#h1-high-heat-strategies

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jaunty falcon
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Moab dumbination

frozen spear
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vrej

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for zshield 53 do I cope with common aphro or reset for rare+

jaunty falcon
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I’d reset for epic

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Tbh

frozen spear
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sus

pseudo kernel
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can cope for rare

lone bridge
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how good is divine flourish on luci compared to arty special

jaunty falcon
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Good

frozen spear
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good

jaunty falcon
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Deflect is good

pseudo kernel
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horrible

lone bridge
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do i just take epic athena speical

frozen spear
jaunty falcon
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Damage is good

frozen spear
lone bridge
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hm

bronze rapids
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Not bad

jaunty falcon
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Oh wait

pseudo kernel
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thanks

frozen spear
jaunty falcon
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Wrong person

lone bridge
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ill take that as a yes and sell it for uc

jaunty falcon
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NO

pseudo kernel
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why sell it

frozen spear
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no actually just keep it

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deflect special unironically helps a lot

jaunty falcon
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Get support fire instead

lone bridge
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idk

jaunty falcon
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Unironically cracked af

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
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i already have athena dash

pseudo kernel
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why tho

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sell that

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force pos dash

lone bridge
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bruh

jaunty falcon
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Idk man hahahaha 🤣

pseudo kernel
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how are you gonna sub 10

pseudo kernel
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🤣 🤣 🤣

lone bridge
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i dont need to

pseudo kernel
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then did you really win

lone bridge
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fine ig ill keep athena special

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i really dont want to though

jaunty falcon
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Ok mr lucifer 32 heat wr hooter

frozen spear
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keep it it's cracked

lone bridge
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also doesnt support fire have prereqs

frozen spear
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epic athena is enough damage

jaunty falcon
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No

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
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oh huh

pseudo kernel
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i have too many wrs 😔

frozen spear
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what's the time on that

pseudo kernel
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9:01 or smth

jaunty falcon
lone bridge
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if i get special replace though

frozen spear
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sus

lone bridge
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im totally doing it

frozen spear
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surely you can do better than that

jaunty falcon
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I’d bet money magnil has a faster 40

pseudo kernel
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yeah probably

frozen spear
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guess no one runs it lmao

jaunty falcon
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Yep

pseudo kernel
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yeah because lucifer sucks

lone bridge
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thats ez to beat

pseudo kernel
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beat it then

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idot

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unmodded

jaunty falcon
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Croven

lone bridge
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oop\s

lone bridge
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i forgot that was unmodded

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nvm that sounds boring

jaunty falcon
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^

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Although

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It doesn’t sound too hard

pseudo kernel
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beat it then

jaunty falcon
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I’ll try

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When I get home

pseudo kernel
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actually no wait

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i wanna keep my wr

jaunty falcon
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Boutta reset for sub 1:30 full build at the end of aspho sheesh

pseudo kernel
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can you get like a 9:02

jaunty falcon
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Ok

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Was yours a 2 sack

pseudo kernel
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if you get a faster run dont submit it

pseudo kernel
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next fastest time was 9:52

jaunty falcon
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I think I have 1 sub 10 lucifer unmodded

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8:40 3 sack iirc

pseudo kernel
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ok magnil does not have a faster 40 heat run than mine

jaunty falcon
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Man I don’t like the idea of bruiser louts in tart with common lightning strike and nothing else

pseudo kernel
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yes

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dont do it

jaunty falcon
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My 32 heat pb is only like 8:40 anyway

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Unmodded

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I’m washed

pseudo kernel
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Not even sub 3

frozen spear
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woo finally died to TD for the first time

pseudo kernel
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go faster

frozen spear
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tried to cope with common aphro and c12 hammer

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sucks

lone bridge
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what aspect

jaunty falcon
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Zagrail clearly

lone bridge
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lmao holy wtf

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you can literally just facetank heroes with luci

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you do that much damage

frozen spear
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if I had common aphro attack and c11 hammer on zrail I would've timed out in c6

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zshield

lone bridge
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i like this aspect more than eris ngl

frozen spear
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based

lone bridge
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hows this

pseudo kernel
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Em4

lone bridge
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no

pseudo kernel
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:croven:

hoary pasture
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It's a bit all over the place for my liking

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But it can work

pseudo kernel
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Yeah

lone bridge
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how so

jaunty falcon
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I’d do ap2

lone bridge
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no

jaunty falcon
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RI0

lone bridge
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im not doing ap2

hoary pasture
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RI2 AP2 EM4 choose 1

lone bridge
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no

pseudo kernel
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All of them then

lone bridge
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im just going to go with this

pseudo kernel
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Cursed

lone bridge
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it was my preferred eris 50 pact anyway

hoary pasture
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It's fine it can work

pseudo kernel
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Bro really gonna ask us how this pact is and not take our advice

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
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You’ll see jolted, won’t be epic tho bouldy

lone bridge
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meh, im just going for triple spam

jaunty falcon
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I like ap2 as you only really need 2-3 boons

pseudo kernel
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Artemis start

jaunty falcon
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And one is guaranteed

lone bridge
jaunty falcon
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RI0 means more health too

lone bridge
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the problem is you need both zeus attack and a good special

pseudo kernel
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That's easy to get

jaunty falcon
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Yeah

lone bridge
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idk not on ap2

jaunty falcon
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You have 5 gods that have a good special

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Just get one of those in a miniboss

lone bridge
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and then win the 1/5 chance for the special!

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or whatever it is

jaunty falcon
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Rerolls

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I love ri0

lone bridge
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i also like ri0 but not when it means ap2

jaunty falcon
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Also it’s not 1/5 because you have the attack already filled up

pseudo kernel
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Then do ri2 ap1 then

jaunty falcon
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And you don’t really need a special anyway till late elysium

lone bridge
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half the time im not offered special on 9 heat

pseudo kernel
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Take shackle

lone bridge
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honestly i think the only things ill take ap2 over are like cp2 and ri3

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if its not like zag shield or smth

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i really hate ap2

jaunty falcon
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Ap2 isn’t as bad as you think

lone bridge
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it is

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ive tried it and it sucks

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it makes the game not fun and a slog

pseudo kernel
frozen spear
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don't listen to them

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RI1 AP1 meta

lone bridge
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is concentrated beam or triple beam better on luci

jaunty falcon
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I think triple

lone bridge
forest token
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splitting bolt is a scam you dont need it

half heart
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Copium

half heart
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Well, at least static discharge better late than never

hexed sapphire
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WOW no dark foresight is awful

lone bridge
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yep

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ri moment

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on zag bow it doesnt matter too much though

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except that you see hammer a lot later

hexed sapphire
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worst pact decision of my life

frozen spear
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I just got the perfect zshield 53 start

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c1 hammer, c2 erebus heart, c3 rare aphro attack

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if I throw this I should delete the game

lone bridge
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damn 53

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em4?

frozen spear
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nah

hexed sapphire
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Not epic smh

frozen spear
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50 + HS and hell mode

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well now it's epic via eury

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all this highroll and I still needed tooth for lernie bruh

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ely please don't murder me

hexed sapphire
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Wait z shield is zag shield

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Oops

lone bridge
frozen spear
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are you kidding me

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I

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god dammit

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I hate HS so much

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I had 250 hp

hexed sapphire
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Lol

lone bridge
frozen spear
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ely arrowed

lone bridge
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or wait no thats 4 minutes later

lone bridge
frozen spear
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I swear epic hermes dashes killed me

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my dashing went out of control

lone bridge
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lol

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ive never heard that excuse before

frozen spear
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it's a good excuse and I'm sticking by it

hexed sapphire
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"I dashed too much ☹️👎"

cursive portal
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Too many i frames 😭

pseudo kernel
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A little too safe

whole goblet
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As a very casual Hades player this chat scares me

pseudo kernel
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why

upper juniper
lone bridge
hoary pasture
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I’m a very casual Hades player too

forest token
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just a casual player, nothing special

pseudo kernel
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im casual too

lone bridge
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yeah same i play it casually

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i dont make money off of it and therefore am not a professional

hexed sapphire
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I'm casual i only play 50 heat for bounties

mossy zinc
mossy zinc
lone bridge
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you dont want cshot on beo if youre doing em4, right?

hoary pasture
lone bridge
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alr

lone bridge
hoary pasture
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I think if I wanted to gamble for Mirage Ill just do Flood

jaunty falcon
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Just run pride

hoary pasture
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With Passion Flare I go for Pstatus Pride and ignore Mirage

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Look for Snow burst instead

lone bridge
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alr cool

hoary pasture
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Chill + Weak incredibly safe

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And really good damage

jaunty falcon
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In a vacuum, pstatus pash snow burst is similar DPS to flood with mirage

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But mirage scales way better with other cast damage bonuses, meanwhile weak and chill are amazing safety

lone bridge
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also what hammer should i even set lol

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sudden rush?

jaunty falcon
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Ferocious or sudden

lone bridge
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ok

hoary pasture
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Yea both are nice options

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There's breaching too but I dont like it personally

mossy zinc
lone bridge
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lol who needs legacy anyway

hoary pasture
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Yea that works

forest token
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Simply get good rng

lone bridge
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hows this for beo 50

hoary pasture
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Good

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That's a pretty standard pact

lone bridge
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nice

jaunty falcon
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Yeah that’s as standard as it gets

quartz mantle
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CF0 CP2 DC1

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but if you're a coward that pact works too

frozen spear
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if you're a coward run EM3 DC1 AP2 like I did

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
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nemesis crest zagluv

hoary pasture
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If you have pstatus/dem in the pool just meme it out

lone bridge
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js3lysium is kinda bouldy

hoary pasture
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It's boring bouldy

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But Beo should be good at it, are you having time issues?

lone bridge
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no

hoary pasture
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Oh that's good

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Just a casual 1 minute room from time to time

lone bridge
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yeah

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its really annoying

pseudo kernel
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just get free rooms

hoary pasture
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skip it you gamer

lone bridge
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had aphro dem pos arty

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then i forgot you arent supposed to sell your attack bouldy

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what spaghetti even makes that happen

frozen spear
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where mirage

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I remember my first beo 50 attempt entered ely c2 with high level passion flare, snow burst, mirage, and athena in pool

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then I threw

pseudo kernel
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imagine

lone bridge
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thats

frozen spear
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it was so depressing because I hadn't done EM4 before

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I even forgot to kill myself and missed out on an athena dd

pseudo kernel
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bruh

frozen spear
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then rerolled a first styx athena from sure footing to nothing good

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it was the single worst 50 of my life

lone bridge
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notice anything wrong

pseudo kernel
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🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿

frozen spear
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hm

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not using abyssal?

lone bridge
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literally wtf

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poms hated me that attempt lol

frozen spear
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hey snow burst hard carry

lone bridge
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let me tell you it did not hard carry

pseudo kernel
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oh i didnt notice that

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i thought you were talking about how you died to lernie

frozen spear
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also geez dem attack and snow burst is super lucky

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notwithstanding lvl1 flare

lone bridge
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they were like 350 damage volleys lmao

pseudo kernel
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this is why you dont take that many pommables

lone bridge
frozen spear
pseudo kernel
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my first beo 50

lone bridge
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wtf

frozen spear
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nice shot abuse

lone bridge
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gamer highroll

frozen spear
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also what was bouldy boon

lone bridge
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also wait is rr actually good

frozen spear
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it's good on shields vs superdad

pseudo kernel
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no rr is absolutely horrible it sucks

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i would rather die than use it

frozen spear
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lol

lone bridge
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hm

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getting very mixed opinions

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should i swap to rr is what im asking

frozen spear
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but yeah shields can tank 1dash fine

pseudo kernel
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yeah

lone bridge
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ok

pseudo kernel
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50% damage and dodge chance gud

frozen spear
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also you're on AP1 so RR is even more viable

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grab +dash of course

pseudo kernel
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wouldve died if i didnt have rr

lone bridge
frozen spear
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shoutout to my actual successful beo 50 which was AP2 hyper delivery

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lmao remember that

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~1% chance of that

lone bridge
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gamer luck right there

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how many atts

frozen spear
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that was about 20 as my first 50

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beo is bad first 50 if you're unfamiliar with superdad so I struggled

lone bridge
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i had way more attempts on eris

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i think i had like 40 eris 50 attempts

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eris is not a good first 50

frozen spear
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hm maybe

pseudo kernel
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i took 2 attempts for my first beo 50

frozen spear
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I feel like it would be fine to grind out the RI0 AP2 pact until it works though

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modded of course

pseudo kernel
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it took me (technically) 1 attempt for eris 50

frozen spear
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yeah with cheat engine

pseudo kernel
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and it took me (technically) 1 attempt for zag shield 50

lone bridge
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everyone says zag shield is easy heat but its so hard bouldy

frozen spear
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zshield is the best modded first 50 imo

pseudo kernel
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whats so hard

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😳

lone bridge
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zag shield

lone bridge
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typo moment

frozen spear
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god fountain heart hits different

pseudo kernel
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me when than + heart room

frozen spear
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than clutch tbh

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I wish modded forced him

pseudo kernel
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thats actually cheating

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you cant just force a than room

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might as well force patty too

frozen spear
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I mean modded should make every combat room than encounter

lone bridge
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ohhhh ok

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ez

frozen spear
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is that more fair?

lone bridge
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yeah

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absolutely

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
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modded should force fountain c33 and patty c34

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
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19 min rta only tart and aspho bouldy

frozen spear
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than showing up in chaos is the funniest thing

forest token
whole goblet
# lone bridge why

Seeing what is truly capable in this game is mind numbingly crazy, also bc I suck and can barely me em3

lone bridge
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@frozen spear do beo 50 as bad zag

frozen spear
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lol I've considered it

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how does beo's dragon rush buff work

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is it base or additive damage

lone bridge
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idk

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@jaunty falcon do you know?

frozen spear
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@jaunty falcon

pseudo kernel
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@jaunty falcon

jaunty falcon
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@jaunty falcon

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It’s additive

pseudo kernel
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Ok thanks @jaunty falcon

frozen spear
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ok so arty attack is best

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@jaunty falcon

lone bridge
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ok cool thank you @jaunty falcon

lone bridge
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ok ill stop now

pseudo kernel
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Bro is crying right now

jaunty falcon
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Yeah arty is best

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Waaaa

lone bridge
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ugh i died to dad again

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lvl 3 common cast bouldy

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also @hoary pasture do you have a practice save for em4 dad with passion flare and snow burst?

cursive portal
lone bridge
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i messed up another run

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just a c34 patty awaay

frozen spear
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but you can make it to superdad almost every time right

hoary pasture
frozen spear
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EM4 pact moment tbh

lone bridge
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i really dont like superdad pacts

frozen spear
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everything else is a joke

hoary pasture
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You’ll get it eventually

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It took me ages

lone bridge
hoary pasture
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And I had already cleared 50 heat multiple times

lone bridge
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em4 pacts

frozen spear
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lmao

hoary pasture
lone bridge
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how was luci 50 so much easier

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luci was literally free

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this is not bouldy

hoary pasture
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Well although it’s Beo, it still doesn’t make EM4 effortless bouldy

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In some situations bad Beo habits can be really punishing

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Like instantly dash striking after bullrushes

lone bridge
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oh should i stop doing that bouldy

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i thought you were supposed to

frozen spear
lone bridge
hoary pasture
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It’s how you want to be initiating bullruhes but you should be mindful of it

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Because it can easily be the reason you take a hit

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Especially if your actual bullrush wasnt well timed

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So you end up dash striking into a spin or a spear throw

lone bridge
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ah true

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is there a non em4 beo 50 pact?

frozen spear
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mine

hoary pasture
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Yea

lone bridge
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im confident i could do it easily ive i got like a lvl 5 cast snow burst and patty

frozen spear
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DC1 AP2

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it's sus

hoary pasture
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You can do AP2 DC1

lone bridge
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sus but no em4

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ill give it a shot

hoary pasture
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You need a cast and some poms

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Use family favorite

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And ignore everything

lone bridge
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oh good idea

hoary pasture
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Use cshot if you can too

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Because non em4 dad is a joke on beo

lone bridge
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yeah

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anyways i really like cshot so im glad i get to use that again

frozen spear
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nice thing is that cshot makes pre dad super comfy

lone bridge
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yeah

frozen spear
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even with AP2 being awful as usual

lone bridge
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literally like 90% of your damage in tart is cshot lol

hoary pasture
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The DC1 makes it a bit annoying

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But it’s manageable

frozen spear
pseudo kernel
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Smh non em4 beo 50 pact

lone bridge
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yeah dc1 is really annoying

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how sus is cp2

pseudo kernel
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Extremely

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Don't know if it is worse than dc1 tho

frozen spear
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I would recommend DC1 over CP2

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DC1 sucks in tart but beo's pretty fast there

hoary pasture
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I did CP2 and cleared it with a lv2 cast

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🗿

pseudo kernel
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🗿

frozen spear
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we're not all as gamer as you

pseudo kernel
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Mike isn't that gamer

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He doesn't even have that many wrs

frozen spear
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to decide that we need to figure one thing out

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@hoary pasture on your first playthrough how did you decide on meg and than romances

hoary pasture
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I have no clue

pseudo kernel
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Don't you use a maxed save now bouldy

hoary pasture
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Yea, and my first playthrough is over a year ago

lone bridge
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ok so the great part about this is that i get to use cshot

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the bad part is doing non cshot beo made me forget how to use cshot

frozen spear
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lol

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it'll pass in like 2 chambers

pseudo kernel
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Didn't you play cshot beo yesterday

lone bridge
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yeah

pseudo kernel
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Bruh

lone bridge
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im used to getting iframes when i bullrush

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not a thing anymore

pseudo kernel
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Don't need iframes

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Just don't get hit

lone bridge
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ah good idea

frozen spear
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man thunder dash is lowkey good

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picked it up to sell later and it's hauling ass

lone bridge
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also should i just like sell all pommables

frozen spear
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well not everything

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don't sell a nice attack

ripe ermine
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you need 1 to sell too

pseudo kernel
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Thunder dash is aight

frozen spear
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and also tbh you still want FF to kick in

pseudo kernel
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Really good on sword tho

frozen spear
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uh huh

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sword thunder dash is aim assist

lone bridge
pseudo kernel
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Frozen touch good tho

lone bridge
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yeah but it eats poms bouldy

pseudo kernel
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Good

frozen spear
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frozen touch is so good

pseudo kernel
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You wanna pom that

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Insane damage

frozen spear
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wait were you being ironic about frozen touch being good

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:(

lone bridge
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frozen touch cracked but not on hl5

pseudo kernel
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It's a good trade

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You take 100 damage

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Enemy takes 10 chill stacks

lone bridge
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lmao

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wait what keepsake do i take into aspho lmao

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pom blossom?

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spearpoint?

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distant memory?

pseudo kernel
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Yes

lone bridge
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ok but seriously lmao

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do i take money?

pseudo kernel
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Probably safest option

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Or tooth so you don't die to lernie

lone bridge
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oh thats a good idea

pseudo kernel
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Maybe Athena would be good

lone bridge
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tooth still at lvl 1 for me tho

pseudo kernel
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Why

lone bridge
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i never use it

left prism
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How

frozen spear
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bruh

lone bridge
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acorn better

pseudo kernel
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Smh

lone bridge
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i also still have skull earring at lvl 1

pseudo kernel
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Acorn better until you die to speeder slugger great shields

lone bridge
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i actually need to level that one up because its actually good

pseudo kernel
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Good on like 1 aspect

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Actually nah like 3

lone bridge
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lol i took pom porridge with 1 boon

pseudo kernel
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Idot

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Nectar better

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For the hermes

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Purple rd

lone bridge
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oh yeah

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good idea

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ok this game sucks

frozen spear
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oh my god that's painful

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also greater evasion is straight up a downgrade

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I found out that if you block a dad cast dodge can take priority

sour sage
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You using a revenge build?

lone bridge
sour sage
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Oh

lone bridge
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what does that mean

pseudo kernel
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You dodge before you block

frozen spear
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aka blocking a cast still causes dodge calculation to kick in

pseudo kernel
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If that makes sense

frozen spear
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and that causes the cast to pass through you and land

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instead of being deleted by block

pseudo kernel
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Not straight up a downgrade

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But annoying

frozen spear
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for dad can be downgrade yeah

pseudo kernel
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Not like you are actually dodging anything with common greater evasion

lone bridge
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bs

pseudo kernel
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It's not that bad

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You're playing shield

lone bridge
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god this pact is so much better

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the game isnt that much harder and theres no superdad

pseudo kernel
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How you go from hating on ap2 to this

lone bridge
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idk

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superdad ig

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em4 should be worth like 6 heat lol

pseudo kernel
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Super dad fight fun tho

lone bridge
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yeah but also run ending

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a lot of the time

pseudo kernel
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Skissue

lone bridge
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i dont like most of the run being easy and then a major diff spike at the end

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its why i dont like farm maps in osu

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theyre boring and frustrating

pseudo kernel
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So true

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What's a farm map

lone bridge
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a map that gives a lot of pp while being disproportionately easy

sweet cypress
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tbh osu is literally hades fr

pseudo kernel
#

Hmm yes pp

lone bridge
#

yep

frozen spear
#

every single time

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BP2 is fun and fair

lone bridge
#

hesty?

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oh wait beo

frozen spear
#

zrail no SF

lone bridge
#

oh

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wack

lone bridge
#

lmao i love erebus gates

cursive portal
#

gamin

bronze rapids
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Common cast let's gooo

cursive portal
#

dc1 🗿

lone bridge
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c32 patty with lvl7 cast

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kind of a highroll ngl

frozen spear
#

cheat engine

lone bridge
#

nah the trick is that ive sold all my pommables

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except for heroic attack

lone bridge
#

ok so far luci>beo>eris

pseudo kernel
#

luci not better than beo you just suck at beo 🗿

lone bridge
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maybe lol

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i got a 6:20 with it though

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definitely wasnt a lucky highroll pb

pseudo kernel
#

its your cheat engine

lone bridge
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yeah good point

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i do love me a good cheat engine

jaunty falcon
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Lemme check

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oops

pseudo kernel
jaunty falcon
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bruh

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Holy carp

lone bridge
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omg no

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ive been found out

frozen spear
nocturne stag
#

What is that symbol?

lone bridge
#

game guardian

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a cheat engine

hoary pasture
#

@lone bridge Do you still want an EM4 save

pseudo kernel
#

Can I have it

lone bridge
hoary pasture
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Need like 1 hour

pseudo kernel
nocturne stag
#

Holy seizure warning batman

hoary pasture
#

lv2 cast is enough right bouldy

lone bridge
#

uhhh lets say like lvl 4 lol

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and just lvl 1 snow burst

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lowroll scenario

hoary pasture
#

That's it?

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cp1 yea?

lone bridge
#

yeah just em4 50 pact

hoary pasture
#

You're in for some trouble

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but gl

lone bridge
#

yeah ik the whole point of this is practicing in a worst case scenario lol

hoary pasture
#

Oh also you dont run RR do you

lone bridge
#

uhh normally not but ill give it a shot

hoary pasture
lone bridge
#

when i was doing 50 attempts it didnt really make too much of a difference

lone bridge
#

i mean idk whats a reasonable build

hoary pasture
#

Just try this first maybe I suck

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🗿

lone bridge
#

you have a 56 beo clear i dont think you do

hoary pasture
#

55

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Im just gonna add a hammer

lone bridge
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well yeah but you did 50 with td0 and "played slow" and still ended up at 20 minutes

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im counting that as 56

lone bridge
hoary pasture
lone bridge
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sudden/ferocious/that beo specific one are all good

sweet cypress
#

unyielding defense

lone bridge
#

thanks

pseudo kernel
hoary pasture
#

Yea I do

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I dumped over 400 attempts in 60 Heat Beo after that

pseudo kernel
#

F

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My condolences

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Anyways when are you gonna get back on the grind

hoary pasture
#

In 4-5 years

pseudo kernel
#

Ok see ya then! 😄👍

lone bridge
hoary pasture
blazing zealot
#

what are good builds with rama for high heat?

pseudo kernel
#

A beefy % attack, Aphro is very good (ideally not common), or you can go for Artemis because crits, any high rarity % attack can do except Poseidon (avoid that one), for the Special you want flat damage, it's not hard to come by, usually not worth forcing tho, Ares Dio Zeus are the main ones, you can go for Demeter and try to get Killing freeze, it can work pretty well, for the Dash there arent many options because most of them are either anti-synergy or just dont do anything, Artemis however is probably the best in slot dash, because Rama relies on dash strikes and getting dash strike damage is just good, Athena is a good one too because deflecting is nice, another important thing for Rama is hammers, ideally you want Triple Shot or Twin Shot for your first hammer, if not offered you can go for Perfect or Point Blank, and for the second hammer you usually want Perfect or Point Blank (assuming Triple or Twin first) but the order can be the other way here, if you get Perfect Shot as first hammer then it's fine too, hammers to avoid are Sniper shot (blocks Twins shot) and also doesnt do anything, and Repulse shot, Explosive is a bit of an odd one, it's nice in some scenarios but hard to play, Chain shot is okay, wont do much in bosses. Rama is difficult and needs practice but it's really good when it comes to heat especially, it's a good idea to watch vods of people who are good at it and try to implement their movement and decision making in your runs

lone bridge
#

i forgot that copypasta existed

blazing zealot
#

ty

vague patio
#

is rama best bow?

lone bridge
#

for high heat yeah

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for speedrunning hera is better

forest token
#

all the bows are pretty good tbh

lone bridge
#

ehh

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hera and chiron are pretty bad for high heat

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and only 1 of them is really good for speed

forest token
#

i mean they all have their uses at different points

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but that is true

lone bridge
#

chiron is the only really bad bow tbh

pseudo kernel
#

chiron is good for speed if you are magnil or bablo

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rama is good for speed if you are ocaml or scalar

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and zag bow is good if you are croven

lone bridge
lone bridge
pseudo kernel
#

yeah

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
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thegamer said that?

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ig im wrong then

pseudo kernel
#

yup

blazing zealot
#

first tried 32 heat with rama

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i got both of the hangover duo's so i got pretty lucky

blazing zealot
#

all the zag aspects look pretty bad

pseudo kernel
#

most zag aspects are good

frozen spear
blazing zealot
#

ah

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i never use them cause they're pretty boring to play

pseudo kernel
#

zag spear is lowkey insane unmodded

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it has flurry and explosive

blazing zealot
#

i really like spread fire with zag gun

lone bridge
#

zag shield and zag bow are good for high heat

blazing zealot
#

is there like a doc for builds for high heat on all the aspects?

lone bridge
blazing zealot
#

sick ty

keen quiver
frozen spear
#

yep

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aphro attack charged shot = gg

pseudo kernel
#

it has a couple of wrs

lone bridge
#

yeah

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the worst shield for high heat is beo

half heart
#

flat +15 to shield dmg is a huge buff

next acorn
lone bridge
next acorn
#

Only at 61+

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Even then it’s probably better than chaos

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Because of the raging rush buff

lone bridge
#

it was a joke, but yeah chaos wr is 61 and beo is 60 lol

frozen spear
#

chaos kinda built different

keen quiver
#

why is beowulf not good for really high heat? Is it because of damage control?

lone bridge
#

no that was a joke lol

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all of the shields are amazing for high heat

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the reason beo is lower than the other 3 for highest heat cleared is because taking ri3 ruins the aspect

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because you only get 1 cast

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ri and ap are terrible pacts for cast aspects

#

but honestly from what i hear most people say it might as well be the worst shield for 50 lol

#

everyome says zag shield is the easiest 50 and if it is then chaos and zeus can be played the exact same way for only a slight damage loss

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105 vs 120

keen quiver
#

oh yeah ri

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Wow I haven't tried zag shield a lot, guess I'll try it

devout quiver
#

I always heard Zeus is the best shield for high heat, its just really hard to use well

frozen spear
next acorn
#

so many pacts are so bad for beo and its still one of the best weapons for heat

#

its just that dumb

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until 61

#

where it falls off a cliff

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(because of RI3)

frozen spear
#

can't wait for beowulf to fall off a cliff irl

mossy zinc
quartz mantle
#

The reason Beo doesn’t do 62 or anything is cause it can’t play the cast game with one infernal cast and it’s regular attacks are too slow to effectively play the c shot game

quartz mantle
#

Which is a bit disengenuine for unmodded players

jaunty falcon
#

Yeah id say beo is the easiest unmodded shield at 50

#

Zeus is probably more effective but requires effort

lone bridge
#

unmodded def beo

vague patio
#

why do you need modded ?

#

is it because you need a very specific combination of hammer & boons to make it work? so without modded it's too many resets?

pseudo kernel
#

thats one thing

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it also gives you the 4 core boons for your first boon which will help deal with ap

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and you will also get a 2 sack

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you also see all the fountain rooms which is nice

vague patio
#

oh, didn't know modded gives you all fountains

pseudo kernel
#

it doesnt give you fountains

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but you can see the rooms that have fountains

vague patio
#

are you guarenteed a fountain room offered as an option?

pseudo kernel
#

no

flat flicker
vague patio
#

but modded guarantees that if one is offered, you have the chance to pick it

pseudo kernel
vague patio
#

?

flat flicker
#

Bet

pseudo kernel
quartz mantle
#

The idea behind modded Zag Shield being way stronger than unmodded Zag Shield is that if you take AP2, once you see a hammer you have a 1/12 chance of seeing Charged Shot, on top of only a chance at starting with an attack boon

#

With modded both of those things are guaranteed

#

Which makes AP2 5 free heat you can just take

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As your build is complete by the end of Tartarus

cursive portal
#

idk 80 base damage go brrr

pseudo kernel
#

pulv blow gang

quartz mantle
#

I enjoy Pulv blow zag shield a lot more than c shot zag shield personally

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But that’s cause it plays more like Zeus

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And I’m more used to Zeus

flat flicker
#

I don’t think I’ve done 32 heat zag shield tbh feelsTastyman

#

How is it better than Zeus

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Not sure I understand it feels like Zeus is better in every way

lone bridge
#

zag shield is a lot simpler

quartz mantle
#

Zag shield takes less brain cells than Zeus at lower heat

lone bridge
#

you get cshot and then you just attack -> hold just enough to start charging -> release -> repeat

quartz mantle
#

Having to control the Zeus special on top of regular shield stuff makes it harder to function optimally

flat flicker
#

so it’s basically zag bow

#

Oversimplifying but that’s how concepts stick with me lol

quartz mantle
#

Zag bow but while you’re charging your shot you get a plate in front of you

flat flicker
#

based

half heart
pseudo kernel
#

Yes

#

The second tunnel you enter

half heart
#

Gotcha

lone bridge
half heart
#

Yeah, sometimes I had excellent runs up untill tunnels and then I find sack in the last one and then I don't have time for em4 Hades :(

#

Btw what is highest heat recorded zag shield run on YT?

pseudo kernel
#

62

lone bridge
#

yeah

#

theres a few i think

pseudo kernel
#

theres 2

flat flicker
lone bridge
#

both angel?

pseudo kernel
#

yeah

lone bridge
#

nice

pseudo kernel
#

3 if you count damue

lone bridge
#

i definitely dont bouldy

half heart
#

Can't find damue run

pseudo kernel
#

yeah because he cheated

half heart
#

Oh

pseudo kernel
#

lmao

flat flicker
#

How does one cheat

#

Undeclared mods?

#

Am I cheating using mods at all I swear I’m just lazy

pseudo kernel
#

.

quartz mantle
#

He artificially increased crit rate and messed with loot chances without disclosing the fact ahead of time

#

But yes Angel has two 62 heat Zag shield runs, one with RI3 and one with RI4

half heart
#

Surprised he didn't tried to do 64 heat zag shield run

quartz mantle
#

Angel or Damue?

mossy zinc
# flat flicker How does one cheat

Mods that affect the run in any way aren't allowed, video must be continuous of a single run and show the previous death. Cheating would be intentionally violating the rules.

#

Modded leaderboard has their own rules on mods, of course.

half heart
left prism
#

Funny you say that cuz she got to dad on 64 the other day

cursive portal
#

damue 🗿

cursive portal
#

like 2 days ago I got to dad on 64 zeus shield

left prism
#

Oh that was zeus dusa

#

I assumed zag shield lol

cursive portal
#

Im getting to heroes like every 1-2 hours now

half heart
#

Sweet God, one more month and you'll have it nectar

cursive portal
#

bold of you to assume I'II grind this for a month bouldy

pseudo kernel
#

i still remember when i said that 64 heat was impossible

#

now im scared

cursive portal
#

I even got within 10 seconds of doing it on the run that got to dad(savestate)

half heart
#

Baj did seeded 64 heat run with Zeus shield

cursive portal
#

which also gave 2 butterfly balls

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

I had 4 acorn charges when I died

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

its 100% possible lol

lone bridge
#

thats so absurdly ridiculous

pseudo kernel
#

now you legally have to prove me wrong

frozen spear
#

blade dash hard carry?

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

yas queen

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rav+ferocious kinda earring

frozen spear
#

lol it's like how the fastest way to get a response is to say something wrong and get corrected instead of asking a question

lone bridge
#

yeah but rav+ferocious+earring kinda 2 earrings

frozen spear
#

64 heat unseeded is impossible

cursive portal
#

this is unseeded technically

#

just modded

lone bridge
#

modded for epic start yeah

cursive portal
#

aka cheating 🗿

lone bridge
#

what a based mod

pseudo kernel
#

when are you gonna do it without the epic start mod

#

only need like 6 months

frozen spear
#

do you have to reset for epic zeus

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

bro

frozen spear
#

damn that sucks

lone bridge
#

thats why shes using epic start lmao

cursive portal
#

I have wasted literal DAYS of my life

#

rarity resetting

frozen spear
#

wait what

#

is epic start a thing

lone bridge
#

yeah

#

not allowed for leaderboards though

pseudo kernel
#

common thunder flourish is not good

cursive portal
#

cgull made a mod

frozen spear
#

I feel like that's an ethical thing to run

#

now I wanna use it

lone bridge
#

for super high heat yeah

cursive portal
#

90% of runs not getting past ch1 🗿

lone bridge
#

lmao

cursive portal
#

I once had like 45 minutes where I just didnt get epic

frozen spear
#

lol @ me needing it for 53 heat

lone bridge
#

unmodded 64 will never be done tbh

pseudo kernel
#

yes it will

#

just watch me

lone bridge
#

literally need the 1/40 to get past c1

#

and then theres the rest of the run

frozen spear
cursive portal
#

1/400

lone bridge
#

1/400?

cursive portal
#

because epic zeus special then ER

pseudo kernel
#

common thunder dash start gonna prove you wrong

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

I think thats what upancake calculated

lone bridge
#

1/400 chance to leave tart lol

frozen spear
#

have you considered starting with epic aphro and cshot

lone bridge
half heart
#

I mean I know that epic is better than common, but usually it's not making that difference?

frozen spear
#

what

#

is something wrong with gamer zeus shield

pseudo kernel
lone bridge
#

you absolutely need epic

pseudo kernel
#

with cp2 js3

#

em4

cursive portal
#

still need to not die to tart, or pace

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

no

lone bridge
#

thank god

cursive portal
#

that would be 🗿

pseudo kernel
#

can cgull make a mod to make hammer appear in c3

lone bridge
#

cgull should make a mod to force all free rooms

pseudo kernel
#

thats just routed

lone bridge
#

true

frozen spear
#

can cgull make a mod to guarantee c27-34 armored splitters

lone bridge
#

nah

#

c27-34 armored chariots

cursive portal
#

there was that one mod

#

for hyper delivery

#

that made armored enemies more likely to appear

lone bridge
#

armored chariots are better than armored splitters

lone bridge
cursive portal
#

the further along you got in a biome

lone bridge
#

sounds epic

frozen spear
#

so better version of speedrunning mod

cursive portal
#

but it basically didnt work(I dont remember exactly)

pseudo kernel
#

smh thats just bp1 strats with extra steps

cursive portal
#

or not enough

frozen spear
#

how hard would 64 unmodded be with the than every room mod

lone bridge
#

easier

pseudo kernel
#

harder probably

lone bridge
#

just sit in the corner of every room

#

and let than kill all of them

pseudo kernel
#

wait can than just one shot hades

cursive portal
#

"Could 62 Zag shield ever be done unmodded? Technically. But I’d be very surprised if anyone did it. You only have a 1/12 chance of even getting CShot, and also only a 1/4 of getting heartbreak strike first boon. If you reset for epic then your odds are like 1/40 on first boon (is that correct)? So your odds of starting a run are like 1/480 if you reset for epic attack and CShot?"

#

lol

lone bridge
#

then you have 20 minutes for dad

lone bridge
frozen spear
#

but only phases him

#

but then again the mod caused multiple megs to spawn so maybe the same for dad

lone bridge
#

you did ap2 60 3rd try tho right

#

was that epic attack?

pseudo kernel
#

there was this one guy who did unmodded 62 zag shield

lone bridge
#

damnue

cursive portal
#

I got common arti in ch13

lone bridge
#

damn wtf

#

lucky af

cursive portal
#

ch3 hammer, cshot

#

ch4 chaos 55% attack

lone bridge
#

wtf lmao

cursive portal
#

disgusting

lone bridge
#

thats insane for ap2 ri

cursive portal
#

imo

pseudo kernel
#

isnt that like epic aphro attack with lvl 15 pp

#

probably higher lvl pp

cursive portal
#

it was like taking candy from a baby

pseudo kernel
#

can confirm

lone bridge
#

or rather taking life from hades

cursive portal
#

except aspho

#

aspho sucked ass

frozen spear
#

like taking candy from chaos shield users

cursive portal
#

I wanna see someone do 62 chaos someday

#

I really dont think my 61 is beatable

pseudo kernel
#

who is gonna do that except for you

frozen spear
#

just pom start with dio special

#

then you bull rush up to stuff and use your special at point blank range for insane damage

#

@cursive portal probably didn't know that tech

pseudo kernel
#

dashing flight with artemis special and hunter dash

#

and heartrend

cursive portal
#

fascinating

pseudo kernel
#

i wonder if any other aspects are gonna clear 60

frozen spear
#

gilga must be close

pseudo kernel
#

yeah probably

quartz mantle
lone bridge
cursive portal
lone bridge
#

that was so sad

flat flicker
lone bridge
#

i still find it hilarious that arthur is tied with nem lol

sweet cypress
#

should i purposefully underaim hera crush shot to get casts back or is it not worth it

lone bridge
#

nah

#

you should be killing things with your casts so they drop anyway

left prism
#

probably worth on high heat

#

cuz hard to kill things

#

tho i dont play hera high heat

lone bridge
#

hera high heat is just bad zag bow i think bouldy

left prism
#

hera heat wr plays like normal iirc

lone bridge
#

what

#

no way

#

angel just plays it like bad zag bouldy

left prism
lone bridge
left prism
#

should've specified unmodded

lone bridge
#

oh

#

well yeah i suppose unmodded does lol

summer basin
#

does anyone primarily play use the fists? do you recommend it or should I be trying to focus on a different weapon

pseudo kernel
#

fists are good

#

if you like them then you should use them

lone bridge
#

not great for heat but if you like them then use them

pseudo kernel
#

not great for like 45+