#h1-high-heat-strategies
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When was that
Oh dang
Ah
Wtf lmao
big pp
BIGPthegoat
wr holder for less than a day
How did she pom it that many times
it was actually just arty attack with 2 rare chaos attack boons
oh damn
ngl this is literally my 3rd ever 60 attempt unmodded, dunno what to say. this run is unbelivably cracked RNG wise.
ce
ong
Lmao wtf
hades
Free
hades moment
3rd attempt overall btw
64 heat is free if you just get the boons
true
It took me 35 minutes to get 60 heat unmodded zag shield
Just get pommed epic jolted + rare crop for heroic jolted
Then get epic greatest reflex
And splitting bolt
That time when I was actually good at the game 
start epic zeus special and epic jolted and demeter attack and epic killing freeze and epic rd and dio call and smoldering air and splitting bolt
spittin
aphro in your backpack
Based
best shied
Zagshield only doesn't look good because beo is busted in 15 ways
and chaos
Beo high heat 🤮
Chaos trash
Because beo has 15 ways to scale up so when you're free to do that it's insane
But if you start removing those choices you're screwed
from what i can tell its just the same thing as zagshield but with a slower attack
and with no boiling blood
Except it nukes
even rama was better with its hunter dash+2nd hammer resets
You just need snow burst and poms
And they're so godamm hard to get
I sunk nearly 1k attempts into that sucker
well out of all my 60 clears gilgamesh was the easiest
Remember when damue did 62 zag shield
yes
Rama is actually good
And not reliant on chaos/wells or acorn
Twin on its own isnt enough
Believe me I've tried
You just have to get point blank of preferably perfect shot
Bc a good 2nd hammer compounds really hard
Since you have twin
I still have never gotten charged skewer on AP2 hades spear btw
NEVER
In 500 attempts
skill issue
Its only shown up like 3 times
If you have twin then perfect shot gains 300% instead of 150
7 min tart
You need explosive
Which is already really lame since its only 50 base damage
Without cskewer your special does max 200-250 damage
5 more than base guan yu
With its 700-900
hmmmm
honestly very poggers feeling to see you fellas still talking about my runs
58
But ive gotten to phase 3 twice on 60
Like a year ago
very poggies indeed girl slay 💅
dc2 just makes everything 🗿
I tried it again last aotw and my god I didn't even get out of tart
it do be like that
Im just wondering what possessed me to get to phase 3 60
didnt you get out of tart in like 2 mins with it once
or was that something else
1:59 on 50 heat
was quite poggers
But I had a +60% foes curse from 11 chaos
So the run was 11:55 

F
I finally. FINALLY beat 32 heat
i know its nothing in compariso to what you guys do, but still
Congratulations! 
We did our first 32 at one point, too. Nothing to look down on.
next goal: learnig 32 so im not fully reliant on luck anymore
You mean you want to be consistent at 32 Heat?
With your main weapon aspect?
Any weapon? Any aspect?
i want to be comsistent with at least 20 on everything
because i want to actually learn insteadf of getting luxcky
id like to be consistent at 32, but thats a bit of an insane goal atm
what ur pact like
You can see it in #h1-victory-boasting if you scroll up just a bit.
It's a decent pact with a decent build.
yes
Trippy Flare is not as consistent as other Beowulf builds, though, since it relies heavily on finding Grasp or Prometheus Stone to even function.
Well, even if the build ends up not working out, it should be enough for 32 Heat.
beo is enough for 32
Indeed.
If you want to become consistent with Beowulf at 32 Heat, I suggest you try go for 40 Heat now with it.
I'd recommend swapping to Passion Flare or Flood Flare for more consistency, though.
flood is stupid good for beo since it opens tidal & 1/2 mirage
opens tidal
makes pos in ur pool xd
Tidal Dash can be annoying on Beowulf if you don't have Charged Shot, though.
Since you knock enemies away if you Dash-Strike into them to charge.
True
why
That seems counter intuitive
Is it really so counter-intuitive? For rapid skill growth, the level of challenge needs to be right. 40 Heat will provide a better challenge and much earlier in the run. So you get better practice, and you get it earlier in the run. And the self-efficacy you gain from beating 40 Heat is much greater than from beating 32 Heat a second or third time or fourth time.
Ah I see
No. Don't play
That’s the true challenge
I thought the true challenge was to play while stoned, with the windows open during a real heat wave. otherwise why is the channel called "high heat strategy"?

let speedrunners use anything they want. lets see how fast that boy can go
Pure rage is all I need
I may need to oil my spacebar
What aspects are viewed as safe for 32 Heat runs? I main Demeter but it feels like it's getting me killed more often than not on higher heat.
all aspects are doable at 32 heat
what's your pact?
in general tho, fists and sword are gonna be the least safe
mainly because they're melee
Easiest first 32 is probably eris or hestia
Spaghetti plate shield
I haven’t beaten 32 yet but have had the most success on higher heats with Rama
Rama's like a top 2 or 3 heat weapon so yeah that tracks
Rama's a top 5 heat weapon at most
Below literally every shield
????
Beowulf can't really do 60 because of ap2
And isn't chaos only 50s
Chaos wr is 61 
Beo is virtually unaffected by ap2
The problem is ri3 which is 61 heat
You don't get poms on cast + no cast stones
Ri3 is hell
Ok genuinely how did chaos not die to td3
Aspect of cshot lol
Yeah
Ah
Zagshield doesn't add cshot damage
Trashspect
Rama is excellent for 32, too.
I think weapons being viable for 60+ heat shouldn't be that much of an impact on their general heat viability
like it's a pretty large consensus that Hestia is a great aspect for high heat yet it only can't really touch 60+ because of DC2
also the majority of high heat players are never gonna go past 50 let alone 60 and beyond
So saying Rama is below Chaos is a bit of a reach imo
yea ok
Simply rupture splash dash duh
No
its affected by ap2 a lot
needs cast poms
and snowburst
Yea hold on lemme just dash twice into every enemy to get rid of DC first in every room in the whole run
you're also likely to lose out of Fiery Bonus with that so your room clearing potential drops significantly
Then you still have poor room clear
Yeah idk why people bring up 60+ when somebody asks for help with 32. It's completely irrelevant.
I mean you're welcome to try it out, but someone who was doing DC2 Hestia Splash Dash start 56 (I think not quite sure) never got the clear
i mean genuine question is it that much of a reach
rama is hard and has a weird damage cycle
its very good if youre good at it but like
cshot is cshot
charged shot isn't actually that good it's just consistently ok
It's basically the same from 32 heat to 60 heat
it doesn't actually benefit from getting a strong build any more than any other aspect
It's base line is quite good but it doesn't get much higher
Rama may only need an attack boon w/ a hammer or two to preform well but it can preform exceptionally well in the 32-50 range
The added benefit of more consistently good hammers, better attack boons, better chaos boons, as well as the potential to get flat damage scaling w/ your special and even going into things like DR or Rod all make Rama an incredibly versatile aspect
While Cshot shields get like
more attack chaoses and more Epic Heartbreak Strikes
w/ the option to go into Smoldering but like every aspect has that
Yea lmao
CF0, RI0, AP0
you just get anyheat builds
Plus cshot is like
only bearable at high heat modded
if you're taking AP2 cshot resets 
Rama has like 4.5 good hammers you can start with
out of 9 I think
which is very good odds even w/ AP2 but w/o it you basically get a guaranteed good start
Chain
It's like good w/ Twin
for Ely
And Twin is good enough on it's own to go through the dad fight
You don't really need single target damage until Dad anyways
no
the range that pb procs
DC2 is also virtually free with Rama, and it's not affected much by JS either.
its fine
the tag damage counts as a separate hit
use a small charge bruv
wait yea it does
i just checked traitdata
You can just kill them with your Special. They're just Numbskulls. 
Guess you can't beat them then, nothing you can do.
How does a numbskull take 10 hits to kill
Special spam rama
Also maybe it has that Benefits Package perk that shields all the enemies around them
So it has like 6 shields
Simply click the special
Just spam special and don't get hit
hidden rail is awesome, probably my second favorite hidden aspect after gil
how to bump damage up for Chiron
I thought rama is decent since its decent burst damage with mult shots
rama is very good
esp for high heat
it's one of the best for high heat
but regarding chiron
the best build for unmodded would be aphro atk, dio special (start with this boon) and using privileged status
otherwise, you can use aphro atk, artemis special (start with this boon) and looking for jerkies or chaos to boost your special damage
your best hammer is gonna be concentrated volley
I tried for that, but feel its damage is nowehre near the point blank triple shot rama
well yeah
💀
chiron's not that great compared to the others
it's the worst bow for a reason
it's just a safe aspect
that's why I was a bit confused about the previous post
giant paragraph loaded with sarcasm

which one then
A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs
regarding rama
by MiKe i believe
I failed to see lots of the sarcasm parts
Aphro attack is sarcasm because weak don't stack
Artemis is....quite logical pick?
ohhh sorry
twin better
Twin is much more reliable and targeted
"copy pasta" literally just means, copy paste a giant paragraph
most of them are loaded with sarcasm
i'd say 99% of them are loaded with sarcasm tbh
I failed to understand are you joking with me or not
twin is better for reliability
Artemis isn't that great compared to high % because the crits aren't reliable
oh lmao
Oh, no
the only weapon so far I have not wanting to do a heated run
fists aren't that bad at say like, 32
not even 1
eh 1 is fine
I had a very bad time using it first time
em1 easy
and just don't ever want to redo that ever again
what'd you put on the attack
because that would explain a lot tbh
Zeus
Nah fists trash
maybe, fist is just something off for me
based non fists user
i mean yeah but they're still usable
What's off is that they have 0 range and 0 damage without me
what is explupper
exploding upper hammer
I remember I was just "alright this sucks so I am gonna try to slap ME on it like very single weapon I don't want to use"
Yeah no that's basically it
it is quite funny to use it to one shot mobs
yeah p much
except most other weapons can also do it
without cosplaying Star Platinum for half a minute
explupper dem if you dont get ME on dem is such a nice fallback plan
true
like literally
yeah not high heat but like
it's a good back up plan
yeah hyper delivery carry but point still stands tbh
How many Hestia Rail players play DMC I wonder
still provides good damage, even with lvl 1 common athena flourish
damage control?
Devil May Cry
I can literally see a combo meter next to me as I am doing animation cancels when using it for first time
Everything's got animation cancels
You can dash out of shield charges
Reload rail during special to not have an animation
etc
yeah but hestia it feel more of a ....necessity?
(btw what can be cancelled for beowulf? why I feel so slow when using it)
Dash strike into the charge helps a lot if you're not doing that
Charged shot also charges faster
You can also dash out of a charge like I said
jesus 50 heat
highest ive used is 7 xd
Highest I’ve used is 40 😦
i've worked my way up to 6 now, hopefully i'll be going past there pretty soon
I just got megg'd
in term of megg'd it stand for her portrait permanently occupying half the screen after using her summon
i need to see this
I cannot send images
Upload it elsewhere and paste the link
You can even just DM it to a friend or post it on your own personal discord, then copy the media link
is that lvl 5 hades call
that does seem like lvl 5 hades call
i love it
yes, it is so powerful that it directly summon hades himself to beat the crap out of you
Meg be like “im helping”
How do you even level up hades call
Just modded gaming things
I was using codex to practice EM4 hades, so it buggs a bit
did it do anything or just visual?
always funny when it happens
he'll just have to get it again next time
I am grabbing it 
Have fun fighting me using Twin Fists: Aspect of Hades you miserable old man
You already have access to aspect of hades no need for two lol
Mine does not shot 360 laser beams
Skill issue
he's got a chest full of spears to go with his wardrobe of cloaks
bad because you died
I just realized that nothing is unfair against the hades
He summon, he heal, he use traps, he spam invincible moves and ranged attacks, he do screen blocking
Only if there is some cheese to stuck his ai into a loop...
I am not directly summoning them to smite the miserable old man
And he is a literal God
then where is my power

Old Man can die too
Old man throws flaming skull
Zagreus is the god of skill issue?
Choose either HL5 or FO2, don’t go all into both
HL4 FO2 heroes will be hard
Also how the flip do you have personal liability but no jury summons
You could have cleared higher then
corner strats
You'll probably want to either take 0 LC or full LC and run Stubborn Defiance
But isn't that mean you have to fight the whole room or bosses with 60% of your normal health?
Also Calisthenics Program will be a huge time sink it makes boss fights take way longer
yea Stubborn Defiance makes bosses harder
but it makes individual rooms a lot easier
it's the tradeoff potential
if you run less LC and use DDs you make bosses easier by having a potential bank of extra lives but you make individual rooms more stressful by not having to take a lot of damage
SD's do have the potential to give you extra lives through Athena's Last Stand and Deathless Stand boons (If you die before picking up the boon it'll fill in your SD slot and then your SD will regenerate on top of that, giving you 2 lives)
Also huge thing to note is that Convenience Fee is a scam for 1 heat it takes away way too much potential boons/poms/health
still confused how they can have pl on but not js1
Oh they did do funky things with their pact
Also I don't remember seeing "reset options" in game
First time you see Hades mods? 
for fists 32 heat on demeter using merciful end should i use pride or legacy
my current plan is using pride and trying not to open up any other duos
Pride
I’d use legacy
Reset for rare or epic doom in c1, you don’t need good Hermes for 32 heat
And actually getting the duo way more often is just better
You also don't need good rarity on Doom for 32 Heat.
Nor Merciful End.
Legacy will get you Merciful End more consistently, but at the cost of dropping the average quality of your other boons.
Ultimately, either option is perfectly fine. Just a matter of what you'd rather deal with.
i just wanna try using merciful end a bit more
whats the highest 0 mod 0 rng manip heat run?
62
thanks
Was 63 modded?
yes
does anyone have a guide about what conditions to pick and what not to pick for low to medium heat?
https://i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png https://i.imgur.com/4iAMuRo.png
Edit: Here's a link to NephiOH's EM4 guide https://docs.google.com/document/d/126vagPhjSWQMR1x8O9tJT3neweSTdUUfw2pNVjqX7lU/edit?tab=t.0
Extreme Measures 4 (EM4) For High Heat clears (32+ Heat) Author: NephiOH (Last update: 5 March 2024) Introduction This guide is about how to defeat the final boss with Extreme Measures 4, also called EM4. I will focus on how to clear it, while having many other conditions in your pact. In High H...
This is my recommended guide and mirror progression
thanks
Hi guys. How can farming gems or blood titan?
When i play. The first boss not give me blood titan. Only gain
use a different weapon
you only get titan blood the first time you beat the furies with a certain weapon
once you clear your first run, you'll get more opportunities to get more TB
Please don't make fun of other people's language. That's kinda rude and unnecessary.
Still no point in making fun of them
What aspect and build?
zeus + zeus
Reasonable enough if you can clear fast. HL5 FO2 is a lot more popular than HL5 FO1 at 40.
Could do CF0 JS2 if you used FO2, for example.
where is the minus button on Convenience Fee
Take it off take it off
JS3 is a much bigger time sink than it might appear at first I would consider putting that heat into other pacts like FO or HS
i would go fo2 and hs and remove js
yea
or even ap1 and js1 if you really really don’t want fo2
AP1 kinda free
Zeus is very strong with more or less minimal boons
A good special and Jolted is like all the damage you need for a clear
just dont get jolted crossed out tbh
but yeah cf1 hurts a ton as is, cf2 is just hell
No idea how that bugged out, it’s fine now
But reading your name, it feels like a special hell designed for you
Boons costing 270 gold 
HADES 2 HIGH HEAT STRATEGIES
INTRODUCING HIGH HEAT.... TWO
is everyone returning when this drops?? 👀
what do u think

Time to hide in this channel until the hype dies down
Since people can’t read and will probably be flooding #h1-discussion for a while
If Heat doesn’t go to 128 in Hades x2 I’m gonna boycott
the return of an early access period means the return of 153 heat clearly
Zyru streaming FO100 was fun to watch
Hades 2 
If you do 153, I'll do 154. 
the cycle of barrel rolling begins anew

Time to have a wr for 1 micro second
I heard the news
Old frens
This time I'll actually join in at the start
Me too!
Same >:D
Oh yeah, side note : I resumed the 64 heat attempts somewhat
Will hopefully get it done before Hades 2 is out
Lol I will not be returning to Hades 1, I don't want to burn out before I even start LOL. I will see ya'll at EA though.
Oh boy lmao gl with that baj
Good luck! 
gl baj! 
64 heat will be 128 heat in hades2 due to inflation for more information search for hades 2 inflation
Oh no
Actually that doesn’t even give questionable results
The internet has changed in the month since I first searched that
SGG did some SEO

Okay so uhhhh is Hades 2 out yet
early access should be next year
Yes we’re waiting on Hades 3 now
CREPES
expect me to play the hell out of hades 2
Can't wait to play Hades 2 at half hp
will max heat be balanced (prob not)
Every iteration of "heat" is better than the previous one
So I'm pretty sure it will be really good
Biggest problem with Hades 2 is that I won't have the crutch of Hestia to lean on 
Unless there is gun magic. Can't wait to cast bullet
There will be Hestia 2 I'm sure
YoooOOOO Hestwoia
Ty for confirming. Pretty cool that you're on the dev team now
Also I'm suing you if there's no Hestia 2
yeah I've made it afer all
No problem
Well, make a post in #hades2-feedback and I'll upvote it. 
👍
Do or do not. 
hey does anyone know of a (relatively) easy way to get 32 heat?
So what do the mods do that people use in the modded spreadsheet?
A good portion use the Speedrunning modpack, which includes but is not limited to sack RNG control, first boon offers 4 choices, first hammer is set, controlled minibosses, fountains are visible ...
Anti rng
hypermodpack coming soon which removes even more rng :)
absolutely based
dont think it would be applicable in heat at all
64 heat done within days
rama 62 done within days
all the milestones would be made trivial
ye it's a speedrun modpack
high heat strategies
i did not notice that 
trivial for a few people in the entire hades community to beat isn't exactly trivial tho
still an insane accomplsihment and showcase of skill, just with a second hammer and more free rooms
and hermes too ig
it's a lot that's given to you but it doesn't trivialize anything
High heat players admit that they are good at the video game challenge (impossible)
i mean depending on the level of hypermodded it just becomes a boss rush 
Yea it becomes “can you do the video game thing of fighting bosses with near perfect gameplay and precision”
Like consider this:
The route for the 64 routed run is public knowledge
Yet Baj is still the only person to have completed it
Even with the perfect build and all the rng in your favor it’s still incredibly difficult
You can like watch the video
Of the route
And write the stuff
that doesnt get u the seed
I think the save file is somewhere
Idk
My point is that it’s hard
And if all you need is the right boons to be confident to beat it
Then you are the top 5 players of this video game
And you should admit that
Rather than running a facade that “oh I’m bad and this game isn’t actually that hard it’s just rng” because not only is that demeaning to your own accomplishments but it’s demeaning to other people’s accomplishments as well and there’s so much more that goes into everything
amb is probably easily top 5 heat runners in the game lol
this is also an extremely fair point lmao
"if you get the boons then it's easy" is true to an extent but the boons only take you so far
i've thrown runs when i had the boons, and im' sure many have as well
Also I just wanna specify that I’m not bashing y’all who don’t want to admit that you’re good I understand if it seems that way, I know that it can be hard to admit that you’re talented at something for one reason or another but it’s also important to know your own accomplishments and to be able to appreciate them and to be happy about them
Hades as a game is pretty ruthless with its skill ceiling as in you will never reach it, it is purposefully designed to have the game be as little of a limiting factor as possible, to the point where the maximum difficulty has only been cleared by one person. Always trying to one up yourself is potentially incredibly consuming and self-demeaning as you keep setting goals that you either barely attain or don’t. And pushing yourself isn’t necessarily a bad thing but it’s also important to set healthy boundaries not only for your physical and mental health with respect to stress and time but also your mental health with respect to acknowledging your own accomplishments as valid
Wholesome hour
And for what it's worth, Angel got way too close to completing it with just the modpack
Should have been her win I swear 
I like this
I've seen this in so many games too - the players at the highest level got there by practicing a ton, internalizing high level skills to a subconscious level, and ruthlessly identifying their own mistakes. But when you start to look at the gameplay binary as either "perfect" or "imperfect", there are no good players, only people who make the least mistakes. It is distorted but understandable given the perspective needed to be a high level player
The way I zoom out and think about it is: How many individual inputs do you think you make during a single hades run? Directional inputs, button presses, etc. I would guess it is a 6-7 3-4 digit number. How many of those are mistakes? I would guess at the highest level, these players are making single to double digit mistakes max, with orders of magnitude of correct inputs - we're talking 99.99% correct or more.
Hard to describe oneself as bad when .01% of their inputs might cause minor issues
I would be surprised if a single Hades run takes a 6-digit number of inputs
Ik it’s not the point of the message but it got me curious 
Think about every movement input you do
we should get a counter lmao
I know analog might not have discrete inputs but like... it's a lot of data and decision making
there's also people who spam click on fists so that would probably skyrocket lmao
Yeah
I can check myself with some basic math that probably justifies 6 digits being too high
A ten minute IGT run means 600 seconds
So 10 inputs per second would be 6000
Dunno if we have that many per second lol
hestia players can probably do that
I mean I'm not saying it's impossible, just that for ballpark purposes
But yeah I'd be curious to see if someone coded an input counter what it would look like, tbh it's probably not too far off from the rng seed display
Since every input changes it if I recall
Not sure if that counts directional data tho
doubt it since that doesn't change rng
Hestia players doing 10 inputs per enemy
For top times you’ll also need good knowledge when it comes to builds and boss behavior
32 was annoying to do
can anyone help me ive been struggling with 32 heat for some time now can i get any tips
What's your pact and mirror
pinned messages have several resources too
cant post images here
send image link
wdym?
Post it to imgur or something
You can post an image link here, just not a direct upload
or send the image in a separate server, and hit "copy image link"
wait ill just do it like this
sp
cv
dd
gf
bb
ss
dp
ts
ps (could prock it easily)
df
gl
fp
thats the mirror
EM4???
Okay yeah we can make this a little easier
Your pact is missing TD3 and LC4/SD
And priv status is a trap - you end up forced into specific builds and you're severely underpowered while waiting for them to come online, plus you have less flexibility in execution
FF is 5% per god and it starts adding up as soon as you take your first boon, plus you don't have to do anything
God's legacy vs pride is close if you're hunting for a specific boon, I'm not sure what build you're chasing - but the purple base boons from pride will do a lot more damage up front and help get your run off the ground more cleanly
Your victory screens from 8 months ago were in td3 ranges and I'm guessing you've only gotten faster
or slower if you stopped playing in those 8 months lmao
No one uses acronyms for mirror talents really. Except for DDs/SD and sometimes PS/FF. 
later yeah but tartures is mostly like 6 minutes tbh
Because you have dc1, legacy, and priv status 🙂
You're costing yourself a ton of time early with stuff that isn't online and losing your first hit
Fam fave gives you 5% as soon as you pick up a boon
yeah changed them and now i think imma go nemesis and get just try to make a comfertbale and easily repeatable build
This pact and mirror can clear with anything so just pick whatever you're comfortable with
But don't overfocus on a specific build, the skill set you want to build is one of flexibility
then what would be?
Eris is the go to rec
Demeter works, Zeus is good if you have familiarity with it
Hestia too
Achilles dece
beowulf and use infernal soul?
only good beowulf cast is dio imo
Only swith Crystal Clarity or Hunting Blades.
mirage shot is bugged to deal 100% more damage on beowulf, so flood flare -> deadly strike -> mirage is good damage
I like punching
and passion flare is just high raw damage, and since the damage can last through tart and probably asphodel, you can use pstatus on it if you want (ideally snow burst)
Let's back up a bit, what weapon do you find yourself playing the most
sword or bow at the moment
Which bow do you play?
Arthur, Hera, or Rama would be reasonable choices
my main bow is chiron :)
Chiron is great for easy 32 Heat.
wich boons ?
Heartbreak Strike start, then look for Drunken Flourish or Deadly Flourish. Whichever comes first.
Plus their Duo Boon with Lady Aphrodite.
And go for Divine Dash in Asphodel.
so dyo okay thats how i did my 16 heat lol
and as cast artemis hopefully for dyo + artemis duo
didnt get any duos on my 16 heat run tho
You don't need em to win 🙂
They're nice to have, but fundamentals help a lot and purple base boons help too
practicing certain pacts separately and combining some together also helps learning pacts
lc4 SD can be a bit difficult to get the hang of at first
It's an adjustment for sure
You'll need to tighten up boss fights mostly
Also make sure you're aware of the mechanics of how SD works - in particular, you'll want to take advantage of forcing resets and using athena DDs
Since SD resets every room, you can use it as "healing" - particularly in asphodel where if you're at low health and haven't popped SD you just stand in the lava until it pops
(Note - once this becomes habit, you will end a run by "resetting your SD" when you have already popped it. It happens to all of us once.)
In addition, if you use you SD and then collect an Athena boon and get a DD, you keep the DD and get your SD back on top of it
question, what do the erebus gates actually do?
So athena will let you bank DDs and is quite powerful
and sd always gets used first
Ye
If you don't get hit you get an upgraded reward
and chaos DD also works with SD if you're lucky enough
didn't stop me from throwing a run when i had 2 of them tho
welp imma switch back to the 7 minute timer bc 5 is too short for me
You gotta practice more than one run
You don't have to do td3, but I feel pretty confident that it's easier than a lot of the other options
Have you watched any high heat clears? Like on the leaderboard?
Might help to see what people do that you aren't currently doing
Good luck!
It takes practice
But 32 does in general
Yeah this is for 32
Mirror and pact are here
wait tree have you beat 32
Is this unironic
probably
I mean the heat gotta come from somewhere
Feels like it's been the meta recommendation for multiple years unless I have missed a recent development
There hasn’t been a meta development
But in fairness, there aren’t many new players that are actively developing the meta
Hell yeah
Doesn't help that a lot of the newer players ridicule off-meta 32 pacts instead of looking into them tbh.
yeah
32 has a ton of flexibility
There's enough space to play the way you wanna with good execution
I don't believe we've found the best, easiest 32 pacts for new players yet. We just found something fairly reliable.
Your pact has a high success rate
By now the theorists moved on to other things. Other games, higher heat, faster 32, etc.
I am the high priestess of the Temple of Aphrodite. I have no time for such a low office.
with bp and fo on you have to have a pretty strong case to not use lc4
That is painting with a very broad brush
Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn
This is consistently the most successful 32 recommended in here
Some of it depends on the player but a lot of it depends on the guidance and practice
I'm not a great player but I was able to 24x32 with a slightly different pact - HL1 CF0 FO2 and all the other conditions above - and it really was just a question of watching a couple vods to understand what to do and then going and doing it
You don't need td3 but saying that td3 and lc4/sd are bad calls at 32 is misaligned with what people have done well with when they come here for advice in the past
It's obv not the only way to do it, but it is probably the most frequent way we've seen it done from people who struggled otherwise
For what it's worth, one of the biggest mistakes we see when people come here involves them saying "I can't do td3" and then they have cf2 dc2 js2 cp1 pacts and tartarus takes them 7 minutes
People love the pacts that don't feel as dangerous, but they slow people down and give them more chances to mess up or get hit or whatever while limiting the much less punishing heat that TD is capable of providing
i mean that pact avoids fo2, and not a lot of players have experience with that
so it's gonna be more consistent at the start
Between HL5 FO2 and TD3 you usually have to take two
You can take any two you want, though HL5 FO2 not recommended
But, as you can see... it's been recommended a lot and worked a lot https://i.imgur.com/uRc6Est.png
I'm not a CF fan myself and I'm bad at not getting hit, which is why I go FO2 HL1 CF0
But it took me like a week to learn FO2 and I died a LOT
yeah fo2 is not fun at the start
fo1 is more manageable if you want to sneak that in there tho tbh
could knock out cf2 and go down to hl4 if you want but fo can be scary
I learned FO1 first because I tried to go straight to FO2 and that was... not working
So I learned FO1 and then learned FO2
i dont remember if i trial by fire-d it lmao
It's a huge difference
Like all of a sudden even Lernie becomes a real challenge
And Asterius is the destroyer of first time 32s if you run FO
If you have experience with FO2, it's even easier with it off.
or harder because you dodge too early
well getting out of range is fine, it's more trying to iframe hits where it sucks
like yeah i can dash out of range of a dad spin, but if i want to iframe it chances are i'm gonna be early
"just don't iframe it" well i'm used to iframeing things at the right timings lmao
Most things that you i-frame on reaction, you will never be too fast for even with FO0 and full Chill stacks.
I mean I wouldn't use HS at 6 heat either
If you're saying "learn FO early if you want your higher heat runs to come easier", then sure, that's good advice for people looking to get into speedrunning or make big heat pushes
But if someone comes in here and says "I want a statue and I've been doing 32 pulls" that's a diff ballgame
This is the heat prog I would've recommended to you
No HS, no FO 🙂
eh i mean it'll happen every now and then, dodging too early tbh
happened a few times when i was doing a fresh save file
Makes sense
my first 32 was a disaster lmao
nice ME
AP1
It was awful
It was actually a great merciful end run though
It was only missing one thing...
...merciful end
I got proc-blocked THREE TIMES on the duo
That's some solid PS uptime
Like I said, shame is first time 32s lol
I learned not to AP
With practice and a much better pact I did many more much better 32s
But that first one was way tougher than it needed to be
after my second 32 i got into speedrunning, got a sub8 or 7 or something, then got into heat
my 3rd 32 was hella clean and only popped sd like twice lmao
and then 40 took 2 attempts, and 50 took 8
but the first 32 is always the worst lmao
Y'all kids had it easy when you did your first 32 Heat. 
my first one ended up being really good for some reason; no death defiances used. Took me like a good 4 runs (1 meme run where I killed myself in tartarus and 3 where I ended up dying on final boss) to get it though
Ooh is it time for grandnyaanyaa's early access stories
I dont have my first 32 screen shot
I think it was Rama tho
It was “so long” ago
I would settle for a screenshot of your first keyboard bindings
Was your first 32 full keyboard
So crazy
I would have been tilted well before that lol
oh that looks horrid
lmao this is just how i played the game back then
Now listen closely, young one. When this beautiful young lady was even younger and no less beautiful, and Hades had not been officially released yet... we climbed three mountains every day just to get to our PCs so we could play Hades, and then we had to crack a 128,000-bit modulating encryption key just to get to the title screen. When we finally got to the Courtyard, we had to walk past blazing suns to start our 32 Heat runs, and then it got worse.
Bruisers gave 2× armor, Saviors were uncapped, Poppers spawned more souls, BP combos like Speeder + Seeker and Speeder + Puller weren't banned yet, Forced Overtime didn't have limits for certain enemies yet so a lot of attacks were literally unreactable, we had no Dark Foresight, a lot of god pairs didn't have Duo Boons yet, spear was still terrible, bow was god awful, EM Theseus's bombs did a lot more damage and were very unpredictable and the red areas practically useless for determining where they'd land, EM Asterius's turn speed was much better, Hades's spin was undodgeable, Hades's beams would routinely clip through the rocks, when you asked for help you were lucky to find even a couple people who'd even tried that aspect on 32+ yet... or 32+ at all. Kids these days have it sooo easy. 
We also had no Rush Delivery. 
truly the good ol' days
my first 32 was hl4 lc4 fo2 iirc
Nice
Croven binds
jus ur avg keybinds
i mean they are average keybinds, just not for a mkb game
it's literally just fightstick binds for a leftie
im a righty
ok that's pretty cursed
lmao
im a Kbm player too
How do you even play like that
No mouse
well i dont anymore but
for context i came into this game right after playing hollow knight and these were approximately my binds for HK so i just repurposed them
real gamer
Do not question the way of the Croven.
realest of gamers
kb only moment
basically controller but without the better movement

Really aspect and pact-dependant as it can give you the damage scaling required for the back-half of your run (Elysium my beloved), particularly on melee where it's much easier to proc with a status-inflicting dash
Forgot to check the channel for such a long time. Glad to see good old faces around 
There are narrow spots where it's justifiable, but I would say it is way more commonly taken by newer players than it should be when they transition to heat pushing
It is really nice for learning the game and it helps players figure out the importance and skill set behind guiding builds
But ff is way more reliable unless you have a really clear purpose in mind for ps that can be obtained without significant cost
Difference is usually somewhat exaggerated tbh. And Privileged Status helps a variety of builds that would be pretty poor with Family Favorite.
Just as a random example, something janky like Frost Strike + Drunken Dash gets a lot better with Privileged Status.
out of tartarus with a pool of zeus/artemis/demeter/poseidon should I take athena's keepsake for the stubborn defiances/dash or aphro. (they forced me to take the last two gods so now I have to choose between them)
im using the demeter fists
5 god pool isn’t great
What heat, and what’s your highest completed heat
like you can force athena but you might only see one athena boon after that
32 heat, and my highest completed heat is 32.
I’d take the Athena
i’d take tooth
I've never seen 4 gods so quickly before. ill go with athena then
whyd demeter have to show up 
poseidon is fine. I guess I was hoping to use a similar build I did before with zeus and aphro
cast is good enough, especially w arty
dont know where this is gonna go now but it should be interesting
:/
If at first you don't succeed, try try again.
got smair and everything in tartarus then died to alecto when she was almost dead 
I'm kinda sloppy with the fists though but ill keep going
alright seems im not that bad..got to heroes this time before losing
I wonder, how do i make that fight go faster anyway? I timed out before losing this time
even with 3:22 on the clock
- Meg at the beginning > one step upward, use the summon
- Focus Theseus on high dps build, Asterius otherwise
- Try to hit both at the same time when you can
If poseidon is in your god pool, definitely apply shoals to theseus, will shred him
After that it's practice
(and also learning what's good for your aspect ofc)
yup, I always use meg at the beginning. though I didnt know about shoals. i'll have to remember that one
havent played in a while and I tend to lose at this fight so I expected this to be a problem
When it’s just Theseus, don’t get close to him
Stay far enough away that he tries the spear throw
Cuz it’s a lot safer opening when he turns away and walks after spear
Compared to staying close and trying to dodge his relatively quick spin attac
im still the worst at not getting hit even after 31 wins 
alright so what keepsake should I take into asphodel i have a 4 god pool already with zeus, athena, dionysus, and artemis
wait would the tooth be any good in this case? would it give an extra stubborn defiance?
what weapon is this?
demeter fists
i'd take tooth
alright
it functions as a DD btw
gets used after your SD
and when tooth pops, you get 100 hp to work with
good just wanted to make sure it's been a long time since i played. ill continue the run tomorrow morning
distant memory 📈
can u sell premium vintage or not
im just trying to get a boon for underworld customs
No.
k
You cannot sell Premium Vintage, Nourished Soul, or Ocean's Treasure, basically any boon that drops something on the ground for you to pick up cannot be sold
good thing i took something else to sell then
Yea just also a future note
Nourished Soul is notoriously hated among high heaters for it being useless w/ LC4 and not even being a sellable boon
oh boy here comes shiny asterius to ruin my run i hate fighting him as a miniboss 
You're trying to do 32 on Malphon, wasn't it?
yep
I don't recommend EM3 for Malphon 32.
Normal mode, right?
yup
alright, hopefully im not too slow with the extra enemies in jury summons
Should be fine. Could also try DC1 instead if you're doing Lightning Strike.
rush kick, kinetic launcher, or long knuckle?
prob long knuckle
yeah dc1 is working better
should I buy the poseidon boon in this shop
probably doesnt matter too much
ill just skip it and save money
heavy knuckle, concentrated knuckle, or rush kick?
Concentrated
So when do I enter this chat, anyway? What's considered high heat? 20? 32? 45?
32+ usually.
You can ask for advice once you get near to 32 heat but typically starting out you should just try out all the different modifiers and get a vibe for what makes your runs harder and what doesn’t as much and make a pact off of that
Yea and you learn from your mistakes
it's called playing the game
that's why you test things out
So you know what can kill your run in an instant
We're happy to provide guidance but yeah you can get an idea for what matters by playing
The prophecy to use every heat condition is helpful to clear
20 bloods too
killed both theseus and asterius at the same time
at least..close to it I guess 🤷
almost won that time 
ayo based
@clever otter
thanks 👍
Thank you!
For how much Heat does playing with Covid count? 
how bad is the covid
It's a day 1 Covid, but it's a lot worse than a day 1 cold or flu. So far. 
yeah that's not fun... hopefully it doesn't get too bad
idk, when i'm playing stuff while I'm sick, i either start playing absurdly well for no apparent reason, or become incapable of playing the game
0 until you get a fever
this is a very specific request, but does anyone know of any max heat runs with commentary? like on YouTube
You can find high heat runs linked in the pinned high heat leaderboard.
Some of them have commentary.
haelian has lots of high heat runs with commentary on his YouTube channel.
im specifically looking for 62 heat bc I like watching people suffer (/hj)
I mean there's not a lot of 60+, and they're all on the leaderboards.
At the top, too, so easy to find. 
Seems like TD would cause a lot of stress in that
my dream youtube video is 62 heat unseeded speedrun with after-the-fact commentary with 2-3 people but that is overly specific
Plenty of competitive players who did their run while streaming.
Most of your attempts will be unsuccessful and often lots of resets, so it's kinda well suited for interacting with chat lol.
Also you have plenty of time when choosing boons etc.
If you're not doing RTA.
But even RTA runners find their moments to read chat.
You'll often see players just going through the motions in Tartarus until they see they have a run that's actually going somewhere. 
High heat gud
Actually that makes quite a lot of sense
Both did 62
not max heat but bablo’s 40 all aspects streak is p good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NeVIcBN5hM&list=PLB0RAd_ehKbDhAnX0iLITHmSEwsmuLrEw






