#h1-high-heat-strategies

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hexed sapphire
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maim is op that's why they nerfed it in v32.0

quartz mantle
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Like if Maim was stronger I think the aspect could be nuts cause more extra global damage is insane

pseudo kernel
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I would prefer a buff to the attack and dashes before a buff to maim

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Making maim stronger wouldn't do much to the aspect if the attack and dashes were still garbage imo

chrome kite
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What boggles the mind is why eris is the way it is

pseudo kernel
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They nerfed the buff from 8 seconds to 4 seconds!!!!!!!

hexed sapphire
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Bruh it was 8 seconds?

chrome kite
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How is zeus chaos shield op enough to not be allowed

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But clockets eris isn't

hexed sapphire
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Well clockets is also in part an unintended interaction

quartz mantle
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That’s not a chaos thing it’s just a Zeus thing

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The lightning bolts having an internal cooldown

chrome kite
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Even intended clockets is op

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You go from 500% damage to 350%

hexed sapphire
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Well that's also rocket bomb being stupid as hell

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Like did it really need bonus base damage 💀

chrome kite
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In a vacuum I kinda get it

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Regular bomb is 50 or 60, right

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But the explosion radius is really generous for just throwing it out and hoping it hits

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Rockets have to actually have another enemy or wall to hit if you don't directly hit them

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You can be up in an enemy's face, have your angle be off by 3 degrees, and entirely miss

mossy zinc
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Idk, we've been telling them from day 1 that Maim sucks, pretty sure. dusa

hexed sapphire
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I mean also to some extent i think its ok to have things that are better and worse

mossy zinc
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I'll never understand why Gilgamesh and Eris are in the same game and the devs thought this was fine. One of the great mysteries of Hades.

quiet mountain
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september 7 entry

hexed sapphire
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zagfists talos zagspear hades left for 50 heats

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kinda dreading all of these tbh

mossy zinc
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Just channel your inner Tailesque for Hades Aspect.

hexed sapphire
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UC0 pact is really comfy for 50 heat MEspects

pseudo kernel
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cf0 pacts better

frozen spear
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LC2 pacts better

devout quiver
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em4 pacts better

forest token
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Ri4 pacts better

lone bridge
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td3 pacts better

dapper schooner
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em0 pacts better

balmy zinc
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Y’all are speaking a new language at this point I can’t keep up

nocturne stag
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Em-1 pact better

mossy zinc
frozen spear
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EM-1 is just c14 fountain room

mossy zinc
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A timeless classic. dusa

honest charm
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.

mossy zinc
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lmao

honest charm
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it's true

daring hedge
mossy zinc
pseudo kernel
daring hedge
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hello!! friendly

mossy zinc
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The pings weren't my fault. Lysol brought up your name in #h1-discussion. I just did what had to be done.

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History must be remembered.

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As a warning for newer generations of high heat players. dusa

pseudo kernel
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Never forget

forest token
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never forget

hexed sapphire
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I also like men

quartz mantle
hexed sapphire
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does this still work

quartz mantle
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Yes but it's really slow

frozen spear
spring stone
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residentzag omg this emoji

pseudo kernel
jaunty falcon
lone bridge
forest token
west tiger
quartz mantle
frozen spear
solemn pulsar
frozen spear
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wtf how could cgull do this

solemn pulsar
ionic mesa
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Been away for a while. Last patch seems to be just a Steam Deck fix. Have any new techniques been developed? Any change in the meta choices? Anything different at all?

frozen spear
ionic mesa
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Uh . . . Around . . . a year and change.

frozen spear
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then probably not much

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zeus is getting pushed more and more, almost got 64 and got 63

ionic mesa
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Heat score, or what?

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Zeus what? Aspect of Zeus?

frozen spear
ionic mesa
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So, is that the highest heat score recorded? Aspect of Zeus is considered to be the best weapon?

chrome kite
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That's situational

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Certain weapons are good speedruns or heat (or neither if they're bad enough lmao)

ionic mesa
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Okay, which are considered to be the best aspects per weapon? I'm not a speedrunner, but I do like to optimize within reason.

jaunty falcon
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Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, hera, demeter, eris/hestia

chrome kite
chrome kite
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You should just use whatever you enjoy unless you're specifically trying to improve times or heat by a lot

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But this is more or less alright as a general sense of what weapons are good

ionic mesa
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Theseus tier? xD

frozen spear
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yeah that looks about right

ionic mesa
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Zagreus bow really did end up high-tier. That's remarkable.

frozen spear
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arthur isn't bottom tier tho for a non strictly high heat/sweatstain speed tier list

chrome kite
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It has built in crit chance

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Lmao

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This is a tryhard type list 😎

frozen spear
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clearly not, it has talos bottom tier

chrome kite
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Arthur is super fun and makes early clears braindead easy though yeah

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Man I love taking 15 damage from hades

ionic mesa
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Yeah, I mean, I remember when it got a buff in a patch, and I still haven't poured blood into it because I wanted to wait to see if others found the buff strong enough, see?

frozen spear
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FO2 HL5 LC4 sucks for making facetanking arthur unviable

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sad

jaunty falcon
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Zagrail below talos and chaos 💀

frozen spear
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unironically chaos > zrail

jaunty falcon
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Man

frozen spear
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change my mind

ionic mesa
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People said that it showed a lot of promise, but I waited, and then too many things happened in real life and other games for me to keep track.

frozen spear
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you can't because I'm right

jaunty falcon
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Spread fire :>

ionic mesa
frozen spear
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sf is just fists but functional

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cshot is just god

jaunty falcon
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Cshot…

frozen spear
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cgod

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that makes me wonder what aspectless weapon would be best in speedrunning

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shield obv for heat

chrome kite
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Chaos did like 60 heat didn't it

frozen spear
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61 I believe

chrome kite
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I don't think zag rail got that high

frozen spear
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man would fists be best for aspectless

ionic mesa
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Zag shield being so high doesn't feel right.

chrome kite
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And you won't really use either for speedrunning

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It actually put in work at high heat from what I hear

frozen spear
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well for speed runs zrail's got chaos beat by a country mile

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since zrail has enormous dps and is great with ME

chrome kite
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Oh right spread fire

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Melee gun 🧠

frozen spear
ionic mesa
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Fair.

chrome kite
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Shield is the only thing that will save you from fo2 speeder wavemakers

ionic mesa
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My tryhard weapon selections thus far have been Nemesis, Achilles, Beowulf, Rama/Hera/Chiron before it was nerfed, every fist not named Zagreus (though my Darker Thirst never picks the bloody things, so I'm only on, like, 9 heat or something), and Eris, so I guess that I was already on the right track.

chrome kite
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How'd chiron get nerfed

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Why are they nerfing things when bugwolf exists

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Game is straight baller but so many of the balance decisions seem weird

jaunty falcon
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Special damage 15 -> 10, number of arrows at each level increased by 1

chrome kite
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Like sword special being nerfed

frozen spear
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jesus that neutered it

ionic mesa
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Several patches ago, its special was just plain dealing too much damage.

chrome kite
jaunty falcon
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It was op ngl

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But so fun

frozen spear
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in current meta probs not anymore tbh

chrome kite
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Why not make the change less severe

jaunty falcon
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I got to experience it for around 2 months

chrome kite
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13 or 12 per arrow

frozen spear
chrome kite
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12 x 7 is 84

frozen spear
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wait wrong server

jaunty falcon
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😳

chrome kite
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Hm

ionic mesa
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We said at the time that they overcompensated, but lol @game devs giving a damn what gamers think.

chrome kite
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Maybe 13 x 7 instead

jaunty falcon
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The special is still good, just more hammer reliant now

frozen spear
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man that really does suck

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eris broken -> nerf duration from 8 to 4s
chiron good -> obliterate it

chrome kite
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80 from 105... 91 doesn't sound like a bad compromise

frozen spear
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sad

frozen spear
jaunty falcon
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😭

chrome kite
frozen spear
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lmao true

jaunty falcon
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Beowulf: is broken

SGG: nerfs charged flight

ionic mesa
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They tried to fix it by making Thunder Flourish trigger fewer times from it and stuff, first, but it wasn't enough.

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They should have kept taking baby steps down until it was fun, but fair, but nope, they just utterly Aphrodite specialty-ed it.

frozen spear
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rip

ionic mesa
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Tell me about Beowulf's bugs.

frozen spear
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tbh I think the main issue with chiron is special frame data

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it's just too clunky imo

chrome kite
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They're beowulf specific and it's ridiculous

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Main one is mirage shot

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Instead of 30% damage on the second cast, it's full damage

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So from 130% to 200%

jaunty falcon
# ionic mesa Tell me about Beowulf's bugs.

Mirage shot is double damage with it, the block angle is a lot more than other shields, weird interactions with selling stuff and cast size changing, trippy flare poms are twice what they should be

frozen spear
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there's this one beo bug where if you equip pos keepsake and FO2 EM2 you instantly teleport to surface with dad dead and a sub7

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super weird

chrome kite
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Lmao

jaunty falcon
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I’ve found it works up to sub 5 too

ionic mesa
frozen spear
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wtf they made special clunky?

ionic mesa
jaunty falcon
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Bow special was apparently unusable before 1.0

chrome kite
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I mean I like that rama and hera are better

jaunty falcon
chrome kite
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But chiron is just sad

ionic mesa
jaunty falcon
chrome kite
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You get poseidon cast for easy mirage shot

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Then instaphase every boss 4 times

ionic mesa
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Lol, Thunder Flare can backstab . . .

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While I keep reading this, what are the mirror choices nowadays?

jaunty falcon
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For heat or speedruns?

ionic mesa
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Heat. Not a speedrunner.

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Ooooh, that Splitting Bolt bug explains a lot . . . Ooof . . .

jaunty falcon
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Fiery/shadow is weapon dependant

CV/DR doesn’t matter since lasting consequences

Stubborn defiance if lasting consequences 4

Rest until family favourites are red

Dark foresight always

Gods pride/legacy is aspect dependant

Fated persuasion

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Also stygian soul can be better than infernal but I like having more casts to work with

ionic mesa
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I remember when Stygian Soul was considered the way to go if your name wasn't Beowulf or Hera. Wonder what changed so much.

jaunty falcon
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I just like the rhythm you get with 3 casts

frozen spear
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stygian's only main purpose these days is to make rush delivery a little more likely

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otherwise infernal is infinitely better for activating boiling

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infernal also opens up lightning rod and an extra free chaos curse

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and naked casts having good base damage means infernal can speed up tartarus by whacking low health stuff

ionic mesa
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I see, I see. Okay. Thanks. Looks like I was on the right track, mostly. Didn't need/get much benefit from Thick Skin very much, so was using High Confidence, but now that I'm getting back in and my heat's getting higher, I definitely get the change. Have been using Gods' Pride all the time. When do I switch that?

frozen spear
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if you need a duo pretty much

jaunty falcon
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When your build really needs a duo boon to do anything

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While also not really caring about the rarity of your cores

frozen spear
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since high heat usually doesn't want a build requiring duo pride is more popular

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but yeah just build specific

ionic mesa
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Like, is there a specific aspect in which I'd need- Oh, okay, so no. Got it. Thanks.

frozen spear
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uh

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chiron?

jaunty falcon
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🤷‍♂️

frozen spear
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arty special is fine at common and heart rend good so you probs want legacy for that

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yeah idk legacy isn't very good at high heat

jaunty falcon
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Maybe on ap1 ri0 pacts

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Reset for epic doom

frozen spear
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steal angel's epic start mod

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pride in shambles

jaunty falcon
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ME still crossed out

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Every build should run legacy and highroll for c3 exclusive access

frozen spear
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exclusive access and sweet nectar should be a mirror perk

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you have to choose between them

chrome kite
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I would simply get c2

jaunty falcon
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True

chrome kite
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Kidding

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But imagine if it was possible to get c2 trial

frozen spear
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thought experiment I think exclusive would almost always be better than sweet nectar right

ionic mesa
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I got decent use out of legacy runs giving me Smoldering Air, ME, Scintillating Feast, or the likes for funsies in low heat, but going forward, favor seems strictly better.

frozen spear
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very poor choice of words

ionic mesa
chrome kite
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Sn affects duo boons so

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That's about it I think

frozen spear
jaunty falcon
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EA def better

frozen spear
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I think EA would be too broken on chaos and hermes to give up

chrome kite
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Exclusive broken

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Frfr

jaunty falcon
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Salty nectar

chrome kite
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Now every speedrun mandates epic rd

frozen spear
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isn't that already the case

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for legal reasons that's a joke

ionic mesa
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If they were mirror perks, yeah, absolutely, Exclusive Access would be busted like crazy.

frozen spear
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this is why pride should go up to +95%

chrome kite
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What if it was like chaos boon and replaced the rare mirror thing

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Chance to be rare or better

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But that includes epic heroic legendary

ionic mesa
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Sweet Nectar's crazy, too, since it's bugged, but literally all boons being epic or better is biiiiiiig yikes.

chrome kite
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How is eury bugged

frozen spear
chrome kite
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It seems a lot more balanced that way

frozen spear
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even if it was like weakest possible favor I think I would still take over DF

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hard to say though

ionic mesa
chrome kite
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Sweet nectar

frozen spear
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sorry homie that's a duo

chrome kite
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Oh

frozen spear
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eury has refreshing nectar I think

chrome kite
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😩

ionic mesa
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Oh, Beowulf loses i-frames when casts are popping out. That explains much.

chrome kite
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Which is sweet

ionic mesa
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That explains . . . so much.

frozen spear
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yeah hence beo being a bottom tier aspect

chrome kite
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Poms?

frozen spear
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r/hades users were right all along

ionic mesa
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Lol, what? We just said that it was god-tier . . .

chrome kite
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Sarcasm

ionic mesa
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Double poms, yes.

frozen spear
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nope that bug is too devastating

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instant death

ionic mesa
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Lol.

frozen spear
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if only charged flight wasn't nerfed

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then beo would still be top tier

ionic mesa
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Yeah, Sweet Nectar is bugged so that, rather than just giving two poms, it gives the lv1 -> lv2 bonus twice.

chrome kite
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What

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I thought it just added +1 level

jaunty falcon
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Just for Pom slices

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Not normal poms

chrome kite
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So miniboss ones for example give 3 instead of 2

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Ah

frozen spear
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pomslice meta

frozen spear
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just the second pom is stronger I believe

chrome kite
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Huh

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Like the levels

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Don't minibosses give +2 levels with their poms

ionic mesa
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Yeah, miniboss poms and 300 obol-cost poms from Charon's Styx shop are two levels, not bugged.

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Sweet Nectar is supposed to add one level to slices, regular poms, and those enhanced poms.

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It does, but rather than just being +1 level at regular scaling (each level having diminishing returns), it gives an extra level with maximized value.

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So, like, if a boon going from lv1 to 2 to 3 by two regular poms would be 60% -> 70% -> 78%, Sweet Nectar will bring it to 80%. If a lv5 to 6 to 7 of that same boon would be 91% -> 96% -> 100% without Sweet Nectar, then if you get Sweet Nectar with it at lv5 and get a pom slice to upgrade it, it'll go from 91% to 106%.

ionic mesa
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Where's that list of hammer priorities? I know that it was around here somewhere.

lone bridge
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it already has a 5:26

jaunty falcon
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Lmao

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True

pseudo kernel
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IT HAS A 5:25 HOW COULD YOU GET THAT WRONG

lone bridge
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omg i forgot again

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i dont think ill ever get that right

lone bridge
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in general,
sword: dedge
spear: flurry>serrated
shield: cshot
bow: twin>triple>flurry>perfect>point blank>explosive
fists: breaching lol
rail: special hammers, preferably rocket and cluster

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but it changes for aspects that cant get specific hammers

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like luci cant get rocket or cluster so it takes triple

pseudo kernel
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serrated point better ngl

lone bridge
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i like how the 2 best spear hammers are the most unsafe ones lol

jaunty falcon
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Exploding launcher!!!

lone bridge
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sorry i forgot about serrated skewer

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wait

pseudo kernel
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chain skewer better

lone bridge
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vicious skewer

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not serrated skewer lol

hexed sapphire
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Speedrun bad

pseudo kernel
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hazard better

lone bridge
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this is in general

hexed sapphire
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I like hazard eris

lone bridge
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delta only good on eris

pseudo kernel
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also did you know that flurry fire also gives iframes when you empty dash

hexed sapphire
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Delta lightning strike is the optimal hestia setup

jaunty falcon
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Seeking fire

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
lone bridge
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it beat 56 heat

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i think it was zyru that did that recently

jaunty falcon
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True

pseudo kernel
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it beat 64 heat

jaunty falcon
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I’m 64 heat

hexed sapphire
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I'm it

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Wait

pseudo kernel
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😳

jaunty falcon
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😳

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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Does rail even have any bad hammers

jaunty falcon
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Explosive fire is bad on eris

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Some of the luci ones suck iirc

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But none are actively bad

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Expect explosive

hexed sapphire
pseudo kernel
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i dont like how seeking fire feels

jaunty falcon
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Yeah

hexed sapphire
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Conc beam and eternal have unmodded triple bomb tech

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Flash fire good

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I guess greater inferno is pretty stinky

jaunty falcon
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Greater conscereoabwocba sucks

pseudo kernel
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fr

jaunty falcon
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🇫🇷

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Wait that’s the Arthur one

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Oops

hexed sapphire
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Bruh

pseudo kernel
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idot

jaunty falcon
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Life of a modded player

pseudo kernel
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m*dded 🤮

jaunty falcon
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What’s mudded

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Btd6 reference?

pseudo kernel
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yeah

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mudded puddles

forest token
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Midded because the game is mid

jaunty falcon
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True

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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And it boosts 2nd hammer triple bomb chance

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Good hammer 👍

pseudo kernel
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eternal is a downgrade since the yoptimal luci build is arty attack

hexed sapphire
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Wtf is yoptimal

lone bridge
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but it still is

hexed sapphire
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i think not reloading is nice enough to make up for it regardless

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
pseudo kernel
lone bridge
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SORRY

hexed sapphire
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beyond deez n

lone bridge
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iagra falls

jaunty falcon
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I already explained yoptimal >:(

hexed sapphire
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it's NIAGARA

hexed sapphire
jaunty falcon
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niagra 😳

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
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niagra rises

lone bridge
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oh it is

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thats kinda wacky ngl

hexed sapphire
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as a new yorker i am very unhappy

jaunty falcon
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Woadur

lone bridge
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wait are those along the new york border?

hexed sapphire
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Bruh

lone bridge
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huh thats interesting

jaunty falcon
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Hades High Heat Strategies

lone bridge
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guys im struggling to beat 8 heat

hexed sapphire
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yeah, strategies from high heat players

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disregarding hades

lone bridge
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and i saw there was a high heat channel

hexed sapphire
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damn that joke doesn't work super well in this channel

lone bridge
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and since im at really high heats atm

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i figured id come here to help

hexed sapphire
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woah you're at 8???

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that's like

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higher than 7

pseudo kernel
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no its not

lone bridge
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yeah ik im really good

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anyways

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i am currently using 4 ranks of routine inspection

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and for some reason its a lot harder

jaunty falcon
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Me neither

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
hexed sapphire
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Try using aspect of gilgamesh

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it's really good

lone bridge
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oh really

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i heard that one was bad

pseudo kernel
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its very good

hexed sapphire
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Yeah

lone bridge
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huh

hexed sapphire
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use it with Distant Memory and Companion Antos

jaunty falcon
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Why

hexed sapphire
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those should easily secure you the win

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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yeah no he sucks

lone bridge
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oh

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
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I’ve got a bigp

lone bridge
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antos seems really nice for minibosses like witches circle

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since you can hit multiple things at once

hexed sapphire
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antos is really good to use on megaera

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that's why battie sucks

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you can't use it on arguably the biggest roadblock

lone bridge
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whats battie

hexed sapphire
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meg's companion

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never unlock it

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it sucks

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
lone bridge
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bigp recommended using megs companion

jaunty falcon
hexed sapphire
jaunty falcon
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Speedcord

lone bridge
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are you respected in speedcord lol

jaunty falcon
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Comparatively, I think so

pseudo kernel
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i dont respect him

jaunty falcon
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:(

lone bridge
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teddy?

jaunty falcon
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Low bar

hexed sapphire
jaunty falcon
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Compared to other servers

hexed sapphire
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like if you hate @jaunty falcon

lone bridge
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oh

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makes sense

jaunty falcon
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brigading 😭

lone bridge
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like if you hate @lone bridge

clever otter
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lets cut this out, even if its a joke

hexed sapphire
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i thought about all aspects 53 for a moment and then remembered there are 4 fists aspects

lone bridge
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lol yeah

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time to zap

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i still cant believe luci hasnt cleared 60 tbh

hexed sapphire
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you do it

lone bridge
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i think its tied with arthur atm bouldy

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
hexed sapphire
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technically eris hasn't cleared 60 (unseeded) either

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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i'm cheating

lone bridge
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thats so sad

jaunty falcon
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wotthehell

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
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angel beat 60 heat luci but it was a savestate

hexed sapphire
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slorry to dissapoint.

jaunty falcon
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I cheat my 50 heat runs

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Especially guan yu

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Y’all believed that was unseeded 😂

lone bridge
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i still cant believe you cleared all aspect 50 2 months after you started playing

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how can you stand playing so much hades

hexed sapphire
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3

lone bridge
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this gane sucks

jaunty falcon
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July 29 right

hexed sapphire
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june

jaunty falcon
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O

pseudo kernel
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the power of the "speedrunning modpack"

lone bridge
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june

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making it 2 months

jaunty falcon
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Lmao tree got hades before you

hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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yeah i get that

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sometimes when i plq on cg9m it just makes me want to stop playing

jaunty falcon
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What are these words

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Magic man

pseudo kernel
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otr firo9 en2 dg5

jaunty falcon
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2tcabr

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
jaunty falcon
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It me

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
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I’ve not even beat farewell yet wtf

frozen spear
jaunty falcon
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What tower

lone bridge
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also wtf even is the build for gilga ap2 ri

jaunty falcon
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Splash

hexed sapphire
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dashes and pray

pseudo kernel
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ME

lone bridge
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bruh

jaunty falcon
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Middle distance

lone bridge
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medical doctor

pseudo kernel
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merciful dend

hexed sapphire
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moab damage

pseudo kernel
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mart donkey

jaunty falcon
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True

lone bridge
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myocardial disassemblage

hexed sapphire
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munshakable dmettle

frozen spear
hexed sapphire
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Idk man as somebody with around 23 50 heat runs under my belt I will literally always pick curse of longing over pretty much any duo boon

lone bridge
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23?

hexed sapphire
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i only have zagbow 51

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not 50

lone bridge
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oh yeah lmao

pseudo kernel
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F

lone bridge
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wait

pseudo kernel
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gotta get a new file for all aspects 50 heat

lone bridge
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so you dont have all aspects 50

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you only have all aspects 51

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wait

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thats not how that works

pseudo kernel
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that means i have all aspects 51

hexed sapphire
# lone bridge you only have all aspects 51

unfortunately i am missing zag sword, nemesis, poseidon, arthur, zagspear, achilles, hades, guan yu, zagshield, chaos, zeus, beowulf, chiron, hera, rama, zagfists, talos, demeter, gilgamesh, zagrail, eris, lucifer

lone bridge
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hestia????

hexed sapphire
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56 counts as 51 right

lone bridge
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no

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thate why you dont have all aspects 50

hexed sapphire
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how is heat wr for zagsword higher than pos

pseudo kernel
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Pos sucks

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Harder to keep boiling blood

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And 15% attack and movement speed broken

mossy zinc
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Cast builds that aren't Beowulf don't like high heat.

lone bridge
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yeah no boiling blood sucks

hexed sapphire
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isnt the strat already flat damage soup though

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unless every chamber is c1

lone bridge
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is it fds?

hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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its either fds or ME lol

hexed sapphire
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it's high heat

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ME is hopeless

lone bridge
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since no boiling

jaunty falcon
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Drunken strike

mossy zinc
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Not a lot of people interested in pushing Poseidon high heat.

honest charm
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that's how

chrome kite
ionic mesa
ionic mesa
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Holy rabies, the above comments are so littered with typos and intentional misspellings that it's like watching a stroke in action. xD

jaunty falcon
# ionic mesa Why's that?

Static discharge is a key part of your DPS in the optimal eris build, explosive fire makes enemies stunned. You want enemies to attack with static discharge so explosive fire is bad

ionic mesa
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Rumply brain energy, right there.

lone bridge
ionic mesa
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And with the acronyms thrown in, you know.

lone bridge
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oh yeah i was on my phone at that time

pseudo kernel
timber pike
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I haven't played in a while, what aspect should I try running for a 2nd 32 heat win

chrome kite
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Beo/eris ez

timber pike
pseudo kernel
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do lvl 1 guan yu

chrome kite
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do delta chamber hestia

timber pike
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I actually was trying with beo and came close multiple times before

timber pike
pseudo kernel
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you shoot in burst with infinite ammo

timber pike
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is that one of the hammers

pseudo kernel
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yeah

timber pike
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what god keepsakes should I take

pseudo kernel
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what aspect are you using

timber pike
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hestia

pseudo kernel
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for 32 heat you could do poseidon start for his dash

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or just do aphro start for her attack

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after that you can do athena if you wanna be safe

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or zeus for smoldering air

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then in ely either tooth or acorn

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and in styx do acorn

timber pike
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triple bomb, ricochet fire, or targeting system?

pseudo kernel
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ricochet

timber pike
# pseudo kernel ricochet

I got Zeus, do I take his special, cast, revenge boon, or try to get something else? it probably doesnt matter much. I dont have an attack boon yet though

pseudo kernel
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revenge

timber pike
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it was probably a bad idea to jump in with hestia

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then again I'd probably be rusty either way

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died to td

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I'm going to do demeter fists since i almost won with that

lilac garden
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As satisfying as the fists feel to hit with, I resent them

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I have won the least runs with them

pseudo kernel
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fists worst weapon ngl

lilac garden
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Yea

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Rama aspect goated

hexed sapphire
waxen relic
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@lone bridge Since i saw you surprised: In the tab "All Mods" of the modded Spreadsheet all Mods are allowed. Just write down what you used. If it's needed we can always separate specific Mods/Modpacks to other packs. So far nobody submitted JS64 and similar stuff tho.

lone bridge
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ah ok thanks

frozen spear
waxen relic
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Ye you can, if you want. Just list what you modded.

hexed sapphire
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Ooo i should sub lightning strike 56

nocturne stag
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Shout-out to the exactly two 32 heat runs I've done. One died in tart and the other was a victory

forest token
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Based

nocturne stag
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Power of "Did I get heartbreak strike on Arthur". I think. I don't remember the failed run well, only that something went really wrong at some point

mossy zinc
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Probably the dying part.

nocturne stag
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True.

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Actually I think dying helped

dapper schooner
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how long did that take

lone bridge
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like 50m igt lol

neat sonnet
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power move

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now do DC64 with JS64

chrome kite
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What's the bp where they add another level of dc

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Watch as you run into a room of dc64 splitters

mossy zinc
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Savior.

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Imagine Savior before they added the current cap on it. dusa

lone bridge
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theres a cap now?

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i swear ive seen stuff with like 6+ hearts

chrome kite
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Support fire becomes necessary just to get rid of the hearts

hexed sapphire
ashen garnet
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Honestly the real deal would be to run BP9 and force armored mobs everywhere thanthink

pseudo kernel
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I wish bp2 could do 2 of the same perk

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Would be fun

lone bridge
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bruiser^2

waxen relic
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Damage x4 banne

lone bridge
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imagine hl35 lmaoooo

chrome kite
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Cloner²

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Congrats, now your entire screen is filled with witch projectiles

frozen spear
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cloner^2 + chaos caustic

lone bridge
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oh god

neat sonnet
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🤢

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imagine

fluid badge
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have any of you high heat players ever needed the bathroom, or needed a drop of water or juice to drink and just walked away from styx or Elysium with 8 or 12 minutes to go. Just having that level of non-attachment

forest token
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i've never done that, but it's probably not uncommon to do that, just finish the encounter, pause, do whatever, and then resume

fluid badge
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pausing?? that would surely crumple or interrupt your flow. need to restart really after bathroom

forest token
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probably, but if you gotta go use the bathroom then you gotta go lol

shy plinth
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I do not understand

fluid badge
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also you need to think about real time RTA even if it's not an official thing to go on speedrun.com. just for aesthetics which at the back of your mind you think kinda matters

forest token
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if you're doing an rta run then you just hold it until you're done lmao

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and i'm pretty sure for some rta rules they allow some breaks

mossy zinc
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I don't care for my RTA or my IGT in high heat lol.

lone bridge
fluid badge
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but hence the query.. holding it means you're attached to the run. are there those who view non attachment as a rule rather than excpoetion : D

lone bridge
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i mean it takes like half a room to get back into it

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and also yeah the only reason id care for rta is if i was uploading it to yt for the 0.3 people that will see it

mossy zinc
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I just pause when I need to go do something.

lone bridge
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yeah same

mossy zinc
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Plus, you'll play worse when you're distracted because you need to go to the bathroom or something anyway.

lone bridge
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that is also true

fluid badge
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not exactly the same (ermm not really much at all when goin for super duper high heat but bear with me) there are some sm64 speedrunners who talk about walking away from the 100 coin star in rainbow ride while waiting on the carpet IF they needed to do something like quench their thirst... if the run dies.. it dies. NOT ATTACHED

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btw none of them did it

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i mean on 120 speedrun btw

lone bridge
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yeah i mean i dont really get what youre saying

fluid badge
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they talk a big talk... 120 star run on PB pace or we pace even. on the carpet with... whatever it is.. 114 stars but you need a pi$$ or you must quench your thirst.. or need to check wikipedia for a factoid you must know the answer to right then... walk away from the run cuz... it ain't special and not attached buddy boyo

lone bridge
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i doubt any runner just abandons a run that is on pb pace when they are right at the end but idk

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besides, for hades its different since rta doesnt matter

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unless youre running for rta ofc

forest token
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but depending on the rta run you also get a break eventually

fluid badge
mossy zinc
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Why you getting so worked up about what other people do with their time.

fluid badge
shy plinth
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This does not make a lot of sense but to be fair I am sober rn

mossy zinc
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Well, good luck with that.

lone bridge
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ok so each of the words you are typing make sense individually

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but then you string them together and my brain just breaks

fluid badge
# shy plinth This does not make a lot of sense but to be fair I am sober rn

they only go through this sort of thing at end of the textbooks (that are rather a new thing really)... it's rather dry. but some die hards take a strong stance toward aesthetic value. heard one "egg-head" describe controller smashing after 1000 restarts as a form of aesthetics too but many disagree... and to be perfectly frank so do i

forest token
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there's a textbook on speedrunning?

lone bridge
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what???

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i just

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the meaning behind these words is impossible to decipher

mossy zinc
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This reads like low-effort trolling at this point.

lone bridge
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yeah

shy plinth
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Oh my message was not ironic

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Seems like a bunch of thoughts that would make sense through an altered lens

lone bridge
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yeah lmao

fluid badge
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yes the bare bones was sorted a while back. the theorist are generally trying to standardize and systmatize the whole thing for the generations to come. Gen Z won't have to watch summoning salt or mario twitch streamers to become informed (not necessarily). they will have perhaps a textbook 101 on their book shelf at hands reach for reference

forest token
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From what I understand it's like, players would rather have a whole run look nice from start to finish rather than stopping midway and having a large gap?

shy plinth
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From what I understand

forest token
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Lmfao

fluid badge
lone bridge
shy plinth
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The words you are saying are not formed sentences or cohesive thoughts

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If you think this is a high level conversation being shut out, that is not what is happening

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You have a bunch of confusing half-thoughts

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It sounds like you have a bunch of ideas fueled by... something relating to some kind of large scale philosophy

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I'm sure they're interesting but none of us can make heads or tails of whatever tf you're talking about

lone bridge
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it also doesnt help that you arent forming any complete sentences

fluid badge
# shy plinth The words you are saying are not formed sentences or cohesive thoughts

well... at the risk of sounding terse (and getting the ban hammer) it is a technical or let's say an esoteric subject. i myself sometimes wonder what those nerds are going on about while they research the latest material to go in the textbooks. Imagine a mathematician talking about Clifford algebra to a general audience without explanining anything... it would sound.. not very cohesive.. rambling.. even nonsense. Just like when I talk about the art of dropping a deuce at star 114 in sm64.. it doesn't sound right to the layman

shy plinth
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Again if there is some belief that this is too high-brow for people to process I can correct that belief

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You aren't making any sense because the words you are typing are not complete sentences

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There's no context to whatever it is you're talking about, we don't know what textbooks you mean, we don't know what nerds you are talking about

lone bridge
mossy zinc
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This got nothing to do with actual philosophy studies, or high heat, or really Hades at this point.

shy plinth
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It's like trying to understand something by listening to someone else talking on the phone

chrome kite
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So like

shy plinth
lone bridge
shy plinth
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No I saw that

chrome kite
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Yeah, plenty of people, even the absolute best, will pause mid run and just do other crap

lone bridge
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good luck figuring out what it means

shy plinth
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We've moved past the "run attachment" to talk about eggheads and textbooks now

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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Cocaine is powerful

fluid badge
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sorry, I am kinda quick firing info and fact bites. shooting from hip as it were. The whole well worded "official" doctrines are about... if you give me a bit of time I can get the chapter #s for you to study formally and properly... so I concede that in a way

lone bridge
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and what is an egghead??

shy plinth
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Official doctrines?

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Seriously dude

lone bridge
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dude

shy plinth
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Whatever is going on in your head is not reflected in the world

lone bridge
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you need to stop being high

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lmao

forest token
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Also chapter numbers don't mean crap if we don't know what textbook you're talking about lmao

shy plinth
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I mean go ahead and get chapter numbers, cite your references

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Would love to have any idea of what the f this is

lone bridge
forest token
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Yooooo

shy plinth
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Yeah we're pretty differential at this point lol

fluid badge
# shy plinth Seriously dude

yup. I told you these guys really get serious about theoretical min max art running with timed aspects and their various sub disciplines. they just want to formalize the whole thing like nerds do

shy plinth
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I know you think I'm acknowledging understanding

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But I'm actually explicitly stating that I don't understand

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I cannot emphasize that enough

forest token
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Take a few shots lmao

lone bridge
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this has to be the most high ive seen someone over text

shy plinth
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I do not have the ability to get this messed up and still type

lone bridge
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yeah thats damn impressive

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not a single typo

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just none of it makes sense

shy plinth
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I hope it's siri

fluid badge
shy plinth
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Okay we need to zoom out

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You aren't expressing any concepts

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You're flitting back and forth between conceding runs early as a form of demonstrative expertise and the idea of formalized philosophy of speedrunning as some kind of cohesive educational material

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None of these things are things

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You're not finishing thoughts or sentences

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You're also citing official doctrines and chapter numbers to materials that do not exist

chrome kite
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I like speedrun because go fast nyoom

lone bridge
shy plinth
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Oh gosh

lone bridge
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ok lets start by just asking some basic questions

chrome kite
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No no, you got the wrong one

chrome kite
lone bridge
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what are the "textbooks"?

chrome kite
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Scientology >>> mormonism

shy plinth
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If there's a link to a textbook it should def be posted

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Gotta get my studying going

lone bridge
chrome kite
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LMAO

fluid badge
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Well one question that's posed among the "101" workshops the theorists like to run is would speedrunning as an art exist if there were no speedrunners. And another: is there, somewhere, in ap ossible world a "perfect" speedrun. Like Plato's theory of forms, can we say the same for speedruns. Or should we look to Aristotle instead for classifying. Is the latest Leisure Suit Larry low% run a thing in itself

shy plinth
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I am honestly impressed at the gap between the physical and cognitive functions here

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We even have capitalization and punctuation

shy plinth
lone bridge
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speedrunners minus runners is (speed-1)runners

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and if you set that equal to pb you get this doesnt make any sense

chrome kite
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You forgot to take the derivative of rta

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Minus the sum of tas squared

lone bridge
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how fascinating

chrome kite
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🧠

fluid badge
# lone bridge speedrunners minus runners is (speed-1)runners

and now factor in TAS runs and also consider a redditor bragging about his quick plat on the latest triple A game. now consider a serious runner setting a PB in the 100% category in alex kid in miracle world sega master system category. When.. oh when... between these two sides does something properly called a speedrun exist? In fact, some like to call speedrunning "electronic kinesis" instead as a catch all similar to biological term except kinesis this time refers pixils, computer memory, dark basements, maybe even sweat lords cursing God.

forest token
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buddy what time is it for you rn

graceful grove
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Tf is this chat

forest token
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normally it's high heat stuff but now idk what this guy is on

lone bridge
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my guess is weed

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lots of it

graceful grove
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I've been reading and laughing my ass off

lone bridge
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same

forest token
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can we make one of them a copy pasta

lone bridge
warped thorn
fluid badge
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well, i'm working on something releated and this is "breaktime" so to say. We speedrunners and those involved at all levels in the art jest that "morning" and "evening" are terms for those wageslaving on non-speedrunning activities

fluid badge
forest token
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speedrunning discord

lone bridge
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yeah theres that

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im sure theyd be glad to talk about this

fluid badge
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i do get it's like invading a sports forum and then talking about tactics or even physics and can send some (through no fvault of their own) for a loop or maybe find it disstateful

forest token
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for sure

shy plinth
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Other than that it could be interesting

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I'll stop now since mod asked

warped thorn
chrome kite
fluid badge
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quick story: i once asked got in a disagreement with a mod on Amiga 500's Fire And Ice and asked about sub forums on technical Amiga 500 speedrunning and he referred me elsewhere and called me... im being serious here a troll or a prankster(!). adawdling flaneur spreading tom foolery for no reasons

lone bridge
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thats more speedrunning focused than this server

forest token
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i'm sure the more experienced players in the speedrunning community there would be more knowledgeable in this subject

fluid badge
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OK, im researching a bit on Todd Rodger's early life for hopefully upcoming book length expose and I'm told if lucky may be allowed to contribute to one of the appendix items if get my research fully professionally laid out

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so i won't ramble for too much more, got to hit the books etc and earn my keep

neat sonnet
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i know we said high heat folks but this is a little too high

chrome kite
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Don't worry, it's still high heat

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Mans is baked as a pie

fluid badge
# chrome kite Mans is baked as a pie

IS that an in joke in the Chef Game and Watch community? I'm sensing is a play on words for a speedrunning category for the Game and Watch version

chrome kite
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No, it's an in joke for anyone who knows that baked is another way to say high

fluid badge
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Ah I see. well you know speedrunners and their memes and lingo. I guess a similar joke could be made from the Pacman eating all the pills in the 100% category

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i will stop typing too much now, promise. despite all of that i meant to say that i'm still struggling with heat 50 hestia. and errmm got sidetracked on a digression.. shooting the breeze

chrome kite
fluid badge
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but what was whats his name on to make friends with a rock he pushed up a hill (bouldy). now that is a bit funny.. a bit loopy.. even

frozen spear
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yo what's going on in here

forest token
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good question

shy plinth
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Don't engage

fluid badge
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we were discussing essentially whether speedrunning is an occupation/career/passion or a pastime because very different world views clash depedning on the answer... won't say more cuz i can almost feel the ban hammer risining

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*rising

frozen spear
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it's an addiction and @lone bridge is an addict

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or equivalently it's an abduction and @lone bridge is suffering from stockholm syndrome

fluid badge
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textbook definition of addict?

shy plinth
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Well which textbook

fluid badge
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indeed

static plover
fluid badge
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sorry boss. i will muse over there if needs be

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when talking about this highly serious matter : P

frozen spear
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all this is proof that speedrunning sucks

forest token
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high heat > speedrunning

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ap2 gaming

frozen spear
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based

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not based

fluid badge
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some consider it merely a sub set of art gam.... nope i no longer wax philosophical in the high heat section

frozen spear
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what

forest token
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yep

frozen spear
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wacko

jaunty falcon
twilit mirage
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Is there a best shield for high heat?

jaunty falcon
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They’re all really good

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Beowulf is probably best for medium-high heat (32-50) but after that it gets a lot easier to build off charged shot alone

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And Zeus with Zeus special is really good too but is hard to use

shy plinth
jaunty falcon
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Chaos has a 61 heat clear

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Modded

shy plinth
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That's angel1c

jaunty falcon
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Beowulf actually has the lowest heat wr

shy plinth
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Lol that kinda makes sense but seems goofy when you say it out loud

twilit mirage
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Modded how?

jaunty falcon
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It’s a speedrunning modpack that is used to reduce the toxic rng found in hades

shy plinth
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There's a mod that streamlines the speedrunning/heat pushing experience for people that do a ton of runs

jaunty falcon
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Such as the sack mechanic

shy plinth
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"Toxic" is a bit of a stretch

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But it limits variance

jaunty falcon
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Yeah true

shy plinth
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When you're doing a bunch of runs you don't want to have everything undone by tiny vermin 5 sacks or barges

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So at this point in the game's lifecycle the people that want to optimize mechanical execution after multiple years of playing decided to add a modpack that allows runners to play with a bit less repetition

twilit mirage
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What’s tiny vermin 5 sacks or barges?

shy plinth
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Uh

jaunty falcon
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Tiny vermin is a styx miniboss

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Barge is the barge of death in asphodel

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5 sack is when you find the satyr sack in the very last styx tunnel

twilit mirage
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Why ‘5 sack’?

jaunty falcon
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It’s the 5th tunnel you’ll find it in

shy plinth
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There are 5 tunnels in styx that you have to go in to find the sack

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It can't happen on first tunnel

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So you either get it on 2nd 3rd 4th 5th

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2 sack 3 sack 4 sack 5 sack

twilit mirage
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Oh that’s really bad luck huh

shy plinth
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A tiny vermin 5 sack is the longest possible time you can spend

jaunty falcon
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Yeah it’s only 2-3% to get a 5 sack

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A little over 50% for a 2 sack

shy plinth
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I'm not sure if you've run into these things - if you're new to the game I strongly recommend just playing to experience the game as it comes

frozen spear
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*rofxic

shy plinth
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You're more than welcome to chat in here of course, but keep in mind a lot of people in here have been playing for years so it'll get pretty spoilery and pretty dense with vernacular

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I'm not a speedrunner but I think roguelikes having variance is p important

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But that's neither here nor there

mossy zinc
shy plinth
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I'll trust you

fluid badge
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are you guys still debating technical ponders on speedruns like if a speedrun makes no sound in the forest, does it make any sounds?

shy plinth
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Nobody was debating that at any point

fluid badge
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you're quite right Mr or Ms Hat. but i saw lots of text and i dare say they started getting a bit too close to the philosophical kind but urges were kept in check i guess

nocturne stag
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You can check pronouns by clicking the user icon, there's roles for that

fluid badge
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i did not know that Mr 728. And it has cleared up my ambiguity regarding who I am now aware would be a Mr Hat I suppose

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and this is now where I take my leave for the time being, for this is enough "horse play" as it is

jaunty falcon
cursive portal
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beowulf worst shield bouldy

lone bridge
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bruh what

cursive portal
cursive portal
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yeah

lone bridge
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well at least your thoughts are more coherent now

jaunty falcon
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idk man

lone bridge
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as someone

cursive portal
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just

lone bridge
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what is your "other inquisitive persona"?

cursive portal
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kinda like plurality?

dapper schooner
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i thought that beo has good block

quartz mantle
cursive portal
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explosive return helps a lot for stunning enemies/killing low hp enemies in pretty much every biome

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it has a big area of effect

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its very useful

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my 60 unmodded zeus shield only had ferocious guard and still won

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but I still think explosive is better

jaunty falcon
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minotaur kinda sucks

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breaching too unless you have cshot

lone bridge
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another useful thing about explosive return is that it counts as special damage

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so it procs zeus special

cursive portal
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Wait really

quartz mantle
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Angel you can’t be serious

lone bridge
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angel

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oh oops

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sorry bot

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please tell me youre joking

cursive portal
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I am not joking

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This is new to me

chrome kite
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Well if cshot can trigger attack boons I don't see why another hammer couldn't do the same

dapper schooner
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I never knew this

ashen garnet
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angel moment dusa friendly

jaunty falcon
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BigP🤝angel

ashen garnet
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A """few""" days of grinding for the right persons, somehow

jaunty falcon
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Well not really

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Zeus special was already used

frozen spear
cursive portal
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Im not playing 64 anymore just fyibouldy

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Too frustrating

frozen spear
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have you considered DC3 instead of CP2

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should help vs bosses

dapper schooner
forest token
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dc64 should be an easy clear

pseudo kernel
mossy zinc
cursive portal
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there are of them I agree

mossy zinc
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lmao

cursive portal
daring hedge
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solidarity

mossy zinc
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lmao

solemn pulsar
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Is that the famous Tail “Sturdy Damage Reduction Not Knower” Esque????

forest token
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omg what an honor

honest charm
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Tailesque

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good at spear

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does barrel rolls

mossy zinc
lone bridge
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stimulants likely wouldnt make a difference as speedrunning doesnt require any amount of physical strength

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just precision

forest token
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oh god not again

shy plinth
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Do you have any personal experience here or is it speculative

forest token
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taking meth to speedrun better was not a take i expected to see here

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or at all tbh

shy plinth
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Either way I would bet the mods probs want this to be in a diff channel or diff discord

forest token
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yeah lmao

shy plinth
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I would prefer a double edge

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At least on Arthur

forest token
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same

lone bridge
frozen spear
shy plinth
lone bridge
shy plinth
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Now you're talkin

forest token
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why do you keep insisting talking about drugs

lone bridge
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god this is so funny

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every single message you send makes me laugh

static plover
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@fluid badge please stop talking about drugs, it has nothing to do with this channel and goes against both rules 2 and 3 of the server, Keep it clean and Stay on topic which you can find in #readme-first which I implore that you read in full

frozen spear
lone bridge
frozen spear
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all the homies hate speedrunning

lone bridge
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:(

forest token
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i speedrun and i agree that it's cringe

lone bridge
frozen spear
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let's goooo

shy plinth
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I don't speedrun, I play ccgs

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Might be worse

forest token
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lmao tbh i enjoyed high heat more than speedrunnning

lone bridge
forest token
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counter crike

shy plinth
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Digital collectible card games

lone bridge
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ah i see

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like magic?

shy plinth
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Yeah, hearthstone mostly

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But this is not hades talk

lone bridge
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true

shy plinth
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Just reassuring that I am a diff kind of degen

lone bridge
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you know

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i kinda feel like putting in a single luci 53 attempt rn

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wish me luck

forest token
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just get the boons

lone bridge
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ok im doing ri2 ap1 for 52 instead

forest token
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what about dc?

lone bridge
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dc2 obv

forest token
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aight just making sure

lone bridge
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rip died c4

forest token
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based

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should've not died imo

lone bridge
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alright well

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thats the single attempt

forest token
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what about a single attempt at 50

lone bridge
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this is why ri2 tart unironically sucks

lone bridge
forest token
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