Oh whoops.
#h1-for-new-players
honest hare
umbral crater
And i fired all my casts on them but couldnt collect them
Kind of bs imo
That the only way you can do that is by taking damage
gray haven
I dunno it's one of those things that's a lot easier to show if you could hand me the controller in that situation. I don't really think about stuff like that anymore.
umbral crater
Yeah i ended up just dashing in, hitting them and at the same time collecting my casts, died bc i had no hp and chaos curse, and then dashed away
And then killed them with casts
But like i shouldnt have to spend a revival on this
gray haven
And if you move between the magma and the Witch in the first place, it's gonna stay above solid ground.
I don't think you had to.
gray haven
You can link it from imgur or something.
umbral crater
Are there pics of all the rooms somewhere?
void wyvern
I think its the apshodel miniboss with 5 witches
umbral crater
And ye hypersick i ended up dash striking the witch is what i did
But i took one tick of damage and died to it
heady comet
Id honestly say mistake #1 is taking trap curse in asphodel
umbral crater
From thee lava
I mean
I didnt take it in asphodel xD
Second room in asphodel and last room that curse was effective for
gray carbon
I forgot what is the bonus on zag bow
umbral crater
And like i dont usually have super big issues with lava so i was fine with it carrying over a few rooms
gray haven
It shouldn't just stay over magma in the first place if you aggro it and move out of its attack range, since enemies want to get into attack range. 
Your Cast is a ranged weapon, anyway.
grave storm
I forgot what is the bonus on zag bow
+crit
void wyvern
I forgot what is the bonus on zag bow
15% crit max level
umbral crater
And i couldnt move out of its attack range
The lava pit is in the middle of the room and its a witch
So it just sat there xd
slow ferry
The cast eventually comes back if you wait a while
void wyvern
Or you can come and get them manually when they go off from.enemies
void wyvern
Or if you're using stygian, itll comeback after a few seconds
umbral crater
Yeah i dont have that xD
slow ferry
Yes, casts float back to you, in like a minute
gray haven
Losing a DD isn't the end of the world, anyway.
slow ferry
A little circle appears around the cast that shows how long it will take
gray haven
I'd probably just have done that to get it over with quickly and moved on.
umbral crater
Its just annoying when it happens to something so dumb
And i didnt know if theres another way to deal with them
void wyvern
It happens
umbral crater
So i asked xD
void wyvern
Dont be too hard on urself if u loose dd for a stupid reason
umbral crater
Yeah the main reason i asked is bc i didnt know if theres another way to deal with them
And ig there is, just triple cast then wait till they come back
gray carbon
Hey is the legendary aspect of the blade worth getting?
I want to know before i use all that blood
tawny nacelle
Hey is the legendary aspect of the blade worth getting?
yeah, I think so
gray carbon
Hmm ok
gray haven
Hidden sword is very good.
slow ferry
That one's my favorite sword
gray haven
"Legendary" is actually the highest tier of any aspect, when it's Lv.5, rather than the hidden aspects.
gray carbon
Ok
frail roost
@rustic heron are you new to hades
frail roost
please go to #h1-for-new-players
sand river
that's this channel
rustic heron
hmmm
frail roost
i am simply trying to be helpful
rustic heron
thanks a lot
frail roost
you are so very welcome
rustic heron
sus?
frail roost
SUS?
frail roost
i have yet to know the pleasure of escaping Hell
rustic heron
I have not
gray haven
There is no escape.
rustic heron
ebon spruce
The Minotaur and Theseus always end up cutting my run short
maiden ruin
Just stop dying
tired carbon
they do that to me too
i think you need to dodge the man's spears shots and the bull's charges
ebon spruce
Just stop dying
Oh my god! I didn't think about that!
maiden ruin
radiant arch
The Minotaur and Theseus always end up cutting my run short
Focus the Minotaur
Then you can beat Theseus
gray haven
Tbh I think the most important things for that fight are to focus on your build and get more damage, and get a good amount of HP before entering the fight. The less damage you take during your run up to that, the less you need to spend on healing, so you'll have more money for boons, poms, and Centaur Hearts.
umbral crater
How are you supposed to avoid ||boiling blood against hades when melee? I cant seem to avoid it and the attacks deal SO MUCH damage after that||
gray haven
Try to favor buying Centaur Hearts instead of food when you need healing because they also raise your max HP.
umbral crater
Yeah wtf
gray haven
How are you supposed to avoid ||boiling blood against hades when melee? I cant s...
Empty-dash towards or perpendicular to it, don't dash away or it'll just hit you when you recover from your dash.
umbral crater
No i mean like
How do you know when its coming at all
Bc it hits instantly when in melee range
You cant see the projectile before it hits
Which means i end up always hitting it
gray haven
||He points his bident at you.||
umbral crater
Ah
leaden whale
hades is the first rogue like i loved
I never liked this kind of game
I always found it extremely repetitive and too irritating
but hades is just perfect
umbral crater
Hades is one of the only ones ive played, i dont typically enjoy them at all
I still have my issues with some of the elements in the game but its decent
umbral crater
My main issue is that theres a combo of you not being able to practice the bossfights, you not being able to know what some of their attacks/moves do before you encounter them and it taking like 15+ minutes to reach said bossfight again
gray haven
@umbral crater I recommend that you spend some time just focusing on dodging ||during the first 30% of his HP. When you strafe him/run perpendicular to his line of sight, his spear thrust can never hit you, so that way, you only gotta deal with the skulls and the spins. First 30%, his moveset is very simple. So you can get used to that, and then find your spots to safely attack him before backing off again.||
umbral crater
So like the first time i encountered ||hades i didnt know what the circles did, or that they could do damage multiple times, so i literally took 120 damage and died from a single one of those circles in less than 2 seconds bc i for some reason kept running in the direction of the circle||
gray haven
15+ minutes is very little compared to other roguelikes that have 1h+ gameplay loops.
Or even multiple hours.
umbral crater
Yeah which is the main reason ive HATED a lot of them xD
frail roost
uwu
leaden whale
I hated dead cells for example
gray haven
Same tbh.
leaden whale
I have never seen anything so repetitive and boring in my life
gray haven
Not hate but it puts me off.
umbral crater
Also this is more a personal issue with the combat system but i cant seem to get a hold of any melee builds, i always end up taking a ton of damage
But thats 100% on me
Not the game design
umbral crater
But ye the main issue i have with hades is the long time it takes to reach a boss, the inability to practice it outside of that and the difficulty of them
frail roost
OH
gray haven
Gotta use empty dashes wisely and not overextend with Dash-Strikes.
leaden whale
HADES IS PERFECT
frail roost
unreacted
leaden whale
now yes!!!
umbral crater
Oh yeah and sometimes the luck just kind of giving you a finger is kinda super annoying
gray haven
Hmmm.
grave storm
I felt the same way about no practice
gray haven
Not to be mean, but you're not losing because of luck.
umbral crater
Oh yeah ik
frail roost
i agree, my feelings are about the same too
rustic heron
me as well
leaden whale
I feel that only the bow does damage
grave storm
at least the run-up is sufficiently short
umbral crater
Im 100% aware, but sometimes it feels very much like im losing mostly because of luck
grave storm
And also every run you're "practicing" the generic enemies
umbral crater
Like ive had runs where ive gotten a total of 2 boons before bone hydra, one of them guaranteed from my keepsake
Which is kind of really awful
grave storm
so you get to a point where the normal rooms don't hurt you much
leaden whale
the other weapons punish me too much for being close to the enemy and don't compensate me with damage like the bow
grave storm
And can just sponge the bosses
gray haven
All of the weapons can do a lot of damage. Which is why I said earlier to focus on finding stronger builds for the weapons.
frail roost
All of the weapons can do a lot of damage. Which is why I said earlier to focus ...
i'll be sure to take your advice, thank you very much
gray haven
The build guide in the pins should give you good starting points.
You'll at least know you're headed in the right direction.
leaden whale
I use bow with Athena's blessing, does it make sense? do not. It's fun? YES
MELEE BOW ENJOYER
umbral crater
Oh yeah one more thing thats atm starting to annoy me
leaden whale
gray haven
You might enjoy Hera with Phalanx Shot.
umbral crater
The grind for stuff is a lot
Where im at rn i feel like i have to grind an eternity for any upgrades
That actually do anything
gray haven
Early game, you're kind of supposed to figure out the base game with the base weapons.
leaden whale
do I get any special items by giving a specific amount of gifts to the characters?
I gave 4 gifts to meg and 3 to athena
gray haven
Some of them.
umbral crater
Yeah but stuff like getting enough nectar to give everyone or getting enough darkness, keys, gems and diamonds is where i struggle
gray haven
But gifting is mainly for the sake of gifting.
leaden whale
hmmm
umbral crater
Also leveling up the keepsakes and stuff takes AGES
gray haven
You don't need all of them maxed yet.
gray haven
Umm.. try moving behind it?
umbral crater
I think theres like
Half a pixel where i can get it
I saw it flash on screen for like one frame
gray haven
F10 that either way.
umbral crater
Is "name" in the bug reporter my name or the bug title? xD
lofty crane
I cant pick the key up
yeah for some reason exits take precedence over rewards …
umbral crater
Yeah not very smart considering you need to take the reward to access the exit xD
gray haven
Your own name.
umbral crater
Also
Is it just me or is the bow like STUPIDLY hard to use at first?
When you have no boons to do any kind of area damage
void wyvern
dash strikes and powershots
maiden ruin
Is it just me or is the bow like STUPIDLY hard to use at first?
Bow is pretty easy to use
umbral crater
How do you deal with enemies in melee range then?
The power shot does like zero damage or knockback and it takes really long to actually do
slow ferry
Bow is unintuitive at first
umbral crater
Unless you manage to make like a lot of them hit
slow ferry
If enemies are in melee range, exit melee range
leaden whale
Is it just me or is the bow like STUPIDLY hard to use at first?
I play using a controller, so it was quick to get used to
void wyvern
Bow is pretty easy to use
depends on the player doe
im having a blast with bow with kbm
sand river
i love bow but holding down attack doesn't work for everyone i think
umbral crater
Yeah thats one thing i really dislike
The other is you cant move while charging up
leaden whale
XDDDD
umbral crater
I seem to only make it far if i get a really stupid boon setup going xD
leaden whale
To be honest, I don't play focused on one type of build, I just take what I think is best.
umbral crater
Ye same
leaden whale
So it ends up becoming a mess
umbral crater
Its just sometimes that leads to really stupid boon setups xD
leaden whale
And I think it's VERY fun
Sometimes I play using bow with a build that would be much better with the sword
But I think it's fun
umbral crater
The third time i made it past meg in a run i got to all the way to the end boss the ONLY reason i made it that far was because i had the spear and a lvl 10 heroic hangover boon for special attack that i just kept upgrading xD
leaden whale
XDDDD
umbral crater
I got it as an epic one and got it upgraded in asphodel by luck and then just kept on choosing upgrades and upgrading that single boon
umbral crater
Lol
leaden whale
As I didn't like the sword, I thought another melle weapon must be similar
So I didn't even spend keys on it
umbral crater
Yeah theyre really annoying
umbral crater
Yeah
slow ferry
Sword, bow, and rail have hammers that give piercing effect, which means you can hit through shields
leaden whale
Rail?
umbral crater
A weapon you havent unlocked
leaden whale
I have no idea how to unlock
And I've tried to escape more than 10 times
I met people who unlocked with 7 attempts
slow ferry
You didn't unlock the spear
leaden whale
Yes
slow ferry
You have to unlock the spear to get more weapons to unlock
slow ferry
That's just the way it is i guess
leaden whale
I'm focusing on wasting the keys on the mirror
slow ferry
Oh yeah unlocking mirror is important too
leaden whale
But I need the new weapons
Using only the bow makes the game cloying
Sometimes I need to take a break
But the bow is the best
leaden whale
ranged deals more damage
heady comet
Not really just safer
leaden whale
Melee doesn't seem to give and punishes you a lot
Enemies are very dangerous up close
heady comet
A lot of ranged weapons play like melee at more advanced levels i feel like
leaden whale
Very dangerous to use melee weapons
heady comet
Speedrunners be like:
slow ferry
And like, the bottom of the mirror is pretty expensive in darkness, so you might unlock a shelf that you can't actually benefit from
Also, the spear is longer than it looks... you can stand on the other side of the screen to hit your enemies
gray carbon
||So i just unlocked aspect of arthur, and I don’t know what the special is||
heady comet
Spoilers
Spoiler tag that
Special ||slows down projectiles and decreases damage||
Looks cool too
slow ferry
||and disables traps||
noble mist
||also theres a hammer to make enemies slower in it ||
leaden whale
|| Spoiler tag is pog ||
leaden whale
Also, the spear is longer than it looks... you can stand on the other side of th...
I will test it
heady comet
Its special is not too good tho unless its hidden spear
gray carbon
Yeah
leaden whale
I just want to kill idiot Theseus
heady comet
Its very much a melee weapon
slow ferry
Lmao, it's better than the bow special
leaden whale
he wears shield, i hate shield
gray carbon
And the second aspect is also good
umbral crater
Its special is good if you get hangover or doom on it
lofty crane
||So i just unlocked aspect of arthur, and I don’t know what the special is||
doesn’t it have a tooltip? :)
heady comet
No i dknt think so
heady comet
Special is so slow tho
gray carbon
It just says extra health and slows enemies so it doesn’treally explain
heady comet
^ None of the movesets in hades are explained very well
noble mist
what weapon are you talking about?
heady comet
Hidden sword
gray carbon
Blade
noble mist
put like aphro on special or something
for big bonks
aphro on special art on attack
doom is not good on it
noble mist
ah
i dont think dooms good on spear special
maybes its ok
spear special is kinda bad
gray carbon
Yeah
noble mist
even hidden special is sloooww tho
umbral crater
I like spear the best tbh out of the weapons
noble mist
its fun
umbral crater
Its by far the easiest for me to not die with
noble mist
i used to main hades spear
gray carbon
I like spear the best tbh out of the weapons
Yeah i like spear and sword
noble mist
the problem with spear
for me
is most of it
is slow and does not deal that much damage
so no reason to really use it
heady comet
Flurry jab
noble mist
achilles is good for cast builds tho
heady comet
Achilles is a great weapon for speedrunningfl
noble mist
but if you dont get hammers is pretty bad
heady comet
Flurry jab + artemis attack
gray carbon
Ye
heady comet
Got me my only sub 9
gray carbon
But the exploding special is really good
heady comet
But yah kinda dependent on flurry or serrated edge
noble mist
tbh my favorite weapon is shield for winning, rail for ** s p e e d **
gray carbon
Its like a better version on hidden special
umbral crater
Rail with the hammer that makes the special 5 bombs is kinda busted tbh xD
noble mist
get that hammer
umbral crater
Its like melee but with delay
heady comet
Rocket + cluster is pretty broken
noble mist
cluster rockets legit win the game for you
noble mist
art rockets are fun
heady comet
artemis, aphro, athena all work
heady comet
Ye but if you dont get it aphro/athena have the highest base #
heady comet
Yes
heady comet
||thanatos is a god||
noble mist
same with meg
leaden whale
Wait, he who flirts with us?
noble mist
?
noble mist
i did see what happaned with each decision
grave storm
noble mist
i just reloaded then chose the other one
leaden whale
Thanatos reminds me of any generic yaoi character
grave storm
alright botty
leaden whale
the first time i saw him
Meg has been my crush since she said she wanted to kill me 😍
🥰
umbral crater
Wtf
Poison started for like no reason
To do damage at least 2x faster than normal
Mid run
slow ferry
Poison speeds up once you've been poisoned for a while i think?
Oh I see
Poison stacks
slow ferry
So if you get hit with poison and then poisoned again, you take 2x dmg
slow ferry
It's realistic
umbral crater
Poison already deals a ton of damage
slow ferry
Gotta be really careful
umbral crater
"realistic" in a game about a greek god ascending from the underworld
But like holy crap that is so dumb
slow ferry
You gotta be careful i guess
umbral crater
I guess i got hit by like 2 or 3 at the same time or smth?
slow ferry
It's the hardest floor
umbral crater
I lost over 100hp in a few secods
I couldnt make it to the well before i died
Why is that a thing
That is so insanely dumb
Poison to begin with IMO already deals way too much damage considering you cant always get to the cure safely
slow ferry
When you enter a room with a lot of poison enemies, make sure you spot where the cure wells are ahead of time, so that you don't panic when poisoned
umbral crater
Yeah
OK this is like the first part of the game ive ran into where i think its just straight up bad design
The other issues ive had are basically all to do with the roguelike genre as a whole but this is just bad design
IMO xD
slow ferry
It's a thing that you're meant to avoid that deals a lot of damage
There's a lot of that in this game
umbral crater
Yeah except its nearly impossible to avoid in some situations
Because the rats can literally poison like 80% of the room
Bc the rooms are so small
So if you dont have a ton of dps youre kind of just f-ed
slow ferry
Well, sure
Is it unreasonable for the game to expect you to be dealing a lot of damage by then?
umbral crater
No, its not, but it also needs to be specific types of damage
You cant have anything that requires charge times unless they have high knockback
And you cant have melee unless it gives you immunity or you have other forms of damage
And theres like
4 things in the game that do damage like that
slow ferry
You can absolutely punch the big rats
slow ferry
Get to them before they spread poison
Or stand on a spot that they haven't poisoned yet
And definitely don't stand right in front of them because their melee hits pretty hard
umbral crater
You have to kill them before they spread poison which needs very very high dps
slow ferry
They only spread poison when you're far away
If you're in their face they'll just try to hit you
umbral crater
Ok
I still think poison both deals way too much damage and shouldnt stack
Or like at the very least make the wells not need interacting and releasing every other key
slow ferry
It's definitely difficult
umbral crater
Yeah i dont mind difficult at all
leaden whale
zagreus looks like the most greek doomguy
umbral crater
I in general have an issue with enemies that make parts of the arena unusable in most games, not limited to this, and i also think the poison is just way way way too harsh compared to how easy it is to get poisoned or how hard it is to not get poisoned sometimes
Especially when theres rats and then also those guys that shoot poison darts
void wyvern
gotta alwaysbe on ur toes in styx, since the poison guys are a bit annoying be wary of when they shoot their darts, for the rats try and dash strike them in and out of the posion pool, or just drag them away from the posion pool
icy scarab
You can get to the cure thing quite quickly before the poison racks up, it’s defo hard tho. I quite like it, Tartarus and asphodel have become brain dead for me over time but Styx always has the chance to mess you up
leaden whale
@icy scarab I see that from your profile picture, you have culture
chilly briar
persona fans smh
leaden whale
Yes
stray kayak
I hate asphodel the most
safe cargo
Hello :)
slow ferry
A little bit hot
sand river
woah the aspect of chaos design is rly cool
what builds do ppl typically do with chaos or zeus shield
slow ferry
People like Zeus special on Zeus shield
I'm not sure what people do with chaos shield
gray haven
Thunder Flourish and then Static Discharge for Chaos Aspect is a decent build.
With Heartbreak Strike, you can add any good Call and get Smoldering Air.
tired bear
how to deal with theses stupid dogs in temple styx ?
tired bear
do you mean the big rats or the small rats
oh that's right the rat
slow ferry
which one is the problem, the big ones or the small ones?
tired bear
the big one with the flames
tired bear
the three headed dog?
you mean cerberus?
tired bear
do *you* mean cerberus?
no
pastel cipher
Tiny vermin?
rancid violet
I think they're looking at either say yes or the vermin and mistaking them for dogs
Vermin: splash poison on the floor, giant rats.
Saytrs: people with hooves that shoot poison darts at you
The only dog in styx: Cebreus, 3 headed giant hell hound who will move if you give him a quest item
@tired bear
tired bear
vermin
rancid violet
You get rid of their armor and stunlock them with melee attacks.
Preferably you keep them at decent range, and ensure they don't get time to spread too much poison on the floor
gray haven
Never stay in front of a Gigantic Vermin's head. Their bites are very fast and hit hard. If one is facing you and close, immediately dash to either side to get out of its line of attack.
If there's too much poison on the floor around them, don't go into melee range. Just kite them away from there and fight on normal ground.
Strong builds generally plan ahead for the Temple of Styx. For example, wall-slam damage scales with the biome, so it's especially strong in Satyr tunnels... which are also very small areas with easy wall slams.
The miniboss tunnels give higher quality rewards and are more predictable, so they're often taken first.
In the final rooms that are not minibosses, make sure you familiarize yourself with the trap layouts, and think about which spots you really want to avoid because of traps, where to fight to ensure you have a curing pool nearby, etc.
Usually, you wanna take out Satyrs > Snakestones > Gigantic Vermin > Bothers in that order.
Be ready to dash when Satyrs ready their shots (listen for the sound cue), and circle Snakestones to avoid their lasers.
stray kayak
Styx is really noisy though
pallid basin
Tiny vermin scared me the first time
chilly briar
tiny vermin is the hardest
rancid violet
I was having a lovely run and win streak when I first found tiny vermin
Literally shafted my run, and I couldn't be mad about because it was hilarious
exotic lintel
You can cheese tiny vermin of you're using a range weapon or use the special attacks only on some weapons
leaden whale
Can Hades be continued?
Or is it impossible?
I haven't finished the game yet, I just keep thinking
gray haven
Continued?
gray haven
I think Marvel has shown us there's always a way.
I doubt they're interested in making a sequel, though.
exotic lintel
Hades boons 
faint umbra
I wouldn’t really want hades 2, to be honest. It stands very well on its own in my opinion and I would very much rather see what world supergiant makes next
leaden whale
is that since I haven't finished the game yet, I don't know how the story is and how it ends
When I see it I might know if there will be or not
exotic lintel
Imagine Norse mythology 
leaden whale
My computer is not accepting my controller for some reason and unfortunately I will have to play hades using the keyboard
It will be like having to learn to play all over again
How annoying.
chilly briar
this is the same thing that happened to me
i was trying to be a smartass and accidentally deleted the module thing which makes it so that the pc recognises controllers
and now im stuck with kbm
leaden whale
I hate playing games like this on the keyboard
chilly briar
faxx
leaden whale
Looks like my computer doesn't want to accept control anymore
It's working
But the computer does not accept
void wyvern
Damn tht sucks
gray haven
Try asking for help in #h1-tech-support.
exotic lintel
What controller u using?
gray haven
Discussion is better suited for that channel, anyway.
leaden whale
What controller u using?
It's an old control.
leaden whale
Try asking for help in <#520430049003044864>.
But that chat is just for problems inside Hades
exotic lintel
Better ask in tech support. Mine is a ds3 and i use a software called scp
Works on ds3 and ds4
leaden whale
I use one from logitech from 2006 I think
It works perfectly because it has practically NEVER been used.
exotic lintel
U could try using x360
leaden whale
It was always kept
leaden whale
U could try using x360
I don't have one of that
exotic lintel
Its a software
leaden whale
i want to buy xbox one controller
leaden whale
Its a software
Will he recognize my control?
exotic lintel
Not sure but i used that in my Bluetooth controller back in the day
leaden whale
I will see
I don't want to learn to play hades from scratch again
For the love of God
gray haven
But that chat is just for problems inside Hades
Yes, but no. You need tech support to play Hades with the controller you want. They can help you figure things out. The SGG tech support is always super helpful.
leaden whale
I will see about
restive fog
cool i did 20
chilly briar
🥴
cobalt iris
Yes, but no. You need tech support to play Hades with the controller you want. T...
Can confirm!
umbral crater
One thing i really dislike about the ||hades fight is how insanely high damage boiling blood makes everything||
I keep dying bc im otherwise fine and take like almost no damage but then one of those just completely DESTROYS me
It doesnt feel like the HP bar is counting my mistakes it feels like if i got good RNG and didnt get hit by those i would easily win
Especially ||boiling blood and then getting hit twice by the spinny attack is just wtf||
dense estuary
Have you tried using the dash button repeatedly then reflecting the attack
umbral crater
Wdym reflecting the attack
slow ferry
what i do when i get ||blooded|| is that i go hide on the other side of the screen of where the boss is until the effect goes away
umbral crater
Yeah i try to do that usually
grave storm
yeah play defensive
umbral crater
I usually dont manage tho bc the reason i usually take that hit is because i got cornered
grave storm
Unless you're reckless like me and just try my best to dodge
umbral crater
And then i get hit twice by the spinny attack
Which then does 160 damage which is just absurd
dense estuary
Wdym reflecting the attack
With one of the deflect boons from Athena you can reflect attacks
umbral crater
Like, if the HP bar is supposed to count your mistakes nothing should be doing that much damage
160 damage is more HP than you get after a death defiance in like 90% of cases lol
umbral crater
4th floor?
abstract root
4th stage or whatever
abstract root
playing w the shield is very easy to
umbral crater
Like over half my runs end to me dying to meg
abstract root
nah just keep ur distance
umbral crater
Yeah the issue is if i dont get any ranged damage i do no damage
And then get destroyed
grave storm
keep your distance
umbral crater
How do i keep my distance with sword or fists
grave storm
dash perpendicular to her when she sashes
dense estuary
I *still* for some reason
That's called accidently being awesome
abstract root
yeah she dashes and just stands still for like 2 seconds
dense estuary
Nope correct reply
grave storm
keep your distance when she dashes, or is prepping her AoE attack
umbral crater
Wdym then xD
abstract root
u can hit her in those 2 seconds
umbral crater
OK
grave storm
then when she's not doing anything, go in and get a few hits
umbral crater
And then how tf do i avoid the particle spam if im now up close?
grave storm
then get out
umbral crater
Just dash away as fast as i can?
grave storm
run away from particles
sand river
yea dash back n avoid them from furtheraway
umbral crater
Idk if theres smth im missing there
dense estuary
Wdym then xD
He got to final area on fourth run but still dies to meg
grave storm
the further you are, the more spread out they are.
umbral crater
No i die to meg xD
abstract root
And then how tf do i avoid the particle spam if im now up close?
dash away
yes yes
umbral crater
I didnt get to final area on fourth run xD
dense estuary
Idk if theres smth im missing there
Yes the extra dash from mirror
umbral crater
I got to final area on my second run that i got past meg
abstract root
so u can just stand still and click on the projectiles
umbral crater
I died once to bull of minos after my first try getting past meg
And then got a stupidly good boon for the next one xd
The first time i got to hades i was 100% carried by a lvl 10 heroic hangover boon on my special with the spear xD
I literally only upgraded that one
abstract root
i see
i dont want to finish the game so quick
so i'll have to do a little bit of dying more
sand river
there is plenty of content after final boss too
umbral crater
An excessive amount almost
abstract root
okay good
umbral crater
Idk why i struggle with dodging in this game in melee combat so much
abstract root
then i'll try to defeat the final boss w the least amount of tries
umbral crater
Thats typically where im very good in other games
umbral crater
Like in hollow knight i typically dont use any charms that make me able to attack from further away
But in this i just for some reason cannot seem to dodge anything when im in melee range
abstract root
oh u play hollow knight too?
i just bought it
yesterday
i bought hades hollow knight and other 7 or 8 games
i got tired of playing the same game for 2k hours
umbral crater
Yeah i like hollow knight a lot more than hades
abstract root
;_;
dim quiver
hollow knight is good
umbral crater
Typically not a fan of rougelikes, this is the first OK one that ive actually liked somewhat
umbral crater
And even with this i have my issues xD
grave storm
so I meet her at the end of her dash, and can get a few hits in before she does her next attack
abstract root
dashing to the other side when she dashes and then attacking her from the back
then dashing away cuz she does this weird AoE attack
grave storm
I jokingly call this game "hollow knight pantheon with extra steps" so yeah feel that
actually @umbral crater wonder if it works to think of meg as a faster Hornet
umbral crater
Lol
No
Also btw
The main thing i generally dislike about roguelikes and this game as well is the main difference between this and HK pantheons
In HK you can practice each boss separately after you reach them
grave storm
oh yeah same
but the difference is that in hades the "padding" rooms also have their own difficulty
umbral crater
In this you have to go through like 30 minutes of other random bs before that, and in my case specifically i usually end up spending like 45 min before i reach the boss im at again because i keep dying to the first one xd
Oh yeah
grave storm
so you're practicing the regular rooms
umbral crater
The only one id classify as actually hard tbh is the theseus fight and some of the minibosses
grave storm
and eventually get to a point where you're reaching the next boss with enough HP to just sponge
umbral crater
Meg isnt hard even tho i keep dying to her, its just i cant beat her without ranged damage, if its melee i cant seem to beat her no matter what if i have good ranged damage i take like 10-20hp of damage and beat her no problem
grave storm
shouldn't take you more than like, 15 mins to get to Meg eventually
umbral crater
Its like an extreme difference
grave storm
eventually you get enough mirror buffs to brute force anyway
grave storm
or maybe just don't use melee
umbral crater
The only mirror buffs i dont have unlocked are the ones that cost 30 keys
Yeah
Thats what im doing
Except i also need some melee bc otherwise i cant clear regular rooms
grave storm
I had more trouble with hornet 2 than meg LOL
umbral crater
Lmao
Like with the bow i can deal with bosses no problem, i even got to ||hades once with that, and got him down to like 25% hp on second phase and then proceeded to die to one of his minions bc i cant clear minions with it xd||
Same with the rail
So im mostly using trident and shield
grave storm
hmm maybe you should ask in builds and combat about movement and stuff
grave storm
my bow strat is run around in circles and keep shooting
don't worry about it not being charged up all the way
I treat the bow's special as a "melee" sometimes
get behind and real close to an enemy so that everything in the volley hits a single target
umbral crater
With the bow i can EASILY deal with melee if i get a good special boon
But its again with that im relying on good boons
grave storm
use the god keepsakes to get boons you want
umbral crater
Yeah im doing that xD
Except it doesnt guarantee anything
It guarantees the god not a good boon xD
grave storm
then it's probably just improving the your physical movement
grave storm
since I basically play a self-sabotaging mode and can still get bow clears sort of consistently
umbral crater
Oops i forget i cant swear here constantly xD
grave storm
maybe using god mode would help
umbral crater
I guess its another place where this game could be improved from a game design perspective
In a lot of other games, most that ive played, where movement plays a big part of combat theres at least a few places where you practice movement outside of combat
Or where you can take damage
This doesnt have that
So i never really paid attention to movement
grave storm
ymmv but my first clears all had ||Demeter|| on something to make enemies slower
umbral crater
Which is i think a major portion of why im struggling so much with some specific bosses and attacks
gray haven
Are you using the Evergreen Acorn for the Temple of Styx?
gray haven
Highly recommended to help you with the fight.
umbral crater
OK
But ye i think my movement is the main reason i struggle with dodging attacks at melee range SO MUCH
also a lot of it is genuinely that i cant keep track of where enemies are and where i am on the screen bc theres so much diarrhea christmas lights on screen
gray haven
Also if you block ||the skulls with the shield, they poof into nonexistence||.
umbral crater
Huh
grave storm
maybe that would help flashing?? idk it's always been off for me
umbral crater
OH yeah there is
I somehow missed that
Typically i turn anything like that off for all games instantly when i start playing xD
gray haven
Also keep looking into how to make your builds stronger. The wiki pages for the gods are great for planning ahead, and you can purchase an upgrade for your codex that also gives you a list of boons for each god and what the requirements are.
umbral crater
Yeah, i try to do that
I typically dont struggle with builds so much if i have one or two good boons
umbral crater
What are weapon aspects xD
And i dont have dark foresight yet, i need to still get it
Ive completely forgotten to check the mirror for the past few runs bc i forgot thats a thing i should get
I thought id check it again after i get 30 keys xD
grave storm
imma pop off for work, but you can consider turning god mode on - it's in the same menu as turning off vibration, shake, etc. the only thing it does is let you take less damage. so you can get more practice on the later bosses just by virtue of dying less earlier on
slow ferry
once you unlock all weapons you get "aspects"
umbral crater
Melonade ye that sounds like a good idea tbh for meg practice mostly xD
Prolly gonna make a separate savefile for that tho
OK riddler
What does that mean?
xD
slow ferry
try equipping a weapon you already have equipped, and you will open the aspects menu
umbral crater
Will when i die again
slow ferry
you can spend titan blood on making your weapon stronger and adding different effects to it
an "aspect" is an alternate weapon mode you can unlock that has special effects
umbral crater
Ah
gray haven
Prolly gonna make a separate savefile for that tho
If you want to make a separate save for practice, you can actually make a save just to practice the Meg fight over and over. Whenever you lose or win, you open the start menu, "Give Up", and when you reload the game, you can go again.
You can do the same for any other fight.
umbral crater
Doesnt that require me to start from the beginning again and go through all the rooms? xD
gray haven
Not if you overwrite the permanent save in any of your profiles with your temp save when you enter chamber.
"Give Up" just tells the game to load your permanent save next time, basically.
And if that's your save when you enter the Meg fight, you just get to load your Meg save every time.
slow ferry
you have to hit give up before you pick up the blood?
umbral crater
How can i create a temporary save then lol
gray haven
Temporary save is created automatically during your runs.
umbral crater
Ah
gray haven
you have to hit give up before you pick up the blood?
Doesn't matter. You can go all the way to the final biome, hit "Give Up", and the next time you load that profile, you'll be in the Meg fight again.
Normally, your permanent save is in the House of Hades. So if you hit Give Up, you start back in the courtyard with all of the progress from that run lost.
umbral crater
Btw whats the RNG on determining which boons are available?
Is it all equal chance of everything in the pool or smth?
Bc if so im getting quite the luck here xd
gray haven
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fill all three slots with priority boons,
(2) if an exchange is possible, 10% chance to add an exchange to one free slot,
(3) if 2 fails and there are free priority slots, add one priority boon to one slot,
(4) 50% chance to add a tier 2 status curse (i.e., Jolted, Marked, Rupture, or Exposed) to one slot if boon requirements are met,
(5) roll for legendary/duo for each remaining slot,
(6) roll for epic for each remaining slot,
(7) roll for rare for each remaining slot,
(8) fill all remaining slots with common,
(9) fill all remaining slots with whatever is available.
umbral crater
Bruh
leaden whale
ive invested 6 of my titan blood in the aspect of talos for maphon and was wondering if I was eligible for hidden fists
slow ferry
the hidden aspects are spoilers here
you need hidden spear unlocked before you get the other hidden ones
leaden whale
yeah i got that
gray haven
6 into Talos is enough, yes.
Spoiler-tag the hidden aspect name, though, or just change it to hidden fists. 
gray carbon
So i have 2 left, which hidden aspect is better, fists or bow
gray haven
Bow.
gray carbon
Ends with|| artemis || right?
umbral crater
How does ||the pact of punishment actually work? Like, what are the bonuses that i gain from it and when do i get them?||
sand river
||you get extra bounties, the Titan Blood, Diamond etc., when you defeat bosses with each heat level, up to 20 heat i think||
umbral crater
OK
Then it seems like either its broken or theres a bug with it
||I just cleared the whole thing with 1 heat and it was also my first time using the fists, and i got no bonuses||
sand river
first time using the fists ever?
sand river
ok take this with a grain of salt cuz im not super familiar with ||heat but i think it just expands on the existing bounty system, which is 1 bounty per boss per weapon. so heat is 1 bounty per boss per weapon per heat level. so you'll get 1 bounty for fists heat 1, and if you play heat 0, you should get the 0 heat fists bounty too, but heat doesn't give you two at the same time. || i think that's how it works
if that is wrong someone pls correct me lol
umbral crater
I have no clue what happened there but im now unable to claim the fist clear rewards or the ||heat clear rewards for the fists, and i didnt get two rewards for using them||
slow ferry
||usually when you beat a boss you already beat with a weapon, you get darkness. adding heat means you get the treasure again||
||you never get 2 rewards||
umbral crater
Nice meme
So i just threw away ||a titan blood, a diamond and and ambrosa because of this||
Neat
slow ferry
no you didnt
umbral crater
I mean
slow ferry
||you can still get the 0 heat rewards||
umbral crater
I cant claim either one of them anymore
slow ferry
yes you can
slow ferry
||do a fists run with 0 heat||
umbral crater
Ill try but i thought it showed me that i cant do it
Like as in i cant get the rewards
slow ferry
||you can never lose treasures by using the heat system||
the interface is a bit confusing
umbral crater
OK
umbral crater
(1) If all priority slots (i.e., Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash) are empty, fil...
Does the 1) only apply if all 3 slots are empty? Or if youre missing say dash does it try to fill a dash in?
cobalt iris
The latter
umbral crater
In that case wtf
gray haven
Does the 1) only apply if all 3 slots are empty? Or if youre missing say dash do...
That's only if all four slots are still empty.
That's why the first boon you see in a run always offers you 3 out of Attack, Special, Cast, and Dash.
umbral crater
OK
gray haven
The only time you would see that again after the first boon is if you purge your priority boons later or if you reroll the first boon with Persuasion and take something that's not a priority boon.
It's mainly just to guarantee that the first boon offer in a run gives you three priority boons.
cobalt iris
Aww, sorry to hear you couldn't get that controller working :\
umbral crater
Im playing using controller and mouse xD
cobalt iris
Their power is beyond our comprehension
umbral crater
I would use joystick and mouse but i cant be asked to set it up atm xD
leaden whale
It must be horrible playing on the keyboard
You can't get the right reflex and the attacks are misdirected
gray haven
Some of the very best Hades players play on KBM.
maiden ruin
Just like me
cobalt iris
Controller isn't necessarily "better," K&M is just a different style of play
leaden whale
Controller isn't necessarily "better," K&M is just a different style of play
Makes the game difficult, in my view
At least for me, since hades there are several different buttons
Mixing attacks and dashes
I'll probably have a hard time in places I wouldn't normally have...
slow ferry
Whatever works for you
I haven't played a game with controller for like 10 years so kbm is a lot more comfortable
sand river
hey do keepsakes from the olympians summon them more than once per run or am i wasting time if I'm not switching them in between areas
i want to see ares again but i already used the vial in tartarus
gray haven
Once until you pick up a boon from the god. There's a little 1 under the keepsake if it still has a charge.
If the little 1 is gone, you still get the rarity bonus, though.
sand river
gotcha, thank u
gray haven
i want to see ares again but i already used the vial in tartarus
Best thing you can do is probably equip the Chtonic Coin Purse just to make sure you have money when you see his boons in the shop.
thorny leaf
On the keyboard xD
I only use Keyboard and Mouse lmao
leaden whale
I only use Keyboard and Mouse lmao
Warrior
solid steppe
I have hades on switch lol
leaden whale
It's control... But different
sand river
i alternate between switch & pc with dualshock4
ocean basalt
So do I need to equip the ||Rod of Fishing|| somehow?
void wyvern
nope
once you buy it you have it
if you hear a bling sound that means u can fish, or if you see a lglowing light on a pool of water in any biome
ocean basalt
Okay, just, I did a whole ||run all the way to the surface and got kicked back down by Dad|| after I purchased it and ||never got prompted to fish||?
Maybe I just didn't know what to look for. I'll keep an eye out this time.
faint umbra
every chamber that has water in it has a chance to contain a fishing point, but not every run will necessarily have fish. they appear as a small glowing point in the water and youll hear a ding once the chamber is cleared to indicate there is a fishing point in the chamber
i dont have an image of how they look like on hand unfortunately, and there isnt one on the wiki. thats a good thing to put on there, now that i think about it
slow ferry
chaos
if you don't have 2 hammers, the game will keep offering hammers, but the game is happy to leave you with no chaos
quaint crater
kk thx
gray haven
Some aspects or builds really want hammers, also depends on whether it's first or second hammer. So there's no simple answer for that.
late blaze
Uh
how to get ||The 4 Diamonds from the Dusa quest?||
Even ||Dusa was cheerful last time? what am I missing?||
chilly briar
buy 12 things from the contractor for the lounge
lone parrot
Yeah you’re helping her || with her jobs list so you need to buy lounge items||
gray haven
Please help Dusa. It's her birthday. 
chilly briar
do the boss tunnels first
wanton crest
It's never the first tunnel, after that it's random
faint umbra
||hades has 2 phases||
humble carbon
||hades has 2 phases||
||I faced Hades for the first time and when I was going to kill him, he fell to the ground and got angry and filled his health, then I died in a few hits. If I hadn't died, would he be filling up again?||
sand river
||no he just does that once, when he enters the second phase of the fight||
humble carbon
thanks
thorny leaf
||I faced Hades for the first time and when I was going to kill him, he fell to ...
||no unless you’re running Extreme Measures 4||
ebon spruce
Does the bonus of the butterfly stay even if I change it out later?
maiden ruin
no
ebon spruce
Thanks
edgy plover
i got two duo boons in one athena boon list but i cant put images
slow ferry
lucky you
edgy plover
one of them was merciful end but i died on that run
gray haven
i got two duo boons in one athena boon list but i cant put images
Right. You can link screenshots from an image hosting site or a private discord server, though.
slow ferry
Wait till you get 3 in 1 go
upper bone
||Hey i am making quite a bit of progress but i failed on the Minotaur boss last time.How should i aproach him next time i make it to him?||
heady comet
learn his moveset its pretty simple once you focus on it
"attack attack jump (jump) (jump)"
also you can dash through pillars when he does his charge attack and he'll get stunned on columns
upper bone
alright ty for advice
rare solstice
||Hey i am making quite a bit of progress but i failed on the Minotaur boss last...
||Depends on your weapon, but I always just try to keep behind him. When he swings the axe, just stand behind him. There is an area where the hitbox doesn't reach you
Otherwise, the second attack which is jump, idk but since I'm always so close to him he always jumps too far and misses, so you just come closer and hit him again
As I've seen he has only 2 attacks, so just getting used to staying behind him all the time just works
(At least that's my experience with him. Good luck!)||
upper bone
oki
stray kayak
also you can dash through pillars when he does his charge attack and he'll get s...
Does this work even with ||forced overtime?|| I can only pillar crash him like 1/10 of the time.
gray haven
@stray kayak ||Forced Overtime|| is a spoiler in this channel.
sand river
i just beat final boss with shield which means i've done it once with every weapon now 
lean cipher
Do you have to escape with the spear to unlock aspects or can it be with any weapon?
gray haven
Weapon Aspects are unlocked after you unlocked the last weapon, the next time you return to the House of Hades after that.
lean cipher
Okay thank you
ocean basalt
Cleared a chamber during my latest run and Zag was still reeling
I just took a moment to sit and watch him swaying around like a car dealership tube man for a while, before I finally moved him and broke the loop
It was very hypnotic 🤣
celest perch
2 questions
-
is there a way I can trade in the darkness for anytbing? I 15,000 and nothing to spend it on anymore
-
what’s the best build if I want to collect gems and idk I guess nectar?
tawny nacelle
2 questions
1) is there a way I can trade in the darkness for anytbing? I 15,00...
1: I don't think so, there are probably some special sales I'm missing, but I don't think it's common to trade Darkness for anything
2: whatever weapon has Dark Thirst and Ocean's Bounty (Poseidon), you should also get Sunken Treasure while you're at it. And Premium Vintage gives you +1 Nectar (Dionysus)
you can also fish for a fish in Chaos' biome that gives you Darkness when you give it the Head Chef
undone forge
1: I don't think so, there are probably some special sales I'm missing, but I do...
what about that the big green guy behind the stand in the lounge?
tawny nacelle
what about that the big green guy behind the stand in the lounge?
the Head Chef?
or the Broker?
tawny nacelle
yeah that's the special ocassion
undone forge
the special limited time offers
void wyvern
50 darkness for nectar, 500 for ambrosia i think
tawny nacelle
that's why I said it's not common to trade
undone forge
even still darkness for ambrosia isnt a bad trade imo
tawny nacelle
it's a great trade
tawny nacelle
50 darkness for nectar, 500 for ambrosia i think
weird, didn't see that on the Wiki
oh wait
now I see it
faint umbra
2 questions
1) is there a way I can trade in the darkness for anytbing? I 15,00...
Later on in the game there is a pretty big darkness sink so you might want to save it for that. It is purely cosmetic though
pastel cipher
there's a couple in fact, but they all cosmetic
orchid bloom
How do Chaos rooms work when it comes to boon choices? I often end up in a situation where I have a chaos rift in a room where the next room reward would be a hammer. Haven't dared choose the chaos rift because I don't want to lose the hammer, but would the exits from the Chaos room retain the hammer somehow or would it indeed be lost?
faint umbra
hammers tend to show up again in a run if you dont pick them at first, until you have 2 of them (which is the maximum unless you use the anvil). its kind of rare to have less than two hammers in a run
orchid bloom
Alright, so it's pretty safe to take an early chaos gate even tho it's instead of a hammer door?
faint umbra
yeah!
undone forge
well it depends on how important the hammer is for the weapon imo
but mostly yeah the hammer will indeed show up again
faint umbra
that is also true
orchid bloom
Does the hammer boon Rush Kick (special turns into flying kick dealing damage twice) work with the charged special of Fists of Demeter?
undone forge
yeah
chilly briar
yes
orchid bloom
Cool, so it's worth taking?
I can choose between that and Explosive Upper atm and am not sure what to go for
undone forge
explosive
explosive applys to all 5 hits of the empowered dash upper
its alot of damage
orchid bloom
Yeah, I managed to get that my last Demeter run, it was pretty sick
Will probs just go with it again, blowing stuff up is fun
chilly briar
rush kick can be fun as well because it just makes you jump to the enemies
its like reverse talos
orchid bloom
Neat, I'll give it a try when it's not right next to such a perfect option
Heh, I actually now a few rooms later got the chance to combine the two. How does that work? Will I hit with 10x explosive specials?
undone forge
explosive doesnt give u more specials
orchid bloom
No but Rush Kick does?
chilly briar
its just 100% more damage on dash specials
chilly briar
No but Rush Kick does?
no
orchid bloom
Oh, it says it "Deals 40 base damage twice"
undone forge
can u dash upper with rush kick?
orchid bloom
Maybe it's just for the regular special
orchid bloom
No I mean regular as in non-dash
gray haven
can u dash upper with rush kick?
Yes. Same damage as a normal Dash-Upper, much slower startup.
undone forge
i see
orchid bloom
Maybe I'll just try it and see how it works
Don't wanna waste a hammer tho if it's completely unsynergistic
undone forge
what are the options?
orchid bloom
Rush Kick, Rolling Knuckle and Long Knuckle
undone forge
long knuckle is probably the best option if ur not sure imo
orchid bloom
Latter two are nice, but I'm tempted to see if I can combine Rush and Explosive
orchid bloom
Not too bad, I'm already dealing pretty excessive damage
gray haven
If you have Explosive Upper and Rush Kick, your Dash-Special will be a normal Explosive Upper.
chilly briar
what a let down
orchid bloom
Oh, alright. That's what I was fearing but wanting to hear before I picked it 😛
Thanks for the help
gray haven
Do not fear, the Queen of Malphon is here. 
undone forge
chilly briar
undone forge
vocal umbra
Question: In a Thanatos encounter do I have to ||kill more mobs than him|| to be able to give him nectar/ambrosia? (I'm not sure if this is the right channel, sorry if it isn't :0)
maiden ruin
You can give him nectar/ambrosia after the run is finished
leaden whale
guys im sure it will take me 100 tries to finish game
noble mist
how many are you at now?
ebon spruce
I'm at my 26th and lost to the second phase of the last boss ;-;
lone parrot
I’m on run 60 something I think and have so much to go, don’t stress it
upper bone
||I unlocked all weapons,how can i use titans blood?||
maiden ruin
After you finish your next run you will unlock weapon aspects
upper bone
k
violet crystal
pride vs legacy and authority vs persuasion?
maiden ruin
Persuasion is better
For pride vs legacy it depends on what you are going for
But most of the time you'll be using legacy
heady comet
for pride vs legacy, if your build uses duo boon go legacy else pride
leaden whale
hi! i stopped playing hades bc i got into dead cells but i decided to give it a go again and i remember using the shield to get to elysium for the first time and then died basically instantly there. im now using the bow and i got decently far into elysium then died
basically im just asking if there’s anything im doing wrong or anything i should be focusing on
arctic bobcat
It's normal to hit a wall in Elysium. You'll get farther once you invest more in the Mirror and learn the attack patterns and a few things about builds 
Each weapon has its own playstyle too, so for now you can follow the thirst and find what you feel more comfortable with
Whoops forgot the ping @leaden whale