taking Charon sack is suicide
#h1-high-heat-strategies
hexed sapphire
shy plinth
Videos for allllll of these, you can jump in and see diff pacts
I see mostly not em4
severe wedge
50 still wouodnt be on any unseeded leaderboard, plenty people have also done 50 heat on every aspect unseeded as well
shy plinth
I posted the pictures
Every run that has ever been submitted is on the list
Go to unseeded and scroll down until you see 50
It's just to see pacts that have worked for people
Trust me on this sheet - I made it š
wanton mauve
taking Charon sack is suicide
i actually have not fought charon yet, how hard is he?
shy plinth
Very
haughty sky
donāt do em4 for 50
mossy zinc
Honestly, JS and DC on Rama barely makes a difference at all.
Part of what makes Rama strong at high heat is how free DC2 is, which gives you 2 Heat that other aspects need to put into something a lot worse because they can't handle DC2 (well).
idle hound
Easy patterns, punishing mistakes
severe wedge
it doesnt seem to change much, funnily enough. whether i have 60% or 20% js on, I always run out of time during the champions fight or dad, but never earlier. idk why it doesnt make a significant difference, it just doesnt for some reason.
rn im trying with max js and td2 but i turned on ap2.
forest token
now youll time out because of a bad build lmao
severe wedge
yeah ive been getting a lot of garbage ones
forest token
ngl at this point it might not be a pact problem and you just have to refine your skills on whatever aspect
severe wedge
it's def a skill problem but imma still try
im just not used to em4
i barely ever take it, even on 40 heat i only took it once
severe wedge
mostly eris and zeus now
mossy zinc
TD2 at 50? At that point just do TD3 at 53. 
severe wedge
HL5 LC4 CF2 JS3 EM4 CP0 BF2 MM UC FO2 HS RI0 DC2 AP2 TD2
but i just started trying this version out
severe wedge
before I was using TD3, AP1, and JS1 or 2 i cant remember
forest token
but not taking td3 at 50 heat is not great tbh
severe wedge
The thing is Im slow af with the shield, my best shield time overall is like 12:30
forest token
like i said, you need to refine your gameplay more so you can handle the time
severe wedge
but zeus is also the weapon Ive been performing best with at 50 heat, ive gotten to dad like 5 times
I just started using TD2, bc Ive died like twice when TD3 caught up to me on dadd's 2nd or 3rd phase
it's really annoying that if I dont get a 2 sack the run's p much already over
forest token
also why you should take off em4
oh yeah styx
yeah that's fair then
well, timing out
not switching to td3
i'd still rather take td3
mossy zinc
The thing is Im slow af with the shield, my best shield time overall is like 12:...
I mean just do some speedrun practice for a couple days to get your mechanics down with Zeus Aspect then.
severe wedge
I mean just do some speedrun practice for a couple days to get your mechanics do...
how fast should I be clearing Tart btw? usually it's between 3:50 and 4:30 on 50 heat
mossy zinc
Good enough.
forest token
on my 50 run i think i went overtime in tart
mossy zinc
That can pretty easily happen, yeah. Tartarus can be pretty slow.
severe wedge
it's slow af but Asphodel's also really annoying when theres small rooms that spit lava onto the ground and then armored wavemakers always jump away from you
severe wedge
like if u dont get eurydice, a chaos, fountain, or thanatos then asphodel takes super long, i end up clearing it at ~8-9 mins igt and then elysium's super slow too even if i get a patroclus room
hoary pasture
Even if you don't timeout at heroes you'll timeout at EM4 with that pace
mossy zinc
AP2 is not doing you any favors if you want a more consistent pace.
Like... If you start Thunder Flourish and don't find Static Discharge because AP2... 
forest token
Without jolted dps is nonexistent lmao
mossy zinc
Common Jolted....
forest token
Better than nothing at least
severe wedge
Even if you don't timeout at heroes you'll timeout at EM4 with that pace
exactly. but ive watched 50+ heat zeus runs and they all seem to have the luckiest asphodels possible, even though it's like seemingly the best weapon at high heat
like they almost always get eurydice and even a fountain
forest token
like they almost always get eurydice and even a fountain
If you do enough runs you'll get that
haughty sky
yea thatās the cumulation of many many attempts
hoary pasture
At 50 heat you dont need a lucky Aspho to not time out
But Zeus is a difficult weapon to manage
It's really easy to waste time
Some people can streak 50 Heat Zeus like 10 times and pull out a 55 clear on command
It's a good weapon but it's tough as hell to master
shy plinth
Highest skill weapon in the game by a decent margin
severe wedge
Highest skill weapon in the game by a decent margin
idk hestia and rama are up there
zeus is what i was performing best with, and it was the first one i cleared 40 heat with, was the easiest by a wide margin
shy plinth
It's a very good weapon
Just saying it also has the highest skill ceiling
There is so much opportunity for precision there and also so much opportunity for slightly suboptimal execution that can result in the diff between a win and a loss
mossy zinc
Pretty sure Baj can streak 50 Heat Zeus. 
Just become as good as Baj and your 50 Heat Zeus runs will be consistent.
modern junco
Is there a general preference for Zag vs Hera bow for high heat, or are they both considered to be pretty on par with each other?
shy plinth
How high heat
hexed sapphire
Hera bow starts lagging behind with calisthenics program
shy plinth
Hera really struggles with DC and boon limiters but under those pacts you should be okay
Oh yeah CP too
hexed sapphire
and RI1
shy plinth
It's kind of got junior beo syndrome
Where DC RI AP and even CF can be problems
But if you're below like 50 I'd think hera is much better
modern junco
Alright, I think I'm still well below the problematic points then, I'm starting 32 now, so TD3 has been the hardest thing to get used to, so trying to speed up clears and was wondering if I should be switching from Hera to Zag
Generally I've been using Hera unless there's a good Zag hammer at the start
shy plinth
The biggest pressure point at 32 is execution
There's not really any aspect that particularly struggles there and the ones that excel the most are the usual suspects
modern junco
I'm down to refine and grind a bit, just wanted to sanity check that both were sane choices for it
shy plinth
There is no bad 32
There are harder first 32s, but that's just not enough heat for any weapon's characteristics to hold you back unless your pact is wack
modern junco
Makes sense, expected everything to be viable at that heat but if there was like a clear favorite between the two I was gonna lean more into that. All the bow aspects seem fun to me as long as I can forget chiron exists
shy plinth
Hera has pretty significant top end damage output, just takes longer to put together
I like them both
mossy zinc
Is there a general preference for Zag vs Hera bow for high heat, or are they bot...
Imo Zag Bow is a lot better for high heat.
Hera very inconsistent.
Zag Bow also relies quite a bit on getting decent hammer tbf.
modern junco
That's what I was about to ask about actually. I have been going with zag when starting hammer is good because they seem to make a much bigger difference there
mossy zinc
I like Chiron for high heat.
hoary pasture
Angel is one of them yea, but others like Baj Kontra Nephi all can do it, Iāve streaked it 5 times myself and Iām not even that good at Zeus
mossy zinc
Some people can streak 50 Heat Zeus like 10 times and pull out a 55 clear on com...
I didn't even read this when I mentioned Baj streaking 50 lol.
Hadesprofessor was playing 50 like he was doing any heat speedruns lol.
mossy zinc
I think he just set his pact to 50 when he unlocked the pact and thought this was the normal game.
hexed sapphire
Zeus is hard
grizzled mural
Alright, I think I'm still well below the problematic points then, I'm starting ...
I did my first 32 with Rama just recently. The timer was only a problem getting out of Tart, ran into it twice. Coincidentally, both against Tis
forest token
tart is generally pretty slow yeah
if you time out in tart, it's not the worst thing in the world
hexed sapphire
you gain like 2.5 minutes of edge in aspho on avg anyway
Be good at the game maybe
usually aspho is 2-3 minutes depending on free room and enemy rng
Bruh
hexed sapphire
just be super scum with your pausing
mossy zinc
Pausing the game is leaderboard legal btw.
If your Asphodels are bad, your spawn manips are probably bad
Or not happening in the first place.
peak sail
whats spawn ;manip
hoary pasture
whats spawn ;manip
When you try to stand in certain spots in a room between waves so enemies spawn close to you and ideally grouped up, usually spawn manips are in corners or edges of a room
So you have enemies coming in from one direction
Itāll help speed up rooms significantly when executed well
peak sail
gotcha
sonic shoal
does it make the game hard when you give new techniques to bosses
i saw hades having like 3 health bar
forest token
Em4 is pain
It's fine to take alone but gets pretty bad when you stack other pacts on it
Em3 is what most people normally take
modest wharf
It does make the bosses quite a bit harder, but you learn the patterns and get used it
modern junco
Honestly find EM2 Lernie to be more problematic than EM3 champions
EM3 champs hit harder but are just as easy to dodge
sharp jackal
Not EM3 Asterius
modern junco
Lol that unhinged laugh when he uses the gatling gun
Theseus I mean
EM3 Asterius is just as easy to dodge though, the only diff is that shockwave and then his beyblade mode
sharp jackal
Thatās what I mean!
modern junco
Ah lol
sharp jackal
He just goes let āer rip and spins around for about 10 whole seconds
modern junco
Laughs in Hestia rail
modern junco
They're both awesome imo
I take whatever is at heat, honestly love them all except meh for sword and spear 
sharp jackal
Thing is, Iām very much a Twin Fists player, so unless I have a real good cast, Beyblade Asterius is just
modern junco
Yeah kinda just waiting around
hexed sapphire
_Laughs in Hestia rail_
sadly hestia is not the only weapon in the game
modern junco
It is most unfortunate indeed
hexed sapphire
it's not necessarily that em3 is difficult in of itself, it just gets very chaotic and you get punished very hard for mistakes
sharp jackal
Yes, that
Though a game like Hades certainly makes you want to appreciate the Chaos, amirite?
modern junco
They hit hard for sure. One time I got trapped against a wall by the beyblade too and ate 3 hits trying to get away
Not having a lot of time left can make the champions a lot more stressful cause it just encourages more mistakes
hexed sapphire
and sometimes the timer makes you rush
yeah exactly
elysium can be very rough on timer
completely running out the clock is v common
sharp jackal
Oh, Iām not brave enough for anything about CD1
hexed sapphire
Oh it's not as bad as it seems
modern junco
I've only had one run timeout so far and it was on champions, I feel like time mistakes in tart and asphodel can just catch up to you in Elysium
hexed sapphire
the timer is super lenient
sharp jackal
I can do sub-9 each biome fairly comfortably, but I should probably work up to CD2 soon
modern junco
I'm on TD2 and the timer is fine unless you compound several mistakes on top of it
forest token
Td not cd btw
sharp jackal
Right, right
hexed sapphire
it pauses in:
boon/pom hammer menus
wells
between biomes
in story rooms (Sisyphus, Eurydice, etc)
thanatos encounters
and even when going through doors
its really not super bad
and you can always pause the game if you need time to think
sharp jackal
Hmmm
Iāll try a TD2 run without EM, then work my way up to at least EM3
See where it goes from there
hexed sapphire
it's also helpful if you know what strong builds are x)
sharp jackal
Experiment with weapons, aspects, wacky builds, the like
modern junco
My time crunches with TD2 usually come from being overconfident with chaos boons. Being able to make a curse work is one thing but it'll still kill you if it doubles the time it takes you to kill a boss or clear a room
hexed sapphire
the extra enemies curse is a silent killer
forest token
Cp too
hexed sapphire
you don't notice it until you look at the timer and realize you just spent 1 minute in c11
modern junco
Yeah especially with BP1/2
hexed sapphire
did you know that the cloner perk is supposed to make the enemy value 5x higher
it doesn't actually work tho
modern junco
lol I hate cloner rooms in tartarus
I'm trying to get my attack boon still and I'm in a touhou game
hexed sapphire
modern junco
Savior numbskulls are pain
My therapist told me savior speed numbskulls aren't real
shy gulch
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1062341829342802010/...
lmao
I remember a long time ago I wanted to try 40 heat all aspects
then ran into speeder savior numbskulls on Arthur and quit
haughty sky
bp2 is probably the worst part of playing bad aspects
i think when i was doing arthur 40 iād get to elysium and immediately die to speeder savior archers or whatever
forest token
you would think having a shield would be great in blocking every projectile but then seeking spreader witches in asphodel exist
severe wedge
should i take hyper sprint or greatest reflex for my first hermes in asphodel?
both common
using eris
forest token
is this ap1 ri1
severe wedge
ap1 ri0
severe wedge
im also lowkey considering getting the mod just so i can take ap2 lmao
forest token
worth doing tbh lmao
if you want the "genuine experience" of the game but just want to not get slapped by starting rng, just turn off everything except the starting boon and guaranteed hammer
eh it's good still
extra iframes never hurt
severe wedge
nah greatest reflex is one of the few boons that's still great common imo
eh usually ill be a tad disappointed, like when u get common thunder flourish for instance. still good but the difference betweem epic feels so huge, it's like 2 poms just to make them equal
forest token
hs lets you play more offensively because you can make use of the sturdy and get attacks off, greatest reflex lets you play more defensively
severe wedge
greatest reflex is offensive too
forest token
greatest reflex is offensive too
yeah but in this case, it's better than hs defensively
hs sturdy kinda underrated
sounds like a you issue
severe wedge
yeah but in this case, it's better than hs defensively
right but like it's often better both offensively and defensively lol the only reason i take hs is for rd, which isnt that unrealistic on ap1 ri0
forest token
it's doable yeah
rd would help your dps issue
i mean if you want to rng for rd, then go for it
i'm too much of speedrunner brain to consider greatest reflex over hs
gr might be better here but idk lmao i dont play heat that much
severe wedge
just looked up some 50+ heat zag fist runs and they start with blade dash and drunken dash in tart lmfao
haughty sky
if you're playing to win take dashes over sprint
sprint is still good defense but the only thing it offers over dashes is rd
which isn't very consistent (especially at ap1) and more often than not requires some dice
hexed sapphire
bp2 is probably the worst part of playing bad aspects
I mean like
for high heat standards Arthur isn't even that terrible
it's in the gy camp of "weird hestia"
except gy is actually cracked against speeder savior skulls
quartz mantle
Guan Yu has fast dash strikes at least
hexed sapphire
Arthur has fast dash strikes š
forest token
to be fair, if you dont take fo2 you have to take cf2 hl5
but you're taking fo1 hl5
so like you're kinda compensating
also with lc2
wispy blade
wait how would you need to take cf2
with fo2 i dont even need lc2
actually
that might be better
forest token
actually i dont remember that pact with hl5 fo0 hold on
forest token
with fo2 i dont even need lc2
fo2 hl5 hurts
wispy blade
fo2 hl5 hurts
did it before and id probably come out with more than 2 hp left if i had had lc0
i did it in 18 anyways
and also tbh im not as bad
forest token
oh nvm the hl5 fo0 uses lc4 lmao
forest token
wispy blade
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1063937233704464394/...
what is htis
wispy blade
cool
wispy blade
if you want no lc you can do hl3 cf2 fo2
why when i could do hl5
forest token
fo2 hl5 kinda sucks
wispy blade
i need to git gud
forest token
i need to git gud
git gud with lc4 then
forest token
bold statement coming from someone who struggled to beat 40
wispy blade
the only thing that really sucked with hl5 fo2 was em3 asterius
forest token
the only thing that really sucked with hl5 fo2 was em3 asterius
that's partly why we dont take hl5 fo2 at 32 heat
isnt it only js1 at 40
i also use cf0
wispy blade
or
forest token
and i still had js1
forest token
i use either cf1 or js1
wispy blade
im gonna be banned from half the world now i used the wrong copula
wispy blade
i use either cf1 or js1
evil
might as well use the aspect of lucifer cause you're clearly satan
wispy blade
approval fartcess
forest token
ap1 isn't even that bad
legit if you took ap1, your 40 probably would've been easier
i literally dont play 50 that often
i have like a total of 11 runs on 50+
wispy blade
wait so
forest token
9 beo, probably 3 zeus or something
and i've speedran 40 heat with ap1
it sucks if you're shooting for a duo
but other than that it's fine
wispy blade
whats wrong with hl3 fo1 and instead lc2 cf2 and some other silly behavior
forest token
whats wrong with hl3 fo1 and instead lc2 cf2 and some other silly behavior
i mean that's fine
probably
lc2 is fine
wispy blade
i do loathe cf
forest token
lc2 is fine
wispy blade
lc2 feels like lc3.75
forest token
you either to lc0, lc2, or lc4
wispy blade
idk how much fountains are supposed to restore but it's not 30
so then 30% of like 250=75
forest token
lc2 is just like playing guan yu anyways except the centaur hearts actually give you 25 hp
lc2 is fine to use frankly
haelian uses lc2 ap1 lmao
for 32
it caps at 25 instead of 20
oh does it not
well you can figure that out idrc about that lmao
wispy blade
is there something more wholly unintensive on the brain than hestia for 32
forest token
beo probably
wispy blade
looks like im sticking with xestija
they should make hc-1
where it takes off 1 heat but you cant take trap damage
guys what do you think
this is totally awesome right
ri2 is free
mossy zinc
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1054474976083849236/1063940226873049089/i...
You should do RI4.
modern junco
32 heat with LC4, it seems like health ups are much more valuable? Since your only method of HP recovery is the % recovery from SD. I never went for them before that but now they seem like a super good take
Yeah, I still take boons over them usually, but just find myself taking them over money/poms much more often now, 1-20 heat DD they were practically worthless
forest token
32 heat with LC4, it seems like health ups are much more valuable? Since your on...
you only get like 7 hp from centaur hearts after SD lmao getting as many hearts as possible is basically what high heat is
me entering ely with 50 hp and lvl 3 flood flare and having to choose between a heart or a pom
except with passion
modern junco
Yeah, I took one in tart and over a pom and realized I probably should have taken the pom, since my cores didn't have any yet
forest token
in tart you kinda always take pom
modern junco
Because it's more reliable to get the pom on what you need?
forest token
yeah
and also
it's tart
you dont exactly need the hp yet
yeah stockpiling it for later is always good, but early poms can make aspho easier
modern junco
That's true, just coming off of my run yesterday the extra HP was a big help elysium onwards so got tunnel vision
but that sounds about right
i really need to remember to switch off of shady before next run though
the fries are still delicious, but no longer helpful
hexed sapphire
the beo 60 heat experience is die to superdad
honest kernel
i have 44s left entering elysium for my first 32 heat run is it a bust 
honest kernel
ye
forest token
Maybe
Hopefully get some free rooms
Td doesn't insta kill you so you have a bit more time
modern junco
what's recommended for 40 heat? I have HL4 LC4 CF2 EM3 CP2 BP2 MM1 UC1 FO2 TD3
modern junco
I didn't even realize hl went to 5, already started this run but I'll try that next
forest token
Oh lmao
modern junco
I guess hs would be fine except for lava, dad doesn't get much time to use pots anymore
SD should make up for lack of skill with traps in common rooms
well rip had a particularly slow tart and timed out on alecto lol
Oh, I had HL5, it's 20% per not 25% lol
I guess just take off one CF and add HS? so HL5 LC4 CF1 EM3 CP2 BP2 MM1 UC1 FO2 HS1 TD3? Is it still worth it to not take EM4 instead at this point?
severe wedge
finally got my first sub 10 shield run w/ zeus
sharp jackal
NICE
severe wedge
still dont feel like im gonna be fast enough to beat td3 js3 bp2 cp1 though
sharp jackal
Still need to achieve a sub-17 run myself
severe wedge
are u meant to hs at 40?
u dont need to
severe wedge
not really
the only weapon i took hs for at 40 heat was the rail
the rest i did w/o it
wispy blade
rama?
severe wedge
hs is super annoying. hl makes u take big damage but if u avoid most attacks and use stubborn defiance well it's fairly manageable (outside of em3/em4 fights sometimes). but hs gives u the damage of like 3 hits just from one random trap, and it makes asphodel like 5x worse
wispy blade
so would eris make my life easier
severe wedge
yeah ik im js 1 tick of hs can be worse tha like 3 or 4 of hl
wispy blade
so if im using eris and i need 2 more heat with hl5 lc4 em3 the stuff in the middle fo2 dc2 td3
what should i do
severe wedge
i didnt put it at 5 for most weapons on 40 heat tho, at 50 ofc i have to
mine kinda look funny but if it helps i can post them too
wispy blade
js2?
modern junco
that's what I have except I took CP2 instead of JS
severe wedge
so if im using eris and i need 2 more heat with hl5 lc4 em3 the stuff in the mid...
what weapon are you best with?
severe wedge
xestija
hestia is great, and it clears 50+ heat easily for a lot of ppl. i just dk how to use it so i stick to eris lol
i can post my clear for any of the weapons ur curious ab
wispy blade
i would much prefer to use hestia but i don't wanna use hs
although
maybe i could do js
since i get like
14-15 min
severe wedge
i would much prefer to use hestia but i don't wanna use hs
then use hestia, whatever you're most comfortable with is best
wispy blade
i got a 12 on 32 earlier
severe wedge
and u dont need to take hs
like really dont need to take hs
hs might be my single most hated pact tbh
i dont think there is a 1 heat anything near as bad as hs
modern junco
Why CF2 instead of CP2 for hestia? You do so much damage already most things get some level of overkill it seems
wispy blade
wdym? ri and ap are free
wispy blade
Why CF2 instead of CP2 for hestia? You do so much damage already most things get...
not true
severe wedge
sometimes i take cp1 instead ngl but if im using a weapon im usually slower with i have to take hs fs
severe wedge
eh id rather js3 than js2 + cp1
wispy blade
i think this fellow might be using the seximal number system
modern junco
KK that's fair. I'm in ely rn and haven't noticed it yet but I've gotten good attack boosts
wispy blade
is patty always same chamber?
severe wedge
i take that bc the ~5% less damage u need to deal in normal rooms with js2 cp1 is made up for by the thicc bosses, so js3 overall feels better since it doesnt help the bosses at all
but i still have yet to beat 50 š so im not gonna try to give advice on that
wispy blade
how reliably with 2sack can you make the 80% last till daddy
do normal vs boss chambers in styx have same number of chambers
does athena also have like the 12% more health restore for sd
yes
looks like i might be putting on some athena keepsakes
as in 1
dad pots r the big thing
got hit by one last run but had 3 dds
i dont really take much frae lernie
maxed?
yeah
no cp1 either probably
should i take cp1?
hellmode is something with iframes right
rn it's
hl5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 the middle stuff fo2 td3
need 1 more
39
i just really dont wanna get pwned by dad pots
yeah
im turning off aim at cursor because idk if i can afford misses
but with aim at cursor off hestia really likes shooting pots
severe wedge
both of which can easily end ur run lmao
wispy blade
it's super annoying
modern junco
is there a better spot to camp? worried about the pots
never had to do that on dad lol
modern junco
autoaim with pots suck
wispy blade
shooting pots specifically is bad for me
modern junco
ty I'll keep it in mind
rail pots can be painful, achilles pots can be super painful, and this was before hs
dang good idea, should have
wispy blade
ok hl5 lc4 cf2 js1 em3 cp1 bp2 mm1 uc1 fo2 td3
severe wedge
yeah but with hs he's like 2x or 3x as hard. with the fists he might be even more than that if u dont have long knuckle or ddash
wispy blade
if i fail i'm blaming you all for this pact because i'd never ever fail if i just had a better one
severe wedge
Why CF2 instead of CP2 for hestia? You do so much damage already most things get...
CP2 is insane. People who take it willingly are madmen. It gives 30% more hp to bosses as well lol. Plus CF2 isnt anywhere near the worst 2 heat
yeah fs i just barely use the sword lol
wispy blade
i used to think cp didnt even affect bosses
modern junco
CP2 is insane. People who take it willingly are madmen. It gives 30% more hp to ...
From my small sample size of one half finished run, I haven't noticed CP yet (though I expect I will on dad), but I have only bought 1 thing so I would swap a CP for CF right now if I could
severe wedge
im so bad with the sword that i wasnt able to use nemesis for either 32 or 40 heat
i did arthur for 32 and zag for 40
modern junco
dang is this miniboss room gonna be asterius or butterfly
maybe I should just go for the pom
wispy blade
AUTOAIM TARGETING THE SHADOWS?? WHAT IS THIS
modern junco
autoaim targeting the explody trap versions of the exalted guys is cool
severe wedge
honestly cf2 is free heat for me. i take it without thinking. the only 2 heat freer for me than cf2 is uc
and mm, if that's 2
modern junco
Yeah I'mma switch to CF2 next time, still have too many obols to spare.
it was asterius 
modern junco
console feels
I realized maybe the reason CP2 isn't hurting too much rn is battle rage
have yet to see something that isn't a 1 or 2 shot depending on if it has armor
forest token
honestly cf2 is free heat for me. i take it without thinking. the only 2 heat fr...
Not buying early boons or hearts hurts long run
severe wedge
beo almost never willingly, i tried to learn it a bit over the past few days but just gave up
ME i used to use a lot but it just takes too much to get so i dont try for it anymore
modern junco
I realized maybe the reason CP2 isn't hurting too much rn is battle rage
have ye...
nevermind, forgot chariots
severe wedge
bc a lot of the time you want ddash with it, but ddash doesnt open up ME. so u need athena attack/special, ares attack/special, ddash, and have to hope for ME getting offered too
forest token
Even if you get like tart mirage in the 3 boons you're ever offered there, just sell the arty core
forest token
Is this 32 heat
wispy blade
lol
severe wedge
hl5 lc2 cf2 js1 em3 middle stuff fo1 dc1 ap2 td3
go lc4 rather than hl5
wispy blade
nope
severe wedge
lc4 is fine with sd, hl5 hurts
forest token
Are we just gonna ignore the ap2
forest token
Aight
severe wedge
i mean u do u but id avoid ap2 perdonally
wispy blade
free
forest token
I've just been ignoring their takes because they just say weird things lmao
severe wedge
hamners?
severe wedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1064041557277282384/...
if that hammer's triple bomb tben this is an amazing build no?
modern junco
yeah got the 40 clear
severe wedge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1064041557277282384/...
are u going for crystal clarity or just got stuck with beam
hexed sapphire
if that hammer's triple bomb tben this is an amazing build no?
the chaos in elysium gave me -47% dash range 
severe wedge
the chaos in elysium gave me -47% dash range <:strawbrah:871975175594324028>
yeah ap2 is a btch for sure
sometimes i wonder whether it's better to avoid chaos if u have ap2 on on high heat bc some curses are too dangerous
but it is a free room ur avoiding
severe wedge
yeah exactly
hexed sapphire
especially when superdad has the propensity to take 5 minutes
severe wedge
i just hate it though, bc u almost never get a good boon but almost always get an annoying curse
severe wedge
yeah i figute
modern junco
chaos might be safer for some aspects than others, like there's more than can mess with a beo build than a zag bow build
hexed sapphire
slippery is run ending
modern junco
yeah but bow has like attack hit and -dash
beo has to worry about double
what's roiling do again?
severe wedge
chaos might be safer for some aspects than others, like there's more than can me...
ap2 ri1 still hurts, halting, maimed, roiling, or slothful can still wreck you
even w zag bow
modern junco
ah true dunno anything that wants roilikng
severe wedge
sometimes even caustic can be annoying depending on the room u get
severe wedge
yeah ik normally it's free but st high enough heat it can be annoying in some rooms bc the ghosts from benefits package also spit bombs at u when they die
hexed sapphire
it really isn't
halting is terrible
most attacks are designed with the intention of full dash distance
and reduced mobility also means ending a room far away from doors can waste valuable seconds
oh beo
zzz
beo more like garbage o
did u know that ur iframes don't work while casts are popping
ignore the modpack version
kinda
severe wedge
halting is like one of the worst curses lmao
hexed sapphire
it's the hypermodded pack, but I set all the presets to standard modded
and then guaranteed Hermes and 2nd hammer
severe wedge
sometimes id rather have maimed/flayed on my main damage sohrce than halting
hexed sapphire
maimed/flayed is a skill check
halting is skull
I can always tell how many waves there are in a room
in a 3 waver for example the enemy distribution is usually 2-1-3
the only time it's hard to tell is in early tart where 2 and 1 are the same
for 2 wavers it's like 3-3
yeah
if u pay close attention to 3 wave combats the 2nd wave is usually small
it's weird I don't fully know how to explain it
it's just something u feel
modern junco
someone mentioned the value of clone BP perk on enemies the other day, do the benefits put on enemies change like, the number the game decides to put in a wave?
modern junco
oh so it's just busted for all of them? no effect?
I never knew it was a thing because that's how it seemed lol
hexed sapphire
yeah internally there's set weights for perks
like cloner is supposed to be worth 5 of the same enemy
but it's busted and doesn't work
modern junco
hm maybe they just didn't go with it intentionally, I could see it being almost too good to turn on BP and get faster rooms
I mean some perks are clearly worse than others especially with combos but rng is rng
severe wedge
clones are so annoying with every tart enemy besides the little trap shooter guys
wispy blade
in 30ish minutes I shall revolutionize 40
wispy blade
clones are so annoying with every tart enemy besides the little trap shooter guy...
yeahhh
they suck
modern junco
clones are so annoying with every tart enemy besides the little trap shooter guy...
clone tart witches in like chamber 3 suck
forest token
I thought clones were free 
modern junco
kinda depends on room layout too I guess, if they're all at the end of that narrow room it sucks
severe wedge
clone tart witches in like chamber 3 suck
i hate when theyre flying over spike traps and u have hs on
also if u start with a hammer and get one of the big club guys armored with clones on js3 in chamber 2 it's super annoying
bc even eith boiling blood they take forever to kill
unless u have beo ig bc it just does so much damage and blocks their attacks
hexed sapphire
is this for 40 heat
wispy blade
no it's for 20 heat
i was about to say something about how you could tell by the pacts i took but then i realised the pacts i took
but yeah 40
hexed sapphire
just spec all in into lasting consequences at this point
wispy blade
i would rather [REDACTED]
hexed sapphire
You are taking Calisthenics Program over it
wispy blade
yep
hexed sapphire
LC4 skip works for 32 because you have a lot of options but you really need to be using it here
wispy blade
i would rather ap2
hexed sapphire
no u wouldn't
wispy blade
yes i would
hexed sapphire
everything u could take over LC4 at this point renders any advantage having multiple DDs for bossing would have moot
wispy blade
forest token
wtf
haughty sky
why are you cutting random stuff and itās not even bp2
wispy blade
also doing this with hestia
forest token
oh
modern junco
i've only done the 2 clears but
this looks much more painful tbh
haughty sky
yes, i mean you shpuld cut bp2 if anything
modern junco
why damage control on hestia
haughty sky
just play the game if youāre gonna be quirky and not take advice
wispy blade
i want to see why im wrong
forest token
homie really ignored one of the best high heat players in this game lmao
i'm not expecting them to take our advice on top of that
wispy blade
i told u u werent gonna like it
modern junco
well I mean like good luck and stuff
i guess you could quick shot spam DC off enemies
wispy blade
thats the point
forest token
you're gonna time out
modern junco
would be tough to not lose your undamaged foes bonus though
forest token
also you lose fiery presence if you over shoot
also js1 cp1
you're missing break points
and you're dealing with more enemies
legit the rest of the pact is still questionable
but like
turn on fo2 at this point
take off dc2
and cp1
it'll at least be more bearable
would still suck because lc2 cf2 but whatever
modern junco
just do it
report results
wispy blade
dont you guys wanna have an i told you so moment here
modern junco
look i just do what the spreadsheet tells me I'm just here to watch
forest token
i didn't even use the spreadsheet for my 40 heat i just followed what other people said to do
by extension also 32 heat because i did that first
modern junco
well yeah ig same, i only see the sheet up to 32
for hestia I still think I'd keep CP2 over CF2 otherwise just listen to what people say here
modern junco
mostly yeah, there are some obvious bad takes
forest token
you wanna give dad 5k hp per phase?
modern junco
I mean em3 dad
sure
hestia still melts him in like a minute with just aphro strike
forest token
cf2 is fine tbh
it's hesty, it's not that boon demanding
modern junco
dunno if I'd do it with other weapons
wispy blade
ehhh not working out
forest token
hestia still melts him in like a minute with just aphro strike
that's very wrong
i'd only believe that with epic rd
and at least rocket bomb
and some sort of chaos scaling
modern junco
didn't get good special but I had a 30% chaos boost and maybe rd
so I may be exaggerating yeah
time didn't get close is all I mean, and wasnt a god run
forest token
like i know i'm not that great at speedrunning, but my beo dad fights are like 45-50 seconds
and there's no way hesty with just aphro strike can be just 1 minute
haughty sky
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/1064072726530232410/image.png?width=558&height=700
modern junco
I think beo could probably get consistently faster than hestia
forest token
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/...
you forgot cp2
modern junco
hestia could probably beat beo but getting that many attack boosts is not reliable
forest token
I think beo could probably get consistently faster than hestia
the only thing hestia has that's more consistent that beo is the autoaim shots lmao
haughty sky
beo is the speedrun aspect
forest token
you can't miss a volley on hestia like on beo
haughty sky
double reloads
forest token
oh yeah lmao
modern junco
the only thing hestia has that's more consistent that beo is the autoaim shots l...
I mean true, lol, I haven't done beo at 40 but at 20 like all it needs is splash cast
haughty sky
beo is The speedrun aspect
forest token
oh yeah without mirage or rd, flood flare alone is just good enough
modern junco
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/...
I'd turn off jury summons, turn on TD3, turn off damage control
forest token
great? not really but very easy still
modern junco
jury summons got painful for me even at 16
modern junco
oh yeah without mirage or rd, flood flare alone is just good enough
exactly
forest token
at 40, if youre not doing ap1, you're just gonna hope you get mirage shot for ely lmao
haughty sky
js3 td2 >> js0 td3
forest token
just so you wont die
modern junco
hestia is pretty good without a particular setup too, but it doesn't compete with what beo can get to just with mirage
hestia can get stupid but you need to rely too much on chaos
forest token
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/...
lemme do this on zeus rq
modern junco
js3 td2 >> js0 td3
I dunno more time to take hits and more enemies to hit you
severe wedge
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/...
why would u not take cf2 lol can take a whole 20% off hl or js
haughty sky
it's rarely more enemies at once
haughty sky
yea
modern junco
usually I think but it definitely feels like bigger waves soemtimes too
haughty sky
and sometimes trickle spawns during the waves
modern junco
^ maybe that yeah
forest token
considering i beat 50 with zeus theoretically i should be able to beat this pact right
haughty sky
with td3 you can still timeout with bad builds
js3 td2 you tend to have a lot more time, trials/skipping free rooms/coin troves are doable
haughty sky
exchange dc for cf/ap/cp as necessary
i'm including this
modern junco
js3 td2 you tend to have a lot more time, trials/skipping free rooms/coin troves...
that feels plausibly true sure, if you minimize combat rooms and don't have any issues clearing regular rooms
haughty sky
you can try the pact, when i was doing 40 all aspects i experimented a fair bit
and js3 td2 is much more consistent
modern junco
I probably will give it a shot, not sure if will be tonight, just saying I can see the line of reasoning
Jury summons can't get you if you're in a shop 
modern junco
UC is totally free and then it's not
wispy blade
eye of lamia doesn't work right
modern junco
the fry one? It works just I dunno about the 15% thing
severe wedge
considering i beat 50 with zeus theoretically i *should* be able to beat this pa...
how many times have u beat 50?
forest token
twice
beat 51 once
on the other hand, i never took a trial with js3 before and it's god awful
hexed sapphire
js3 td2 >> js0 td3
wtf is this
hexed sapphire
jsfree tho
jaunty falcon
hestia could probably beat beo but getting that many attack boosts is not reliab...
Hestia isnāt getting a 23s dad imo
Youād need a routed tier build
wispy blade
does 40 ever become as easy as 32
mossy zinc
More or less.
wispy blade
i'm excited for that day
forest token
With the proper pact, 40 is the same as 32 but with hl5 basically
And ap1 I guess
But they're pretty similar in difficulty
hoary pasture
As long as your build is mostly unaffected itās easy
severe wedge
i found 40 way harder than 32 tbh
32's easy af in comparison
but that's j me
for ppl who've done 50+ heat in sure 40 is extremely easy too
mossy zinc
After your first 50+, 40 can still be pretty hard depending on what aspects you're using.
white quail
What is your guys suggestion for a 32 heat setup
Iām planning on using the rail with the aspect of Eris
hoary pasture
What is your guys suggestion for a 32 heat setup
Check the pins
jaunty falcon
yeah
gaunt fiber
arbitrary numbers best numbers
wispy blade
32 is cooler
all it's missing is a 7 and it'd be the coolest number around
other than 725
bitter zenith
Has anyone ever been successful with maxed out approval process? trying to clear 40 and let rngesus take the wheel. been driving me back to house of hades around act 3
mossy zinc
Well, limit your boon pool, get early poms asap.
bitter zenith
i'm best with fist. you think zag aspect and hermes keepsake all the way through is reasonable at 40 heat?
mossy zinc
Shackle to not rely on boons can help a lot, too.
It's not unreasonable, but you'll have a much easier time with other weapon aspects.
Hestia, Eris, Beowulf, etc.
mossy zinc
Nyaanyaa's 40 Heat Guide
A standard 40 Heat pact has:
HL5 LC4 EM3 BP2 MM UC FO2 HS TD3
That adds up to 37. In Hell mode, you'll also naturally get JS1 CP1 PL, so you're already done with a 40 Heat pact.
In normal mode, the last three Heat depending on aspect, build, and personal preference are typically some combination of CF1-2, JS1, DC2, and AP1.
So Rama, for example, would just take DC2 because that's pretty free and then one Heat from either CF1 or JS1 depending on what you like. While Hestia would definitely avoid DC2 and instead pick some combination of CF1-2 JS1 and AP1 depending on which you find less bothersome or more fun.
mossy zinc
You use Stubborn Defiance to heal.
bitter zenith
ohh, i've never used that
i've always used the regular one
i just hope to run into eeyore in act 3 to replenish dd
i'll give it a shot later today, thanks!
i was throwing in em4 as well
i just couldn't do enough damage the times i got to him
mossy zinc
Err.. don't wanna take EM4 until like 50+ lol.
I believe Schadenfreudic's 32 guide in the pins has some info on using SD with LC4 if you tap on the message.
Should be multiple messages but only the first one is pinned.
Can't go into detail because m going to sleep.
mossy zinc
You should check out the new Hades Monthly Challenge that's pinned in #h1-builds-and-combat btw.
haughty sky
this is The 40 Pact https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/989083298099785730/...
40 pact
hexed sapphire
JS3 td2 is still really sketch
forest token
Infinite rats
wispy blade
how easy is it to die with only em4 on
I'd like to give it a go
but not if it's like crazy
hoary pasture
how easy is it to die with only em4 on
It depends on how familiar you are with the fight
But itās not that bad
You can get a good build and the fight inst brutal just yet
wispy blade
You should check out the new Hades Monthly Challenge that's pinned in <#52068840...
is January the 2022 one
distant pelican
new pb lets go
mossy zinc
Is TD0 truly a strategy or is it giving up?
wild ocean
what's td0?
distant pelican
tight deadline 0
wild ocean
ah
distant pelican
pact acronyms are in the pins if you want
wispy blade
does anyone ever turn off mm
mossy zinc
For speedruns maybe.
Or just any kind of random pact I feel like doing.
4:23 isn't too bad. Should be fine.
Nice Cast poms.
Elysium is gonna be slow if your Cast is only Lv.2.
wild ocean
is shield w/ charge shot + minotaur rush good for high heat?
bc it feels kinda busted but idk if it'd hold up later on
quartz mantle
Minotaur rush is generally too slow to use efficiently
Charged Shot is pretty good tho
wild ocean
Minotaur rush is generally too slow to use efficiently
have you used it in combination with charge shot
you just sit in a corner and have a bow that does 600+ damage
and you don't take damage from the front
forest token
lmao the issue isn't the damage at that point, it's the time
if you have plenty of time left, then maybe you can pull it off
wild ocean
Yea sitting in a corner is generally too slow
i get around 17 with it usually
forest token
also the issue is that you might miss the power shot because you have to block an atk that would've hit you
so that would've been a waste of time
quartz mantle
You can do faster by just using cshot more often
forest token
also a lot more safer
quartz mantle
like charged shot is good damage
using it quickly and flexibly is much better than the extra damage you get from minotaur rush
like dps wise I'm pretty sure it's faster unless you have crits for minotaur rush
hexed sapphire
ur casts were probably popping
forest token
did they stab through your left side
hexed sapphire
skill issue I guess
forest token
they might've just been standing too close to you then
hexed sapphire
don't overrely on block
hexed sapphire
63 heat iframes were primarily from bull rush
forest token
oh yeah not using cshot is actually a good strategy lmao
hexed sapphire
h!xic @honest kernel
forest token
i would simply not die
quartz mantle
I'm so confused what the problem is
You have bull rush
Just like
schmoove
you 're literally invincible
I don't know what you want me to say other than Skill Issue
hoary pasture
But like that has nothing to do with cshot vs no cshot
quartz mantle
that's also true
forest token
that's a you issue lmao
mossy zinc
I either take them out fast or stay away from them and take them out last.
CC enemies aren't to be underestimated.
severe wedge
for those of u who beat 50+ heat with the fists, what builds did u go for?
AP1/2 and/or RI1/2 makes that super difficult if not downright imoossible most of the time
and the builds Ive seen on YT have been super weird
ppl will use thunder dash, blade dash, or drunk dash on gilgamesh and all sorts of weird stuff on the others
my easiest 40 heat clears were the fists and shield, but im sick of zeus shield atp so i wanna try smth different
sword and spear def worse cmon
jaunty falcon
For super super high itās dio or Zeus strike
Into poms/jolted
50 with ME is kinda viable since you can get ap1 ri0 em4
Although Iāve not actually beat 50 with fists (yet)
severe wedge
so u make it heroic
yeah that kinda sucks
divine strike's not bad
nourished soul's unsellable and does nothing tbf
what room are u at
oh literally lernie lmao
yeah that sucks
haughty sky
ppl will use thunder dash, blade dash, or drunk dash on gilgamesh and all sorts ...
theyāre aiming for the attack then coping
i assume
severe wedge
theyāre aiming for the attack then coping
i thought so too at first but nah ive seen several runs
theyll go for the dash first then take whatever attack they get
the strat seems to be just try to dash around enemies and backstab so they get trapped in blades/poison pools
more than 50 lol i was looking at like 52+
haughty sky
https://youtu.be/4yk_2Vby2PA hereās explosive upper arty special start on dem
https://youtu.be/Sla0kPw69rg zeus attack start
severe wedge
Angelic's Zag Fists 56 heat clear (it says world record in the title idk if that's true) has dio attack + blade dash
severe wedge
https://youtu.be/Sla0kPw69rg zeus attack start
will try this build, thanks
i almost never use talos but will go for it
haughty sky
all the non gilga fists are basically the same but demās the best
severe wedge
i would always take addled soul without thinking on ap2
ap1 maybe id look for something better but on ap2 addled soul would be a dream
forest token
athena trial isn't that bad
forest token
you have beo you're fine
severe wedge
bruh i hate getting the rock and dusa miniboss in asphodel smfg
it's so much worse with the fists too
severe wedge
bruh im literally only using weapons ive cleared sub 10 with and im still too slow wtf
zeus apparently hasnt even done sub 7 before and i got sub 10 on that, but im still too slow with it
like how fast do we need to be bro lmao
wait really?
on yt the fastest run i can find is 7:29 and says it was 5 seconds away from the world record
oh that's from 2021 nvm
still though
severe wedge
rooms w no armored enemies take so long in tart
forest token
on yt the fastest run i can find is 7:29 and says it was 5 seconds away from the...
might've been unmodded
modded zeus has a sub6
severe wedge
well yeah but im playing unmodded too
i figure the wr def has to have gotten faster over the past 2 years so i wouodnt be surprised if unmodded did sub 6 too
forest token
highly doubt that
if unmodded had a sub6 then it wouldn't have been a big deal with modded sub6 came around lmao
zeus isn't exactly a fast aspect
severe wedge
well unmodded prob has a sub 7 at least now tho
severe wedge
so do u literally need to be capable of near wr pace for unmodded to beat the timer? or just get a sht ton of room skips
im only doing 50 heat, it seems like that's not that hard for a lot of ppl here who've even done 55+
forest token
i think better boon rng is all you need tbh
assuming ap2 anyways
and hope you get a good styx
because i dont think i got that many free rooms in my modded run
haughty sky
nobody wants to play (not top tier aspects in) unmodded
severe wedge
assuming ap2 anyways
yeah it's ap2, i stopped taking em4
it was just super annoying when i would get to dad like 1 in every 5 runs or so then die to the clock every time
forest token
ap2 into hyper delivery lmao
severe wedge
but w this em4-less pact i reached styx only once and had a 4 sack š
spice tulip
I'm trying to get a successful 32 heat run with every aspect. Ideas for Zag spear and Zag fist? Those seem like they have the least potential for good damage on bosses without ME or getting lucky with hyper delivery.
forest token
zag spear, you can get lucky into explosive launcher and charged skewer
zag fists can use plume and buff dodge
or zap/drunk fists
spice tulip
Is the special on spear actually any good? From what I remember (and granted it has been a long time) it was pretty slow and clunky.
Huh, it gets upgraded with blood. I actually didn't remember at all.
Yeah, that might work.
wispy blade
Huh, it gets upgraded with blood. I actually didn't remember at all.
if you're gonna be specialing why not achoolles
forest token
Is the special on spear actually any good? From what I remember (and granted it ...
recalling spear is bad
that's why explosive launcher is good
spice tulip
For fists, I'm so used to using aspect of Demeter that the special seems kind of useless compared to Zeus attack.
Maybe some kind of kinetic launcher or just put Ares on it?
shy plinth
Merciful end seems reasonable
spice tulip
if you're gonna be specialing why not achoolles
I'm trying to do runs with every aspect.
forest token
Maybe some kind of kinetic launcher or just put Ares on it?
just dont use the special unless it's dem
spice tulip
Merciful end seems reasonable
Grinding for it just seems like a hassle. I want something I can consistently get before Elysium. Otherwise 32 heat is going to be such a slog.
forest token
or to proc ME if you get the duo before ddash
spice tulip
just dont use the special unless it's dem
Oh, okay. They makes sense.
shy plinth
I mean you can still get decent enough damage output without hitting the duo right away
spice tulip
Maybe I might just slap Aphrodite on it for PS.
forest token
for zag fist you could just do ME tho lmao you'll probably get it
shy plinth
Priv status?
spice tulip
Yup.
forest token
Maybe I might just slap Aphrodite on it for PS.
not worth frankly
shy plinth
That seems less reliable than... anything else
wispy blade
Maybe I might just slap Aphrodite on it for PS.
maybe put aphrodite on it because she is the best ever!!!!!
spice tulip
I mean, I wasn't going to rely on it anyways, but if it comes up I might give it a shot.
forest token
if you want to use pstatus on fists, you'd need dio atk and passion dash lmao
forest token
I mean, I wasn't going to rely on it anyways, but if it comes up I might give it...
this is why we take family favorites over pstatus lmao
it's just consistent and there's no "well i might as well"
you also wont be forced to 1) get a boon to proc pstatus and 2) do weird combos to proc pstatus
shy plinth
You don't really need a particular build to clear 32 anyway
wispy blade
but 12% extra damage!!!
shy plinth
But merciful end sure makes things easy when you hit it
spice tulip
Thanks.
shy plinth
And it also means you get to keepsake Athena
forest token
yeah for 32 fists, i'd just do ME on all of them lmao