h1-high-heat-strategies

[lone bridge]

havent done that

[forest token]

that's why we dont skip heat

[lone bridge]

but i dont feel like heat anymore

[forest token]

smh

[lone bridge]

ill do 51 sometime soon

probably

maybe

you could always ask in the speedrunning discord, theres an invite link pinned in #self-promotion

[frozen spear]

yoooo finally muted

nice

[forest token]

Lmfao

[lone bridge]

oh thats sad

[onyx venture]

Don't dwell on it

[jaunty falcon]

Bruh

I don’t think creating an alt is gonna help your situation

Your IP is the same lol

Clearly

Dude

Um

Idk we’ll need a detective

k

The search bar

[mossy zinc]

<@&456908176877551658>

[cursive portal]

Is taking anti depressants cheating?

[jaunty falcon]

https://imgur.com/a/pvKhy2X looks like 2 accounts to me

[cursive portal]

Wait what happened here

Lmao

[jaunty falcon]

Good q

Seems like someone is blatantly asking to get muted

Or banned

welp

There we go

[cursive portal]

Aaand they're gone

[mossy zinc]

wightfyre — Today at 9:12 AM
Don't dwell on it

[cursive portal]

Wasnt planning to

[mossy zinc]

[shy plinth]

Hey everyone... happy 1.0 day 🙂

Two years ago today

[jaunty falcon]

Almost 2 years since I started playing then

[dapper schooner]

so like 1 year since I started playing

[lone bridge]

so like 5 months since i started playing

[pseudo kernel]

3 days since i started playing

[lone bridge]

damn youre an og huh

[halcyon flame]

happy (late?) 1.0 day

[shy plinth]

Late?

[mossy zinc]

I had a dream that I was doing 52 with Hades Aspect for some reason, but the final Hades phasing crashed my game.

[cursive portal]

[quiet mountain]

its all a dream, anyway

[honest kernel]

hi, is there someone I can talk to about editing the username of one of my previously submitted runs on the high heat leaderboard?

[quartz mantle]

@shy plinth and @mossy zinc run the sheet

[honest kernel]

thank you!

I dm'd hat

[quartz mantle]

The inactivity of this channel proves there are no more high heat strategies and that we’ve discovered them all

[honest kernel]

ok but have you tried TD3 DC2 arthur?

[quartz mantle]

Sounds like drunken dash gaming

[chrome kite]

Simply build into smair support fire flurry casts

[mossy zinc]

And Tailesque.

For rules questions and wrong submissions and such, generally ask me or Tailesque. If something on the leaderboard breaks and the spreadsheet needs fixing, ask RidiculousHat.

[fathom spear]

How many people are actually pushing high heat these days?

Angel is done, I am only gonna get into it if I have any Hades energy after 32/40/50 cats and modding

[quartz mantle]

I am like perma retred from this game I think

[mossy zinc]

It was way more active when WRs were still in the 50s because people felt they had a shot without having to grind 10 hours a day.

Now WRs are 62 vanilla and 63 modded.

And seeing the very best like Baj and AngeL1C fail to beat them despite grinding so hard for so long isn't very encouraging.

But even when somebody beats 64. What else do you beat after that? I guess aspect WRs, but too many of them just become a massive grind for RNG to even have a build that has a shot at not timing out or dying to EM4.

There's still people doing high heat, but they don't submit runs because they're well below WRs anyway, so I guess there's no motivation to submit them.

[honest kernel]

wr's might be gone but most people can still work on personal improvement :3

[gaunt fiber]

It's just the life cycle of a game you know

It has nothing to do with records, people are just done and we don't get as many new players

[honest kernel]

I remember when this server was bustling

[honest kernel]

yeah people move on to new things

[gaunt fiber]

Heat was also the least popular category for tryhards

[honest kernel]

would have been cool to get content updates but very much looking forward to what SG makes next

[gaunt fiber]

Somehow people prefer to roll dices at 9 heat

Yeah Hades is amazing and exceeded anyone's expectations I think

There are still easy records to take here and there (speed at 32/40 for certain aspects for example) but as said before, people are rather leaving than coming in here

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, but a lot of people don't submit those to the leaderboards.

[honest kernel]

I put one submission on the HHL then stopped playing for a while

[honest charm]

never considered the option...

what does "mirrorless" entail

[mossy zinc]

Just RI4. Everything else is up to you.

[ashen garnet]

Did high heat > boonless > extreme heat > hitless/damageless > Fresh File and more interested in challenge runs than fixed heat system at the moment. Guess I overdid heat a little

[honest kernel]

what constitutes extreme heat, 50+?

[hoary pasture]

Probably

[mossy zinc]

Higher than high heat.

Duh.

[solemn pulsar]

Whenever you make heat gauge cry

[ashen garnet]

Depends the aspect, but i'd say between 51 and aspect's WR counts

[hexed sapphire]

Above aspects wr

[quartz mantle]

I’d say 50+ personally

[pseudo kernel]

8

[nocturne stag]

0

[honest charm]

[ashen garnet]

Maybe that's why the channel is inactive these days, idk man

[hexed sapphire]

I wonder why

[nocturne stag]

0 heat is highest heat, it's like golf scores

[cursive portal]

This game sucks

[forest token]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839538570738139146/1024928680243363841/unknown.png

[cursive portal]

Is someone really gonna grind aspect wrs

Every aspect except for pos sword is 56 or higher

good luck lol

[forest token]

pos sword is cringe

[cursive portal]

tru

[forest token]

but maybe i'll give it a shot lmao i doubt it'd go well at all

[mossy zinc]

Not me. I am playing Genshin, Blue Archive, and Street Fighter V.

[cursive portal]

Nice

I'm in Crete rn and havent been charged at by the bull yet I'm very disappointed

[forest token]

Damn

You should get a refund

[mossy zinc]

That sucks.

WRs have become too grindy for me. Especially most of the high heat community I used to hang with aren't around anymore.

Still waiting for Toffel to beat my 51 so that it's my turn again to beat her.

[cursive portal]

I feel like ive contributed my fair share of runs

But it doesn't feel complete without a 64

Bleh

I gave jt my best shot

[shy plinth]

I think you are well above what consists of "a fair share"

You have a 63 modded clear and 21 of the wrs

[cursive portal]

23

[shy plinth]

...23

Update the sheet >:3

[cursive portal]

I have

I have chiron and hades 57

But caml did it first

[shy plinth]

Ah okay

[cursive portal]

So he shows up

[shy plinth]

That makes more sense

Well uh

If what you have is a fair share then everyone else is slacking pretty hard

[forest token]

My bad I'll get a 65 heat clear tomorrow

[shy plinth]

Nah

Do Crete stuff

[mossy zinc]

Revitalize high heat by offering cash prizes.

[cursive portal]

lol

[dapper schooner]

fair share

[devout quiver]

mood

[fathom spear]

Tbh you either need to make an unmodded/modded distinction there or specify you mean either an unmodded or modded record for that many aspects

[shy plinth]

I made that distinction in my message

[fathom spear]

Tbh I need to learn how to read

[cursive portal]

[pseudo kernel]

reading overrated

[waxen relic]

idk man as someone..

[forest token]

40 heat runs

[jaunty falcon]

Under my belt

[quartz mantle]

I will pretty much

[pseudo kernel]

always take

[ashen garnet]

Nourished Soul

[alpine sleet]

is stubborn defiance or death's defiance better?

[wet furnace]

At high heat (when you start using LC) you use SD since that’s the only way to heal

[quartz mantle]

SD gets better mileage than DD when individual rooms are more difficult, when you start to take heat like higher HL, LC, and JS, but especially when taking FO and BP

And at LC4 it’s much more useful than DDs as you actually get to heal

DDs are more useful at lower level heat or heat where you can make it through a large portion of the run without losing many, that way you get more total health for boss fights

[glass patrol]

There's one run where dad just lets you go right?

Can I use that one to achieve a super high heat run?

[nocturne stag]

Yes

[forest token]

Some people do that for the 32 heat skelly statue lol

[nocturne stag]

Tfw I beat 64 heat using it

[forest token]

Highest you can go for that would be 60 if you're on hell mode, 59 without

[forest token]

Em4 unlocks after credits

[nocturne stag]

Oh

[wet furnace]

SMH the third one is also a skelly statue?

[forest token]

why'd you think it'd be different lmao

[wet furnace]

Copium mainly

[left prism]

It looks really good tbf

[honest charm]

the best one, without a doubt

[mossy zinc]

Baj still keeping the 64 Heat statue secret from us.

[neat sonnet]

guess we'll just have to find out ourselves

[sonic elbow]

Folks, is there any sort of app that would process Hades logs and create a run log? With choices presented (rooms, boons etc), choices taken, time spent in a room etc? I imagine high heat players and speedrunners would use that.

[quartz mantle]

yea most people use OBS for that

but you can use any sort of video recording software

[cursive portal]

I don't think that's what they meant

We don't have any tool that creates a run log(aside from the one in the records chamber that shows the boons you've taken)

[chrome kite]

And isn't this already the reason the game starts to break down at higher run counts as it is

Because the game decides to load the entirety of every log of every run you've ever done

[cursive portal]

I don't remember what causes it

Probably

[solemn pulsar]

For previous runs, the game only stores what you see in the admnistrative chamber (boons, time, death location), and also a record of voice lines heard and rooms visited. Nothing about order, decisions offered, etc

There is more information for the current/most recent run, but not a ton more.

The game slowing down during saving is believed to be a quirk of the programming language running it, and it being slow loading tables of a certain size, which has more to do with the number of runs than the complexity of them

to do what you want you'd have to have a mod installed to be live tracking and recording all of the things you're curious about

otherwise you're not gleaning much more information than the admin chamber

[sonic elbow]

Thanks, I see
I'll probably won't create such a mod

[quartz mantle]

Yea I know I thought it was funny

[stiff flint]

What heat should i put into to get 32

The setting that would make it atleast a bit easier to beat

Ive beaten 16heat not long beofre

And ive been having trouble trying to beat 32heat

[shy plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png

Here is my recommended heat progression

If you are looking to go straight to 32 now, Nyaanyaa's build is probably the most successful first-time 32 clear

Nyaanyaa's 32 Heat Guide
HL5 LC4 CF2 EM3 BP2 MM UC TD3
Stubborn Defiance
> Owl Pendant > Lucky Tooth/Acorn > Acorn

I'm more of an HL1 CF0 FO2 person because I get hit all the time but her pact is probably easier objectively

[stiff flint]

Ah alright, thanks for the help

[shy plinth]

What keepsakes are you using?

And also what's your mirror at?

[stiff flint]

Meg's

[shy plinth]

For keepsake?

Not companion, keepsake

The traditional loadout is to target with god keepsakes first two biomes and then switch to acorn for the last two

[stiff flint]

Oh athena's

[shy plinth]

https://i.imgur.com/4iAMuRo.png

Here's what I recommend for mirror

It looks like from your most recent image posted in this server that you are not using dark foresight

That might be enough of a change by itself to get you over the line

Dark foresight gets you something like six additional upgrades per run over what you've been getting without it

[stiff flint]

Thats actually what i have

[shy plinth]

The list on the left? Ok

[stiff flint]

Except for deep pockets

[shy plinth]

I was just going by the image you posted a couple days back

[stiff flint]

Oh

[shy plinth]

That image has different choices than I would make in row 7, 10, and 11 - Deep Pockets, Dark Foresight, and God's Pride

Pride v Legacy can be close but I think the other two are significant

[stiff flint]

Alright

Thank, you. Ill try it out, see how it goes

[shy plinth]

Good luck!

[chrome kite]

fo2 based but then bp2 murders you

[shy plinth]

On hl1?

hl1 cf0 is really not that bad

[quartz mantle]

HL1 JS0 CP0 makes general rooms not nearly as bad

And CF0 means you have a lot of health and boons to deal with them

[distant pelican]

ok 50 heat is hard

are chaos gates worth taking with hesty?

also ive been running shackle in tart but dont really know what to use for aspho

[wet furnace]

Shackle hesty funny

I can’t imagine chaos wouldn’t be good for Hestia, as long as you can get attack boons

[distant pelican]

im just wondering how high the chance of me getting cucked with an attack curse because of ap2 and ri2

[wet furnace]

True lmao

Special Hestia 💪

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah

[distant pelican]

even if i have no rerolls?

[pseudo kernel]

Yeah just get the boons

I think it's safe to take them in tart

But if you are in Ely with no rolls then you might not want to take a chaos gate

Assuming this is ap2

50 heat

This is hesty

[pseudo kernel]

Oh this is ap2

I should read

Ye

[chrome kite]

Better than most weapons since you have attack/dstrike/special as good options while most other aspects have like one or two good boons

But chaos is a massive risk in high heat because of ap2

[forest token]

tbh it's not so bad in tart

the only really bad one would be -hp per atk

you can probably somewhat deal with -speed and -dash range

[chrome kite]

Roiling with a bad luck room would be rough

[forest token]

true

[chrome kite]

Mfw they spawn even more speeder cloner witches

[forest token]

at least if it's in tart it wont take long to get back to where you were when you die lol

[chrome kite]

I take chaos c35 at 64 heat 💪

[quartz mantle]

-hp when you attack on Hestia isn’t a big deal

[shell jacinth]

Purge epic bronze skin or epic frozen touch?

[lime elk]

what are you doing?

bronze skin is pretty useless most of the time but if you're playing a wep that relies on jolted you'll want to get rid of frozen touch

[quartz mantle]

Both

That’s a lot of money

[shell jacinth]

I suppose frozen touch does more useful stuff, could just purge both but CF2

[stiff flint]

It worked, took me a bunch of tries, but it really made it easier to do

[quartz mantle]

What about cf2

[stiff flint]

Aside from the tight time but yeah

And sorry for the ping

[quartz mantle]

Ay you got your first 32 clear?

[stiff flint]

Ye

[quartz mantle]

Sick

GGs

[shell jacinth]

Gz

[shy plinth]

Hey grats!

Yeah dark foresight is busted 🙂

Glad it worked out

[stiff flint]

Yeah, got rng on my side in that run, two epic demeter, special and decay. Then consecutive hits from hammer

Used chiron bow on that run

And i got athena without using her keepsake

So i got dash for safety

[nocturne stag]

Unbeatable challenge: 65 heat

Heat stops at 64 iirc so 65 is literally unbeatable

Yes

[honest charm]

70

[nocturne stag]

This is all information I know

[solemn pulsar]

this is a 0/0 scenario

unbeatable means "0% of attempts will fail" which is unprovable, since there are no attempts

[shy gulch]

thank you mathgull

[quartz mantle]

isn't unbeatable "0% of attempts will succeed"?

hehe semantics

[mossy zinc]

I guess cgull is no longer the semantics-off champion.

[waxen dock]

You guys on those high heats scare me but I wanna ask
I am on heat 14 with fists (unironically my best weapon, never lost a run w fists)
This is what I am using for my pact
https://imgur.com/a/wyyHHmU
As I go higher, what are the next punishments to use?

[hoary pasture]

I wouldnt use JS this early, and EM3 will be tougher as you climb on fists, look into UC, TD3, BP2 and eventually the LC4 +SD combo

[shy plinth]

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/hU14xqo79_YNdiOS1T4ffY_XF5jv9Vq4amD2e1q0F88/https/i.imgur.com/4iAMuRo.png

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/KWc-jjxIVw2WtP3qq18b10VS9n2Osrmb1vpnUgoU4u0/https/i.imgur.com/UQgfOtx.png

Mirror and heat prog recommendations

[waxen dock]

Many thanks
I have not noticed issues with jury summon tbh, sometimes it seems like it helps because it keeps the flow to have lots of enemies

[wet furnace]

Try FO, keeps the flow but doesn’t give more enemies

[shy plinth]

Jury summons amplifies all enemy modifiers and gives more waves of enemies

Everything takes way longer

[wet furnace]

Imagine being summoned for jury duty but in hell

[distant pelican]

does it really matter that much whether im taking stygian or infernal soul just because i prefer using stygian

[quartz mantle]

Stygian vs Infernal only makes a large impact when you’re running a cast build, otherwise it’s personal preference

A few things to note that they do affect are Chaos and Hermes boons

Infernal adds 2 Hermes boon in Quick Reload and Flurry Cast, while also adding an extra Chaos curse in Slippery (you can’t pick up your casts for x seconds after they drop)

While Stygian only adds 1 Hermes boon in Auto Reload

Tldr: for micro managing rng Stygian gives you more consistent Hermes boons while Infernal gives you more free Chaos Curses

[mossy zinc]

Lord Hermes chances aren't really meaningfully different tbh.

Infernal gives you access to Lightning Rod.

And can speed up especially Tartarus noticeably.

Also works better with most Casts you might pick up along the way.

[forest token]

also if you happen to find ravenous will, it's better if you have infernal so you dont keep regening casts

[jaunty falcon]

These days when I play a non castspect with stygian I just find myself casting all the time on cooldown

So I’ve basically switched to infernal universally (except dio beo duh)

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, same.

I say that with like... 3 runs in the last 6 months.

[jaunty falcon]

True I’m retired at this point

Haven’t opened hades in around

18 hours

[mossy zinc]

Washed up.

[jaunty falcon]

True

[pseudo kernel]

i tried playing hades yesterday and it didnt go well

maybe because i tried playing chaos like a castspect

[mossy zinc]

m not retired, m on Olympus with Lady Aphrodite.

[jaunty falcon]

I took Aphrodite special on my last run

[mossy zinc]

Very nice.

Great build.

10/10.

[jaunty falcon]

No clockets though

Rubbish

[mossy zinc]

Did you start with the Eternal Rose?

[jaunty falcon]

No

Otherwise I would have left Tartarus in 2:10

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, see that's why you didn't get the hammers you wanted.

[pseudo kernel]

clockets overrated anyways

[jaunty falcon]

True

Actually I need to check something

Nvm speedrun.com mobile sucks

Can anyone check if the other hestia sub 6s have clockets

[mossy zinc]

Modded?

[pseudo kernel]

cgulls and jons sub6s dont have clockets

[mossy zinc]

There's only one sub 6 unmodded.

[pseudo kernel]

modded

[mossy zinc]

Croven unmodded has Targeting System and Ricochet Fire.

[wet furnace]

Ricochet based

[distant pelican]

uh huh
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760937630082400327/1028780908041486406/e5a525b2-b5eb-470b-91f3-c902f881df2d.png

mkay

yup

oh right

[jaunty falcon]

Gg

[distant pelican]

mhm

ah

im considering em4 over ri2 at this point

[jaunty falcon]

Hestia?

[distant pelican]

did the exact same pact and weapon just without ri2 and made it all the way to hades first try

[distant pelican]

ya

[jaunty falcon]

Speaking from experience

Don’t

[distant pelican]

whatre my other options

1. die

[jaunty falcon]

Win

[distant pelican]

hmm

interesting proposition

is there a website or something where i can make a pact since im not on the game rn

[jaunty falcon]

You don’t really need an attack boon until lernie

[jaunty falcon]

Yeah but I forgot what it’s called

[distant pelican]

whats so awful about em4 hesty btw

i dont know much on em4 other than hard

[forest token]

https://hadesheat.onrender.com/

[distant pelican]

thanks

[pseudo kernel]

You need beeg burst damage for em4

Or a block

[lime elk]

or be beo who has both

[distant pelican]

hm

[pseudo kernel]

Just get clockets

And epic rd

And arty flourish

And chaos flourish

[distant pelican]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/760937630082400327/1028782559372509315/image0.jpg

problem

[pseudo kernel]

Then get triple sneak and die

[forest token]

hell mode?

[pseudo kernel]

Ew js3 cp2

[distant pelican]

i still havent beat hell mode

[jaunty falcon]

Do js2 cp0

Ri2

[distant pelican]

the lengths i am willing to go against ri2

[pseudo kernel]

Ri2 easier lowkey

[distant pelican]

i do not get boons

[jaunty falcon]

Hestia needs 1 boon

[distant pelican]

and i dont get it

[pseudo kernel]

2 boons

Attack

And titan toppler

[jaunty falcon]

My first 50 was rare frost strike and level 5 heavens vengeance

[distant pelican]

after a couple weeks ive gotten an ok attack boon 4 times

[jaunty falcon]

And nasty dash

That’s about it

[distant pelican]

im thinking about reconsidering the shackle start because when i get a boon it just makes that core worse

plus im not struggling too too hard in tart anymore

until i get speeder cloner witches in a tiny room

[wet furnace]

Speeder cloner witches

[distant pelican]

hm what keepsake should i start with instead

[jaunty falcon]

Aphro

[distant pelican]

probably arty or pos since i dont really mind them being on any of my cores

huh

[forest token]

aphro has big atk

[distant pelican]

yeah but i wont get it

ap2 doing things

[forest token]

keep resetting until you get it then

[distant pelican]

unmodded resetting

might as well try every run and maybe improve a little

[forest token]

i mean aren't you more or less gonna do the same with arty or pos

[distant pelican]

i dont reset like ever

reset for 10 minutes only to get epic after party and hangover strike next two boons

[wet furnace]

Reset for ten minutes to get the same common rarity cores but from different gods

[jaunty falcon]

I don’t reset for attack rarity in unmodded

[pseudo kernel]

I do

I get around 2 good runs every 4 hours

[jaunty falcon]

I stopped resetting for rarity in unmodded after I cleared 52 with common arty attack

I still do it in modded because it takes so little time to

[wet furnace]

Cuz hammer is guaranteed to show back up I imagine

Or nearly

[pseudo kernel]

Could get screwed by cshot

And pulv blow

It does

[wet furnace]

Ap2 absolutely affects hammers lmao

[pseudo kernel]

Makes attack animation slightly longer

So you block a little slower

[wet furnace]

Stun locking is based tho

[left prism]

Good luck stun locking a boss

[wet furnace]

But I assume this was a beo vid

[left prism]

Zeus

[wet furnace]

Icicic

[left prism]

Beo ri3

[wet furnace]

Just get the boons

[forest token]

Beo can work on ri3 if you don't take TD lol

Actually you could just do bad zag shield with it

Not fun but it exists

[cursive portal]

what aeiou said

[pseudo kernel]

[chrome kite]

Why would cshot be bad

[jaunty falcon]

Cshot is good as a DPS option, bad when you’re trying to play zeus^2

You use your bullrush a ton for mobility and safety

[quartz mantle]

Bad when ri3

Most of the time anyways

[halcyon flame]

cshot anyheat

cshot 50heat

[chrome kite]

😔

[cursive portal]

cshot 62 heat
cshot 63 heat

[nocturne stag]

Why's cshot better at 62 heat than 50 or 63?

[chrome kite]

Ngl I don't even know what the last pact you take to go from 62 to 63 is lmao

[forest token]

Cp1 probably lmao

[shy gulch]

anyheat
50heat

[quartz mantle]

Yea

When angel did 63 she did LC4 CP1

[forest token]

yeah i'd figure js3 is much easier to manage than js2 cp1

[quartz mantle]

CP2 just hurts so much

[nocturne stag]

Just win instead tbh

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958001617477697586.gif?size=48

[cursive portal]

that run was 18:21

couldve just put CP2 and probably won lmao

that build was nutty

[hexed sapphire]

Cshot slightly lowers your defense to massively boost your offense

But at 63 you're running RI4 LC4 which is uh

[cursive portal]

not fun

I finished my 62 mirrorless zag shield with 220 hp and 1 acorn charge left btw

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958001617477697586.gif?size=48

[nocturne stag]

Wow

[wet furnace]

Gaming

[mossy zinc]

That's not very efficient. Use your resources.

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/958001617477697586.gif?size=48

[jaunty falcon]

62 cshot is not better than 50 cshot

[hexed sapphire]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/787779476888354816/1029890767390507139/unknown.png?width=1194&height=671

poseidon wr fail 💪

[eager dirge]

Man I’m still having trouble on 32 💀

[distant pelican]

you guys use the heat feature?

[pseudo kernel]

what is heat

[distant pelican]

when the sun screams

[forest token]

You got a good pact and build?

[eager dirge]

Yeah I do, I have one ready for eris

But like

It takes so much concentration and I got college and Smashy bros haha

And after getting sniped in Elysium it hurtssss

I’ll look at the guides and stuff now

[shy plinth]

What does your pact and mirror look like?

[eager dirge]

I forgor 💀 not on it rn

Super down for a little looky later though

I can’t do any timer things yet

Not doing em4

[forest token]

you dont touch em4 until like 50

and tbh not taking timer is probably the reason why you're struggling a lot

[shy plinth]

Yeah if you're not doing TD your pact is probably in need of attention

A surprising number of people refuse to do TD because they pick all the pacts that make rooms take longer

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

Here's what I recommend for mirror and heat

Feel free to post your options the next time you log in

[forest token]

iirc matty took td2 instead of td3 and was like barely a minute over the time limit for td3

so like, td3 is definitely more doable than you think

[kindred flume]

even if you aren't doing TD3, TD2 is as close to free as heat conditions get

[cursive portal]

heat mods

[kindred flume]

Oh yeah they're actually called conditions or smth right?

[distant pelican]

why is 50 heat

i think ive been going at this over the course of maybe a month at this point

[forest token]

50 heat moment

[hoary pasture]

A month sounds like a little too much tbh, are you sure you have your weapon/pact/mirror figured out?

[distant pelican]

it hasnt been a month straight of hardcore grinding

every few days i just do an hour or two of attempts

[hoary pasture]

Yea that sounds more reasonable, what’s your heat pb

[distant pelican]

i cant tell if my gameplay is bad or if unmodded high heat is just this painful

[distant pelican]

45

granted i have quite the range across weapons

3 on bow

second highest is sword at 11

[hoary pasture]

What weapon are you doing

Rail?

[distant pelican]

yea

hestia

feels like i dont have enough damage in asphodel

sometimes itll take me a couple circles around the map to clear a wave

[hoary pasture]

Join the dark side

Run EM4

[forest token]

true

[hexed sapphire]

Is hestia good at em4 i forgor

[pseudo kernel]

no

[distant pelican]

no :D

maybe ill try running some 46 or 48 heat with ri0 and ri1 first

[cursive portal]

probably top 3 easiest em4s

still wouldnt do it

hazard bomb makes it easier though

[mossy zinc]

Wouldn't it be top 5 after every shield?

I think for me personally it would be:

1. Beowulf
2. Chiron
3. Crystal Clarity
4. Rama
5. Hestia

Provided you get good builds for each.

Something like that.

[dry pivot]

seems about right, I can't tell for beowulf but i can agree with the rest
Rama's absurd damage per shot is really funny in those em4 fights yea

[chrome kite]

Why is rama good for em4 when you can just get sneak then eat snot and die

Massive twin shots do go hard tbf

[quartz mantle]

Rama is good because you can get enough damage to just skip having to do the fight

sneaks are rough but they slow you down more than anything

and getting Athena Call can just invalidate their nuisance

I'd say shields in general have a good time against em4 because lol block and bull rush

[chrome kite]

Athena call moment

I breezed through 40 heat with 1 hammer and 2.5 boons just because of pommed athena call + proud bearing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1004618422094667777/1030686126240960535/unknown.png?width=1052&height=592

[mossy zinc]

Soul Catcher worse in my experience. It's been less of a problem for me since switching to Fidi, though.

And yeah, Rama is just good at skipping the fight if your build is good.

Plus, like I said it's just my personal list, and me gud with Rama.

Don't compare my Rama skills to Tailesque, though.

[chrome kite]

Just spam special to clear butterflies

[mossy zinc]

They just waste too much time.

Too much HP. Sneaks at least die relatively fast.

And you can still get Power Shots off with Sneaks on the field. Soul Catchers make that a lot harder. Double Soul Catcher can be GGs if you don't have the time to deal with that.

[tepid vine]

What pacts tend to go well with Beowulf?

I know dc stands for damage control, what do the others mean?

[forest token]

approval process, routine inspection

[forest token]

em3, middle management, benefit packages, jury summons 1-2, 3 if you're confident with the time

the first 3 are pretty standard for high heat

[hexed sapphire]

Huh

Beo tanks ap super well

U just need passion start and ur good to go

Ri3 is death in general

Monodash 😢

Nah

Arty attack aspect of cshot

Its basically the same smh

Just worse dc

[forest token]

beo can get double damage every like 3 seconds lmao

it's still similar dps tho

[hexed sapphire]

Gonna try that out sometime as a proof of concept

[forest token]

aspect of cshot gaming

[quartz mantle]

It can but it also benefits a lot from having a good build

And better build makes things easier

without AP you can shoot for things like Mirage and get an Anyheat build™️

[hexed sapphire]

Ap2 is free heat tbh

Just get mirage on ap2

[quartz mantle]

so true

[earnest cave]

Any Hestia recommendations for 32 heat, please? I’m running Shackle keepsake and HL1/LC3/CF3/EM3/BP1/MM/UC/FO1/AP2/TD3 for heat (Discord won’t let me post pics, sorry) and just hoping for good dash upgrades. Got Hades to half HP twice so I know it’s doable but maybe there’s a better way? The RNG has been tough for dash upgrades which is what i think my build needs? I’ll take any heat or build recommendations, please and thank you.

[quartz mantle]

CF3???

Dear god

Generally you can take away AP2 and take BP2 instead, allowing you to actually get a build together and use defensive keepsakes instead of shackle

Also just like take LC4

LC3 is ough

you don't get enough healing to justify not spending the heat

[hexed sapphire]

AP 32?

Ig u can make ap1 work

[earnest cave]

Yeah with the Shackle CF3 didn’t feel too bad actually. I swapped AP2 for BP2 and CF3 for LC4. Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll try that for a while

[quartz mantle]

The thing about CF is that without it you also get to buy health a lot

it generally helps out to be able to buy stuff

[earnest cave]

Good point. Healing was definitely a problem with my previous heat/build. I’ll update you all on how this new build goes 👍

[quartz mantle]

I meant like max health from shops

make sure you have SD on if you're running LC4

[earnest cave]

Stubborn defiance? I’m not sure if I upgraded that yet tbh. I’ll keep that in mind if DD isn’t cutting it, thanks

Oh I see what you mean now about SD and LC4 lol

Guess I need to unlock that!

[quartz mantle]

Yea it helps a lot when you can't heal

and just helps a lot in general

makes the individual rooms easier since you can mess up and take some hits without losing out on overall health

[earnest cave]

Awesome. I didn’t realize SD’s potential before which is why I didn’t unlock it. Thanks for the tip.

[quartz mantle]

It's pretty standard to use past 32 heat

[earnest cave]

I did it! I went with LC3 and HL2 though instead of LC4 though I’m not sure if it made much of a difference with SD. Thanks for the help. Now to see Skelly about some incredible prize wonder what it could be

[quartz mantle]

Ayy GGs!

[earnest cave]

Thanks! Too bad I can’t post my victory screen but ah well. Time to do it with the bow I guess

[quartz mantle]

You can post them in #h1-victory-boasting

[earnest cave]

Oh right thanks! need validation 😛

[hexed sapphire]

Wait how do you get cf3

J thought that didn't exist

Maybe you mean js?

[forest token]

cf3 means everything is 120% more expensive

gl getting that styx hermes

[pseudo kernel]

just get side hustle

[shy plinth]

They cleared, it was hl2 lc3 cf1 em3 bp2 mm uc fo1 ap1 td3

[earnest cave]

Yeah I’m pretty sure I got an early side hustle iirc. I got pretty lucky with boons early on so I only used money for centaur hearts and healing anyways

Overall a pretty lucky 32 heat run. Really didn’t expect to win it tbh. Maybe all that practice with the shackle and AP2 helped prepare me after all. Not sure where I came up with that idea lol

[shy plinth]

My guess is that your technical execution is pretty strong

That pact is tough

And you were using priv status, jeez louise

Very well done

[mossy zinc]

Pretty chill pact for Hestia.

[shy plinth]

For a first time 32 it still seems pretty tough to me, but yeah, Hestia one of the better weapons to deal with it

[earnest cave]

Thanks. Yeah I still have a lot to learn with the mirror haha. Hestia with its long range really made up for my mistakes

[shy plinth]

Your mirror's not bad, but FF over PS is def recommended

[earnest cave]

I’ll keep that in mind, thanks! I always forget to switch something on the mirror

[mossy zinc]

It's just LC3 CF1 AP1 instead of LC4 CF2, basically. Or LC3 CF1 instead of LC4 CF0. Pretty close to standard pacts. And Hestia has no problem with AP1.

[shy plinth]

I guess it's not that funky but any time I see a combination of HL LC FO and AP for a first time 32 I think back to... well, my horrendous first 32

[mossy zinc]

HL2 FO1 isn't too bad.

HL5 FO0, HL0 FO2, HL2 FO1. So long as it's one of those, it's not too difficult.

[wet furnace]

My first 32 was a cakewalk thanks to Nyaanyaa

HL5 FO0 Chiron

[mossy zinc]

Yeah, that's an easy one.

[haughty sky]

my first 32 was hl4 fo2 wtf

[distant pelican]

mine was hl5 fo1

[earnest cave]

Sheesh I thought I was hardcore with my HL2.

[wet furnace]

HL5 is free

Just don’t get hit

[forest token]

that can also be said about lc4 tbh

[earnest cave]

Yeah it was CF1, my bad. Derp. This is what 32 heat does to the brain.

[quartz mantle]

That's what this was making fun of lol

Also I'm a big fan of cf0 pacts so it was just funny

[wet furnace]

Oh that’s why your name is the cf0 addict

[forest token]

i would run cf0 if it wasn't for the fact that i'm trying to speedrun 40 😔

[wet furnace]

Just take ap instead

You’re already routing your runs anyway I would hope

Slash letters

[forest token]

already taking ap1

and not doing routed/seeded because that's cringe lol

[wet furnace]

Just take ap2 it’s free at that point

[forest token]

[wet furnace]

I read a guide on speedrun dot com about routing

Answered a couple questions I had had

Including that there’s mods that keep track of your seed as you play

[forest token]

i have a seeded run on my youtube i could submit but the frames literally do not exist lmao

there's no runs for seeded modded 40 which is hilarious

i might just do a chill seeded 40 heat run for funsies

[haughty sky]

how do i get good

[edgy swift]

very carefully

[mossy zinc]

Practice, practice, practice.

[mossy zinc]

The number 1 difference between the very best Hades players and everyone else is thousands of hours of practice.

[jaunty falcon]

And a good gaming chair

[cursive portal]

get an ergonomic chair

they're soo comfy

[mossy zinc]

@honest kernel how high are we talking about? What's your pact and build for Guan Yu?

[honest kernel]

ig my heat isnt rly that high for pros but i died at 12 heat and i tried 16 with it and died

i wasnt going for a particular build i jsut did the aphro keepsake

and my pact is usually EM1-2, HS, BP2, MM , TD and one of JS CP HC and FO

[cursive portal]

HS

[prime lintel]

HS makes the run hella hard tbh

Would suggest trying out EM3 instead

[wary linden]

fo2 em3 always eats atleast 2 of my dds i hate them

and i have not yet beaten fo2 em4

probably due to having no dds lmao

by “always” i mean like the three times ive tried

hs is terrifying but w a bit of practice its free

theres also a boon that basically negates it so

dont get the chaos trap bane w hs tho worst mistake of my life

[mossy zinc]

HS is a pretty bad idea for Guan Yu if you're pushing into 16 Heat for the first time with it. I mean it's good practice, but it's gonna be a lot more difficult than it could be.

[wary linden]

ever styx trap one shotted me lmao

[mossy zinc]

How comfortable are you with TD3 yet?

[wary linden]

tbh i feel like sd would be best for guan yu

[mossy zinc]

I don't think so.

[wary linden]

ok!

i wouldnt know ive never tried it

whats td again?

[mossy zinc]

Tight Deadline.

SD will just reduce your already small HP pool in boss fights even more.

[wary linden]

yeah probably

oh yeah i highly recommend practicing speed

since td3 is free if youre fast

i always have td3

[mossy zinc]

Right. But rat probably needs to pratice winning before winning fast.

TD3 is a good choice otherwise, but if it's pushing it too much, then TD2 would be better for now.

[wary linden]

td2 is good for sure

td3 killed me once so sad

or twice actually

dambit i dont really know the acronyms

do you have a list

[mossy zinc]

There's one pinned in this channel.

[wary linden]

ty

whats personal liability?

[mossy zinc]

I think something like HL5 LC2 EM3 TD2 should be easy enough to deal with for Guan Yu at 16 Heat. HL5 sounds scary, but it's actually pretty chill when everything moves at normal speed, minibosses are just the regular versions, and there are no other modifiers like BP, JS, etc.

[wary linden]

has that been patched out

[mossy zinc]

No, that's exclusive to Hell mode.

[wary linden]

oh whats it do

[mossy zinc]

You know the brief invulnerability you sometimes get when you take a very big hit or a couple of big hits in a short time?

[wary linden]

yeah

[mossy zinc]

Personal Liability removes that.

[wary linden]

interesting

why dont we have that normally

[mossy zinc]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wary linden]

i see

[mossy zinc]

It's always off in normal mode and always on in Hell mode.

[torn vapor]

You'd say it's a personal liability to not have it on normal mode 🥁

[wet furnace]

[forest token]

[edgy swift]

is killing hades EM4 p1 w/o killing his super-tanky minibosses just a matter of dps, or...

I've been trying to do that (this isn't really the appropriate strategy, all I'm really attempting is td1-em4-FO2) but it still seems rough because I'm still not quite used to instant spear throws alongside everything else being so much faster

[wet furnace]

How do I 40 heat Chiron hydra without getting pushed in?

[forest token]

try to spawn kill the extra hydra head to give yourself space

maybe 2 of them if you have good dps

im assuming it's the 2nd phase btw

i'm also assuming that's how you're supposed to do it lol

[haughty sky]

if you run around in circles you never get hit by anything

probably

[haughty sky]

target the minibosses when hades is invuln or in darkness, some you can ignore but others you can’t

use meg on part 3 of hp bar 1

[chrome kite]

Stay near safer heads

And pray to rng that they don't decide to headslam

[forest token]

run into lava to give yourself more room

[chrome kite]

🧠

just highroll for sure footing then live in the lava

duh

Pommed duo boons 🧠

[haughty sky]

just run arthur and disable the lava smh

i mean yeah but some combos are obnoxious

like sneak + anything

or if you get butterfly ball w nothing for butterflies and want to save acorn

[chrome kite]

sneak + butterfly rama hell

[wet furnace]

Main was wave beams, minis were lava and normal arrows

It was so bad

[haughty sky]

builds with like no damaging dash and bad attacks

[hexed sapphire]

sneak:

55

[quartz mantle]

You usually kill the minibosses unless they’re Sneak and you’re using Rama

[edgy swift]

I mean

I have no choice when he disappears but... really?

[quartz mantle]

Unless you want very few opportunities to safely attack Hades yes

[edgy swift]

I was killing them before FO2 EM4 but now I just feel like I get overwhelmed/can't think

[quartz mantle]

Yea you just want to nuke them asap

[wet furnace]

Having the adds alive is gonna overwhelm you more

[quartz mantle]

Having enough dps can let you just nuke hades down but it can get pretty hectic with all the minibosses

[edgy swift]

ok fair enough

also rush damage, stopped to think about it now - it deals a % increase to whatever your current speed is? so 70% (or whatever it says when it shows up) of all movement bonuses-as-damage-bonus? vials, sprint-after-dash, anything?

ugh its making me think about what my base damage is now/reconsidering taking swift special (zeus)

[chrome kite]

Yes

Also hyper delivery >>>>

[edgy swift]

yeah I was kind of thinking that probably beats most anything else I could get from hades, dashing being what it is

will also actually force me to use dash more xd

[honest kernel]

dont think i can run that quick

and i always thought HS was easy it was the first heat thing i ever ipcked lmao

from my very first 1 heat

[wet furnace]

HS is easy heat if you have the luxury of taking your time

But if you’re trying to speedrun or even just beat TD, it gets dangerous

And it’s such a low amount of heat that it’s not really worth

[honest kernel]

i see

[quartz mantle]

I mean you have the choice of 1 HL or HS

[forest token]

Hl damage builds up over the run and probably won't kill you long term but HS can instantly shaft you in a fight, esp dad fight

Like you'd much rather have 150 damage spread out over the run rather than in a single moment

I would think anyways

[honest kernel]

the pact conditions that make u remove a boon is the worst and never chosen right?

i mean that would be so painful

[haughty sky]

it’s one of the worse ones

you’ll nearly always see a level or two at 40+

[honest kernel]

is there a ranking sheet or smth for all the conditions

[wet furnace]

I think they mean UC not AP

[honest kernel]

like which are easiest and shld be chosen first

[wet furnace]

Yea in the pins here

[haughty sky]

o

uc isn’t so bad

[honest kernel]

whats HL i dont see the acronym in pins

nvm

[forest token]

eh sometimes it can hurt

hurts ME a lot because of how many important boons there are

what if tart tho

selling prereq

broke or cf cuck

yep

40% is such a pain

still a pain tho

uc isn't exactly "free" but it's just not as bad as it seems

it's just one you have to remember that exists

and can get fodder

[haughty sky]

even with fodder sometimes you get screwed on selections

[forest token]

tmw you sell epic static discharge instead of epic frost strike at zeus shield 40 heat

[haughty sky]

rolls won’t always save you

ap doesn’t affect purging pools

[wet furnace]

Imagine if it did

Imagine if Ap worked on friend choices

[haughty sky]

ap2.5 when

50% chance to remove the third boon

[wet furnace]

Secretly goated when you get forced into a god you don’t want in pool

[edgy swift]

are there any tips for dealing with visual clutter during the hades fight

[wet furnace]

No but I too hate the boiling blood visual effect

[edgy swift]

"boiling blood vis effect"?

I thought boiling was mirror (boiling/abyssal)

[wet furnace]

When dad hits you with a cast(the skulls) he inflicts boiling blood on you

Which, much like our mirror talent boiling blood, makes you take more damage

Double though instead of 50% extra I think

It also makes the screen edges turn green and pulsating

And hard to see through

[forest token]

i dont think there's any settings for that unfortunately

[edgy swift]

rip

[forest token]

either kill the adds fast so they dont spawn as many projectiles or kill dad fast enough so the adds die at the end of phase 1

[hexed sapphire]

RI1:

[wet furnace]

Key rooms:

[hexed sapphire]

DF:

wait

[wet furnace]

RI1 DF

[earnest cave]

Noob question; at 32 heat is Stubborn Defiance or Death Defiance just preference? Do you take SD with some weapons/aspects and DD with others? I want to go for 32 heat with all weapons and would like to stick with SD if possible

[shy plinth]

Stubborn defiance is meta at 32 because you want to take lc4

[earnest cave]

Okay, yeah I definitely want to take LC4. Thanks

[shy plinth]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

General recs here

Feel free to post pact and mirror if you want feedback

[earnest cave]

Great resources thanks! Will do

[earnest cave]

Demeter fists is better than Talos at 32 heat, right?

[wet furnace]

I’m pretty sure Demeter fists are better than talos at literally any heat

[earnest cave]

Ah okay. Good to know. I always preferred talos for some reason

[earnest cave]

Lost two runs because I keep forgetting to abuse SD before finding the satyr sac making me fight Hades with way less health than I would like How many rooms into each tunnel is the Sac usually? Also do you usually go for both boss rooms first?

[jaunty falcon]

The sack is either in the 4th or 5th room, usually the 5th

And yeah usually both bosses first

[earnest cave]

Okay, Ty. I’ll be sure to make some time to reset my SD around the 4th room next time

[earnest cave]

Got it! Sheesh that was the hardest 32 heat yet. Not looking forward to sword or spear tbh

[forest token]

except routed lol

[hexed sapphire]

Guan yu charged is pretty good heat

[mossy zinc]

I think Achilles Crystal Clarity is probably the easiest 32 for spear.

[earnest cave]

Guan Yu charged shot or Achilles with Crystal Clear. Cool, thanks for the tips. Arthur seems to be popular with the sword gamers? How about Poseidons sword? It looks kinda fun

[wet furnace]

Poseidon is fun and decently safe

Lightning Phalanx

[left prism]

the best sword for when you dont wanna play sword

[wet furnace]

So true

[earnest cave]

Lmao so it’s perfect for me. Awesome

[chrome kite]

Nemesis is the best if you're any good at sword, but poseidon and arthur help you turn your brain off if you don't like it

[mossy zinc]

Why be good at sword when you can be good at not-sword.

[earnest cave]

Nemesis is meta. Good to know, thanks. Lots of options with the sword which is nice at least

[wet furnace]

Nemesis has a very strong gimmick in a vacuum

It gets even better with heart rend

[mossy zinc]

Idk if I would call it meta. It's the best for DPS, but it's also much easier to die with than Excalibur or Poseidon.

Excalibur is one of the easiest aspects for 32 Heat.

Nemesis is one of the most difficult.

Nemesis much better for 32 speedrunning.

[wet furnace]

It’s one of only two aspects that can activate heart rend with just Aphrodite on attack

Obviously you need Artemis boons but you don’t need to use them for heart rend with nem

Or zag bow

[mossy zinc]

If you just want an easy clear with sword at 32, the other swords don't come close to Excalibur.

[wet furnace]

Would this apply at 40 also? My Nem run wasn’t easy but it was my first success

I feel like Arthur wouldn’t have been as manageable for me

[mossy zinc]

Not really. At 40 you'll most likely need to deal with FO2, and that makes Excalibur a lot more difficult to use. At 32, you can do FO0 or FO1 and have a much easier time.

[wet furnace]

Makes sense

That was sort of what I noticed when I first tried 40

[mossy zinc]

Falls off pretty hard pretty quick once you go above 32.

[wet furnace]

It was so much faster than 32

[mossy zinc]

Poseidon is definitely second after Excalibur at 32. Cast builds are still really strong and pretty easy to get going at 32 Heat.

Can just do Crystal Clarity, for example.

[earnest cave]

Ah awesome. Thanks for the info.

[mossy zinc]

Potentially easier than Excalibur if you get the boons you want, but less reliable I would say.

Lightning Phalanx is also a strong Cast build and will let you pick up Divine Dash and/or DDs from her pretty reliably.

More difficult boss fights though than just dropping crystals that chill and kill the boss for you.

[wet furnace]

Heroes with LP though

[mossy zinc]

EM3 FO0 with Chill and Crystal Clarity though.

[wet furnace]

True

[jaunty falcon]

You can either do hl5 fo0 or hl0 fo2

Both have advantages and disadvantages

[hexed sapphire]

Hl3 fo1 🔥🔥🔥

[mossy zinc]

HL5 FO0, HL0 FO2, and HL2 FO1 tend to work best for players doing their first 32.

[jaunty falcon]

Probably cuz you’re using hl5 fo2

HL5 fo2 is the speedrun pact

[chrome kite]

so true

[mossy zinc]

HL5 FO2 is what you take at 32 when you can no longer tell the difference between 9 Heat and 32 Heat.

[solemn pulsar]

😐

[chrome kite]

That can happen if you get darkness + strongbow hell

[honest charm]

oops
I used zag

[jaunty falcon]

[grand hill]

is there a way to quickly deal with mini-bossess during extreme measures 4? (personally i find the witch/wretched sneak miniboss kinda of annoyng due to quick attack speed and teleporting afterwards and im using bow of rama)

[chrome kite]

Summon is your best friend

Other than that, just have a very high dps build

Wretched sneak is a pain in the ass for even the best rama players, you just have to slowly kill it

[mossy zinc]

Dusa can help quite a lot with the Wretched Sneak. Once its armor is down, she will petrify it and you can get an easy shot off with Rama. And before that, she can help take the armor down while providing some cover from its attacks. You'll probably have to rely on your Special to strip it off its armor.

[quartz mantle]

Sneak can be very difficult to deal with using Rama but if you can find times when the sneak goes for backstabs and dad is darknessed for not a threat you can go for power shots

Athena call helps a lot for creating those openings for you to powershot either dad or the Sneak

and with the right build you can just burst dad down without killing the minibosses if they're annoying to deal with

using your summon at the third part of phase 1 helps with that

[chrome kite]

^

Phase 1 em4 is worse than phase 3

[honest kernel]

i did 18 heat so can i jump straight to 32?

i dont feel like grinding every heat level one by one

[quartz mantle]

You can yea

Nothing is really stopping you

But you should probably get used to some things that’ll help you have a more consistent pact

Things like LC4 with Stubborn Defiance, FO2, TD3, EM3

It might help to come up with a good 32 heat pact and learn parts of it on their own and build your way up in jumps rather than individual heat

[forest token]

on the other hand, you can learn 32 heat by doing 32 heat lol

[wet furnace]

Best way to prepare for 32 heat is doing 0 heat surely

[forest token]

0 to 32 heat

i should do 32 heat next on my new save lmao

i dont even have any keepsakes yet

or aspects

[wet furnace]

Just do it on 10th clear

Totally not cheesy

[forest token]

nah i'll do 47

[honest kernel]

ic tysm

[forest token]

Can't do em4 before 10th clear

[chrome kite]

What i did fr

[upper juniper]

You can jump from anywhere to anywhere
Matty went from 8 to 32 iirc

[honest kernel]

i tried a few times and i improved with every run

i got to extreme measures 3 elysium

but i keep giving up because i want to use the tidal dash cheese with gilgamesh

i feel like i can do it with just that

[forest token]

could've just not given up

and do the tdash thing the next run

[honest kernel]

well i was gonna die to the fight

evne tho i was close to winning it

the reason i keep using the same run and giving up when im near death is cuz its guaranteed tidal dash for starting boon

and its epic

so yeah

[wet furnace]

That’s epic

[honest kernel]

and the other gods of teh pool is athena aphordite and ares

[wet furnace]

Maybe try Demeter fists instead of gilga

[honest kernel]

which worked p well for my previous gilgamesh runs

[wet furnace]

Gilga is kinda weird

[honest kernel]

well i had my best runs with gilga aspect for fist

and it has 4 dahses

[wet furnace]

Me too until I tried dem lol

[honest kernel]

i tried it and i just dont get whats good about it

[wet furnace]

Lots of people like to play gilg with ruthless reflex (single dodge with buff when you evade something)

Since you already have bonus dashes

And the buff helps with damage and survive

[honest kernel]

oh isee

[wet furnace]

The best runs I had on gilga were ME

Splash dash start is nice but without some flat damage on attack fists kinda don’t take off

[forest token]

all the fists build the literal same, the only thing gilga might be better at than dem is ME

also gilga dashes are shorter so less iframes

dem also has the added insurance that if you try to build for ME but dont get it, you still have the charged upper

gilga's attacks are slower than the other fists so stuff like lightning strike and drunk strike aren't as effective on it

and maim is mediocre

[honest kernel]

bruh

[cursive portal]

nice discord username

[honest kernel]

yeah cant believe they made me change it

sacrilegious

[distant pelican]

ok but how bad is em4 hesty really

[jaunty falcon]

For 50? Suboptimal

[cursive portal]

its good

but I wouldnt do it until 55

(where you literally have to)

[hoary pasture]

You can do ri3

[cursive portal]

but should you

[hoary pasture]

Yea

For fun

[distant pelican]

ive just been getting kinda tired of not getting the boons

sometimes i have so little damage i run out of time in elysium

my hands kinda die after only like an hour of attempts

[jaunty falcon]

You don’t need a lot of damage if there’s barely any enemies

[distant pelican]

but things just keep spawning in elysium

oh right so i should just get the rooms instead of just getting the boons

[jaunty falcon]

Idk man

My hesty 50 had a rare frost strike and nothing else and I don’t remember the rooms being great

[hoary pasture]

My Hestia 50 was JS3 CP2 RI0

Highly recommend

[cursive portal]

Hesty kinda boring

[distant pelican]

gasp

actually yeah for the heroes fight i just run around only shooting and casting

[earnest cave]

I just got 5 sacked on 40 heat 50 seconds for Redacted. Skill issue

[forest token]

Doable

[earnest cave]

I’m not that guy

[forest token]

[earnest cave]

Yeah I just gave up at Charons store tbh should’ve gave it a fair shot but I figured it wasn’t worth the sore fingeys.

It also took me close to two minutes to beat the heroes. Damage just wasn’t there that run. AP2 gamer btw

[dry saffron]

I will get the hang of EM4 even if it kills me. a lot.

[earnest cave]

That’s the spirit 👍

[cursive portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/1036979984356618261/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1010216763717320735.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[jaunty falcon]

[fierce sky]

what would be the highest heat beaten so far?

I just watched a video saying the highest hasn't been beaten yet, so I'm curious

[forest token]

64 has been beaten routed

Unrouted modded is 63

64 was 1 second away from being beat lol

[devout quiver]

64 unrouted unmodded when

[forest token]

Unmodded would be a nightmare and low-key pointless lol

You need all the rng of modded in unmodded to happen in order to clear

So might as well do modded

No one wants to reset like 1000 times in tart just for the right boon and hammer at the start

[fierce sky]

huh

neat

[shy gulch]

i think 60 is highest in vanilla game? maybe 61 I can’t recall

[pseudo kernel]

unmodded has 2 62 clears

[chrome kite]

Does it? What runs

I thought tailesque rama was unmodded wr with 60