h1-high-heat-strategies

[forest token]

He's not running dc
hl5, lc4, cf1 ,js1 ,em3, bp2, mm, uc, fo2, ap1, td3

Prob should run dc tho tbh lol

[honest kernel]

I think not running Damage Control is valid for the sake of the timer

Especially with the full mirror

And Fiery Presence

Witches and Crystals are somewhat easy targets if you can get them to fast enough. If you see an opportunity to push them into other enemies, do so. They take a lot of knockback. Just watch out for the witches as their projectile point-blank is deadly

[forest token]

I guess
I just hate seeing the extra waves and enemies from js1 because I'm too used to not having it on at all and would rather deal with dc1 lol

[honest kernel]

Oh you don't even need js1 for that to happen

[haughty sky]

js3 td2 if based

[honest kernel]

Greatshields are surprisingly simple assuming no Benefits Package nonsense. I threat them similarly to the Spearmen, where I bait their lunge to group into other enemies. The disc for the most part doesn't get blocked (if at all)

[mossy zinc]

@upper juniper there, read all of that.

@honest kernel ty ty.

[honest kernel]

Butterfly Balls are stationary targets, and are kinda tanky. Push other enemies into those if you can (the butterfly ball doesn't take much knockback), otherwise you might be slowed down a bit and be forced to chunk away at them first. The butterflies themselves can be swatted away by your attack and dash-strike, as well as the disc itself, so it's another opportunity to get closer to them and deal damage (This bit applies to all projectiles, and this is why in the few runs that exists I just swat in a witch's face and get away with it)

^ Combine this bit with well timed bullrushes (Which have complete Invicibility for the entire duration, and this is crucial for approaching during enemy attacks), and you can be super aggressive while maintaining safety

[mossy zinc]

I assume he's probably losing quite a bit of time in Tartarus and Asphodel as well that adds up.

[honest kernel]

The whole pushing enemies and approaching during enemy attacks/bullet hell attacks is where most people can save time on this aspect

Delayed Dash-Strike is probably the safest move in the aspect's arsenal. You keep the Invincibility from the dash until you strike, the Dash-Strike itself will stun close range enemies, and delete most projectiles. You can transition into the blocking state after the Dash-Strike. You can push enemies with a Standing attack. You can put out the Disc for damage (Which is basically non-committal, and the Dash will let you be in a better position for the Disc itself)

Knowing the options from dashing in is how you close the gap and kill enemies, or push enemies into each other so you don't have to solo each one of them and have to reposition the disc

[mossy zinc]

Would probably help to just do some speedruns with Zeus to get the practice in and get mechanics down and work in some of the tips that @honest kernel wrote. (Probably unrealistic to get all of it down in a short time, but just absorb as much as you can.)

[honest kernel]

The biggest thing I would do is see what are your options against enemy attacks. Any option that let's you approach in is a good one, since it leads into the disc

Bullrush is usually a safe bet, but an empty dash or a delayed dash-strike is often just as valid, if not better

I could do a Shackle run at 40 heat with their setup and show them how I handle Elysium

[mossy zinc]

Maybe. But maybe that'll make him cry and give up seeing the skill gap.

I think it's probably a good idea tbh, gives him something to model his play after.

Just don't do the build because the idea is to use off-meta builds that like aren't on the spreadsheet or anything + take every Erebus. So if you use the same build, he'd have to use something else.

[honest kernel]

Yeah, hence why I'm going to stick with Shackle

It should mimic whatever build they would be going for

[forest token]

Oh I forgot about the every erebus thingy I skipped every erebus when I did it lmao

[mossy zinc]

Erebus is more fun when you're forced to take it tbh.

[old root]

I beat my first ever heat run, first try using heat, had 8 lol

Hera bow is so good

[honest kernel]

Posted the screen of the run in the victory boasting channel. Will get the video out soon

15:55 on a 4-sack. Aphrodite Aid was the last boon, in styx endshop

Very minimal build

I took 3 erebus gates I think ?

Got 2 onions

[mossy zinc]

Gaming.

[honest kernel]

Shackle for the first 2 biomes, switched to Accorn in Elysium

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSW8rCZMo9g @upper juniper You will want to check this link as a concept on how I handle some of the enemies

Video still processing.

[upper juniper]

Thanks
It seems like most of it boils down to knocking the lighter (knockback-wise) targets into the ones that won’t move as much so that blitz disc can hit them all at the same time?

That might be a massive over simplification

[honest kernel]

That's the basic idea. Even just knocking enemies into each other is good because they will more likely be in range of your attacks, and you might get body slam damage too which is genuinely massive

[upper juniper]

Whatever I can do to get more damage in

[honest kernel]

Whatever you can to get damage in without taking too much chip damage

Hell, even in my video I am a little more aggressive then necessary

Elysium has a nice mix of enemies to show the different patterns of play I use

[upper juniper]

Fair enough

[honest kernel]

Oh yeah I deliberately skip Explosive Return to show you don't need the good hammers to do well for the timer

Which was chamber 1

[upper juniper]

I’m been managing without really caring about my hammers for this since ap1 likes to hit everything nice and I’m not resetting

[mossy zinc]

Hmmm.

Baj's run is 15:55. Mine was 15:34.

That means I am the better Zeus player.

[upper juniper]

More often then not I end up with sudden rush as my first hammer because the other option was minotaur rush or something

[honest kernel]

Sudden Rush isn't a bad hammer at all for high heat

The faster charge means you get to bullrush accross the screen. When combined with dashes, you can be nearly invicible

[upper juniper]

I’ve actually found it really useful for these runs because without it shield charge is soooo slow

[honest kernel]

Since most things that could hit you are just out of range

[mossy zinc]

It's easy to over-shoot Sudden Rush if you don't have experience, so just be mindful of that.

[honest kernel]

Not that overshooting is a bad thing. You'll want to do it for bosses

[mossy zinc]

I mean over-shoot as in further than you intended.

[honest kernel]

That is fair. The charge rate is pretty fast with Sudden Rush

[upper juniper]

I find it really slow without sudden rush tbh, sudden rush feels more comfy

[honest kernel]

And this is why a lot of my normal bullrushes are mid-charges

I don't want to wait and block, I want to get in, so I'll just rush in, get the invicibility, and position myself in a way that dodged the attack while allowing me to strike

A few exceptions, namely numbskulls and tiny chariots, you'll want to line them up.

Video still processing

Oh right it cancelled. Lemme get back on it

Should be the same link

[upper juniper]

I also found myself lacking dos during Heroes and Hades fights even with an arguably… fine… build. Could just be a skill issue on my part or just not “hitting the boons” but idk

[mossy zinc]

Video processing %.

[honest kernel]

Extreme Measures 3 Heroes is a very tricky fight

[upper juniper]

Hl5 em3 fo2 asterius is the real issue for Heroes fight yeah

[honest kernel]

The best way I found for dealing with them was going on the minotaur while keeping track of where Theseus was. He has predictable movement patterns, and thus has plenty of openings you can take advantage of

[upper juniper]

I often find Theseus moving too fast for my special

[honest kernel]

When Theseus is slower/still, go for him. The minotaur will almost always follow

Only disc Theseus if he's still. Otherwise try to hit Asterius with it

[upper juniper]

aight

[mossy zinc]

Just wait for him to stand still tbh.

Yeah, what Baj said.

[warm dagger]

10/10 recommend Baj assessment.

Also can help if you catch them both with Battie if you choose it.

[honest kernel]

Get enough experience in the fight and you can make Asterius crash in front of Theseus which makes them both stuck

(I do it twice in the video LOL)

[upper juniper]

Antos moment

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel if you put all of your comments from today in one doc, you have a Zeus mechanics guide lol.

[honest kernel]

This would be part of it, yeah

[mossy zinc]

That was me saying you should do that.

[honest kernel]

I'm aware

[mossy zinc]

[upper juniper]

[honest kernel]

@upper juniper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSW8rCZMo9g

Video is up now

[upper juniper]

Ah thank you

I will watch it once I’m home and not using mobile data to look at discord

[mossy zinc]

Voice over and you have a Zeus mechanics video guide.

[distant pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801865511591215194/1057305690982588416/667b9121-e73a-4f91-9978-87fbfaf8254b.png

help

my only three boons

my precious children

uc demands a hefty sacrifice

[hoary pasture]

Dash

[distant pelican]

[hoary pasture]

It’s Hestia you’re fine

Probably Hestia

Just guessing

[distant pelican]

yeah

damn that hurt

[hoary pasture]

It is what it is

[distant pelican]

"wont be needing that" he says

also what keepsake should i take into ely

i never know

tooth?

[hoary pasture]

With 3 extra dashes you’ll have plenty of iframes so just focus on using them well, if you’re lucky maybe you get ddash again or something

[distant pelican]

mk

[hoary pasture]

You can do tooth if you’re scared of rooms and bp2 otherwise Acorn imo

Acorn is stronger in heroes but doesn’t give you anything for rooms

[distant pelican]

if i die in rooms im probably not going to do too hot in boss fight anyway

anyway time to hope for patty and 2 sack

[hoary pasture]

Well, some rooms are way worse than bosses at 50 heat

[distant pelican]

infinite shield bros

[hoary pasture]

The boss fights are usually reasonably consistent

But a room full of fellas with a stupid bp2 combo can be a nightmare

[distant pelican]

died in a normal room

probably wouldve timed out aswell

[hoary pasture]

Go again

[distant pelican]

no

[hoary pasture]

1 run wont cut it

[upper juniper]

Thanks so much, this was really eye opening for me

[distant pelican]

yes it will that was my one run for the fortnight

[forest token]

Fortnite?!?! Victory royale??!?!

Hades from Fortnite??!

[mossy zinc]

@upper juniper did you win yet?

[upper juniper]

I left for supper upon entering ely

Now I’m participating in festivities

[mossy zinc]

Having a whole party mid-run.

[upper juniper]

[peak sail]

is the game better on mouse and keyboard?

[forest token]

doesn't particularly matter

a lot of players do either kbm or controller

[mossy zinc]

If I tried to learn the game on KBM now, I'd waste so much time on that just to get my current skill level that I could have spent practicing on pad and improving.

[forest token]

lmao yeah just pick one and stick with it

although i did hear that luci on controller is kinda pain

luci special specifically

[peak sail]

which one is that?

[forest token]

rail

[peak sail]

does it require manual aiming?

is that why?

[forest token]

i dont know i dont use luci or controller lol

[mossy zinc]

I don't mind Lucifer on pad.

What's "bad" is trying to aim your Attack at the bombs to set them off, but that's like... not really an issue tbh. You just use Lightning Strike and your dash for that.

[upper juniper]

Not really

[forest token]

I thought amb said it kinda sucks

[upper juniper]

I don’t have an issue with it

But maybe my expectations are lower

[distant pelican]

at the highest levels i think some people switch input methods for luci mid fight

[hexed sapphire]

mouse tech/steam deck tech is cracked

[upper juniper]

Wth?

[haughty sky]

aiming triple bomb w cursor during boss invincibility bubbles

idk about outside that

[distant pelican]

binding special to left click so you can tap the screen?

[hexed sapphire]

yeah

[hexed sapphire]

Wmic (fastest luci runner) uses it

in certain combats he'll pause to use mouse aim

[polar robin]

HL5 and CF2 instead of damage control and tight deadline?

also what build are you specifying or is it any build?

why aphro athena?

oh wait nvm

ok no FO at all?

[mossy zinc]

No. Running circles around enemies that move in slow motion is easier than fighting against FO enemies.

[polar robin]

also wbt the keepsakes?

is that for a specific build/weapon you were referencing or general

[mossy zinc]

Works on near everything.

But you were using bow anyway.

Eternal Rose for Heartbreak Strike start to get Weak and high % damage.

[polar robin]

yea chiron. debating whether dio or arty is better

[mossy zinc]

Then Owl Pendant for Divine Dash and DDs.

If you lose your SD in the chamber before picking up one of Lady Athena's boons that "replenish" a DD, you'll get the DD and when you enter the next chamber, you also get your SD back.

Works fine on Malphon tbh.

But you'd be better off just doing Merciful End.

[mossy zinc]

Well, start Heartbreak Strike and just pick up whichever you see first out of those two.

Probably use Privileged Status.

Can also start Heartbreak Flourish if it's higher rarity than her Attack.

Frost Flourish is also decent if you don't see the others and she is in your pool.

[polar robin]

i usually go tdash first and try for exclusive access and nectar duos along with the core build

[mossy zinc]

Also look out for Zeus' Aid to potentially get Smair.

Well, picking up Tidal Dash won't hurt if you see that. But if you don't get that or Divine Dash before Asphodel, go for Divine Dash.

It's basically the same strat that I used earlier today on 51 Heat with Zag Bow. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/1057870500782682184/Hades_5275.png

[polar robin]

what if i don't use a boon keepsake and rng it?

and death reset until something good

[mossy zinc]

It's pretty difficult to die if you have Weak and other damage reduction or Life Affirmation and extra DDs from Lady Athena, Divine Dash...

[polar robin]

i feel like HL5 kinda deals dmg

and negates everythign else going on for u

[mossy zinc]

But you're not getting hit a lot with FO0.

And quite the opposite, damage reduction is even stronger if enemies hit harder.

If before you were hit with a 40-damage attack, Weak reduces that by 12 damage. If you have HL5 and it's a 80-damage attack, then Weak reduces that by 24 damage.

[polar robin]

eh ig, i'll give it a shot

[mossy zinc]

There's variants depending on weapon aspect etc., but it's been the most consistent strat for players doing their first 32 Heat.

[polar robin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057885851708837959/image.png?width=1385&height=779

asphodel time. should i go athena or aphro keepsake?

[mossy zinc]

Well, now you're not gonna get both.

[forest token]

Aphrodite probably lmao

Actually what hammer is that

[polar robin]

150% on atk

[forest token]

Ah

Could probably get away with using Athena if you want to DD cheese

Otherwise Aphrodite

[polar robin]

i prolly won't need acorn for 3rd.. so i'll save dd cheese tehere

[quartz mantle]

Aphro for Heart Rend if you want damage, neither of the cores that are open for Athena are particularly good at saving you save for the cast kinda

[forest token]

decent chance you might tbh

[mossy zinc]

Good luck without Acorn.

[quartz mantle]

You want Aprho attack -> Heart Rend if it wasn't clear

Athena call is not something I would discount either

[mossy zinc]

RIN — Today at 5:57 AM
eh ig, i'll give it a shot
Goes for something completely different.

Athena's Aid won't unlock DDs, though.

[quartz mantle]

Athena Call kinda damage

[polar robin]

ahh the arty on the rng was too tempting

[quartz mantle]

It won't, but on its own it supplies more than athena attack or cast

imo at least

[polar robin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1057887323091636264/image.png?width=948&height=779

maybe i just get aphro aid here instead of heart shot

idk if i wanna rng

[quartz mantle]

You have rolls do you not

[polar robin]

i need a boon to purge later anyway

i have 2 rolls

[quartz mantle]

What did you spend 3 of them on

[polar robin]

hermes....

[quartz mantle]

bestie...

[polar robin]

T_T

[mossy zinc]

I'd take Phalanx Shot over it any day tbh. Great pom scaling and solves any projectile problems in Asphodel and Elysium.

Roll for Attack there, since that's what you want.

[polar robin]

YO i rolled and got epic heartbreak shot

gambling fr B)

[mossy zinc]

There you go.

[quartz mantle]

Yea but with the chaos special you're getting more out of uninterrupted special volleys than Phalanx imo

especially against bosses like EM3 Asterius

Oh my god wait you have olympian favor on

Are you even gonna get sell boons

[mossy zinc]

Ah, didn't even see that.

Well, it's only 32, should be fine.

Build is pretty much already done anyway. Just get a decent Call and hope for Heart Rend.

If it's Artemis' Aid, put some poms on it.

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/TCDzsGnYUg2z

GG

[quartz mantle]

video gaming

[polar robin]

i have light of ixion in the well, do i want a chaos gate in elysium with 1 roll or is it too risky

actually 0 rolls

[mossy zinc]

You can go for it.

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/TqfPHhrvL_Y3
ast time with 10 hp

wait nvm without FO2 its easy

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, now you're getting it.

[polar robin]

i time failed T_T

[mossy zinc]

Switch to Dark Foresight.

Also Gods' Pride and Deep Pockets.

[quartz mantle]

Priviliged Status isnt really doing much for you

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/tXgZcPTOy_iq

this then?

[quartz mantle]

Ruthless is

also a choice

[polar robin]

wait oops

thats a msiclikc

[quartz mantle]

lol

[mossy zinc]

Privileged Status is decent for Chiron Heartbreak Strike start.

[quartz mantle]

Other than that yea is good

[mossy zinc]

Which is what I recommended originally.

[polar robin]

its whatever flourish i get first

arty or dio

[quartz mantle]

Yea Aphro start is pretty good for Chiron cause it's flexible

[mossy zinc]

Frost Flourish is also good if you have Heartbreak Strike and Privileged Status.

[quartz mantle]

you can work with Arty, Dio, Ares, even Demeter Special

and 3/4 of those go good w/ PS

so it depends on what you're starting with

[mossy zinc]

I'd put Tempest Flourish over Curse of Pain tbh.

[polar robin]

if i wanna take off 1 TD, where to spend the other 3 heat?

cali program?

[mossy zinc]

If you wanna take off 1 TD, don't.

[quartz mantle]

if you're starting with Aphro PS is a good option, but if you want Arty Special specifically I would go for Family Favorite

No

[polar robin]

i time failed already T_T

some of the elysium rooms take years

[mossy zinc]

Well, it was your first attempt and you were running without Dark Foresight on top of it.

[quartz mantle]

Making enemies have more health would make that even worse

You can try TD2 with AP1 DC1

see if that works better

[mossy zinc]

Goodbye good Chiron builds.

[quartz mantle]

AP1 isn't that bad

[polar robin]

i'll keep the td2, but i wanna put dc1 in. should i get rid of cf for it

[quartz mantle]

Chiron can work with AP1

you need like

2 boons

[mossy zinc]

Ngl, just run TD3 and learn to deal with it. That's better than doing a worse pact and having to deal with that.

[quartz mantle]

I would personally recommend against CF

[mossy zinc]

DC1 wastes lots of time.

[quartz mantle]

I will agree with nyaanyaa if you plan on doing 32 over multiple weapons or going beyond 32 it's much better to get used to playing fast and being used to TD3

Than to spend longer fighting harder enemies with worse builds

[mossy zinc]

Even if it's your first 32 Heat, TD3 is just easier than other options.

[polar robin]

hehe i rng'd first boon again

https://prnt.sc/DJvlfg_zC-wh

[quartz mantle]

cause the thing is right that 3 heat you have to put into other pacts will just make your run worse

and make you slower

[polar robin]

ima save this run for tmrw since its midnight rn, thx for all the help ^^

[quartz mantle]

Yea np

[mossy zinc]

Us giving advice on builds:

[mossy zinc]

RIN:

[polar robin]

IT WRKED

[mossy zinc]

Well, it didn't last run.

[polar robin]

skill issue

i kinda mightve done an coin treasure trove

anyways, lesson learned, speed shoes on

[mossy zinc]

Pom Blossom start is kinda sad on anything that's not a Cast build tbh.

[polar robin]

what other keepsake works for rng tararus

[peak sail]

how do i send photos

[mossy zinc]

"I'm not able to directly upload in those other channels!"
This is true, we only allow direct image uploads in hades-victory-boasting and fan-works. However, link embeds are allowed. Upload your content to an external host such as Imgur, or even your own private Discord server, and post the image link to the appropriate channel.

[polar robin]

they should make pic sending global :c

[mossy zinc]

It's been suggested many times, but the devs evidently don't want it.

[peak sail]

if i reroll withe the daeduls purchase at the last charon shop

will i get the same move reroll?

like lets say i have two special daeduleses

will the reroll also be special based?

[mossy zinc]

What?

No, it removes one at random and gives you two at random.

Not really a high heat question tbh, that's more #h1-builds-and-combat.

[fringe spindle]

aprho cast boe

[peak sail]

Soorry will keep it in the right channel

[polar robin]

hammer or chaos gate in tartarus?

on one hand, +4 volley but on the other, +50% special dmg...

[jaunty falcon]

Chaos

You’ll get the hammer later

[polar robin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/753360819479380171/1058125014777483394/image.png?width=662&height=778

is this good for 41 heat?

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah looks good

[peak sail]

purge rare battle rage or static discharge

[forest token]

For eris?

Battle rage

[peak sail]

ok thats what i thought too

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/GVs-Qi3aECQK

hestia rail, i have hazard bomb though

[hoary pasture]

Can see myself rolling this too, needs a bit more context tho, the Hermes looks yarned but I’m just guessing

[surreal spear]

Wow 32 heat is absolutely rough. Best i could do is get to Lernie. Those rooms with the mfs that spawn ghosts in tartarus frustrate me to no end

Tried it a few times, idk how yall do it

[shy plinth]

Practice 🙂

(And a good pact/mirror setup)

[mossy zinc]

Talent and good looks.

[shy plinth]

The Nyaanyaa special

[warm dagger]

Ai, practice and mirror setup seconded.

[mossy zinc]

I don't know anyone who uses AI at 32.

[distant pelican]

ai?

[upper juniper]

Using AI to beat Hades?

[shy plinth]

I'm assuming that is just "aye" spelled differently

[glass silo]

someone teach an ai to beat hades

[timber pike]

yknow that sounds epic

[glass silo]

sounds difficult too but

you could get an ai to make decisions tho

Feed it a few thousand runs to show it what does and doesn’t work

[timber pike]

imagine an AI beating max heat

[shy plinth]

I always assumed Baj was a hades robot sent from the future

[timber pike]

honestly I wonder whats the highest heat the AI could manage

would watch a video about this

or a whole video series

[glass silo]

same

but I think outside of decision making idk if an ai could learn hades within a reasonable time frame

[forest token]

Too many boon combos, movements, room layouts, enemies, etc lmao

You could probably get ai on a routed run but idk about unrouted

[quartz mantle]

I'm sure you could teach an ai to make the right macro choices like boons and rewards

but the actual combat might be a bit more tricky

[glass silo]

Yeah that’s what I was saying

espec if you feed it runs to analyze instead of just letting it do random and rewarding good/punishing bad until it learns

2nd way also means you have to know what’s good/bad choices which is the whole point of the ai

[polar robin]

tried 50 heat. was going well until i time failed in elysium

JS3 CP2 makes clearing so difficult

[forest token]

Don't take js3 cp2 then

What's your pact

Cp1 is generally taken because of hell mode

Not cp2 tho

Hs and ap are options

[haughty sky]

cp2 is only taken when the other option is ri3/4

or if there is no other option

[hexed sapphire]

smth like rama can take cp2 fine because it overkills most basic enemies anyway

buffing bosses kinda sucks tho

[quartz mantle]

You could also just do math, lots of information about the mechanics of this game is known so you could give it a goal of something like "get Merciful End" and it'll pick all the mathmatically best options to get it

[glass silo]

yeah but

first 6 words make that a no

[quartz mantle]

You'd probably logistically have to break it down into steps but I think it could work

Honestly I don't really know how ai works on a technical level so I'm really just talking just to talk

but I do feel like you could get it to be like a chess computer

where it knows the mathematically best option in each scenario given your goal

[polar robin]

fishing ai

[quiet mountain]

ai resets until perfect seed

[mossy zinc]

AI casts before doors for good luck.

[glossy mica]

Ok so

Having trouble with forced overtime 2

Are there any tips

[quartz mantle]

Other than the obligatory "get good", if you cannot reliably beat FO2 I would recommend either playing with it at lower heat to get used to it or turning it off

[valid wharf]

also get good

but i cant say that

because i do fo1 🤡

[distant pelican]

i got to last phase hades in 50 heat and then got hit by a pot

got that far without patty aswell

[jaunty falcon]

You’re pretty close then

Gl

[surreal spear]

Armored Theseus/Asterius on 32 heat is insane

Cant see wtf is going on bc of all the smoke and bombs

[polar robin]

trick is to oneshot them. you can point up and meg summon immediatly to hit both of them and depending on your build, stand on them with acorn and kill them in like 10 seconds

[forest token]

that's like

flood mirage rd beo, clockets eris, or twin+point blank/perfect rama lmao

maybe lightning phalanx achilles, needs rd

[polar robin]

ok i may be biased as i do play a lot of rail, but killing asterius fast is very doable on any aspect with a reasonable build

[forest token]

yeah but i dont think you'd be killing both in 10 seconds lmao

[polar robin]

and em2 asterius is the only real danger, em2 theseus is honestly easier than em1

[forest token]

what

isn't it just em3

vs not em3

[polar robin]

em3*

[forest token]

lmao

[polar robin]

xD

i find the chariot a lot less threatening than sniper spears

and his dmg cap is lower so the god phase doesn't last long at all

[forest token]

what makes em3 hard is the fact that theseus and the bull have a lot more area denial, and it's easy to get stun locked via bullets or the beyblade

[polar robin]

me who uses acorn and ranged:

[forest token]

and ofc the raining bombs while dealing with the bull

[forest token]

i mean you still have to deal with the area denial

[polar robin]

a little bit, but its not bad when you can push both to half hp in 1 second

[forest token]

he runs through the middle of the arena firing bullets after bombing the sides, so you're fighting the bull all over the place

[forest token]

are you playing rama lmao

or eris

[polar robin]

no hestia

[forest token]

hestia doesn't have that kind of dps lmao it's fast but not that fast unless you have clockets

[polar robin]

i did have clockets for the 40 heat run but no clockets for the 32 heats

it honestly was really fast, not 10 seconds fast but damageless fast

[forest token]

10 sec is like

wr pace lmfao

for em3

[polar robin]

i think the worst part of the fight is FO2 bull charging

[surreal spear]

well, meg came to my room and has been gone for a while, waiting to give her ambrosia lol

[polar robin]

hermes boons kinda mitigate it but without it, its tough, esp on kbm

[forest token]

wouldnt you just use the same technique as nonem3

walls/pillars

[hoary pasture]

Try dashing back and forth through a pillar

[forest token]

or use theseus himself as a pillar lmao

[hoary pasture]

Or wall but pillar is most reliable

[polar robin]

yah, i think on my last run, i would just save aphro call for it

[hoary pasture]

That also works but if you miss

[polar robin]

yep lol

honestly, i find the satyr rooms more dangerous than the theseus asterius fight without clockets

[forest token]

does high heat not start tdash

[polar robin]

it does, but the satyrs are really tanky

esp with the hp buff condition

[forest token]

ah

well

dont run cp lmao

[polar robin]

its that or jury summons 😢

[forest token]

js is better

because it doesnt buff boss hp

[polar robin]

and on hestia i'd rather do more hp

[hoary pasture]

How much heat are you doing

[polar robin]

40

[forest token]

goodbye break points

[hoary pasture]

Yea I'd probably just throw JS1

[forest token]

with cp you need more damage to kill, with js1 you just need to kill more

and it's generally easier to kill more than get damage

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/1KzGkPi7Kmay

this is what i beat 40 heat on

[jaunty falcon]

How comfortable are you with HS

[polar robin]

if i learn em4, i could defo remove CP

NOT at all

i die in asphodel with HS

and if not, i'll step into an elysium trap and also get oneshot

[jaunty falcon]

It’s good to learn if you plan on doing 50

[hoary pasture]

I'd take JS2 instead or AP1

Or yea learn HS it's worth it

And not that bad

Trust me

[forest token]

hs sucks but it's the most free thing on there

other than like js1

[polar robin]

i'll prolly do this for 50

[jaunty falcon]

That’s 40

[forest token]

isn't that the same pact

lmao

[hoary pasture]

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/FWvIvi2wCSp9

yeah oops

[jaunty falcon]

[forest token]

at this point wouldn't you take ri

[hoary pasture]

moyai

[jaunty falcon]

Looks terrible

Ngl

It’s a good pact for Beowulf

[forest token]

js3 cp2 will kill your time

lmfao

[polar robin]

doesn't RI affect stubborn defiance

[forest token]

true

[hoary pasture]

Hell mode CP1 or Ri2 yea

[forest token]

not yet

[jaunty falcon]

In fact that is exactly the pact I used for first beo 50

[polar robin]

i managed to do 40 in 14 minutes

[forest token]

ri4 removes sd doesnt it

or is it ri3

[polar robin]

so i don't think JS will be that annoying

[forest token]

either way

[jaunty falcon]

Ri4

[polar robin]

esp if i get clockets

[forest token]

you can at least take ri1 or 2

[polar robin]

i'll try RI, i've never used it before

[forest token]

js3 isn't the bad part here, it's the fact that you also have cp2 on with it

[polar robin]

but it seems kinda scary, also makes rng worse

[jaunty falcon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/725021639506526249/861367039608487936/2021070423035700-C7D8C4153CC9802713604F54C53304E0.jpg this was my first 50 pact

[polar robin]

again, clockets carry

[hoary pasture]

I probably used something similar

[jaunty falcon]

CP0 JS2

[hoary pasture]

Or hell mode

[polar robin]

clockets with deadly flourish makes any clear kinda free

and hunter's mark

[hoary pasture]

nvm mine is ass

[forest token]

to be fair it's hestia
at this point you just need a good atk and special lmao

[hoary pasture]

RI0 CP2

[jaunty falcon]

I’d rather fight em3 with no clockets than em4 with clockets

[haughty sky]

nice hammerless 50

[jaunty falcon]

Lmao level 6 vengeance

[hoary pasture]

At this point you have to expect to run with the bare minimum, Hestia is good at that since it's not needy

50 that is

[polar robin]

meg + clockets instantly pushed hades out of 1.1, if i make good use of acorns, i should be chilling

[jaunty falcon]

You underestimate how hard em4 is

[forest token]

you wont be able to use your acorn with js3 cp2 on lmao

[jaunty falcon]

Especially with CP2 FO2 HL5

[forest token]

oh with em4 dont people take tooth also

[jaunty falcon]

Sometimes spearpoint

[forest token]

because the adds just burn the acorn

[haughty sky]

all three are fine

[polar robin]

this is what i ran on 40 heaet

[jaunty falcon]

I just don’t use em4

[polar robin]

its just the em4 diff

[hoary pasture]

It's not an easy acorn anymore but still very viable

[jaunty falcon]

Which makes it so much harder

[haughty sky]

you can find some em4 save and practise

you’ll find chat is correct

[polar robin]

i'll try em4 yeah. i've seen vids of it and it looks alright?

[jaunty falcon]

My 54 doesn’t even use em4

[hoary pasture]

Just try it

[jaunty falcon]

Both hesty and beo

[polar robin]

thought the vids were on chiron with like greatest reflex +4

[forest token]

it's a lot harder than it looks lmao

[jaunty falcon]

It’s fine at low heats

Since you’ll have a good build

[forest token]

em4 at high heat is pain

[hoary pasture]

I mean the idea of that 50 pact is to have a good build

But use Hell mode instead

Keep EM4

And practice it

[forest token]

true ap1 ri0 should end up with a decent build

[polar robin]

RI2 better than EM4?

[forest token]

assuming you dont time out

[hoary pasture]

RI2 is easier

[polar robin]

i'll try that then probably

[hoary pasture]

Here is my EM4 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/903215893998346251/958788112601972836/Hades_SOTGoAIaqi.png

RI0 gives me a massive hp pool and AP1 gives me a good build

So it's chill

You just gotta be not total trash at EM4 and you're fine

[polar robin]

was frost strike forced or do you prefer that over hearbreak strike

[jaunty falcon]

Doubt it was forced since ap1

[hoary pasture]

I started Demeter this run for Frost Strike but I wouldn't if I were to do that again

I'd start Heartbreak Strike

[polar robin]

start it or get it? bc don't you start tdash?

[jaunty falcon]

Not at 50

[forest token]

i dont think you start tdash at 50 lmao

[hoary pasture]

I start with Attack

Tidal Dash with EM4 is pretty risky

[forest token]

because you need to deal with cp2 at this point

[hoary pasture]

Even if offered I doubt I would take Tidal Dash on an EM4 pact unless I'm really confident

[polar robin]

oh no fated persuasion 💀

uhh yea i think i'd rather take my chances with EM4 than RI2

[hoary pasture]

Hestia is a safe aspect but at this level you're not nuking bosses so for example EM4 is gonna take a while, you're not gonna be that safe

Be prepared for the Hestia autoaim madness

[spiral jay]

What's em4

[hoary pasture]

Extreme Measures 4. A pact modifier that makes the Hades fight tougher

[spiral jay]

Ah ok

Ty

[hoary pasture]

At very high heats you'll usually see people avoiding it because it's tough

[polar robin]

go for ddash instead of tdash?

[spiral jay]

I just started playing a week ago

[forest token]

yeah and also dd cheese

[hoary pasture]

Yea I like that, wouldn't mind Special either

[forest token]

you should probably stick to #h1-for-new-players if you haven't reached the credits yet lol

if you have then that's neat

[spiral jay]

I've ridden with Charon already

Trying to fulfill all the prophecies

[forest token]

ah nice

do 50 heat you'll get the pact condition one done pretty fast i bet

[spiral jay]

Oh I've only done 32....

I did the pact condition

I think I need the Athena/poseidon for the duo prophecy, and judt a few hammer upgrades

Do you guys think gilfamesh is pretty good for dash builds?

[jaunty falcon]

Yes

[forest token]

isn't that like the one thing gilga is good at

[jaunty falcon]

It’s the best aspect for it if you’re only using dashes

If you’re not limiting yourself to that then eris might be better

[polar robin]

i got the worst room to get on hestia...

skull spam with DC shields

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah they suck…

[polar robin]

not possible with JS3

[spiral jay]

Poseidon probably the safest dash yea?

[jaunty falcon]

Divine

[polar robin]

i think i may start tdash anyway

just to get thru tartarus

[hoary pasture]

You could do that

[spiral jay]

For gilgadash?

[jaunty falcon]

Ohh thought this was high heat discussion

Yeah tidal is best by far for dash only

[spiral jay]

Does tidal not hold up in high heat,

?

[jaunty falcon]

It’s solid but the safety of divine dash is preferred usually

My first 50 used drunken dash though lol

[spiral jay]

Oh I've rarely tried thst

[jaunty falcon]

It’s not good, I had no other option

[spiral jay]

Ah lol

[jaunty falcon]

Got it in styx and had no rerolls

[hoary pasture]

You don't try it, the game just gives it to you

[polar robin]

should i avoid skull rooms in elysium bc they are more likely to have armored foes

[jaunty falcon]

Trials?

[hoary pasture]

I assume the blue laurels

With skulls

[jaunty falcon]

Ah

[hoary pasture]

I usually just take the better one idc about the skull

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah same

[polar robin]

yea any of the skull rooms, but miniboss is also good

butterfly is free

[spiral jay]

It's never my first 2 option if I see it

Generally hard swipe left on drunk dash

[polar robin]

oops just ruined my god pool with forced zeus... should i reset

if have pos, dio, zeus, i want arty and aprho still..

[jaunty falcon]

Don’t reset unless you die

[haughty sky]

i reset the moment a numbskull appears on my screen

[surreal spear]

LOL i get so mad

[mossy zinc]

Numbskulls are free.

[peak sail]

any tips on finishing harsh conditions fated list

the one where you have to complete each heat at least once

[forest token]

just do one run at a time where you add like 1 or 2 together

at low heat it's not a big issue

it becomes more of an issue when you use them all at the same time

the only ones that will actually suck a lot is like, ap1 and ri1

dc1 depending on aspect

i mean if it's low heat you can make a lot of things work frankly

[forest token]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/zz95k0/some_peoples_stubbornness_rivals_that_of_zagreus/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

God this is so true

[peak sail]

are they bad for 32 heat?

[forest token]

yep

ap2 isn't needed until 50+ heat

same with any level of ri

[hexed sapphire]

ultra high starts shackle or heartbreak strike

[forest token]

fair

[haughty sky]

hazard bomb kinda tdash

[surreal spear]

pretty good with hestia, no?

[mossy zinc]

Yes, Hazard Bomb is great for high heat Hestia.

[surreal spear]

Y'all pick boss rooms in styx on high heat, or non boss rooms first?

[hoary pasture]

Boss rooms always

[mossy zinc]

I pick whatever rewards I want unless pressed for time.

The miniboss rewards are often best anyway, but it's not always the case.

And if you have the time, there's no need to prioritize miniboss tunnels.

[surreal spear]

Hm, if you get the tiny vermin you're f'd haha

[mossy zinc]

Unless you don't feel comfortable with the regular large encounters, I guess.

Eh, Tiny Vermin is fine.

[surreal spear]

Eh, sack was in last tunnel and i ran out of time(td2) on hades

RNG gods failed me

[surreal spear]

i just cant catch the bastard haha

[mossy zinc]

If you time out on TD2, it's not the RNG gods' fault, unfortunately.

What's your pact and build strategy? Maybe there's something we can help with there.

[warm dagger]

Yeah yeah.. What does your mirror look like?

[surreal spear]

5 mins is fine for tartarus/asph since i finish with 90 secs extra on each. Elysium is terrible because of the god forsaken chariots. Styx is RNG for me because im bad.

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, I was just saying TD2 is a matter of practice, not RNG.

[surreal spear]

cant put images here, tagged u on boasting

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, please don't do that.

You can just upload them imgur or something and share the link here.

[hoary pasture]

Check pins in this channel

[surreal spear]

Aight gimme a sec sorry

[mossy zinc]

"I'm not able to directly upload in those other channels!"
This is true, we only allow direct image uploads in hades-victory-boasting and fan-works. However, link embeds are allowed. Upload your content to an external host such as Imgur, or even your own private Discord server, and post the image link to the appropriate channel.

[hoary pasture]

Your pact is kinda all over the place, improving it will make it easier

to win

[mossy zinc]

What rail are you using?

[hoary pasture]

Looked like Eris

[mossy zinc]

Oh yeah, I forgot it's displayed on the pact screen lol. I just read Adamant Rail.

[surreal spear]

Eris w Zeus attack, Artemis special and Athena/Poseidon dash

[mossy zinc]

Reset your mirror btw and make sure you max out Dark Foresight.

[warm dagger]

Did you have a chance to take Poseidon special before your Arty choice?

Or Poseidon dash?

[mossy zinc]

You don't want Tempest Flourish on Eris really.

[warm dagger]

I was thinking more Sea Storm with Eris.

[surreal spear]

Some youtuber said take Artemis so i just do haha, i always figured maybe Aphro would be better?

[warm dagger]

That is where I have had most success with the aspect.

[surreal spear]

For the weak perhaps

[hoary pasture]

Artemis and Aprho are generally best

[warm dagger]

Agree

[hoary pasture]

But if you get offered a high rarity Demeter or Athena I would take it still

Poseidon Special is alright but usually there are other things you want

Sea Storm isnt really a big deal on Eris

Not needed

It's alright if you get it but dont hunt for it

[warm dagger]

Oh I know that.. Just the most success that I have had is all.

[mossy zinc]

Sea Storm wasn't even a high priority on Eris back when Tidal Dash unlocked it.

https://i.imgur.com/50E6APn.png

That should be a decent pact for Eris.

[warm dagger]

That's what I do on 32

[mossy zinc]

Start Lightning Strike, then go for Tidal Dash next. Like, literally just do the any heat speedrun build.

[surreal spear]

40% Fo

[mossy zinc]

Could do HL0 JS1 instead of HL1 JS0 tbh. Would be easier boss fights.

[mossy zinc]

Doesn't matter if everything is dead because Eris.

[warm dagger]

Learning FO for high heat is a must

[hoary pasture]

Or do HL5 FO0

[surreal spear]

i do 20, ill go for 40

[mossy zinc]

HL5 FO0 works great, too, and what I usually recommend at 32. Just Eris likes to be hyper-aggressive, so HL0 FO2 can be nice.

Or HL1 FO2 if you want to avoid JS or CF.

[surreal spear]

i gues fo2 would also make everything go by faster as well

[mossy zinc]

Makes enemies spawn faster, yeah.

[surreal spear]

https://tinyurl.com/4f7ndren

Should i change anything here?

[mossy zinc]

And move towards you faster, i.e. move towards death faster.

[mossy zinc]

Yes. Max out Dark Foresight.

[surreal spear]

working on it

[warm dagger]

And maybe try SD for LC4

[surreal spear]

put all darkness into it

[mossy zinc]

SD for LC4, yeah.

[surreal spear]

SD as in stubborn defiance? All my lives

[warm dagger]

Stubborn gives you as many lives as rooms you go to essentially

[hoary pasture]

You need SD to heal

[surreal spear]

Yeah dont have the darkness for it rn but ill get it real quick

[hoary pasture]

Just reset with a key

[surreal spear]

ah right

forgot thats a mechanic lol

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, resetting with key is what I meant when I said max out Dark Foresight lol.

[surreal spear]

My bad lol

[mossy zinc]

Heartbreak Flourish + Drunken Strike Eris with Privileged Status kinda comfy.

[surreal spear]

God damn LC4 is rough. This run was way easier than before tho lol, still failed at hades

[hoary pasture]

Only a matter of time

[mossy zinc]

Make sure you go for Touch of Styx Dark when you see Patroclus.

[mossy zinc]

@surreal spear btw Eris wants Fiery Presence, not Shadow. The Special can't backstab anyway.

[surreal spear]

Dang i didnt even realize i had it on lmao

My mirror runs purely on vibes

[distant pelican]

you were already on fiery anyway

[mossy zinc]

No, the victory screen has Shadow Presence.

[surreal spear]

nah i switched later for some mysterious reason

Gotta keep em guessing

[distant pelican]

ah right i was looking here

[hoary pasture]

That pact is not highrolling Clockets, it doesnt care. DC can slow you down so you dont take it this early unless you're confident with the timer, the first hit will no longer stagger enemies either, that's quite noticeable with FO2

Piercing is by far the best here. Delta does nothing. Explosive is a slight bit of AoE but not much aside from that

Not on Hestia's Empowered Shot

[mossy zinc]

I wouldn't personally recommend it over my pact, but I mean it also works.

Purge Special I guess.

Then purge dashes.

[mossy zinc]

Happy High Heat Year!

[jaunty falcon]

Athena

[mossy zinc]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

Don't get too caught up on that.

[pseudo kernel]

distant memory

[mossy zinc]

Just because Amir et al. think the god pool should naturally stop at 4 doesn't mean you should stop at 4.

Who knows if Amir even beat 32 at this point, what does he know about how many gods in a pool is the best amount.

Phalanx Shot is great and unlocks DDs.

There's also Sure Footing which is comfy if you have HS.

Athena's Aid is also great.

I see you fear HS.

Fear is for the weak.

Imagine trying to revive for SD heals in Elysium without HS.

If you're not even listening to rmacinty's advice, what do you want me to say.

Hey @jaunty falcon, @honest kernel here says your advice sucks.

[distant pelican]

[jaunty falcon]

I’m ngl I didn’t even see the dem

Although you only need like 2 Athena boons anyway

5 god pool is bad for Zeus builds but for 32 heat I don’t really care

[mossy zinc]

IMO Owl Pendant is in fact the most comfy pick if you're worried you might throw the run.

If you don't get a DD, you don't get a DD; but Phalanx Shot or Athena's Aid would be nice regardless, and having a chance at DDs is nice regardless.

It be like that sometimes.

Rama builds god gauge just fine without Smair.

[distant pelican]

which surely means it's more likely to happen now

fr

[mossy zinc]

Personally I might run Thunder Signet for either Thunder Flourish and Dionysus' Aid (+ hopefully Smair) or just for Zeus' Aid (+ Smair) and put Chill or Hangover on Special.

[distant pelican]

athena watching you intentionally lose an sd just to give you sure footing

[mossy zinc]

In fact, Thunder Signet and if I see Lord Dionysus before picking up Lord Zeus's boon, I'll pick up that first for either Drunken Flourish or Dionysus' Aid and then pick up the Lord Zeus boon after that for the other slot.

Eh, you're not speedrunning.

[jaunty falcon]

Rama isn’t too RD reliant anyway

[mossy zinc]

Oh really. I'll add that to my notes.

[jaunty falcon]

Since it’s kinda hard to benefit from hyper sprint

And you take less Zeus at high heat

[mossy zinc]

Yes.

[jaunty falcon]

Crush shot bad

Dying lament v good on Rama

Yeah

It’s pretty good in general

Second wind is good

Rd odds are already gonna be lowered if you have a call

I’d just take the second wind

[mossy zinc]

Save your rolls for when you get bad offers, not when you want to high-roll when there's already a good offer.

[jaunty falcon]

Get smair

[mossy zinc]

That's +5% more than a 5 god pool.

Well, it's how Family Favorite works.

Are you trying to do all weapon aspects 32 Heat?

But 16 is basically 0 Heat.

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah don’t do all aspects 16 honestly

You’ll get bored

Special

Then sell it

[mossy zinc]

I would roll personally.

I don't think too highly of Frozen Touch anymore tbh.

[jaunty falcon]

No

[mossy zinc]

Sweet Surrender, Broken Resolve, Different League all high value options if you have Weak and Second Wind already.

What negative scaling?

You don't pom Different League, that's true.

The more damage reduction and dodge chance you already have, the more eHP value you get from any additional damage reduction and dodge chance.

And it also increases the value of any max HP you pick up.

When that's already increased a lot by epic Life Affirmation.

Not guaranteed, I think, but very likely.

Yes.

[hoary pasture]

If modded 5+4 or 4+4 yes

[mossy zinc]

8-9 chambers in Styx, it varies.

If you have to skip mid-shop, then you might lose it before Hades, yeah.

[hoary pasture]

Then no guarantees that the second is short tunnel

[mossy zinc]

You can still revive before the fight and go in with near full HP anyway.

Yes.

Might as well.

Do you have Phalanx Shot actually?

To even get DD.

And you lost your SD?

Good good.

Yeah, might as well reroll for DD.

Blinding Flash is nice for backstabs on dad, I guess.

What's third option?

Ah, well dad traps still kinda suck, though.

I'd rather hold out for Chill or Hangover on Special still than take Divine Flourish, personally.

So either of the other two options.

At this point tbh can ignore poms and just go for HP and boons.

You should have lots of eHP for dad even if you lose Touch of Styx Dark before the fight.

[hoary pasture]

What is your second hammer

Gud

Take proud bearing or sure footing or something

[mossy zinc]

Bronze Skin wouldn't be too bad this point either tbh.

At this point tbh can ignore poms and just go for HP and boons.

Yeah, Frost Flourish is nice.

[hoary pasture]

Pray for killing freeze in styx

But your build is pretty much done at this point

[mossy zinc]

Inb4 no core, only Cast exchange, Nourished Soul, and Nourished Soul.

Flourish, naturally.

Boons that can't be purged lose quite a bit of value with UC on.

Bronze Skin.

That's plenty lol.

Rama be Ramaing.

[hoary pasture]

Rama Heroes with Perfect Triple

Just Meg then Tag and do like 3 powershots

[mossy zinc]

Getting the Power Shots off might be a little difficult if you're not practiced with Rama and have FO2.

Hyper Sprint will help a little though.

[hoary pasture]

Is Acorn equipped

[mossy zinc]

And Athena's Aid + Second Wind.

[hoary pasture]

Should be pretty straight forward

[mossy zinc]

Yeah.

More than straightforward, in fact.

Gayforward.

[hoary pasture]

1 second left would mean you’re running around for 2 minutes straight

I think so

[quartz mantle]

Me when 10% max health

[hoary pasture]

You don’t need it

You have pat

[quartz mantle]

My gamer in Christ it won’t make a difference probably

[polar robin]

going into styx 50 heat with 1:30 on the timer T_T

i don't think it'll last with em4

what's the prefferred keepsake for dad fight in em4?

[quartz mantle]

Yea that’s a rip

Either tooth or acorn

[hoary pasture]

Hestia EM4 unfortunately takes like 4 minutes if you’re playing well that is

[polar robin]

i'll turn off autoaim tbh

[hoary pasture]

Obv less if clockets and whatnot

Epic rd

5-6 ichors

Yknow

[quartz mantle]

Spearpoint is decent if you have a lot of health

[polar robin]

lv0 spearpoint unfortuanetly

but i do have 250 hp

[hoary pasture]

Do you have pat

[polar robin]

patroclus?

yeah i have styx

[quartz mantle]

With patty buff and a good amount of health spearpoint can be good but you also have to trust yourself to not get hit by spins or spear throws

[hoary pasture]

Wait what does your pact look like

Is it AP2 EM4

[polar robin]

it is

[hoary pasture]

Why

[quartz mantle]

Better than RI2 EM4

[hoary pasture]

Why no AP1 EM4

[polar robin]

honestly, i made a mistake not taking CP

and RI over EM prolly

[hoary pasture]

Do you have access to a hellmode file

[polar robin]

no hellmode

[quartz mantle]

Are you on pc?

[polar robin]

yea but like,, i wanna do it on vanilla first

[quartz mantle]

That’s fair

[hoary pasture]

Hell mode is vanilla it’ll just take you 3 weeks to grind a save

[quartz mantle]

But Hestia can work with AP2 RI2 better than EM4

[hoary pasture]

Yea

If you want to stick to EM4 tho don’t run AP2 or CP2

Ideally AP1 RI0 CP1

[quartz mantle]

It’s possible to get the modpack, toggle hell mode, then uninstall the mods

Yea with EM4 you want a good build

If possible

[polar robin]

ack i didn't reset my hp with SD

i have 70 hp into dad

[hoary pasture]

Nice

[quartz mantle]

You got this bestie

[hoary pasture]

How’s timer looking

[polar robin]

3:38 on the clock

so its doable

when do i meg?

[hoary pasture]

Oh that’s not bad

[quartz mantle]

Phase 1 part 3 usually

[polar robin]

the thing is, my build is wack

its all over the place

[quartz mantle]

Depending on the summons

[hoary pasture]

Yea that’s the ap2 experience

[polar robin]

ok, right after a darkness?

[quartz mantle]

When you think it’ll kill him

[hoary pasture]

Usually you use it when in a tight spot to rush through the phase

Because summons are pain

[quartz mantle]

If the summons are bad you can try to burst him down and get rid of the summons

[hoary pasture]

Both can be viable if you have enough time but I’d probably just take dio you don’t really need anything

[polar robin]

yeah oops i died

[quartz mantle]

It happens

[polar robin]

i got sneak

T_T

[hoary pasture]

Hestia EM4 is rough. I recommend you practice it specifically if you struggle a lot. And also adjust your pact

[polar robin]

also, didn't realize he double slashed. i think i will not em4

[hoary pasture]

You’ll have an easier time with a good build

[polar robin]

yeah, i'll take HS this time too xD

[quartz mantle]

Oh this was your first time doing em4

[polar robin]

yep

[quartz mantle]

Oh bestie…

[hoary pasture]

Probably not

[quartz mantle]

If you’re gonna do it at higher heat try it first

[polar robin]

i got hades below 1.1 but i actually miscounted my summons and i apparently did not have a meg

[hoary pasture]

Maybe strong drink

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/CYQthI3I7Bz8
new pact

[hoary pasture]

Id take poutlook tbh

[quartz mantle]

Woah

[hoary pasture]

Dmg reduction is good

Synergizes with sd

[quartz mantle]

I wouldn’t really do the JS3 CP2

[jaunty falcon]

I’d rather do JS2 CP1 AP2

[hoary pasture]

How we feelin about ap2

[quartz mantle]

AP2 is fine for Hestia

[polar robin]

i could do it and just grind runs until rng likes me

[quartz mantle]

You don’t have to

Just run shackle

[jaunty falcon]

You get an attack boon eventually and gg

[polar robin]

true actually

[hoary pasture]

I mean you just made it to dad with ap2

[polar robin]

i was gonna do shackle for the last one but i realized i really needed a defensive keepsake for em4 hades

[hoary pasture]

You just have to do that again

But easy dad this time

[quartz mantle]

You start shackle and by the time Styx comes around you’ll have found an attack boon

[hoary pasture]

Buy hermes

Roll for rd

[polar robin]

true, but RI gets rid of a lot of the stuff that helps for clear

[quartz mantle]

Yea but Hestia clears a lot

[polar robin]

fiery presence and fated are kinda sad to see go

[hoary pasture]

Yea just take the dashes

[haughty sky]

fiery stays until ri4

[polar robin]

https://prnt.sc/D8-0iH2dKuR9

this then?

[hoary pasture]

Just don’t get too greedy with shotguns

[quartz mantle]

Nah

JS2 CP1

JS3 is rough

[haughty sky]

hs necessary at 50

[quartz mantle]

I think

Actually

[haughty sky]

turn on hell mode

[quartz mantle]

Idk I don’t play Hestia

Hellmode isn’t an option

[haughty sky]

unfort

[hoary pasture]

HS JS2 should be ok

[quartz mantle]

Bro play the game idk

Do what feels right

[polar robin]

HS is cool until asphodel

or styx and i run into an ax lmao

[hoary pasture]

They adapt

[polar robin]

i'm not super precise w kbm movement

[quartz mantle]

HS is for faster SD healing

[polar robin]

TRUE

[haughty sky]

don’t get hit by traps 👍

it’s especially fine with hestia

honestly if you’re not set on hestia i would run a dc aspect

[polar robin]

is RI2 ok or should RI1 and put the pts elsewhere

[hoary pasture]

RI2 is good

[polar robin]

i onetrick hestia lol

[hoary pasture]

Usually you RI0 or RI2

[haughty sky]

based

ri0 is the best 50 pact but kinda undoable without dc