h1-for-new-players

[viscid notch]

Yup

Spend a key and redistribute darkness

#h1-for-new-players message And read this

[warm isle]

Though I think I will continue to run Golden Touch and save money to buy gems/blood at the last room for a little while longer

[viscid notch]

I do suggest focusing on getting wins and finishing prophecies because that will get you more Titan Blood and Diamond than farming this way, but it's up to you

Unless you're saving all your gold you will most likely get like 20-30 gold at best from Golden Touch

Which is quite low

[warm isle]

I have usually saved all the gold

So I get over the run around 300-700 gold I think

[viscid notch]

Saving Gold means you're not buying upgrades throughout the run so

Your build is technically weaker

[warm isle]

Definitely

[viscid notch]

And you can actually buy the Titan Blood / Diamond if you start saving from like start of Elysium

You dont have to save from the beginning, and you dont need Golden Touch either

[warm isle]

||My reasoning was mostly that I thought it was a relieably way to get titan's blood while getting familiar with the different weapons before delving into higher heats||

But I might be wrong

[viscid notch]

||Heat|| is a spoiler in this channel

[warm isle]

But my reasoning is most likely be wrong though 🙂

I just thought that ||since I am not 100% reliable to beat Hades every run, but I am pretty reliable to get to the last room with over 1200 gold, it was a good strategy until I get reliable to beat Hades||

[viscid notch]

Well, this is just my reasoning from my early experience with the game, so it also might be wrong, and if you keep at whatever you're doing even if it's not optimal you'll probably end up doing it eventually as long as it's reasonable, ||almost everything in the pact is also practice reliant, and you have to get used to it over time such as MM UC BP1/2 EM1/2/3 etc etc, and starting with them one by one gives a decent amount of Heat to keep pushing bounties and getting Titan Blood to upgrade weapons and Diamonds for contracts as opposed to Darkness, although you need a lot of Darkness too and you wont really notice them a lot, like if you take EM1 you'll have a slightly harder Furies fight then the rest is the same, and a lot of other pacts are kinda like that, but yea you can just stick to that, and when you get more consistent at finishing runs you can get into heat, would probably have a more upgraded mirror by then too so both routes are okay||

[warm isle]

That makes a lot of sense, currently I am practising identifying what boons etc ends up with good builds, play speed, and trying to be better at avoiding damage. But what you mentioned is something I want to transition over to practice soon 🙂

[viscid notch]

That's good, builds aren't always the most intuitive, and decision making is also tricky sometimes, so it's good to ask to get an idea, there are some links you can look into, but might have spoilers since you're a bit early in the game

[bright merlin]

which is the best set of the mirror?

[light flame]

Unlock death defiances and bonus health first

[slate finch]

#h1-for-new-players message

[slate briar]

How much minotaur hp do top players like to get? I always prioritise it over all except double boon and hammer but now I'm starting to think I should get it less often

[topaz jasper]

the better you get the less you'll take hearts until the heat starts getting insane

my baseline is 175-200

[muted pivot]

i found when i was starting out that like anything above 250 was mostly unnecessary

[slate briar]

Ok thanks guys. Yeah I'm usually taking way more

But with op builds it feels unnecessary

[polar finch]

at ||40+ heat no routine inspections|| usually 250-350

wait spoiler

[calm imp]

wait what does ||RI|| have to do with the hp

oh wait nvm i read wrong

[polar finch]

[late scarab]

what should i do with my titan blood? do i spend it all on one weapon or my two most used or all of them

[topaz jasper]

I'd spend on the aspect(s) that you like the most and benefit a lot from blood

[digital venture]

i usually unlock all and then dump into the aspects i like the most

[leaden whale]

Man i tell ya if coronacht had flurry shot as a default moveset I'd like it a lot more

[sweet brook]

the power shot for the bow is really strong tho

pair it with a high damaging modifier and you'll be dealing tons of damage

[topaz jasper]

tbh I kinda relate

on my zag bow 32 heat run I was getting ruined by TD3 until I picked up flurry

[junior moon]

is the pierce butterfly keepsake any good?

[topaz jasper]

it's pretty awful

[junior moon]

ok, thanks

[topaz jasper]

there is an achievement for it so it's worth maxing out if you want that

[junior moon]

i guessed as much though

i don't really care about the achievements

[topaz jasper]

then not worth touching at all

[junior moon]

kay

[late scarab]

does it matter how many runs i take in hades
im really bad im at like 7 runs and have only beaten the first boss
i cant get past the lava level thing

[dusty vault]

Doesmt matter

[late scarab]

do i upgrade the rail eris aspect twice or upgrade the bow too
also which one for bow

[calm imp]

dw man it takes a while, but also dw as in improvement is pretty fast in this game at the start

[dusty vault]

Zag bow pretty cheap/chiron wants lvls otherwise you only have like 1 build/hera works well enough at lvl 1 only exception being at bosses

But you can just get quick reload from hermes

[late scarab]

aspect of chiron bow or level two eris rail

[raw mica]

so im new 😛 and did read that the fist weapon is best is that still true ?

[sweet brook]

i've been seeing here that the fists are the worst lmfao

or at least one of the worst

[raw mica]

oke

[viscid notch]

Well it's mostly at the very top end so I wouldnt worry about that now

[maiden ruin]

fist are good but not the best

yeah it doesnt really matter just play it if you like it

[raw mica]

ye im having hard time with first boss XD

[viscid notch]

Chiron kinda wants levels, otherwise it's only really usable with Hangover

Eris is just nuts

[sweet brook]

facts tho
even if everyone says it's bad, just do whatever lmao

[raw mica]

until now did like ares his powers most

[sweet brook]

ares is good with fists only if you're using merciful end

[raw mica]

uhhh

oke

[sweet brook]

do you know what merciful end is lol

[raw mica]

oke

i did die a lot of time and did end up with fists

[late scarab]

how hard is the asphodel boss (im really scared is it hard)

also any tips for the fight

[topaz jasper]

generally considered the easiest with most weapons

keep your distance, don't get greedy since it loves to ground pound which is main source of damage

for now once the mini heads spawn in just dps them down one by one

[late scarab]

it was easy until the second wave of mini heads came 😞

[civic warren]

Armor damaging perks are a godsend against them. Their health is pittance compared to their armor.

(That was not even intentional)

[slate finch]

what

[bright merlin]

||is possible to get battie companion without beating hades any time?||

[steep musk]

yes

[digital venture]

possible to get like most of em if not all i'm sure

[junior moon]

is there a way to get back the titan blood I spent?

[polar finch]

nope

[junior moon]

damn

[frosty girder]

What did you spend the blood on

[eternal zenith]

It took me at least double that if I remember correctly lmao, you're all good.

[full estuary]

I just met thanatos for the first time that was maddness. I cant seem to make it past elisyum but its probably more my fault since i dont like to play with crutches like revives. In my mind i feel if i cant make it all the way to the end without dying it means im not good enough yet, so i avoid all the upgrades that revive myself upon death. I dont mind the punishment as i feel it makes me better at the game in the long run, its also fun seeing my progress grow as i learn more and more.

But wow i was not expecting that kind of a challenge. This game just keeps pulling me back in for another try when i said "this will be the last one today" at the start of the last run

[crimson whale]

I just think of lifes as an extra shield, not as an ultra broken mechanic that makes u win automatically... If u truly dont know the enemies, they will drain whichever quantity of lives u have

[dusty vault]

Dds, like health is just another resource

[crimson whale]

as long as u are enjoying the game it doesnt matter at all

[dusty vault]

I've even used them to enter chaos gates lol

[crimson whale]

Yeah, I also like thinking about health like a resource... Not specifically in Hades but in other games I say "hmmm, I will spend 10 health to get inmunity frames and deal 20 damage to the enemy"

[dusty vault]

Anyways reaching ely without DDs/SD is still impressive

[crimson whale]

yup

[calm imp]

revives are def not crutches

u kind of need them in later parts of the game

but hey u do u

just means u improve more 👍

[viscid notch]

DDs will help you make it to the end more often

Therefore you get to practice more parts of the game

So you improve faster

[calm imp]

o that is true

hes gunna be a god at ely tho

[torpid tapir]

Nyx has a nice comment about how your father's weakness is he doesn't accept help... It's your big advantage over him.

She was talking about Olympian aid, but I think she'd also approve of you using the Mirror of Night to its fullest capacity.

[loud swan]

||Can anyone tell me how to unlock weapon aspects-||

[slate finch]

buy all the weapons

[viscid notch]

Unlock all base Weapons using Keys, do a run to refresh the house seed then you should be able to interact with the weapons and spend titan blood etc

[slate finch]

and get some titan blood by beating meg (and the final boss if you've done that)

[loud swan]

Yes yes i defeated meg and i have Titan blood

[quasi drift]

what can i use codex for

[waxen niche]

Wait if your enter a chaos gate which will kill you do you just die on the spot

[dusty vault]

You cant enter without having the hp necessary

What i mean by that is use the DD in the encounter itself/using traps to regain health

[waxen niche]

Ohh

That's significantly less funny :(

[proud summit]

Quick question: how good is the Arthur aspect??

[slate finch]

very easy to learn

hard to master, though, with all the tech
and even once you do master it it's not that good

dw tho, you can beat the game with every weapon

[junior moon]

bruhh, i'm on 40th something escape attempt and i still haven't beat ||hades||. lmao

[slate finch]

spoiler ||hades||

[junior moon]

oh

[slate finch]

and that's a reasonable pace, i didn't get a clear until 57th

[junior moon]

sorry

[junior moon]

man

i got to him once

then then couldn't get past ||theseus and the minotaur||

[slate finch]

beat asterius first, you don't want to deal with theseus' second phase when he's still around

[junior moon]

thanks

[proven pivot]

if you get a call like Athena's, activate it once the second phase starts actually being a danger, free hits and you can't get hurt

[proud summit]

Tech!?

[junior moon]

ty

[sweet brook]

i think by "tech" he means timing the hits correctly and utilizing the aura

[leaden whale]

so the twin fists are beginner-friendly weapon right?

got my 1st win on them'

[sweet brook]

i think so tbh, relatively straight forward to use with no gimmicks, although it is one of the more riskier weapons to use

just dash striking everything, usually paired with merciful end for big damage

[leaden whale]

I had so much fun with them omg.

[sweet brook]

yeah i used to use them a lot too

[leaden whale]

you guys new players might try them with Zeus attack boon spamming mindlessly with a good call

[topaz jasper]

they're extremely easy to use and deal "good enough" damage at the low end of things

but you should find that other weapons are just superior eventually

[leaden whale]

I think so

[faint umbra]

i know how to play all the weapons now, but fists used to be my absolute favorite, i pretty much played only that once they were added to the game

[leaden whale]

started playing on hell mode almost deleting my save

but after I used some titan bloods on the fists

it sure can dodge

[viscid notch]

Hell mode is pretty rough

[junior moon]

wait, what do most people consider as the best weapon

i'm curious

[leaden whale]

yeah got me 27th runs but before that I couldnt even get pass elysium

[viscid notch]

There isn’t a best really

All the weapons are viable, if you mean kind of the extremes in terms of speedrunning or ||high heat||, you’ll probably find that Rail Bow and Shield are superior than the rest

For speedrunning you can add Spear to that

[junior moon]

man, i'm only really good with spear and fists

[faint umbra]

27 runs sounds really good to me honestly, especially on hell mode i think it took me longer than that to consistently get past meg

[leaden whale]

best for us new players? I would say the twin fists. cos I've tried anything else they didnt click foe me.

[junior moon]

same

[sweet brook]

for new players fists and sword are probably popular

[viscid notch]

It doesn’t matter since you’re probably not at those extremes yet, you eventually get around to learning more weapons and trying more things and you can judge for yourself

[junior moon]

tho i mostly like the fists because of the 900% damage on armour you can get with a hammer

[faint umbra]

that one is probably the best

[viscid notch]

The idea of best weapons is very vague if you rate them across all categories etc

[junior moon]

that makes sense, yeah

[viscid notch]

Wouldnt look into it too much

[sweet brook]

granted some are just straight up not great but if you have fun with it then whatever lol

[viscid notch]

But I’d try all aspects/ weapons regardless

[leaden whale]

well im not sure if i can get my 2nd win soon if I don't use fists.

my worst run was with the rail

I don't understand how it works lol

[junior moon]

my worst was with a the bow i think

[sweet brook]

well, just pick up a different weapon and start learning it
eventually you'll have to do it lol

[leaden whale]

too clumsy too slow

[sweet brook]

unless you want to learn attack patterns then stick with what you're comfy with, but eventually it would be good to learn other weapons

[faint umbra]

i was really bad with the rail but i had to learn it eventually, and now im like okay with it. its still not my favorite and i stick to the same build but i can clear now

[leaden whale]

the bow might be easier with m&k ? I'm using the controller.

[sweet brook]

depends on the aspect i believe, but generally you want zeus attack for room clearing and just pick up every zeus boon you can find i think
i hardly ever use rail so someone else can help with that

[junior moon]

might be true actually, i use controller too and my aim's really bad

[sweet brook]

i thought the autoaim with controller was good

[junior moon]

hm??

[sweet brook]

idk i use kbm, but i remember a lot of people saying how the autoaim in the game was pretty good

[leaden whale]

yeah that s what I did. I picked as many zeus boons as I could cos I think they have cool effects and you know zeus is a baddass.

[junior moon]

i guess

with the rail i was somewhat fine

but the bow i swear i couldn't hit anything

[sweet brook]

well it's like the chain lightning and jolted stuff and whatnot helps, but it's not everyone's cup of tea

well if the autoaim isn't doing you justice, then kbm might help

[junior moon]

true

maybe i'll try it

[leaden whale]

iI tried reading some guides but noone says the same things. I think this is why this game is amazing

like you can design or use whatever you like

[sweet brook]

i mean some builds might end up terribly but if you're good enough you could still make it work lol so that's nice

like idk, poseidon attack with fists is probably terrible because you're punching them out of range lol

[leaden whale]

you might need that hammer boon with longer range attacks

[sweet brook]

yeah maybe but that's still just unreliable

and also there's better attack boons for fist anyway

[leaden whale]

yeah i think so

[sweet brook]

zeus, ares for ME, dionysus

and none of those rely on a specific hammer upgrade so more reliable in general

and also more damage considering poseidon has the lowest damage modifier

[leaden whale]

wow i didnt know this

the game not show any status windows

[full estuary]

@dusty vault

they are just extras shields or heath of course, which is exactly why i dont use them. Not everyone learns / improves in games the same way but for me I get really good at games much faster when i dont have saftey nets to make up for my mistakes in combat. Its the thrill of the grind for me. From bayonetta, to ninja gaiden and others this is just the way i learn

[leaden whale]

guys

Chthonic Vitality lvl3 but only heals 2 hp for me

oh ok now i know

[crimson whale]

idk the name of the boons on english (on my language neither lmao)

[leaden whale]

Hell mode debuff -25% healling effect

[viscid notch]

Yup

[leaden whale]

so not worth upgrading to lvl 3?

[viscid notch]

not worth playing hell mode

[viscid notch]

Probably

[crimson whale]

||I mean... How much heat are u trying to reach?||

||Because I have done 10 heat without even using chtonic vitality so... it really depends on ur playstyle||

||oh wait, hell mode =/= pact of heat?||

[viscid notch]

Should spoiler ||heat|| in this channel

[leaden whale]

now heat 5

[viscid notch]

That’s just hell mode

[leaden whale]

I notice that Hera bow has quicker dashstrike's animation than attack?

[viscid notch]

All bows

[leaden whale]

aha

[viscid notch]

The dash strike charges the attack faster

[leaden whale]

oh ok

[viscid notch]

You should always be dash striking

[leaden whale]

i mean Hera charge quicker than other bows?

idk why

[viscid notch]

It does not

[leaden whale]

alright

[viscid notch]

Back to the thing, Chthonic Vitality is a cool upgrade, it’s consistent healing across rooms but it’s not that big of a deal, there are other things to upgrade first like DDs etc

#h1-for-new-players message

Should read this mirror guide

[leaden whale]

naisu

[quasi drift]

wdym all bows

isnt there only 1 bow in the game

[viscid notch]

There are 4

[quasi drift]

how

do you mean the keepsakes

for the normal bow

[viscid notch]

I mean weapon aspects

You unlock them after buying the rail

[quasi drift]

oh mb mb

[quasi drift]

do you mean the aspects*

ok i get it now thx

[full estuary]

i finally made it to the boss of the 3rd world and got absolutely destroyed I didnt take the spear guy seriously i guess with his posturing and shiny glitry face. I want to fight them again nowwwwwww

i do also love how the game incentivizes rotating through the weapons. really extends the replay factor and gets me to use things i probably wouldnt have bothered with. Im usually not a fan of ranged weapons but the extra shadow gem gain on the bow made me tempted to use it and now i love the thing.

Also Dusa is beyond precious

[quasi drift]

how do i open the 4th aspect of a weapon ?

[junior moon]

oh holy sh-

i no hit the asterius solo-fight

[slate briar]

You need to
|| bond with certain gods, I.e. give them nectar talk to certain gods over time. Iirc artemis, chaos, i forget the others. they will each give you a passcode to say to one of the weapons in skelly's room ||

[dusty vault]

Nectar is not required

Check #h1-story-discussion pins for 4th aspects

[slate briar]

Oh whoops lol! Ignore my unhelpful advice

[slate finch]

#523766792963751936 message
in hades speedrunning discord, neat stuff

[junior moon]

omg

i did it

i escaped for the first time

on my 43rd escape attempt

[eternal zenith]

Nice!

[leaden whale]

I realize that after my 1st win the real game is just starting...

[quasi drift]

what does rod of fishing do

and what exactly is it

i bought it from castle builer and have no clue

[slate finch]

well what do you think it does

[quasi drift]

idk

[dusty vault]

Get fish = trade for resources

[low jay]

no no, rod of fishing is so that the

[sharp ivy]

Hey frens so what do I do when I give max gifts

[quasi drift]

YAYAYY I BEAT HADES

MY FIRST TIMEEE

duck

[civic warren]

Oops.

[dusty vault]

Should spoiler mark that

[quasi drift]

how do i do that

[faint umbra]

||like this||

[quasi drift]

Nvm i beated the second var

im so happy

this made my day

its been like 40 minutes tho how people finish it in 6minutes

[dusty vault]

They are gamers

[civic warren]

You can also highlight it (Click and drag mouse over it on computer) and options will appear above the text

[quasi drift]

|a|

|| a ||

oh its nice

||what is the pact||

i dont get it

|| its my first time beating hades and i got this scroll called the pact ||

[civic warren]

MK so

||Every boss, (Furies, hydra, king and bull, hades) Provides bounties, titans blood, diamond, ambrosia and titans blood respectively. You can only get these once each on every heat level.
At the pact you can make things more difficult to get the bounties again, but only one heat level at a time until you collect them all ergo beat all the bosses.||

[quasi drift]

|| but its already difficult i dont want to make it more difficult ||

|| why do i even need bounties ||

[civic warren]

||To unlock renovations, story bits, eventually for cthonic summons (Friends who will do massive damage for you)||

||Of course upgrading your weapons||

[dusty vault]

||pact is your main source of those resources otherwise the grind for any of them is slooooow||

[civic warren]

^

||You can grind on lvl 0 but I imagine you'll get bored with that quickly enough.||

[quasi drift]

|| okay what condition do you prefer i get first ||

|| i can only choose 1burning skull ||

[slate finch]

||em1|| is fun

||em is "extreme measures"||

[quasi drift]

|| okay thanks i will pick it ||

[dusty vault]

||what was your clear time? If less than 36 mins you can go tight deadline 1||

[slate finch]

that too

[quasi drift]

|| its 42 minutes ||

[civic warren]

||https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/j545ta/pact_of_punishment_guide_for_beginners/||

[quasi drift]

thank you ill read it

[civic warren]

||Damage control is probably easiest, especially if using fists.||

[dusty vault]

I dont agree with some choices but i think we should move to the other channel less spoiler mark

[civic warren]

Which other channel?

[dusty vault]

#h1-discussion

[viscid notch]

not the reddit again

Just ask or read #h1-high-heat-strategies pins

[slate finch]

||damage control|| is not good unless you're using certain aspects

and even then it's only for ||20 heat|| and above i'd say

[turbid nexus]

||Extreme Measures 1 is nice because it only [marginally] increases the difficulty of the first boss then the rest of the run is the same.
Convenience Fee was another early favorite because it encourages you to stop leaning on the shop as much and get better at picking your boon rooms. ||

[civic warren]

?

[quasi drift]

i think its okay the conversation finished anyways

|| why are all 3 furias here man cmonnn ||

[calm imp]

if u get used to it its not too bad

||em2 is basically free heat if u get used to it, em3 is a good bit harder even if u get used to it, and em4 is uhdkxksmd||

[turbid nexus]

You’ll get used to it faster than you think

[proven pivot]

||Em4 is just not worth doing most of the time imo. Especially not with fists||

[loud swan]

How do i use my || titan blood for smh||

Like i just have it but i dunno what it is for

[turbid nexus]

I wouldn’t worry about it too much until you’ve beaten the final boss

||You use Titan Blood to upgrade your weapons, their “aspects.” While you could obtain enough to fully upgrade the base aspect of one weapon relatively easily before beating the final boss, most of the base aspects aren’t that great except for the Bow imo.
After beating the final boss you have a means of getting more of it. ||

Select a weapon once to equip it. Select the weapon in the stand again to see the “aspects” available.

[dusty vault]

To unlock aspects you need to u lock all weapons in 1st place

[turbid nexus]

oh right keep forgetting that part

[modest mist]

Is the Gun a really cheap way to win?

I just got my first ever consecutive run and it seems to be mostly because I start with Zeus Attack Boon with the Gun and then it's just a snowball from that point on

Is it an easy weapon? Am I just decent with it? Should I worry about any wins being invalid or just focsu on the fun?

[slate finch]

there are no cheap ways to win in hades

[tired osprey]

^

[slate finch]

when the whole point of playing casually is to have fun, the more overpowered you get the better, get the silliest highroll builds you can, or some more consistent builds, it doesn't matter

the devs have done a very good job at making sure that (while some are easier than others) no build is boring

just play, have fun, win, that's what matters

[steep musk]

you cant cheat this game really

[modest mist]

thanks folks :)

i was just feeling a bit strange because i've got my first 2x wins and both were Zeus w/ thunder attack and it felt like Iw as guaranteed a win at that point from the very start.

[steep musk]

what did the rest of your build look like out of curiosity

[calm imp]

u can always ||make ur run harder via heat|| if u feel like ur cheesing the game

[sweet brook]

if you want to cheese the game take all revenge boons lmao

[modest mist]

I'll try and get it but the main deal was, I think,
Hermes: Huge Speed Boost and Dodge Chance on Call
Aphrodite: Charm Call
Zeus: Lightning Bolt on Attack

[sweet brook]

i think the only boons that matter if you're using zeus attack on rail are all the zeus boons like jolted, double strike and whatnot

[modest mist]

actually question about jolt

I don't understand it

Is it like Doom but it can attack other enemies? should I prioritize jolt If I have Lighting Bolt Attack?

[tired osprey]

jolted damages enemies when they attack

the enemy that is jolted only hurts themselves

and yeah I'd always take jolted if possible

[modest mist]

hmm i see okay

I've been going for the zeus attack only when upgrading (and its been a choice between the two)

[loud swan]

What gods should i rely most on when im doing a run with my shield

[rain crow]

depends on the shield, but you cant go wrong with aphro and artemis attack and special, oh and poseidons dash is pretty great too

[quasi drift]

|| i need the fated list for varatha 4th aspect, how do i get it ||

[faint umbra]

buy it from the contractor. I believe you need to have gotten a duo boon for it to show up there

[sharp ivy]

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I got so close to beating ||hades|| on my first try I'm so mad at myself

Litteral sliver of health ):

[dusty vault]

The reason to pom jolted is cause it has a better pom scaling and to abuse the fact the rail cant stun enemies

So you get more jolted procs than on something like fists for example

[viscid notch]

A lot of your damage later on is just Jolted

So yea pom that

And maybe get other sources of damage like Zeus or Dio call

[pliant juniper]

does TD timer pause when there arent enemies on the screen?

[viscid notch]

Do you mean if enemies are spawning?

[pliant juniper]

i mean does the timer count down when you are picking a room, in a ? room, in the shop etc

or just when you are fighting

[viscid notch]

The timer pretty much pauses when:
You're in a Story (?) room
You're in a Survival Room
You're in a Thanatos encounter
You're picking up a boon/pom/hammer
When your game is loading aka when you choose a room and Zag is entering it etc
When you're in Dialogue

And when you pause the game

A good habit that people learn later is pausing when making decisions

For that reason

[pliant juniper]

ok. i've always been hesitant to try it because my runs are all like 45 mins but maybe it's not so bad

[viscid notch]

The timer has some pressure to it, it will push you to go faster, and with enough practice and solid builds your room clearing is gonna become more efficient and your bosses are gonna get better etc so you'll get used to it eventually

[eternal vessel]

should i spend my titans blood in the order of hidden talent

[calm imp]

wdym?

upgrade the aspects u like

[eternal vessel]

i read that in order to unlock the hidden talent you need to spend 5 titan bloods on spear sword shield bow gun then claw

[eternal vessel]

what aspect do you reccomend

[calm imp]

if u wanna unlock hiddens

#h1-story-discussion message

[calm imp]

i liked hera when i first started

[eternal vessel]

furthest ive gotten is with a shield special+doom

[calm imp]

its rlly good even in the lower levels

[eternal vessel]

i got to ||hades' 1st stage||

[calm imp]

o

shield is rlly good

hidden aspect of shield is rlly fun, and a lot of ppl like it

[eternal vessel]

also how do you get more titan blood with the same weapon

[calm imp]

uhm

beat the game and then u will find out

just focus on beating the game rn

it opens up a whole new world

[eternal vessel]

ooh ok

[calm imp]

world as in figuratively dont mean an another biome

[viscid notch]

[calm imp]

well

ok yk ill be quiet

[eternal vessel]

do you need a high aspect of hera lvl for it to be good

[viscid notch]

nope

[eternal vessel]

is it good straight off the bat

[viscid notch]

yup

[calm imp]

just slap aphro cast on it and ur good

[eternal vessel]

what is the best aspect to get early for each weapon and what do you think is the best of all of them

[slate finch]

please spoiler ||hades|| and ||first stage||

[slate finch]

fists get demeter
shield get zeus
spear get achilles

completely personal preference to the rest of them
plus you can you the zagspects which are also pretty good on things aside from sword and spear

[eternal vessel]

ok ty

[slate finch]

that did not spoiler it properly, you need to put two sets of lines around it (|| on each side ||)

oh good

[eternal vessel]

yeah fixed it

[eternal vessel]

oh yeah if i've used the normal bow to get ||titans blood|| can i get it again with hera

[slate finch]

nope

[eternal vessel]

aw dang

[slate finch]

https://i.imgur.com/NP6KN7I.png

here it is

[calm imp]

hestia 😩🙏

u need a lot of titans blood to make hestia good tho so 😔

prob not an early game thing

i remember just getting level 1 hestia and thinking this weapon is trash

[eternal vessel]

whats the best cast boon for hera

[calm imp]

aphro

but most work well enough

[eternal vessel]

later on can you farm/get infinite boss ||drops||

[late scarab]

is rocket bomb and cluster bob good together

i have cluster bomb but idk whether to get flurry fire rocket bomb or seeking fire

[viscid notch]

Rocket

[dusty vault]

Clockets

[lapis parcel]

Sockets

But yeah I’d go with clockets lol

[late scarab]

how hard is the elysium boss

[lapis parcel]

It’s a roadblock at the start. Focus on Asterius (the bull) first and kill him before Theusus

Look out for Theusus’s spear, dodge like you would with the bowmen

[calm imp]

theusus’s shield is rlly annoying

but dont rush it

dont waste ur dashes, dash at the right times for his spear throw

[dusty vault]

If you have clockets and any % special they shouldnt be a problem anyway

[late scarab]

yeah i have 3 of athenas one

how much health should I have for the fight? i have like 270 lmao

[dusty vault]

More than enough lmao

[late scarab]

i went overboard lmao

[dusty vault]

The tl;dr on why is cluster + rocket is so broken is that the downside of cluster doesmt apply with rocket

[late scarab]

oh damn

[dusty vault]

So you end up having 400 base dmg if all 5 hit

[late scarab]

do i get artemis of another 25 health

from charon

[dusty vault]

You have an special boon already?

The "flourish" ones

[late scarab]

yeah athenas

level 3

[dusty vault]

the health then

[late scarab]

alr
also before i go to the boss how do i know when hes abt to shoot the spear

is there any indicator

[dusty vault]

Yeah

There is a mark on you that gets birghter when about to shoot

Is like the archers

[late scarab]

ok bull guy si dead

omg i beat him on 3 health

thanks for the tips

do i keep ambrosia

[slate finch]

yes, you'll need it later

[late scarab]

help i beat the temple
what happens after

[slate finch]

you fight a bossfight

like all the other areas

[late scarab]

ah

[eternal vessel]

Later on can you get infinite/farm boss ||Drops||

[red copper]

Soooo

My sole focus should be on completing my first escape, and then worry about other things right?

[slate finch]

generally

[round umbra]

Today I got my friend and fellow coworker to play Hades for the first time. He went in blind and got to Theseus and Asterius on his 4th run... something that took me at least 3 times as many tries. I wish I was a better gamer lol

[junior moon]

Wait what

I have Demeter's keepsake

but got Poseidon's boon

[sweet brook]

if the poseidon boon is a legendary for fishing, then that's just a plot thing and will only happen that one time

[junior moon]

Oh ok

ty

[sweet brook]

np

the one you got is the legendary right

because if it isn't then it's a different issue lol

[loud swan]

Whats fishing

How do i get it

[junior moon]

yeah

[junior moon]

you get the rod of fishing from the house contractor

[untold ravine]

that was the easiest way to get the achievement imo

to purge a legendary boon

[drowsy steeple]

whats the best build for begginer gun

[untold ravine]

anything with divine dash

[loud swan]

||everyone is talking about demeter but i havent even met her once...last run i made it till theseus and the minotaur...is there smh im missing?||

[viscid notch]

You have to make it to the surface

[loud swan]

Okay tysm

Also what are some gods i can rely on while im on sword

[quasi drift]

|| what is erebus gate. i know where erebus is cuz i fought with charon but what does erebus gate do ||

[quasi drift]

|| i have the aspect of guan yu, i invested 5 titan blood into bows, but artemis never talked to me about the new aspect. Why is that||

[viscid notch]

There is a big dialogue pool with the gods so there is some rng to it

She'll talk about it eventually

[quasi drift]

okay ill wait then

[frozen parrot]

||Basically you have to escape the underworld first: you unlock your pact of punishment. You can go to the house contracter to unlock an erebus gate. I won't tell you any more about this exept it requires you to have a certain number of punishments (or "heat") to enter.||

[quasi drift]

||i already escaped a few times and seen it in the house constructor, i was just wondering if 5 bone hydra gems were worth it. i bought it now and grinding for more bounties||

[frozen parrot]

It is worth it

You just can't take damage but you get a better upgraded award

[loud swan]

?

[viscid notch]

What sword aspect are you using

[loud swan]

Nemesis

[viscid notch]

You can do the usual Crit Build, start with Artemis and take her Attack to increase your crit chance and look for Aphrodite, ideally you want her Special but Dash can work too, afterwards look for Heartrend (their duo), any form of scaling through Chaos so Attack or Dash strike damage, Hermes +dashes or RD, Hunter Dash + Mark from Artemis etc you can just wing it from there, a nice Call like Zeus is also pretty good to have, this build really want Double Edge
Merciful End is your other option, it's very strong and safe, start with Ares and take his attack, ideally you dont want a common Ares attack but it works, look for Athena afterwards, you want her Special to unlock the Duo boon, then later on her Dash to insta proc Doom, and Impending Doom from Ares to make it stronger, Hermes and Chaos are the same as the other build, always good to have, this build is less reliant on Double Edge because Doom is a big portion of your damage, if offered it's obviously still the strongest option

A solid overall build to go for is start Heartbreak or ||Frost|| strike, ideally not common, their status effects are good for survivability, Aphro is a bigger % and also has nicer duos, worth mentioning, look for Athena afterwards for Special and maybe Dash or Call later, that pretty much sums up your build, really wants Dedge too, you see this often at high heat because it's safe and doesnt need too many boons, any form of extra scaling you can get is always nice, this build is gonna be overall less damage than the other 2 I mentioned by quite a bit, due to not shooting for duos and not caring too much about extra scaling, again, not really meant for speedrunning etc (altho it's possible if you get enough good things to ramp up your damage), it's just a nice non-demanding build, because resetting to get the things you want with the other 2 can be tiring

[calm imp]

holy god damn

[loud swan]

Tysm for the info also what does per rank and per chamber mean

[sharp mauve]

was about to ask for a nemesis build so thanks

[loud swan]

|| ive been on the grind i got Athena on my dash, artemis on the special and ive aphro's dying lament, i dunno how im doin rn but i got through alecto...i couldnt find Artemis's attack boon tho..do i have a chance of getting heart rend?...||

[viscid notch]

What do you mean? Like where are you seeing this

[viscid notch]

The codex can show you the requirements for the duo boons, you have the Artemis core but you don’t have the Aphro one apparently so no it cant be offered yet, if you see an Aphro try to take her Attack

[loud swan]

on the mirror

[loud swan]

damn but arent ares attacks better tho...btw will i have the chance of replacing attacks later on?

[viscid notch]

Oh, the rank thing is just essentially telling you how much the next level will give you, so Chthonic vitality for example is +1 per rank aka per level so it goes 1 health per chamber then 2 then 3

[loud swan]

level?

what does it do

[viscid notch]

Like when you upgrade it using Darkness

[loud swan]

i have it maxed

ohh i got it

[viscid notch]

Yea then the +x per rank part is irrelevant now

[loud swan]

ok ok

[viscid notch]

Ares attack is mostly gonna be better in an ME build, if on its own it’s not strictly better than % boosts on Nemesis specifically

[loud swan]

ME?

[viscid notch]

Merciful End, the Ares Athena Duo, explained in that paragraph I sent above

[loud swan]

oh i see tyty

[viscid notch]

Attack replaces are a small chance to be offered

You shouldnt rely on them

[loud swan]

damn so after getting heart rend i will have too look for athena and ares attack or special

[viscid notch]

So make sure that when you pick up something it’s suitable for what you’re doing because getting rid of it and getting another attack again and pomming it etc it’s just a hassle

[viscid notch]

It’s a different build, you cant go for both in the same run

[loud swan]

oh i see

ty mate

also is athena on dash ok?

[viscid notch]

If you look at the Left where your core slots are, you can only have 1 boon in each slot, and these are what open Duos too so yea shooting for multiple duos either requires very specific gods and cores or is just too much work and not worth going for in the same run

[viscid notch]

Athena on Dash is very solid overall, extra strong on melee weapons

[loud swan]

ty

ig i will stck with artemis aphro for now then

look for heart rend

[viscid notch]

Yea that works, it does really like Double Edge but it’s good aside from that

Also just to make sure, since I havent talked about this for some reason, but your sword rotation should be something like Special > x2 Dash strikes

Only

[loud swan]

lemme add u

[viscid notch]

No standing attacks etc

And throw a cast at armored enemies and bosses especially

[loud swan]

btw i didnt get duble edge

i got smh else

double edge wasnt even there then

[viscid notch]

If you don’t get Double Edge you can take Piercing Wave or Breaching Slash

Aside from that all other hammers for Sword are either inconsequential or actually harmful

[loud swan]

okay i will keep an eye out

okay ty

[viscid notch]

And yea do stay aware of this

If you’re not playing sword like this then the builds I mentioned wont be very good and will feel underwhelming

[loud swan]

ohh i got breaching slash alr god damn

[viscid notch]

That’s nice

It shreds armor

[loud swan]

ight the boon display on the left is quite informative ngl

[viscid notch]

Yup

[uneven fable]

Looking for a spoiler-free answer on ambrosia gifting… if I go too far with someone, might I be prevented from going further someone else?

[slow ferry]

Nah you never lock yourself out of anything

[uneven fable]

Great, thx!

[eternal vessel]

How do people deal so much damage and have so many boons

like i cant seem to reach it

[slow ferry]

Different gods do better on different weapons

Slow weapons like % increase, fast weapons like + increase

[viscid notch]

Also having a full mirror and all keepsakes helps you get builds more consistently

[dusty vault]

About the amount of boons dark foresight in the mirror helps a lot

[eternal vessel]

so ive unlocked night mirror upgrades up to dark foresight. what upgrades should i prioritize maxing first

[calm imp]

fated is always good

its expensive tho

[eternal vessel]

not there yet 😦

[calm imp]

o unlocked

death defiances are rlly good, dark foresight is rlly good, greater relax is rlly good

[eternal vessel]

oh alr ty

[calm imp]

infernal soul is rlly good for cast builds

[eternal vessel]

btw do you know how to get the codex feature where you can see the olympian boons

cause in the fandom it says you unlock it after fated list of minor prophecies

but i dont see it

[calm imp]

achilles will give it to u

in sometime

[eternal vessel]

when

ooh alr

[calm imp]

tbh idk, but it will come up

so just keep talking to him between runs

[eternal vessel]

do you mean the codex or the boons feature

[calm imp]

wdym boons feature

?

[dusty vault]

Upgrade to see boon list

[eternal vessel]

how

[dusty vault]

• requisites

[calm imp]

is that a upgrade? ._. i dont remember

[eternal vessel]

upgrade wher?

[dusty vault]

Yeah lol

Is work order

[calm imp]

o

[dusty vault]

Idk how to make it available tho

[eternal vessel]

the only prerequisite in the wiki is fated list

and i have it unlocked

[dusty vault]

Its just one that alway appear for me just playing

[calm imp]

^^

[eternal vessel]

alr then

[calm imp]

theres prob no way u miss it or skip it

so just keep playing

[dusty vault]

If you feel you are missing smth yet you have all its requisites the common answer is just do more runs

[eternal vessel]

hmm

[loud swan]

@viscid notch whenever i get a pom what should i prioritise attack or special

[calm imp]

depends what build

and what weapon

[loud swan]

Sword artemis aphro build

[calm imp]

attack

[loud swan]

Okayy

[calm imp]

artemis is on attack right

[loud swan]

Yes

[viscid notch]

When it comes to Nem crit build it’s not a very pom hungry build, the cores don’t really pom well

But yea your attack or dash is usually what you pom

Or flat damage

[loud swan]

I couldn't even get heart rend or chaos boons last 2 runs

[viscid notch]

If you happen to get Zeus’ Aid or something

[loud swan]

Oh i see

I think athena dash on sword is better than any other dash

[calm imp]

smoldering air with zeus call is always rlly good

yeah def

hunters dash also works but is riskier

[loud swan]

Also i just wanna know

[viscid notch]

It’s strong

For crit Nem Hunter dash is probably ideal in that slot yea

[loud swan]

|| ive seen some speedrunnners able to change the boon options how do i do it?||

Or is it not possible for me rn

[calm imp]

mirror

the last upgrade

[loud swan]

What wait

Which one again

[calm imp]

fated per

[loud swan]

Oh man i have to upgrade my mirror

[calm imp]

mirror is extremely good

[loud swan]

Should ve gone for that first hand

Ig i will focus on my runs for resources rn

[calm imp]

focus on beating the game once

and then resources if u want to

[loud swan]

Ight T_T

[modest mist]

I'm going to use spoiler tags because I'm not too sure where I can ask this.
||I unlocked the Erebus Gates and am a bit confused by them. From what I understand, you need to have Heat to access them, but is that head accumulated or do you have to have say, 15 heat in that current run to be able to access Elysium's erebus gate?||

[dusty vault]

||current run needs to have 15 heat||

[modest mist]

Oh jesus.

Okay, thanks.

What exactly is in there? I don't really want to put myself [as a new player] through a bit more than I can chew for a reward that may not be worth it.

[dusty vault]

You get double rewards like the mini bosses doors in styx

Just that instead is a ||no hit challenge||

[vocal wasp]

hahhahaha so funny

[little coral]

question, im struggling rn

so im trying to unlock the aspect of guan yu

but idk what to do, i have 5 titan blood in one of my weapons already (bow has 2nd aspect maxed)

[viscid notch]

Check pins in #h1-story-discussion

And spoiler the name of the aspect in this channel

[little coral]

wait unlock? like 1 titan blood in each?

[viscid notch]

Yes, unlock = spend titan blood

[little coral]

pain, if i had known i would not have spent all my titan blood maxing the 2nd aspect for the bow

[viscid notch]

There could be a lot of dialogue for you to get there, since Achilles talks a lot , ||and Guan Yu is also a tough to play aspect at low level so just take your time, you'll get more Titan blood and unlock it eventually||

[loud swan]

@viscid notch i need a shield build zag aspect

[slate finch]

charged shot (hammer) heartbreak strike

[loud swan]

I hardly get charged shot but i will try ig

[fresh current]

The reward is a boosted version of any given room reward, and you’ll be able to see what it is from the icon. What they really come down to is extreme risk/great reward. Your wager is losing an entire room’s worth of rewards if you’re hit a single time. If you can perfect the room though, and you like what’s on offer, it can be worth the roll of dice

[slate finch]

it's the thing that makes zag shield good, very important for its builds

[loud swan]

Pk

Okay

[slate finch]

also do standing attack>charged shot instead of dash attack>charged shot
it lets your charged shots come out way faster

[fresh current]

Floors one and two can be advisable if you feel confident in your kit and in your play. Floor 3 is a scam though. Even if the reward is great, by the time you get to elysium the gate will swarm you with adds and you’re almost guaranteed to get hit

[loud swan]

👀

[fresh current]

It’s like hitting on 17. Not necessarily always a good idea, but can reap good to great rewards though

[loud swan]

I was wondering if zeus and athena r gd on shield

[slate finch]

if you do floor 3 ||erebus gates|| prepare to have a ||butterfly ball|| spawn on top of you and instantly ruin it

[fresh current]

^^^^^

Literally that’s what you’re up against

1 and 2 are an honest gamble. 3 is a scam unless you’re already so godlike and broken that you probably don’t need what’s in there

[slate finch]

also if you get a centaur heart in an erebus gate it's better than pretty much anything else

except eury and pat

[fresh current]

Pretty sure god boons have actual weighted results from the gates too

[slate finch]

and not if you're speedrunning ofc

[slate finch]

yeah rarity is upgraded iirc

[fresh current]

Don’t quote me on that but I believe that’s one of the few exceptions that does straight up “upgrade” rarity luck

[slate finch]

well i mean a lot of things do that

[fresh current]

So if you see that thicc aphro juice you’re after it could be worth it

[slate finch]

you got the things from the wells, that poseidon duo that makes every boon epic, refreshing nectar

and that's just guaranteed rarity upgrades

[fresh current]

That’s what I was on about

And yeah that’s basically the list right there. Not too many items just straight up boost luck that broadly iirc

Idk it’s been a while since I’ve read the descriptions. I just remember it being full of language with hidden meaning because of course sg enjoys making abominably complex stat modifier systems then not say much about them 🙃 so don’t quote me too hard

[dusty vault]

They are the same as a mini boss boon

[dusty vault]

Also keepsakes/mirror also boost your chances

[sterile lantern]

just finished the aspects prophecy and got 6 more diamonds

are there any work orders that are like super worth it or are they best saved for quests?

still haven't bought darker thirst, brilliant gems, vintage nectar, fated keys, vanquishers keep, or erebus

[dusty vault]

Fated keys and nectar are great

[sterile lantern]

feel like there's no use for keys anymore so I tend to just switch those doors anyways lol

nectar seems like a good pick tho

[dusty vault]

You are using fated authority?

[sterile lantern]

yeah

[rocky iris]

never used fated authority

[dusty vault]

Persuasion is generally stronger

[sterile lantern]

need to use all the mirror things anyways

[dusty vault]

And fated keys gives you rolls for your current die equipped

[sterile lantern]

would use persuasion but don't have enough darkness atm to even +1

[dusty vault]

Reset your mirror and re invest on it

[sterile lantern]

ah but ehhh that's a lotta work lol

[dusty vault]

Reset gives darkness back

[sterile lantern]

ik I've done it twice I think

[rocky iris]

Sure but being able to re roll boons can save in a pinch

[sterile lantern]

agreed but I might as well just farm some more darkness this next run

[rocky iris]

eh no need to rest just get the darkness

[sterile lantern]

exactly

[rocky iris]

It took me ages but i did max out the mirror

but also i get what somenoob means

[dusty vault]

Persuasion is expensive so thats why i mentioned it

[rocky iris]

cause its gonna take you ages from the last 2

its just expensive

[sterile lantern]

alright sure why not

have 43 keys anyway burning a hole in my pocket

[rocky iris]

yeah

[sterile lantern]

still have no idea how I can win with stubborn defiance or ruthless reflex lmao

[dusty vault]

Ruthless isnt that bad on shield

Bullrush gives a lot of movement

[sterile lantern]

that's true

[rocky iris]

ruthless reflex with fists

[dusty vault]

And on casual play i feel the bow too

[rocky iris]

so nice

[sterile lantern]

trying to catch my first dub with blade today

did my first bow yesterday

[rocky iris]

what aspects you got?

[sterile lantern]

the first three

[rocky iris]

oooh

[dusty vault]

About stubborn defiance
Just gotta practice cleaner boss fights/learn about athena dds tricks or pray to patty

[rocky iris]

well if you dont want to use blade go with 3rd one

[sterile lantern]

for the most part I just cross-reference this https://www.leereamsnyder.com/blog/hades-build-guide

alright ye that worked out pretty well with +2 persuasion

[topaz jasper]

@sterile lantern get all the blue laurel boosts right away

with persuasion I'd say keys -> nectar -> darkness -> gems, otherwise nectar -> keys -> ...

[sterile lantern]

sure I think I have/had some of those before the reset

does anything trigger Chaos saying something like "I summon you" when a portal opens? like it doesn't mean anything special?

[topaz jasper]

nope just rng flavor

[viscid notch]

Nope

[sterile lantern]

and I mean he's saying it before I've even gone in

alright cool

[topaz jasper]

I'm referring to the work orders since you got some gems

[sterile lantern]

maybe the rng pushed it that way since I started with egg this run lol

[sterile lantern]

ah I see

still got 4 left over so maybe when I get back

[topaz jasper]

erebus is also a decent perk

apparently it'll actually help you even if you never take any of the gates since it has a chance of landing on blue laurel room, which means it transforms it into gold laurel

[viscid notch]

Who said that

[topaz jasper]

uh someone in #h1-high-heat-strategies

[viscid notch]

Hmm okay

[topaz jasper]

#h1-high-heat-strategies message

[jagged jungle]

im torn between zeus and charon’s keepsakes
both tier one
which do I use
ping me if you answer since I cant respond right away sorry

[polar finch]

depends on what weapon/aspect youre using

also which zone youre in

[solar cave]

Hello

I finnaly got to the temple of styx yesterday and now my best run is on the hades bossfight,I was so happy I thought I beat him but he has a second phase.Is there any tips I can get? ( Im using the orpheus keepsake ) I like using the varatha weapon and it is now a rare weapon ( lvl 3 on titan blood )

oh yeah btw I like just not spending gold and stocking to 1000 so I can get a diamond

trying to get the administrative room contract

[topaz jasper]

you should prioritize beating him first off

this means don't try to buy the meta currency or whatever, spend your gold on stuff that'll help you win

also don't use orpheus's keepsake because it's awful in styx and really everywhere, instead use acorn, tooth, collar, or spearpoint

[solar cave]

alright thanks

[dusty vault]

If you want a diamond try to kill the hydra with a weapon you havent yet

[sharp ivy]

Yeppers

[sudden light]

Tbh I just always use the shield

[frosty girder]

Also when the final boss does the laser attack you can hug up to him and not get hit.

[solar cave]

sounds......

like family bonding

:)

[frosty girder]

[polar finch]

[sharp mauve]

Ahh the power of fatherly love

[solar cave]

3 death defiances on the hades fight

Hopium

[elfin nova]

just take it slow and dont stress

[solar cave]

UHHH PHASE 2 3 DEATH DEFIANCE

YESSSS

I DID IT

LETS GOOOOOOO

[solar cave]

Hey uhh

What is pact of punishment

And why is there so much text on it

[proven pivot]

||It's how you increase difficulty and get more items.|| And a spoiler in this room I believe

[frosty girder]

Spoiler plz

||It is just a difficulty increase basically||

||Which restocks bounties each time you increase it||

[solar cave]

Oh cool

Thanks

[quasi drift]

||what does the aspect of rama do||

|| and who can i give my ambrosia to and how can i give it ||

|| and what are favors ||

[quiet walrus]

chaos dialogue question ||can chaos dialogue trigger 2 times in the same run? i need hidden shield aspect and after 1st dialogue it automaticly send me to boon choose screen without dialogue is it just bad rng or u can to talk to him once in every run?||

[quiet walrus]

||schockwave shots plus special is series of straight shots||

[dusty vault]

Only 1 dialogue for run, also *them

[quiet walrus]

Nyx reffers to chaos as him

[craggy sundial]

No

Nyx refers to chaos as them

[steep musk]

no

she doesnt refer to them as him

[topaz jasper]

not once homie

[sweet brook]

the wiki says "them"

[quiet walrus]

maybe but translate sry

[steep musk]

oh are you playing a different language

[quiet walrus]

yup

[steep musk]

that makes sense actually

yeah in english they only use them

makes sense, the primordial universe doesnt really need gender

[quiet walrus]

can i call them him? like im now used to calling chaos as him

[steep musk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

people will probably correct you but nothing stops you

they probably wouldnt care tbh

[leaden whale]

Should I rewrote the mirror of night?

I am new to the game

I have made it to the Third boss

[topaz jasper]

refunding mirror is really cheap since keys aren't very relevant beyond early game

so feel free to experiment with mirror

[leaden whale]

I just figured I would do it and now I understand how it works

Thanks for the help though

[calm imp]

yeah keys r like useless after some time

only things that r rlly important with keys is unlocking more mirror and unlocking weapons

[sharp mauve]

and

trade

[quasi drift]

|| what are favors||

|| and who do i give my ambrosia to ||

[viscid notch]

They’re sort of quests that NPCs want you to do to unlock their locked heart

Once you do that you can give them Ambrosia

You can check the wiki

[full estuary]

Am i the only one that stumbles upon a really really good and fun build, but then gets way way too overconfident and aggresive then winds up dying and regretting not being more careful

[sweet brook]

that's normal lol

[proven pivot]

Yeah that's normal

[raven tendon]

that is pretty much how i play every run, confidence and swagger, it only smarts when i lose to the boss in Elysium.

[leaden whale]

What are the best non hidden aspects for each weapon

[elfin nova]

chiron bow is my favorite

but you need to level up it quite a bit before it gets really good

hera is really good right away and only really gets better against bosses when you level it up

[viscid notch]

It's tough to say,
For Swords Nemesis and Poseidon are both solid, Sword is a difficult to play weapon, takes a lot of practice, Nemesis is usually considered the stronger of the two
For Spears, Achilles has a lot of versatility and it's very easy to play, Hades spear is solid but has some hammer reliance and even when you do get the hammer(s) it can be quite underwhelming still, Zag Spear is just average, with hammers it either becomes a weaker version of Achilles or a weaker version of Hades Spear
For Bows they're all quite good to be honest, and they play very differently so just take your pick
For Shields, Zeus is the strongest among the base 3, it wont require hammers, it's somewhat intuitive but when you get into it a bit more you realize it's quite complex and not easy to play but it's worth the effort to learn the fundamentals of it atleast
For Fists, Demeter is above of the other 2 aspects, the insta burst on command is quite nice to have, and the buffs that the other aspects offer dont really compare
For Rails, Eris and Hestia are the go-tos, they're also very different in terms of playstyle so again, take your pick
This is not to say that some aspects are bad and to not invest in them, you should still explore all of the weapons and give each of them a fair try before deciding how good it is for you, but it's mostly just a vague idea of what's best based on experienced players' opinions and on certain leaderboards etc

[half lagoon]

any tips on how to get the waking phrase for Beowulf?

[calm imp]

spoiler

but uh just go to chaos as much as u can

[viscid notch]

Check pins in #h1-story-discussion

[half lagoon]

i know that but how rare is it?

[calm imp]

its pretty common, i remember getting it with my second try

[half lagoon]

on my 10th

[calm imp]

maybe its cuz i didnt care about hiddens until i had like 15 runs done

[half lagoon]

i got the beowulf waking phrase

time to grind blood for beobug

[slate finch]

beo doesn't even need that much blood it's good at level 1

beo best

[half lagoon]

ive got 0 blood

lmfao

[slate finch]

oh makes sense

[half lagoon]

whats the easiest ||heat modifier||?

[slate finch]

what do you mean by that?

if you mean single point, probably extreme measures 1

but in terms of the entire modifier in general, probably tight deadline

actually tight deadline 1 might be the easiest single point

[muted pivot]

ehhhh i think for first heat em1 is easier but td is definitely easiest if youve played a bit more

considering most peoples first wins are like over 40 minutes

[steep musk]

spoiler ||heat|| stuff

[half lagoon]

whoops sorry

[sweet brook]

i always thought ||jury summons|| were the easiest if you could consistently clear the rooms, it does allow more room for error but it was always easiest for me compared to ||em1||

[slate finch]

no js is hard

esp with tight deadline

and it makes erebus gates wayyy harder

[sweet brook]

well if it's just a singular ||heat|| modifier then it's really not that bad if you dont find yourself struggling to clear rooms

[slate finch]

hl1 is way better than js1

[sweet brook]

compared to ||em1|| which is a much harder boss fight with different things to watch out for

[slate finch]

it's not much harder it's barely harder at all

[sweet brook]

i mean that's fair, but starting out i wouldn't want to take a debuff even if it would be easier

[topaz jasper]

I see what bananas means

JS is 1 heat that doesn't really do much from 0 -> 1

but snowballs really badly

EM1 changes the fight pretty significantly and forces you to learn it

obviously at higher heat EM1 doesn't snowball, and experience can negate the effects of EM1 but not JS1

[muted pivot]

for 1 heat? no, you really dont need to learn the fight

[topaz jasper]

idk it was a mild learning curve for me

watching out for that triple line attack especially

[muted pivot]

yeah idk i mean its very tankable if youre just doing 1 heat tbh

[topaz jasper]

but by learning curve I just mean that you can learn to make it not an issue but you can't learn how to remove the effects of extra spawns

[muted pivot]

i think i lost a dd the first time and then every time after i was fine

[topaz jasper]

I mean same

although sometimes alecto's blades are on some serious bs

lost a few 50s to the effects of EM1 specifically

[muted pivot]

but js just makes the game more annoying for 1 heat

[topaz jasper]

no doubt

[muted pivot]

id take a much more difficult run over a marginally more annoying one

[topaz jasper]

I still vastly prefer it over CP since it can even kinda buff guan yu

and having more enemies to destroy is just more fun than making them all tankier

[muted pivot]

true

but i mean theres so many better options before picking either

[topaz jasper]

tbh JS3 might be something I start taking on casual runs

blowing up more stuff is fun if it won't screw you over

[muted pivot]

what is wrong with you

[topaz jasper]

lmao only on some aspects I swear

some JS3 chaos +JS rooms with beo were so much fun

of course then you get stuff spawning late in styx and tanking your TD

[muted pivot]

ok i can imagine itd be fine on beo but like itd just be a chore on other aspects

[topaz jasper]

yeah beo I honestly didn't really notice JS outside of styx

even on 50

especially with cshot, no cshot beo can't handle JS as well

[vocal socket]

Hi everyone, I'm new to speedrun on Hades and I'm looking for some advices. Am I in the right place or is there a speedrun oriented server discord?

(excuses my english, i'm french 😅 )

[faint umbra]

there is a server dedicated to speedrunning hades, the link is pinned in #self-promotion

[vocal socket]

many thanks !

[half lagoon]

anyone know how i can mod hades?

[dusty vault]

Check the modding server pinned in #self-promotion pins

[hushed berry]

Man I still remember the first time seeing a modded Hades.

It was that dang youtube video where the first floor is just Hades.

[viscid notch]

[viscid notch]

Also should probably spoiler that

[hushed berry]

Is it?

[viscid notch]

It's a spoiler here yes

[proven pivot]

In this room specifically iirc

[hushed berry]

Flee!

[sharp mauve]

Can you link the video

[torpid basalt]

Hey I'm a new player and I have three titan's blood but no way to spend it

I looked online and apparently you can't spend it right away but what do I need to get done to upgrade my weapons?

Also I beat the hydra on my first try and ended up burning to death right away (was on 3 hp). Can anybody tell me what the hydra drops (if anything)

[dusty vault]

Unlock all weapons, then do a run to unlock aspects
Hydra drops a diamond, used on work orders

[torpid basalt]

do you have to do anything special in the run or just complete a run in general when u have every weapon?

[dusty vault]

Just do the run

Basically the game updates each time you die

[torpid basalt]

could i just instantly die and have the aspects unlocked

[dusty vault]

So to advance something you need to comeback to the house (and give up doesnt work cause it returns your save before the run)

Also yeh it works

[torpid basalt]

nice ok I'll just farm a bunch of keys on my next run then

also is the bow meant to be unplayable without aspects

[dusty vault]

Nah

[torpid basalt]

it had the dark thingy so i tried it out

[dusty vault]

Main thing to keep on hand is to use dash strikes

[torpid basalt]

it was great until i got into a skull spawner room

[dusty vault]

They charge faster and give you mobility

[torpid basalt]

are u supposed to get dash upgrades with the bow

[dusty vault]

Also practice for the power shot

[torpid basalt]

i only did those with my sword and spear

[dusty vault]

Dash strike as in dash then hold attack

[torpid basalt]

like i mean the poseidon dash upgrade thing

oh

[dusty vault]

Dash boons helps if you lack AoE yeah

Tidal dash is prime example

You can also use hunter dash for extra dmg or divine for safety

[torpid basalt]

tidal dash felt so good with the sword

[dusty vault]

Tidal dash is fun

[torpid basalt]

yea

also whats the highest rarity of boon

i got a heroic one yesterday n never saw one again

[dusty vault]

Heroic is the highest

Tho you cant get it "normally"

Is either if you have an epic boon and a god offers an exchange it will upgrade to heroic or through ambrosia from eurydice (aspho npc)

[torpid basalt]

I have no idea how i got one yesterday

[dusty vault]

||there is also rare crop from Dem|| but thats for later

[torpid basalt]

it was before i even killed the fury

[dusty vault]

Exchange probably

For example if you have an epic tidal dash other gods can offer their dash but at heroic

[torpid basalt]

also random question how many "chambers" do u need for a successful run

i need like some sort of a gage so ik where im at

[torpid basalt]

is heroic the rarity after epic

[dusty vault]

There are 4 biomes, amount of chambers can vary because how the last area works

[dusty vault]

Ye

[torpid basalt]

oh ok

[dusty vault]

Important chambers to remember are that 12,22,34 are the last combats of the first 3 biomes

After that is shop/free reward into boss

[torpid basalt]

oh ok I see

also is it better to go for the pomegranete before bosses or the shop

because ive noticed that before every fight i get that option

[dusty vault]

Depends, some builds can enjoy having poms more than others, sometimes you want a boon and have the gold

Also sometimes it can be other gold laurel rewards, not only poms

Just kinda have to decide at the moment

[torpid basalt]

also how do u even decide what builds to go for

[sweet brook]

if you dont have any gold or dont think you need anything from the shop, take the free room

[torpid basalt]

on sword i like just upgrading the hell out of my dashes and my atks but i have no idea for the other weapons

[sweet brook]

some weapons have good boons that pair well with them, like zeus attack on the rail

[torpid basalt]

oh ok

[dusty vault]

If you lack base dmg go flat dmg (zeus/ares/dio) if you have high base dmg gods with % boons are better

You can use their keepsakes to not leave it into rng

[torpid basalt]

i also had like this poseidon special effect thing where u press F and go sicko mode

but every time i did it i would miss everything

is it the same for everyone else on pc or am i just bad

[torpid basalt]

who's dio

[dusty vault]

Dionysus

Drunk god

[torpid basalt]

oh

i always found his dmg buffs underwhelming idk why

i even did his drunk effect thing and paired it with spear and another boon that gave 10% atk speed

[sweet brook]

i just move in circles on top of them, easier to get consistent hits

[torpid basalt]

but it felt rlly bad compared to ares' stuff

[torpid basalt]

i kinda wish i could use my mouse to control it

bc i can tell they designed it around using a controller not wasd

[sweet brook]

works fine with wasd for me

[torpid basalt]

hmm ill practice doing 360s with wasd more then

[dusty vault]

Hangover work really well on rail/fists/bow with 2nd aspect cause its easy to fill the stacks