#h1-high-heat-strategies

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frozen spear
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also I like how you basically ended up doing high heat fist play

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following cast and rolling dstrikeupper

lone bridge
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oh yeah

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thats the only cool part of fists imo

frozen spear
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facts

lone bridge
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man i really want someone to tas this now

frozen spear
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same

lone bridge
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sadly hades doesnt have tasing tools

forest token
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i mean after a certain point you can't get any faster can you

frozen spear
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well it's hard to be mechanically perfect for all the aspects

lone bridge
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yeah

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even with input buffers

forest token
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that's why i said at a certain point

frozen spear
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some seem to be improvable via pixel perfection

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like arthur

lone bridge
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yeah arthur is actually better if pixel perfect

forest token
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records are gonna be determined by 0.001 of a second at some point

lone bridge
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same for zag bow

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actually idk if zag bow need pixel perfect

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but it needs frame perfect second release

frozen spear
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that's right

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the thing about zbow is idk how starting position affects it

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obviously dash has to be directly towards skelly

lone bridge
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yeah for sure

frozen spear
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actually mathematically starting distance shouldn't matter

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since both arrows are in same direction

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as long as dash brings you strictly closer

lone bridge
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whats the worst aspect for this lol

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chiron?

frozen spear
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good question

forest token
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zag fist would be pretty bad i think

lone bridge
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chiron is really bad lol

frozen spear
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zfist is a good one

lone bridge
frozen spear
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oh zrail is awful

lone bridge
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zag fists is better than chiron lol

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because you can do dstrike dupper

lone bridge
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zag sword lol

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zrail prob better than zsword

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zrail surprisingly not bad actually

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i think its faster than hades spear

frozen spear
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chiron is hard

lone bridge
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chiron is just dash strikes lol

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the special is actually slower lmao

frozen spear
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hm

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does that really beat cast into point blank specials

lone bridge
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i think so

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zag bow has better point blank specials than chiron lol

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so whats our ranking rn?

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dem, luci, zag bow, hesty?

frozen spear
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wait skelly has 900 right

lone bridge
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yeah

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why

frozen spear
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I'm trying to figure out chiron

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if you hit 3 full backstab specials you do 792 damage

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900 - cast 112 = 788

lone bridge
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ooh

frozen spear
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but the problem is I'm having a hard time getting a full backstab special

lone bridge
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that might mean chiron is better than zag bow for special zpam because it has better frame data

frozen spear
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wait I got one

lone bridge
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hm isnt working for me

frozen spear
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yeah this one is extremely precise

lone bridge
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how are your backstab specials doing so much?

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mine do 234

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actually wait 229

frozen spear
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see it fluctuates

lone bridge
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wtf

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how?

forest token
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i got 246

lone bridge
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its just 10 damage/arrow

frozen spear
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backstabs are inconsistent

lone bridge
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how is it fluctuating

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bruh

forest token
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try standing where he spawns?

frozen spear
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but I finally got a decent run

lone bridge
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hm lets see it

forest token
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very cool i got 258 chiron back stab but i dont have anything to record it with lol

frozen spear
lone bridge
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damn

frozen spear
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improvable for sure but just getting three full backstab specials is hard enough

lone bridge
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really bad aspect still but interesting

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im not convinced thats better than just dash striking though

frozen spear
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zshield seems insanely hard to optimize

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all the shields actually

lone bridge
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yeah true bc of the kb

frozen spear
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poor chiron

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also imagine trying to optimize nem lmaooooo

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pure rng

lone bridge
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bruh

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sounds awful

frozen spear
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but yeah your list looks good

lone bridge
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im surprised dem actually topped the list

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im really glad its not luci

frozen spear
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big special

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lucy's kinda cheating yep

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wait dem is also cheating in the same way

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special storage

lone bridge
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oh true lol

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dem seems more acceptable though

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idk why

frozen spear
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affirmative action

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throw the poor fists a bone

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I just realized we spammed high heat channel with this garbage

lone bridge
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oh

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oops

frozen spear
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yes very competitive discussion

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this will surely help angel

lone bridge
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i mean tbf this is just the "good players mess around with hades" channel

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it includes speedrunning half the time lol

frozen spear
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yeah but neither of us is good

lone bridge
lone bridge
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this is speedrunning

frozen spear
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skelly% let's goooo

lone bridge
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woah wtf

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rama can kill in a single standing strike

frozen spear
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with cast?

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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and ss I assume

lone bridge
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yeah

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its actually pretty fast bc of it

frozen spear
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oh god I just thought of something

lone bridge
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what

frozen spear
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you know how rama special ricochets

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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that might be part of the optimization

lone bridge
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omg

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youre right

frozen spear
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jesus

lone bridge
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you can start the standing strike sooner

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thats amazing

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bc they can actually ricochet across the room

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it includes a lot of rng though

frozen spear
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and it can even ricochet off the weapons

lone bridge
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guan yu optimization doesnt include special at all lmao

frozen spear
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yeah that makes sense

lone bridge
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i think standing strikes are better than dstrikes for all the spears actually

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weird

frozen spear
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gy might be spin

lone bridge
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oh shoot spin

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completely forgot

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yeah its def spin

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in fact you actually charge spin before skelly spawns

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then cast

frozen spear
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indeed

lone bridge
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gy pretty fast actually

frozen spear
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wow it is

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and it has a tas amount of possible optimization

lone bridge
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yeah

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yo i just got an insanely fast nem run but wasnt recording

frozen spear
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since you want the spin to hit as much as possible but also start far enough that more of it is affected by boiling

lone bridge
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another pixel perfect optimized aspect

frozen spear
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thankfully I don't think two spins is viable

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doesn't last long enough

lone bridge
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yeah its not

frozen spear
lone bridge
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bruh

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anyway nem is more consistent than i thought but 3 crits would be trememndously helpful

frozen spear
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how many crits in a row do you need

lone bridge
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3 i think

frozen spear
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shame

lone bridge
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more consistent then zag bow lol

frozen spear
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barely

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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god why is this so interesting

lone bridge
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idk

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it actually is though

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and im getting super fast nem kills btw

frozen spear
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skelly is really enjoying all this speedkilling since he gets off on dying

lone bridge
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true

frozen spear
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how fast apprx?

lone bridge
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idk like gy speed

frozen spear
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nice

lone bridge
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ok not gy speed

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but slightly slower

frozen spear
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still nice

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zsword must be pretty brutally slow huh

lone bridge
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yeah

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wait

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chaos might actually be slowest aspect

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lmao

frozen spear
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sad but expected

lone bridge
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chaos is better than zag fists actually

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point blank specials are the play

frozen spear
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huh rolling upper not enough to save it

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any chance of pushing skelly into wall or nah

lone bridge
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nah

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you just go for bullrush specials

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its actually not too bad tbh

frozen spear
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so you think zfists is worst?

lone bridge
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yeah atm

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maybe sword

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or zspear actually

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these are all actually faster than expected though

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wed need tas comparisons to tell tbh

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i def think we have top 4 though

frozen spear
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fists has some weird tech

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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like I think dupper -> upper might be a good tactic

lone bridge
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fists is def the techiest of the weapons i feel like

lone bridge
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oh wow better than expected

frozen spear
lone bridge
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im doing some wacky stuff with gy

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incorporating specials into the flurry essentially

frozen spear
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I like that

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big base damage

lone bridge
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its weird

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ok so

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spin + 2 dash strikes + special with cast as first hit is over 900

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its very fast

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faster than 2 standing strikes

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really hard to time though

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this could be super optimized with tas

frozen spear
lone bridge
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back

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went to take a shower

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my hades skill has decreased by 50% though

lone bridge
lone bridge
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what is that combo

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dash strike + standing strike?

frozen spear
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frankly I'm not sure, I just kinda spammed buttons

lone bridge
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nice lmao

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also btw

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pos sword is slower than zag sword

frozen spear
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what

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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@hexed sapphire thoughts?

lone bridge
frozen spear
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that is so embarrassing

lone bridge
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yeah lmao

frozen spear
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also go to bed it's 3:30

lone bridge
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oh youre right

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wait dont you also live in est

frozen spear
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nope PST

lone bridge
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ohhh

frozen spear
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one more thing should I post my 53 heat dad cheese vid

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on r/hades

lone bridge
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yes lmao

frozen spear
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as zshield propaganda

lone bridge
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get cheating accusations

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anyways i want to keep doing skelly% runs

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yo wait fastest nem doesnt need 3 crits

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it only needs 2

frozen spear
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epic breakpoint calcs

lone bridge
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you do cast -> special -> dash strike x2 -> standing strike

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only 2 need to crit

frozen spear
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I wonder if pre special could be viable

lone bridge
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ohh maybe

frozen spear
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it's pretty snappy though so hard to say

lone bridge
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then just do cast -> dash strike x2 -> standing strike

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and all 3 crit

frozen spear
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good point

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god I just went to r/hades by accident

lone bridge
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lmaooo

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i do that all the time

frozen spear
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it's some sort of weird death subreddit

lone bridge
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yeah

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it seems cultish

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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REALLY

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god i hate poseidon so much

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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join the skelly% gang

frozen spear
hexed sapphire
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u/RandyZ524 back from the dead

frozen spear
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don't look at my older posts

hexed sapphire
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oh wait it's been back from the dead

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wtf stop using reddity

frozen spear
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@lone bridge god you're gonna get downvoted so hard

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10/10 pasta though

lone bridge
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i dont care about my reddit karma

frozen spear
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based

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now go to bed

lone bridge
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fine

frozen spear
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no more skelly% today

lone bridge
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hopefully this post gets noticed

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i should make some alt accounts to argue in my favor if anyone gets baited by that lmao

frozen spear
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r!ce @frozen spear

lone bridge
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wrong server

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there you go

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also wtf red hyper sprint

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imagine if you got rd lol

frozen spear
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I saved 3 keys for styx tunnel hermes

lone bridge
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nice lmao

frozen spear
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thought I lucked out with +3 dashes but turns out it didn't even help

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zshield just doesn't dash vs bosses so even RD would've been kinda useless

lone bridge
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yeah dashing would still improve it i think though lol

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itd be less safe

frozen spear
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much less safe

lone bridge
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but mor dam

frozen spear
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I like playing it safe vs dad with zshield so I probably would've opted to not put RD into effect

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so I guess I was really rolling for swift strike

lone bridge
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fair enough

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anyways ive upvoted the post

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hopefully some people see it

hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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what

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i posted a link bouldy

frozen spear
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lmaoooooo

lone bridge
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nice one dyno

frozen spear
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even dyno wants you to go to bed

hexed sapphire
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@frozen spear you type so differently on reddit

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it's kinda weird

lone bridge
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it told me i was swearing bouldy

frozen spear
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idk I've always maintained that codeswitching subconsciously

lone bridge
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NO

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DELETE THE THING THAT SAID IT WAS BAIT

frozen spear
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lmao I like that guy so I didn't want them to think they were going crazy

lone bridge
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come onnnn

frozen spear
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one post a few months ago asking about beo had them as top comment exalting on flood flare

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so big fan

lone bridge
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oh

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nvm

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if someone on reddit likes flood flare then were cool

frozen spear
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they even mentioned passion flare and trashed on trippy

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it was incredibly based

lone bridge
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i cant stand people reccing trippy beo

hexed sapphire
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Wtf?

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based reddit user?

lone bridge
lone bridge
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anyways im tempted to try to give out good advice on the reddit as well now

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idk why

frozen spear
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90% of people are like oh okay thanks

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so while there's more bad info being passed around on r/hades relative to other game subs they're also less toxic about being corrected

lone bridge
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thats cool

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i also didnt realize there was a recent round of mirror polls

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oh god the shadow vs fiery results hurt me

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i dont know if i want to go past that lmao

frozen spear
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eh that one is reasonable imo

hexed sapphire
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what 50 should i do next

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preferably something funny

frozen spear
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most people should use shadow for their level of play

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since bosses are main obstacle

lone bridge
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maybe

frozen spear
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it's actually not too hard since RI2 doesn't destroy you as hard

lone bridge
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but having to try to backstab feels like more of a detriment tbh

hexed sapphire
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i already did a sword one though :(

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i guess arthur is different enough

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is dark regeneration actually a thing that people run?

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i don't really understand it

frozen spear
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yeah

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part of it is an imo annoying loyalty to dark thirst

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like sure not one tricking weapons is good but if you're constantly switching weapons every game you're not gonna be able to really learn any of them well

hexed sapphire
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uhhhhhhhh

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the way i see it vitality keeps u above the hc threshold more

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dark regeneration just makes ur fountain big

lone bridge
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infernal gang

frozen spear
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well most people don't run HC and rightly so

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HC sucks

hexed sapphire
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zagbow 50 with hc cracked smh

lone bridge
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it is still better anyways though lmao

hexed sapphire
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why is PS vs FF so close in the voting

lone bridge
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regardless of hc/no hc

lone bridge
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more concerning is df/of

frozen spear
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far far more concerning

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PS is you can make it work you'll just suffer meta build consistency

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OF is shooting off both your feet and trying to 100m sprint

lone bridge
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yeah exactly

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when people say they run of for rarity but then run legacy because they cant get duos

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its like

hexed sapphire
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oh my god there's no way roughly 50% actually use OF

lone bridge
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its insane

hexed sapphire
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like

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even if you're farming resources

lone bridge
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quite literally

hexed sapphire
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just don't use of :(

lone bridge
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once i unlocked dark foresight the game became a cake walk

hexed sapphire
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darkness and gemstones you get infinitely more from bosses

lone bridge
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dark foresight makes the game ridiculously easy

hexed sapphire
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keys are pointless past a certain point anyway

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nectar idk do some trading with those worthless keys

lone bridge
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im also really surprised at pride vs legacy

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thats like 2/3 on legacy

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theres not many builds which benefit from seeing a duo boon sooner more than they do rarity increases

hexed sapphire
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if ur not fishing for a duo no pride feels so awful

lone bridge
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especially since most builds dont really rely on duos

hexed sapphire
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poseidon lightning phalanx 64 when

lone bridge
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lmao

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theres like hunting blades on achilles

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but you want rarity for literally everything else

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theres ME

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but doom rarity is more important

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the only thing that its better on is like beo lmao

hexed sapphire
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doom rarity is so stupid

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like 50 -> 100 seriously

lone bridge
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and thats just because beo is bugged

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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common doom sux

lone bridge
frozen spear
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I wonder what beo meta would be

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passion snowburst?

lone bridge
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no probably not

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they ran flood flare before they realized mirage was 100%

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because it has just a really good aoe

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meta would just be to highroll epic hermes/chaos like hera

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because your scaling would come from that

frozen spear
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hm makes sense

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you'd probably still arty up to fish for mirage

lone bridge
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yeah def

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it just wouldnt be as important

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also passion flare is notorious for wallbugging

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and shrinking

hexed sapphire
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oh is that the stupid thing where you sell attack

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bugwulf moment

lone bridge
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yeah or upgrade it with rare crop

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or upgrade cast rarity with rare crop i think

hexed sapphire
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i forgot crop was in the game

lone bridge
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rare crop is the worst boon from dem on passion beo lmao

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because it messes up everything

hexed sapphire
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this is why u just run hunter's flare

lone bridge
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god its 4:20 wtf i really need to go to bed

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gn

hexed sapphire
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i need to stop doing this

lone bridge
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same

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school starts again in 1 week i cant keep doing this

frozen spear
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new rule

frozen spear
hexed sapphire
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can't wait to be up at 5 am the night of august 26 and miss the sat

frozen spear
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you're an underdrive fan so you'll get a 400 either way

hexed sapphire
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☹️

burnt hazel
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Why does noone on the internet have a good sleep schedule

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(because i only see the ones who don't cuz I'm awake at night time for the US)

gaunt fiber
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nerds

dapper schooner
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and they simply don't live in the land of freedom

burnt hazel
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this is true

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i live in australia so you'd think i would mostly see like other aussies and people in asia but no its mostly americans with bad sleep schedules

cursive portal
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I think only Zyru has a functional sleep schedule

solemn pulsar
cursive portal
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You were my 2nd pick

burnt hazel
jaunty falcon
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the chaos gate was maimed for both rolls

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i died to lernie

cursive portal
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Blessed

ripe ermine
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That’s a thing of beauty

lone bridge
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what a weird meg...

lone bridge
lone bridge
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or at least i dont think it is

frozen spear
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rip

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special beefy

lone bridge
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maybe if you do dstrike x2 -> standing strike x2 all crits lmao

frozen spear
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I was thinking about tackling zshield 55 next

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would RI3 be reasonable?

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I'm thinking about it and I feel the only thing I'd really miss would be boiling

left prism
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Is that zeus or zag

frozen spear
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zag

pseudo kernel
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@cursive portal what does a 55 zag shied pact look like

cursive portal
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RI3 AP2 EM3 DC0

frozen spear
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so my 53 + RI3

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cool beans

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no boiling is gonna suck though

cursive portal
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eh its not that horrible

pseudo kernel
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just get some chaos buffs

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its like you never lost it

frozen spear
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this is why you should always use abyssal

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it's so you don't feel castrated when RI3 comes on

ashen garnet
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RI3 forces me to get a T2 before Lernie bouldy

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What about relying on a dash/cast to strip DC2 instead ?

jaunty falcon
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Tbh I’ve had better success with DC1 CP2 than RI3

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I love my 2 dashes

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Also losing boiling blood is kinda bad

frozen spear
hexed sapphire
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hmm what atk should i be using for arthur

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i've been using aphro but not sure if that's the best choice

jaunty falcon
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Athena is pretty good too

lone bridge
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yeah its aphro/athena

hexed sapphire
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do u get dash iframes in between arthur swings

jaunty falcon
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Probably

frozen spear
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jesus RI3 is actually helping me play better

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this unironically shouldn't be much harder than 53 for me

lone bridge
frozen spear
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I do feel 1dash causing issues in a few places

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like I just got obliterated for the second time in a row by the freaking power couple

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god why are they sooooo much worse than witches circle

lone bridge
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because they are???

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power couple is hard lmao

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i think everyone agrees

frozen spear
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I got them three times in a row

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so sick of them

lone bridge
lone bridge
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its ridiculous

frozen spear
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pure pain

hexed sapphire
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I like barge of death 😇

lone bridge
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barge good for high heat

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not for speed

frozen spear
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I would actually take barge over power couple any day of the week

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barge is just meg

lone bridge
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yeah barge is chill

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you just kill the giant voidstone and its ez from there

hexed sapphire
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Idk every aspho miniboss is kind of balls in one way or another

frozen spear
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let me clip my most tragic death in my hour of attempts

lone bridge
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you do the witches meg and boom

hexed sapphire
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If i had a nickel for every time i went for power couple 0 cycle and failed i would have many nickels

lone bridge
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good luck on power couple 0 cycle lmao

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that needs an insane build to work

hexed sapphire
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I'm just malding

frozen spear
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for heat that's still whatever

lone bridge
frozen spear
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lose a bit of time maybe take a few extra shots

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nothing like power couple that can deal 80 damage in an instant

lone bridge
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yeah thats just bs

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i never miss 4 witch meg anymore anyway

hexed sapphire
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Is there a way to re enable barge but not asterius or king vermin

lone bridge
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also are you seriously going for power couple 0 cycles lmao

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
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No that was a joke

lone bridge
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i wish there was

hexed sapphire
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It's like 3 nickels

frozen spear
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also my single most used phrase while playing high heat is "of course he has slugger"

lone bridge
frozen spear
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I was desperate

lone bridge
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did you think it was going to do something lmao

frozen spear
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all it did was bonk DC shields anyways

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I mean I was at 7hp no SD

hexed sapphire
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I still instinctively meg minibosses on heat

pseudo kernel
frozen spear
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I had no other choice

lone bridge
frozen spear
hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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do you not meg minibosses in heat???

hexed sapphire
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Well clearly randy here has 4 charges in elysium

lone bridge
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yeah well hes a dumbass ig

frozen spear
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I meg aspho miniboss only

hexed sapphire
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Well could be spindle

lone bridge
frozen spear
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then meg ely miniboss + boss and styx miniboss + boss

lone bridge
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bruh

frozen spear
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surely that's not a bad play

lone bridge
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megging tart midboss is still good

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i think

frozen spear
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meh, zshield blows up all tart minibosses with cshot

hexed sapphire
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Hitting the meg on mm bombers is so satisfying

frozen spear
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would save like 5s max

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
lone bridge
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dude mm bombers 4 meg is so amazing

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because you have to think of an angle on the spot

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and then it just works

hexed sapphire
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I watch my friend play sometimes and it's funny how much he struggles to minibosses

frozen spear
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I should learn it then

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bombers are the only significant time loss for zshield

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

Battie kind of nullifies minibosses

#

Yeah u just have to wing it

#

Sometimes it doesn't work

frozen spear
#

oh that sucks

hexed sapphire
#

But when it does mmmm

lone bridge
#

you have to make a new angle every time you do it

frozen spear
#

yeah idk I like having four megs for ely styx

#

comfy

hexed sapphire
#

I just don't meg dad lmao

lone bridge
#

idk megging styx seems weird

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

meg styx is pretty high value

hexed sapphire
#

Styx miniboss suck

#

It has like a million hp

frozen spear
#

since you whack both minibosses

left prism
#

i almost never meg in styx unless i have an extra charge

lone bridge
left prism
#

il rather just get dad fight asap, and if em4 specially

frozen spear
#

ok so I should meg tart miniboss and not in styx

#

k sounds good

left prism
#

for me it depends on the miniboss

lone bridge
#

just dont mess up tart midboss with dc shields

left prism
#

sneak-bombers yeah but doom crystal i wont

frozen spear
#

of course I sometimes lose a meg to lernie desperation

lone bridge
left prism
#

panic meg is real

lone bridge
#

10 hp enterting phase 3 lmao

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just hit 1 as soon as the shield goes down lol

frozen spear
#

huge shoutout to doomstone though

lone bridge
#

not dealing with that

frozen spear
#

my favorite miniboss

hexed sapphire
#

Clearly just skip meg on butterfly ball

lone bridge
#

so free

frozen spear
#

and so trivial for SD

lone bridge
#

yeah exactly

hexed sapphire
#

I died to doomstone today by accident

#

I got shot by the trap

lone bridge
#

ok today is the day i get good at zag shield

frozen spear
#

:rofxic:

frozen spear
hexed sapphire
#

Cshot makes shield incredibly easy for pushing heat

#

Which is why I won't touch it because arthur is funnier

left prism
#

getting it to cancel the 2nd set of summons feels good

frozen spear
#

oh enemy cap?

left prism
#

yup

hexed sapphire
#

Just murder all the minibosses with poseidon lp

#

That easy

left prism
#

let enough of the smol crystals alive and super dad wont summon anything

lone bridge
#

hows this

frozen spear
#

JS3 is legit not worth 3 heat at all

#

I would unironically recommend JS3 RI1

lone bridge
#

alright

#

sounds good

frozen spear
#

JS3 actually helps zshield a lot of the time

lone bridge
#

oh bc kb

pseudo kernel
#

bruh just take hs

frozen spear
#

bodyslam damage is huge for extra dps and breaking DC

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

no HS

lone bridge
#

oh wait if i corner strat i cant get potted

frozen spear
#

bad

hexed sapphire
#

Imagine skipping heightened security

frozen spear
#

don't HS

pseudo kernel
frozen spear
#

don't do it

lone bridge
#

i forgot about cornet strat

pseudo kernel
#

unless you are bad

#

bro hs is not bad

#

especially on zag shield

lone bridge
#

yeah but its like

#

hs vs another rank of js

frozen spear
#

it is bad

pseudo kernel
#

you literally stand still and spam attack

hexed sapphire
#

Take off hell mode and a convenience fee and run RI4

lone bridge
#

and like just one more rank of js isnt that bad

pseudo kernel
#

how do you get hit by a trap

frozen spear
#

I do

pseudo kernel
#

if you are standing still

hexed sapphire
#

👍

frozen spear
#

HS ended so many of my 53s

#

stupid pact

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

Heightened security is such good bait lmao

frozen spear
#

tbh dropping CF is still helpful

lone bridge
#

common attack start bouldy

frozen spear
#

can spam more hearts

hexed sapphire
#

Random players will think it's free and then just run into an elysium arrow

pseudo kernel
#

not hs its you

#

you are the problem

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

I know

hexed sapphire
#

It's not gilgamesh's fault

#

It's the player's

lone bridge
#

wait wtf

#

does zag shield not block stuff to the right?

#

is that only a beo thing

frozen spear
#

if that pact isn't so good try the CP0 one

hexed sapphire
#

It blocks stuff in the direction you're looking ...

left prism
lone bridge
#

bruh

left prism
#

big shield = bigger block angle

lone bridge
#

this video game wtf

left prism
#

actually where is that pic

hexed sapphire
#

Lol imagine being spoiled by beowulf

left prism
#

for beo

frozen spear
#

tf is that

hexed sapphire
#

Can't be spoiled if you don't play shield in the first place 👍 👍 👍 👍

frozen spear
#

why isn't it symmetrical

hexed sapphire
#

Bruh

lone bridge
#

@left prism you're posting links too fast.

left prism
lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

@left prism you're posting links too fast.

lone bridge
#

i thought that was all shields

frozen spear
#

<@&456908176877551658> can we please make this channel less frustrating to use

lone bridge
#

^also yeah this

left prism
frozen spear
#

ie post images and have dyno stay off our asses

hexed sapphire
#

Lol wtf

#

Why does the block just randomly extend down the side

#

Bugwulf moment ????

lone bridge
#

this channel has a lot more link/image posting than other channels

left prism
frozen spear
pseudo kernel
#

if you look at zag when you are blocking you see that he holds the shield to his right

#

so not a bug

frozen spear
#

bruh

hexed sapphire
#

Bold of you to assume i look at zag

lone bridge
#

yeah it isnt a bug

hexed sapphire
#

That's weird as hell

left prism
lone bridge
#

i just didnt realize it wasnt like that for all shields

hexed sapphire
#

But whatever

frozen spear
#

wack

lone bridge
#

also for some reason im on shadow presence and not fiery

hexed sapphire
frozen spear
#

both are good

#

I started with shadow then swapped to fiery because it speeds up tart by a lot

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

the thing is zshield does so well against bosses I think fiery is preferable

forest token
#

Imagine playing any other aspect besides beo

lone bridge
#

i saw this and thought "PATTY!"

frozen spear
#

lmaoooo

forest token
#

Ayo tart patty

hexed sapphire
#

Nice mod flavor text

frozen spear
#

mods ban for zshield slander

pseudo kernel
frozen spear
#

also please restart lmao

pseudo kernel
#

imagine not epic resetting

left prism
pseudo kernel
#

yeah you want shadow

hexed sapphire
#

Randy is always wrong

frozen spear
#

🥺

#

but I like fiery

pseudo kernel
#

who

#

cares

frozen spear
#

no fiery is based

lone bridge
#

died c8 to speeder seekers with no hammer

frozen spear
#

it's rough beating the clock without early hammer

forest token
#

Well there's the restart

hexed sapphire
#

Just reset for rarity

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

Or download start always epic

#

👍

lone bridge
#

im no filthy rarity resetter

hexed sapphire
left prism
#

at least cope with rare

#

50% dmg isnt really worth it bouldy

pseudo kernel
#

you have mods it cant be that bad

frozen spear
#

modded players when they have to hit 4 keys and wait ten seconds

hexed sapphire
#

10 seconds is a long time ☹️👎

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

Just download start always epic

#

Smh

pseudo kernel
#

people be complaining about how rng heavy hades is so they make a mod

frozen spear
#

I figure that mod will be part of modpack soon

pseudo kernel
#

then they be complaining about how long it takes

#

smh

pseudo kernel
left prism
hexed sapphire
#

I mean what are you expecting speedrunning a roguelite lmao

frozen spear
#

well at least as an option I mean

#

disabled by default

pseudo kernel
#

nah

left prism
#

main argument is that enables using legacy instead of pride for things like fists

#

well not main argument

#

but at least one that i remember bouldy

pseudo kernel
#

i think forcing all purple boons for first boon is a little too far

frozen spear
#

man that would be broken

hexed sapphire
#

I mean you can already run legacy

#

You just have to restart more

#

I can see that being a problem for multi weapons though

lone bridge
#

bruh no hammer into furies

#

this is why ri1 sucks tbh

frozen spear
#

true but multi weapon category runners are subhuman anyways

lone bridge
lone bridge
lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

Fair enough

lone bridge
#

ok no hammer into furies isnt worth it thats just a reset

hexed sapphire
#

What no df does to an mf

pseudo kernel
#

no pulv blow furies fight 😔

lone bridge
#

ok hammer start nice

frozen spear
#

blow furies?

#

🤨

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
#

ok this aspect is pretty good actually

pseudo kernel
#

No it's not

lone bridge
#

youre right

hexed sapphire
#

I hate zag shield

frozen spear
#

I hate zag shield haters

lone bridge
#

yooo epic broken resolve

frozen spear
#

gg

#

carry to eury for heroic

lone bridge
#

now enemies do 25% less damage

left prism
#

is that the weak gives more dmg resistance?

lone bridge
#

yeah

pseudo kernel
frozen spear
#

oh wait that's actually a good boon

left prism
#

that one is pog yeah

frozen spear
#

I thought it was the revenge or weak explosion one

left prism
#

that one is additive to weak iirc

lone bridge
#

yeah

lone bridge
#

weak is 10% boon is 15%

#

obviously

frozen spear
#

lmao

pseudo kernel
#

Breh

#

Why is weak so bad

lone bridge
#

ikr

#

probably because her % is so high

pseudo kernel
#

The effect is the same as a bouldy boon

#

Poseidon is better

hexed sapphire
lone bridge
pseudo kernel
#

Wait what

#

What's common urge to kill

hexed sapphire
#

10

pseudo kernel
#

So the same

lone bridge
#

no 10% * 2 * 100% = 20% global damage

pseudo kernel
#

Oh movespeed

hexed sapphire
#

Speed bouldy rd doesn't count

lone bridge
#

yes it does

pseudo kernel
#

Yeah that's rd

#

Not bouldy boon

#

Smh

lone bridge
#

that is entirely bouldy wtf

#

how could you say this to bouldy

hexed sapphire
#

Also what if it's common rd

lone bridge
#

taking tooth into aspho

#

first time ever

hexed sapphire
#

Get back on the poseidon grind after this for your sins

#

oops lmao

pseudo kernel
#

Nice rta

hexed sapphire
#

oh my god arthur is so awful against syx

#

styx

#

ok i kind of want to do hades 50 now

forest token
#

What's stopping you

lone bridge
#

bruh this aspect sucks

#

i got speeder saviors in ely

#

literally impossible to win

#

this aspect is good at bossing but awful at rooms

#

it does terrible dps in rooms

hexed sapphire
#

try using the "skill" boon

#

ok hades spear is lowkey not even that terrible

#

tbh

#

or maybe high heat is severely diminishing my standards

forest token
#

Funky spin good?

forest token
hexed sapphire
#

arthur is above average at 50 ngl

shy plinth
#

Seems like it's solid as far as an aspect that doesn't need boons

hexed sapphire
#

i literally haven't been playing aspects for the past couple days

#

i did 50 with poseidon and then arthur

#

lmao

forest token
#

Oh god that sounds terrible

hexed sapphire
#

bruh hades is really good compared to poseidon

#

god i hate poseidon so much

ripe ermine
#

Ha Poseidon and Arthur are the 2 aspects I have left to do at 50. I’m… not looking forward to that.

frozen spear
#

for arthur I'm thinking AP1 force aphro then zeus for highroll smair

#

smair helps arthur so much

lone bridge
#

dude i hte zag shield so much

#

this aspect sucks ass at elysium

frozen spear
#

zshield slander

lone bridge
#

its honestly awful

hexed sapphire
#

arthur feels nice until you roll up to elysium and all your damage is somehow gone

#

poseidon speaks for itself

lone bridge
#

i bet its the same with hestia as well actually

hexed sapphire
#

eh hestia has more ways to scale

lone bridge
#

where your damage just really falls off because you dont get scaling past like tart

hexed sapphire
#

arthur is just like

#

i like the design concept but it plays too choppy

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

zshield don't need no scaling homie

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
frozen spear
#

it does like 500 dps while blocking everything

#

truly built different

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
#

Wtf is this bestia slander

lone bridge
#

the problem is that with zag shield you send everything flying across the map

frozen spear
#

I bet you're not wallslamming enough

hexed sapphire
#

oh i should do zeus 50 after this except it's special only

lone bridge
#

and then you have to go over to it

frozen spear
#

push things into walls

lone bridge
#

and it neuters your dps\

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

special only zeus is unaruably

lone bridge
#

but its a bit difficult to do in the meadows of asphodel and the fields of elysium

frozen spear
#

special only hera is unaruably

hexed sapphire
# lone bridge i try

If you pick up the boon "Second Wave", your knock-away effects will occur twice. This would make it easier to hit enemies into walls. Hope this helps!

frozen spear
#

lol

#

does pos attack shield make enemies fly even more

lone bridge
hexed sapphire
#

breaking wave sucks because it opens second wave

frozen spear
#

that's epic

#

breaking second wave build

hexed sapphire
#

Huge catch is the superior legendary, unfortunately

lone bridge
#

zag shield is such an awful weapon

hexed sapphire
#

Lol

lone bridge
#

why does anyone use it

#

its legitimately so boring

#

its just like hestia

#

and arthur

#

it barely scales after like c3 of tart

#

it starts out strong and then thats pretty much the strongest it gets

hexed sapphire
#

I hate how pos and arthur are so terrible that i'm actually finding hades quite strong

forest token
#

Maybe hades has been good all along lmao

hexed sapphire
#

I'm sure i'll start thinking it's terrible again after i go back to achilles

forest token
#

The simple solution here is to not go back to Achilles

hexed sapphire
#

Ok i'll go back to gy

#

And still think hades sucks

forest token
#

Damn

#

I've been played

frozen spear
#

I can't think of something that can outdps it that early

lone bridge
#

i feel like hestia does, no?

frozen spear
#

with hazard I suppose so

#

still hesty don't got shield

lone bridge
#

true

hexed sapphire
#

bruh i timed out in styx

lone bridge
#

in styx or in dad

frozen spear
#

@lone bridge sup I'm making a hades bot

#

do you wanna check out the test server

lone bridge
nocturne stag
frozen spear
#

idk man as

nocturne stag
#

?

shy plinth
#

The talk this past week at least has been largely focused on 50+

#

I really enjoy arthur at lower heats but at high heat it seems pretty punishing

nocturne stag
#

Yeah I imagine once you're forced to take dc2 it becomes a lot harder

shy plinth
#

This was the pact for their last clear

#

I... would not want to bring arthur on that run

#

Even with dc off

frozen spear
nocturne stag
#

I think I saw it once but I don't remember it

frozen spear
# nocturne stag I think I saw it once but I don't remember it

Idk man as someone with around 10 40 Heat runs under my belt I will literally always take Divine Dash over pretty much everything. Unless the build really requires a specific dash to create a broken interaction, Divine Dash is good with every build, every weapon, and is simply incredible. I agree with the top post of this comment chain that 8.5 is a little weird for easily the best Dash in the game.

shy plinth
#

Oh man

#

A classic

frozen spear
#

anyways your message starting with idk man reminded me of that

nocturne stag
#

I'm not sure what 8.5 is in connection to, but divine dash is genuinely one of the best dashes in the game ngl

frozen spear
#

but I do agree with you for the record, arthur is one of the best aspects relative to ease of use

#

at lower heat

nocturne stag
frozen spear
#

let's see it anyways

left prism
hexed sapphire
#

It was like 2 people voting

jaunty falcon
#

Me and OP for most posts

#

Apart from the Hermes one where one guy voted hs rd and dashes at like 4/10

errant oasis
errant oasis
#

I feel like the only contention is for second place

#

which I feel is either tidal or drunken

hexed sapphire
hexed sapphire
errant oasis
#

Wh- I like drunken dash

#

The other ones are all worse anyway

#

I mean blade dash is literally the same but worse

jaunty falcon
#

Drunken dash does 2 damage

#

It’s so bad

hexed sapphire
#

It just feels really clunky to me

errant oasis
hexed sapphire
#

Soo .... 6 damage

left prism
#

Blade-drunk gud for dc popping

errant oasis
#

6 damage over time though

jaunty falcon
#

It’ll do more damage than one tidal dash in like 6s

errant oasis
hexed sapphire
#

I've honestly grown to somewhat appreciate passion dash because heat likes to slap it onto me

errant oasis
hexed sapphire
#

Weak good

#

👍

errant oasis
#

weak at the end of dash

#

yippee

hexed sapphire
#

Using ap2 consistently over the course of many days messes with your standards

errant oasis
#

AP2

#

oh no

#

ap2 is miserable

jaunty falcon
#

It’s the only option at a certain point

errant oasis
#

See it wouldn’t be quite so bad if they didn’t show you what could’ve been

errant oasis
hexed sapphire
#

"thank gods this random shop boon didn't ap2 me into filling a core boon i was saving"

hexed sapphire
#

U open up an aphro and see sweet surrender and heart rend or something

#

But it's xed out and makes you take wave of despair

#

Makes me cry

errant oasis
#

That actually happened to me 💀

#

Minus wave of despair

#

My only option was the revenge one :DDD

hexed sapphire
#

Wave of despair is the revenge one

jaunty falcon
#

Dying lament is good

errant oasis
#

oh I thought that was the cast

hexed sapphire
#

Cast is crush shot

errant oasis
#

oh

#

then the exact same thing happened to me

hexed sapphire
errant oasis
jaunty falcon
#

Tart

errant oasis
#

oh right