h1-for-new-players

[polar finch]

tbh this mostly matters after your first clear and once you are able to increase the difficulty

[celest fox]

Use that time to just kill them

Take Athena dash too, get Exposed. It'll pay off.

[lament current]

I do like athena dash

[polar finch]

yeah, learn and dodge should apply to regular enemies too. otherwise you wont do well with all weapons

[celest fox]

You want to sort of glance them with your dash hitbox to make them exposed

So you end up behind them

Then backstab

[lament current]

tbh just bow and gun, the gun is easier as it has that bombs which I just spam to no end

[polar finch]

tbh though athena dash gives you a lot more room for error, best not to rely on it too much

[celest fox]

You'll like Eris then

True

It's just good for learning

Try deflecting like the witches too

[polar finch]

eris you still want to use the attack

[celest fox]

Yeah

[modern briar]

And slap ZEUS ON THE ATTACK

[celest fox]

Eris plays more point blank usually

[modern briar]

ZEEEEEEUS

[celest fox]

Yeah. You group enemies into your special and then shoot

[lament current]

currently I have 15 hours in the game and still trying to beat boss 4

[celest fox]

Yeah thats normal

[lament current]

tbh I felt like I was going fast, im getting some conversations that happen really really late compared to when I did the first thing to make it happen

[celest fox]

Dashes are really important for boss 3/4

That just happens sometimes

[lament current]

yeah I know as ive almost beaten boss 4 multiple times

as I said like 2 or 3 hits left before i die to him

well I beat boss 3 with the bow finally only cost me 2 of my 4 revives

and almost a third.. I hate his stupid shield

[polar finch]

uhh wait so ur referring to theseus as boss 3?

[lament current]

isnt he?

[polar finch]

and youre killing him before asterius?

[lament current]

no no im killing the bull first

I learned my less after the second time we fought

[polar finch]

mhm okay

its a bit confusing how youre referring to them

[celest fox]

I thought bow was Piercing?

[dusty vault]

Pierces enemies but not shields

[cursive vigil]

Asterius is the mini boss

[leaden whale]

Ngl, Tisiphone is kinda a pain in the butt. I wish it was just Meg everytime

[celest fox]

||zeus||

[leaden whale]

i spent like 20 titan bloods

on the gun

and i spoke to zeus dozen of times

still no

[dusty vault]

Name of hidden aspects are spoilers but ||just gotta keeo talking to zeus really if you are sure you got all the requirements||

[leaden whale]

okok

how do I hide the spoilers like u guys?

[dusty vault]

Edit and put || on both start and end of what you wanna spoiler mark or highlight text on pc and click the eye icon

[leaden whale]

ok

|fhdjaka|

lol

|dhhhd|

doesnt work :v

[dusty vault]

2 of them

[leaden whale]

oh

||fnfnnrje||

ok thanks

[polar finch]

||spoiler||

it doesnt work

jk

[winter briar]

Anyone got any speed builds for eris?

[leaden whale]

||no||

whats eris?

[dusty vault]

Aspect of the rail

[polar finch]

zeus attack, tidal dash, static discharge

basic build. add in a high% or artemis special and hammers like rocket bomb, cluster rockets, flurry fire or something

or targetting system

[leaden whale]

the classic

[restive rivet]

I finally succeeded on escape with 49th attempt
Thanks to Aphrodite

[marsh vector]

How can i See available Hammers for a weapon ingame?

[dusty vault]

you cant

there is a mod that lets you do that iirc tho

[leaden whale]

that's not even in the codex?

seems like a bit of an oversight

[gray haven]

Congratulations!

[restive rivet]

ty 🙂
Now I need to repeat it many times lol

[gray haven]

I've passed your thanks along to her.

[grizzled sky]

||how do people get the merciful end duo boons all the time? I haven't tried it because betting a build on a duo boon seems to unlikely for me||

[modern briar]

god’s legacy

[viscid notch]

There are requirements for each duo in the game, as in other boons that you should have in order for the duo to show up, however there are no guarantees, you can take things that boost your chance of getting better boons like Chaos' Favor or God keepsakes, and there is also God's Legacy that boosts Legendary and Duo boon chance, in the case of merciful end you can still be fine getting it much later in the run, the build itself does rely on it but you can still manage without it

[grizzled sky]

Oh

Ok ty

[modern briar]

Try not to fulfill requirements for other duos, use fated persuasion

[grizzled sky]

Ight yeah

Ty

[polar finch]

duo boons are really easy to get with experience and doom itself without merciful end is very strong on a lot of weapons which most people dont realize

[tepid cedar]

what do people usually use in styx when they have pretty much everything they need

what keepsake*

[viscid notch]

Acorn / Tooth / ||Hades' Aid|| / Spearpoint / Hourglass

All for different things tho

[polar finch]

||sigil, pom blossom, earring, hourglass if you arent worried about dying||

[viscid notch]

Chaos' egg for the memes

[idle sluice]

Hey everyone I just joined here because I have a sound problem

Usually when I enter the codex and go through it you usually can hear a sound of going up/down

But its just silence when I do that

Also opening the codex and closing it

And more

[leaden whale]

how does hades aid actually benefit you?

i'm probably just missing the plus side because i'm dumb

because i tried it multiple times, i don't gerrit

[idle sluice]

Does anyone know why I suddenly have no sound for some things

[viscid notch]

Global dmg

It's used for speedrunning often

[leaden whale]

oh i missed that part

plus global damage 75%

ah

[viscid notch]

For the lesser calls its a burst, so its kinda normal not to notice it

Its still worth it

[leaden whale]

i see, it's not just turn invisible briefly

thanks

[grave storm]

it's WC3's Wind Walk but the damage boost lasts longer

[grave storm]

check sound settings, check your devices, turn the game/device off and on again

[idle sluice]

I just noticed when I make the master volume slightly louder I can hear the sounds again

Weird

Guess I'll have to make the master volume louder and the PC volume lower

[polar finch]

that part is actually also why its used

||it messes with dad's ai so he repeats his previous move||

||which is used to prevent him from going invisible||

[dusty vault]

Late but remember to spoiler mark y'all

[polar finch]

new player channel moment

[leaden whale]

[queen seal]

Hey guys how to deal with the doomstone

I find myself always losing a few hp or a lot when facing it

Those damn lasers

[polar finch]

the main lasers have pretty big gaps between them you can just stand in. so as long as you dont let too many mini stones come out, it wont be that difficult getting hit. it you have any decent dps you kill the miniboss quickly enough to not take much damage also

[lament current]

Do some longbows have the ability to rapid fire shots?

[dusty vault]

there is a hammer upgrade (flurry shot) that does that (all bows but the hidden aspect)

rapid fire but no power shots

[lament current]

no no the enemies the longbow enemies isntr that what they are called?

OHH they are strong bows

[dusty vault]

ah the enemies

armored bow dudes do that iirc?

non armored also shoot multiple but slower

[lament current]

huh I don't remeber that being a thing, all I know I was suddenly get basiaclly stun locked unable to charge my bow in return as a hail of arrows from a single enemies hit m,e

[celest fox]

Yes they can

If they mark you down they might rapidly shoot you

It hurts

Basically get cover and kill them asap

Because they'll also run away to get distance

Get them while they're still clustered

[polar finch]

elite/armored ones shoot three arrows consecutively but regular ones shoot one at a time

[lament current]

how does "privileged status" work? like what is a curse?

[polar finch]

status effects inflicted by gods basically. id just recommend family favorite tbh

[lament current]

I was thinkign that too

[gray haven]

There's a list linked in the pins in this channel.

[lament current]

im looking at olympian favor vs dark foresight, whats the little green icon on dark foresight?

[slow ferry]

that represents boons

[lament current]

ohhh hmm this.. is a tough choice which I want then

[slow ferry]

I dunno if that symbol appears anywhere else in the game though

dark foresight makes your runs way stronger, but reduces the amount of long-term rewards you get

[lament current]

it looks like artemis symbol

so more or less it's one I might want to swap between? like swap to favor if I want long term reward and foresight if im going for a escape?

[slow ferry]

that's the tradeoff yeah

but also in a lot of cases, making your runs stronger can give you more long term rewards, because you live longer and can get more stuff

[barren furnace]

i have been to Elysium for like 5 times now and still cant defeat those 2 bosses
any tips ?

[slow ferry]

elysium is much harder than tartarus and asphodel for a lot of people

a lot of people struggle at that part

what's killing you, usually?

do you reach the boss with all your DDs?

[barren furnace]

the 2 bosses

yes

[slow ferry]

which one kills you?

[barren furnace]

theseus and asterius

[slow ferry]

does theseus kill you or does asterius kill you

[barren furnace]

i cant tell as they both fight togather

mostly theseus

[slow ferry]

the spear throws are really consistent, you'll have to learn to dodge them or get behind pillars

the timing is always the same, so either use the visual queue, the audio queue, or both

[barren furnace]

[radiant shore]

oops
||wait till they get shiny armor later on with punishment pacts||

[slow ferry]

shh that's spoiler

[barren furnace]

bruhh

[slow ferry]

when the bull starts running towards you, he acts just like the chariots do

you can dash through a pillar to stop him, he turns slowly

[barren furnace]

ahh
i see

[radiant shore]

yeah try to take down minotaur first
especially if you have fought him prior

without minotaur its much easier to take down theseus*

[slow ferry]

both of them get more powerful at half health, so you really want to lower their healths one at a time

and yeah, mino first

[barren furnace]

i had like 2 death defiance still i lost on the fight lol

[slow ferry]

well, save up for the 3rd DD

[barren furnace]

okay thanks for the tips anyways

ill try again

[slow ferry]

good luck out there

[polar finch]

100% dark foresight

more boons means your build ramps up faster more quickly and youll have more power in general from tier 2s and getting more duos/legendaries

the rare bonus only really matters for hermes tbh

[radiant shore]

i like dark foresight for daedalus hammer upgrade

[restive portal]

Hammer upgrade?

[slow ferry]

you almost always get 2 by the end of it, so...

I guess it's nice to get em earlier

[restive portal]

Oh, I read that as implying the hammer would be upgraded some how

I get it now.

[idle sluice]

Is it true that the story ends after beating hades for the 9th time?

I'm at 3 or 4 clears rn

[radiant shore]

10 times ||(edit: reach surface)||

but yes that involves beating hades 9 times

[polar finch]

after 10 clears is where the main story arc is completed and you reach the credits. there is still story afterwards

[shut oak]

Yoooo first run without a single death!! (Varatha hidden aspect is kinda op)

[viscid notch]

Nice

[marsh vector]

GZ!

Just got 3 Wins for now and always lost most DDs :-)

[idle sluice]

Hey guys

So

If you are for example on heat 1 and you died at the last boss

You got 3/4 rewards from that Heat 1 run

What do you do now

Don't increase the heat until you beat the last boss with Heat 1?

Or increase it anyway because of the resources?

What's the most time efficient in the long run

[viscid notch]

Even if you increase it

It stays at 3/4

[dusty vault]

remember to spoiler mark ||last boss/heat|| related things btw

[idle sluice]

Sorry

[indigo zealot]

u might wanna spoiler mark more than that lol

[idle sluice]

If I increase it to Heat 2 all rewards reset again even if I have 3/4 at Heat 1

[dusty vault]

but yeah if you ||dont complete a heat with a weapon there is no point in going up, a higher heat victory will only give you the last reward you missed on heat 1||

[idle sluice]

So my question is if I should just increase it to get resources faster

Oh really

[viscid notch]

Yes

You still have to do a run to get that last one

[idle sluice]

Why does it show 0/4 then when I increase it

[viscid notch]

Is it a different weapon?

[idle sluice]

No

I could theoretically skip the last boss fight at Heat 1 and continue with Heat 2 according to what I see in my game

[viscid notch]

Hmm I’m not too sure, I know you can skip 0 to 1 but that was the only exception, other ||heats|| should work properly

[idle sluice]

Is Heat really a spoiler?

It's pretty out of context for people who don't know

[viscid notch]

It is out of context but it’s past the last boss and everything past that should be spoilered in this channel

[idle sluice]

I will try skipping 1 and going straight to 2 soon

[marsh vector]

What keys are for after Max out the Mirror? Or Just trade?

And how many Gifts i have to give meg to get All hearts?

[viscid notch]

They have no purpose, but you still take keys during your runs because they give you a reroll

You can also reset your mirror for 1 key, but yea that's not exactly useful

[quick drum]

usually i just keep them for the 15 keys -> 1 titanblood limited time trade, and like mike said during the runs theyre probably the best permanent resource to take because you get 1 reroll

[leaden whale]

It is if you're not at max darkness

Usually if I'm doing like an attack build, I reset the mirror and take away all the darkness for cast

And put it into fated

[viscid notch]

Well yes, this is in the context of a maxed mirror tho

[rough nebula]

In my 3rd run i came to the forest area is that good?

[viscid notch]

Yes

[noble mist]

if by forest you mean elysium then thats really good. i think it took me till like run 20-30 to start getting there

[winter briar]

You can max darkness?!

[restive portal]

For non cosmetic things, yes.

There's a way to spend darkness on things that are purely cosmetic and that's effectively unlimited.

There's no artificial maximum to what you can earn in a single run though.

[shut oak]

does this game even have an ending

i have 9 wins and still no credits??

[maiden ruin]

||you see the credits after 10 wins||

lmao

[brazen slate]

Whats the best weapon to level up going through the dungeons

[shut oak]

Oh lmaooo xD

[strange fjord]

||and don't forget the epilogue ||

[strange fjord]

I'd say the shield because you can block a lot of attacks and deal some damage

[barren furnace]

how do i get more titan bloods ?

[celest fox]

Clear runs partially at least with other weapons

Or trade other currencies for them

[barren furnace]

i did
but i think i need more

[celest fox]

You have to clear the run then

You can get two per fresh clear

[barren furnace]

oh okay
thanks for the help

[celest fox]

Np

[brazen slate]

Thanks man, good to know!

[strange fjord]

[marsh vector]

Stage 4 always blow me up, poisen everywhere

[thin ruin]

damn it

just had a really close death to ||the father|| on escape attempt 11

if anyone wouldn't mind, what are some general tips for the fight?

[languid dock]

Which is better, Lv. 1 Hera Bow or lv. 4 Chrion Bow?

[viscid notch]

They are both at usable levels, they play quite differently so not sure how you’d compare the two, they are both viable picks

[polar finch]

the better one is the one you do better with

[viscid notch]

Yea that’s true, it’s basically that Chiron likes levels and you have it levelled, and Hera doesn’t care as much, so it puts them kinda evenly and it’s up to your playstyle at that point, if those levels were swapped then Chiron would be underwhelming

[languid dock]

I was asking cause most people say chiron is only good at a high lv. and was wondering if it was high enough

[polar finch]

yeah its high enough

chiron still works at lvl 1 though but you need to use hangover

[languid dock]

thank's guys. got it

[tight jay]

tips on the Elysium boss duo?

got around 1/2hp total on them then died

[polar finch]

@tight jay

[tight jay]

a real homie

[zenith cave]

7 runs in and I was able to reach the second boss. I felt pretty good about that. I still feel like I suck at this game. The dash attack is basically my jam.

[leaden whale]

Bro, in this run I’m mainly doing all basic attack and dash attack Boons. I got my first duo boon and this build is looking so good rn.

[celest fox]

Remember that dash attacking cancels the invulerability from dashings

[zenith cave]

I didn’t know that. Hmm

[zenith cave]

I have been using the shield. It’s pretty solid.

[grave storm]

pretty solid, huh

[leaden whale]

I just completed the first Run and Beat all the 4 Bosses

Took me 26 attempts

This is my first Rouge Like/Lite game

[quick drum]

gratz

[leaden whale]

✌️✌️

[leaden whale]

Iam using Rail Gun😂 it's pretty overpowered when you get the Rocket 🚀 Launcher Boon😂

[frosty girder]

If your using rail a solid build is Zeus on attack, static discharge and maybe doom on special

But attack will be your primary damage source

[rough nebula]

Isn't the get 2hp when hitting an enemy but minus -60 max.hp a bit brocken. Because when i played with it it felt extremly brocken

[viscid notch]

It does seem like that at earlier stages in the game, later on when you unlock and push ||heat|| and start playing sword optimally it becomes a hammer you avoid all the time because it kills your runs due to the penalty

[rough nebula]

Oh ok

[polar finch]

its useless with dash strikes

[viscid notch]

Yea I feel like it's the biggest downfall of that hammer, if it applied to dash strikes it would've been usable imo

Especially with double edge hitting twice

[humble herald]

When I see new players take it, I usually see them get carried by it for awhile, until they run into a boss that damages them too much for their now tiny health pool to deal with, healing or no

[polar finch]

tbh its just a bad hammer design

while hades is a game where youre supposed to prioritize avoiding damage and using weapons optimally is about employing dash strikes, especially the sword, cursed slash makes you not punished for just standing still and holding the attack button and its just about whether enemies can out dps your heals.

[leaden whale]

I think it would be broken if it supported dash strikes tho

[polar finch]

it would still suck at ||high heat||

and players that are proficient with the sword dont have much problem at lower difficulty

[celest fox]

Cursed slash should have also just increased attack damage

The healing alone is very sad without flurry

[polar finch]

idk if making it easier to crutch on is a good idea

[celest fox]

Idk I've never performed well with it

Is it even a crutch if it fails by itself in the end?

[polar finch]

with attack speed increases it doesnt fail is the problem

and some players just absolutely need it to win which makes it a crutch and not good for learning the game

[gray haven]

Ain't no such thing as a "crutch".

If they've found a strategy that's working for them, they've learned something about the game that's helping them.

Nothing wrong with that.

I've seen plenty of new players who won their first run the first time they got Cursed Slash.

Pretty sure my own first Stygius win was with Cursed Slash.

[polar finch]

the problem is just when they turn it into their only option

[gray haven]

It's not a problem if they're having fun with it.

[polar finch]

fair

[celest fox]

Its interesting how people love cursed but hate guan yu

At least with guan yu I'm deciding to do this from the start

[gray haven]

The hidden spear is quite popular.

Just the players who don't like it really don't like it.

[celest fox]

Really? I find a lot of hate on it at least from vocal people.

[polar finch]

well hidden spear is slower i guess

since you need to charge the spin and the amount of healing is less consistent too since it needs to stay on target

like especially against bosses you wont be able to as easily out heal them as you can with cursed

[leaden whale]

it's a breeze once you get quick spin

[near night]

hello there

[leaden whale]

hi

again

[strange fjord]

And once again, the mysterious user vanishes...

[leaden whale]

it's a cycle

glad he likes hyper light drifter though

at least, that's what i think the profile picture is...?

[strange fjord]

Yeah i think that's it

[near night]

lol

im back again

so how i get more titan´s blood?

[dusty vault]

You get one for killing the first and last boss for the first time with each weapon, after completing a run the game opens another way to get more

Prophecies/lounge trader also are other methods of gaining more

[near night]

i have all the weapons

and i spend all the titan´s blood i had

[grave storm]

Yeah you need a full clear then

the game will tell you how to earn more after that

[slow nacelle]

how do i use titan's blood? i only have on...should i be able to do something with it?

[polar finch]

unlock all weapons then clear/fail a run then talk to skelly

[slow nacelle]

got it

[pseudo hollow]

Hey so

Idk who to use nectar on

Does it ultimately not matter

Or

[cloud wasp]

It does

What keepsakes you got

[pseudo hollow]

Nyx's and the sleep person in the main hallway

Idk what her name is

[dusty vault]

pretty much try and give at least 1 to each character (mainly the gods/cerb/skelly and aspho npc)

[cloud wasp]

Id recommend Cerberus

[dusty vault]

hypnos is a dude btw

[pseudo hollow]

Ok

[pseudo hollow]

💀

TIL

[cloud wasp]

Cerberus and Achilles are pretty good in general

[pseudo hollow]

K next time I die I'll give it to Cerberus

[slim dome]

@pseudo hollow since you’re still at the start, go ahead and bind reload to L2, summon to R3, cast to L1, and codex to circle.

[pseudo hollow]

What

[slim dome]

If you’re not on PS controller just do whatever the equivalent is

Or are you on mouse and keyboard?

[pseudo hollow]

I'm on xbox

But like how

[slim dome]

okay so go to settings and controls

Press start to get to settings

Then make reload LT, cast LB, summon R3, and codex B

It’s best to get used to it while you’re new

I’m just now switching my cast to L1/LB and wish I had done so sooner so I was used to it

[gray haven]

No need to rebind your go-to controls. It's only really common for Rail and two other other aspects.

[slim dome]

I think those controls are objectively better for playing the game. You can go without rebinding cast but if you’re ever gonna play rail you should never keep reload on R3

Best to get used to it early IMO

[gray haven]

Codex on B but Summon on R3 is very questionable.

That's spoilers in this channel.

[slim dome]

Whoops I did t realize which channel I was in 🤦🏻‍♂️

[gray haven]

I noticed.

[cloud wasp]

Lmao

[pseudo hollow]

Ok so

What are the

Gem looking things

I have like 10 of them

Jesus

That was a hard fight

I made it out of the second area

Asphodel

Whatever it's called

[gray haven]

Gemstones? You can use them to buy upgrades at the House Contractor.

Most of them cosmetic.

[pseudo hollow]

Oh that

Ok

[near night]

Hello

[celest fox]

All but the work orders are like 95% cosmetic

A handful of the things you can buy with gems that arent work orders, improve stuff like record keeping

For example you can buy a fountain that tells you how many fountains you have used

So save resources for work orders first, but there are side quests that require cosmetics

[pseudo hollow]

Ok so originally I didn't see the point in casting

But damn

The extra damage to enemies with the cast on them

Helps a lot

[celest fox]

Casts can even be all or most of your damage

They can do a lot. They're just more advanced I guess

[pseudo hollow]

Ok I'm done playing for tonight

I think I found my next addiction lmao

So the weapon you use doesn't really matter right? Just pick the one that you like the best?

Because the bow feels so good

[polar finch]

all weapons are good

[grave storm]

ah good, more members of the bow society

[pseudo hollow]

💀

[restive spoke]

Bow makes game easy mode

Especially chiron

[grave storm]

?

[barren furnace]

ngl zagreus's sowrd is pretty pog

[leaden whale]

Uh what now

[chrome ruin]

sowrd

[strange fjord]

morning fellow shades

[grave storm]

Morning

[radiant shore]

good morning/afternoon/evening
almost a quarter past 7pm on gmt+8 side of the world lol

[grave storm]

6 AM EST lol

[winter briar]

Is it weird that ive done 200+ runs and still havent obtained ||gilgamesh||?

[strange fjord]

Well, you depend on RNG to ||get the line from asterius|| so no it isn't that weird

[leaden whale]

Damn really

Never heard of that bad luck

[leaden whale]

Hi I am shade

[red vortex]

What is that?

[leaden whale]

Dw bout it

[red vortex]

Lmao xD

Well, tbh I only have around 9 hours now, took a break for whatever reason and started playing yesterday night. On my first run (which is only paused) I had the shield and beat that third boss! Got that flask which use I don't really know...

[leaden whale]

Oh

[red vortex]

Man, it really is obvious that I don't know *anything hahaha

[leaden whale]

Yea you will learn as you go

[red vortex]

Any tips for the last boss though? Failed twice already and that was a while ago

(I have a slow + lot's of health build)

[leaden whale]

Uhh hmm try to have as much death defiences as possible and when he hits with boiling blood just run until it goes away

Don't risk taking double damage

[red vortex]

Oh welp, I don't know if I only have 1 or 2 death defiences 😅
Didn't look into the mirror

[leaden whale]

Oh well I had 2 when I first fought em

[red vortex]

Let's just hope that I have 3 lifes 👀

[leaden whale]

Yea

Or use Skelly's keepsake

[red vortex]

I am using the dog's rn...

Almost at 300 hp xD

[zenith cave]

So I’m 7 runs in and am just confused. All these different boons and the mirror and gifts, etc etc. Does everything become more clear or am I just missing everything? This is my first roguelike. Really enjoying the game but feel behind the curve a little.

And my combat is basically mashing B/Y for the dash attack.

Choosing random boons. Clearly not thinking about builds yet.

[thick vault]

Just got my first Charon fight, up until now i never knew about it. Let's just say he handed my booty to me and he took his coin back 😆

[viscid notch]

lol

[static oriole]

ahahah

you are so cute

good luck fulfilling "friendly wager" prophecy, where you have to beat Charon two successive times

[static oriole]

you'll have to eventually

otherwise you're never going to beat this game

or just by sheer luck

[pseudo hollow]

Should I save to get a 2nd death defiance

[thin ruin]

depends on how much more darkness it’ll take to get the 2nd one

i’m late though

[barren furnace]

it took me 500 for the 2nd death defiance and 1000 for the 3rd

also the skele gives a tooth that also works as death defiance i use sometimes

[zenith cave]

@static oriole yeah I figure I will in due time. Right now I’m just trying to wrap my head around mechanics and all the different power ups.

I made it to the second boss on my seventh go. So I’m progressing but I think it’s in spite of myself, lol.

[grave storm]

also feel free to ask for builds here

[latent cloud]

how do you turn off personal liability if you arent in hell mode
I made a new save file but i dont have the option to get one heat from it anymore

[grave storm]

That's hell mode only

[latent cloud]

oh

so do speedrunners do hades only in hell mode?

or do they do it without usually?

[dusty vault]

without it as it forces the ||more enemies and more enemy health pacts||

[indigo zealot]

feels like that's not really new player discussion lol

[latent cloud]

should have put it in discussion my b

[leaden whale]

bsst mirror?

[gray haven]

This video should help a lot. https://youtu.be/MeX_O18y_rE

[pseudo hollow]

Who gives the best cast effect

Cuz I really like dionysus's cast

[polar finch]

hunting blades ig

[grave storm]

They all have their uses, some take longer/more luck to come together

[knotty rune]

as far as just the effect goes

probs athenas deflect

weak is pretty good but the range makes it harder to pull off.

zeus seems really strong on paper, but the fact that it bounces around means that lots of the time, it wont lodge into the enemy you originally hit. you use your cast on a big mini boss, but it just bounces and lodges into a random goon.

which could cost you 50% damage and some powerful duo effects

unless you have the foresight to hit the weaker enemy with the cast, so it bounces to the strongest one and lodges

for that reason i pretty much only take zeus cast when the cast itself is my main source of damage

or if i have a strong jolted effect to just synergize with any source of lighting at all

of course Dios cast also never lodges. which imo is a bigger downside than the travel time

unless youre gonna be upgrading it a bunch, or have another boon with hangover synergy, probably shouldnt take it on a big melee build like hidden sword aspect

[gray haven]

Trippy Shot is an excellent source of damage scaling in any build. Slicing Shot is excellent when you already have Lady Artemis in your pool and can get Hunting Blades, but it's pretty weak otherwise. Flood Shot is pretty weak unless you heavily focus on it from the start, and he his Dash and Call are so much stronger that it's rarely worth taking it. All the other Casts are very versatile with great pom scaling. ||Crystal Beam can be very powerful if you focus on it from very early on in the run, but otherwise it's usually very weak and not worth taking.||

If you're doing specifically a Cast build, you can make anything work very effectively.

[static oriole]

haelian sucks, he actually recommends privileged status here

and doesn't give credit to high confidence, which is better most of the times, for most weapons

i meant fiery presence

but high confidence too actually

at low heat at least

but he's right mentioning greater reflex first

it has to be your first mirror upgrade for sure

"you wouldn't want fiery presence on rail" lol

you actually do want fiery presence on rail, except you're using zag rail spread fire

+75% bonus damage to your special is huge

versus +50% to your attack which deals 10 damage lol

instead of 10 you deal 15, wow

use shadow presence guys

and then with dark regeneration

damn so many bad advices

[gray haven]

What? Haelian was the number 1 Hades play for most of Early Access. He's had WRs in every category.

Saying he sucks when you haven't done half the things he's done is a bit out there. And in any case, that kind of language is just completely uncalled for.

[barren furnace]

is that laser beam cast useful ?

[slow ferry]

Well, it's not not useful

It sure is unique, and it's fun, and you can win with it

[viscid notch]

On its own it’s a bit underwhelming, you’d want ||Crystal Clarity or Cold Embrace|| to make it shine, ||Glacial Glare|| also a good boon to pick up

[static oriole]

i suck compared to him, but i don't presume authority
there are better mirror guides than his, i speak according to them

[gray haven]

Critique on a guide and saying he "sucks" are very different things.

[static oriole]

ok sorry

this particular mirror guide sucks i think

not haelian himself as a hades player

[barren furnace]

[gray haven]

It's very powerful if everything comes together, but it can be difficult to get there because you need a lot of pieces that can be difficult to get.

[leaden whale]

the targeting beam is cool

otherwise I think it's kinda useless

what aspect would go well with demeter?

chaos shield?

[static oriole]

achilles maybe

if you want demeter to be in your core

i personally like demeter more for her secondary boons

ravenous will, snow burst

[leaden whale]

i mean i thought it would go strong with the special on chaos shield beause if you can chill everything in the room and get that killing freeze boon you can decay them whcih is pretty strong when you have all stacks

im farming blood for arthur rn, the setup for that would be artemis + aphrodite dash right

[static oriole]

maybe, but damage overtime as your primal source of damage is usually not the best idea, unless it's cast

and chaos shield doesn't have anything else going for him except those multiple shields

[leaden whale]

yeah so wouldnt the multiple shields make it easier to stack chill onto enemies and when you get the killing freeze it will allow you to proc it faster

it just seems like a interesting idea but the damage would never compare to anything speedrunning viable

so not very fun if it doesnt hit hard enough

[static oriole]

yeah, in theory

try it out for yourself why not

[gray haven]

Heartbreak Strike + Zeus' Aid and get Smoldering Air.

Spoiler-tag hidden aspects, though.

And also spoiler-tag ||Lady Demeter||.

[leaden whale]

Ah my bad

[quick hemlock]

wg

[red vortex]

Can I somehow see which bosses I beat with each weapon?

[leaden whale]

I think the closest thing is the ||administrative chamber||

Which shows you the result of every run

As well as your most used weapons

Not for specific bosses i dont think though

[dusty vault]

You can once you escape for the firdt time

[red vortex]

ahh okay

Also, isnt it kinda op to get 200 coins from one room and then buy a Daedalus Hammer for 200?

[quick drum]

not really since you could have possibly gotten a hammer as a room reward itself

[red vortex]

but extra money in general and more darkness and gems as well

[quick drum]

so you would have accomplished the same thing but probably with a net gain in money since i dont think room rewards usually give a full 200 gold

[red vortex]

hmmm, I can't upload a pic but I have 60% chamber rewards, 40% more gold and 20% more darkness

[restive portal]

I got 1100 darkness for final boss once. Thanks Master Chaos for 3x rewards boosts and Poseidon for the contribution.

But in general the game will try quite hard to give you two hammers, so buying one in a shop just lets you pick something else as a room reward later on, and they are typically cheaper than 200 coins (unless you intend to sell and get a duo or legendary)

So most of the time I would save the coin for something else tbh

[red vortex]

Oh wow, my third special room in one run

how do I fish xD

[leaden whale]

Do you have the rod?

Imma assume you do:

When the fish goes for the bite, press the interact button

It can fake out up to three times

If you react very quickly, you get a perfect catch, which I believe increases the chance of getting rarer fish

It also helps if you have rumble on your controller too

[red vortex]

Thanks mate, I missed one and didn't know how it worked

[dusty vault]

Makes a 50/5 beetween rare fish and legendary

[red vortex]

Is reaching the last boss 4/14 times after starting out an accomplishment? 🤔

[restive portal]

I think I got there first time after about 30 attempts, so it's better than me :)

[leaden whale]

Pretty good

Close to what I achieved

[red vortex]

I did play dead cells before, so maybe I have a bit of experience in rogue likes? 😅

But it's still frustrating loosing after getting very nice builds (I can't really call my builds good though)

[leaden whale]

Can't blame ya

Dead Cells is brutal

Made it to 4bc after 200 or so runs

[red vortex]

Highest difficulty is even more brutal, it really takes a while.

||I also hope this game has a good heat system to ramp up the difficulty soon||

[red vortex]

Damn, I don't really know when I cleared 5bc but I definitely did many blueprint runs, but I have 100% (except outfits) in about 130 hours 🤔

[leaden whale]

i don't have an hour count sadly, because i've been on mobile

[viscid notch]

By the time I beat 3BC I had no motivation to attempt 4BC lol

[leaden whale]

it's genuinely so good to play between classes, i just bring a ps4 controller with me

[leaden whale]

failed experiments want to say hi though :((

[viscid notch]

No thank you

[leaden whale]

also the ending is really dope

[red vortex]

Damn, rn I have 300+ runs and probably 100 were blueprint runs, so maybe 200-250 for 5bc?

But mobile just seems harder

[red vortex]

Normal or true ending? 👀

[viscid notch]

||Heat|| is a spoiler here so

[red vortex]

Gotcha

[leaden whale]

true

i meant

the ||collector|| boss fight is sooo goood

brutal

but good

[viscid notch]

But yea I would say it ramps up pretty well, until the extreme points start (around 50), then it starts ramping up really fast in difficulty

[red vortex]

Wait, you mean the second ending after that "secret" final boss?

There is the ending after the final boss but then there is:
2. || Second ending after collector where your body gets Thanos snapped||
3. ||Beat the collector with the kings outfit (the king respawns after collector defeat). Take body of king, kill collector, profit. Your body stays normal and you sip your wine, yk?||

[leaden whale]

yep was referring to the third one

i think that's the really cool one

[red vortex]

Oh lol

[leaden whale]

the panacea ending is fine

they're all fine

i just thought that the third one is just a really good conclusion

also i've been cheesing my way up the bc with repeater crossbow and wolf trap

[red vortex]

Fun fact, panacea is a spoiler in the dc discord 😂

[red vortex]

Me using my 100k crit Rhythm:
👀

[leaden whale]

oh whoops

[gray haven]

#video-games

[hot horizon]

So I was like 5% off of killing the second boss on my third run, how bad am I?

[viscid notch]

Above average I would say

You probably have an extra dash and a dd at this point

So that's pretty good

[celest fox]

My second time clearing the game

I got to a boss, died, beat them the next try

So pretty good pacing

Like 1 or 2 attempts to be consistent at least is fine

You'll know when you hit a wall

[hot horizon]

I did not have an extra dash.

I did grind a lot of Gungeon before this, might help a bit.

Very different, but I can tend to see things.

[celest fox]

That's good

Yeah just get the extra dash and you're good

Most enemy attacks are balanced around that it seems

Bosses especially

[hot horizon]

It's just a matter of memorizing patterns.

It is nice how the game gives you enough time to get a combo going to get the powerful hit in when something spawns.

[celest fox]

Yeah

There are some stuff you can turn on to make that harder but you'll see soon at this pace

[hot horizon]

I have a dumb build of "spam the special button" right now and it's kinda working.

It's doing 98 damage, reflects and is faster.

[slow ferry]

Sometimes the special is just better

What weapon?

[hot horizon]

The default sword.

[gray haven]

They're balanced very well for single dash, actually. Takes a lot of practice, though.

[celest fox]

I agree, I prefer relentless, but it's definitely harder

Even just for traps

[flat minnow]

i was thinking about that right now, one dash gives dodge and damage boost if you hit, practice defnetly, ||hades|| bomb spam tho

[hot horizon]

The armor is annoying but it makes a lot of sense for gameplay.

[pseudo hollow]

Ok

So

Twin shot on the bow

How reduced is the rabge

Also what does fated choice mean

[dusty vault]

that is needed for a prophecy

[pseudo hollow]

Ok

[dusty vault]

and i dont feel like it reduces it that much

may need to be a little closer but not a problem

[pseudo hollow]

Ok so it's better than explosive shot for me then

Because I loved explosive shot but the charge time was brutal

[dusty vault]

are you dash striking btw? makes the charge faster

[pseudo hollow]

The hell

[pseudo hollow]

I am but I forget to sometimes lmao

But uh

||Meg wasn't at the end of Tartarus today ????||

[dusty vault]

that happens after you beat her a few times yeah

[pseudo hollow]

Damn

Anyway I'm like 12 dark essence stuff from my 2nd death defiance

[dusty vault]

nice

[pseudo hollow]

Do y'all prefer death defiance or stubborn defiance

[dusty vault]

death defiance, i dont die that often on normal encounter to make it good having SD

[pseudo hollow]

Chamber refers to like

Tartarus, Asphodel, Elysium, etc

Right

[dusty vault]

chamber is each room you are in x biome

[pseudo hollow]

What

[dusty vault]

when you see your boon list in a run in the top right it says what chamber you are in

[pseudo hollow]

Wait so

SD is literally just

You can die once per room

?

[dusty vault]

yeah

if you lost it that room it regenerates the next one

[pseudo hollow]

💀

I mean I'll get it and try it out

But like

That seems

Just

[polar finch]

sd is for high heat

[dusty vault]

ofc that means only 1 chance at bosses unless you take skelly tooth/do the athena thing

[pseudo hollow]

Yeah

I think I'll prefer death defiance cuz like I need the 50% on Regen for bosses to win

Cuz I'm still bad

But

I'll still try it out

[dusty vault]

(ig i should mention it) if you lost your SD in a room that athena is your reward and she offers you last/deathless stand, she gives you a dd then next chamber your SD regens again

[pseudo hollow]

Neat

I think I'll focus on getting 3 DD's first tho

Lol

[dusty vault]

DDs comfy

[pseudo hollow]

Damn it's so nice having 2 DD

I don't have to worry once I lose one

🧑‍🍳

[restive portal]

Talk to Athena, she might have one spare

[celest fox]

SD is neat but yeah you are more likely to die twice to the final boss

Than once beforehand. Especially once per room.

You use it if you need its special characteristics

||Chaos|| can't give bonus dds with sd?

Or are those just so rare it isnt worth considering?

I've seen them without the keepsake like once

[dusty vault]

Chaos doesnt have DDs as requirements so still should be able

but yeah kinda rare

[pseudo hollow]

What the hell

A duo boon

?

The hell is that

[dusty vault]

Boons that appear when you have boons from 2 different gods

[pseudo hollow]

Neat

HELL YEAH I beat bone Hydra for the 2nd tine

This time with a death defiance to spare

[pseudo hollow]

Damn this auto fire upgrade kinda slaps

Ngl

But idk which upgrade to take now, how does twin shot interact with the auto fire

[polar finch]

flurry shot?

[polar finch]

twin flurry is probably the best combination for the base bow

[pseudo hollow]

Bet

[pseudo hollow]

Idk it's the one that removes power shot to let you hold down attack to keep firing

[polar finch]

yeah thats it

[pseudo hollow]

K

Cool well now I have one of the best combinations in the game apparently with 236 health in Elysium and still a death defiance left

Hopefully I can make it to the Elysium boss

Damn

I almost beat Theseus first try

😩

[pseudo hollow]

If I keep just giving nectar to the same person over and over

Do I get smthn out of it

I gave like 5 to Skelly for some reason

Lmao

[polar finch]

if you give enough nectar and do a certain thing you can give them ambrosia, if you give skelly or meg, dusa, achilles, or sisyphus an ambrosy theyll give you an item

[pseudo hollow]

So I shouldn't give more nectar to Skelly?

Lol

Until I get an ambrosia

Thats

From the Elysium boss right

[slow ferry]

better to get the first item from everyone yeah

[pseudo hollow]

K

Ambrosia is from Theseus right

Lol

[grave storm]

ye

[polar finch]

tbh skelly's item aint that great compared to like megs

[pseudo hollow]

Hell yea I got enough essence for DD 3

[barren furnace]

finally got the pierced butterfly

[lofty acorn]

guess who finally unlocked the ||hidden aspect||

3 titan blood jeeez

[kind remnant]

what's the go to boons for aspect of Poseiden

[polar finch]

just build smouldering air and get whatever cast

[viscid notch]

That works

Unsurprisingly

[kind remnant]

hm

[viscid notch]

You can go for Zeus’ Cast and look for Static Discharge (it’s good for room clearing but lacks dmg for boss fights compared to other casts), Athena’s Cast is good all around (good boss dmg) and if you get lightning Phalanx it becomes better at room clearing, also has that safety due to the deflect if you time it well, Aphro’s Cast is another good option if you can get used to the low range, Mirage Shot is a strong duo, good for any cast build so you can look out for that if you have an opportunity

You can make any cast work honestly, those are just the top ones, if you decide to go for unlodgable ones like Trippy with Ice Wine or Slicing Shot with Hunting blades you’re better off going for another aspect like Achilles which gives a bigger bonus since your whole Poseidon special gimmick doesn’t do anything anymore, they are still usable by all means tho

[kind remnant]

I thought going for exit wound would be a good one. I'll consider these, thank youj

[viscid notch]

Exit wounds is a decent boon, it kinda sounds op but it’s really just average, grabbing it doesn’t hurt tho because of the Artemis Legendary but yea it’s not something you should go out of your way to get

In normal rooms your casts would be killing enemies or you would be using a dash-strike / Special to finish them off thus giving you back your casts, so exit wounds would mostly be working on bosses, but the dmg compared to your cast or other boons that you may have (like a good dps call) would still be pretty small, and you usually have other things you want to pom

[distant notch]

omg y'all... Last night, I tried out ||Chiron|| with Zeus, Ares, and Dio and it was the best game I've ever had with Coronacht. I never thought I would ever actually enjoy the bow but that was a build that I think I might be able to go through ||higher heats with. I was on Heat 8 for that.||

[static oriole]

where's the screenshot of victory screen?

[distant notch]

It's on my desktop. I'll remember to post it. Essentially, the main stuff that caused the easier melting of enemies were the hangover special, lightning dash with static discharge and chain lightning attack, blade cast, and Artemis' aid

Throw a blade rift cast, then mark the enemies, and special. Occasionally get Art's aid. It was super effective.

[quick drum]

zoos attack chiron

[distant notch]

Yeah truly...

[strange fjord]

Hey guys, i beated ||Charon|| for the first time, so now i gotta do it again on the next run for the prophecy or i can try again whenever i want?

I don't know if the "2 times in a row" means 2 consecutive runs or 2 fights in separate runs

[quaint zephyr]

It’s the latter

[strange fjord]

Thanks ^^

[zenith cave]

What’s everyone’s favorite aspect for the shield?

[leaden whale]

The hidden one

Or zeus

But 99% of the time the hiddin one

[zenith cave]

Zeus is the one I was thinking about going for. Chaos the other.

Zeus over chaos?

[polar finch]

chaos kinda ew

[leaden whale]

Shotgun shield👎

[polar finch]

shotgun implies it actually does damage

[zenith cave]

Interesting.

I’m also digging the spear. I just messed around and still made it to second boss. Almost beat it…

I’ve been using different weapons but am kinda ready to focus on one more as I progress.

[kind remnant]

Is there a best first aspect to invest in for each weapon? I want to be able build a decent build to clear with each weapon. I've cleared with the bow 3 times, and the fists twice but failed with other weapons. I put some titan blood into Poseidon aspect and Eris

Haven't put anything into spear or shield

[grave storm]

Sword: Nemesis
Bow: Hera (don't spend blood past L1 until you have excess). Take Aphrodite's keepsake, get her cast, profit
Shield: both Chaos and Zeus have fans, I like Zeus + Zeus special more
Fist: you'll also get split opinions, but Demeter
Rail is Eris yeah
And Achilles Spear

[kind remnant]

I don't have Chaos shield unlocked yet, I've read it's good with a specific build so maybe I'll go for zeus first, ty

Same with Hera

[polar finch]

chaos needs lvls

but its still low damage

[kind remnant]

zeus then

[polar finch]

for zeus shield put zeus on special

and go for more zeus

[kind remnant]

zeus on zeus

what about achielles spear

cast build?

[polar finch]

pretty flexible

you usually build both or either

[kind remnant]

Yeah I tried googling and seems like there isn't a true meta

[polar finch]

generally if you want a lot of cast dps you go either ares, dio, demeter, or athena cast with their respective duos

attack is good with pretty much any god

just dont grab poseidon attack unless you have zeus and are going for seastorm

[kind remnant]

ty

hunting blades could be cool

Do people go for gods legacy or gods pride? sorry for all the questions

[viscid notch]

Pride is the more popular one

I do think Legacy is quite viable given the amount of reasonably good duos you can open up with a decent god pool but getting epic stuff can help a lot especially on Hermes for example

[kind remnant]

got it

[zenith cave]

Is there an OP weapon/aspect loadout that everyone likes?

I just unlocked some upgrades that I think will be game changers for me. I’m addicted even though I’m terrible at this game, lol. My first time playing a game like this.

[leaden whale]

flood shot ||beo||

• mirage

• fully loaded

the classic

[zenith cave]

I don’t know what any of that means

[leaden whale]

whoops that was a spoiler

[zenith cave]

Eh all good.

[leaden whale]

didn't realise this was the new players channel

[zenith cave]

Are you saying the shield with the Beo aspect?

[leaden whale]

yep

mirage shot is the duo between arty and posieden

[zenith cave]

Ok. I love the shield so I want to keep using it.

[leaden whale]

it fires double the amount of casts, with every extra cast dealing 30% damage

bordeline busted

[celest fox]

||you load casts into the shield with this aspect, like Hera if you have it||

||releases on attack rush||

[zenith cave]

I don’t cast much. If really ever. I should probably start dealing with that.

[celest fox]

Mostly start with just using it on bosses tbh

Cast builds are very different from just using cast

[zenith cave]

Hmm ok thanks. That makes sense. I need to just do a couple runs and experiment.

[celest fox]

Just using cast for bonus damage from attack/special: you focus attack and special damage and dont really need more casts

[polar finch]

does 100% with hidden shield*

[celest fox]

With cast weapons/builds, more casts almost always helps, you want to boon your cast a lot more than your attack or special because casts have better scaling

Like a lvl 8 attack is just silly, lvl 8 cast isnt

[leaden whale]

oh yeah

bugwulf

[polar finch]

on non cast builds you want to toss casts at far away/spawning/armored enemies

[celest fox]

Yeah and for that you want a lodging long distance cast

Poseidon, Artemis, Zeus, Athena

Crush shot though is very good for spammy cast builds

You can get to a point where you rapidly cast and pick them back up because they are near you instead of far away

Pair that with like Achilles and the casts can do pretty amazing damage

[zenith cave]

Can someone tell me why the aspect of chaos for the shield is bad?

[viscid notch]

The dmg you get with it even with a solid build is very low compared to other aspects and the aspect itself plays very slow, you would genuinely get more dmg if you go for the Charged Shot hammer with Artemis/Aphro on your Attack and completely ignoring the whole special gimmick

[polar finch]

its safe and thats it

but other shields are plenty safe and kill things faster which means less damage taken anyways

[viscid notch]

Yea like compare it to Zeus or ||Beowulf||

[static oriole]

speedrunners hate it, cause it's slow, but that's it

you can use it if you want

[polar finch]

its also bad for ||heat|| compared to other shields cuz its so slow

[static oriole]

the worst thing about it from beginner perspective is titan blood investment

it gets usable only when fully upgraded, otherwise it's glorified zag shield

no, worse than zag shield

vanilla shield

glorified vanilla shield

[fickle arch]

i feel like zeus shield is slower rather than chaos shield tbh

[tame sand]

yeah but it's more immediately useful

you get zeus slap ...also zeus on special and you're golden

[fickle arch]

ah that's what you mean

yeah the normal first upgrade on chaos sucks

[static oriole]

blitz disc kills enemies pretty quickly actually with the right build (zeus)

[fickle arch]

i tried it with dionysus

[tame sand]

plus you can run around while the special does its thing

[fickle arch]

maybe i'll try it off zeus

yeah i did

it was alright it just travels slow

[dusty vault]

you can also do merciful end and dont need as much the dash

[static oriole]

yeah, try zeus

[polar finch]

zeus shield is more difficult to use efficiently

[fickle arch]

yeah it takes more effort than just pressing q

a lot of repositioning and knowing where it stops moving and all

[tame sand]

still has special mapped to q

[fickle arch]

it's not too bad xd

[viscid notch]

I still have it mapped to Q

[maiden ruin]

bruh

[fickle arch]

i've played almost 70 hours with it on Q so im probably not changing it anytime soon

[tame sand]

yeah fair

[fickle arch]

though a friend was like "just use a controller lol"

[tame sand]

i dont know how to play any game with a controller

[fickle arch]

it's a new experience for sure

[tame sand]

and im not gonna learn how to do it while playing hades for sure

[fickle arch]

but I prefer keyboard

I also play dead cells on a keyboard xd

[celest fox]

Chaos can do solid damage

It just requires some stuff. I like Bad Influence a lot on it

At Epic rarity it's nearly +100% global damage if 3 enemies have hangover

So bull rush, set that up

Bull rush again, apply damage boosted hangover

[dusty vault]

pretty sure you dont need to re apply to work
it just buff the dmg the moment the condition is met

[celest fox]

Yeah you just reapply for more dps

And to keep it up on fresh enemies

[kind remnant]

Man I'm terrible with the spear

I even have hunting blades with Achilles and still lost two defiance of death before Hades haha

[celest fox]

Try dash specialing

I believe that gives you iframes

It's hard to explain but you kind of want to use your dash and special to raging rush together, based on what I've tried

Also dont use raging rush for small movements

Unless you need a charge

[dusty vault]

just doing the rush gives you i-frames, is pretty much a big dash

[celest fox]

Use it for big movements towards enemies then dash their attacks

[fickle arch]

i find that a lot of it is really about positioning if you wanna use the rush

just being mobile and less chances to get hit

[celest fox]

It does? I suppose so yeah

Yeah

You want a fast damage output

Flurry jab works

Hunting blades works

[plain linden]

whats the best weapon for defeating hades?

ive been stuck only getting thourgh the first time u get hi low then i only get halfway bc i used my death defincecs

[pseudo hollow]

Time to try out having 3 death defiances

[plain linden]

ok

should i ues skellys keepsake too?

for 4

[pseudo hollow]

I'm talking about myself

💀

[plain linden]

h mb

[pseudo hollow]

Nah that was my fault

I posted that without looking at current context

[plain linden]

ok

[tame sand]

my first was with the fists

[plain linden]

ok..

[tame sand]

but theyre not that safe cause you have to stay close to enemies

[plain linden]

makes sens

[viscid notch]

Well it really depends on what you’re comfortable with but from a more general perspective, Fists, Spear and Sword are the more dangerous ones due to being melee, Rail is around the mid tier spot, it’s ranged but you play it up close anyway, Bow and Shield can be played very safely tho

[plain linden]

ok

ive playe with the sheild and it blocks but it dosent do much dmg

unless u problry have durnken stirke

drunked

drunken

[tame sand]

bow was really fiddly for me when i was first getting out but it may be the safest option

[plain linden]

wouldnt the rali be beter tho

tbh

[viscid notch]

Yea it does depend on how you build them, Charged Shot helps with dps a lot on Shield but it removes your bullrush which is a crucial part of your safety so if you don’t wanna go that route you can go for something like Aphro’s attack and Zeus Call and aim for Smoldering Air and other Zeus boons, this way your call would be doing a lot of the dmg

[plain linden]

ok

ill try that

[tame sand]

i mean it depends lol
in the end find what suits your playstyle best

[plain linden]

ok

[tame sand]

and yes definitely try aphrodite's attack on shield

dionysus doesnt do much for you

[plain linden]

alr

thxs

[tame sand]

yw!

[pseudo hollow]

I really do like the bow like damn

Goddamn first run having 3 death defiances and I'm entering Elysium with all 3

🧑‍🍳

[restive portal]

Yeah, when it clicks it clicks

I predict good things.

[pseudo hollow]

What

Still on 3 btw at chamber 34

Hopefully when I hit Theseus I have all 3 still

Hell yeah

All 3 and at theseus

I DID IT I KILLED THESEUS

Used all 3 but goddamn

[plain linden]

for theseus and mino dash stirke

effevtive and u dont get hit as often

[pseudo hollow]

What's the strategy for them?

[plain linden]

also late game go for hermes mostly

[pseudo hollow]

Focus on one

?

[plain linden]

no

[pseudo hollow]

Or like split attention

Like what's the play

[plain linden]

silt

spilt

focus on the mino first

then theseus

if u can switch of and on

mino s very easliy dogeable

just dash around him

if u have greatest reflex

[polar finch]

theseus mainly becomes a threat when he's under half health and uses god calls yeah

so it's safest to lead asterius away from him and just dodge his spears/use pillars to block them

[plain linden]

yes

i would say to focus your attenion on theseus until half heath and press attenion on both at that point idk

i mostly put my attenion on mino and theseus at the same time

with blade rift

and my casts

thats how i play anyway

[polar finch]

dealing with both of them simultaneously is best when youre more confident with the fights and have good aoe dps

[plain linden]

yup

ez with the fist and spear rly

both of those are good at aoe no?

[polar finch]

spear ig, fists not so much. it's mostly about the build

[plain linden]

well if u get the right upgrade for the fist

[pseudo hollow]

Well I'm a bow user

So

[kind remnant]

Is hera better that Chiron?

[viscid notch]

They’re very different so not much to compare, Hera is tougher to play because you have to learn to manage your casts

[kind remnant]

Fair

[viscid notch]

Chiron is easier to play but struggles with aoe, also Chiron wants Titan Blood to be fully functional (Low Tolerance build still works at low level) meanwhile Hera doesn’t really care for the most part

[kind remnant]

I see

What about boon builds for zagerous bow. I maxed that out and have great luck with heart rend build. Anything more op than that?

[viscid notch]

You can go for Aphro Attack Zeus’ Aid and Smoldering Air with a ton of Zeus boons, those are basically the most popular builds for Zag bow

[kind remnant]

Oh nice I'll have to try that next and see if I like it better than heart rend

Oh I did smouldering air once with Poseidon aid, felt like cheat codes

[viscid notch]

Yea it goes get quite cheesy with Poseidon’s Aid, especially with rip current

[kind remnant]

But people do Zeus's aid generally?

[viscid notch]

I like it more because it leaves your dash slot open for more Dash Strike dmg from Artemis or more safety with Divine Dash, I also like Aphro duos more compared to Artemis

[polar finch]

its the highest dps call

[viscid notch]

It’s crazy good with a couple of other Zeus boons and a pom

And with Smoldering Air you’re gonna be spamming it all the time