#h1-for-new-players

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rocky iris
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Okay its done ||officially beaten hades once and i didnt get a screen…. Now i must as what is heat?? and what does it do does it just challenge you more. i am lost…||

dim schooner
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@gray haven see the issue is i just don’t understand how to get builds the way I want. It just seems like everything is based on chance and i do not know how to manipulate that

viscid notch
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Olympian God Keepsakes will help a lot when it comes to targeting certain boons

rocky iris
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manipulate the boons you get

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keepsakes help with that

viscid notch
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The mirror is also quite important

rocky iris
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they ensure that you will get a boon from that god the next boon you get

weak heron
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Ok yo so real quick, what's better, death defiance or stubborn defiance?

rocky iris
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and they increase rarity chance

rocky iris
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i dunno i feel new myself haha

weak heron
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I haven't managed to beat the king and the minotaur yet

rocky iris
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right

weak heron
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so far 3-5 attempts but

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not yet

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only started playing uhhh

rocky iris
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youll get there

weak heron
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I started playing on sunday

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love the game

dusty vault
rocky iris
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make sure to upgrade your mirror alot

weak heron
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yeye i've got most stuff maxed out on that already
I'll do the 10 key upgrade for more talents later

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I wanna get the gun first

rocky iris
rocky iris
weak heron
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honestly having a gun sounds fun ngl

rocky iris
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it is but it can be difficult

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i prefer the bow and fists

weak heron
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oh well I'll get used to difficult stuff eventually

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gungeon was really the first game to hand me some serious difficulty ngl

rocky iris
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even tho my first beat of the game was with a really insane build with the chaos shield

cursive sedge
cursive sedge
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I can’t build on it to save my life

rocky iris
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i think i had level 5 or 6 curse of pain

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and the more bounces hammer

weak heron
rocky iris
weak heron
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pew pew

cursive sedge
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Low damage and no stun is cringe

rocky iris
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but

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dion

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and long distance

cursive sedge
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And Chiron is actually easy to use and good

rocky iris
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Fair enough

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i have been using Chiron alot but no beat with it yet

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soo close

weak heron
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I wonder what the mods for this game are like
Gonna check those out after I beat most of the game, so probably not soon

cursive sedge
weak heron
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oh

cursive sedge
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I don’t think hades is supposed to be actually edited

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Not sure though

weak heron
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weapons could've been cool but ye fair seems like a hard game to mod

rocky iris
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I am looking forward to playing later today

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man how much fun i am having with figuring out which duos i like

cursive sedge
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What’s your style?

rocky iris
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i found a posedion and ares one that i thought was soo cool and it turned out it was bad

rocky iris
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Never even thought about it

cursive sedge
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Or ranged

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My builds focus on crits and dashes

rocky iris
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well my builds change depending on the weapon

cursive sedge
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I tried to do a stupid cast build but since I don’t actually have a cast based aspect, that doesn’t work

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Dio casts are always great though

rocky iris
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so for the chaos shield i rarely ever go for athena bc it has built in defence

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but instead ill go for ares zeus and posedion, so i dont ahve to aim much and i can just run away

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so run i guess

gray haven
# dim schooner <@!311477984886521856> see the issue is i just don’t understand how to get build...

Generally you start with one god keepsake in Tartarus and switch to another god keepsake in Asphodel. After that, you just take keepsakes for survivability (typically the Evergreen Acorn) or utility otherwise (e.g., the Bone Hourglass). That's why usually builds are centered on two gods. You also try to avoid gods that aren't important to your build (except for Master Chaos and Lord Hermes, those two will never hurt your build because they work differently from the other gods (no Duo Boons etc.)).

When you can't avoid taking boons from another god, you only pick boons that don't hurt your odds of getting what you want. For example, don't take a Special boon from somebody else if you want Heartbreak Flourish; don't take boons that unlock Duo Boons with Lady Artemis or Lady Aphrodite if you want their Duo Boon (Heart Rend) because then you might end up being offered Lightning Rod instead of Heart Rend...; etc.

There's a lot more nuances, of course. You'll get better at all of that the more experience you get. I don't expect you to get a Heart Rend build, for example, as powerful as I would get because I have over 1k hours in the game and have been talking strategies and build meta and everything since Early Access. But I can at least give you direction, so that you at least know what to look for and try to get. And I think that's already helping a lot because now you at least know what to aim for to get something powerful, you just gotta figure out how to get there.

cursive sedge
rocky iris
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special

cursive sedge
gray haven
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And the other things that help a lot aside from getting more experience yourself are studying boon requirements, so you get a better understanding what unlocks what, and just discussion with other players.

cursive sedge
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Why would you use chaos for special

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I don’t use shield much

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But damn I don’t think chaos is a special build

dim schooner
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So i need both aphro-artemis special for heart rend yes?

rocky iris
gray haven
# dim schooner So i need both aphro-artemis special for heart rend yes?

Well, you can't get the Special from both. You can only have one Special boon. These are the requirements to have a chance at being offered Heart Rend from them:

One of each:

Lady Aphrodite: Heartbreak Strike, Heartbreak Flourish, Crush Shot, or Passion Dash
Lady Artemis: Deadly Strike, Deadly Flourish, or True Shot

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So long as you have one of those boons from each of them, you have a chance of being offered Heart Rend when you pick up any of their boons.

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Deadly Strike + Heartbreak Flourish will unlock Heart Rend, and it also perfectly plays into the typical Special > Dash-Strike x2 combo of Nemesis.

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Heart Rend will increase your crit damage to enemies that are Weak.

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Heartbreak Flourish will apply Weak, and then your crits from Deadly Strike will do extra damage.

urban talon
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Are there anymore champions of elysium than just asteroid and the other guy

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Zag mentions heracles

rocky iris
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Theseus?

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i dunno if there are any other main champions but the people of elysium are champions ingeneral

gray haven
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There's only one Champion of Elysium, and that's King Theseus.

weak heron
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Ok yo what's better

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fiery presence, the more damage on undamaged enemies thing or

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the backstabbing one

viscid notch
weak heron
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ic ic

polar finch
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even though some new players dont understand the bow at first, its an extremely simple weapon to use. all you do is dash, hold attack till the powershot window, release. its ranged which makes it a safe weapon as long as you are dash powershotting. other melee weapons have more complicated attack chains and dps often comes at the expense of placing you into close range while using dashes. the only stumbling block is learning to dash powershot and realizing that standing attacks are gunna get you killed

limpid trench
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How does aspect of eris work with rocket bomb? Do you have to be close to the bomb when it hits?

polar finch
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yeah

viscid notch
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The radius is quite forgiving tho

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And the rockets is instantaneous

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So Rocket Eris is very strong

limpid trench
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Yeah

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I was wondering about it because I recently tried out rail(eris), and didn't get how that one was supposed to work

gray haven
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Point-blank is often the range you want to be in with Eris anyway.

limpid trench
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Yeah I've noticed that

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very fun to spam cluster bomb and get up in the enemies faces

gray haven
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Eris build meta is incredibly optimized at this point since early on in version 1.0 and even all the way up to 1.38ish, the speedrun leaderboard was like 90% Eris runs lol.

limpid trench
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yeah, using hangover with festive fog and the dionysus legendary boon, with poseidon dash

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absolutely destroying crowds

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along with cluster bomb

gray haven
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That works, but the go-to build is Lightning Strike with Static Discharge and Tidal Dash.

limpid trench
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yeah

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that was my plan

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but I didnt find lightning strike so i settled for hangover strike

gray haven
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You didn't start with the Thunder Signet?

limpid trench
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i cant remember if i picked something else

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or if lightning stirke wasnt an option

gray haven
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Ah, usually if he doesn't offer Lightning Strike, you just grab Electric Shot and hope to see Lightning Strike later. Drunken Strike is definitely a great pivot, though.

limpid trench
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yeah hopefully i grab it next time

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this run had a LOT of dionysus boons

winged tree
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Is hangover a bit underwhelming or am i building it wrong?

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I had hangover on fist attack. With 2 of the duo boons, the one with crit chance and the one that deals dmg faster

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The hangover still felt very weak overall

dusty vault
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how many poms you had in it?

winged tree
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I think i dumped all i had on it when it appeared on the pom selection

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let me see if i have a screenshot of the run

dusty vault
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if you have the admin chamber you can see it there too

winged tree
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I can't post screenshots here

dusty vault
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post in other server/sites like imgur and copy the link

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there are embed perms

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uh better post it in the victory boasting channel (as it is showing some post final boss things)

dim schooner
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can you have more than one duo boon

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i got the one i wanted but i am offered another

dusty vault
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yeah

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certain duo boons (mainly cast related ones) may block other similar duo

dim schooner
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||HE HAS A SECOND PHASE???||

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||ANGER||

crisp copper
polar finch
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well you have 4 of them dusa

steep musk
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||but hes buff||

violet pewter
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binding space + attack to my left click button has worked charms for me

hallow heath
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This game is so amazing lol

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I died 24 times trying to beat Meg and I still can't but I'm having fun

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So good

violet pewter
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What's the best wawy to spend your first 6 titan bloods

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?

desert ore
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But obviously the bow might not be for everybody, so if you prefer closer range, there's good options. It's just generally about finding what weapon you enjoy stock and seeing what you'd like from the upgrades.

violet pewter
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Exagryph and the Bow are in fact my favorite weapons

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it actually depends on what my mood is, if I'm feeling confident I'll go fist/sword otherwise ranged weapons

polar finch
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well bow works quite well up in enemy faces

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well maybe less so with chiron

weak heron
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I just select the weapon that has the purple glow thing on since it gives me more of that purple elixir thing anyway
I forgot the name

weak heron
urban talon
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Varatha would probably be my favourite weapon

violet pewter
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Is it ethical for me

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to just suicide is asphodel

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To farm darkness and gemstones

gray haven
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Sure, it's a video game.

violet pewter
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Welp

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15 minutes and I'm 400 darkness alr

viscid notch
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Finishing is also a good way to get darkness

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Since the last 2 bosses give more then than the first 2

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And you have more time to get Chaos Eclipses and maybe Ocean’s Bounty and Sunken Treasure

restive portal
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I've had nearly 3k darkness in one 40 minute run (1162 from the final boss alone). So while it's tempting to farm short runs, it's definitely not the most efficient approach once full runs are reliably doable).

gray haven
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But it's a very easy way to do it, so I understand the temptation.

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But the way I would think of it most of all, at least personally, is that if you're just farming Tartarus for Darkness and then resetting in magma is something you do because it's easy for you... well, it also means you're only getting practice in the regions that are already easy for you. But it takes longer to get to the parts that are harder for you, the regions where you need more practice. So instead of throwing the run, you can just push forward and get a little more practice against the tougher opponents. And if you die while doing that, well... it's the same result as if you just farmed and reset except you also got a bit of practice in. And then maybe instead of just Tartarus becoming the easy region, it'll be Tartarus and Asphodel that are easy for you because you've played them so much.

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But if you don't try to push through Asphodel, then that's just not gonna happen.

restive portal
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Yeah, dying might feel like failure, but it's all part of the game anyway.

rocky iris
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i think i am finally getting used to ||styx but i wanted to ask is there a best way to approach it or do you just throw yourself in and hope||

weak heron
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Only found out yesterday that

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the spear throw thing can hit twice

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and by extension backstab

viscid notch
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Hammerless spear special is quite weak

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In terms of relying on it as your main source of damage

rocky iris
viscid notch
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They are easier to predict yea

rocky iris
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right

viscid notch
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They're also faster

rocky iris
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ooooh okay

viscid notch
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They definitely take some practice tho

faint umbra
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unless you get tiny vermin pensive_rat

viscid notch
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Vermin can be annoying yea

faint umbra
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It’s hard for me and I’ve played a lot

maiden ruin
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Tony 😔

rocky iris
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i have been getting through them every round, this last one that i did i thought i was gonna lose but i made it out with one death defiance

rocky iris
limpid trench
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||How many times do I need to beat Hades(after the first 10 times)to reach the epilogue?||

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is it just random when the quest comes up?

viscid notch
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It's not related to beating the final boss anymore

viscid notch
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Have you got to the credits?

limpid trench
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yeah

viscid notch
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Spoiler that

viscid notch
limpid trench
viscid notch
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If you want to know what you're supposed to do: ||Progress your relationship with the Olympian Gods||

limpid trench
viscid notch
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Yup

limpid trench
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oh damn that might be hard, im always super low on it and Ive been trying to use it to progress relationships with the ppl i can romance

quick drum
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do I count as a new player if I still haven't reached ||epilogue||

viscid notch
quick drum
limpid trench
viscid notch
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Just nectar

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wait nvm

viscid notch
limpid trench
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Do boons count in the prophecy if you purge them or replace them?

viscid notch
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Yea

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As long as the run isnt a give up

weak heron
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ok rq

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who should I go for first in the king and the minotaur fight

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I got 199 hp
3 death defials
I'm about to go up agaist em

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I wanna finally beat them

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ok

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guess I'm going for asterius

restive portal
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Good choice since Theseus can be mitigated by careful positioning.

stark lichen
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I always kill king first since after you play for a moment minotaur becomes super easy to.dodge

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And king can spam aoe attacks

weak heron
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beat them

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awesome!!

rocky iris
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i have a question||can you even beat charon and what would be the reason to fight him?? that fight was fun but i died so fast||

viscid notch
rocky iris
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Okay so sorta worth it but eh its alot of work

polar finch
dim schooner
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||assuming there isnt a third phase i was one crit off of beating hades||

leaden whale
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Hello

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The farthest I've gotten is the Bone Snake thing

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But I'm generally new to Hades so I was looking for any tips/tricks

sly vigil
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the mirror helps a lot
getting keepsakes helps

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do you have a favorite weapon? if so then some boons are better on it than others
you can manipulate this to certain extent by keepsakes

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which I think you can get quite early

leaden whale
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I mainly use the Shield or Spear but I'm leaning more on the Shield side

sly vigil
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okay do you know how keepsakes work?

leaden whale
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I think so

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You equip one before you go out and it gives you a certain 'boost' of some sort

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Like, one gives you 100 gold as soon as u start sorta thing

sly vigil
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yeah. the keepsakes given by the gods guarantee the next boon you see is from that God

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which is how you make "builds"

leaden whale
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I have a keepsake from Aphrodite

sly vigil
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here is a good starting "build" guide. you can experiment if you would like of course

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but if you want some guidance

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it's a good start

leaden whale
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Thanks!

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Btw, is there any God that I should go for over others?

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Like zeus or something

sly vigil
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that depends on weapon

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general yes

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the guide i sent should give you some clues as for which god to go for on what

leaden whale
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I run shield for now

leaden whale
unique meadow
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Hello fellow members, I’m new to Hades. My main concern is the boone system and how that works. I know a bit but not much. I also really like the bow a lot, but I’ll continue experimenting with other weapons too. If anyone has just general tips let me know, thanks.

dusty vault
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For bow in specific always do dash strike, much faster for a little bit less of dmg (but can scale both of attack boons and dash strike boons)

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Dashing gives you iframes that dissapear when you dash strike

unique meadow
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What boon has dash strike?

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I also have the 2 dash thingy so that’ll help

viscid notch
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The way you dash strike is you press dash then attack afterwards

unique meadow
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Ok

viscid notch
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The window is quite lenient

unique meadow
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Ok

viscid notch
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Reason is: The bow attack charges faster

unique meadow
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Ohh ok

viscid notch
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does slightly less damage than a standing strike but has more ways to scale

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And again, faster

unique meadow
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Ok

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Alright I’ll keep that in my head

viscid notch
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And work on the powershot timings

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You wanna be powershotting most of the time

unique meadow
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Is powershot the attack button but charged?

viscid notch
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When you press your attack button and hold it, it'll charge, at some point it'll flash which is the cue to release it for extra damage

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Known as a powershot, has a slightly different animation and sound

viscid notch
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no bouldy

unique meadow
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Ok thank you! I do that quite often, I just didn’t know it was called a powershot that’s all! Any Boon recommendations for the bow. I use Deadly Flourish and that’s very helpful.

viscid notch
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The base bow's main source of damage is the attack

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You should prioritize getting an Attack first

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Since the attack has good base damage it's best to look for a boon that further increases it as opposed to one that adds flat damage

unique meadow
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What’s an attack?

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Nvm

viscid notch
unique meadow
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Ok

viscid notch
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But others like Athena/||Demeter|| can work too

unique meadow
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I haven’t got Demeter yet

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I’m not that far in the game yet

dusty vault
viscid notch
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Spoiler marked it late bouldy

leaden whale
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Whos Demeter

unique meadow
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I know she’s a goddess

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That’s it

viscid notch
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Back to the thing, base bow special is quite weak and you usually dont use that unless occasionally to clear projectiles etc, the damage is really bad and you never rely on it

viscid notch
viscid notch
leaden whale
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How do I do that

viscid notch
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I wrote it and it wasnt spoilered for a sec my bad

dusty vault
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Or check pinned messages

leaden whale
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|| like this ||

viscid notch
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yup

leaden whale
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Where's the furthest everyone has gotten?

unique meadow
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I’ve gotten to the third part, that’s it.

leaden whale
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I've gotten to the || Bone Serpent thingy || then I died

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On level 2

unique meadow
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Are the fists good? I haven’t gotten them yet, but are they the keys they say they are?

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I’ve seen minor gameplay on them and they look fun

sly vigil
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there is no bad weapon, you can safely unlock whatever you like

unique meadow
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Ohh ok

desert ore
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Well, there are some poor aspect weapons, mostly in said aspects being largely pointless for what you're putting in.

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But generally you can't go wrong

limpid trench
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About the epilogue

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||whats the most efficient way to get to the epilogue? Focus all of my nectar on one god at a time or multiple?||

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||ive been farming nectar by trading gemstones for keys, and keys for nectar but I dont want to end up wasting it||

mighty pelican
tiny narwhal
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||Can you give nectar to persephone?|| It hasn’t let me yet if you can.

weak heron
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What's better, Deep pockets or golden touch?

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Thick skin or high confidence?

viscid notch
viscid notch
weak heron
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I see

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thanks

dusty vault
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Spoiler ||demeter|| dusa

limpid trench
weak heron
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Should I spend all of my dark elixir or whatever (I keep forgetting what it's called) on Deep pockets and thick skin or

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Keep saving up for the third death defiance upgrade

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I'm at like 600-700 rn

cursive sedge
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Third DD is a must for new players

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It’s only around 300 darkness from where you’re at so I’d suggest that you save for it

weak heron
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I now have 4 DDs with Skelly's tooth

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very cool

rocky iris
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maybe save that skelly tooth for later and prioritize boons early in the run if that makes sense

viscid notch
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Yea definitely take a different keepsake for the earlier biomes

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If you have some sort of good damage going you’ll struggle overall a lot less when it comes to rooms and bosses

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Winging it with whatever the game gives you requires a lot of experience and knowledge of the weapons

weak heron
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I forgot I can just equip the tooth later

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h

rocky iris
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all good we are all learning

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i usually go with 2 boon keepsakes for the first and second biome and then acorn for the 3rd and tooth for the 4th (i havent needed it but i take it too be safe)

weak heron
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Also
How do I fully utilize the casts
I don't really use them that much but they're probably useful
I've basically been ignoring them so far

rocky iris
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It depends on how you like to play

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sometimes ignoring it is fine bc you want to prioritize making your attack/special more efficient

viscid notch
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Try to always lodge a cast in beefier enemies for boiling blood

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Or to finish off some small stuff

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That’s mostly gonna be your usage if you’re not playing a cast weapon

weak heron
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I see

weak heron
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Ok few things
What's the point of the administrative chamber

Why and when do the weapons change their appearance? P sure my spear changed.

Why do the rewards for bosses change? How do I get titan blood, diamonds and ambrosia instead of getting darkness?

dusty vault
weak heron
# dusty vault Q1/ checking previous runs-stats on weapons, some npc requests needs you to have...

Still slightly confused with two and three

By my second question I meant their actual appearance. I know what aspects are, so what I meant was alt-skins, I guess. I'm wondering what the requirement for getting an alt one is since I'm p sure my spear got a new skin.

Three, I dunno, I might be confused and maybe I just forgot what I beat the bosses with before, but I think I've gotten the bounties after killing bosses with a weapon that I already defeated them with. Again, might just be confused.

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Thanks for the reply, though

viscid notch
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There are no alt skins

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Aspects change the way weapons look and that’s pretty much it

weak heron
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OH

dusty vault
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^ was meaning that

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Sorry

weak heron
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Alr got it

viscid notch
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And for the third thing, sometimes your bounties might be unfinished

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So you get like Darkness for the first three bosses then titan blood for the 4th

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Etc

weak heron
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I see

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thanks

viscid notch
viscid notch
cursive sedge
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I thought you meant that aspects only change appearance

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Not that only aspects can change appearance

dim schooner
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What is there to do after beating the game for the first time?

rocky iris
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Alot of story.

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you have to beat the game 10 times to get to the end and then epilogue but there are a bunch of little goodies left for you to unpack or so i have heard

dim schooner
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Got it, thanks!

weak heron
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Okay woah

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The shield can actually be pretty good

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I've realized that now

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now that I've started to ACTUALLY USE IT as a shield

quasi nebula
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Do i still count as a new player if i escaped about 25 times now dusa

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And my fastest run us 18 minutes

leaden whale
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hi i have a question

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i have 4 keys but idk which weapon i should pick

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any recommendations?

weak heron
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Got whatever I had the keys for, eventually getting them all

leaden whale
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i chose the spear

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im enjoying it so far so no regrets

weak heron
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Yeah the spear is pretty cool

leaden whale
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also what does the red gem thing do when i right click

waxen drum
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You are gonna unlock them all eventually doesnt really matter in what order

leaden whale
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alright

waxen drum
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oh your cast

leaden whale
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yea

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does it make them take more damage?

waxen drum
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it is like a bullet

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it just deals damage

leaden whale
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ah alright

waxen drum
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boons will upgrade it and change it to know back or cause more damage when it dislodges

leaden whale
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whoaaa

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ares just upgraded it for me

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it now spins

weak heron
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||Beat hades for the first time like an hour ago today||

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fun

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Almost defeated him again but I forgot to use something that probably would've pushed me towards that second dub

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guess I'll get em next time

rocky iris
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it is a very fun rush to beat the game for the first time

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i did it a few days ago now

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and i plan to play tomorrow a bit more and maybe get a beat with the bow or spear

weak heron
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I still gotta figure out how to correctly play the bow and the gun

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I found out how to actually properly play the shield with y'know

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actually blocking

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Which I never did beforehand

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The shield got me my first win

rocky iris
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nice

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same here

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but i did very little blocking with it

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i think i know exactly how to use it now

weak heron
#

Though actually noticing that you're getting better is neat
Theseus and Asterius were still a pretty big deal for me like 2-3 days ago, now I've beaten them 6-7 times I think

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||Fighting hades again after that first win wasn't nearly as overwhelming either since I sort of knew what he was capable of by then||

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||I almost got him||

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dude was at like 20%

rocky iris
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||dude spoiler tag the finall boss||

weak heron
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oh sorry I thought it was

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Final boss-onward

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Nvm

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That's what it means

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I'm slightly stupid

rocky iris
#

all good

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you’ll get used to the final boss real fast dont worry its more so styx that can be a bit hard

weak heron
#

honestly yeah

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poison is really annoying ngl

rocky iris
#

yeah

weak heron
#

I'm gonna start actually taking Chaos' boons now since I found out the risk was definitely worth it

rocky iris
#

ooh yeah

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they can have some of the more op buffs

weak heron
#

I'm pretty sure paired with one boon and another from Poseidon I was at like

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+120% of uhh

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Reward stuff

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Darkness and what not

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If not +140%

rocky iris
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ooooh yeah

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i usually dont go for posedion till styxs

weak heron
#

I wanna get a real lot of gems fast
Buying the cosmetic stuff and seeing it around the place is pretty neat

rocky iris
#

i think most of his boons are useless 😭 Except for maybe his call but thats eh too

weak heron
#

hm

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Meh I've picked his stuff up anyway since it looks cool I guess

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And knockback + rupture is okay

dusty vault
#

Dash is great

rocky iris
#

its just me, you like it go ahead

dusty vault
#

call is fun with rip current

weak heron
#

Oh yeah the dash is good

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Ares' boons are pretty powerful too

rocky iris
weak heron
#

I wonder how big those blood rifts can get

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wait does chaos have a keepsake

rocky iris
#

what do you mean

weak heron
#

the thing you get

rocky iris
#

the eg

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egg**

weak heron
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For gifting people nectar for the first time

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Oh

rocky iris
#

so you dont take damage when you go in and have and increased chance of having it

weak heron
#

🥚

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egg

rocky iris
#

egg

weak heron
#

indeed

polar finch
#

egg only increases rarity not chaos gate chance

leaden whale
#

how do you unlock Hades' heart and get his keepsake? I've already ||beaten Hades himself and met Persephone once|| but his heart is still locked

limpid trench
#

||you need to beat him 10 times for the ending as well||

leaden whale
#

oh damn alright

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thanks

limpid trench
#

yeah, after that you should be able to gift nectar to him

cursive sedge
#

Removes gate damage and gives you better stuff

waxen roost
#

how can i keep giving nectar to hades?

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I was only able to give him one and i thought maybe getting one run would be enough to do so but i still cant

waxen roost
#

Ah rip, so much for building up a better relationship with my dad

#

does giving nectar to boon gods do anything in particular or just friendlier dialogue? @polar finch

polar finch
#

uh. related to story stuff post game

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pretty far ahead so not a whole lotta reason to rn

waxen roost
#

Ive just been giving it to demeter so far because I like her

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so I shouldnt give it to the olpypian gods?

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outside of initial keepsake

polar finch
#

uhhh characters that have a tangible benefit for giving more nectar after the first are ||meg, skelly, sisyphus, dusa, thanatos, and achilles/patty||

waxen roost
#

ah so none of the|| Olypmian gods will really do anything for me then after intial keepsake outside of more dialogue||

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well i guess ill just save it then except give it to the ones i like

polar finch
#

pretty much

waxen roost
#

Ireally like dionysus and demeter

polar finch
#

theres maybe some prophecies

cursive sedge
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For early game anyways

weak heron
#

ok wow I suck at fishing

rocky iris
#

same here

weak heron
#

the timing has to be so precise

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god damn!!

rocky iris
#

last 2 fish just ggrggr

weak heron
#

I got

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2 fish in total ever since I got the fishing rod

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hhhhh

rocky iris
#

hhhh

weak heron
#

@rocky iris ||I beat hades again||

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with the spear this time

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still had 2 death defials left too

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awesome

viscid notch
leaden whale
#

how can I get my 1st call boon?

viscid notch
#

There should be a scripted event

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That introduces calls to you

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It’s very early

leaden whale
#

ok thx

viscid notch
#

Nope

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You don’t have to gift him

pliant juniper
#

Was there a pin somewhere for weapon upgrade tiers?

viscid notch
#

Keep in mind it’s only for the first few titan blood that you acquire

pliant juniper
#

Ta

rocky iris
cursive sedge
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It’s quite easy for me

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I catch 90% of the time, and get a perfect 80% of the time I land it

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Try not to be too twitchy, there are many fake-outs

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But do be ready

rocky iris
#

Does Pressure Points also count towards Doom?

viscid notch
#

Yes

cursive sedge
#

I wonder if hangover can crit with pressure points

#

It wouldn’t do anything

#

But still

viscid notch
#

It can

cursive sedge
#

That’s kinda weird

#

Ooh hell yeah fat juicy 15 damage

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And that’s assuming you have a heroic

viscid notch
#

Hangover is meant to be pommed

cursive sedge
#

Oh yeah

viscid notch
#

And I’m not sure if the whole stack is meant to crit

cursive sedge
#

Forgor that those exists

viscid notch
#

But if it does it’s no joke

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It’s good damage

cursive sedge
#

I forgor that hangover can stack too damn

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I’m dumb

#

I don’t use dio builds much

rocky iris
# viscid notch Yes

I have dire misfortune and pressure points and it feels so good to deal nearly 500 damage in a couple swings

#

and now i have merciful end

gray haven
# viscid notch And I’m not sure if the whole stack is meant to crit

m like 99% sure, without recording a clip to double-check, that if an enemy is inflicted with 5 stacks of Hangover that each do e.g. 10 damage, it counts as a single hit of 50 damage rather than 5 hits of 10 damage. Definitely as far as crits are concerned because you would never see a Hangover crit of 30 from a single stack + 40 normal hits from the other 4 stacks or anything like that. It would just be a single hit that crits for 150. I used to think that each stack can crit individually, but I've never seen that happen. At least not when I paid attention.

viscid notch
#

Yea thought so too

gray haven
#

Maybe it's counted as individual hits for god gauge gain, though. I don't know that. I don't care enough to research it because it's not practical knowledge. Wouldn't change anything about how I play. dusa

pastel violet
# cursive sedge But do be ready

to go a lil more depth, fishing has a max of 3 fakeouts, after that it's guaranteed
the delay is also a tell if there'll be a fakeout or not because it's a much longer pause

winged tree
#

If i'm not mistaken, it's very uncommon to have the reaction speed to reliably get the perfect catches in this game when they aren't on the 4th bite.

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Since our brain has to process the visual cue we saw (in this case, process if the bite is false or not), this delay extends the reaction time beyond what the average person can react to.

oblique sleet
#

Ye I barely ever react on time lol

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Adhd doesn't help I'll just basically forget I'm fishing

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Zone out while waiting

cursive sedge
#

Actually, second

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It was one past the first then it instantly just dipped

winged tree
cursive sedge
#

Really? It’s easy enough to get a perfect on bites before 4

winged tree
#

The legendary fish ones? not for me

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You can test your reaction speed on the website human benchmark

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maybe your reaction speed is above average

oblique sleet
#

Mine is okay iir

cursive sedge
#

So I actually just have to twitch and not click

winged tree
#

When it's on the fourth bite i get it 99% of the time, since there's no delay in processing the information, since i know it's always a bite, the reaction speed is enough to get it

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But the delay from your brain seeing if it's a bite or not slows me enough that i miss the time window

cursive sedge
#

The sound of an actual kind of startles me and I shake a bit

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Especially when I crank the volume@up

pastel violet
#

i count one to three every bite to measure that delay i mentioned
if it bites during the count it's real

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it's surprisingly consistent

winged tree
#

I tried that before but the bites are kinda random

cursive sedge
#

I just scare myself using high volume to twitch real fast

winged tree
#

Sometimes it comes really fast and sometimes it just sits there

pastel violet
#

yeah the fish that come on first bite get me often though WHEEZE

oblique sleet
#

Now that I've started speedrunning most fish get ignored so I no longer have to feel bad about my reflex bouldy

pastel violet
static steppe
#

I feel like it was easier for me to get a bite with a controller compared to the mouse?

static steppe
#

It helped quite a lot

cursive sedge
#

If you don’t mind going deaf, turn your volume up real high, and apply slight pressure to your e key

#

Only works with headphones

static steppe
#

Also what helped was kind of keeping the lure in my peripheral vision? Cause apparently your peripheral reaction speed is faster than if you’re centering your gaze on it

cursive sedge
#

By “real high” I mean like absolute max

static steppe
cursive sedge
#

Yeah thats what I’m saying

winged tree
#

By absolute max you mean bass boosted kind of max

cursive sedge
#

Just scare yourself so you twitch and click E

cursive sedge
#

Depends on how deaf you wanna be

oblique sleet
#

Not

#

I kinda like my ears

weak heron
#

I've only gotten it on the first thing like

#

2 times ever since I got the rod

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...which isn't much considering that was like 4 days ago but you get the point

#

Only caught 2 fish so far

leaden whale
#

Can I play hades on nivida gtx mx230 and i7- 1065g7 with 64-bit

maiden ruin
#

idk probably hades doesnt require a good pc

gray haven
# winged tree If i'm not mistaken, it's very uncommon to have the reaction speed to reliably g...

It's 340ms for a perfect catch. With average reaction speed that's perfectly doable like 99% of the time with a decent monitor. TVs add a lot of display lag if they're not in "gaming mode", which most modern TVs have now (potentially under a different name), so that's often an issue why players struggle with fishing. But even with gaming mode enabled, TVs have a lot more display lag than any gaming monitor.

#

It can take a little bit of practice, too, and you should ignore the bobs and just look for a white flash above the bobber instead.

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Also, there can only be three fake bobs, so the fourth bob is always real if the first three were fake. And from what I can tell, fake bobs have an interval of 2-5 seconds while the real bob has an interval of 1-2 seconds. So if it takes more than 2 seconds, it should be a fake bob. Meaning you should look for the real bob within a short time after you start fishing or within a short time after a previous fake bob.

#

That might also help.

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Though if you just look for the white flash, I think most players shouldn't have too much trouble with it after a bit of practice to recognize the cue.

winged tree
#

I read about what you said on monitors affecting the reaction speed.

leaden whale
#

bruh i went from having so much difficulty beating hades to beating him 5 times in a row

limpid trench
leaden whale
#

my bad ill put them on next time

#

is rush delivery affected by lambent plume speed bonus?

viscid notch
#

yes

dark vault
#

Sadge i got to ||Hades||

#

he beat me to a pulp

viscid notch
#

You’ll get there

rocky iris
#

dont worry he seems difficult at first but soon you’ll learn it all and be able to beat him to a pulp or in my case repeatedly almost beat him to a pulp and still have fun

leaden whale
#

Hades

#

Hot take

#

The game is actually good

static steppe
dim schooner
#

what build should I do with ||excalibur||

waxen roost
#

how do i unlock weapons or upgrades?

#

Ive already beaten the game and have some titan blood but i cant find the options to unlock them or upgrade

polar finch
#

unlock all weapons then do a run to unlock aspects

slate finch
leaden whale
#

Are Dialogues/conversations missable?

weak heron
#

Okay uh

#

I'm not getting new bounties anymore ||with heat||

#

I wanna get some diamonds but the bounties aren't refreshing with ||more heat anymore||

waxen roost
#

how do i unlock the last heart for gods?

#

Icant go further for nyx

#

and im on the last heart for demeter but she wont accept any nectar

gray haven
#

It is.

weak heron
#

How do I get the bounties to refresh again

viscid notch
weak heron
#

But I tried that
The thing even says "new bounties unlocked" but there are no new bounties

#

...wait maybe I need to get every single prior bounty

#

That can't be it though

viscid notch
#

They should be available with enough heat, are the Titan Blood / Diamond / Ambrosia / Titan Blood markers greyed out?

weak heron
#

Nope
Only greyed out when I have less ||heat|| or as much as the time before

weak heron
#

I need to get all bounties from the previous level of ||heat|| maybe

viscid notch
#

Yes

#

That’s a thing

weak heron
#

oh yeah

#

makes sense

viscid notch
#

You have to get all 4 before moving on to the next bounty

weak heron
#

alr makes sense now

cursive sedge
#

Or fill out the entire bounty list

weak heron
cursive sedge
#

Yeah, It wouldn’t be fair to let people just scale ||heat|| up and farm Titan blood

gray haven
#

Spoilers, folks... dusa

cursive sedge
#

Forgot

#

I wonder what breed of dog Cerberus is

#

I also find it a crime that this server doesn’t actually have a Cerberus based emote

proven pivot
#

Scottish Borker

cursive sedge
proven pivot
#

It is

#

Trust me

gray haven
#

There's an animated Cerberus emoji.

proven pivot
#

Have I ever lied to you Circular?

cursive sedge
#

Oh

cursive sedge
#

I just find it that the name’s a bit too silly to be true

proven pivot
cursive sedge
#

When I searched it up it said “ border terrier”

cursive sedge
#

But this is an actual question what breed is our favorite three headed boi

proven pivot
#

I don't think he's any breed tbh

#

I think he's like... A hellhound or something

cursive sedge
#

Im@gonna search him up

#

His heads really do look like wolves

dawn panther
#

is there no way to restore progress after a power loss?

faint umbra
rocky iris
#

So i havent beaten the game in awhile i have only done one beat of the game so far but i have gotten to ||hades many times now|| and it isnt bc i cant beat it. Its just i am in no rush to do so, and i am worried that i might be burning out Or something

plucky juniper
#

When using fated persuation, ||does it reroll boon rarity, or will they stay the same||?

viscid notch
#

So it can

hazy spindle
#

Just beat ||hades|| for the first time 🎉

dark vault
#

why

#

did ||hades|| got a second phase iam so mad

waxen roost
#

Amd I have one 10 sitting in my inventory right now

#

Just bot sure what I cam do to unlock the final heart for boon gods

dark vault
#

you need to beat the 3rd area in order to obtain the item that unlock the last heart of bonding

#

some need progress stories

weak heron
#

At least you don't have to ||deal with those damn wretches||

#

Also I just beat ||hades|| for the 8th time

#

Only a few more until ||THE LOREEE|| is fully revealed

limpid trench
#

its annoying to deal with them

#

they have WAY TOO MUCH HP

weak heron
#

TRUE

steep musk
#

it doesn’t unlock till after that

waxen roost
#

You know who comes home with them

steep musk
#

keep maxing out bonds with the olympians (demeter at the lock counts but all the others have to have full bond) and you know who will tell you what to do

dusty vault
#

reminder that ||Demeter|| is a spoiler in this channel

rocky iris
#

A good rule of thumb is that if its final boss dependent its a spoiler for this channel

waxen roost
#

Okay so keep maxing bonds

#

As much as I can anyway

#

I reached the last lock for chaos and can't give him anymore nectar

#

Amd was wondering if it was a bug

dusty vault
#

need to do Chaos favor (reunite them with Nyx)

quasi nebula
dark vault
#

kleeKekBoom i got to ||hades|| in 16 minute

#

but ded

waxen roost
#

I've only got like 10 hours in the game so I still consider myself a newbie

#

Been only playing it for two days

quasi nebula
#

And you made that much progress under 10 hours?? Wow i could never dusa

waxen roost
#

Id say I just got lucky with some boons poroyay

#

Straight up some combos will make you melt bosses

#

My record is like 22 minutes with demeters

quasi nebula
#

My fastest is 18 minutes but i got the game in last august

waxen roost
#

See you're already better than me then lol id still say I'm a newbie time wise spent

#

Not to mention I dont understand how to unlock the final hearts and half the mechanics still

rocky iris
#

I mean we progress at different paces and learn different things

waxen roost
#

I feel bad for meg now, after dying to her the first time her attack patterns are just so easy to understand that it's pretty much free

#

Right now the only one I even have trouble with anymore is the 3rd boss and thats because he's a pain

rocky iris
waxen roost
#

No its his annoying sidekick

low kernel
#

ahhhhh

#

i think i know

waxen roost
#

Cant say name for obvious reasons but

low kernel
#

shield and spear ?

waxen roost
#

Yes

low kernel
#

yepppp

#

i just died in that part so sad

dark vault
#

]low hp though

#

so it is ok

low kernel
#

all cause the others guys attack didn’t block 😭

waxen roost
#

Shield makes that fight eays least though

rocky iris
#

He isnt that bad

low kernel
#

yeah

waxen roost
#

Same with Crystal beam

low kernel
#

i got my best run just now with shield

#

and i got some upgrade with daedalus hammer

waxen roost
#

Mine was with bow with aspect that did tracking arriws

low kernel
#

+500% damage with charge when in power hit

rocky iris
#

his attacks can be forced by getting up close but once you learn it all it gets easy

low kernel
#

i don’t really like the bow tbh

waxen roost
#

Combine that with demeter that makes people explode at 10 chill stacks

low kernel
#

demeter ?

waxen roost
#

I think the second boss lasted for 1 minutes

#

A boon Goddess that gives you chill

low kernel
#

ahh

#

don’t think i’ve met her or smth ig

waxen roost
#

The bow can be eztremly broken with the right combo

low kernel
#

yeah true

#

i haven’t tried any of the actual god power ups or whatever

waxen roost
#

I only just unlocked it

low kernel
#

when you press a button and go invulnerable

#

for a bit

low kernel
#

the hydra was kinda chill tbh

rocky iris
#

they are very chill

low kernel
#

just kinda annoying ||with all the heads and their shields||

waxen roost
#

Thats funny because on my 3rd run I died to the second boss the most

quasi nebula
polar finch
#

they probably havent unlocked every weapon yet

weak heron
#

Might be pretty useful then
Thought it just put the cast crystal thing in foes and nothing else

quasi nebula
#

Its the best aspect you can get early, and you dont even have to level it up for it to work well

low kernel
nimble geyser
#

what is the max level for Gods' Pride?

weak heron
#

If so then 20% I think

nimble geyser
#

kk thanks

hasty coral
#

I bought Hades today!

weak heron
#

I got it gifted last Sunday

#

I'm spending way too much time on it

pastel violet
desert ore
young kiln
#

This game is a trap. I'll tell myself "ah I'll just do one run" and suddenly I'm multiple escape attempts in. Its 2 AM. I have to get ready for work at 6

#

🥲

desert ore
#

I would have taken an extended break long ago on similar games, but this one has a story that actually has me coming back, the world feels alive and everything is so well made

#

So I've been sucked in

exotic lichen
#

Hey, I started playing 2 days ago and I have already completed the first 2 floors and maxed all the starting mirror upgrades

#

i still dont know for what do I have to use the materials you get for beating each floor with each weapon, can someone tell me ?

viral fable
#

Hi, so you're wondering what's the use of titan blood?

rocky iris
exotic lichen
#

ok

rocky iris
#

you may not beable to upgrade the weapons now but as soon as you unlock them all you Should be able to

exotic lichen
#

ok

rocky iris
#

||please do spoiler tag The final boss||

exotic lichen
#

I just need one more weapon

exotic lichen
#

then I wont read it

rocky iris
#

NONO read it

exotic lichen
#

oh

#

sorry

rocky iris
#

no problem

#

happens to all of us at some point

exotic lichen
#

in case no one else read it, I deleted it

rocky iris
#

cool

exotic lichen
#

ok, i gtg

#

bye

rocky iris
#

byee

low kernel
#

what does titans blood do ?

#

😭

#

i have 2 but idk what they do

gray haven
#

You can use it to upgrade weapons once you've unlocked all the weapons.

low kernel
#

ok ty

weak heron
#

I beat the main story line

#

man that was nice

exotic lichen
#

what does weedrag do?

viscid notch
exotic lichen
#

its similar to honey but you get it beating floor 3 i think

viscid notch
#

Oh

#

It's used to improve relationships later

low kernel
#

i’m so annoyed

#

i was about to go into a boss fight

#

i was on 11 hp

#

i went through 3 other stages with no healing items

#

then died 😭

hazy spindle
#

Weedrag?

low kernel
#

what’s that lmfao

median torrent
#

I think they're meaning ambrosia?

low kernel
#

oh

tame crest
#

hi, only englesh on chat?

#

could someone explain to me what the "bot-commands" chat is for?

viral fable
#

If you want to get some self-assignable roles, you use this channel

tame crest
#

Could you give me an example please?

viscid notch
#

You gave yourself the Hades role

prime snow
#

@rocky iris I just don't understand every game aspect.

#

I understand every bit of mythology in the game as I love Greek mythology

rocky iris
#

sure

prime snow
#

However I'm just wondering if there are any general tips

rocky iris
#

but you dont quite get how to do things

#

the general ones are upgrade the mirror for darkness

#

early game ignore most other rooms and try to get darkness and keys

prime snow
#

Yea, that I've been doing I have everything maxed except the one that costs 500

rocky iris
#

darkness for the mirror and keys for unlocking your weapons

#

try to aim for one ability builds (attack special and cast) till you learn the ropes

#

do you have the codex yet?

gray haven
#

You can find my Newbie Build Guide in the pins here.

prime snow
#

I have all the Olympians except Demeter

pseudo narwhal
#

yeah so

#

coronavht is good, my personal favorite

#

sword is good for ppl that enjoy it

potent rune
#

wouldn't just say good

#

the bow is just op

#

so much better than the other weapons

pseudo narwhal
#

but the base combo is slow and you're better off doing dash attacks

#

eh

prime snow
#

My brother only uses the sword lol

rocky iris
pseudo narwhal
#

it's good

prime snow
#

I love the spear

pseudo narwhal
prime snow
#

What are aspects?

pseudo narwhal
#

they're variants of each weapon

prime snow
#

Ok

pseudo narwhal
#

basically once you unlock all weapons and do a run with them

#

any

potent rune
#

and melee wise

pseudo narwhal
#

you unlock a ton more weapons

potent rune
#

the spear is clearly the best choice

pseudo narwhal
#

it makes the game so fun

prime snow
#

Ok

#

Is that what Titan blood is for?

potent rune
#

i know people really like the shield but, eh

pseudo narwhal
rocky iris
prime snow
#

I love using the spear

rocky iris
#

i really cant get the hang of it

pseudo narwhal
#

after like 120 runs i use spear for positioning and a mix of ranged and melee

prime snow
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If you get a good boon you can have insaine reach

potent rune
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i even prefer the fists over the sword though, that uppercut special that hits twice can really deal some big numbers with the right boons

prime snow
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The thing that I hate is even if you get super far and past Tartarus you still restart at the house if hades

pseudo narwhal
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lmao wait till you get aspect of demeter

potent rune
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think i got really lucky with poms

pseudo narwhal
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it's fun you can oneshot the hydra phases

prime snow
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How do you unlock aspects?

prime snow
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Oh, lol sorry

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Didn't see that

pseudo narwhal
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you're good

prime snow
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So I need to wait until I get every weapon?

gray haven
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At a high level, you'll virtually never see Malphon's standing Special. It's like 99.9% Dash-Uppers and 0.1% normal Uppercuts maybe at most.

potent rune
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when i ran the fists i got that heroic boon from aphrodite

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even managed to get it to level 10 through poms

rocky iris
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i dunno how to use hestia yet

potent rune
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though i can already see someone saying

pseudo narwhal
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hestia is a sniper rifle

gray haven
pseudo narwhal
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shoot reload shoot reload

potent rune
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the normal attack on the fists is better than the special

gray haven
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Special at the same time you're using Reload.

pseudo narwhal
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it is

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you can combo normal attack with dash attack so the attacks basically never end

potent rune
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probably the only time i used the special on a weapon

prime snow
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The thing that stinks is that I started playing on my series x with game pass and I'm gonna move to my PC with game pass but I'll have to restart on my pc

potent rune
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i don't like the special attack on most of the weapons

pseudo narwhal
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that's not good lmao

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specials are important

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except for bow

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non Chiron bow at least

potent rune
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rapid fire on the bow is auto-pilot mode

potent rune
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might as well play itself

gray haven
prime snow
potent rune
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not kidding

pseudo narwhal
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it's fun

potent rune
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i still don't think i've ever got the twin shot for the bow in a hammer

pseudo narwhal
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especially with triple shot

potent rune
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and i've ran the bow like 5 times now

pseudo narwhal
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i have like

prime snow
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So right now the best thing for me to do is to just grind for keys and darkness?

pseudo narwhal
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70 bow runs lol

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zag bow best bow

pseudo narwhal
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try to get as far as you can

prime snow
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Alright

pseudo narwhal
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just play and have fun

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get better too

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lmao

gray haven
viscid notch
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I wouldnt specifically grind for anything

gray haven
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Maybe you find a cool build that you wanna try to optimize. Maybe you wanna try out a bunch of totally different builds.

potent rune
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anyway, i have no clue what hammer upgrades to go for on the sword

rocky iris
viscid notch
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Followed by Breaching Piercing

potent rune
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maybe it's just build thing and needing to upgrade appropriately

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but i find the sword damage lacking

rocky iris
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OOOH YESSS… i think i just unlocked the secret aspect for my bow yesss wooooooo

viscid notch
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||And Arthur also likes Shadow Slash||

rocky iris
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makes me very happy

gray haven
# prime snow Builds?

Yeah, like what boons and hammers you aim for etc. My Newbie Build Guide that's pinned here might help you get started with something solid from which to explore your options.

prime snow
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But you never know what boons or hammers you'll get right?

potent rune
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cast wise i have it noted to always go for either

prime snow
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And you have to restart your build every time due to you dieing

viscid notch
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You can manipulate builds in certain ways

potent rune
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poseidons knock foes away cast

viscid notch
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Like Keepsakes/mirror

gray haven
potent rune
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or demeter's laser beams

viscid notch
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And just knowing what to take

pseudo narwhal
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base sword is terrible

potent rune
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demeter's laser beams on bosses is hilarious with that chip damage

gray haven
potent rune
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how so?

gray haven
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Because ||you don't meet her until you've been to the final boss at least once||.

prime snow
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That makes sense

potent rune
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funny how the only thing god related you hear then is

prime snow
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@gray haven But you never know what boons or hammers you'll get right?And you have to restart your build every time due to you dieing

potent rune
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you can't get aphrodite/zeus/hermes/etc. on the first run

potent rune
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i still have no clue why some gods would be unavailable on the first escape attempt other than the spoiler one

rocky iris
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bc story i dunno what else to say

gray haven
potent rune
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so for base sword

prime snow
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How do you change keepsakes

potent rune
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anything specific i should go for?

prime snow
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Or can you equip multiple?

viscid notch