h1-for-new-players

[leaden whale]

Ah the power couple

Yea they’re a pain

And for the bone rakers, if they’re stun locking you wait until they finish their attack then start waling on them

[grave cloak]

Is there any way to gain titan blood? I've defeated the furies with all weapons so they won't give any more

[slow ferry]

Once you beat the final boss it'll unlock a new way to get blood

Until then, you can exchange for it in the lounge or buy some with obols in the shop in the final area

[mild turtle]

shield or spear?

[grave cloak]

Spear is better imo

But shield can block

Almost anything

[mighty pelican]

spear trash imo, the spin attack is only good in lower ||heat|| and the special is just horrible. The only saving grace is the dash attack.

every weapon is basically balanced but i think the spear is the weakest among the 6

[grave cloak]

I have only 70 hours in game I only got to the last boss twice

With spear and rifle

[slow ferry]

Spears advantage is range, it's good beginner weapon i think

[grave cloak]

What's the sword advantage?

[gray haven]

||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel. Please use spoiler tags.

[gray haven]

Good question.

Achilles Aspect holds the speedrun WR right now. So, spear is most definitely not the weakest weapon.

[sullen eagle]

||If I have 2 death defiance, can I die twice from the same boss?||

[jovial notch]

Yep

[sullen eagle]

Thanks

[leaden whale]

its fast?? and does good damage?? idk

[jovial notch]

Well, you know, all the weapons are pretty good

and range doesn't matter so much when you're dash-striking everywhere anyways

for example, bow can get just as good dps as the twin fists, possibly better without any boons

[grave cloak]

But the spear has more speed damage and range and twin fists have more speed and even more damage

[dim quiver]

hello i am now here to defend stygian blade

[grave cloak]

Hi

[dim quiver]

it is good

[jovial notch]

stygian blade is epic

A tier if not S tier
also if you have issues with range

||aspect of poseidon is here to help||

[grave cloak]

I do not have blood

[jovial notch]

well, you know, zag aspect's alright too

[leaden whale]

i dont know lmao i think i have less hours then you anyways

[jovial notch]

also ngl stygius is pretty good

[dim quiver]

simple but powerful combos, that feel almost like pistol cancels in hyper light drifter, the dash strike does more damage than the base attack as well i think right?

[jovial notch]

but I really think it's all preference

for example, I really like coronaut and aegis

but my friend hates both of those and much prefers the twin fists, which are my least favorite weapon

[dim quiver]

my first legendary aspect

[grave cloak]

Better than exagryph imo

[dim quiver]

kinda wierd i know but i loved cast builds with stygian blade already

[grave cloak]

I got to the last boss with exagryph tho

[dim quiver]

hello I have now left and arrived again to defend exagryph

[jovial notch]

I too must defend exagryph

[grave cloak]

Well exagryph has good daedalus upgrades

[jovial notch]

have you tried cluster rockets lol

[grave cloak]

But special is slow

[jovial notch]

uh

no not really

[grave cloak]

Cluster bomb plus rocket?

[jovial notch]

||also just use aspect of eris lmao +75% global damage||

[jovial notch]

Yes

it's busted

[grave cloak]

I have 0 blood all spent

[jovial notch]

Oop

I mean I got my first clear with lvl 1 zag exagryph

I got delta chamber and support fire, run lasted half an hour lmao

[dim quiver]

wait leme check my first clear

[grave cloak]

I had 700+ damage on exagryph's special once

[jovial notch]

I've gotten upwards of 3k
cluster rockets really is epic

tbf I also had 2 chaos boons that, when added together, gave my special +120% damage

[dim quiver]

exclusive access duo boon build on fists of malphon zag 1

[jovial notch]

haha nice

[grave cloak]

Hazard bomb + targeting system + poseidon's boon for special

[jovial notch]

exclusive access is kind of funny

[dim quiver]

WHY DID I PUT SO MUCH INTO TYPHOONS FURY

what???

[grave cloak]

I had +140% dmg on epic tempest flourish 4th tier

[jovial notch]

||oh btw that rail build i was talking about got me my first 45 heat clear, just beat 50 with aspect of zues a few days ago as well||

[jovial notch]

LMAO

[jovial notch]

I was using an epic artemis' special

[grave cloak]

I haven't beaten the game once tho

[jovial notch]

Ah

well, keep trying

[dim quiver]

how many tries

[grave cloak]

Idk

About 25 I think

70 hours

[jovial notch]

70 hours for 25 tries?

wow, that's a lot

[grave cloak]

[mild turtle]

guys which is the best weapon?

[grave cloak]

Maybe I left game open for a night

[dim quiver]

it took me 20 more to win

[jovial notch]

Took me about 40 as well, yeah

[grave cloak]

Or two

[jovial notch]

They're all equal in power

[grave cloak]

[jovial notch]

but I really like most aspects of aegis and all aspects of coronaut

[dim quiver]

same except I was playing it the whole time as well

[mild turtle]

i guess if shield is the best cuz he blocks everything

[jovial notch]

[grave cloak]

[grave cloak]

[jovial notch]

I like how it took me 47 attempts to beat the first clear

and then within the next day i got the next nine

[grave cloak]

[jovial notch]

that doesn't mean 9 attempts

that means 30 attempts but I played for 12 hours

[grave cloak]

cough

I'm playing on god mode

[jovial notch]

okay

i found a really angry review on steam getting madge at godmode in a singleplayer game

(hades)

I think it's stupid

like, why tf do you care lmao

[dim quiver]

i have no idea how much of an effect it has on the game

[jovial notch]

||just play hell mode if you care||

[dim quiver]

but even if it gave an unfair advantage that just means im better lol

[jovial notch]

think it's like .5x difficulty or something

[dim quiver]

not much harder actually

[jovial notch]

and then they called hades a "hardcore roguelike"

lmao

[jovial notch]

no ik, but it stops you from enabling godmode

[grave cloak]

God mode gives +20% damage taken reduction plus 2% per failed attempt

[jovial notch]

oh wait that's like nothing

well, ig it increases a lot

[dim quiver]

(says me who hasn't even gotten to elysium in it)

[grave cloak]

I wonder if it can get 100% damage reduction

[gray haven]

||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel.

[grave cloak]

Btw

[dim quiver]

imagine being able to submit speedruns with godmode on

[dim quiver]

yeah?

[grave cloak]

Twin fists are hard

Because

You have to be really close

[dim quiver]

ur all up in their faces

yeah

[grave cloak]

Witch circle just wrecks you

[dim quiver]

i play hyper light drifter where the melee hitbox is about as small as-

i mean i play this game with really small hitboxes, so the fists aren't much of a change tbh

[jovial notch]

witch circle annoying

[dim quiver]

true

i owe a bit too many deaths to witch circle

[jovial notch]

I used to die a lot to witch circle
then I found athena

[grave cloak]

What's on your opinion is the best dash?

[jovial notch]

don't even need to left click lol

[grave cloak]

Imo athena's

[jovial notch]

tidal dash for speed/damage, divine dash for safety

[grave cloak]

It's literally invincibility dash

[dim quiver]

well....

all dashes have invincibility if it's not a dash strike

but yeah athenas really good

not used by more experienced players but i still use athena boons a LOAD

[grave cloak]

Only if it's explosion/melee

You can't dash through projectile

[dim quiver]

i have

[grave cloak]

At least I can't

[dim quiver]

guess im just a god

[grave cloak]

[dim quiver]

wait...

[gray haven]

You should try Divine Strike on Malphon. It's a lot of fun.

[grave cloak]

It is but malphon hits with pauses

[gray haven]

Dash.

[grave cloak]

But if you combine it with divine dash yeah

[gray haven]

I meant dash between your combos to reset the combo.

[grave cloak]

I know

[mild turtle]

what i do with diamonds

[grave storm]

buy work orders as they become available

[leaden whale]

Wdym, ME is amazing

[leaden whale]

Buy work orders/music or trade them for ambrosia

[pastel cipher]

ME is arguably the most powerful boon in the game

[valid thicket]

How can I get a summon? I just started to play the game

[slow ferry]

there's 6 people who can give you a "companion" which will allow you to summon them, but you have to get a LOT of hearts with them, which will require completing their favor

it's a whole thing

[dim quiver]

yeah true but apart from that ive asked around and most say they use her a lot less now

[pastel cipher]

they use it a lot less because it's quite awkward too set up since with 1.0 athena dash no longer was a pre-req for it

[dim quiver]

chaos or hermes

[vivid mist]

Depends, care to give more context¿

[jovial notch]

I don't like m.e just because it's kind of boring tbh

[leaden whale]

What do you do with the cthonic keys once you got all the weapons and mirror upgrades?

[chilly briar]

ive never lost with ME

its too good

[dusty vault]

You can trade 15 keys for titan blood iirc

[turbid verge]

hi

[leaden whale]

Nope about 100 keys = a titans blood iirc

[maiden ruin]

no 15 keys = 1 titan blood

[leaden whale]

Hm

Aight

I’m tired and my math isn’t working at all so your probably right

I finally freaking beat this game. Now I feel less stressed playing it

[faint umbra]

if you use repeatable trades, 1 titan blood is worth 100 keys. but there is a limited time offer of 1 titan blood for 15 keys

[maiden ruin]

oh yeah thats true

i didnt think about that

[valid thicket]

which one is the best keepsake?

[mighty pelican]

which ever one you like

Cerberus one is good for beginners

[storm basin]

If i use athena's keepsake for first level

Then switch to artamis'

The next boon will be artamis' right?

Or does that only work for the first boon of the run

[mighty pelican]

yeah the next boon will be Artemis.

its a good strat when you are trying to go for ||duo boons||

[storm basin]

Thanks

[mighty pelican]

np

[storm basin]

I love the railgun with crits lol

[mighty pelican]

its a lot of fun

idk if your this far in the game yet, but I like to put ||demeter|| on the attack. It can make foes and bosses go so ||slow||.

[grave cloak]

Ok I admit stygius is cool

Especially with world splittet

R

[mighty pelican]

yeah

[leaden whale]

okay so i havent gotten my first clear yet but ive almost beat the final boss like 3 times now, and while i could just keep on trying and beat it, i wanna try a new weapon to clear since ive only gotten down 2 of them, which are the gun and fists. and since i dont use it that much, whats a good build to clear the with the spear??

[leaden whale]

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING OF!

[leaden whale]

Depends on what you mean for “good build” ME is always a good option if you have fast attacks

[chilly briar]

ME is just broken

[grave cloak]

I almost beat the final boss with spear I had doom on attack and special 200 dmg

[grave cloak]

What's ME

I just got my first heroic boon

Tempest flourish

[grave storm]

ME=merciful end. Athena/Ares duo

[leaden whale]

ah ME is good on fists aswell

[jovial notch]

oop

[hoary lotus]

why does Achilles do so much damage compared to other spears? Am I buffing attack damage? If so, is it stacking?

oh nvm

i read the effect lol

[thick lance]

If I unequip pierced butterfly, I will lose the buff, right?

[pastel cipher]

Yep, you lose the buff

[thick lance]

gotcha, thanks!

[odd shoal]

you lose the buff with any keepsake like that

[thick lance]

Does blood frenzy stack?

[leaden whale]

Nope

I don’t think so

[thick lance]

So losing 2 death defiance in a room will not make it stack

[thick lance]

doom in itself cannot be stacked only with the right boon, correct?

[limber palm]

Correct

[thick lance]

Okay and how often can it be stacked with the right boon?

[void wyvern]

yep doom only stacks with dire misfortune

[void wyvern]

before the doom procs you have to apply it as many times as you can, i think thats how it works

[gray haven]

You can stack it as many times as you can hit in the time, yeah.

[thick lance]

so no cap?

[void wyvern]

iand i think the number is infinite as long as the doom hasnt been procced but i can be wrong

[thick lance]

That's cool, thanks!

[void wyvern]

if you wanna take dire, just get impending doom, gives u more time to get some stacks in

[thick lance]

ohh that's a great combo, nice

[grave cloak]

Just got my first clear

Varatha achilles aspect 1st lvl

28:50

Serrated point

Heartbreak flourish sweet surrender

Urge to kill

Frozen touch

Greater haste

Cyclops jerky

Roiling lunge

Athena's aid

Triple jab

Divine dash brilliant reposte

Black shawl

That's all

[slow ferry]

black shawl in last biome? brave

[odd shoal]

brave indeed

congrats though!

[grave cloak]

||now I'm gonna unlock aspect of guan yu||

[storm basin]

Which weapon and which perk should i update with my ancient bloods

I have 3

[odd shoal]

whichever one you like the most

[storm basin]

There's no perk that's clearly superior?

Cool

[void wyvern]

everything is viavle

[chrome gust]

There are some weapon aspects that are more favoured by speedrunners like the Eris rail but yeah, anything can work.

[odd shoal]

especially early on

[thick lance]

||shared suffering from aspect of rama also does extra damage when just used on a single foe?||

||So special first and then attack the same target will do extra damage to said target?||

[odd shoal]

spoiler tag ||rama and probably shared suffering too||

||you tag multiple foes then when you attack one of them the others also take damage||

[thick lance]

||Yes but what about single foe only? Does that do extra damage?||

[odd shoal]

I don't think so

[opal maple]

I once checked with Skelly in the courtyard, ||and I think I saw two numbers pop up over his head when I hit him with an attack while Shared Suffering was activated, so my guess is it does||

[thick lance]

Yes that is correct, there are two numbers but I am still not sure. It might just be displaying which damage other foes would receive if they are marked

[runic kite]

It does do the extra Damage, even to a single Opponent.

[hoary osprey]

I am not following anyone but new to everyone

[balmy pawn]

how does dashing work here?

does it give invincibility mid dash or or does it just move you out of the way?

[dusty vault]

I-frames during the dash unless you dash strike

[grave cloak]

I think you're invincible during the dash

[thick lance]

Thanks for the confirmation! : )

[humble herald]

This also means that if you hit two or more enemies while both are under shared suffering, they'll take even more damage than just the 60%. This probably sounds a bit weird, so here's an example:

https://youtu.be/SGVJGrjfBsM if you watch at 17:06 slowed down, and pause right at 17:07 when the shot is fired, you'll see 475 in white pop up on one enemy, and 285 in green on all the marked enemies including the one being hit. Right after that, as the arrow continues traveling through the group, those 285s change to 570s and 1140s. The ones that took 1140 took 60% of 475+950 (twin shot landed both hits on this enemy) + 475, or 1900*.60.

[sullen eagle]

||Should I exchange ambrosia for 500 darkness?||

Please help someone

||I just defeated bull+guy combo and got this reward||

IDK what to do with it

[faint umbra]

Ambrosia is for deepening your bonds with characters, it’s like super nectar

[sullen eagle]

Oh i see, we can gift it

[faint umbra]

You get less ambrosia than you do darkness all in all, so unless you have a surplus of ambrosia, that trade is not worth it

Darkness is unlimited - ambrosia is more limited

[grave storm]

If you're really early on in the game the extra 500 might get you a mirror upgrade that gets you a short term QoL (likes 3rd death defy)

[sullen eagle]

I only have one

[sullen eagle]

yeah

I wanted that

Honeslty i think death defiance is the most important perk of all

From what I have seen

[grave storm]

Ambrosia doesn't get useful until you have a high bond with someone, but is rarer in the long run

[sullen eagle]

What are the benefits of high bonding with a certain someone?

[grave storm]

Although in my experience you end up with lots of ambrosia at the end so

[sullen eagle]

I have gifted nectar to many peeps for their keepsakes

[grave storm]

You get a chibi when you look at their keepsake

[sullen eagle]

and what keepsake do you think is the best @grave storm ?

[sand river]

they tell you how important your friendship is to them :D

[sullen eagle]

hmm, then gameplay wise it isn't that important right?

[sand river]

not particularly D:

maxing them out doesn't do anything mechanically

[sullen eagle]

I see, thanks

gonna go for that 500 darkness lol

[grave storm]

the god keepsakes are good in the first 2 regions for setting up builds

for general survival, Cerb's collar (+HP is always good), Skelly's tooth (+1 nerfed death defy, useful early on but falls off later) and Eurydice's acorn (nullify damage for first 3/4/5 hits in boss fights)

find some time to level up Hypnos' purse too (cash money)

[noble mist]

uh it is kinda useful

you can get ||companions|| once you get a high friendship level with a few people, and they are very useful. ||~~basically super keepsakes? idk ~~ You can summon the aid of whoever gifted it too you, and they will usually do high amounts of damage||. Also to level them up you use nectar~ ambrosia. Starting out however, exchange it for titans blood or darkness.

[thick lance]

Thanks a lot for that!

[valid thicket]

how can I get more blood?

i killed the sisters a couple of times

and i didn't get any blood 😦

[slim wigeon]

oh the titans blood

[maiden ruin]

you can get blood every time you kill the sisters for the first time on each weapon

you can trade for it and complete prophecies for it too

[valid thicket]

oh

[maiden ruin]

and after you kill the final boss for the first time you can get more blood

[slim wigeon]

save up 15 keys and look for the limited deal from the wretched broker

[valid thicket]

i only know how to play with the shield

aaaaa

[slim wigeon]

i play with malphon and just got to ||hades|| for the first effing time in 80 damn attempts

[maiden ruin]

hide the name of the final boss

[valid thicket]

so its like limited the blood you can get with which weapon?

if i choose other uprade of the same weapon i get more blood?

[maiden ruin]

no

[valid thicket]

thxxx

[thick lance]

Lightning Rod only works when the cast is on the ground, right?

Not when it's stuck in an enemy

[odd shoal]

correct

[leaden whale]

Y’all I’m on my 39th run and I still haven’t gotten past THE FRICKEN HYDRA. I made it up there twice. I can’t tell if I’m actually trash or if I’m not using the right builds

[slow ferry]

Everyone goes at their own pace

What's your mirror like?

[leaden whale]

I can’t import a picture how do I show you

[slow ferry]

Send a link to the pic

Upload it somewhere else

[leaden whale]

Okay idk how to do that but what I was really looking for was builds to help me clear. 😭😭😭. I have aspect of Hera and chaos unlocked with one more titan blood

[wanton crest]

Spoiler tag || Hades ||

[slow ferry]

A build starts with a solid mirror

Do you have all death defiances yet

[grave cloak]

I just used god mode

[leaden whale]

Yes :))

[leaden whale]

Oh…i didn’t know that was one my b

[leaden whale]

LMAO

[slow ferry]

The general rule for builds is you put %increase damage on your slow attacks, and flat damage increase on your fast attacks

[leaden whale]

What

[slow ferry]

Some boons, like aphrodite's, add a percent increase of damage to your attacks

Other boons, like zeus's, add flat, nonscaling damage to your attack

[grave cloak]

I got heroic tempest flourish once

[leaden whale]

Gotcha

So a bow would like to use Aphro while something like the gauntlet would use Zeus

[grave cloak]

Yeah

[slow ferry]

Yep

But the bow special likes flat damage too

[leaden whale]

Okay so I have tried Hera with the Aphro Cast boon but that just isn’t doing it for me. Maybe a Sea storm ——- if I get another Titans blood?

[grave cloak]

Poseidon has best %dmg boons tho

[grave cloak]

Idk I got my first and only clear so far with varatha

[slow ferry]

No, aphro has best %dmg

[grave cloak]

||achilles||

[wanton crest]

Lol sorry but spoiler tag || Demeter ||

[slow ferry]

Wait, if you've never beaten hydra then you don't have access to ||demeter||

[leaden whale]

Aspect

[slow ferry]

Oh right lmao

[leaden whale]

Jesus what are considered spoilers here everyhting LMAO

[wanton crest]

Everything after the final boss

[slow ferry]

Anyway uh go for mirage shot hera

Artemis on attack

[grave cloak]

Everything

[odd shoal]

Everything that comes after reaching the final boss

[maiden ruin]

Poseidon has the lowest % buff, and they have horrible pom scaling

And they push enemies away which can be pretty bad for some weapons

[grave cloak]

Wiki says third

Aphrodite is better slightly

[gray haven]

Tempest Strike is the worst. Tempest Flourish is great, though, if the knockback doesn't have anti-synergy, anyway.

Heartbreak Strike and Flourish have the highest % damage.

Tempest Strike base % is so low that rarity and poms make practically no difference.

Deadly Strike has a low % number but with the crit chance it rivals Heartbreak Strike on average.

[grave cloak]

Tempest strike would be fun with shield tho

Super-knockback

[gray haven]

Yeah, it's actually pretty decent if you can get it going.

[round thistle]

what's the highest crit rate you can have?

on theory

[grave storm]

Hunter's mark + Deadly Strike + Zag bow? idk numbers from the top of my head

[odd shoal]

With a good enough hunters mark you could probably get at least really close to 100% against marked enemies

[round thistle]

hmmmmm

[leaden whale]

whats a good starting cast build i dont have aspect of hera yet so just looking for suggestions

[sand river]

if you have achilles on spear or poseidon on sword, those are both also good for cast

[leaden whale]

i have neither of those

just got nemesis tho bc it was one blood

[sand river]

i like hunting blades (artemis/ares duo), ares has a lot of fun buffs for his cast

[leaden whale]

alr

[sand river]

once you get poseidon sword you get to dislodge bloodstones from enemies which is awesome

[leaden whale]

what cast should i use when i get it

[sand river]

ppl usually go for crush, phalanx, or flood shot, i think

it's best with lodging casts so avoid things like crystal beam or slice shot

[leaden whale]

alr

[sand river]

& go for artemis' exit wounds so you get extra damage on the dislodge

[slim wigeon]

whats a good build for first run? ive met all the gods that give you boons and have thanatos's butterfly

[leaden whale]

depends on playstyle but my first clear was with the fists using ME (ares/athena duo)

[slim wigeon]

i'm trying to do that

[leaden whale]

just keep trying its pretty simple

[slim wigeon]

but for some reason RNG hates me

[leaden whale]

invest alot into mirror for the added duo boon chances

[sand river]

thanatos's butterfly is fun but unfortunately not worth it if you're just trying to get thru, the damage boost is nice but not as effective as other keepsakes. if you're just trying to get out successfully, boon/boon/acorn/acorn or tooth are popular keepsake patterns

[slim wigeon]

and i can never get the duo boon

[sand river]

do you have the gods' legacy mirror unlock?

[slim wigeon]

i have my mirror fully unlocked

and i have my first ambrosia

can i dm you what my mirror looks like

[sand river]

sure

if you want to post it here too you can't upload directly but could post a link to the image

[slim wigeon]

ok

one second, i have to commit unalive on myself as i forgot i quit in asphodel

[sand river]

[leaden whale]

no finish the run

[slim wigeon]

ok

[leaden whale]

until you die

[sand river]

give it ur best shot

[leaden whale]

atleast you’ll get the extra darkness and stuff

is it okay to use cast build on weapons you dont like

for me the shield is just 🤮

[round thistle]

shield is weird until it become a bow

[sand river]

each weapon has their strengths that you can play to but it's also fine to do whatever you want

i never play shield lol

[slim wigeon]

nice work you beat the game

[faint umbra]

Congrats! Please hide the ||final boss name|| in this channel though with a spoiler tag

[tacit sierra]

Oh shoot sorry 😅 just so excited

[slim wigeon]

believe me i was excited to when i beat || theseus and the minotaur||

[faint umbra]

don’t worry about it!

[slim wigeon]

is the stubborn roots duo boon worth it?

[odd shoal]

It’s very good

You can just play very safe to keep your health high

[leaden whale]

yes

even when your not playing safe its still pretty strong

[sand river]

stubborn roots rocks

[slim wigeon]

one thign they should have added to the description of it is it only regens when your in the middle of an encounter

[leaden whale]

it says in battle

thats basically the same thing

[slim wigeon]

didnt see that

[leaden whale]

plus it could make an insentive to try it out

[slim wigeon]

in styx, which is the best if not most useful keepsake to have on me? https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550106842588643373/866897775265185802/unknown.png?width=1289&height=676

[slow ferry]

If the styx boss is the one killing you, acorn is definitely strongest

Otherwise tooth or maybe collar?

[slim wigeon]

ok

[slim wigeon]

here's my mirror https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/550106842588643373/866905780649066526/unknown.png?width=974&height=676

[slim wigeon]

hey, can you help me with my mirror

[sand river]

upgrade gods' legacy if you want to get duos consistently, it's a big help

[leaden whale]

and deep pockets

[slim wigeon]

i have officially unlocked the first hidden aspect!

[leaden whale]

pog!

[knotty rune]

tbh id stongly rec cthonic healing over dark regeneration

styx has no darkness at all, or healing to buy unless you get very very lucky with a charon well halfway through

on the other hand

3 hp every room adds up a ton when styx has a ton of rooms that you clear all very quickly

so youre just losing so much healing, right before the final boss with that

i would only recommend it to people struggling to beat the elysium boss

healing in styx saves death defiances, which saves runs

[proven pivot]

I mean sure, but dark regeneration is better for the entire rest of the game. And if you're like me that matters much more overall

[knotty rune]

id say if you can beat the elysium boss 50% of the time or more

then its pretty much universally better to get 3 hp per room

until maybe you get into very high heat stuff

the rest of the game healing doesnt matter as much, because there are charon wells before and after each boss, in the middle of the floors, and heals to buy right before each boss

which are cheap, you can almost always buy them

[valid thicket]

I think I'll never beat ||hades||

[knotty rune]

styx is the 1 place where healing is rare

you will for sure

just upgrade the mirror more and keep trying tbh

[proven pivot]

You'd think that would work out like that, but yet it never seems to turn out like that for me

[valid thicket]

I always die in his second form

[proven pivot]

Advice: Centaur hearts. As many of them as possible.

[knotty rune]

||his 2nd form is pretty much the same as his first, but he shoots the sunlight beams so you have to hide behind the pillars when you see him rotate his trident ||

||destroy the orange skulls whenever he shoots them out, so you dont get hit with the big shockwave||

||the green pots you can smash then double dash away from and not take any damage||

[proven pivot]

In my experience the main thing determining if my run beats the final boss or not is how many of them I pick up. If I get to 200hp by the time I'm leaving asphodel it's a very good sign, and if I'm at 300 by the final boss I'm almost certain to win if I have even one death defiance left

IDK if that's the "Optimal" or "correct" way to build, but it works for me more often than not so shrug

[knotty rune]

yeah id stick with the ceberus keepsake

for now

[valid thicket]

I try to pick extra life as always that's is possible but i feel that I have a lack of damage in the end

[knotty rune]

maybe switch for tooth if you have 200 hp already

[valid thicket]

So idk

[proven pivot]

There is at least one boon that increases how much hp each heart gives you btw. Getting that early on would be amazing I assume

[knotty rune]

i generally want to have 130 hp going into the boss or more, with 3 revives

[proven pivot]

I wouldn't know, because I've never managed to get it early on, but I imagine it's great if you do

[knotty rune]

the dio one that increases your damage when you drink fountains too

that applies to the fountains after each floor

including the one in styx

[grave cloak]

Should I choose triple bomb or delta chamber?

Hammer at start

[proven pivot]

Yeah, I've long suspected that would be amazing if you got it right out the gate, since you're guaranteed a minimum of 4 activations of it iirc

[knotty rune]

if youre using the zag rail, and delta chamber increases ammo, id do that

[void wyvern]

What aspect

[grave cloak]

Eris

[knotty rune]

eris wants triple

since you use special a ton

and need more burst to take advantage of the bonus

[void wyvern]

Triple

[grave cloak]

Ok ty

[knotty rune]

delta chamber adds more consistency, but its not very bursty at all, plays more like the bow

its better with say

a dio hangover build

[proven pivot]

I really don't like the bow tbh

[knotty rune]

how come

[proven pivot]

Probably because usually I just spam dash and attack and that doesn't really work well with the bow dsflksdf

[knotty rune]

its a pretty hugely different style

hanging back, focusing on the timing of the charged attack

[proven pivot]

Yes, and it's a style I'm awful with

[knotty rune]

but because its so safe

its one of the most common weapons for first clears

i see

aspect of chiron youd like more for sure

once you get aspects

i didnt like the bow my first run with it, then i beat the final boss with my 2nd run, and realized how based it is

[proven pivot]

I have almost all of the aspects unlocked, I just haven't really used most of them because I've been on a very long quest to unlock all of the boons for the lists. Would have probably been half the time if I had remembered the mirror thing that increases chances for legendary and duo boons before I had only one left but still

[knotty rune]

nice

now im trying to clear a run with every weapon

only shield is left to get the titan blood

shield is the one that least fits my style i guess

really complicated fighting style

[valid thicket]

Idk how to use the bow

I only use the special attack

[proven pivot]

is it? I usually just spam attack and dash until I'm at a boss with ranged stuff and then I use the block until they stop and resume dash attack spam

[valid thicket]

Akdjjwjew

[proven pivot]

Oh mood

I've found oftentimes with bosses the best strategy with the bow is stand directly next to them and unload all of the special directly into them from point blank

[valid thicket]

That's how I clear my way to hades

[valid thicket]

Masterpiece

[leaden whale]

thats like using a sniper to noscope at point blank

[proven pivot]

Yes. But it's also REALLY effective against certain things. Such as some of the bosses

I've also found the special is just fast enough to be useable to delete projectile spam from sat, meg. Mostly just meg actually. Still helpful

[gray haven]

Dash-Strike Power Shots charge much faster. It's all about finding a rhythm with the bow.

Once you have the rhythm down, it's easier to focus on positioning.

[shrewd monolith]

How can I get the codex from Achilles? I didn't talk to him at the beginning of the game and now we're just chatting about stuff. I have like 40 escape attempts.

[faint umbra]

i think the solution is just keep talking to him, if youre winning a lot of runs or progressing a lot try losing some early perhaps and see what he has to say?

if that doesnt work try #h1-tech-support

[shrewd monolith]

thanks

[jovial notch]

no

Eris wants cluster bombs and rocket bomb a lot more than it wants triple

[merry finch]

that sounds wild i got the codex super quick

[faint umbra]

You get the codex from talking to achilles in the beginning of the game, so if you don’t talk to him then, other dialogue might take priority I guess

[slim wigeon]

how do i get nyx's companion?

i maxed out her nectars and im waiting to get her favor so that i can give her the ambrosia

[slow ferry]

you gotta give chaos more nectars to unlock that favor

and you also need admin chamber i think

[slim wigeon]

i got admin chamber

what is chaos's max nectar?

[slow ferry]

6 apparently

before the lock

[slim wigeon]

ok

[leaden whale]

okay so i wanna go for a cast build but 1) i dont have any good aspects for it and 2) generally dont know good casts can anyone give me tips? im prolly gonna use all weapons besides fists and gun

[gray haven]

What aspects do you have?

Actually.

All of the base Casts can lead into very powerful Cast builds.

So you can start with Cast you like. Check the codex for any powerful Duo Boons for that Cast to give you an idea for what to work towards.

If the Cast lodges into enemies, you'll generally want Infernal Soul. If the Cast doesn't lodge, Stygian Soul ends up being better most of the time, but you'll really want to find +1 ammo from Master Chaos and from Wells of Charon if you use Stygian Soul. Infernal Soul builds are less reliant on that.

Aside from the Duo Boons for your Cast, +1 ammo and Cast damage from Master Chaos and Wells of Charon always have huge value in Cast builds.

You usually want to get a lot of poms on your Cast, too.

Then... [spoiler if you haven't seen the final boss at least once yet] ||from Lady Demeter, you wanna get Snow Burst if you can (and Ravenous Will is also decent) because you'll be pressing that Cast button a lot, so you get a lot of value from that one||. Mirage Shot from from Lady Artemis and Poseidon also has great value in Cast builds. If you see one of them in Tartarus, it's often a good idea to take the other's keepsake in Asphodel to try to get their Duo Boon.

If your Cast lodges, Quick Reload from Lord Hermes is amazing for bosses but tends to matter a lot less in normal encounters. But just the value you get from it in boss fights pretty much always makes it my #1 pick from him even in speedruns.

Flurry Cast, also from Lord Hermes, sounds great but ends up not actually mattering very much at all in my experience unless it's Epic.

[leaden whale]

mhm

are ||crystal beams|| or festive fog good? they seem like a cast i wanna use

[gray haven]

Since you usually want specific Duo Boons, Refreshing Nectar is typically the go-to pick from Eurydice here. But if you have what you want already in terms of Duo Boons, you probably want the Pom Porridge.

Yeah. ||For the first one, you'll most importantly want to get Glacial Glare (from Lady Demeter) and Crystal Clarity (from Lady Demeter and Lady Artemis)||.

[leaden whale]

so the artemis and ||demeter|| duo?

[gray haven]

Right.

[leaden whale]

ill probably wait a short while to do this because i need the duo boon chance mirror upgrade

[gray haven]

For Trippy Shot, you want to put a ton of poms into that because the base damage is ridiculous and scales ridiculously well with poms. You'll also want to find more ammo above anything else. Boons you want to look for are Scintillating Feast, ||Ice Wine||, Black Out, and possibly Mirage Shot. And of course, ||Snow Burst and Ravenous Will are always good||.

[leaden whale]

just to answer this question i have chaos, nemesis, eris, demeter, and talos

[gray haven]

Talos can do Attack/Cast hybrid builds decently well.

[leaden whale]

since i recently got my first clear im working on more blood

oo sounds interesting

[gray haven]

I think Drunken Strike + Trippy Shot could be really good on that. Easy access to Black Out very quickly.

[leaden whale]

wait whats black out again

[gray haven]

That's his legendary.

[leaden whale]

ohh

[gray haven]

You need Trippy Shot and something that applies Hangover.

[leaden whale]

ive never gotten a legendary boon before so this is kinda cool

[gray haven]

You could also do Trippy Shot + Drunken Dash if he ends up not offering Drunken Strike, and take maybe Lightning Strike on Attack if you see it to unlock their Duo Boon for your Cast.

[leaden whale]

lemme pray to lady aphrodite rq and then ill get offered drunken strike

[gray haven]

You probably wanna start Trippy Shot over Drunken Strike.

So you can start putting poms on it right from the start of your run.

We were doing these kinds of builds in Early Access well before Gods' Legacy and Dark Foresight were a thing. So, you don't need necessarily need those talents to make Cast builds work. I did a bunch of Cast builds yesterday with Gods' Pride instead of Legacy and still got the Duo Boons I wanted.

[leaden whale]

wait do aspects effect ||heat|| like if i use a different aspect will it reset the required ||heat||

[gray haven]

No, just weapons.

[leaden whale]

i got zeus as my second boon so right now im running trippy shot with lightning strike

[gray haven]

Nice!

[leaden whale]

bro- my dude ||charon|| said no money for you

and ofc it was with 1 ||heat|| 😭

i should probably move to #h1-discussion since ive already gotten my first clear

[gray haven]

You don't have to since it can still be spoilery, there. Just probably wanna avoid mentioning ||Heat|| here.

[noble mist]

tbh id probably stay here for a bit more ||till you get too credits|| after that there isnt much spoilers

[knotty rune]

favor and pride over foresight and legacy?

[sacred kiln]

Finally beat ||hades|| for the 1st time

[proven pivot]

Woo!

[sacred kiln]

[dusty vault]

remember to spoiler mark the name of the final boss

[knotty rune]

😔 the worst kept secret of all time

[dusty vault]

foresight is better than favor (more boons>>>slighty rarer boon)
legacy and pride depends on the build ig (if you need legendaries/duos go for legacy if you dont really need them go for pride)

[void wyvern]

spoiler mark the final boss thanks

[knotty rune]

hm

what does foresight do

minimize account rewards and max run ones

[sacred kiln]

[knotty rune]

i still need darkness

but gems and keys im pretty much done with

[dusty vault]

you also get darkness from beating bosses after getting the bounties from each one
but if you need more darkness for run just dont use foresight for now ig

[knotty rune]

is there an average boons per run with or without it

[slim wigeon]

am i on ly able to give 1 nectar per run?

[limber palm]

To an individual, yes

To multiple individuals, no

[slim wigeon]

i wanted to give chaos 2 nectars i gotten

[half dust]

what aspects should i get first?

i have 6 bloods

[round thistle]

to a weapon u like

and play often

it depends on your playstyle

i spent all mine on the bow

[half dust]

chiron or hera for the bow?

[round thistle]

again depends...

[slow ferry]

They're both nice to have on the bow

[round thistle]

hera just racks up damage

and chiron wel... u dont have to stand up close and personal o deal full damage

[grave storm]

got a 79% Hunter's Mark just now so yeah. Definitely can reach >100% crit.

[round thistle]

damn

hunter's mark never show up on my bow runs so idk

[slim wigeon]

should i just commit unalive? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550106842588643373/867252211385106462/unknown.png i dont have the health regen boon and im only at 123 health

[void wyvern]

you can do it

lmao

[slow ferry]

You can still get stubborn roots

[slim wigeon]

no i cant

that was the demeter room

[void wyvern]

shouldve gotten that then, do you have any gods at charons place

maybe you can buy a centaur heart there

[slim wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550106842588643373/867253383618625576/unknown.png

i have a miniboss path for a centaur heart

[grave storm]

I'd say just go for the final fight, to get used to it

[gray haven]

You'll need to delete the last / for that link to work.

Extra tunnels are usually not worth the risk if you want to win the run unless your build is really good for Styx.

[slim wigeon]

well i already died on the run anyways

[gray haven]

Best to decide for yourself based on how you were doing in the other tunnels.

Yeah, just for next time.

[slim wigeon]

am i able to give chaos a nectar everytime i go into a gate?

[gray haven]

Should be able to, yeah.

[slim wigeon]

ok

whats a good build for shield or fists

[knotty rune]

for shield you either want the hammer charged shot, and play it like bow basically, or the double attack one

unless youre using chaos or zeuss, its all about the normal attacks

so you want a % increase attack boon like athena, aphro, or artemis right away

pretty much just

stack attack with damage increases (not damage over time, avoid dio or ares or zeus at first probably)

and then look for a hammer that synergize with attack or bullrush or something, which most do

fists you pretty much want aspect of demeter

for your normal attack you want damage over time like zeus chain lighting or dio hangover, and then you want a big % buff for the special uppercut, maybe even with arty crits

explosive upper is the hammer you want i suppose

in general hammers that effect your upper, not your normals

also the dash matters alot more for fists than other weapons, since you spend so much time up close

so like poseidon or zeus dash

some kind of secondary damage that hits enemies when you dance around them

rather than the utility / defensive dashes of like aphro or athena

[fierce pewter]

Guys its been more than 20 games but I see the minotaur far too rare and he never talks about the fists again and therefore I can't unlock the aspect of beowulf, is there something I'm missing?

[grave cloak]

Minotaur is for ||aspect of Gilgamesh||

For ||Beowulf|| you need to talk with Chaos

[knotty rune]

you also need to have the spear aspect revealed, and spend 5 titan blood upgrading fists

just talking to him isnt enough

also i guess, take every skull room in elysium you find

he shouldnt be that rare if you do

[fierce pewter]

Sorry, I meant Gilgamesh, all I said above for Gilgamesh

I already have the spear revelaled, I revealed them till the bow, that's why I said fists

I already revealed beowulf, I revealed the bow but I can't get the fists to be revealed

[fierce pewter]

what skull room

[knotty rune]

just doors with the skull icon

he only shows up in them

if you dont take them, you cant see him

[grave cloak]

Skull icon and small red arrow icon next to the skull

[storm basin]

I don't understand the heat and bounty system

[dusty vault]

Spoiler mark ||heat|| but is basically
Beat each bosses once and then you can add ||1 heat, so their bounties reset (the 2 titan blood, diamond and ambrosia), after you beat it in 1 heat, you need to play with 2 heat and so on||

||also if you add like 3 heat but your weapon just completed 1 heat, playing with 3 heat or more will complete the rewards for 2 heat||

[slim wigeon]

the fists ive been using have been talos

[ocean basalt]

Quietly loving the fact that the healing items in this game are just a jumbo gyro and fries.

There's a food truck near the onramp to I-405 here called Super Gyros and I feel like Zag would be all about it.

[slim wigeon]

i think so too

[round thistle]

[grave storm]

now I want gyros....

[storm basin]

thanks

[short tartan]

I saw I-405 and super Gyros… you know what’s up.

[ocean basalt]

awww man, is there another Kirkland SGG fan in here? 😁

[short tartan]

SGG fans are all over the PNW

[ocean basalt]

as we should be! 😤

I'm really hoping for a SGG cosplay photoshoot at ECCC this winter if the convention is finally able to go ahead safely, I only got to wear Jodariel once before lockdown happened

[sweet marsh]

does nyx's black shawl still apply to enemies that are full hp but lost their first layer of damage control

[gray haven]

Yeah.

@sweet marsh but ||Damage Control|| is a spoiler, though. Please use spoiler tags.

[sweet marsh]

oh ok thons

[slim wigeon]

so one thing i saw for health regen was flurry slash and cursed slash and i wondered if it could get better with stubborn roots?

[opal maple]

In the sense that it's yet another source of health regen that you can stack on top of that, yes

But since both would be doing the same thing, I could also understand people if they were to say that having both is redundant

[slim wigeon]

roots regens if you have no dds and the flurry/cursed slash regens every attack hit

so i dont see how it could be redundant

[slim wigeon]

FIANALLY!

i have the merciful end build

[leaden whale]

I’m in seattle as well and looking forward to ECCC in December. Should be good to see everyone again.

[slim wigeon]

whats a good build that uses the aspect of talos?

[slow ferry]

Pulling an enemy counts as them moving, so they take big damage from rupture

So, build towards rupture, I guess

And then pick a poseidon duo you like I dunno

[slim wigeon]

so i found a good hammer/boon combo

[ocean basalt]

If I hold on to a god's keepsake, will it guarantee me a visit from them in each area, or just the first one I hold it in?

[noble mist]

just the first one

[ocean basalt]

Ah well.

[noble mist]

if you look at the keepsake on the left, you can see its charge

[ocean basalt]

I've noticed they usually keep showing up once I have a boon from them, but not always?

[noble mist]

it doesent get used up until you enter a room with that particular god

[noble mist]

thats just luck

[ocean basalt]

I've taken an Ares boon in the first chamber, then not seen him again for the rest of the run

[noble mist]

thats just not being lucky

that happens to me a lot

[slow ferry]

When you don't see ares for the rest of the run, it might be because you're skipping other gods?

If you have less than 4 gods in your boons (besides hermes and chaos) then you have a 1/8 chance of seeing ares boon instead of another god. But once you have 4 gods, you have a 1/4 chance of seeing him instead of another god!

[ocean basalt]

Huh! I don't usually skip boons when they're offered, but I could try and make a point of accumulating four! Thanks for the tip.

[grave storm]

wait I've Never thought of it that way

that was enlightening thank you

[slim wigeon]

a boon/hammer combo i found thats powerful is quake cutter and artemis's special

how does dionysus's boon afterparty work?

[noble mist]

whenever you clear a room that has enemies if you are below the threshold you are restored to it, otherwise your health stays the same

[slim wigeon]

what exactly is the threshhold

[noble mist]

depends on what rarity you get

its a % of your max life

so if you have an epic rarity one (45%)

wiht 100 health

and your below 45 health when you clear a room with enemies in it

you go back up to 45 health

[storm basin]

Hermes boon doesn't specify how quickly you have to clear a chamber?

Not boon sorry

Keepsake

[noble mist]

nope

its just "fast"

[maiden ruin]

There's a circle timer below the keepsake

[noble mist]

it doesent display actual time tho

[maiden ruin]

Yeah it's just a circle

[storm basin]

And is there any way to see my current dodge percentage due to that keepsake?

[maiden ruin]

Hit the boon inspection button and click on the keepsake

[storm basin]

I see. Thanks

[maiden ruin]

Np

[manic ibex]

When using stubborn defiance are Athenas Deathless stand and last stand pretty much useless?

[leaden whale]

Yea

Pretty much lmao

[slow ferry]

If you lose your stubborn defiance and then get one of those boons in the same room, you can keep the death defiance from athena and you get a new stubborn defiance

So it's really nice if you set it up

[manic ibex]

But that’s pretty much impossible right? Unless an infernal trove in in the room I guess?

[slow ferry]

Just make sure to lose a stubborn defiance whenever you're about to get an athena boon, just in case

[void wyvern]

you die on purpose to an enemy, or use traps before taking the athena boon

[manic ibex]

Ah I see, I think. So for the rest of your run you would have two stubborn defiance’s?

[maiden ruin]

You would have 1 dd and 1 sd

[manic ibex]

Yeah the one wouldn’t come back, makes sense.

[wide swan]

Hardstuck at Theseus

[round thistle]

kill minotaur first

then deal with theseus

[wide swan]

Yup, trying to do that lol

[spiral pecan]

Once you get it, you wont die theee again

There

[bright mauve]

Keep an eye on theseus's spear at all times when hes throwing it at you. It can ruin ur whole battle

[wide swan]

Yeah I'm figuring it out slowly. Hide behind the pillars where you can fight Mino safely

[round thistle]

outrun him

hehe

[spiral pecan]

^evil

[round thistle]

actually, you can dash back and forth thruu him to deal damamge

if you have dash boons

[wide swan]

^yeah I figured

[slow ferry]

The spear throw timing is very consistent, just a matter of learning

[bright mauve]

Also his cursor thingy turns bright pink when he's about to throw

[slim wigeon]

im hating my rng rn, i havent gotten either of the prompts needed to get meg or nyx's heart to unlock so i can give them an ambrosia

[slow ferry]

Sometimes that's how it is

If you get as many balls rolling as possible, you'll keep having interesting things happen

[round thistle]

wait, so thats what ambrosias are for?

haizzzz

[valid thicket]

hey good night

should i focus on family favorite or privileged status?

[void wyvern]

family favorite is more consistent, but if youre going for a status build priviliged is good as well

40% idmg increase is good

[round thistle]

can damage increase items stack?

[bright mauve]

Yeah I'm pretty sure

[gray haven]

You can get that with Family Favorite.

[void wyvern]

true

eh

[honest hare]

Is the Aspect of ||Guan Yu|| worth getting for Varatha or no?

... or should I ask this in another channel I realize.

[inland talon]

Yes

[honest hare]

Even with the -70% to health?

[sand river]

i think you need to unlock the spear in order to get access to the other hidden aspects too? (ppl prefer that the hidden aspect names are ||spoiled|| btw)

[inland talon]

|| it unlocks all the other hidden aspects and you get a prophecy related to it ||

[honest hare]

Sorry!

[dusty vault]

you need to reveal it, but not unlock it

[honest hare]

... so I shouldn't have gotten it.

Because it was revealed, just not unlocked.

Well fudge.

Or is it okay to get, because I started a run with the Hidden Spear and um...
not liking how small that HP number is

[sand river]

gotcha, thank u

the hidden spear is hard yeah lol for the most part the other hidden aspects are easier to get the hang of imo

when i got it i just did the prophecy and then stopped playing it until i could afford to upgrade it

[slow ferry]

You CAN win with it

But if it's not working for ya at level 1, then don't worry it'll get easier once you have more blood

Uh what I've noticed with hidden spear is that it's more difficult in the first two biomes but by the end of it I feel stronger than with any other spear

[honest hare]

Okay, noted! Thanks!

[gray haven]

It's very much a git-gud aspect.

[bright mauve]

I personally have so much fun with this weapon, despite it being my worst. Its hard to use in my experience but the play style is great

[wide swan]

Beat Theseus twice in a row. Baby steps. Lol

[sand river]

good work!

[leaden whale]

since im trying to max out all the aspects, should i just keep using different ||heat|| levels and beat meg each time

[grave storm]

||The blood reward for beating her gets replaced with darkness if you haven't fully cleared a run with that weapon so you can only get 6 bloods that way||

no clue how spoilery is that so just blocked the whole thing lol

[leaden whale]

i probably should just do the same with mine

also ive gotten a clear before

twice, actually

[grave storm]

the extra darkness can come in handy sometimes, like getting the next death defy

up to you, ultimately

[leaden whale]

alr

ive gotten the death defiances i need like the duo boon chances and the flipsides

things that are on the lower end of the mirror

[craggy sundial]

12 bloods in total actually using just the base weapons

[grave storm]

OP was referring to only beating Meg

[craggy sundial]

Ah

misunderstood then

[mighty pelican]

What's a really good ||companion|| I can get? I already have ||meg's bat|| and am on my way to get ||skelly's one|| who should i go for next?

[maiden ruin]

achilles' companion is good

[sudden steppe]

Sisyphus too

[mighty pelican]

is that the ||ant||?

[maiden ruin]

yeah

[mighty pelican]

is skellys good?

[mighty pelican]

ok

[maiden ruin]

not really

[sudden steppe]

Decent but not that great

[mighty pelican]

should I go for|| Sisyphus|| or ||Achilles|| next?

[maiden ruin]

achilles imo

[sudden steppe]

Yeah, Achilles might be better for actual power

[mighty pelican]

im closer to getting that than ||sisyphus||

is ||meg's|| good?

its the one im using

[sudden steppe]

Meg’s the best

In general

[mighty pelican]

ok thanks

is there any more ||companions|| or is that it?

[maiden ruin]

than has a companion

[sudden steppe]

There’s ||6|| overall

The big keepsakes at the bottom of the list in the courtyard

[mighty pelican]

is ||thans|| good?

[maiden ruin]

its good but there is a long delay

[mighty pelican]

how bout ||dusa||?

[maiden ruin]

its ok

[mighty pelican]

ok, so I'll go for ||Achilles|| next then ||Sisyphus||, thanks for all the help.

[ripe orchid]

Wassup yall, new to Hades, and I just wanna say Im blown away. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY I WAITED TO LONG TO PLAY THIS BEAUTIFUL GAME. Glad to be apart of the discord!

[sudden steppe]

Welcome!

[scenic kayak]

Hey guys! I have 25~ escape attempts and I'm loving the game but it's my first playthough and I enabled Hell Mode....

I am having a real hard time to go past Elysium... and every FAQ I read mention that people should be dodge-rolling often to use the i-frame and avoid damage, but that's impossible on Hell Mode

Should I reset back to 0 escape attempts and try without Hell Mode? 😦 Does the fact that I don't have an i-frame when dodging really be an impediment to enjoy the game to its fullest?

Thank you!

[slow ferry]

oh I think you misunderstand what hell mode changes

there are very few i-frames in hades generally

but if you dash without attacking during the dash you can't be damaged

[grave storm]

yeah the dash i-frames are still there in Hell mode

the one that hell mode disables is a shield that pops up if you take a large amount of damage in a short time

[scenic kayak]

oh!! so it doesn't affect anything about the dash mechanics?

[grave storm]

no

[scenic kayak]

that's great! I was worried I wasn't playing the "full experience".

😓

Does playing on Hell Mode gives me more Bounties down the road, compared to a non-Hell Mode save file?

[grave storm]

no it's the same amount of bounties

[scenic kayak]

apparently I only get bounties for the first time I beat a boss, right?

[grave storm]

for the time being, yes

after you get your first full clear, the game will tell you how to get more of them

it's the first time you beat a boss with each weapon

[scenic kayak]

I see! So even without Hell Mode I would be earning bounties before clearing the game?

whenever a boss is defeated

[grave storm]

yeah

[scenic kayak]

So the 5 ||heat|| literally does nothing good for now?

[slow ferry]

no, it's a disadvantage, because youre on hell mode

makes game harder

[grave storm]

it makes the game harder which is what you signed up for (also ||heat|| is a spoiler here due to it only unlocking after the first full clear in normal mode)

[scenic kayak]

yeah, I just thought that by having 5 ||heat|| (instead of 0) would make I gain something else....

so ||heat|| does nothing before the first full clear, even in Hell Mode, is that correct?

[grave storm]

increasing it does nothing with regards to rewards, yes

[scenic kayak]

Last question, please: So ||heat|| only enables ||Infernal Gate|| to be accessed, and only after the first clear, is that so?

[grave storm]

wait you can already purchase that?

[scenic kayak]

nope, I read on wiki 😅

I don't care much about spoilers, I'm trying to really understand the game so I'm checking everything

Any particular opinion about if a newcomer should play on Hell Mode in their first save file or not?

[grave storm]

so the bounty system works like this: the first time you beat a boss with a weapon, you get a bounty. Any subsequent win over the same boss with the same weapon will give you darkness instead. To get more bounties for that weapon, you need to do a full clear, then ||increase the heat||. Then the bounties will reset.

it'll be much clearer once you get your first clear (hah)

so ||heat give you 2 things: more bounties, and Infernal Gate access||

[scenic kayak]

||"then increase the heat"

... even if it's just by 1? So for instance, if on Hell Mode I'm beating a boss with 5 heat, it means that on Normal mode, if I defeat that boss 5 times on each heat level (1 heat, 2 heat, 3 heat, etc), I would get 5 bounties?||

looks like the game is really punishing me for playing on Hell Mode 😅

[grave storm]

yes, but ||in normal mode, you stop geting bounties past 20 heat, while in hell mode the cap is 25||

so the total rewards is the same

[bright mauve]

||why does it cap out at 20? The heat guage goes all the way to 51 (52?)||

[inland talon]

|| after a certain point, you’ve upgraded everything, so more bounties would be useless I guess ||

[wild cloud]

||Keep in mind you get 1 Set of Bounties per heat, per weapon. So in total you have 21 (0-20 heat) * 6 (weapons) = 126 Sets of Bounties||

I believe that alone is enough for everything that the ||Bounties|| are used for, even ignoring the other ways to get those.

[craggy sundial]

It literally makes getting bounties way harder

Because you get +1 new bounty for ||every heat|| up until 20

[maiden ruin]

||for hell mode you can earn bounties until 25 heat||

[craggy sundial]

yeah so its harder

[gray haven]

Hell mode was designed to provide a greater challenge especially early on, so if that's what you're looking for, then yeah, do Hell mode.

[craggy sundial]

Absolutely not if its your first file

Youll have a terrible time

constantly dying

[gray haven]

I mean that depends a lot on the player.

[bright mauve]

I haven't tried hell mode but I'm feeling pretty confident and am thinking about starting a file for that

[narrow rapids]

Man, elysium sucks

Those butterflies

The guys who regenerate

The chariots

Died to the butterfly mini boss pepehands

That's the first time I beat the hydra and didn't get to theseus 😔

[chilly briar]

all of these are fine

the only thing i really hate

is the shield guys

[slow ferry]

but they do that attack where they stick their shield in the ground and stand around pointlessly

and then you hit them in the back a lot

butterfly balls don't HAVE a back :(

[bright mauve]

||Chariots with the speed buff are a nightmare too||

[storm basin]

The only thing i don't like in this game is the poison at styx

[bright mauve]

That stuff is so annoying I swear

[gray haven]

That's spoilers here.

[chilly briar]

[bright mauve]

Sorryy

[noble mist]

||the worst thing is teleporting super speed chariots||

[wild cloud]

||Aaaand that’s why you don’t go with BP2 until you’re forced into it.||

[valid thicket]

i was supposed to defeat ||charon||?

[slow ferry]

Yeah its definitely a winnable fight

[valid thicket]

i couldn't deal any damage to him lol

[round thistle]

those butterflies dies to your attack and special

[round thistle]

run thruu them with any dash boons

[round thistle]

really annoy me when i cannot just broke their shield

they even block a freeaking missile

[slow ferry]

Get piercing hammers

[leaden whale]

how do i setup hunting blades achilles?

do i get aries or artemis first

[noble mist]

probably ares because you want to get his cast first

[odd shoal]

I would go Arty to get the attack

Ares cast isn’t helpful unless you have the duo

[thick lance]

||To get the 4th aspect of a weapon, I just need 5 total upgrades on any other of the aspects, right?||

[void wyvern]

||if you want to unlock guan yu which is needed to get the other hiden aspects you need to get 5 different non-zagreus aspects, after you unlock guan yu, you invest 5 titanbloods for a weapon to unlock the hidden aspect||

[inland talon]

In the hades-story-discussion there’s a pin on || how to get all the hidden aspects ||

[thick lance]

Okay that's all the information I need then, thanks! : )

[sacred kiln]

||starting to like the gauntlet weapon thingy||

[limber palm]

Malphon is a beginner-friendly weapon
I quite like it

[sand river]

malphon is a lot of fun

pow pow pow pow

[limber palm]

I like all of its different aspects too
Except one

[knotty rune]

isnt it like the least beginner friendly

😔

point blank range, no aoe

shield is going to be the hardest to get good dps, and has the most complex moveset

but fists are probably the number 1 weapon where you take hits

id rank them like spear > bow > rail > sword > fists > shield in terms of ease

[leaden whale]

i find fists easy dps

ig depends on build

[round thistle]

how do you play spear? i don't really get it

[sand river]

bow and fists are the easiest for me which is a lil funny cuz they are kinda opposites. i think beginner-friendly is rly just a matter of play style tbh

[leaden whale]

fr

its like smash bros there isnt a “best character” it just depends on playstyle

[round thistle]

yeah figured

[leaden whale]

spear is kinda ehh for me

[slow ferry]

Spear has more range than you think, that's mostly the trick

And the dash strikes have even more range than that

If being close to enemies with fists is too scary for you, spear is the weapon for you

[leaden whale]

idk why i found just dashing and attacking fun with fists

throw on ares and athena and mabye get ME and your set

[grave storm]

unless it's Achilles spear

[leaden whale]

yeah but i dont think they have aspects

[grave storm]

ah

[leaden whale]

also is it more worth to upgrade one aspect or just unlock them all and upgrade ur favs

[sand river]

spear doesnt let you like, dash and then strike in the direction you were coming from, does it? you just dash-strike in the direction of your dash?

unlock them all and find out which you like before you max any imo

you can do it either way and be fine & if you like one a lot then it's also worthwhile to upgrade that one even if u don't have everything else yet

[round thistle]

just snipe enemy afar with bow

easier

you can even stand in one place for the entire encounter

[sand river]

you should still b dash-striking with bow

[round thistle]

i did

i always dash right after shooting

[sand river]

in 1 place?

[leaden whale]

okay i just unlocked achilles spear (did it already it just didnt save) and uhh hera bow

[sand river]

hera bow good

[leaden whale]

it sounded good

whats a good cast for it

flood shot?

[sand river]

flood shot is fine, crush shot is good too

[leaden whale]

mabye i could go for mirage shot

[sand river]

mirage shot very good

[leaden whale]

:O you can load 3 casts at once

thats pog

[grave storm]

yes

nukey nukey

[leaden whale]

i already love hera bow

[sand river]

i think ppl prefer to keep the names of the hidden aspects in ||spoilers|| for this channel! best for what tho?

[leaden whale]

aspect of the hidden aspect

[valid thicket]

idk, i'm just asking bc i only play with the shield and spear but i started to use the bow and i kinda liked it