasture
That looks like a beowulf speedrunning pact
mossy zinc
the point is making the most consistent pact
The most consistent 32 Heat pact for new players that we know is in my guide.
forest token
That looks like a beowulf speedrunning pact
it pretty much is tbh
mossy zinc
forest token
forced overtime 40% is so bad
it's not too bad once you get used to it and relearn all the timings, but jumping right into it would suck
shy plinth
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982618492077486100/1068387619538473080/im...
Mirror has opportunity - fam fave is more consistent damage and gives wider options, pride over legacy for similar reasons though it's close
Perhaps more importantly, the most common thing we see with pacts is people choosing options that slow them down and then gaining fear of td3
Ap, DC, and Em4 were the only reasons here you were not faster
mossy zinc
m sure there's some room for improvement, but would require opportunities to coach people to test variations... and that ends up not being very important anyway if they can clear the one in the guide well enough.
mossy zinc
Ap, DC, and Em4 were the only reasons here you were not faster
And that Drunken Strike start lol.
stuck jackal
flourish
shy plinth
I believe that this pact is harder than you might think and I would bet your skills are more than good enough for td3 with some guidance on other choices
forest token
strike because it's attack not because it's gun lol
stuck jackal
it was a gun run
forest token
i mean yeah
mossy zinc
Eris meta build with an easy pact can basically play 32 Heat like it's an any heat speedrun lol.
forest token
it was a gun run
but it isn't "strike cause gun"
every attack boon is labeled "___ strike"
forest token
i purposely didnt want to know them
ngl you ended up with one lmao
meta for higher heat anyways
drunk eris is taken at higher heat because of ap levels
or at least that's what i heard anyways
stuck jackal
dots are just super safe in difficult fights in any game and thats why i went with it. you have lots of dps uptime while still being able to dodge
mossy zinc
Well, Drunken Strike is second best in that slot, so it's not too bad. But Lightning Strike just way better if you're not dealing with AP2 like at 50+ Heat.
stuck jackal
drunk eris is taken at higher heat because of ap levels
well then
shy plinth
Yeah like you kinda did a 40+?
forest token
dots are just super safe in difficult fights in any game and thats why i went wi...
yeah hangover builds tend to be the safest builds
on the other hand tho, they're slower which can kinda interfere with td3
mossy zinc
Yeah like you kinda did a 40+?
I don't think it was 40+ difficult lol.
forest token
good build ignoring the fact that there's 2 sources of hangover
shy plinth
But also it can be less pressure next time if you want it to be
mossy zinc
Pact looks easy enough except for EM4 being unnecessarily difficult for the heat level. But it's not like it was HL5 FO2 EM4. There's just room for optimization.
stuck jackal
you'll notice i took very little to make stuff tankier, DC2 made little difference cause hangover just strips it
shy plinth
It still takes time
stuck jackal
i just tried to kill stuff safe -> fast and it worked
shy plinth
It's not a lot but it's something
stuck jackal
yeah for sure but this is me thinking on my own lol
shy plinth
Like I said, def be proud of this
mossy zinc
EM4 and AP1 are the slowest elements probably. DC2 just prevents you from one-shotting things with rockets.
shy plinth
Much better than my first 32 pact
First time 32 pacts tend to be along these lines, yours probs better than most tbh
No cp or js
stuck jackal
my hades fight whenever call was up i dashed into him, rocketed, called, and just ran circles around him dodging lol
shy plinth
Boom
forest token
at least there was no ri lmao
stuck jackal
i did take jury summons earlier but it was slowing me down too much
mossy zinc
EM4 can easily take 4-6 minutes at high heat just on its own.
forest token
i remember seeing a pact on reddit that was like, ri2 ap1/2 td0
stuck jackal
yeah it was a 5 minute fight
forest token
with some other egregious stuff
shy plinth
Gross
forest token
with prob some levels of js and cp
mossy zinc
yeah it was a 5 minute fight
Regular dad would have been like a minute maybe lol.
stuck jackal
can you not send images here?
stuck jackal
yeah i copied the link
mossy zinc
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stuck jackal
im still in single digit heat for a lot of weapons lol
ill try LC tho
as suggested
mossy zinc
Do you want to get into high heat?
forest token
also yeah lmao
stuck jackal
okay ill try a 32 heat run
mossy zinc
If you want to get into high heat, then just default to EM2 FO2 TD3 minimum for all your runs for practice. Even when you only need like 6 or so yet.
forest token
you should be fine as long as you start with dionysus special
forest token
or start concentrated volley
forest token
Fam fave very important
well if it's drunk chiron then pstatus is better
forest token
i'm assuming it's drunk chiron because they said they like DoT stuff
shy plinth
I just like the immediate 5% uptick on damage per god
forest token
depends on build at this point lol
shy plinth
Like tart feels so much easier to do quickly with the incremental boosts
Instead of having to wait to come online
stuck jackal
https://i.imgur.com/m09SCWX.png ps cause dio special, pride cause getting the duo isnt that hard, foresight for more good rooms?
forest token
yeah that's the gists of it
shy plinth
Foresight because it's busted
mossy zinc
ill try your guide but beating tartarus that fast is intimidating
The guide is for easy 32 Heat, not for practicing for high heats, keep that in mind.
Good luck!
forest token
mirror looks good
shy plinth
Ye
mossy zinc
Fiery on bow.
shy plinth
Get em
mossy zinc
Unless it's Rama.
stuck jackal
cant afford it
forest token
eh fiery vs shadow isn't too big of a difference tbh
it'll do
yeah it's a difference but should be fine
stuck jackal
https://i.imgur.com/3z6Z3U8.png we did it team
stuck jackal
second boon athena dash lol
forest token
calc risked time
mossy zinc
Drunken Flourish start feels so bad in modded with guaranteed Concentrated Volley start.
Getting the best hammer but having a Special that does nothing for it.
forest token
yeah it's unfortunate lmao
stuck jackal
its just funny that after bashing my head against a wall for so long
im getting all the good stuff
i just got epic aphro attack
forest token
homie getting all the good things
mossy zinc
I hate Deadly Flourish
I normally start Heartbreak Flourish unless I see epic Attack and common Flourish maybe.
It works.
With LC4.
forest token
lmao yeah
shy plinth
im getting all the good stuff
I will note that some of this is likely related to approval process
mossy zinc
Take it. Gud boon.
forest token
epic quick recovery is pretty nice tbh
forest token
and yeah save rerolls for better dem lol
mossy zinc
Heartbreak Flourish + Concentrated Volley is just comfy start for AP2.
forest token
oh
kinda cringe ngl
okay well
i'd just take quick recovery lmao
it's not bad
basically hl0 if you get the dash off
270
hoary pasture
I mean you don’t need it really
forest token
that's gonna last until lernie
literally ap2
i mean if you think the run is gonna be dead then might as well try
then dont force chaos lol
do you need boon fodder
or like
any boon you want in general
forest token
assuming you dont pick up any other boon you should be fine
you have 3 boons anyways
hoary pasture
Id rather take a pom than a random boon
forest token
quick recovery, flare, dem special
hoary pasture
Especially if it’s not an important god
forest token
oh yeah that too you're fine then
if you want you can buy braid and take midshop for free room
mossy zinc
Broken Resolve gud.
forest token
and buy pom probably
mossy zinc
Braid gud.
forest token
buy heart
hoary pasture
Dem boon a bit tempting
forest token
hp good
no pstatus tho so like eh
yeah snurst and good atk boon would be nice
or just dash for chill effect
but hp gud
buy the gems
forest token
i vote gemstones
hoary pasture
ig I’ll vote for gemstones too
shy plinth
I vote 
hoary pasture
Smh didnt even buy gems
forest token
imagine asking for advice but not taking the advice smh
mossy zinc
I vote <:Aphrodite:771420884438089758>
Lady Aphrodite doesn't require votes to conquer everything.
forest token
3 of us told you to buy gems and you didn't even do it smh
mossy zinc
That's 3 votes for Gemstones, and 0 votes for @honest kernel.
Gemstones more popular.
hexed sapphire
quick recovery is incredibly real
its like the second thing i'm taking after +dashes in heat
hoary pasture
It’s something
mossy zinc
10% evasion on top of Weak, Broken Resolve, and epic Quick Recovery is very nice.
hexed sapphire
what else would u get out of rolling it
swift strike is fake
- dashes doesnt do much on shields
start unyielding defense
mossy zinc
That 10% dodge is basically +18.5% HP in boss fights in your current build.
stuck jackal
does hydralite gold work with LC
hoary pasture
No
hexed sapphire
no
stuck jackal
rude
hoary pasture
Your SD will heal for 80% instead of 30%
mossy zinc
Makes your SD heal back to 80% instead of 30%.
hoary pasture
And it can last til the end
hexed sapphire
assuming you don't get sacked 🙂
mossy zinc
And stacks with Last Stand and other Touches of Styx that you buy.
mossy zinc
Even if it doesn't last until dad, you can at least get to him with a lot more HP.
hexed sapphire
regular touch of styx is the fakest well item ever
it never shows up
bruh did you time out
hoary pasture
Moyai
mossy zinc
it never shows up
It shows up when you have no money to buy it.
hexed sapphire
8:47 is fine if youre not running em4
mossy zinc
Just skip Elysium.
hoary pasture
You’ll probably get it
hexed sapphire
that would do it lmao
hoary pasture
Start of ely
hexed sapphire
also that
mossy zinc
If an area is too slow or too difficult, just skip it.
hexed sapphire
just skip dad
hoary pasture
Hourglass like a real gamer
mossy zinc
4 boons. https://imgur.com/a/EsKTVVp
hexed sapphire
bruh cflight
hoary pasture
It’s actually a genuine suggestion
Since you have like 3 rolls or something
You could get good stuff out of it and the Braid is already worth it
But cshot heroes can be tricky
With no acorn
mossy zinc
bruh cflight
Took me 2 hours to find a Charged Flight seed with AP2 back then.
jaunty falcon
Fill it up then
mossy zinc
then it took 2 more hours to get out of tartarus obviously
No, I won that run first try actually lol. But I grinded practice saves for the boss fights for like a week after getting the seed.
hexed sapphire
charged shot >>>> whatever arty is going to give you
hoary pasture
What level is your cast
hexed sapphire
delaying hammer is a scam
forest token
delaying hammer is only worthwhile if you actually have cshot lmao
hoary pasture
Cshot will help you make up that time faster
forest token
because 2nd hammer on beo isn't really important