h1-for-new-players

[leaden spade]

if i dont like one i switch to the other

can i do that?

[gray haven]

Yeah, you can switch.

[celest fox]

Yeah everything you buy for the house can be swapped

I forget if you can "unequip" totally new stuff though

[grave storm]

I knew I removed the rug in Zag's room after buying it

[hot horizon]

Hording slash plus money up from Chaos.

Interesting.

[languid dock]

what better for rama. Triple Shot or Twin Shot

[bright sun]

Twin shot imo

[languid dock]

tyy

[kind remnant]

Twin always for bow me thinks

Unless chiron

[gray haven]

Yeah, you can.

[gray haven]

Just personal preference tbh.

[leaden whale]

does the game give you harder variants of bosses when you play more?

i rarely fight meg anymore, and her sisters are wayyyyy harder than meg

meg is lightwork compared to her sisters

[quick drum]

its random as to whether you ||fight meg or tis or alecto||

1/3 chance for each

[leaden whale]

how do u hide text

i should do that

for my response that is

[quick drum]

|| on either side of the message

[leaden whale]

|test|

?

[quick drum]

two of them

[leaden whale]

||test||

okok

[leaden whale]

it's just weird because for the past 20 runs ive only encountered ||meg once, and the other sisters 95% of the time||

||I thought that meg wasnt possible for me to fight anymore until I got her for the one time on my last run||

[quick drum]

youre just unlucky

[leaden whale]

i see, so it'

it's 100% rng

[quick drum]

yes

[leaden whale]

why is rnjesus not blessing me

please tell me D:

[quick drum]

cant help you there

[leaden whale]

do u have a leprechaun nearby?

[quick drum]

just ask bouldy nicely and maybe he will help you out

[leaden whale]

how do i even talk to bouldy

ive never talked to him before only the guy next to em

[quick drum]

i think you need to talk to sisiphys enough for him to tell you to talk to bouldy

[leaden whale]

okay, thanks for all the help

[fierce pagoda]

okey, ive hit quite a big roadblock with mr cow and theseus and wondering if im just suppose to grid Mr mirror, get good or just get better luck with my build.

ive been able to kill the cow with like 1 death recovery thing but never put any significant dmg into mr spear

[kind remnant]

Mirror helps but a good build goes a very long ways

[fierce pagoda]

got it

[viscid notch]

mr cow is very annoying

[kind remnant]

moo

[fading kettle]

Mr Cow xD If it is a spoiler free way of calling one of the characters from the Greek mythology then it really made me chuckle 😄 unless there is a character called Mr Cow, then I cannot wait to meet him 😄

[fierce pagoda]

Mr cow is Mr cow

[coarse kelp]

||Teseo and Minotaur|| are though, I'll have to put actual thought on my build to have any hope of beating them

[cursive coyote]

which of the initial 4 weapons do ya'll prefer? Been using the bow. Still need to unlock the bident/shield

[knotty rune]

bow

pretty much every aspect is based

spear very well could be number 1

if they just made the quick thrust built in

being able to just hold down spear to attack multiple times i think would just be a positive change

even for something like accessibility

it always ends up hurting my fingers alittle if i dont get the right hammers

[cursive coyote]

I just died sadly (stupid butterfly mini-boss area wrecked me). The knockback from Poseidon was nice, and had the Zeus combo

[knotty rune]

very cool combo

i died to that the first time i saw it

but i dont think again after that

[cursive coyote]

do you eventually unlock shotcuts or anything similiar? I feel like full restarting over and over will star getting old

[knotty rune]

hmm

not really

[viscid notch]

You dont

It's the genre of the game

[knotty rune]

the mirror upgrades make you noticeably stronger, and your skills improve a ton as well

so you do eventually get much much faster

[cursive coyote]

fair enough

[knotty rune]

and can regularly do 20-30 minute runs

[cursive coyote]

what, start to end??

[knotty rune]

yeah

[cursive coyote]

that seems insanely fast

[knotty rune]

like 0 glitches, no speedrun stuff, just normal play

just from naturally getting used to the combat, being able to make boon choices faster

[cursive coyote]

farthest so far was halfway? through Elysium

[viscid notch]

It's decent

You can clear in sub10 minutes consistently

[knotty rune]

10 is more like ingame time though

[cursive coyote]

I was doing fine, and then that butterfly spawning miniboss room was insane. Mostly cause everything was armored and the spirit bow guys wrecked me

[knotty rune]

getting sub 10 real time would definitely take some deliberate speed strats

[viscid notch]

Yea I'm referring to ingame time

Sub10 in real time is impossible

[knotty rune]

yeah there are pretty much 2 approaches to that room

either rush down the ball as fast as you can

or play more carefully by killing all the dude eggs before they hatch

generally you need to find a balance between them

but if you let multiple dudes hatch

it gets rough

[cursive coyote]

I was able do dodge everything except the boy guys, cause their arrows mostly came from off screen while I had other stuff on me

[viscid notch]

You gotta have good enough dmg at that point so it doesnt last long

[cursive coyote]

yeahhhhh there was like 8 out at once haha

[knotty rune]

the mirror upgrade that makes cast lodged enemies take more damage is a game changer for rooms like that

[viscid notch]

You can also use your ||summon|| later on when you unlock one

[cursive coyote]

think i had like 130 health when i started, and lost my revive and all but 15 health when i beat it

but then i died a few rooms later

is this lucky tooth charm another revive?

[knotty rune]

yeah

it stacks

its pretty good early on

[cursive coyote]

nice! definitely the most useful trinket so far

[knotty rune]

but because the HP you revive with is fixed, not a %

it doesnt scale as well into late game as some others

like the collar or acorn

yeah early on

its all about those defensive trinkets

[cursive coyote]

I'm on like 4 or 5 deaths so far

[knotty rune]

tbh, id probably say the lava zone minibosses are worse than elysium ones

id pretty much always take butterfly over dusastomp or witch circle

[cursive coyote]

2nd area? I didnt have too much issue there

[knotty rune]

hey halfway through elysium on 5 deaths is pretty good

[cursive coyote]

though the bone boss does a lot of damage, on the second summon part

like there's so many heads I can't find a safe space while i kill some

[knotty rune]

i actually think i beat him on my first attempt

it was insanely clutch and heart pounding

kind of formulaic dude

repeats the same few attacks

[cursive coyote]

I beat first boss first try, died to boney boi, then beat it second go

[knotty rune]

yeah thats about normal id say

do you know how miniboss rooms have a skull icon on the door?

[cursive coyote]

yeah

[knotty rune]

i guess ill say this now so its useful later, but in the area after elysium, most people agree that the miniboss rooms are actually easier than the normal rooms

so it seems backwards, but that could save a run

wish i heard that sooner

[cursive coyote]

oh do you not always have to fight the mini-bosses?

[knotty rune]

m

i think normally you do

but the 4th floor is alittle special
without saying anything too much

[cursive coyote]

Uh i just got a "call". How do i get charges?

[knotty rune]

it just charges when you deal or receive damage

and it automatically reverts back to 0 at the end of a room

so its not something you really save

its something you use in the heat of battle

[cursive coyote]

Well thats good. I'm horrible at using limited consumables. Tend to just save them forever

[viscid notch]

It just lasts for the room

If you don’t use and go into the next encounter it’s back to 0

[knotty rune]

theres something else like that you unlock much later

and i pretty much always forget to use it

[viscid notch]

[cursive coyote]

ooo just found ||a portal to the void|||

[viscid notch]

Get in there 👀

[coarse kelp]

Nice

[knotty rune]

those are pretty much always worth taking

unless theres a boon next

alot of the bonuses are heavily cast focused

so alot of the times you just end up with like, 40% backstab damage

or something

[viscid notch]

They’re not always worth taking if you’re gonna carry a curse to a bossfight

And sometimes normal rooms are enough to kill you

[cursive coyote]

I went with gold drops give 15% more

the portal was literally at the beginning

[viscid notch]

It’s just scripted most likely

Since you’re in your early runs

[cursive coyote]

It's always rough when you're used to your nice upgrades, and start back and square one haha

i miss that beefy knockback

Uh so I'm not even getting half a charge of call, at least one these early rooms

[viscid notch]

You can roughly get the same builds again if you’re not relying on multiple legendaries or duos

Just force the gods using keepsakes

Some aspects are better at building call than others

[cursive coyote]

what as aspects again?

[viscid notch]

Well weapons for now, you’ll unlock aspects later

Fast hitting weapons build call gauge faster

Like Fists Rail etc

[cursive coyote]

which god's boons do you like on the bow? (the base ones)

[viscid notch]

Artemis on the attack, Aphro on the dash and aim for Heartrend

[knotty rune]

green and pink pretty much

like most weapons

[viscid notch]

Popular build

You can also go for Aphro’s attack (not common), and Zeus call for Smoldering Air

This build can dish out more dmg

[cursive coyote]

Poseidon attack was nice last run. That knockback was keeping be safe a lot

[viscid notch]

It’s usually a dps loss, you don’t have to be safe if you’re killing things quickly

[cursive coyote]

Im not sure I understand how people go for builds, when the boons you get seems totally random?

[viscid notch]

A god keepsake guarantees that the next boon you see is from that god

[cursive coyote]

But that's just the first one yeah?

[viscid notch]

So if you start your run with Artemis’ keepsake you can very easily get her attack or dash

Yea, natural gods can help, you can also force one in the next biome

[cursive coyote]

Is the bow dash-attack actually good? I tend to forget it

[viscid notch]

It’s the way to play the weapon optimally

Because your powershots charge faster

You should keep doing dash strikes

[cursive coyote]

wait what

[viscid notch]

And double dash to relocate

[cursive coyote]

i didnt even realize you could do a dash power charge

[viscid notch]

Yea you can, it’s strong

[cursive coyote]

i assumed you had to just do a baby shot

well damn, you just upped my game lol

[viscid notch]

The dash strike is the whole shot

You can hold it as long as you want

It’s still a dash strike

[cursive coyote]

fair

[viscid notch]

If you let go then attack right away without dashing then it’s a standing attack, and it’ll charge slower

[cursive coyote]

Still learning to get the extra damage from a perfect charge

[knotty rune]

that can be pretty dangerous

to over rely on

[viscid notch]

Bows like hammers

[knotty rune]

never mind i was thinking of the shield version

bow is fine to charge pretty much always

the perfect charge shield hammer can really mess you up

since you start blocking based on dps, not defense

and soak hits youre not used to taking

[viscid notch]

Yea that one is useless basically because you wont use it anyway

[coarse kelp]

In my last run I got the shield hammer that gives it that flash during the charge like the one the bow has and it was hard carry for as far as I reached

[viscid notch]

You can make it work

[knotty rune]

thats what were talking about yep

the first time i got it i thought it was really good

[viscid notch]

But it’s nowhere near as good as other shield hammers

[knotty rune]

but everytime after that

stopped using it pretty much

[viscid notch]

Charged Shot is better

If you wanna spam your attack

[coarse kelp]

What are some good builds for the shield? So far I've just picked what seemed the nicest at the moment, but since the elysium boss is giving me some problems I'll start trying actual builds

[viscid notch]

Base shield?

[coarse kelp]

Yeah, I haven't unlocked aspects yet

[knotty rune]

the hammer that makes you attack twice but removes knockback is big on the base shield

you just give it yellow/green/pink gods like normal

[viscid notch]

You can go for the same builds I mentionned earlier for the bow, Arty attack Aphro dash Heartrend or Aphro attack Zeus Call smoldering air

Tidal Dash good for dps, divine dash safety

Charged shot is your best hammer

Followed by Breaching Rush, Sudden Rush and probably Pulverizing blow afterwards

[coarse kelp]

Could you tell me of which god is each of those boons? I'm not familiar with the english terms

[viscid notch]

Heartrend is Aphrodite Artemis Duo boon
Smoldering Air is Aphrodite Zeus duo boon

[cursive coyote]

do you favor pomegranates or centaur hearts?

[viscid notch]

Depends

[knotty rune]

i take pom 90% of the time

but for newer players

its tough

take pom if you already have a really good attack boon probably

thats not at +3 already yet

[coarse kelp]

Are the duo boons the one that appear in the rooms with two boons?

[knotty rune]

those we call trials

[viscid notch]

It depends on your build, a build with 0 poms wont do a whole lot and going into bossfights with 150 hp also isn’t gonna do a whole lot, you gotta balance those 2

[knotty rune]

duo boons are green

like the rarity color will be green instead of blue or purple

[viscid notch]

No, Duo boons cant be offered in trials, they have requirements and once fulfilled can be offered from either god of said duo, you can check them in the codex

[knotty rune]

they can be pretty rare early on

both because you might not see them if you dont go out of your way to get the requirements

and you wont have any appearance rate % from the mirror

[viscid notch]

If you have Dark foresight they should be fine to hunt for

[knotty rune]

which is why early on I say focusing on hammers / getting the right gods for your weapon, is more important for builds

[cursive coyote]

Where in the codex would you see about duo boons? I don't see any boon entries

[viscid notch]

If you’re getting the right gods for a weapon the duo boons will show up eventually anyway

[knotty rune]

you press the - button on switch to see a list of boons that each god has

the duos will be there

and the legendaries too

[viscid notch]

You might need to play more if you don’t have the codex upgrade from the contractor

[coarse kelp]

Do Artemis and Aphrodite have different appearance rates? Maybe it's just a coincidence but I find Artemis much more often than Aphrodite

[knotty rune]

like you go to the zeus page in the codex and press -

[viscid notch]

The base codex doesn’t show them

[cursive coyote]

ahh okay

[viscid notch]

Nope, rng

[knotty rune]

thats true you need a house contractor upgrade maybe

[knotty rune]

hermes is actually different

the rest are the same though

[viscid notch]

But your god pool is 4 gods normally (no hermes or chaos) unless you force a 5th 6th, so if your god pool doesn’t have her she wont show up for the run

Same goes for any god

[cursive coyote]

Well damn, this is making my life a lot easier. Last time I was halfway through elssium with no cast upgrade. Now I have Zeus's

[coarse kelp]

How much is Hermes in comparison to the rest?

[knotty rune]

he will be offered twice every run

[viscid notch]

You get 2 Hermes per run

[knotty rune]

no more, but you can miss him if you dont buy him in shop or choose the wrong door

[viscid notch]

3rd in styx shop if you’re lucky

[coarse kelp]

Is it recommended to always pick Hermes if I can?

[knotty rune]

ehhh

take him over a non boon probably

[viscid notch]

Yes

[knotty rune]

but if a boon for aphro is offered instead

[viscid notch]

It’s not Aphro specifically

Aphro isn’t any superior to other gods

If it’s a useless boon you take the Hermes

You have to know what boons work best with what weapons

[cursive coyote]

By god pool I take it you mean, normally you'll have only 4 gods in a run?

[viscid notch]

Picking up boons isn’t exactly the winning strat

[viscid notch]

Correct

[knotty rune]

once you get 4 gods, you only start seeing repeats of them

[viscid notch]

Unless you force others through keepsakes

[knotty rune]

thats pretty good, since it lets you get multiple zeus boons that all synergize with lightning

but it also means that sometimes, you might want to avoid picking a boon from a god you dont want

[cursive coyote]

do ya'll tend to take hammers if there's an option?

[knotty rune]

or your 4 god pool will be diluted with something you wont use

[knotty rune]

yeah hammers is pretty much the best choice always

maybe a trial is better

since its 2 boons

[cursive coyote]

this door is hammer or shop

[knotty rune]

maybe a story room is better

oh hammer for sure

unless you really need healing and have coin to spend

[coarse kelp]

What is a story room?

[knotty rune]

boulder guy in floor 1, singing girl in floor 2

its npc rooms

they give you free stuff

the singing girl in particular

imo is the best room in the game

that id never not pick

[coarse kelp]

Yeah, upgrading a bunch of boons at once is big

[knotty rune]

but in general its like NPC > hammer > trial > boon > pom maybe

shops are great because theres no enemies so its pretty much a free room, and if you have coin, there usually a boon anyways

• healing

actually tbh, id probably take nectar over any of those things

but thats not really gameplay related

[coarse kelp]

Does giving nectar to someone you already have the keepsake of do anything?

[knotty rune]

it makes them love you more

and that does unlock various things eventually

for now, the bigger focus is giving 1 to each though

aphro, arty, singing girl, skeleton, and dog

those are pretty much the big 5 youll want

[coarse kelp]

What does the singing girl keepsake do?

[knotty rune]

the first 5 times a boss hits you you take 0 damage

it usually adds up to more HP than the dog collar gives you, or the tooth revive

[cursive coyote]

ooo just met the singing lady

[coarse kelp]

That sounds really big

[knotty rune]

it does nothing outside of boss fights though

[coarse kelp]

Also, who is the elysium npc? ||Patroclus||?

[knotty rune]

well, its actually not that OP

if you get hit with like 5 weak projectiles early on

youll waste it. but late game once you can avoid the weak easy attacks, and only get hit with the huge annoying ones, it will save you

[knotty rune]

yeah

the floor after that has no npc

[fierce pagoda]

D:

[cursive coyote]

nice! that upgraded my two purples to heroic

[knotty rune]

[fierce pagoda]

Will i ever be able to take The big red dog named clifford for a walk?

[knotty rune]

hmmm

yes

but not in the way you expect

😔

[viscid notch]

[fierce pagoda]

:0

[cursive coyote]

do both story rooms have the same icon?

[knotty rune]

all of them do

its the boulder

even though thats just the first one

[viscid notch]

All 3 story rooms have the same icon

[knotty rune]

❕

[coarse kelp]

⚫❕

[knotty rune]

🌚

always nice to see

[viscid notch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png

[coarse kelp]

What is an infernal gate challenge?

The survive rooms?

[knotty rune]

you have to buy them from the house contractor

[viscid notch]

You unlock them later on, they’re different than survival rooms

[knotty rune]

and even then, you cant enter them until later

theyre pretty much just optional challenge rooms

with better rewards if you win

[viscid notch]

The catch is

You cant get hit in those rooms

Otherwise you get nothing

[knotty rune]

i got hit my first time

and thought the nothing was rng

but yeah theres a decent chance youll only play those rooms like once or twice

[coarse kelp]

What is fates authority reroll?

[knotty rune]

even in 50 hours of gameplay

[viscid notch]

Mirror upgrade

That let’s you reroll room rewards

Last mirror upgrade

Fated Persuasion (green side) is usually better overall

[cursive coyote]

there's a boon: "slamming foes into barriers creates a blast", is a barrier just a wall?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[knotty rune]

not many of those in the lava zone

[cursive coyote]

Also does upgrading poseiden's attack also increase the knockback?

[viscid notch]

No

[knotty rune]

nah

knockback is kind of unfortunate in this game tbh

it hurts more than helps lots of the time

you need a specific zeus duo doon before it really starts getting nice

and then floors 2 and 3 dont have many walls to knock enemies into

people usually but poseidon as one of the worst gods for that reason

[viscid notch]

His attack is bad on everything basically

But he’s great besides that

[knotty rune]

its really pretty with the blue and the water effect

[viscid notch]

His T2 boons are strong

[knotty rune]

especially on like the shield with that wide swing

[cursive coyote]

You're saying all Poseidon's boons are good except his attack one?

[knotty rune]

nah its just that a gods attack boon is usually one of the main things you want

with him, you usually want more supporting ones

[cursive coyote]

With god pool did you say if you decline a boon, you're not locking down that god in your pool

[knotty rune]

one of his boons increases your damage against bosses for example

[viscid notch]

His Special is very niche but usable

His attack isn’t

[knotty rune]

yes

[viscid notch]

The rest of his boons are great

[cursive coyote]

So far Ares and Dionysus didn't seem my style

[viscid notch]

Cast call dash and t2s, also duos

[knotty rune]

which is why alot of the times you might want to even pick something like coins instead of Poseidon

depending on the weapon

obvisouly hes really not that bad

none of the gods are

but thats just a way to optimize your build

taking him might mean you dont get athena later

[cursive coyote]

Knockback was just saving me a lot from the rooms full of shielded enemies, or that chariots

[knotty rune]

yeah its decent when used defensively of course

[viscid notch]

You’re better off having it on your dash

So you can do good dmg atleast

[knotty rune]

the issue is that if you knock enemies away from you, you cant hit them as much, so it costs dps

[viscid notch]

With your attack etc

[cursive coyote]

do you tend to prefer the "slot" boons first, and then extra ones?

meaning attack/special/etc

[viscid notch]

Depends

[knotty rune]

not all of them are really equal

[viscid notch]

No correct answer in all contexts

[knotty rune]

attack though is usually the first thing i want

[cursive coyote]

fair enough

[knotty rune]

calls casts and dashes vary a ton

[viscid notch]

That’s just for certain aspects

Your attack isn’t always your source of dmg

If you’re using a cast aspect you don’t want an attack first

[knotty rune]

yeah special slot builds are usually some of unlockable aspects

[cursive coyote]

what a terrible sounding boon 😂

Blood frenzy: do more damage for one encounter after using death defiance

I'd tend to avoid stuff that relies on me dying/etc

[viscid notch]

It’s actually very good lol

Maybe not for you now tho

[quick drum]

eh i mean splash dash is great on so many builds

and all of his t2s work well with it

but ig for newer players divine dash is better since its so safe

[cursive coyote]

Ares has a boon "Dire Misfortune: your doom deals more damage when applied multiple times". Does that mean when I proc doom on more than one enemy at once?>

[viscid notch]

No, when you hit the enemy multiple times with doom before it goes off you get extra dmg on the doom proc

[coarse kelp]

I'm using the shield and I got Atenea as my first boon because I don't have the god keepsakes yet, is there any specific boon that I should get from her?

[viscid notch]

Dash is good

[faint ledge]

any good advice for the hydra dude? I havent re fought him yet but i gonna get back there and kick his butt wirh my bow

[coarse kelp]

I destroyed it with the shield and the hammer upgrade that gives it a flash during the charge attack like the bow

[faint ledge]

so get the hammer thing.. what about boons?

any god boon good for hydra>

[coarse kelp]

That I don't know

[faint ledge]

i'll figure something out i really like prosidens knock back ability

[viscid notch]

You just have to learn his moves, he never repeats the same move twice in a row

Practice and you’ll get there eventually

Just take your time

Rushing for dmg usually gets you hit

[past turret]

what keepsake should i use with shield?

[soft badge]

which aspect?

[viscid notch]

Is it base shield

[soft badge]

i dont know about base shield, when i used to play base weapons i just use whatever

[past turret]

with ||aspect of chaos||

[soft badge]

oh yes good aspect

[viscid notch]

Hmm, you can start with Zeus and grab his Special, and just look for more Zeus

Static Discharge, Double Strike

[soft badge]

hangover on special works for me

[viscid notch]

Splitting Bolt

You can also do Doom

Hangover is weaker compared to the others

Spreading your stacks across the room is less dmg

[soft badge]

i dont use a lot of doom

what weapon do i use doom on

[viscid notch]

Fists are very strong with Doom

[soft badge]

i want to try doom on other weapons cus i have been only playing shield for the last 10 runs lol

[soft badge]

thanks, which aspect?

[viscid notch]

It's strong on all of them, choose whichever you're comfortable with/ the one you have upgraded

[soft badge]

ok

[viscid notch]

Demeter fists are considered the strongest of the fists

Not to say that others are bad tho

[soft badge]

idk about fist since i never used them

TBH I dont have any ideas on any weapon other than sword and shield

[viscid notch]

If you're feeling spicy you can go for Merciful End

Which will make Doom even stronger

[quick drum]

chaos low damage aspect sadge

unnerf chaos pls

[soft badge]

yes the one boon that i always hear about that i have never got

[viscid notch]

Duo boons have requirements

have you checked those in your Codex?

[soft badge]

hmm maybe i should

tmr

[viscid notch]

Yea knowing the requirements will make aiming for a specific one a lot easier

[soft badge]

yes ok maybe thats why i suck

i dont ever go for duos

[past turret]

@viscid notch thanks.generally should i use poms on attack,special or the power ups like static discharge?

[viscid notch]

You should have them spread a bit across your dmg sources, also it does depend a bit on rarity, a lower rarity static discharge wants more poms for example

The first few poms on almost every boon are really good in terms of value

So you shouldnt try to go for like lv7-8 special

Instead try something like lv3 Special, lv3 Double strike, lv3 Static Discharge, this way your dmg is much better

[past turret]

thats what i always did! no wonder i dont have a single successful escape lol

thanks!

[viscid notch]

gl!

[knotty rune]

that can be pretty funny tbh

if its splash dash or something

casts benefit more from pom stacking then attacks usually

[viscid notch]

is it a chaos boon

Then yes, your attack will be x% stronger when you dash-strike too

[coarse kelp]

I got a Chaos door on the first room

nice

[viscid notch]

spoiler

the final boss is a spoiler

[soft badge]

whos jfc

whats op here

i dont recognize any boon icons

[viscid notch]

You have to delete it and mark it I think

[soft badge]

just delete it first lol

are u on pc

good

[gray haven]

Of course she is.

[viscid notch]

[gray haven]

Good rule of thumb is poms on flat damage over % damage.

Since flat damage boons for the most part have much better pom scaling.

[knotty rune]

nice nice

very op

we normally post those in #h1-victory-boasting

oh i see you did in both

[naive marlin]

Is Curse of Agony good? (Attack inflicts Doom)
Other options are Battle Rage (next ATK/Special gains DMG Bonus after slaying foe) or Curse of Vengeance (inflict Doom after taking DMG)

[dry mantle]

The doom effects are my personal fav

[viscid notch]

It depends on what you're using it on

[naive marlin]

Shield of Chaos

Artemis

[knotty rune]

shield is one of the weapons its better on

[faint harness]

i personally prefer status effects like doom on special but it can work on attack

[knotty rune]

because you hit just before blocking, so the doom damage will hit while you block

and then chaos of course

one of the best doom options

[naive marlin]

hmm alright

Btw, how do u fish? I got the rod

[knotty rune]

there are rng fishing points

a few per run

minecraft style yank when it bobs under

[dry mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-fisher-fishing-gif-13828391

[coarse kelp]

I got the Artemisa attack and Aphrodite dash but I didn't get the duo thing, will I get it when I meet with any of them again?

[faint harness]

yes

once you have the requirements for a duo boon there's a chance it'll appear the next time you see one of the 2 gods

[coarse kelp]

Is there any requirement to get it aside from getting the boons from the two gods?

[dry mantle]

https://hades.fandom.com/wiki/Duo_Boons

all the combos

[gray haven]

No other requirements, no. You can increase your chances at getting a specific Duo Boon by not opening other Duo Boons in those gods' pools nor their legendaries; filling all your priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash); taking any tier 2 status curses in the gods' pools (in this case only Hunter's Mark); and using Gods' Legacy from the mirror, the gods' own keepsakes, Refreshing Nectar from Eurydice or the Yarn of Ariadne from Wells of Charon, or Favor boons from Master Chaos.

[coarse kelp]

now that I got the codex upgrade that allows me to see boons, I think I'll use the Dionisio duo that makes all boons have epic rarity or more

[bright sun]

i love that boon

[gray haven]

That one is fun. One downside is that Exclusive Access just on its own is not a build. Like... it doesn't do anything immediate for you.

Building for Low Tolerance instead, for example, would give you an immediate benefit when you get it.

And then you'd look for other ways to get the most out of Low Tolerance.

That said, something that might work very well is either Tidal Dash or Drunken Strike start on sword and then getting the other one. Both of those boons have excellent pom scaling, so you've got that taken care of to scale your damage into the later biomes, and you'd also unlock Exclusive Access, which will make their tier 2 boons stronger.

Since you'll have Hangover, it could also be worthwhile to get Trippy Shot to unlock his legendary Black Out. Trippy Shot also has excellent pom scaling.

Seems like quite the fun build, come to think of it.

[coarse kelp]

Is Marth Apollo in this game? I haven't seen him and there is only one Olimpus god left to meet for me

[dusty vault]

I think some gods mention him? No appearance tho

[dry mantle]

@coarse kelp im gonna switch the language on my game to spanish. i wanna hear zag say "Dionisio" lol

if i even can switch the language...

[dusty vault]

Voice is still on english

[coarse kelp]

there aren't spanish voices

[dry mantle]

oh 😢

[grave storm]

I wish Marth was in this game
At least Nyx and Ares are here

And Erinys in a sense

[bright sun]

No

Just the one you picked it up on

[coarse kelp]

Don't forget about Zeus, the final chapter arena emperor in FE4

[dry mantle]

i didnt think that the special on the bow and on the shield could do much for me either

but keep playing lol

[coarse kelp]

I don't like the bow overall

but some boons give the shield special some really good usage

[kind remnant]

Chiron has entered the chat

[hot horizon]

I like the starting sword.

I think I won on my 4th attempt at the final boss.

Which isn't great.

[dry mantle]

defeating the final boss on your 4 attempt is pretty great i think

i think it took me like 10 attempts just to beat|| theseus and asterius|| lol

[coarse kelp]

which one is the mirror skill that increases the odds of higher rarity boons?

[dusty vault]

olympian favor gives up to+40% to rare boons, god's pride gives +20% to epic and god's legacy +10% to duos/legendaries (pride is the purple skill and legacy the other skill)

[bright sun]

I like pride

But is it good

[grave storm]

Pride is good

Olympian Favor no just because Dark Foresight is so much better

[grave storm]

I'm sadly a fake fan and only played ones officially localized to English

[bright sun]

What is dark foresight?

[fierce pagoda]

I got to ||the dude||, but ||the dude|| smacked me hard so i got him to 25% :(

And got yeeted back

[fierce pagoda]

Doom bow spam :)

Got me quite far

[dusty vault]

alternative skill to olympian favor, gives up to +20% bonus to see gold laurel rooms (aka hearts/poms/boons/hammers/gold) and less darkness/gems/keys/nectar (also is a +20% but switches the odds from 50:50 to 70:30 so is basically a 40% increase)

[bright sun]

I see

Oh yeah i like that one

[viscid notch]

The boons that Rare Crop chooses are random, it can't hit Hermes boons nor Chaos boons, clicking a boon is just to highlight it

Well their rarity goes up every few encounters until Heroic

[ebon lodge]

Hey, not sure if I found a bug, but when I entered the Trial of the Gods room and chose Poseidons Sunken Treasure boon, the drops disappeared due to the other god attacking before I could pick them up. Is cases like this, are they picked up automatically or are they just lost? And if so are there plans to fix that?

[viscid notch]

The gold is dropped, you dont have to do anything to pick it up, it disappears briefly after and the gold is added automatically (can check bottom right), the rest should still be there tho

Food/Darkness/gemstones

[ebon lodge]

ok, thanks

[kind remnant]

Tips for using aspect of achilles, including attack and special boons? I'm trash with the spear but need titan blood and I have done zero || heat runs || with it

raging rush into dash attacks?

[naive marlin]

Anyone know how this works?
https://imgur.com/a/FzewkhF

[viscid notch]

What exactly is confusing you?

[naive marlin]

The Replenish 1 use

[viscid notch]

If you lost a DD and take it you get a DD back, if you have full DDs you just get the effect (it doesn't add an extra DD, just refills a used one)

[naive marlin]

oh sweet

[bright sun]

How much time do i need to take in a room for the hermes keepsake to reward me

[viscid notch]

It depends, there is a counter under the plume to your left

[bright sun]

Oh

[viscid notch]

You have to clear before it goes down, time is different for bosses

[bright sun]

Ok

Thanks

[viscid notch]

Keep in mind, Infernal troves dont count, Styx tunnels dont count

There was a third which I forgot

Oh yea Survival rooms, dont have a timer but you get a tick anyway

[naive marlin]

One question, can I leave the Fountain in Styx tunnel for later, leave, do the other tunnels and then come back to heal for the boss?

[viscid notch]

Well, when the fountain shows up you're basically ready to fight the boss

Because you would've found the Satyr sack

So you dont have to go back to other tunnels too

[naive marlin]

Yea I meant, if I want to go to the other tunnel to make myself stroner

[viscid notch]

You cant

[naive marlin]

alr ty

[viscid notch]

You have to take the fountain to leave that tunnel, then you can do others etc

[rich osprey]

you can do the other tunnels after you get the sack, but you can't revisit the fountain iirc

[leaden whale]

hello I would like to ask what controls should I use if I am trying to play more seriously not necessarily speedrunning but playing high-heat or having sub 10m times etc

i am currently using the defaults with the exception on reload

also since I dont grind endlessly on this game I would prefere I had one set of controls for all weapons and not have to change each time I try another weapon

[viscid notch]

kbm or controller

[leaden whale]

controller

[polar finch]

[viscid notch]

yea I cant help much there but rebind your cast to a shoulder when speedrunning a cast aspect

[polar finch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/523774570394681344/913203628582535168/Hades_11_23_2021_4_51_58_AM.png

pineapples big brain binds jk dont use these

just move cast and reload to shoulder buttons and u gud

[leaden whale]

oh ok ok ty

[polar finch]

ye

[fierce pagoda]

ye

i think

[gray haven]

That ||keepsake|| is already a spoiler in this channel, and so is ||Heat||.

[kind remnant]

I just realized that dash strikes deal less damage

[cursive coyote]

what do ya'll think of point blank shot vs twin shot for the bow? (hammer upgrades)

[dusty vault]

the "pick whatever you like more" hammers

[polar finch]

well twin is almost always better

[dusty vault]

oh it was vs twin lmao, just assumed point blank/perfect

[pure lotus]

So I'm at the point in the game where I've managed to escape twice. Once with the spear and once with the sword. I've pretty much gotten all of the titan blood I can and spent it unlocking a few diff aspects. So now I'm sort of at a wall where I have no one weapon aspect that I've leveled very much and I'm not sure how to keep progressing. Any advice? Right now my only plan is just keep hoping for titan blood trades from the broker. But that'll take a while.

Also, other than the mirror, and god specific keepsakes, are there any ways to increase the rarity and level of the boons you get? Does continuing to give them offerings etc ever do something like that?

[knotty rune]

offerings doesnt

mirror, keepsakes, buying the yarn item from the well, and Eurydice all increase rarity. (along with a specific boon you might see called rare crop) also very rarely, if a god offers you their attack boon, but you already have an attack boon, the one offered will be 1 higher rarity than what you have to sweeten the deal. also the boons you earn in miniboss rooms are higher rarity than normal.

increasing the level can only be done through poms, but once again Eurydice can pom your stuff for you too, and a certain keepsake you get super late

[knotty rune]

as for that, just keep trying to escape more with as many weapons as you can

youll soon unlock a method that lets you get more titan blood even with weapons youve already escaped with

also, there are lots of aspects that are good even just at level 1

achiles spear, hera bow, zeus shield, any ||rail|| 😔

[pure lotus]

thanks. Guess I'll just keep sort of bashing my head against it I guess.

[hot horizon]

I just did the heros with 1HP left.

Oh and one death defy.

[gray haven]

There's a prophecy that gives you a lot of Titan Blood if you get a clear with every weapon. A lot of players go for that after their first win. It's a good way to get started.

The Temple of Styx shop also has a 50% chance to have one Titan Blood.

Also look through the List of Minor Prophecies for any other prophecies that will give you Titan Blood.

[restive portal]

@pure lotus you should be able to clear moderately easily with Rail with a good hammer or two. And there are some fairly safe bow or shield builds to aim for. Other than that, consider 1 or 2 ||heat|| on your favourite weapon. ||Tight Deadline 1|| is almost free if you remember to ||hit options to stop the timer|| while thinking about stuff. Clearing with any weapon will get easier as you learn enemy patterns.

[white apex]

hi! is the ||aspect of rama|| fun to use?

[kind remnant]

If you like the bow it's arguably the strongest aspect

[restive portal]

It is strong, but I'm not sure I tried it more "enjoyable", it's quite technical to use well

[viscid notch]

It’s the most fun for me

Really up to your preference and playstyle

But either way it’s incredibly strong overall

Might feel slow and clunky at first but once you get consistent at dash striking and powershotting it’s great

[white apex]

does it deal more damage the more enemies you tagged, or does it just share damage to everyone that got tagged?

[viscid notch]

It shares dmg to enemies that are tagged (shared suffering), it doesn’t do more dmg if you tag more enemies

If you line up enemies you share dmg across the tags multiple times

[knotty rune]

or you know

its also just a much higher damage canon

😔

you can pretty much ignore the extra mechanics on all of those

and just unga bunga with the beeg numbers if you want

[white apex]

is the ||aspect of gilgamesh|| good?

im tryna figure out which aspects to go for first

[viscid notch]

It’s a bit of a weird one

The Aspect gives you extra dashes but they are shorter and you need more time to recover after using them

It does have its things, like easy access to RR and such but overall most people would put it below normal fists

[gray haven]

Short answer is no. People use it mainly for memy dash builds.

[viscid notch]

If you’re choosing between hidden aspects I would say Bow and Shield are stronger than the rest by quite a bit

[gray haven]

Sword, too.

Not in terms of DPS, but definitely for survivability.

[white apex]

ive tried the hidden sword one, but it feels so slow

[viscid notch]

It is clunky

[white apex]

what does the shield do?

[viscid notch]

You have yo get used to dragging your attack

[gray haven]

Sure, it's slower; but you can stack so much eHP that you can do a ton of mistakes and still get a win pretty easily.

[viscid notch]

Shield lets you load your casts and they explode in bigger aoes when you bullrush

[gray haven]

And it also doesn't require anything really to scale its damage to deal at least decent damage throughout the whole run.

[viscid notch]

And it also has a wider blocking range = safe

[gray haven]

Helpful image from pseudo: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787779476888354816/869727407471485048/chart_1.jpeg

That's the block radius of the hidden shield.

225°.

The hidden shield is arguably the most powerful aspect in the game.

[polar finch]

its only slightly broken

in a lot of different ways

[viscid notch]

slightly

[knotty rune]

the 2 pieces of advice I would give are doing attack lead ins, so the 3rd swing is much wider and more damage than the first 2, you can swing the first 2 attacks at thin air while an enemy is approaching you, and if you time it right they walk right into the 3rd big attack.
and 2ndly dont be afraid to just poke an enemy once with the first attack then dash away if theyre faster / dont approach you

rather than playing it like normal where you get in close and swing multiple times, you want to focus more on keeping distance and using timing to make the enemies walk right into your biggest attacks

id even go so far as to say you should barely be using the special. focus mostly of your attention on the timing

[keen vector]

bow is really hard against final boss

too many things happening

and i shoot slower than agranny

xD

[past turret]

is charm a good status curse? what if the foe is alone?

does it attacks or basically stuns?

[dry mantle]

charm confuses. aphrodite boons are my least fav lol

[white apex]

i use aphrodites aid to kill the last boss, it worked as a stun against it

it also helped against some dangerous enemies in elysium and the temple

[dry mantle]

I find that enemies barely do any damage to each other... they barely manage to hit one another in that short amount of time that her aid lasts

[gray haven]

A charmed Elite Chariot can take out a whole enemy wave for you at times.

[dry mantle]

my runs are still like 35-40 mins long WITHOUT waiting for enemies to take each other out lol

[white apex]

i used it to stun lock them, so i could take out the weaker enemies first

worked against the third boss as well

id used it with the boon that makes the god meter only 25%, one that starts fights with 25% full and one that increased recharge with each crit

[past turret]

what aspect is really good at lvl 1?

any weapon except shield

[gray haven]

Hera.

[past turret]

also can u help me with what weapon should i use next?

[dry mantle]

youve just started playing ya? get a feel for all of em!
shield was my least fav when i started playing cause i felt like to took forever to clear a room but now its one of my favs

[past turret]

im new but ive done multiple escapes with shield

[full canyon]

Ok so I’m wondering as I have yet to escape after 35 attempts and I’ve had it for the switch since launch other games and work took a bit of my time but I’m thinking well wondering is there a weapon tier list online ? What’s the best mirror set up for first escape success ? What’s the hmm without making it too easy what’s the god tier set up ? So I can at least try unlikely choice weapons(for me) like Charon bow or Lucifer exegrif I can’t seem to understand certain things but absolutely LOVE the game !

[faint harness]

all weapons are good but on my first escape not too long ago I used the aspect of chaos along with Zeus on special

[gray haven]

Weapon aspect tier lists would generally be for maxed-out aspects and assume optimal play and full understanding of builds, so that's not really too helpful for newer players. They'd also be very subjective.

[leaden whale]

Yea

It takes long time

[gray haven]

@full canyon also sry forgot to mention earlier. My Newbie Build Guide for the base weapons is pinned here, that might help you get started with something decent for your builds.

And Haelian has some great video guides for everything from mirror setups to build guides for the different weapons. Including a tier list for all the weapon aspects. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uOSxyg458Fg&list=PLmj6-vxquxwS0UXHEpzhS8ExlDs3Z-yku&index=14

[viscid notch]

yeaaaa I wouldnt take tier lists too seriously

[fierce pagoda]

:)

[crude rampart]

hey

i boght the game 3 days ago have like 10 hours and killed already 2 bosses

its a the second best rougelike of the last few years in my opinion

[faint harness]

what's the first

[coarse kelp]

what are some good builds for the spear, not taking aspects into account?

[viscid notch]

Flurry jab is strong

Usually you want a lot of Zeus with it, but you can make others work too

You can also go for a Special build with Exploding Launcher and some big % or Arty on your Special, and look for Flurry or Charged skewer second hammer

[coarse kelp]

what is exploding launcher?

[viscid notch]

A hammer

[naive marlin]

Should I stick with Epic True Shot or switch to Heroic Electric Shot
https://imgur.com/a/0JbXvKm

[viscid notch]

Judging by the level, you're not doing a cast build, if you have something like hunter's mark procing off of that True shot then its a bad trade, if you have jolted then its a good trade, otherwise I'd say doesnt matter too much, I dont like trades in general, rarely helpful, worth noting that Electric shot is harder to lodge into a specific enemy

[naive marlin]

I have Jolted, Ill switch then
Thanks!

[tall sphinx]

does anyone have just general advice for getting better at hades combat? i kinda suck at it LOL/.....

[viscid notch]

Take your time and learn enemy patterns, dashing gives you iframes so you can evade almost anything using that, but it definitely takes practice, dash striking however strips your iframes which is important to know, if you’re in danger you should dash away, do NOT dash and try to attack because you can easily get hit at that point, you can ask for advice about what boons work well with each weapon and the way you’re supposed to play specific aspects, some weapons are surely tougher than others

[calm moth]

Can someone give me like a quick tierlist of what I should prioritise over others

Because sometimes I wonder whether I should get a pom or a new boon or get health or a boon etc etc

[mild kelp]

It's gonna depend largely on your build tbh

Though after the first couple upgrades on a skill, poms usually aren't worth it

[polar finch]

yeah its not that simple

[cursive coyote]

what do ya'll think between hammer and boulder dude?

[fluid gorge]

Depends whether it’s a build where hammers really matter

I’d normally go hammer unless it’s like a cast run

[celest fox]

I'd usually go hammer

The only story room that gets priority imo is Eurydice

She can be the highest damage potential increase in the game

[polar finch]

tbh even if i dont care about the hammer id just grab it to get it out of the way

unless i dont have enough gold for the next shop

[cursive coyote]

when you swap out your trinket between areas, can you re-apply the same one to get another boon? (eg poseidons shell)

[celest fox]

No

Each only gives that effect once

Then is just bonus rarity for the rest of the run

[cursive coyote]

can you not skip/decline a boon?

[rain wing]

you can not but theres something you can unlock similar to that

[cursive coyote]

okay so what about two different ones? say poseidon and then zeus in area 2?

[knotty rune]

you cant do that in general

once you swap out a trinket its locked for the entire run

but if you keep it, youll keep the rarity % up bonus atleast

very rarely worth that

[knotty rune]

that does work though

[celest fox]

Yeah

[knotty rune]

normally you only have 4 gods in your pool

but if you get all 4 in the first area, you can use a different keepsake each floor

to get 7 + hermes/chaos

thats a classic meme

[soft badge]

i never take hermes boons should i take them

[knotty rune]

depends on what theyre up against

hermes boons tend to be pretty meh at lower rarity than epic

but theres a few dash specific ones that could help a ton

+1 dashes is really really good since it lets you dash further with more i-frames

and theres another that makes your dash alittle faster + more i-frames

the best thing about hermes is that he can work well on any build

attack speed, dashes, some call charge utility

you can fit those on anything

[soft badge]

i usually just roll him off

[knotty rune]

but is he OP, nah he probably wont make the build

[soft badge]

with the fate thing

[knotty rune]

bad idea imo

you actually cant reroll hermes into another boon

[dusty vault]

Hermes has a lot of utility boons

[knotty rune]

hes treated differently

and id say hermes > pom or heart

[soft badge]

hmm ok

[dusty vault]

Also rolling him away just will make him show up later

[soft badge]

next time i shall take some hermes

hes cool anyways

[dusty vault]

Just take him early to make him go away

[soft badge]

just that his boons are pretty meh for me

he will go away?

ok

[dusty vault]

Also hyper sprint + rush delivery is at least 50% global dmg

Dodge chance good if you have another source of it, more dashes good

Cast boons for cast builds, etc

[dusty vault]

You can only see 2 boons from hiim normally during the run

And the game wants you to get those 2

[knotty rune]

you can pick the other door, or choose to not buy him in the shop

but both are rng

youll almost always get atleast 1

thats what we like to call free real estate

[cursive coyote]

man the game just did not want to give me the duo boon I was after

[cursive coyote]

I don't understand the point of the "give up" function. It seems the run is pre-determined anyways and stays the same

[slow ferry]

well, sometimes that's what you want

if you misclick on the first boon, you can just give up and get the thing you want

[cursive coyote]

fair

is the whole run/boons etc pre set?

[slow ferry]

no, a bunch of things can change the run

breaking pots, and some other things

but theoretically if you do the exact same things you can get the exact same rewards

I think

[knotty rune]

its probably speed runner stuff

otherwise its better to just let something kill you

which will refresh everyones dialogue

[cursive coyote]

fair

I still don't understand how people have "builds", unless they're just resetting every time they get bad rng

[celest fox]

You just go for something based off of your starting keepsake

You can force 4 gods to spawn and manipulate rarity and spawning a bit

You do that until you get what you want. It's actually rare not to get it, even if it's super late, if you have all the upgrades

You also get rerolls and stuff

That's going after 1 duo. Multiple is much harder.

[cursive coyote]

I tried to get poseidon/zeus combo boon all last run but never did. Chose either of their boons every time possible

[celest fox]

Builds are usually just built in weapon stuff + duos

Did you have the pre-reqs

Probably since its easy

[cursive coyote]

i got to ||hades||

yeah i did

[celest fox]

But you can get boosts to boon rarities on the mirror

And you can use Eurydice to boost boon rarity

Plus yarn

[cursive coyote]

I don't have all the mirror upgrades unlocked yet. I need 20 keys for the next (i think last) two slots

[celest fox]

Those will usually get you what you want by the end at least

Yeah

Those are the rerolls I'm pretty sure

One is

Those really help

[cursive coyote]

I stumbled upon a build i really liked last time

Poseidon attack, zeus shot, flurry shot/chain shot, and athena's dash

I was stagger smashing most things against walls. If i'd gotten the duo zapper and poseidon's breaking wave it would've been a lot stronger

Any idea if Typhoon's fury (you deal more damage slamming foes into barriers) and Breaking Wave "slamming foes into barriers creates a watery blast in an area) stack?

[celest fox]

Yup

It can make enemies rapidly ricochet in styx

They die that way. Even the giant vermin. They get stuck in a corner and just get knocked back to death.

Partly why tidal dash is so good there

[quick drum]

tbh you dont even need typhoons fury, breaking wave pretty much clears styx on its own

it makes a huge difference

[cursive coyote]

I'm just now trying tidal dash, It's really nice (at least one the sword). That and the hammer upgrade where i heal 2 per swing is making this a very aggressive run

If I sell all boons from a god, does that clear it out of the pool?

[grave storm]

No

[cursive coyote]

How do you do that then? Im fairly sure i've seen someone mention purging a god from the pool

[grave storm]

uhh don't think you can, short of restarting the run

[knotty rune]

that cant be done, but you can reroll all their boons to someone else

reroll can give you a 3 god pool

which is pretty strong

[grave storm]

you can semi-"purge" Hermes by taking 2 of his boons, and he won't show up again unless it's Charon's Styx shop

[knotty rune]

maybe that meant purging a god from a slot
if you purge the zeus boon on cast, it opens up for someone else

[celest fox]

You can open new slots

But it gets messy

You can get all gods in one run

It's a rare occurance based off of the mid shop in tartarus

If you get the right gods there, because your god pool isnt full yet, you can get enough gods that you just need to use keepsakes to get the rest

[cursive coyote]

is flurry strike decent? on the sword

[celest fox]

It can be

Its better than nothing I feel. Double edge is very good for attacks if it's an option.

[knotty rune]

flurry slash I think its called

I dont really like it that much

but its fun with zeus

since your spamming out lighting

if you get a hermes attack speed

its pretty meme

[celest fox]

You keep attacking when you dash with it right

Like the combo continues

[knotty rune]

you dash strike

then start over from the first slash

but its so fast anyways

i wish it had more range maybe

that would make it like a mini hidden

[polar finch]

worse than nothing*

[celest fox]

Is it? I dont use it enough to know tbh

[polar finch]

cuz of this

sucks if youre tryna empty dash after a dashstrike

[viscid notch]

It’s bad yea

Ruins your combo

Makes you lose iframes and get hit more often because you attack so quickly

[gray haven]

You can't do an empty dash out of a Flurry Slash; you'll always get a Dash-Strike instead. And if just do a Dash-Strike, you'll always get a Flurry Slash right after.

That said, Flurry Slash has helped some players get their first wins. You just notice it hurt a lot more the better you get at optimizing your DPS and using dashes effectively etc.

[cursive coyote]

well fudge, i alt f4'd and it somehow wiped my run

i was enjoying that one

does upgrading tidal dash upgrade the AoE range or knockback? or just damage?

[viscid notch]

Damage

[gray haven]

There are steps to recover a temp save in #h1-tech-fixes.

[cursive coyote]

i appreciate that, but I'm already in another run now. And I'm playing the microsoft store version, so not sure where to find the save files

[viscid notch]

Yes

Nvm it’s gone

[cursive coyote]

i looked it up haha

[viscid notch]

450 Boons on Styx are higher rarity

Minibosses are higher rarity aswell

[cursive coyote]

apparently they're not even guaranteed to be purple though

and i am a broke boi

[viscid notch]

Yea not guaranteed purple

But it’s much easier to get purples from them

[cursive coyote]

in the end, the goal of this run was to get a diamond for the fishing rod, which i did

so everything else is extra

do you have to to go through each gate here, or is it random which has the item you need to continue?

[dusty vault]

Styx? Random outside that the first tunnel you enter is never gonna be the sack

[cursive coyote]

ahh kk

[cursive coyote]

arrrrgh. I "beat" ||hades|| but of course ||there was another phase||

[slow ferry]

||He's got death defiances too it's only fair||

[cursive coyote]

I had the sword upgrade where you gain health on swing, but only have a 1/3 max. I was able to keep up first round, but then some stupid green vase nuked me

only had like 60 max health

[slow ferry]

Yeah that one's unpopular for that reason

Take a few hits and you're gone

[cursive coyote]

I love it, really opens up a different hyper aggressive playstyle

does the extra damage from boiling blood stack when you have two charges in one enemy?

[knotty rune]

nah

[cursive coyote]

damn

[knotty rune]

but it can be active in multiple enemies at once

with bb its better to hold on to a cast

and rotate them

then open with using both

[white apex]

is death defiance or stubborn defiance more useful?

[viscid notch]

[cursive coyote]

I'm still new, but i'd definitely vote for stubborn

at least for me currently

[viscid notch]

Death Defiance unless ||you have LC4 on||

[knotty rune]

death for sure

[cursive coyote]

what on earth is the reel button? same as talking?

[knotty rune]

the main danger isnt random rooms, its bosses. so more HP is better than more revives

[cursive coyote]

tried A but it wasnt it, and the fish got away

[white apex]

i dont know what that is yet, so death defiance is better then?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[knotty rune]

should be the same as the fish button

[cursive coyote]

it was a fish in the chaos too 😦

[knotty rune]

DD can give you multiple 50% revives against the same boss. stubborn can only give you a single 30% revive per room

so unless youre dying mostly to random rooms and not bosses

its not that great

and if thats the case, your build is bad enough that a boss will kill you anyways even if you survive

in general, if youre dying more than 2-3 times, its unlikely that youll be able to win the run anyways

so 2-3 revives is enough

[cursive coyote]

I feel you're underestimating the value for a newer player still learning enemies/rooms

although i guess a second DD is about the same as stuborn

[knotty rune]

hm, in the very early game its definitely solid

high darkness cost though

[white apex]

i can get to the third boss reliably with occasional 1 revive, so dd will work out better i think

[knotty rune]

DD just gives you a ton of extra HP

[cursive coyote]

I think it's quite handy for the 4th area

[knotty rune]

half of your max per stack

[cursive coyote]

for... reasons

[knotty rune]

means that centaur hearts are also worth 50% more

[white apex]

i always get effed in either the temple or against last boss

[cursive coyote]

I say this, but it hasn't actually rezzed me more than twice yet. Maybe it's just the confidence that I have a extra try

also prolly better with the healing sword hammer (idk the name)

[white apex]

i think its called the cursed blade or something?

[viscid notch]

Cursed Slash

[coarse kelp]

what is a good build for the shield with Zeus aspect?

[viscid notch]

Zeus or Merciful End usually

[quick drum]

just get zeus special and then a lot of zeus supporting boons (static discharge, double strike, splitting bolt)

[coarse kelp]

what is merciful end?

[rain mountain]

How are you supposed to get Orpheus to sing again? I already gave him some Nectar

[viscid notch]

Ares Athena Duo

[dusty vault]

Just keep giving nectar and to eurydice and talking to them most probably

[slate estuary]

if i give nectar to the same person again and again it shows me a heart symbol +1 what does that mean?

[viscid notch]

You just made your relationship better with them

[slate estuary]

ohh so like do i get something after giving them certain amounts of gifts?

[viscid notch]

After you give them enough you can do their favor and unlock other hearts to forge bonds

Some npcs can give you other stuff aside from the Bond

[slate estuary]

ohhhhhh thx for the help ^^

[soft badge]

is there anyway to get nectars faster?

[grave storm]

trade with the broker

or take Dionysus keepsake and hunt for Vintage Nectar but that's just 1 more per run

[coarse kelp]

what do I do with the thing I get from the elysium boss?

[fluid gorge]

You can use them to buy certain house upgrades, mainly songs whenever you unlock ||Orpheus||, you can trade them for ambrosia from the house trader, you can use them to upgrade your rank whenever you unlock that, and probably smth else I’m not remembering

Mostly house upgrades

Oh wait crap you said Elysium I’m stupid

You can use it to upgrade future keepsakes that you get from maxing out your bond with a few characters and trade it for Titans blood

It can also be used to upgrade your rank later

[past turret]

how should i build my bow with|| aspect of chiron||

[dusty vault]

nectar, but for higher relationship lvls

[fluid gorge]

It depends, a really good build is aphro on attack and arty special and aim for heart rend. Another good one is aphro on attack and Dionysus on special and shoot for low tolerance, then get curse of vengeance from ares and shoot for curse of Nausea.

And you want relentless and concentrated volley for your hammers

[dusty vault]

at low lvl you can use hangover builds (dio special, aphro attack and look for low tolerance duo boon) at higher level you can also use artemis special by example and grab a bunch of special dmg from chaos

[fluid gorge]

Poseidon special and then aiming for sea storm with Zeus is really good too

Doom on special also works and you can try to get merciful end with Athena

[past turret]

im at lvl 2 forgot to say

[fluid gorge]

Chiron honestly has a good bit of variety

I’ve done ||Demeter|| on special if you have her unlocked and it worked well

[dusty vault]

spoiler mark that one

[fluid gorge]

Woops ok

My bad

[dusty vault]

def try hangover then, also forgot to add,always put poms on it

also i argue relentless on low level chiron > concentrated volley

[past turret]

thanks!

[fluid gorge]

Definitely but you can shoot for both

Chiron bow becomes so much better once you get it max level

[past turret]

also wdym by poms on it?

it what

[fluid gorge]

It’s my favorite weapon

[dusty vault]

dio special

[fluid gorge]

On the hangover special

[past turret]

how much tho

[dusty vault]

yes

[past turret]

as much as i can?

lol

[fluid gorge]

Past level 4 it’s not a big deal

[dusty vault]

hangover never gets less dmg for pom so nothing wrong in doing more

[fluid gorge]

If you have better stuff to Pom do that but if not just keep pomming it

[dusty vault]

you always add 1 more dmg with it

[fluid gorge]

Interesting