I don’t think there’s an achievement but not too sure
#h1-for-new-players
viscid notch
buoyant jay
"robbed thanatos" I got it twice
viscid notch
Yea that one
cursive sedge
"robbed thanatos" I got it twice
Any special dialogue
viscid notch
Yes
viscid notch
Dash strike and powershot
% increase gods on your attack, Artemis dash, any strike or lunge chaos you find
That’s all you need in terms of boons, the rest of your scaling is gonna be from hammers
Twin Shot or Triple Shot is your ideal first hammer
tranquil shuttle
Alright
viscid notch
Point Blank, Perfect, Flurry or Explosive for second
tranquil shuttle
What about the aspects?
viscid notch
This is assuming Base bow or Zag bow
Other aspects play a bit differently
Chiron is special focused and Hera is cast focused
tranquil shuttle
I’m thinking of going for the 2nd one, I forgot what is was called
Oh yeh Chiron
viscid notch
Chiron is pretty nice but requires levels
It’s usable but a bit underwhelming at lower levels
viscid notch
Popular stuff is Hangover on Special, some form of weak application (attack is best), and going for Low Tolerance
Pom the Special as much as you can
And have Pstatus on your mirror
If you see Ares grab Vengeance and try for Curse of Nausea aswell
Chiron in general and hangover specifically build call very quickly so make sure you have a good one
viscid notch
Another build is Deadly Flourish with weak aswell, that opens up Heartrend which is also very solid, looking for chaos and good hammers with this (concentrated and relentless)
viscid notch
How do I get Pom?
It shows up as a door reward before you enter a room
It’s rng how many poms you get
tranquil shuttle
Isn’t there a keepsake that does the same thing as pom but every 4 encounters?
viscid notch
Yup
tranquil shuttle
How do I get that?
viscid notch
It stops you from forcing gods you want because you need to have it equipped and you also cant decide where the poms go, so it can hit something totally useless
viscid notch
How do I get that?
||It’s from Persephone after you finish credits||
viscid notch
Chiron?
viscid notch
Which build do you wanna try?
You usually start with your Special in Tartarus
So Dionysus or Artemis
Then you try to put a second god you want in the pool in Asphodel
So Aphrodite for both of those
If you already got her in Tartarus you still force her in Asphodel to get the Duos
tranquil shuttle
Hmm
Tbh I don’t really know how any of the gods work in hades
But I kinda do
To a point
yk
viscid notch
If you got the Duos in Tartarus you can force Athena/Ares/Zeus for the Hangover build or Athena/Zeus for the Crit build, these have good supporting boons
What do you need to know
hushed sorrel
So Dionysus or Artemis
My faves :)
viscid notch
Just the basics ig
Well you kinda learn this stuff as you play and experiment with combos, but to briefly explain why such builds are good for Chiron, Hangover is damage over time, and can be applied 5 times on enemies, a Chiron volley of arrows is 8 Arrows, so marking and enemy and using your Special will put all Hangover stacks on them, you pom it because it has linear pom scaling, each pom is +1 aside from the first one being +2, so it’s very good damage boosts consistently. Duo boons are easy to aim for especially with a full Mirror and keepsakes, most builds don’t require them but they can empower them by a good bit, so you try to shoot for them nonetheless, Dionysus + Aphrodite Duo makes it so if an enemy has Weak on them you can apply another 3 stacks of Hangover on them, that makes it 8 total, and again, Chiron’s volley is 8 arrows so 1 volley applies all stacks still, the attack is preferable for your Weak application because you want to attack enemies often so you mark them for your Special while also having them weakened for the Duo boon to take effect, Dash is also viable but not as smooth to play with
Ares comes into play also because of his Duo Boon with Dionysus which makes Hangover damage enemies every 0.35s instead of 0.5s, aiming for 2 Duos in a run is not that easy anymore, so you don’t usually go out of your way to get him unless you know what you’re doing of have prereqs early already
viscid notch
Between Low Tolerance (aphro dio) and Curse of Nausea (ares dio), you want Low Tolerance for a Chiron build
viscid notch
Between Low Tolerance (aphro dio) and Curse of Nausea (ares dio), you want Low T...
For prioritizing
tranquil shuttle
I always think I know what I’m doing in these types of games but obv not lmao
Hmm
So is there a way to make them spawn more frequently?
tranquil shuttle
Between Low Tolerance (aphro dio) and Curse of Nausea (ares dio), you want Low T...
Aight
I’ll keep that in mind
But my main one should always be dionysus right?
viscid notch
When you equip an olympian god’s keepsake your next boon that you find is guaranteed to be from them
tranquil shuttle
Oh alright
viscid notch
Which is why I recommended you take Dio/Artemis keepsake in Tartarus
tranquil shuttle
Yeh
viscid notch
Core boons have priority when the game offers you stuff so it’s easy to get a Special from the first boon
For Asphodel you’re mostly adding the god to your virtual pool
you ideally wanna have a full god pool by the end of Asphodel
So shops can only offer you 4 gods and no more
2 of those are gonna be ones that can give you the duo you want
So it’s a good chance
viscid notch
But my main one should always be dionysus right?
And yes this is correct
I’ve won countless times with just a decently levelled Dio special and no duo boons
Just a few supporting things to supplement your damage
tranquil shuttle
Yeh
viscid notch
You can just have fun with basic info and have nice builds etc
tranquil shuttle
Yeah
Well thanks for the help g
Hopefully I can do something with that information
Pretty fun game
cursive sedge
It’s usable but a bit underwhelming at lower levels
there's a hammer that gives +4 shots to the special
compensates for lack of arrows
you can also just farm up titan blood by playing on every single weapon up to just meg, then burn yourself in magma in asphodel
buoyant jay
Any special dialogue
No special dialogue I noticed
nimble geyser
||got to hades and i lost||
i accidently change life steal sword into something else
rough warren
||got to hades and i lost||
i got to ||hades|| for the first time too rn
||second healthbar|| kinda killed me
dusty vault
Remember to spoiler mark about the final boss @rough warren
devout jackal
Would ||"Moustache Man"|| be spoiler-worthy?
rough warren
lmfao
gray haven
@rough warren ||second HP bar|| is also a spoiler. 
runic kindle
<@!755641281283096615> ||second HP bar|| is also a spoiler. <:dusa:5222487714095...
is it tho like i tought it even may be 3 in Dead Cells its 4 or 5
gray haven
Yep! Anything from the end boss onward, including the end boss.
brave sierra
For the 5 titan blood invested to reveal a hidden aspect, does it count if its invested into the original weapon?
runic kindle
For the 5 titan blood invested to reveal a hidden aspect, does it count if its i...
if i am not wrong you only have to spend in alternate forms in spear
other than that no
1 sec
brave sierra
oh the wiki says 5 into the aspects of the weapon
brave sierra
okay Ill check that out
faint umbra
for the spear you need to unlock 5 different aspects (not including zagreus, which is already unlocked). for the other aspects you need to invest 5 blood into any aspect of the weapon
brave sierra
since the bow is piercing damage all of it should go through theseus right? Im still getting blocked when Im fighting him
er well excluding the special ofc
gray haven
No, it goes through enemies, but it's not unblockable.
brave sierra
ohhh unblockable is a separate effect? on some abilities
gray haven
Some piercing effects are unblockable and some aren't.
brave sierra
gotcha ty!
grave storm
consistency
vital sorrel
<@!755641281283096615> ||second HP bar|| is also a spoiler. <:dusa:5222487714095...
HUH???????????
istg hades is wild
Theres still things to do even though Ive already spend like 50 hours on it
chrome jay
Is continuously failing at the first boss a thing that happens some days? Cuz today I only got past the first fury like twice in about 7 runs
steep musk
yup
chrome jay
well in one of those attempts I did get to the hydra and die when it had 1 health, which is surely closer than I ever was before (maybe a tad too close)
so there's hope I'll have actual progress during those days
steep musk
it took me a WHILE to get to the final boss the first time
gray haven
Something important to keep in mind about the Hydra is that when it's only the main head... there is absolutely no reason to be taking any damage. It does a projectile volley, for which you just need to stand behind any of the pillars there, and the other move is the head slam with the shockwave around it... but the head can't move past the pillars, so you can once again just get out of there.
After it's done with its attack, you can go and get some hits in, then just move back.
chrome jay
Something important to keep in mind about the Hydra is that when it's only the m...
Yeah ik, but problem is, I choked very hard and just sat down in it's head slam attack
so there's that lol
fleet rain
What do you mean by choked??
chrome jay
What do you mean by choked??
I just forgot that dodge was a thing and just stood there
gray haven
Right. But if you also focus on not making mistakes in the earlier phases when it's only the main head... you won't be in that situation so easily where just one more hit will kill you.
chrome jay
extra annoying since it was a perfect run too, I got to hydra with a respawn and almost at max health
gray haven
You just gotta be patient and not overextend.
chrome jay
Right. But if you also focus on not making mistakes in the earlier phases when i...
my biggest problem are the bosses, everything is fine and dandy (maybe with the exception that sometimes I just take a lot of damage before the fight) but then the bosses just roll me
But hey, I have only done like under 20 runs, so it's a beginning to be even getting there ig
gray haven
Upgrading the mirror and stuff will help a lot, and also just getting more experience and practice.
gray haven
My Newbie Build Guide is pinned here in the channel. That might help you get something decent going more consistently.
chrome jay
Upgrading the mirror and stuff will help a lot, and also just getting more exper...
I noticed that, my first few runs were hard, like, really hard. A couple of upgrades later and I'm rolling tartarus
steep musk
what mirror perks do you have unlocked?
gray haven
Something that I did a lot early on is when there's just one enemy left in an encounter or in an enemy wave, I'd just leave it alive and just focus on learning its behavior and evading attacks.
chrome jay
what mirror perks do you have unlocked?
not sure, but ig I maxed out the extra dodge and some other I don't remember. Just recently got the 5 keys to expand it tho
let me try to screenshot
gray haven
Yeah, that's still really early in the mirror. Plenty of stuff to upgrade that will make you a lot stronger.
fleet rain
Something you should consider is giving nectar to Poseidon and Chaos for their keepsakes if you haven't already and taking boons that increase the value of darkness and gemstones so you can upgrade your mirror faster
chrome jay
oh yeah just saw it
gray haven
Like starting with 3 Death Defiances instead of just 1 is gonna make a huge difference, for example.
chrome jay
11 escape attempts
I'm extra early
Ok, I maxed chthonic vitality and dodge, got 1 death defiance, just unlocked boiling blood and infernal soul. 40% shadow presence
gray haven
Yeah, getting that second DD whenever you do is already gonna make a huge difference.
Also I would say for those very early runs... whenever there's a chance to get a Centaur Heart, you should go for it.
That's +25 max HP every time, which boosts all the healing that you get that's based on your max HP. So like fountains and snacks and any healing you can buy.
And you also get 25 HP right there in that moment.
chrome jay
Yeah, I noticed that centaur hearts are my friend. I've also been using dusa's keepsake thing, every time I'm finished in a room I just go around looking for extra health, and it's been working for me
gray haven
Early on, boons are great, poms are great, but you won't really be able to optimize those offers.. but +25 HP is +25 HP, you can't go wrong with that. That will just allow you to make more mistakes in your fights and still come out alive.
Also a very good early strat is to just start with the 
to get her Attack, which is great on any weapon really. Out of the % Attack boons, hers is the strongest. And her Attack will also apply Weak.
That's 30% damage reduction.
In a boss fight, where it's very easy to keep the boss Weak for the whole fight, that's effectively like having +43% HP.
And then you also make sure that you keep your Dash slot open, and in Asphodel if you can swap keepsakes, you take the Owl Pendant instead and get Divine Dash from Lady Athena.
Or you pick it up before that if you see her in Tartarus, of course.
And then Lady Aphrodite has other great boons for survivability like Life Affirmation, which makes every Centaur Heart you pick up give even more HP and also other stuff for damage reduction.
Only really on the rail and maybe on the fists you'd want to start Lightning Strike instead for good damage.
chrome jay
Thing is, I barely get any Aphrodite boons because it's just random, so ig my brain just defaulted to the general solution of a decent chance for a 10 hp heal per room
chrome jay
I did already, but idk if that gets me a higher chance for that specific boon
gray haven
Well, the first boon you pick up will 100% be from her if you take her keepsake.
And then when you take the Owl Pendant in Asphodel, the first boon you pick up will 100% be from Lady Athena.
Well... Lord Hermes counts differently, so he can show up instead in Asphodel.
chrome jay
oh? That sounds good, but then I'd be relying on a higher league/weak inflicting boon rng
gray haven
But not in Tartarus because he can't show up that early in a run.
chrome jay
tho ig that's better off than burrito rng from vases
gray haven
The very first boon you pick up in a run will always offer 3 at random out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.
And all four of those from her inflict Weak.
And after you pick up your first boon, any boon after that that you pick up will always offer at least 1 boon for those 4 slots.
10% chance it's an exchange for one of them that's already occupied, 90% chance it's for one of the empty ones.
chrome jay
gotcha. That sounds like optimizing the fun out of the game but honestly, it's a roguelike, getting a better strategy is the whole idea lol
thanks
gray haven
Ehhhh... that's barely scratching the surface of optimization lol.
cursive sedge
||got to hades and i lost||
Spoiler, I think
Also, that’s not too bad, if you use spear it might unlock the hidden aspect for that
Well, if you went all out
chrome jay
Spoiler, I think
It probably is, I'd be sad to know the final boss is that if I wasn't already spoiled on it
cursive sedge
It probably is, I'd be sad to know the final boss is *that* if I wasn't already ...
Eh, it’s the ||titular character|| so what do you expect
Wait is that a spoiler
Also I like hades’ “boy” more than kratos’
Echo funni
chrome jay
I mean, I'd consider knowing the final boss is ||not some giant monster but instead the emotional monster|| is kind of light but a spoiler
cursive sedge
I mean, I'd consider knowing the final boss is ||not some giant monster but inst...
Tbf ||dad|| is like 15 feet tall and a train wreck so how about both
gray haven
Any from the final boss onward, including the final boss, is a spoiler in this channel, yes.
dusty vault
so whats titan blood for?
Unlock all weapon, do a run then check your weapons in the courtyard to unlock the use for titam blood
dark gale
i enjoy using the blade though
dusty vault
You can use blood to unlock upgrades for the blade
nimble geyser
Spoiler, I think
Oops sorry i forgot
nimble geyser
||second healthbar|| kinda killed me
||same but i accdiently change my dad hammer from life steal to something else||
cursive sedge
||second healthbar|| kinda killed me
remember the ||ring attack||, and the ||grabby vases||
rough warren
bruh every time i choose rail i get the worst build imaginable
then i die to minotaur duo
brave sierra
Does nourished soul affect centaur hearts? I just got 50 hp from a heart
polar finch
Does nourished soul affect centaur hearts? I just got 50 hp from a heart
was it from a styx miniboss tunnel?
brave sierra
ohh gotcha did not know that, ty
rough warren
i cant deal with the rats in styx
any tips?
reached ||hades|| with shield again
oof
viscid notch
Block?
viscid notch
No but if you step in poison just cure it right away
viscid notch
No there is something you can interact with in every styx chamber
That cures poison
restive portal
Ah yeah, not knowing about the ability to heal poison would be a problem. Look for a vegetable in a jacuzzi (it's a Mandrake root I think).
rough warren
oh so thats what they be for
stoic meadow
Yeah
Poison is really strong, so it would be pretty hard to survive without them
I've had charmed Satyr Cultists deal stupid amounts of damage to enemies with it
It was pretty funny, honestly
lilac flicker
Ah yeah, not knowing about the ability to heal poison would be a problem. Look f...
yup it;s a mandrake root
restive portal
As a game mechanic poison is there to make you feel a sense of urgency and rising tension. It throws you of your stride in the small rooms (which might otherwise feel a bit monotonous). However if you are poisoned in one of the small chambers it can often be better to concentrate on finishing the chamber quickly (which also stops the poison). A few seconds of normal poison is fine unless you were only on a sliver of health. In the end rooms is worth knowing where the curing wells are and staying near them most of the time though.
stoic meadow
As a game mechanic poison is there to make you feel a sense of urgency and risin...
Yeah
rough warren
DAANG I cracked how to beat the duo
restive portal
Adding a whole new mechanic in the last biome is a nice touch to make you feel like you've crossed a threshold and are somewhere new.
nimble geyser
yea
rough warren
and then i can hit my abilitiews on both of them
nimble geyser
depends
stoic meadow
I've had some sticky situations where I had to run through half a room and dodge snake traps just to cure myself
rough warren
sheesh
stoic meadow
It's not fun
restive portal
That's one approach.
nimble geyser
i had a run which i got lifesteal on blade and boons that resist damage best run ever
poison didn't do a thing
restive portal
Depends on which god other guy summons.
stoic meadow
i gotta focus the spear dude
Usually I do him last, since he's harder to hit due to the shield and generally leaves you alone whereas the minotaur is a lot harder to evade if you're not focusing on him
nimble geyser
but the i accdiently change dad hammer lifesteal into some other boon
stoic meadow
And trying to dodge Theseus's god aids while dodging the minotaur too doesn't seem very fun
rough warren
Usually I do him last, since he's harder to hit due to the shield and generally ...
its easier to backstab with spear dash strike, atleast for me
nimble geyser
so now am currently trying to get back that boon
restive portal
so now am currently trying to get back that boon
You only change hammers at the anvil.
rough warren
Depends on which god other guy summons.
true, this time not many circles spawned on the ground
restive portal
There no getting it back if you lost it.
restive portal
This was cursed slash?
restive portal
That's fine you do better without it in final boss.
nimble geyser
really?
restive portal
Since you have lots more health
restive portal
That hammer is great for rooms with lots of smaller enemies, but suffers on big hitting bosses.
stoic meadow
But how good are the heals?
Hades can hit you for 80 damage if you get really unlucky
And overall he can punish you really hard if you mess up
restive portal
Ah okay, if you were doing a revenge build its more of a loss
restive portal
Well now you have like 300+ health
restive portal
Sure
nimble geyser
more easy to explain
restive portal
And now you know why the anvil is such a risk I guess. 
nimble geyser
And now you know why the anvil is such a risk I guess. <:thanthink:6692460041425...
Hades rewards you with curiosity, expect for this time
stoic meadow
And now you know why the anvil is such a risk I guess. <:thanthink:6692460041425...
Yeah, first time I took it I thought I'd get to choose, then found out it was random
I lucked out and got exactly what I wanted but I've virtually never used them again
restive portal
So the screen shot is before Styx?
restive portal
It happens.
stoic meadow
||lost to hades again||
The boss is quite hard, there's no problem with that
stoic meadow
Personally, if you're struggling with ||Hades||, I recommend Eurydice's keepsake
rough warren
when do i unlock summons?
rough warren
Personally, if you're struggling with ||Hades||, I recommend Eurydice's keepsake
yeah. i forgot to put that on ig
took lucky tooth instead
stoic meadow
I generally try to avoid using it there because it's really good, but when your build isn't great you sometimes have to do it
stoic meadow
when do i unlock summons?
You need to give specific people ambrosia
And before that you need to give them 6 Nectar
restive portal
Personally, if you're struggling with ||Hades||, I recommend Eurydice's keepsake
Spoiler tag that please
stoic meadow
gonna try out a pierced butterfly run with rail
I love this keepsake
rough warren
I love this keepsake
i got poseidon and no dash, not a good sign
stoic meadow
Oof
stoic meadow
Do you have ||Fated Persuasion||?
rough warren
Do you have ||Fated Persuasion||?
dont know what that is so probably not
stoic meadow
It's a mirror talent
restive portal
Last section in the mirror
rough warren
what does it do, but im sure i dont
rough warren
Last section in the mirror
yeah i still need to unlockt hat with 20 keys i thiknk
the targeted special is kinda underrated ont he rail no?
stoic meadow
What do you mean with that?
Are you talking about the hammer upgrade that slows and makes enemies more susceptible to damage when in the special's range?
Or the special in general?
restive portal
Targeting system is great, but the auto-target attack hammer is rubbish
rough warren
Are you talking about the hammer upgrade that slows and makes enemies more susce...
yeah
that one
rough warren
Targeting system is great, but the auto-target attack hammer is rubbish
targeting system
should i take artemis' attack instead of zeus' ?
i have multiple boons like jolted supporting zeus
also i have poseidon so a possible double boon
i guess not
rough warren
Artemis attack isn’t really good unless you have spread fire
yeah thank god i didnt take it
viscid notch
Zeus attack with Jolted is way stronger
Not even close
Duo boons aren’t everything
Poseidon Artemis likely wont do much here for you
rough warren
Duo boons aren’t everything
was talking about poseidon zeus
ah im mucking up the pierced butterfly to much only 9% till now
shouldi cvhange it after bone hydra
viscid notch
Poseidon Zeus Duo is a nice addition but not something you actively aim for on Rail
Pierced Butterfly is more of a meme/challenge option
stoic meadow
Pierced Butterfly is more of a meme/challenge option
Yeah, with just how much better the defensive keepsakes are, there's no real point to keeping it in the later biomes
And in early game you might as well use god keepsakes to get a good build going
rough warren
yeah also i lose the damage after i unequip it right
stoic meadow
But it's fun nonetheless
rough warren
so its good that i only lose 9% rn
viscid notch
yeah also i lose the damage after i unequip it right
Yup
stoic meadow
yeah also i lose the damage after i unequip it right
After you unequip a keepsake, you can't equip it again
In that same run
rough warren
Poseidon Zeus Duo is a nice addition but not something you actively aim for on R...
yeah i guess
havent gotten aphrodite cause pierced butterfly
the brocken shackle is such a baller keepsake
restive portal
Only early on
Great for boonless runs.
As in early in Tartarus before you have filled slots
viscid notch
You can keep it on if you know what you're doing
But being able to force certain gods or use defensive keepsakes is a lot stronger, you're better off just filling your slots most of the time
restive portal
Artemis cast is good with something from Aphrodite to inflict weak, and then hope for heart rend duo boon.
ionic lava
are demeter boons good
wanton fiber
Which is better death defiance or stubborn defiance
viscid notch
Death Defiance
Until later on
When you unlock ||Heat and try pushing||
Yes
Also spoiler that
static wharf
Oh
opaque spruce
Which is better death defiance or stubborn defiance
imo stubborn defiance suck cus where you are most likely to die is bosses and mini bosses and u may llose multuple so stubborn defience just isnt that good imo
im sure some people like it but for the majority stick with death defiance
wanton fiber
imo stubborn defiance suck cus where you are most likely to die is bosses and mi...
How is stubborn defiance different
Than death defiance
valid shoal
Because it’s one per room
So what do you die more too normal rooms or boss rooms
Since in boss rooms you are likely to need more than one defiance
wanton fiber
Well I need only one defiance for a boss but I need like 2 for hades
valid shoal
Spoiler tags please
opaque spruce
Well I need only one defiance for a boss but I need like 2 for hades
thennnn go death defiance
also as u go further into the game there are things that make it harder
so u may lose more
buoyant jay
Stubborn defiance is for ||higher heat||
valid shoal
Also spoiler tags please
valid shoal
||no because it’s the best way to heal with lasting consequences 4||
opaque spruce
||because hades gains a third phase and becomes a lot harder and theseus and asterius beocome a lot harder especially asterius cus he can beyblade||
valid shoal
But ||benefits package and jury summons make normal rooms hard so you want subborn||
buoyant jay
||because hades gains a third phase and becomes a lot harder and theseus and ast...
||Using it is mandatory for lasting consequences 4||
opaque spruce
||no because it’s the best way to heal with lasting consequences 4||
||oh right its minus 100 percent healing||
buoyant jay
||oh right its minus 100 percent healing||
And ||you don’t have to take em4, so his third phase is optional||
opaque spruce
And ||you don’t have to take em4, so his third phase is optional||
||but you dsid only say hihger heat not max so u dont have to taking max lasting consquences either||
buoyant jay
||but you dsid only say hihger heat not max so u dont have to taking max lasting...
||max lasting consequences is considered a good strategy for 32 heat onwards||
restive portal
Maybe move this to a different channel?
buoyant jay
Yeah sorry
gray haven
Bruh.
polar finch
prisma temple
is aegis better against bone hydra or the railgun
stoic meadow
What aspect?
prisma temple
fighting it in general
polar finch
they both do fine
prisma temple
stoic meadow
fighting it in general
I guess Exagryph can just camp the hydra out and fight it from a safer distance, which means you're less likely to get hit by the stomping attacks
It can also attack the mini-hydras from further away, to similar benefits
But the hydra's attacks are pretty predictable, so there isn't usually too much risk to using melee weapons like aegis
And maybe Bull Rush can help you move across the lava pools without needing to use up your dashes and possibly get whacked afterwards
polar finch
with shield you can also just stick zeus special on it and use that
the base attack is pretty meh without cshot
prisma temple
also how do I upgrade my weapons
stoic meadow
with shield you can also just stick zeus special on it and use that
I don't think they knew about ||weapon aspects|| though
prisma temple
I used zeus's special
stoic meadow
also how do I upgrade my weapons
You need to unlock all weapons first
prisma temple
You need to unlock all weapons first
I did
stoic meadow
And then you need to spend Titan Blood to upgrade them
polar finch
did you do a run afterwards
stoic meadow
Yeah, they don't instantly unlock
polar finch
after that you just go up to a weapon, interact to pick it up, then interact again to open the aspect menu
prisma temple
after that you just go up to a weapon, interact to pick it up, then interact aga...
:0
stoic meadow
not zeus aspect
Ah, I thought you meant Zeus aspect because I wouldn't have thought of using Zeus special without that aspect
polar finch
its the best damage wise
stoic meadow
I guess
prisma temple
also what talents should I spend the most darkness on
stoic meadow
I reckon Death Defiance is pretty important
polar finch
most important perks are greater reflex, death defiance, and thick skin, and dark foresight
stoic meadow
I haven't upgraded it to full because I felt it would make the game a bit too easy, but I could probably compensate that by just running higher heat
Heat is hard
polar finch
err spoiler tag that
stoic meadow
most important perks are greater reflex, death defiance, and thick skin, and dar...
||Persuasion or Authority|| are also pretty nice
prisma temple
me not even knowing what heat means
stoic meadow
Oh, yeah
dusty vault
Spoiler marked the wrong thing
stoic meadow
A roguelike with actual story isn't something I'd seen before
polar finch
prisma temple
I'm gonna turn on god mode to reach the end of the story and start over without god mode
stoic meadow
Cool!
gray haven
most important perks are greater reflex, death defiance, and thick skin, and dar...
Chthonic Vitality.
steep musk
I'm gonna turn on god mode to reach the end of the story and start over without ...
fair enough!
god mode is a pretty cool feature, tbh
toxic idol
most important perks are greater reflex, death defiance, and thick skin, and dar...
Can anyone tell me what the purpose of Stubborn Defiance is?
Either i loose multiple defiances in a boss fight or none at all. Having just one is kinda bad, no?
polar finch
||high heat||
toxic idol
||high heat||
But even then... Mh. I guess 30 upwards it can be useful, yeah
stoic meadow
Either i loose multiple defiances in a boss fight or none at all. Having just on...
Styx can be rough sometimes
You can have a ton of rats drop poison everywhere and take a lot of damage
So having a good few uses of it could probably help in that scenario
Besides, if you screw up in a room, saves having to use so much money for a Kiss of Styx
Now the one we should really be asking about
Is Ruthless Reflex
toxic idol
Yeah.. for a lot of the choices it's really just one being flat out better in most cases
gray haven
Stubborn Defiance is meta in endgame stuff. That's basically it.
polar finch
rr is good for hidden fists and can be good for shields for dealing with time
stoic meadow
Yeah.. for a lot of the choices it's really just one being flat out better in mo...
In some cases it can be build-dependant, too
gray haven
Ruthless Reflex + Greatest Reflex I'd argue is better than Greater Reflex + Greatest Reflex. Just less consistent.
stoic meadow
Hrm
But without Greater Reflex, dodging big moves like the ||hades spin|| is probably a lot harder
And that's 40 damage
stoic meadow
Yeah
dark gale
so i finally unlocked all weapons and have been introduced to all those aspects
any tips
restive portal
Try them all out and keep using the one(s) you like the most.
Ah you haven't unlocked them all yet...
I misunderstood.
Some are definitely only at their best when fully or nearly fully upgraded.
steep musk
cough cough chaos
restive portal
I mean lots of it depends on your play style.
Zeus shield is fun even on low level. Chiron is good on low level with Dionysus Special. Hera is decent low level.
The one I had most fun with was Talos though.
Take Poseidon special and look for Razor Shoals and maybe Sea Storm (Zeus duo)
restive portal
Can also be good.
restive portal
Achilles spear can be good for cast builds. Oh and Eris rail is also worth a look.
Sounds like you're more into melee though
I'd still suggest Talos fists then with just 1 level unlocked.
nova patio
Achilles Spear is probably my favorite for casts these days
It's just too much fun, mechanically
polar finch
talos
odd shoal
Bestlos 
chrome jay
Any tips against ||theseus? It's a 2 in one fight, and it's very hectic||
steep musk
learn his attack patterns, asterius is usually easier to fight as long as you dodge his attack so take care of him first
chrome jay
learn his attack patterns, asterius is usually easier to fight as long as you do...
So get there enough times to eventually not die, along with killing the bull first? Gotchu
thx
steep musk
(don’t think you need to spoiler that boss here)
chrome jay
(don’t think you need to spoiler that boss here)
I mean, I guessed it'd be suggestive enough but sure
like, how many bulls are there in greek mythology?
steep musk
the channel topic say no spoilers after/including the last boss, so i think you’re fine to talk about the minotaur and theseus here
chrome jay
huh, so most of the game is technically not a spoiler?
Or am I missing the idea of just where the story really ends
steep musk
you might be
anyway yeah, theseus and asterius are tough but predictable, it gets easier the more you get there
chrome jay
ok, thanks
dusty vault
For theseus watch for the mark on you that appears when theseus is about to throw the spear
dull ore
I am trying to romance Thanotos and Meg but the former doesn't seem to appear in the House. Am I missing something?
steep musk
nope, he’s just rare af
make sure to give him nectar immediately after you see him as he will most likely poof after
he usually appears on the balcony in the rest hall when he’s there
dull ore
I now have the chance to romance Meg. If I do so, does the option to romance Thanatos remain open?
shadow tulip
how do you get zag to learn the lyre for the achievement?
lyric bear
Any tips against ||theseus? It's a 2 in one fight, and it's very hectic||
Beat up the bull
When the guy throws his spear, he turns around after catching it. Smack him for big damage when he does that
When the guy does his spin attack, doubledash into it if you're close enough when it comes out. You can then turn around and backstab the guy real quick
If you're fast, when the guy calls the gods you can get in some attacks while running away from the initial circles
When the bull is doing leapslam, dash under him, then turn around and backstab him
If you're struggling, switch to shield. You can just lmao the fight by blocking everything
Also, if you're running a Zeus build watch out. Your chain lightning can hit the guy and trigger his second phase early
Same concern if you're running a ||Demeter|| cast build
The lasers are AI controlled, and if you don't face them right they might focus on the guy instead of the bull
If the guy and the bull get close to each other, run away and dodge laterally cause the bulls about to throw the guy at you
vestal wind
I am trying to romance Thanotos and Meg but the former doesn't seem to appear in...
Hold on Zags gay?
drifting cedar
steep musk
yeah probably
idk i just like defining him as queer
vestal wind
steep musk
ig his sexuality depends on the player
glass cedar
Bow charged shot count as a Dash-Strike?
dusty vault
If you dash before charging
You see if it dash strikes because the charge will be faster + slighty less dmg
glass cedar
ah okay ty, jsut asking for the Halting Lunge boon "Your Dash-Srike deals +98% damage"
pliant juniper
What should I spend early game titan blood on? I don’t have a particular favoured play style, I just want to try and pick a build that doesn’t need 15x titan blood to be effective that is somewhat easy to build on a run and I can beat the final boss for the first time with
Should I just go with the posidon sword upgrade in the top 6 easiest builds video?
If I had to pick a favourite weapon though it would probably be the spear
ivory phoenix
Which god would you guys say gives the best abilities?
viscid notch
Which god would you guys say gives the best abilities?
Each of the gods have their synergies with weapons/builds/aspects etc, and they also have some not so good stuff aswell, there is no best among them, they’re all reasonably well balanced
restive portal
If I had to pick a favourite weapon though it would probably be the spear
I wouldn't classify Poseidon sword as an obviously easy build.
My personal suggestion would be one or more of:
Talos Fists (Poseidon special, Zeus attack, Razor Shoals, Sea Storm, Jolted, Double Strike, Explosive Upper or Draining Cutter hammers)
Chiron bow (5 arrows, Dionysus special, Aphrodite attack, Zeus call, Flurry Shot or Relentless Volley if you can)
Zeus Shield with Zeus special, Jolted and more Zeus.
dusty vault
Suggesting dio call on dio special is
restive portal
For low level spear aspects, you could try Achilles, but it's real only great after level 3 or 4.
restive portal
Suggesting dio call on dio special is <:bouldy:523329116934635534>
True, you gotta be careful with that.
dusty vault
Eh achilles works well enough imo
Lvl 1 achilles is already more cast dmg than most cast aspects
restive portal
Don't hit things hit by the call with the special or you replace the high damage call effect with the lower damage special one.
Achilles is also not going to feel like "playing with the spear" as much.
I fixed the Dio call suggestion
dusty vault
If you want anotjer dio core, trippy shot will unlock his legendary
ionic lava
Whats the best boons on shield
slate finch
zeus is fun
oh you meant boons
Focus is typically on Attack or Special or both. It's versatile!
Attack: Heartbreak Strike (Aphrodite), Divine Strike (Athena), Deadly Strike (Artemis), or Curse of Agony (Ares)
Special: Heartbreak Flourish (Aphrodite), Divine Flourish (Athena), Deadly Flourish (Artemis), or Curse of Pain (Ares)
Dash: Divine Dash (Athena)
slate finch
newbie build guide is pinned and is very useful
ionic lava
newbie build guide is pinned and is very useful
Ok thank u
leaden whale
how do you unlock weapons?
gray haven
With Cthonic Keys.
lusty trout
ig his sexuality depends on the player
He's bisexual
Raging bisexual no questions asked
leaden whale
i mean how to you get to where you can upgrade them
lusty trout
Do you have the 6 weapons unlocked?
leaden whale
i just unlocked my last one
lusty trout
Do you mean to unlock aspects?
leaden whale
yeah
grave storm
you need 1 more run after unlocking everything
leaden whale
thanks
grave storm
Then pick a weapon up and interact with the spot again
stoic meadow
Wait I have to hit cerberus?
No, you never have to attack cerberus
chrome jay
No, you never have to attack cerberus
so he's just standing here in styx to greet me?
stoic meadow
He just sits there to block the way, can't attack or be attacked
You get him to move away and let you by by trying to find food for him
That's the purpose of the rooms in the left path of the Styx hub
You can only find the bag of food by going through those tunnels, it's a random chance to find a specific room with a fountain and said bag of food that lets you leave
waxen cave
is there a way to know which tunnel has the bag?
steep musk
nope
chrome jay
and I'm dead. Well, not like I dealt any damage anyway lol
stoic meadow
is there a way to know which tunnel has the bag?
Usually you get the bag in two tunnels, on average, at least for me
viscid notch
Its never the first
stoic meadow
But it's possible for it to take all five
Though very unlikely
It's only happened to me once
maiden ruin
It's never in the first and there's a 54% chance it's in the second
stoic meadow
and I'm dead. Well, not like I dealt any damage anyway lol
Styx can be pretty rough, with the 30-damage traps, and the whole poison mechanic isn't very forgiving
Don't worry, it'll get better
stoic meadow
I personally have a lot of trouble in Styx whenever I run Exagryph, since not being able to stun the Snakestones means I end up getting chipped away slowly, since their attacks can be hard to dodge
I especially hate it when you have Snakestones attacking from several angles, so you can't hide behind cover
waxen cave
I personally have a lot of trouble in Styx whenever I run Exagryph, since not be...
same
viscid notch
Styx is somewhat of a dps check because the enemies are beefy
waxen cave
the amored rats are brutal
I accidentally gave up but I quit the game while it was loading and managed the my progress back 
stoic meadow
Honestly, I can't wait for the inevitable time when ||I turn on the trap damage heat point and just take 150 damage from one axe and die instantly||
waxen cave
Honestly, I can't wait for the inevitable time when ||I turn on the trap damage ...
I ||turned on the trap heat and lost to the ceramic jars in the hades fight 
||
waxen cave
apparently
stoic meadow
Are the ||heat waves traps?||
steep musk
||trap heat is bait but lets not talk about heat here||
stoic meadow
||trap heat is bait but lets not talk about heat here||
Probably a good idea
viscid notch
Are the ||heat waves traps?||
No
stoic meadow
OK thank god
waxen cave
||trap heat is bait but lets not talk about heat here||
kk
chrome jay
In how many escape attempts do you usually reach the surface? Just curious
stoic meadow
I believe my first victory was #43
waxen cave
I took a ton of attempts for the first time
waxen cave
I believe my first victory was #43
I think mine was around there too
the death defiance mirror upgrade helped me tons btw
upbeat basin
the most important factor is the mirror of night
viscid notch
Rng is a factor aswell
stoic meadow
the death defiance mirror upgrade helped me tons btw
Yeah
I've been keeping it at level 1 for a long time because I felt that, at the level I'm playing at right now, having several would make the game too easy
waxen cave
can I disable mirror upgrades?
stoic meadow
Yeah
waxen cave
how
stoic meadow
You can reset all mirror upgrades and get the Darkness back by spending one Chthonic Key
waxen cave
You can reset all mirror upgrades and get the Darkness back by spending one Chth...
oh true
I like having death defiance so I can complete runs with weapons I don't use a lot
supple seal
I like having death defiance so I can complete runs with weapons I don't use a l...
oh that's a smart idea
stoic meadow
I like having death defiance so I can complete runs with weapons I don't use a l...
The stonks moment when Patroclus refills all three of your death defiances
waxen cave
The stonks moment when Patroclus refills all three of your death defiances
that dude saved me so many times
dark gale
how can i get heroic boons
stoic meadow
I'm not sure if they spawn naturally, but you can get them via increasing rarity of boons
stoic meadow
So, say, that one demeter power that gives rarity every 3 encounters
upbeat basin
misread
viscid notch
Asphodel NPC or ||Rare Crop||
stoic meadow
Yarn of Adiadne
waxen cave
I'm not sure if they spawn naturally, but you can get them via increasing rarity...
I got one naturally
stoic meadow
Eurydice
waxen cave
I don't remember what it was
viscid notch
They can also be offered as a swap
stoic meadow
I got one naturally
They must be pretty rare
supple seal
(also looking at the profile of the gods and their boon list, it will say what boons you need to have them combine and get the heroic/duo ones)
stoic meadow
You sure you didn't have rarity enhancers?
viscid notch
It’s a swap
waxen cave
You sure you didn't have rarity enhancers?
I had the mirror ones
viscid notch
Heroic boons cant be offered aside from swaps
viscid notch
It is through the use of the 4th bow and insane damage + rng
waxen cave
It is through the use of the 4th bow and insane damage + rng
sounds crazy
viscid notch
So if you’re just casually playing it’s never possible no
It is
It’s an unreasonable amount of damage
steep musk
how would you even get that much damage wow
waxen cave
It is through the use of the 4th bow and insane damage + rng
explosive shot + crits + ares extra damage + ||4th aspect special|| might
viscid notch
Well yes, but only through the use of ||Shared suffering|| otherwise the boss barrier is fast enough
waxen cave
any melee blade enjoyers here
me 
viscid notch
explosive shot + crits + ares extra damage + ||4th aspect special|| might
Not nearly enough unfortunately
waxen cave
Not nearly enough unfortunately
damn
dark gale
me <:chad:858107571818201158>
real players like to get up close
stoic meadow
any melee blade enjoyers here
Shield main
supple seal
any melee blade enjoyers here
ayyoooo
dark gale
chad blade enjoyers vs average rail fans
supple seal
I prefer the blade or spear or the fists
supple seal
true
stoic meadow
Zeus shield
supple seal
i think i have used the aspect of arthur on the sword whish is awesome
stoic meadow
Second favorites are Achilles spear and most bow aspects
waxen cave
also matters what aspect you use
stygius 4th aspect are for the real chads
stoic meadow
i think i have used the aspect of arthur on the sword whish is awesome
I personally find this one really hard to use, I've run Poseidon a few times with Exit Wounds and it was pretty cool
supple seal
I personally find this one really hard to use, I've run Poseidon a few times wit...
I will have to try that!
stoic meadow
But if I run this weapon in the future I'll probably use Nemesis
supple seal
i prefer the aspect of hades on the spear if i'm honest
stoic meadow
reloading <:uncanny:933834278050082826>
Eternal Chamber
waxen cave
reloading <:uncanny:933834278050082826>
this is why you get tri burst
supple seal
infinite ammo
plus the upgrade to make it 22 amo capacity? hell yeah
stoic meadow
The lack of stun has brought me some problems, though
The reason I generally run bow as my ranged weapon of reference
dark gale
chad charged bow
junior oyster
For aspect of guan yu is it 5 aspects unlocked randomly or just 5 titans blood spent no matter where
rapid valley
Do each of the bows special arrows trigger zeus lightning effect or just the first arrow hit?
polar finch
depends on how far you space them apart. its usually 1 or 2
restive portal
Do each of the bows special arrows trigger zeus lightning effect or just the fir...
There's an internal cool down so it's usually limited. Basically you mostly want to avoid Zeus special on bows for exactly that reason.
tranquil shuttle
is aegis better than coronacht?
tranquil shuttle
hmm alright
kind remnant
pliant juniper
Does last stand give an extra death defiance if you haven’t died yet?
Or is it just a waste to take
polar finch
wont give another. but youll still have the extra dd healing
junior oyster
Whats the difference between the boons gaining a level and gaining a higher rarity
Is there a reason to use rarity over level
slate finch
rarity boosts more than a single level, plus level buffs stagnate
valid shoal
Rarity however is harder to upgrade. For some boons it matters a lot and for others not so much
slate finch
is there any way to upgrade rarity other than euridice?
stoic meadow
Rarity however is harder to upgrade. For some boons it matters a lot and for oth...
Like with unupgradeable boons, it'll matter a lot
A ||demeter|| boon
Yarn of Ariadne from Charon's well
But mostly Eurydice, yeah
stoic meadow
Yarn of Ariadne from Charon's well
And this one only makes the next boon have better rarity, instead of upgrading boons you already have
So not sure if it counts
There's a duo boon that makes all boons at least epic, but I don't know if it affects boons you already have
arctic hamlet
No that’s just the ones you find after
stoic meadow
Too bad
brave sierra
will damage from hazard bomb consume an acorn charge?
stoic meadow
Probably
upbeat basin
you mean the acorn keepsake?
brave sierra
yeah
upbeat basin
um, that keepsake prevent only boss attacks
not sure if there's one with hazard bombs
I might be terrible wrong lol
brave sierra
theres a daedelus boon that makes it so you can hurt yourself with your bombs
upbeat basin
ooooooh
brave sierra
not sure if that counts as boss damage on a boss encounter
brave sierra
ahh okay
upbeat basin
precisely bc it's YOUR bombs, got that?
brave sierra
yeah that makes sense
stoic meadow
Hrm
But the charm only specifices it can resist damage while in the region's final encounter
Not that the actual source of the damage has to be from the boss
Misinformation pog
upbeat basin
might be
at first I figure that too
but then, seeing my gameplays, the shield from the acorn only activates in the final biomes
like Meg, the Hydra, etc
brave sierra
description says first 4 times "foes hit you"
brave sierra
just tested it, looks like it gets triggered
so either description is incorrecdt or the special is considered a "foe"
stoic meadow
it's a pretty good keepsake, also. Save me from some trouble
Acorn is broken AF
Can easily save you, what, 200 damage from ||Hades||?
upbeat basin
the first attacks, yes
stoic meadow
Especially if you're taking extra damage for reasons that I probably shouldn't be discussing in this channel
upbeat basin
can't say "easily", 'cause it's a hard biome, but it blocks the attacks, sure
upbeat basin
oh, k. Yeah, guess it blocks
stoic meadow
Anywho
Top tier keepsake for sure
I generally try to avoid it since it just seems too good
upbeat basin
hahahaha feel you
stoic meadow
And my game isn't all that hard yet
upbeat basin
I always get the skelly keepsake bc I don't care much about damage
but the acorn it's a top tier for sure
dusty vault
Acorn comfy
boreal dagger
Hi! Started playing the game about a week and a half ago and have already sunk 40 hours into it, such a blast! Quick question, the wiki says that I need to pet Cerberus 20 times and get his hearts to just before the favor lock to get his favor, but I've definitely done that and nothing has popped up and no conversations have become available
I haven't seen him have a "!" conversation marker in like 15 or so runs I'd say
stoic meadow
At the very least, you probably have to exit and return to the house after the requirements for the favor are met
But I recall it taking a whole for me too
Definitely not this long
stoic meadow
Hi! Started playing the game about a week and a half ago and have already sunk 4...
I'm not exactly sure how it works
But I don't think you can get all 20 pets in one sitting
Huh
Wifi did weird stuff to the message order
boreal dagger
No worries haha. Anyway yeah I tried just sitting there for like 10 minutes and petting him 20 times, and I tried petting him like 5 times each in between runs
I guess I'll just pet him once or twice as I come through the hall and it'll happen when it happens
stoic meadow
Yeah
This really is a game where you spend stupid amounts of resources and grind for several games just to get funny dialog and a little icon that does nothing on top of a charm you might not even use
And somehow it's the funnest thing ever
boreal dagger
it do be that way indeed
what i sent to my friend earlier who got the game for me and is super into it haha
stoic meadow
https://i.imgur.com/uZ3dmQn.png
Lmao
A dating sim where you get to fight to the death with a potential girlfriend
boreal dagger
ill row with my hands
im sure nothing bad can come of sticking my arm in the river Styx, right?
stoic meadow
dusty vault
I doubt Charon will let you mess with his job anyways
boreal dagger
but I bonded with him 
polar finch
bond of obols
stoic meadow
but I bonded with him <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
I love how the sound effects this game uses sound like they were taken from some random youtube video lmfao
boreal dagger
lmao yeah
do i just suck or do aphrodite got hands
I've died every time I chose someone else in one of the trial things
stoic meadow
I've only gotten Aphro mad once and it seemed tame enough
The projectiles are pretty slow
The ones that get me the most are artemis and zeus
Zeus because I can't always focus for that long, and the reticles appear relatively fast
And Artemis because the reticles move around so much and I end up getting caught
pseudo narwhal
I have the literal opposite
arty and zeus are really easy to avoid for me
but aphro just does so much damageee
viscid notch
odd shoal
You can’t anger aphro in a trial if you never get her in the first place
dark gale
how do you unlock the fourth aspects?
viscid notch
Check pins in #h1-story-discussion
limpid trench
What's the best keepsake to use throughout asphodel and elysium, the lucky tooth or the old spiked collar? I'm new to the game and started yesterday, furthest I've gotten is to the minotaur in elysium.
buoyant jay
What's the best keepsake to use throughout asphodel and elysium, the lucky tooth...
Acorn for Elysium, gods keepsake for asphodel
Have you given nectar to all the Olympian gods you’ve seen yet?
limpid trench
Have you given nectar to all the Olympian gods you’ve seen yet?
not yet
but ive given it to a few
buoyant jay
but ive given it to a few
You should give one to ares, Artemis, Aphrodite, Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus, and Eurydice
limpid trench
Usually I'm using the spiked collar for tartarus, lucky tooth for asphodel if I already used my death defiance, and whatever for elysium
limpid trench
You should give one to ares, Artemis, Aphrodite, Zeus, Poseidon, Dionysus, and E...
yeah ill probably give one to artemis or dionysis soon if I encounter them again
buoyant jay
yeah ill probably give one to artemis or dionysis soon if I encounter them again
The keepsakes they give you guarantee that you’ll see them during the run.
limpid trench
The keepsakes they give you guarantee that you’ll see them during the run.
yeah. I have the athena one, is that worth using to get divine dash? and which world should I use it for?
buoyant jay
The acorn, given by Eurydice, let’s you avoid taking damage the first 3 times during every last boss fight per region. 5 when you get it to three stars
limpid trench
The acorn, given by Eurydice, let’s you avoid taking damage the first 3 times du...
how do I talk to eurydice?
buoyant jay
yeah. I have the athena one, is that worth using to get divine dash? and which w...
Divine dash is very useful. It’s fine to start with it in the first 2 regions
buoyant jay
how do I talk to eurydice?
So you haven’t seen her yet? She shows up in asphodel sometimes in a special room with a ! On the door.
limpid trench
the acorn sounds super useful for asphodel, maybe elysium but I've only gotten there once
buoyant jay
It takes a few runs for her to show up
limpid trench
So you haven’t seen her yet? She shows up in asphodel sometimes in a special roo...
;-; ive seen that door but i skipped it lol
i didnt know what it was
buoyant jay
;-; ive seen that door but i skipped it lol
Eurydice is very useful. It’ll show up again
Her rewards can level up your boons and increase boon rarity
limpid trench
yeah that acorn sounds super strong, it'll let me unleash a lot of damage on the hydra without moving
thanks, once I get that keepsake ill make sure to use it for elysium
buoyant jay
The ! Room in Elysium is also good because he can replenish all your death defiances
limpid trench
The ! Room in Elysium is also good because he can replenish all your death defia...
whatt why didnt I know this sooner
steep musk
any door with ! is a story room and the people in there are quite helpful
buoyant jay
Yes
limpid trench
thats good to know. I'll use the tooth or a gods keepsake for asphodel until i get the acorn
I was actually using god mode until I got to elysium for the first time, I realized it was kind of getting too easy with that
buoyant jay
thats good to know. I'll use the tooth or a gods keepsake for asphodel until i g...
A good tip to remember is that you can only have four unique gods to take boons from per run, so if you got boons from Athena Poseidon Aphrodite and Zeus, you wouldn’t see Dionysus, ares, and Artemis without taking their keepsakes.
steep musk
(lord hermes and master chaos don’t apply)
steep musk
theyre not like the other gods
buoyant jay
They’re special
steep musk
they’re 
quirky
devout jackal
The irony is that they don't have any more time for you
gray haven
yeah. I have the athena one, is that worth using to get divine dash? and which w...
Owl Pendant for Divine Dash is a very solid strategy. If you want to go for that, I'd generally recommend you start in Tartarus with whatever god you want to be your main source of damage, and then switch to the Owl Pendant in Asphodel to get Divine Dash.
You'd want to keep your Dash slot open throughout Tartarus, naturally, if you want to get Divine Dash in Asphodel.
limpid trench
Owl Pendant for Divine Dash is a very solid strategy. If you want to go for that...
the issue is I'm not good enough to risk using god keepsakes over something like the spiked collar or the lucky tooth
buoyant jay
just get more health because the effect for the spiked collar goes away if you unequip it.
gray haven
I don't think so. Not starting with good damage is probably holding you back more. Because your build is just gonna be very random.
limpid trench
I can beat meg consistently(although i've only encountered her like 6 times)but im usually left with 20 health or lower
buoyant jay
same with lucky tooth but you shouldnt be using it early on
gray haven
Learning to actually make the most out of just any random god pool takes a looot of experience.
limpid trench
I don't think so. Not starting with good damage is probably holding you back mor...
so something like an artemis boon right off the bat? ill work towards that
gray haven
But if you can start with something decent consistently, you're gonna have a lot fewer problems.
buoyant jay
what weapon are you using anyway
gray haven
I'd recommend Heartbreak Strike/Flourish from Lady Aphrodite over crits. It's high damage and also inflicts Weak on enemies.
limpid trench
the bull rush lets me clear multiple enemies and the block helps me deal with megs and the hydra's projectiles
buoyant jay
weak helps take less damage from enemies
gray haven
Unless you know how to build crits to beat Lady Aphrodite's boons in DPS, they're just gonna do about the same damage or worse. But Lady Aphrodite's boons also inflict Weak.
Weak is especially good for bosses where they're probably gonna be Weak for pretty much the whole fight.
At 30% damage reduction, that's like having +43% HP.
She also has more boons like Life Affirmation to buff your effective HP.
limpid trench
i dont really know much about boons and how to synergize them, I usually pick whatever works best with my weapon and if I find something that compliments a boon I already have, I'll use it
gray haven
Yeah, which makes Heartbreak Strike/Flourish a lot simpler.
She has the highest % damage in those two slots.
So you're just starting out with great damage and have Weak as well.
limpid trench
yeah heartbreak strike sounds like an alternative to artemis's boon so thats nice
buoyant jay
you'll learn eventually. though you usually don't need a lot of specific ones to win
there's lots of different combinations and options
limpid trench
but I'm going to do a few more runs before I start using those keepsakes. Currently I absolutely need the health/lucky tooth to have a shot at getting past the hydra
gray haven
I'd say unless you're playing the rail or the spear... the easiest and probably best build if you're new to the game is to just get Heartbreak Strike + Divine Dash, and then just double down on HP and damage reduction + dodge chance.
limpid trench
but I'm going to do a few more runs before I start using those keepsakes. Curren...
hydra is somewhat easy but i take a little too much passive damage and end up dying
gray haven
That should also help you with the Hydra.
buoyant jay
i usually look out for health upgrades until I have at least 200 health
i've never cleared with lower than that.
limpid trench
I'd say unless you're playing the rail or the spear... the easiest and probably ...
yeah. Again, I'm going to stick with the collar for tartarus for atleast 1-2 more runs before I switch to a god keepsake
gray haven
I'd say you shouldn't have any upper limit looking for more HP when you're new to the game.
limpid trench
i usually look out for health upgrades until I have at least 200 health
how do you get those?
buoyant jay
how do you get those?
the centaur hearts sometimes on doors
like when it shows a heart or it's sometimes in charon's shop
it adds to your life total
limpid trench
the centaur hearts sometimes on doors
yeah but dont those just give you extra health? maybe i just didnt notice that they also gave me extra overall hp
gray haven
+25 max HP and also 25 right then, yeah.
buoyant jay
yeah but dont those just give you extra health? maybe i just didnt notice that t...
they also give you extra overall hp. heal 25, give +25 more total
limpid trench
they also give you extra overall hp. heal 25, give +25 more total
yeah dang I guess i just never noticed
buoyant jay
yeah dang I guess i just never noticed
maxing out thick skin will also give you 100 health at the start, if you haven't done that already
limpid trench
also someone mentioned using the acorn above, once I get that ill definitely use it for elysium
buoyant jay
yeah that was me
limpid trench
maxing out thick skin will also give you 100 health at the start, if you haven't...
i dont think i unlocked that in the mirror of darkness yet
i already maxed most of what i have available but I'm trying to save up a bit of darkness for another death defiance
buoyant jay
another death defiance is a good idea. how many do you have
limpid trench
another death defiance is a good idea. how many do you have
1
buoyant jay
after that you should get thick skin and deep pockets
limpid trench
just started yesterday, which is why the tooth is so helpful to me
buoyant jay
that makes sense.
once you have more death defiances you can get used to playing without the lucky tooth
limpid trench
I've actually been playing god mode since I started but I realized it was a little too easy and I didnt want to rush through the game, so I turned it off and I'm still managing to get to the hydra pretty easily
but I died to the hydra because I was using the spiked collar and had already used my death defiance
gray haven
If you think god mode makes things a little too easy. Well... Heartbreak Strike also reduces damage, by 30%, right off the bat. That's the idea.
limpid trench
once you have more death defiances you can get used to playing without the lucky...
yeah. I want to get better at avoiding damage and everything before resorting to god keepsakes
buoyant jay
there's ways to replenish death defiances by buying kisses of styx in the purple wells of charon, and in the ! room in elysium
limpid trench
If you think god mode makes things a little too easy. Well... Heartbreak Strike ...
yeah I got to about 30 percent or so on god mode and although it was still hard, it let me beat the hydra first try and a lot of it just felt like a breeze since I was able to spam
thats why i turned it off
limpid trench
there's ways to replenish death defiances by buying kisses of styx in the purple...
yeah
buoyant jay
i won with a random build on my first win, but that's only because i didn't know how things worked and how controlling my build could make winning easier. after I used the gods keepsakes, I started winning more frequently
limpid trench
ill do another one or two runs then switch to athena's keepsake or aphrodites on tartarus, heartbreak strike seems pretty good(if i manage to get it every time)
gray haven
The one issue with the Lucky Tooth is that it only works after you already lost your DD. Which makes it a decent option if you've lost your DD already to hopefully carry you far enough to get a DD back or something; but if you still have your DD, then you want a strategy that prevents you from losing it in the first place. And that's where higher damage output and damage reduction comes in.
Spiked Collar can be nice very early in the game just to get you through Tartarus, but if you compare it to having Weak from the start, then... they do almost the same thing except Weak on your Attack also ensures you do good damage.
limpid trench
the game is super fun, a lot of people made it out to be super hard and super technical in the sense where u had to carefully think about every decision to make ANY progress but thats not always true
gray haven
Well, starting with her keepsake guarantees you'll see 3 out Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash. So that's a 75% chance you get her Attack from the very first boon.
limpid trench
The one issue with the Lucky Tooth is that it only works *after* you already los...
yeah. I've only played one run without god mode so far, got to the hydra but i lost my death defiance to meg on accident and I was running the spiked collar, but now i know better. In that case, if I can manage it, I'll just use a god keepsake in asphodel right away as long as I still have my death defiance
limpid trench
Well, starting with her keepsake guarantees you'll see 3 out Attack, Special, Ca...
i hate the cast ones, I get that cast has its place but bow has the range to cover it anyways and the shield has its special
gray haven
If you don't get it, you can go for her Dash, which has very good pom scaling and can very reliably apply Weak... or her Cast and just put a lot of poms on her Cast. Her Cast is a very powerful build on its own. You don't even need to know how to play the weapon well, you can just use her powerful Cast to kill everything.
All my early wins were with her Cast actually lol.
limpid trench
yeah the dash boons are nice but those are still pretty specific, i dont use the dash attack very often but maybe i should
dusty vault
If you are using bow you def want to use dash strikes
gray haven
Dash-Strikes on the bow charge like your normal Attack, but they charge faster.
limpid trench
If you are using bow you def want to use dash strikes
yeah I do, but I've kinda drifted away from the bow at this point
shield feels better and the bull rush lets me clown on some of the minor-mid bosses
viscid notch
limpid trench
Minor-mid bosses? That's one way to tell them they're not important.
nah i mean the ones like the ones that throw potions and the really big crystal one that has the baby crystal things
i can basically spam bull dash and take no damage as long as i block here and there
not sure abt the proper name for any of them
gray haven
Yeah, but you're doubling down on the minor/mid. Like instead of picking one, you call them both.
Lady Aphrodite calls them baby bosses.
So we're going with that.
gray haven
Less cultured folk may call them miniboss or mid-boss. But they're wrong. 
gray haven
Nice!
limpid trench
finally defeated theseus and asterius
lmao asterius was a brick wall for me
when i got into elysium for the first time and faced asterius, i got a little bit of damage off but he clowned me completely
dark gale
sea storm helped me a lot