#h1-high-heat-strategies

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pseudo kernel
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ykc and another chinese runner beat it with zeus shield

chrome kite
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When was that

pseudo kernel
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ykc beat it sep 20 2021

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and the other guy beat it july 1 2022

chrome kite
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Oh dang

pseudo kernel
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and there are also 2 61 clears

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by ykc and phantom

chrome kite
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Ah

pseudo kernel
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here are all the 60 clears

chrome kite
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Wtf zagshield

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Shield really is just busted

pseudo kernel
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angle

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that run was pretty busted

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high level aphro attack with lvl 15 pp

chrome kite
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Wtf lmao

forest token
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big pp

pseudo kernel
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BIGPthegoat

forest token
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wr holder for less than a day

chrome kite
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How did she pom it that many times

pseudo kernel
forest token
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oh damn

pseudo kernel
forest token
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ce

pseudo kernel
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ong

chrome kite
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Lmao wtf

cursive portal
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hades

chrome kite
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Free

forest token
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hades moment

cursive portal
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3rd attempt overall btw

chrome kite
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64 heat is free if you just get the boons

forest token
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true

cursive portal
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It took me 35 minutes to get 60 heat unmodded zag shield

chrome kite
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Just get pommed epic jolted + rare crop for heroic jolted

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Then get epic greatest reflex

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And splitting bolt

cursive portal
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That time when I was actually good at the game zagsad

pseudo kernel
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start epic zeus special and epic jolted and demeter attack and epic killing freeze and epic rd and dio call and smoldering air and splitting bolt

cursive portal
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spittin

chrome kite
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Where is aphro in there

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You forgot the cast lmao

pseudo kernel
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aphro in your backpack

cursive portal
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5 god pool

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Zagshield is literally so good

chrome kite
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Based

pseudo kernel
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best shied

cursive portal
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I did 50 on my first attempt with it modded

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Thats when it all started

chrome kite
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Zagshield only doesn't look good because beo is busted in 15 ways

pseudo kernel
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and chaos

cursive portal
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Beo high heat 🤮

chrome kite
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Chaos trash

pseudo kernel
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why do people even think beo is good

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it has the lowest heat out of the shields

cursive portal
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beo is the lowest shield wr

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so true aeiou

chrome kite
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Because beo has 15 ways to scale up so when you're free to do that it's insane

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But if you start removing those choices you're screwed

cursive portal
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60 beo was one of the worst ones ive ever done

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Absolutely horrid

pseudo kernel
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from what i can tell its just the same thing as zagshield but with a slower attack

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and with no boiling blood

chrome kite
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Except it nukes

cursive portal
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You just need snow burst and poms

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And they're so godamm hard to get

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I sunk nearly 1k attempts into that sucker

pseudo kernel
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well out of all my 60 clears gilgamesh was the easiest

cursive portal
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Remember when damue did 62 zag shield

pseudo kernel
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yes

cursive portal
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Rama is actually good

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And not reliant on chaos/wells or acorn

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Twin on its own isnt enough

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Believe me I've tried

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You just have to get point blank of preferably perfect shot

chrome kite
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Bc a good 2nd hammer compounds really hard

cursive portal
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Which is a 2/6 chance

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But I only got it once

chrome kite
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Since you have twin

cursive portal
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I still have never gotten charged skewer on AP2 hades spear btw

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NEVER

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In 500 attempts

pseudo kernel
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skill issue

cursive portal
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Its only shown up like 3 times

chrome kite
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If you have twin then perfect shot gains 300% instead of 150

pseudo kernel
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7 min tart

cursive portal
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You need explosive

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Which is already really lame since its only 50 base damage

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Without cskewer your special does max 200-250 damage

pseudo kernel
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5 more than base guan yu

cursive portal
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With its 700-900

cursive portal
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honestly very poggers feeling to see you fellas still talking about my runs

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58

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But ive gotten to phase 3 twice on 60

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Like a year ago

pseudo kernel
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very poggies indeed girl slay 💅

cursive portal
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dc2 just makes everything 🗿

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I tried it again last aotw and my god I didn't even get out of tart

forest token
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it do be like that

cursive portal
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Im just wondering what possessed me to get to phase 3 60

pseudo kernel
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or was that something else

cursive portal
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1:59 on 50 heat

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was quite poggers

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But I had a +60% foes curse from 11 chaos

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So the run was 11:55 bouldy

pseudo kernel
quiet mountain
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F

coarse acorn
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I finally. FINALLY beat 32 heat

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i know its nothing in compariso to what you guys do, but still

left prism
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Still huge!

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Ggs

mossy zinc
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We did our first 32 at one point, too. Nothing to look down on.

coarse acorn
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next goal: learnig 32 so im not fully reliant on luck anymore

mossy zinc
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You mean you want to be consistent at 32 Heat?

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With your main weapon aspect?

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Any weapon? Any aspect?

coarse acorn
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i want to be comsistent with at least 20 on everything

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because i want to actually learn insteadf of getting luxcky

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id like to be consistent at 32, but thats a bit of an insane goal atm

quiet mountain
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what ur pact like

mossy zinc
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It's a decent pact with a decent build.

quiet mountain
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yes

mossy zinc
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Trippy Flare is not as consistent as other Beowulf builds, though, since it relies heavily on finding Grasp or Prometheus Stone to even function.

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Well, even if the build ends up not working out, it should be enough for 32 Heat.

quiet mountain
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beo is enough for 32

mossy zinc
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Indeed.

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If you want to become consistent with Beowulf at 32 Heat, I suggest you try go for 40 Heat now with it.

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I'd recommend swapping to Passion Flare or Flood Flare for more consistency, though.

quiet mountain
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flood is stupid good for beo since it opens tidal & 1/2 mirage

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opens tidal

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makes pos in ur pool xd

mossy zinc
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Tidal Dash can be annoying on Beowulf if you don't have Charged Shot, though.

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Since you knock enemies away if you Dash-Strike into them to charge.

quiet mountain
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i feel its usually worth ime

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but then spreader

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you dont remember

dapper schooner
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just angel things ig

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shes too OP

forest token
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True

coarse acorn
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That seems counter intuitive

mossy zinc
# coarse acorn That seems counter intuitive

Is it really so counter-intuitive? For rapid skill growth, the level of challenge needs to be right. 40 Heat will provide a better challenge and much earlier in the run. So you get better practice, and you get it earlier in the run. And the self-efficacy you gain from beating 40 Heat is much greater than from beating 32 Heat a second or third time or fourth time.

coarse acorn
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Ah I see

chrome kite
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Nah, that's weak sauce

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Go straight from first clear to 64 heat

nocturne stag
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No. Don't play

wet furnace
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That’s the true challenge

dry saffron
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I thought the true challenge was to play while stoned, with the windows open during a real heat wave. otherwise why is the channel called "high heat strategy"?

wet furnace
forest token
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oh god not drug enhanced speedrunning

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not again

fleet ingot
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let speedrunners use anything they want. lets see how fast that boy can go

jaunty falcon
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Pure rage is all I need

dry saffron
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I may need to oil my spacebar

finite cliff
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What aspects are viewed as safe for 32 Heat runs? I main Demeter but it feels like it's getting me killed more often than not on higher heat.

forest token
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all aspects are doable at 32 heat

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what's your pact?

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in general tho, fists and sword are gonna be the least safe

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mainly because they're melee

jaunty falcon
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Easiest first 32 is probably eris or hestia

forest token
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Spaghetti plate shield

mossy zinc
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Excalibur is also up there for easiest 32.

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Beowulf.

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Achilles with Crystal Clarity.

broken current
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I haven’t beaten 32 yet but have had the most success on higher heats with Rama

chrome kite
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Rama's like a top 2 or 3 heat weapon so yeah that tracks

hexed sapphire
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Below literally every shield

chrome kite
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????

chrome kite
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And isn't chaos only 50s

hexed sapphire
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Chaos wr is 61 bouldy

hexed sapphire
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The problem is ri3 which is 61 heat

chrome kite
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You don't get poms on cast + no cast stones

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Ri3 is hell

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Ok genuinely how did chaos not die to td3

hexed sapphire
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Aspect of cshot lol

chrome kite
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Like actually how did it have damage

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Aphro attack?

hexed sapphire
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Yeah

chrome kite
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Ah

hexed sapphire
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Zagshield doesn't add cshot damage

chrome kite
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Trashspect

quartz mantle
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I think weapons being viable for 60+ heat shouldn't be that much of an impact on their general heat viability

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like it's a pretty large consensus that Hestia is a great aspect for high heat yet it only can't really touch 60+ because of DC2

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also the majority of high heat players are never gonna go past 50 let alone 60 and beyond

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So saying Rama is below Chaos is a bit of a reach imo

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yea ok

chrome kite
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Simply rupture splash dash duh

jaunty falcon
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No

chrome kite
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Small enemies in a big space idk

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Like spread out witches

pseudo kernel
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needs cast poms

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and snowburst

quartz mantle
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Yea hold on lemme just dash twice into every enemy to get rid of DC first in every room in the whole run

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you're also likely to lose out of Fiery Bonus with that so your room clearing potential drops significantly

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Then you still have poor room clear

mossy zinc
quartz mantle
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I mean you're welcome to try it out, but someone who was doing DC2 Hestia Splash Dash start 56 (I think not quite sure) never got the clear

hexed sapphire
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They should've just started lightning

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Works like a charm

hexed sapphire
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rama is hard and has a weird damage cycle

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its very good if youre good at it but like

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cshot is cshot

quartz mantle
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charged shot isn't actually that good it's just consistently ok

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It's basically the same from 32 heat to 60 heat

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it doesn't actually benefit from getting a strong build any more than any other aspect

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It's base line is quite good but it doesn't get much higher

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Rama may only need an attack boon w/ a hammer or two to preform well but it can preform exceptionally well in the 32-50 range

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The added benefit of more consistently good hammers, better attack boons, better chaos boons, as well as the potential to get flat damage scaling w/ your special and even going into things like DR or Rod all make Rama an incredibly versatile aspect

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While Cshot shields get like

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more attack chaoses and more Epic Heartbreak Strikes

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w/ the option to go into Smoldering but like every aspect has that

hexed sapphire
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oh yeah you can actually get boons on 32 bouldy

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i forgor

quartz mantle
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Yea lmao

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CF0, RI0, AP0

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you just get anyheat builds

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Plus cshot is like

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only bearable at high heat modded

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if you're taking AP2 cshot resets residentzag

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Rama has like 4.5 good hammers you can start with

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out of 9 I think

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which is very good odds even w/ AP2 but w/o it you basically get a guaranteed good start

hexed sapphire
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whats the .5

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relentless?

quartz mantle
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Chain

hexed sapphire
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oh

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chain shot bouldy

quartz mantle
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It's like good w/ Twin

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for Ely

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And Twin is good enough on it's own to go through the dad fight

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You don't really need single target damage until Dad anyways

hexed sapphire
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no

quartz mantle
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what do you mean by that

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like twin makes the range shorter still I think

hexed sapphire
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the range that pb procs

quartz mantle
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Yea I feel like it's shorter w/ twin

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than w/o

mossy zinc
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DC2 is also virtually free with Rama, and it's not affected much by JS either.

hexed sapphire
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its fine

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the tag damage counts as a separate hit

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use a small charge bruv

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wait yea it does

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i just checked traitdata

mossy zinc
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You can just kill them with your Special. They're just Numbskulls. dusa

mossy zinc
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Guess you can't beat them then, nothing you can do.

wet furnace
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How does a numbskull take 10 hits to kill

forest token
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Special spam rama

wet furnace
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They have like

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1hp

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Do you have a source for that claim

prime lintel
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Also maybe it has that Benefits Package perk that shields all the enemies around them

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So it has like 6 shields

quartz mantle
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Simply click the special

stiff aurora
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Just spam special and don't get hit

dry saffron
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hidden rail is awesome, probably my second favorite hidden aspect after gil

proper sundial
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how to bump damage up for Chiron

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I thought rama is decent since its decent burst damage with mult shots

forest token
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rama is very good

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esp for high heat

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it's one of the best for high heat

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but regarding chiron

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the best build for unmodded would be aphro atk, dio special (start with this boon) and using privileged status

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otherwise, you can use aphro atk, artemis special (start with this boon) and looking for jerkies or chaos to boost your special damage

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your best hammer is gonna be concentrated volley

proper sundial
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I tried for that, but feel its damage is nowehre near the point blank triple shot rama

forest token
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well yeah

proper sundial
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💀

forest token
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chiron's not that great compared to the others

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it's the worst bow for a reason

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it's just a safe aspect

proper sundial
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that's why I was a bit confused about the previous post

forest token
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this one?

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this is a copy pasta

proper sundial
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oh

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wat

forest token
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giant paragraph loaded with sarcasm

proper sundial
forest token
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there's only 1 good copy pasta, every other one is just spam

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for hades anyways

proper sundial
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which one then

forest token
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A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

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regarding rama

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by MiKe i believe

proper sundial
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I failed to see lots of the sarcasm parts

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Aphro attack is sarcasm because weak don't stack

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Artemis is....quite logical pick?

forest token
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well the last one isn't sarcasm like i said

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it's like

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actually good

proper sundial
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ohhh sorry

chrome kite
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Twin is much more reliable and targeted

forest token
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"copy pasta" literally just means, copy paste a giant paragraph
most of them are loaded with sarcasm

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i'd say 99% of them are loaded with sarcasm tbh

proper sundial
forest token
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twin is better for reliability

chrome kite
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Artemis isn't that great compared to high % because the crits aren't reliable

proper sundial
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ohhh you mean twin shots

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I thought you mean I go use twin fist

forest token
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oh lmao

chrome kite
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Oh, no

forest token
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yeah fists are garbage compared to rama

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and other some weapons

proper sundial
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the only weapon so far I have not wanting to do a heated run

forest token
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fists aren't that bad at say like, 32

proper sundial
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not even 1

forest token
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eh 1 is fine

proper sundial
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I had a very bad time using it first time

forest token
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em1 easy

chrome kite
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No tier list is gonna be all encompassing but like

proper sundial
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and just don't ever want to redo that ever again

forest token
proper sundial
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Zeus

forest token
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ah

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welp

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prob a player issue at that point then lol

chrome kite
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Nah fists trash

proper sundial
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maybe, fist is just something off for me

chrome kite
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based non fists user

forest token
chrome kite
forest token
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nonsense

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just make a explupper build

chrome kite
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explupper dem moment

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kaboom

proper sundial
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what is explupper

forest token
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exploding upper hammer

chrome kite
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explosive upper

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uppercut kaboom

proper sundial
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I remember I was just "alright this sucks so I am gonna try to slap ME on it like very single weapon I don't want to use"

chrome kite
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Yeah no that's basically it

forest token
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literally every sword and fist build

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and nonbeo shield

proper sundial
chrome kite
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yeah p much

proper sundial
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except most other weapons can also do it

chrome kite
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heart rend nem is fun but

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Lower ceiling than ME

proper sundial
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without cosplaying Star Platinum for half a minute

forest token
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explupper dem if you dont get ME on dem is such a nice fallback plan

proper sundial
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true

forest token
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like literally

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yeah not high heat but like

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it's a good back up plan

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yeah hyper delivery carry but point still stands tbh

proper sundial
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How many Hestia Rail players play DMC I wonder

forest token
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still provides good damage, even with lvl 1 common athena flourish

forest token
proper sundial
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Devil May Cry

forest token
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oh lmao

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no clue

proper sundial
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I can literally see a combo meter next to me as I am doing animation cancels when using it for first time

chrome kite
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Everything's got animation cancels

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You can dash out of shield charges

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Reload rail during special to not have an animation

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etc

proper sundial
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yeah but hestia it feel more of a ....necessity?

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(btw what can be cancelled for beowulf? why I feel so slow when using it)

amber jetty
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Dash strike into the charge helps a lot if you're not doing that

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Charged shot also charges faster

chrome kite
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You can also dash out of a charge like I said

ebon fog
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highest ive used is 7 xd

wet furnace
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Highest I’ve used is 40 😦

spark flare
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i've worked my way up to 6 now, hopefully i'll be going past there pretty soon

proper sundial
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I just got megg'd

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in term of megg'd it stand for her portrait permanently occupying half the screen after using her summon

spark flare
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i need to see this

proper sundial
wet furnace
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Upload it elsewhere and paste the link

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You can even just DM it to a friend or post it on your own personal discord, then copy the media link

pseudo kernel
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is that lvl 5 hades call

left prism
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that does seem like lvl 5 hades call

spark flare
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i love it

proper sundial
wet furnace
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Meg be like “im helping”

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How do you even level up hades call

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Just modded gaming things

proper sundial
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I was using codex to practice EM4 hades, so it buggs a bit

left prism
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did it do anything or just visual?

proper sundial
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just visual I think

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hey look what I found

left prism
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always funny when it happens

proper sundial
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old men frogot his spear

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Ain't giving it back

spark flare
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he'll just have to get it again next time

proper sundial
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I am grabbing it dusa

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Have fun fighting me using Twin Fists: Aspect of Hades you miserable old man

forest token
proper sundial
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Mine does not shot 360 laser beams

amber jetty
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Skill issue

devout quiver
hexed sapphire
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what do you guys think of my high heat strategy

forest token
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bad because you died

proper sundial
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I just realized that nothing is unfair against the hades

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He summon, he heal, he use traps, he spam invincible moves and ranged attacks, he do screen blocking

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Only if there is some cheese to stuck his ai into a loop...

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I am not directly summoning them to smite the miserable old man

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And he is a literal God

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then where is my power

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Old Man can die too

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Old man throws flaming skull

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Zagreus is the god of skill issue?

jaunty falcon
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Choose either HL5 or FO2, don’t go all into both

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HL4 FO2 heroes will be hard

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Also how the flip do you have personal liability but no jury summons

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You could have cleared higher then

quartz mantle
proper sundial
quartz mantle
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Also Calisthenics Program will be a huge time sink it makes boss fights take way longer

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yea Stubborn Defiance makes bosses harder

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but it makes individual rooms a lot easier

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it's the tradeoff potential

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if you run less LC and use DDs you make bosses easier by having a potential bank of extra lives but you make individual rooms more stressful by not having to take a lot of damage

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SD's do have the potential to give you extra lives through Athena's Last Stand and Deathless Stand boons (If you die before picking up the boon it'll fill in your SD slot and then your SD will regenerate on top of that, giving you 2 lives)

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Also huge thing to note is that Convenience Fee is a scam for 1 heat it takes away way too much potential boons/poms/health

forest token
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still confused how they can have pl on but not js1

quartz mantle
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Oh they did do funky things with their pact

forest token
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Also I don't remember seeing "reset options" in game

mossy zinc
forest token
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Yes

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Please explain further

distant pelican
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for fists 32 heat on demeter using merciful end should i use pride or legacy

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my current plan is using pride and trying not to open up any other duos

wet furnace
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Pride

jaunty falcon
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I’d use legacy

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Reset for rare or epic doom in c1, you don’t need good Hermes for 32 heat

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And actually getting the duo way more often is just better

mossy zinc
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You also don't need good rarity on Doom for 32 Heat.

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Nor Merciful End.

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Legacy will get you Merciful End more consistently, but at the cost of dropping the average quality of your other boons.

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Ultimately, either option is perfectly fine. Just a matter of what you'd rather deal with.

distant pelican
rancid spade
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whats the highest 0 mod 0 rng manip heat run?

jaunty falcon
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62

rancid spade
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thanks

chrome kite
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Was 63 modded?

forest token
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yes

honest kernel
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does anyone have a guide about what conditions to pick and what not to pick for low to medium heat?

shy plinth
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This is my recommended guide and mirror progression

honest kernel
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thanks

wise garnet
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Hi guys. How can farming gems or blood titan?

wise garnet
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When i play. The first boss not give me blood titan. Only gain

forest token
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use a different weapon
you only get titan blood the first time you beat the furies with a certain weapon

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once you clear your first run, you'll get more opportunities to get more TB

mossy zinc
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Please don't make fun of other people's language. That's kinda rude and unnecessary.

forest token
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Still no point in making fun of them

next marsh
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zeus + zeus

mossy zinc
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Reasonable enough if you can clear fast. HL5 FO2 is a lot more popular than HL5 FO1 at 40.

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Could do CF0 JS2 if you used FO2, for example.

next marsh
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i'll give that a shot

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thanks!

quartz mantle
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Take it off take it off

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JS3 is a much bigger time sink than it might appear at first I would consider putting that heat into other pacts like FO or HS

haughty sky
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i would go fo2 and hs and remove js

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yea

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or even ap1 and js1 if you really really don’t want fo2

quartz mantle
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AP1 kinda free

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Zeus is very strong with more or less minimal boons

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A good special and Jolted is like all the damage you need for a clear

forest token
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just dont get jolted crossed out tbh

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but yeah cf1 hurts a ton as is, cf2 is just hell

next marsh
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But reading your name, it feels like a special hell designed for you

quartz mantle
jaunty falcon
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HADES 2 HIGH HEAT STRATEGIES

daring hedge
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INTRODUCING HIGH HEAT.... TWO

lilac widget
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lmao

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fo 4

pseudo kernel
lilac widget
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what do u think

bronze viper
#

It's time

lilac widget
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all i wanna do is ring cerberus

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ride*

bronze viper
wet furnace
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Time to hide in this channel until the hype dies down

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Since people can’t read and will probably be flooding #h1-discussion for a while

lilac widget
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i went in their for like 30 seconds

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its scary

pseudo kernel
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i love all 5 high heat strategies

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time to make new ones for hades 2

wet furnace
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If Heat doesn’t go to 128 in Hades x2 I’m gonna boycott

daring hedge
#

the return of an early access period means the return of 153 heat clearly

lilac widget
#

lmao

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forced over time 5 bayby

wet furnace
#

Zyru streaming FO100 was fun to watch

devout quiver
#

so that's what the rest of the pantheon has been doing

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i c

bright mango
#

Hades 2 friendly

mossy zinc
daring hedge
#

the cycle of barrel rolling begins anew

mossy zinc
left prism
#

Time to have a wr for 1 micro second

honest kernel
#

I heard the news

bronze viper
#

Old frens

honest kernel
#

This time I'll actually join in at the start

bronze viper
#

Me too!

ripe crane
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Same >:D

honest kernel
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Oh yeah, side note : I resumed the 64 heat attempts somewhat

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Will hopefully get it done before Hades 2 is out

bronze viper
#

Lol I will not be returning to Hades 1, I don't want to burn out before I even start LOL. I will see ya'll at EA though.

forest token
#

Oh boy lmao gl with that baj

clever otter
#

gl baj! shadesmile

wet furnace
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64 heat will be 128 heat in hades2 due to inflation for more information search for hades 2 inflation

forest token
#

Oh no

wet furnace
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Actually that doesn’t even give questionable results

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The internet has changed in the month since I first searched that

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SGG did some SEO

forest token
ripe crane
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Okay so uhhhh is Hades 2 out yet

jade shuttle
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early access should be next year

wet furnace
gaunt fiber
honest kernel
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expect me to play the hell out of hades 2

gaunt fiber
#

Can't wait to play Hades 2 at half hp

honest kernel
#

will max heat be balanced (prob not)

gaunt fiber
#

Every iteration of "heat" is better than the previous one

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So I'm pretty sure it will be really good

ripe crane
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Biggest problem with Hades 2 is that I won't have the crutch of Hestia to lean on pepew

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Unless there is gun magic. Can't wait to cast bullet

gaunt fiber
#

There will be Hestia 2 I'm sure

ripe crane
#

YoooOOOO Hestwoia

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Ty for confirming. Pretty cool that you're on the dev team now

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Also I'm suing you if there's no Hestia 2

gaunt fiber
gaunt fiber
mossy zinc
honest kernel
#

dusa 👍

rigid moon
#

I think its time to try high heat

mossy zinc
#

Do or do not. dusa

lost junco
#

hey does anyone know of a (relatively) easy way to get 32 heat?

shy plinth
#

It's not easy by definition

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I'd start here

ripe crane
#

So what do the mods do that people use in the modded spreadsheet?

honest kernel
#

A good portion use the Speedrunning modpack, which includes but is not limited to sack RNG control, first boon offers 4 choices, first hammer is set, controlled minibosses, fountains are visible ...

wet furnace
#

Anti rng

lime elk
#

hypermodpack coming soon which removes even more rng :)

forest token
#

absolutely based

hexed sapphire
#

64 heat done within days

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rama 62 done within days

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all the milestones would be made trivial

lime elk
#

ye it's a speedrun modpack

hexed sapphire
#

high heat strategies

lime elk
#

i did not notice that bouldy

lime elk
#

still an insane accomplsihment and showcase of skill, just with a second hammer and more free rooms

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and hermes too ig
it's a lot that's given to you but it doesn't trivialize anything

quartz mantle
hexed sapphire
#

i mean depending on the level of hypermodded it just becomes a boss rush bouldy

quartz mantle
#

Yea it becomes “can you do the video game thing of fighting bosses with near perfect gameplay and precision”

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Like consider this:

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The route for the 64 routed run is public knowledge

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Yet Baj is still the only person to have completed it

hexed sapphire
#

what it is

#

where

quartz mantle
#

Even with the perfect build and all the rng in your favor it’s still incredibly difficult

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You can like watch the video

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Of the route

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And write the stuff

hexed sapphire
#

that doesnt get u the seed

quartz mantle
#

I think the save file is somewhere

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Idk

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My point is that it’s hard

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And if all you need is the right boons to be confident to beat it

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Then you are the top 5 players of this video game

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And you should admit that

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Rather than running a facade that “oh I’m bad and this game isn’t actually that hard it’s just rng” because not only is that demeaning to your own accomplishments but it’s demeaning to other people’s accomplishments as well and there’s so much more that goes into everything

forest token
#

amb is probably easily top 5 heat runners in the game lol

forest token
#

"if you get the boons then it's easy" is true to an extent but the boons only take you so far

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i've thrown runs when i had the boons, and im' sure many have as well

quartz mantle
#

Also I just wanna specify that I’m not bashing y’all who don’t want to admit that you’re good I understand if it seems that way, I know that it can be hard to admit that you’re talented at something for one reason or another but it’s also important to know your own accomplishments and to be able to appreciate them and to be happy about them

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Hades as a game is pretty ruthless with its skill ceiling as in you will never reach it, it is purposefully designed to have the game be as little of a limiting factor as possible, to the point where the maximum difficulty has only been cleared by one person. Always trying to one up yourself is potentially incredibly consuming and self-demeaning as you keep setting goals that you either barely attain or don’t. And pushing yourself isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it’s also important to set healthy boundaries not only for your physical and mental health with respect to stress and time but also your mental health with respect to acknowledging your own accomplishments as valid

wet furnace
#

Wholesome hour

honest kernel
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And for what it's worth, Angel got way too close to completing it with just the modpack

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Should have been her win I swear pieMad

shy plinth
#

I've seen this in so many games too - the players at the highest level got there by practicing a ton, internalizing high level skills to a subconscious level, and ruthlessly identifying their own mistakes. But when you start to look at the gameplay binary as either "perfect" or "imperfect", there are no good players, only people who make the least mistakes. It is distorted but understandable given the perspective needed to be a high level player

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The way I zoom out and think about it is: How many individual inputs do you think you make during a single hades run? Directional inputs, button presses, etc. I would guess it is a 6-7 3-4 digit number. How many of those are mistakes? I would guess at the highest level, these players are making single to double digit mistakes max, with orders of magnitude of correct inputs - we're talking 99.99% correct or more.

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Hard to describe oneself as bad when .01% of their inputs might cause minor issues

hoary pasture
#

I would be surprised if a single Hades run takes a 6-digit number of inputs

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Ik it’s not the point of the message but it got me curious bouldy

shy plinth
#

Think about every movement input you do

forest token
#

we should get a counter lmao

shy plinth
#

I know analog might not have discrete inputs but like... it's a lot of data and decision making

forest token
#

there's also people who spam click on fists so that would probably skyrocket lmao

shy plinth
#

Yeah

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I can check myself with some basic math that probably justifies 6 digits being too high

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A ten minute IGT run means 600 seconds

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So 10 inputs per second would be 6000

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Dunno if we have that many per second lol

forest token
#

hestia players can probably do that

shy plinth
#

I mean I'm not saying it's impossible, just that for ballpark purposes

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But yeah I'd be curious to see if someone coded an input counter what it would look like, tbh it's probably not too far off from the rng seed display

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Since every input changes it if I recall

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Not sure if that counts directional data tho

forest token
#

doubt it since that doesn't change rng

wet furnace
simple acorn
#

how r yall so good at hades?

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and how do people kill bosses in like 10 seconds?

wet furnace
#

Practice

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And luck

hoary pasture
#

For top times you’ll also need good knowledge when it comes to builds and boss behavior

wet furnace
#

Your name has to end in croven

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Also

dawn cedar
#

in honor of hades ii, im going to try and get to 32 heat

#

oh no

shut cliff
#

32 was annoying to do

serene ocean
#

can anyone help me ive been struggling with 32 heat for some time now can i get any tips

shy plinth
#

What's your pact and mirror

neat sonnet
#

pinned messages have several resources too

serene ocean
forest token
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send image link

serene ocean
#

wdym?

shy plinth
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Post it to imgur or something

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You can post an image link here, just not a direct upload

forest token
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or send the image in a separate server, and hit "copy image link"

serene ocean
#

wait ill just do it like this
sp
cv
dd
gf
bb
ss
dp
ts
ps (could prock it easily)
df
gl
fp

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thats the mirror

shy plinth
#

We have some changes to make here already

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What about the pact

serene ocean
#

hl1
cf2
em4
bp2
mm
uc
fo2
dc1
td2

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brb gotta eat

shy plinth
#

EM4???

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Okay yeah we can make this a little easier

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Your pact is missing TD3 and LC4/SD

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And priv status is a trap - you end up forced into specific builds and you're severely underpowered while waiting for them to come online, plus you have less flexibility in execution

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FF is 5% per god and it starts adding up as soon as you take your first boon, plus you don't have to do anything

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God's legacy vs pride is close if you're hunting for a specific boon, I'm not sure what build you're chasing - but the purple base boons from pride will do a lot more damage up front and help get your run off the ground more cleanly

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Your victory screens from 8 months ago were in td3 ranges and I'm guessing you've only gotten faster

forest token
#

or slower if you stopped playing in those 8 months lmao

mossy zinc
serene ocean
shy plinth
#

Because you have dc1, legacy, and priv status 🙂

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You're costing yourself a ton of time early with stuff that isn't online and losing your first hit

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Fam fave gives you 5% as soon as you pick up a boon

serene ocean
#

yeah changed them and now i think imma go nemesis and get just try to make a comfertbale and easily repeatable build

shy plinth
#

This pact and mirror can clear with anything so just pick whatever you're comfortable with

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But don't overfocus on a specific build, the skill set you want to build is one of flexibility

mossy zinc
#

Nemesis is not a comfy first 32 Heat.

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It's like far on the other side of comfy. tizomg

serene ocean
#

then what would be?

shy plinth
#

Eris is the go to rec

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Demeter works, Zeus is good if you have familiarity with it

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Hestia too

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Achilles dece

forest token
#

beowulf and use infernal soul?

serene ocean
forest token
#

no

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flood flare and passion flare are both good

mossy zinc
forest token
#

mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% more damage on beowulf, so flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage is good damage

mossy zinc
#

Excalibur most comfy for sword.

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Demeter works
Malphon is not comfy 32. tizomg

shy plinth
#

I like punching

forest token
#

and passion flare is just high raw damage, and since the damage can last through tart and probably asphodel, you can use pstatus on it if you want (ideally snow burst)

shy plinth
#

Let's back up a bit, what weapon do you find yourself playing the most

serene ocean
#

sword or bow at the moment

mossy zinc
#

Which bow do you play?

shy plinth
#

Arthur, Hera, or Rama would be reasonable choices

serene ocean
#

my main bow is chiron :)

mossy zinc
#

Chiron is great for easy 32 Heat.

shy plinth
#

It's a little slow

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But that can be worked on

serene ocean
mossy zinc
#

Heartbreak Strike start, then look for Drunken Flourish or Deadly Flourish. Whichever comes first.

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Plus their Duo Boon with Lady Aphrodite.

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And go for Divine Dash in Asphodel.

serene ocean
#

so dyo okay thats how i did my 16 heat lol

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and as cast artemis hopefully for dyo + artemis duo

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didnt get any duos on my 16 heat run tho

shy plinth
#

You don't need em to win 🙂

#

They're nice to have, but fundamentals help a lot and purple base boons help too

forest token
#

practicing certain pacts separately and combining some together also helps learning pacts

#

lc4 SD can be a bit difficult to get the hang of at first

shy plinth
#

It's an adjustment for sure

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You'll need to tighten up boss fights mostly

#

Also make sure you're aware of the mechanics of how SD works - in particular, you'll want to take advantage of forcing resets and using athena DDs

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Since SD resets every room, you can use it as "healing" - particularly in asphodel where if you're at low health and haven't popped SD you just stand in the lava until it pops

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(Note - once this becomes habit, you will end a run by "resetting your SD" when you have already popped it. It happens to all of us once.)

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In addition, if you use you SD and then collect an Athena boon and get a DD, you keep the DD and get your SD back on top of it

pastel canopy
#

question, what do the erebus gates actually do?

shy plinth
#

So athena will let you bank DDs and is quite powerful

forest token
#

and sd always gets used first

shy plinth
#

Ye

shy plinth
forest token
#

and chaos DD also works with SD if you're lucky enough

#

didn't stop me from throwing a run when i had 2 of them tho

serene ocean
#

welp imma switch back to the 7 minute timer bc 5 is too short for me

shy plinth
#

You gotta practice more than one run

#

You don't have to do td3, but I feel pretty confident that it's easier than a lot of the other options

#

Have you watched any high heat clears? Like on the leaderboard?

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Might help to see what people do that you aren't currently doing

serene ocean
#

Ill check some of them out thx

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And thx yall for all the tips

shy plinth
#

Good luck!

shy plinth
#

It takes practice

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But 32 does in general

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Yeah this is for 32

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Mirror and pact are here

jaunty falcon
#

wait tree have you beat 32

shy plinth
#

Is this unironic

jaunty falcon
#

probably

shy plinth
#

I mean the heat gotta come from somewhere

#

Feels like it's been the meta recommendation for multiple years unless I have missed a recent development

jaunty falcon
#

There hasn’t been a meta development

#

But in fairness, there aren’t many new players that are actively developing the meta

shy plinth
#

Sure

#

I mean the game has been out for a while

#

We'll get developments in hades 2 DusaSticker

jaunty falcon
#

Hell yeah

mossy zinc
jaunty falcon
#

yeah

shy plinth
#

32 has a ton of flexibility

#

There's enough space to play the way you wanna with good execution

mossy zinc
#

I don't believe we've found the best, easiest 32 pacts for new players yet. We just found something fairly reliable.

shy plinth
#

Your pact has a high success rate

wet furnace
#

True

#

Nyaanyaa for president

mossy zinc
#

By now the theorists moved on to other things. Other games, higher heat, faster 32, etc.

mossy zinc
haughty sky
#

with bp and fo on you have to have a pretty strong case to not use lc4

shy plinth
#

That is painting with a very broad brush

#

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
courte5EternalRose > Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

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This is consistently the most successful 32 recommended in here

#

Some of it depends on the player but a lot of it depends on the guidance and practice

#

I'm not a great player but I was able to 24x32 with a slightly different pact - HL1 CF0 FO2 and all the other conditions above - and it really was just a question of watching a couple vods to understand what to do and then going and doing it

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You don't need td3 but saying that td3 and lc4/sd are bad calls at 32 is misaligned with what people have done well with when they come here for advice in the past

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It's obv not the only way to do it, but it is probably the most frequent way we've seen it done from people who struggled otherwise

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For what it's worth, one of the biggest mistakes we see when people come here involves them saying "I can't do td3" and then they have cf2 dc2 js2 cp1 pacts and tartarus takes them 7 minutes

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People love the pacts that don't feel as dangerous, but they slow people down and give them more chances to mess up or get hit or whatever while limiting the much less punishing heat that TD is capable of providing

forest token
#

i mean that pact avoids fo2, and not a lot of players have experience with that

#

so it's gonna be more consistent at the start

shy plinth
#

Between HL5 FO2 and TD3 you usually have to take two

#

You can take any two you want, though HL5 FO2 not recommended

#

I'm not a CF fan myself and I'm bad at not getting hit, which is why I go FO2 HL1 CF0

#

But it took me like a week to learn FO2 and I died a LOT

forest token
#

yeah fo2 is not fun at the start

#

fo1 is more manageable if you want to sneak that in there tho tbh

#

could knock out cf2 and go down to hl4 if you want but fo can be scary

shy plinth
#

I learned FO1 first because I tried to go straight to FO2 and that was... not working

#

So I learned FO1 and then learned FO2

forest token
#

i dont remember if i trial by fire-d it lmao

shy plinth
#

It's a huge difference

#

Like all of a sudden even Lernie becomes a real challenge

#

And Asterius is the destroyer of first time 32s if you run FO

mossy zinc
forest token
#

or harder because you dodge too early

mossy zinc
#

No.

#

You can dash too early and still get way out of range.

forest token
#

like yeah i can dash out of range of a dad spin, but if i want to iframe it chances are i'm gonna be early

#

"just don't iframe it" well i'm used to iframeing things at the right timings lmao

mossy zinc
#

Most things that you i-frame on reaction, you will never be too fast for even with FO0 and full Chill stacks.

shy plinth
#

I mean I wouldn't use HS at 6 heat either

#

If you're saying "learn FO early if you want your higher heat runs to come easier", then sure, that's good advice for people looking to get into speedrunning or make big heat pushes

#

But if someone comes in here and says "I want a statue and I've been doing 32 pulls" that's a diff ballgame

#

This is the heat prog I would've recommended to you

#

No HS, no FO 🙂

forest token
shy plinth
#

I would say that was an error

#

Oh yeah

#

Shame is first time 32 pacts lol

shy plinth
#

Makes sense

forest token
#

my first 32 was a disaster lmao

shy plinth
#

Mine was truly terrible

forest token
#

nice ME

shy plinth
#

AP1

#

It was awful

#

It was actually a great merciful end run though

#

It was only missing one thing...

#

...merciful end

#

I got proc-blocked THREE TIMES on the duo

forest token
#

lmfao

#

i had pstatus and oly favor with passion flare beo

#

and no secondary curse

shy plinth
#

That's some solid PS uptime

forest token
#

yeah it really is

#

kept it at a constant rate

shy plinth
#

Like I said, shame is first time 32s lol

#

I learned not to AP

#

With practice and a much better pact I did many more much better 32s

#

But that first one was way tougher than it needed to be

forest token
#

after my second 32 i got into speedrunning, got a sub8 or 7 or something, then got into heat
my 3rd 32 was hella clean and only popped sd like twice lmao

#

and then 40 took 2 attempts, and 50 took 8

#

but the first 32 is always the worst lmao

mossy zinc
#

Y'all kids had it easy when you did your first 32 Heat. tizomg

prime peak
#

my first one ended up being really good for some reason; no death defiances used. Took me like a good 4 runs (1 meme run where I killed myself in tartarus and 3 where I ended up dying on final boss) to get it though

shy plinth
jaunty falcon
#

I dont have my first 32 screen shot

#

I think it was Rama tho

#

It was “so long” ago

shy gulch
#

lemme try to find mine

#

nvm cant

shy plinth
#

I would settle for a screenshot of your first keyboard bindings

#

Was your first 32 full keyboard

shy gulch
#

oh for sure

#

i got up to 50 on hesty and 40 all weps with kb

#

lemme grab it

shy plinth
#

So crazy

shy plinth
#

I would have been tilted well before that lol

forest token
#

oh that looks horrid

shy gulch
#

lmao this is just how i played the game back then

mossy zinc
# shy plinth Ooh is it time for grandnyaanyaa's early access stories

Now listen closely, young one. When this beautiful young lady was even younger and no less beautiful, and Hades had not been officially released yet... we climbed three mountains every day just to get to our PCs so we could play Hades, and then we had to crack a 128,000-bit modulating encryption key just to get to the title screen. When we finally got to the Courtyard, we had to walk past blazing suns to start our 32 Heat runs, and then it got worse. tizomg Bruisers gave 2× armor, Saviors were uncapped, Poppers spawned more souls, BP combos like Speeder + Seeker and Speeder + Puller weren't banned yet, Forced Overtime didn't have limits for certain enemies yet so a lot of attacks were literally unreactable, we had no Dark Foresight, a lot of god pairs didn't have Duo Boons yet, spear was still terrible, bow was god awful, EM Theseus's bombs did a lot more damage and were very unpredictable and the red areas practically useless for determining where they'd land, EM Asterius's turn speed was much better, Hades's spin was undodgeable, Hades's beams would routinely clip through the rocks, when you asked for help you were lucky to find even a couple people who'd even tried that aspect on 32+ yet... or 32+ at all. Kids these days have it sooo easy. tizomg

#

We also had no Rush Delivery. shadeohboy

shy plinth
prime peak
#

No rush delivery

haughty sky
#

my first 32 was hl4 lc4 fo2 iirc

mossy zinc
#

69th clear, too.

#

Lady Aphrodite approved. dusa

shy plinth
#

Nice

jaunty falcon
#

Croven binds

shy gulch
#

jus ur avg keybinds

lime elk
#

i mean they are average keybinds, just not for a mkb game

#

it's literally just fightstick binds for a leftie

shy gulch
#

im a righty

lime elk
#

ok that's pretty cursed

shy gulch
#

lmao

night sonnet
#

How do you even play like that

#

No mouse

shy gulch
#

well i dont anymore but

#

for context i came into this game right after playing hollow knight and these were approximately my binds for HK so i just repurposed them

hoary pasture
#

real gamer

mossy zinc
#

Do not question the way of the Croven.

dapper schooner
dry pivot
#

kb only moment

forest token
#

basically controller but without the better movement

devout quiver
ashen garnet
#

Forgot to check the channel for such a long time. Glad to see good old faces around dusa

shy plinth
#

There are narrow spots where it's justifiable, but I would say it is way more commonly taken by newer players than it should be when they transition to heat pushing

#

It is really nice for learning the game and it helps players figure out the importance and skill set behind guiding builds

#

But ff is way more reliable unless you have a really clear purpose in mind for ps that can be obtained without significant cost

mossy zinc
#

Difference is usually somewhat exaggerated tbh. And Privileged Status helps a variety of builds that would be pretty poor with Family Favorite.

#

Just as a random example, something janky like Frost Strike + Drunken Dash gets a lot better with Privileged Status.

timber pike
#

out of tartarus with a pool of zeus/artemis/demeter/poseidon should I take athena's keepsake for the stubborn defiances/dash or aphro. (they forced me to take the last two gods so now I have to choose between them)

#

im using the demeter fists

haughty sky
#

5 god pool isn’t great

jaunty falcon
#

What heat, and what’s your highest completed heat

haughty sky
#

like you can force athena but you might only see one athena boon after that

timber pike
#

32 heat, and my highest completed heat is 32.

jaunty falcon
#

I’d take the Athena

haughty sky
#

i’d take tooth

timber pike
#

I've never seen 4 gods so quickly before. ill go with athena then

#

whyd demeter have to show up bouldy

haughty sky
#

chill is good defense

#

i uh. um. Uh

#

call

timber pike
#

poseidon is fine. I guess I was hoping to use a similar build I did before with zeus and aphro

haughty sky
#

cast is good enough, especially w arty

timber pike
#

dont know where this is gonna go now but it should be interesting

timber pike
#

:/

mossy zinc
#

If at first you don't succeed, try try again.

timber pike
#

got smair and everything in tartarus then died to alecto when she was almost dead bouldy

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I'm kinda sloppy with the fists though but ill keep going

timber pike
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alright seems im not that bad..got to heroes this time before losing

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I wonder, how do i make that fight go faster anyway? I timed out before losing this time

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even with 3:22 on the clock

gaunt fiber
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  • Meg at the beginning > one step upward, use the summon
  • Focus Theseus on high dps build, Asterius otherwise
  • Try to hit both at the same time when you can
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If poseidon is in your god pool, definitely apply shoals to theseus, will shred him

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After that it's practice

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(and also learning what's good for your aspect ofc)

timber pike
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yup, I always use meg at the beginning. though I didnt know about shoals. i'll have to remember that one

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havent played in a while and I tend to lose at this fight so I expected this to be a problem

wet furnace
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When it’s just Theseus, don’t get close to him

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Stay far enough away that he tries the spear throw

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Cuz it’s a lot safer opening when he turns away and walks after spear

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Compared to staying close and trying to dodge his relatively quick spin attac

timber pike
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im still the worst at not getting hit even after 31 wins bouldy

timber pike
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alright so what keepsake should I take into asphodel i have a 4 god pool already with zeus, athena, dionysus, and artemis

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wait would the tooth be any good in this case? would it give an extra stubborn defiance?

forest token
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what weapon is this?

timber pike
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demeter fists

forest token
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i'd take tooth

timber pike
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alright

forest token
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it functions as a DD btw

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gets used after your SD

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and when tooth pops, you get 100 hp to work with

timber pike
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good just wanted to make sure it's been a long time since i played. ill continue the run tomorrow morning

shy plinth
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I would've probs coin pursed

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But tooth is fine

haughty sky
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distant memory 📈

timber pike
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can u sell premium vintage or not

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im just trying to get a boon for underworld customs

mossy zinc
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No.

timber pike
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k

quartz mantle
timber pike
quartz mantle
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Yea just also a future note

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Nourished Soul is notoriously hated among high heaters for it being useless w/ LC4 and not even being a sellable boon

mossy zinc
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I tried to convince them in #hades-feedback so many times in early access.

timber pike
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oh boy here comes shiny asterius to ruin my run i hate fighting him as a miniboss bouldy

mossy zinc
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You're trying to do 32 on Malphon, wasn't it?

timber pike
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yep

mossy zinc
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I don't recommend EM3 for Malphon 32.

timber pike
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oh

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so what should i replace it with?

mossy zinc
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Normal mode, right?

timber pike
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yup

mossy zinc
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HL2 LC4 CF1 JS1 EM2 BP2 MM UC FO2 TD3

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Try that.

timber pike
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alright, hopefully im not too slow with the extra enemies in jury summons

mossy zinc
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Should be fine. Could also try DC1 instead if you're doing Lightning Strike.

timber pike
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rush kick, kinetic launcher, or long knuckle?

forest token
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prob long knuckle

timber pike
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yeah dc1 is working better

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should I buy the poseidon boon in this shop

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probably doesnt matter too much

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ill just skip it and save money

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heavy knuckle, concentrated knuckle, or rush kick?

jaunty falcon
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Concentrated

honest kernel
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So when do I enter this chat, anyway? What's considered high heat? 20? 32? 45?

mossy zinc
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32+ usually.

quartz mantle
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You can ask for advice once you get near to 32 heat but typically starting out you should just try out all the different modifiers and get a vibe for what makes your runs harder and what doesn’t as much and make a pact off of that

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Yea and you learn from your mistakes

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it's called playing the game

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that's why you test things out

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So you know what can kill your run in an instant

shy plinth
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We're happy to provide guidance but yeah you can get an idea for what matters by playing

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The prophecy to use every heat condition is helpful to clear

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20 bloods too

forest token
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A good chunk of the high heat strats start at about 25ish

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Like lc4 SD, fo2, etc

timber pike
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killed both theseus and asterius at the same time

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at least..close to it I guess 🤷

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almost won that time bouldy

clever otter
forest token
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ayo based

shy plinth
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Thank you!

mossy zinc
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For how much Heat does playing with Covid count? tizomg

spark flare
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how bad is the covid

mossy zinc
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It's a day 1 Covid, but it's a lot worse than a day 1 cold or flu. So far. tizomg

spark flare
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yeah that's not fun... hopefully it doesn't get too bad

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idk, when i'm playing stuff while I'm sick, i either start playing absurdly well for no apparent reason, or become incapable of playing the game

violet sky
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this is a very specific request, but does anyone know of any max heat runs with commentary? like on YouTube

mossy zinc
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You can find high heat runs linked in the pinned high heat leaderboard.

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Some of them have commentary.

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haelian has lots of high heat runs with commentary on his YouTube channel.

violet sky
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im specifically looking for 62 heat bc I like watching people suffer (/hj)

mossy zinc
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I mean there's not a lot of 60+, and they're all on the leaderboards.

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At the top, too, so easy to find. tizomg

spark flare
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Seems like TD would cause a lot of stress in that

violet sky
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my dream youtube video is 62 heat unseeded speedrun with after-the-fact commentary with 2-3 people but that is overly specific

mossy zinc
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Most of your attempts will be unsuccessful and often lots of resets, so it's kinda well suited for interacting with chat lol.

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Also you have plenty of time when choosing boons etc.

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If you're not doing RTA.

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But even RTA runners find their moments to read chat.

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You'll often see players just going through the motions in Tartarus until they see they have a run that's actually going somewhere. tizomg

hoary pasture
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High heat gud

spark flare
hoary pasture
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Both did 62