h1-for-new-players

[dull storm]

you get used to where to stand to not get ||poisoned by the rats||

[misty ridge]

just get a decent cast

then dash over & collect & back before the poison hits

[dull storm]

and the ||satyrs|| that throw ||poison darts|| are just a matter of timing

[frigid matrix]

Is talking about the enemies in act 4 count as a spoiler?

[misty ridge]

idk

[light grove]

I think it's fine to talk about Styx enemies - the only things that need to be spoilered are the final boss and anything that's unlocked after beating them

[dull storm]

ur correct, i was just being extra "nice", but i guess that doesn't make sense

[grim iris]

Is there a way to tell how many titan bloods ive put into each weapon?

[frigid matrix]

you can back it out by how many levels you have and the wiki

[compact sequoia]

Aaah oh god Alecto no not the beyblades

I got the leaping special upgrade for the sword and I am definitely not good enough at positioning to use it against a boss

[fresh current]

Learn to bait her into traps when she starts doing a barrel roll

You can make her kill herself. Hilarious and effective

[compact sequoia]

Yeah I should have just focused on keeping myself alive and let her kill herself

Got spoiled by a bunch of spear/bow runs where you can mostly move freely without leaving your attack range

[fresh current]

Yup

If you got your first wins by Playing Lame/Winning Game using spear and bow theres no shame in that. I cheesed my first clear with doom on bow special

But eventually it’ll come time to outgrow those safer training wheels and see what melee builds can offer. All in time. You’ll be fine

[compact sequoia]

I’ve had some success with the fists as well, but I tend to lose health I didn’t need to from mispositioning

[fresh current]

Fists are my personal favorites

Muhammad Ali said all that needed saying about how to play fists. Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee

Let your mobility itself be your weapon

[compact sequoia]

The fists are really good, yeah! I like the standard flurry attack more than the specials but having that dash-special is nice too

[fresh current]

Fun fact: you know chaos curses? Know how they can fall on your special and damage you?

Fists dash special ignores that 😁

[compact sequoia]

Ooh that is nice

[fresh current]

The regular one will still hurt, mind you

But you should basically always be dash-specialing if you’re going to hit the special button

Also know that you can chain dash special directly into special

For a double uppercut combo

Major endlag on that one though :/

[compact sequoia]

I’ve ended up trying the double-special thing due to boon rolls but it felt pretty static/committed which kind of defeats the utility of the fists

[fresh current]

Yeah. Use with caution and as a finisher only. Can be nice, it is technically the fists highest burst DPS option, but a big commitment

[compact sequoia]

If I wanna be mashing Q I have the Chiron bow for that

One thing I run into is not knowing when to stop dodging, once you start hitting that spacebar it’s easy to waste time or overextend by keeping it up too long

[quartz jungle]

Bow + rapid fire really is easy mode huh 😂

[fresh current]

Bow is hilarious with hammers

Some weapons have great hammers, but bow truly has the goofy busted fun hammers of the whole crew

[glass flower]

Twin Arrows plus the rapid fire hammer it amazing

[grim iris]

Does buying a cosmetic go towards completed house contracts?

[frigid matrix]

Yes

[grim iris]

Tyty

[compact sequoia]

Would y’all suggest Persuasion or Authority of the two Fated mirror options? Either one seems really good for any run so I can’t decide which to use

[sly vigil]

Either will serve you well

There isn't exactly a consensus

But Authority is slightly more popular

(But doesn't mean it's strictly better)

[normal viper]

wait what

persuasion is defo better

i thought most people used persuasion

[dull storm]

indeed

Persuasion all the way

[compact sequoia]

So divided but probably persuasion, got it

[sleek axle]

use both and see which one you prefer

[compact sequoia]

Haha, will do.

[steel isle]

Is it me or is the spear weapon op

Especially dash attack

[dull storm]

it's a great weapon, but it's all you

[compact sequoia]

Tragically it seems you cannot deflect a very large rock dude just kind of landing on you

[uneven ledge]

meanwhile you can deflect a spear being lunged straight towards you

[severe gazelle]

did you try the hammer of triple dash attack with poseidon?

[stable stirrup]

is it better to focus on one weapon until the first clear

or is farming darkness (using the weapon with the purple glow) more efficient overall

[desert granite]

I'd say focus on one weapon until at least the first clear, you'll probably get enough darkness regardless.

[fresh current]

First one, then the other

Your first job is to build skills and confidence enough to clear the game. Your second job is to sharpen those skills, learn to apply them to every weapon in the game, and farm materials

So find the weapon you love most and make it your bedrock. Practicing with one weapon will let you develop the muscle memory you need to fight with it, which will take mental load off of fighting itself and let you start learning the things you really need to about the game

After the first couple clears though, it’s time to leave the nest and start training to earn your real big boy pants. At that point, purple weapon for a long, loooooooong time. It will get you more resources quickly, and it will make you a much better player without you realizing it

At that point you should be switching over to farming for a long while too. It will throw an extra little weight atop your training set not being able to buy things in shops during a run, but again you will end up a better player for doing it

[misty ridge]

I just followed the darkness XD

Keeps me on my toes lol

[fresh current]

Never a bad strat. That’s not the wrong way to start at all if you can hack it. If you struggle, get comfy with one and work from there

[normal viper]

the base sword sucks lol

do the darkness strat

you'll get experienced with all the weapons

and will find out your fav weapon

[fresh current]

Yeah I wouldn’t recommend your bedrock being sword if you go that route

Everything but sword and fists can be played pretty safely with the base aspects at first if you need something to rely on

[fresh current]

To tailor this to you, how many attempts in are you? Do you feel you’re progressing well, or are you struggling with anything in particular?

[stable stirrup]

Im 28 attempts in, i feel like im progressing well with the bow, but others not so much

But sometimes i feel like im skipping on learning the enemies' patterns due to the safety of the bow

[fresh current]

How far have you reached? Do you make it there with any consistency?

[stable stirrup]

Pretty much, i reached the end boss 2 times already with it

[fresh current]

No, you’re just learning how to adapt to enemy patterns exclusively using the bow right now. Later you will see that these patterns are different for other weapons

But the knowledge you gain now with the bow will always be pertinent to your bow play. So it’s not a bad thing

[fresh current]

Honestly you’re doing fine

[normal viper]

(the enemy attacks arent different, its just that you'll feel them as different when you play with other weapons)

[fresh current]

I would say you’re on a perfectly average track

[fresh current]

Thank you for the translation ❤️

[normal viper]

lol

[fresh current]

I need if sometimes, I acknowledge it openly

[stable stirrup]

Oh, i guess that makes sense. The weapons do play differently after all

[normal viper]

keep playing and make sure youre looking at the final boss' attack patterns, and dodging them

dont be hungry for damage

[stable stirrup]

This is good to know

[normal viper]

patience is key

[fresh current]

Where you are right now you’re starting to hit sparks

You’re making the final boss

One or two of the cylinders are starting to catch fire

You really aren’t far from breaking through, statistically

[stable stirrup]

Ah, im pretty guilty with this one. Duly noted

[fresh current]

You’re pretty close to my track if I had to guess

[normal viper]

this worked for me, YMMV, but i loved the bow early on too

[fresh current]

Bosses can always kill you quicker than you can kill them. ALWAYS.

[normal viper]

reached the final boss with it, died to it

but then i tried the spear

[fresh current]

Dodge before hitting

[normal viper]

and i was amazing with it

[fresh current]

If they can’t hit you, you can’t die

[normal viper]

killed the boss the 2nd time i reached him with the spear

[fresh current]

Learn to fight like a pacifist. Tie both hands behind your back and survive in the ring for 2 minutes as practice

This will really, really help you

Then start punching back

[stable stirrup]

Was this like a thing where you suddenly found your perfect weapon?

[normal viper]

YES

it was

lol

but then again, YMMV

[stable stirrup]

I'll be doing this then, to learn the patterns at least

[normal viper]

i used to not use any other weapon than the bow, which was bad

[misty ridge]

I really don't like the spear

or the bow XD

so slow

[fresh current]

Where you are it’s your choice. I leave it to you. If you really love one weapon use it to build your confidence to its utmost. Get your first couple clears and then start farming and changing weapons to learn

On the other hand, you’re probably good enough to start changing weapons now

[normal viper]

you talk like someone who hasnt used the chiron bow

[stable stirrup]

Was about to fall into this when i literally atarted

[fresh current]

It will likely delay your first clear, but that’s all it will do

[misty ridge]

my top weapons so far are fists, shield & if I really want a ranged then the gun

[fresh current]

And you’ll earn and learn more in the mean time

[misty ridge]

well, I haven't unlocked it so

[normal viper]

exactly

[misty ridge]

I've only played 55h

[normal viper]

unlock chiron bow, and max it out

chiron at lvl 1 or 2 sucks

[misty ridge]

my priority has been Than

[normal viper]

but max chiron is insane

[fresh current]

Yeah Chiron lvl 1 is a trap

[normal viper]

well ambrosia and titan blood are different currencies

[fresh current]

Only buy Chiron when you have 15 blood in the bank to 100% it

[stable stirrup]

I'll be sticking to the bow until my first clear then. Hopefully it does build my confidence. Thank you!

[fresh current]

Don’t see her when she’s ugly

[misty ridge]

I meant that as in I've been just neglecting weapon aspects XD

[fresh current]

Don’t do that to our beautiful girl

[misty ridge]

I only remembered they existed.. yesterday?

[fresh current]

It’ll sully her image in your head

[misty ridge]

or the day before that lol

[fresh current]

Yeah those are mega important lol

[misty ridge]

I was just trying to idk

I was blinded by Than

now I've slowly started to try out weapon aspects XD

though slowly for me means I fully upgrade it before I use it 🤔

I loved the extra ammo I got on the rail - was really fun when I got seeking fire boon that run 😁

[fresh current]

Blinded by than what, if I may ask

Keepsake?

[misty ridge]

Design ofc

Than is one of my fave characters XD

[fresh current]

loll

[misty ridge]

I just wanted to keep talking to him

[fresh current]

I’m sorry but there is nothing more cursed in this game than Than_Front.jpg

He’s a lovely brooding nightmare otherwise

Kind of bad at his job frankly, but sweet in a distant way

[misty ridge]

lol

[normal viper]

whats that?

the than smile?

[fresh current]

He is creepy as hell when he turns frontways in his portrait lol

[normal viper]

oh yeah

lol

[cyan glacier]

Hey, I just got the game and am in about my 15th run and having some trouble with megra. ANy tips?

[brisk kelp]

yeah

Than and Meg's smiles are very disorienting

[stray terrace]

thanatos’s smile is perfectly symmetrical

[brisk kelp]

oh no

[stray terrace]

its very scary

ironic that the scariest thing about death incarnate of all things is his smile

[uneven ledge]

really let you see into why these mortals are so cripplingly scared of him

i'd be terrified too if thanatos came staring at me with a "perfectly symmetrical" smile

[stray terrace]

the reason mortals are scared of dying is not because of the pain but than’s smile

[old escarp]

Spend a bit of time watching her attacks to learn the tells. You can block (if using the shield) or destroy the projectiles with attacks

[stray terrace]

he just smiles at you the entire time he escorts you down to the underworld

[fresh current]

I can’t look straight at meg’s smile

It’s so sly 🙈

Does things to me

[lavish gorge]

idk where to ask so im just gonna ask here

whats the best controller for hades?

[mighty raft]

Idk I use a switch

[normal viper]

idk i use keyboard and mouse

[desert granite]

I use a PS4 Dualshock controller, works pretty well.

[muted latch]

both DS4 and Xbox One/Series controller works

Switch Pro is also top notch

[fresh current]

I think the secret best is actually an arcade stick for this game 🙈

But I haven’t tried that to verify it

Any good controller will be fine

[desert granite]

Speaking of, anyone seen that Hades arcade cabinet someone on Reddit made?

[fresh current]

Hades would be a surprisingly good coin op arcade game

[desert granite]

https://www.reddit.com/r/HadesTheGame/comments/knz2kz/finished_my_hades_arcade_build_what_do_you_guys/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[grim iris]

How do i add spoiler tags?

[quasi nexus]

| two of these on each side of the spoiler

::like this:: but with lines

[grim iris]

||test||

Ty

How do i unlock ||the 7th heart of Sisyphus? Do i simply talk to him? I had though the locked heart meant i needed to give Ambrosia.||

[floral nacelle]

Complete his favor

In his case, that means ||spending a few diamonds to nullify his contract||

[grim iris]

Is there a way to figure out what his favor is?

As in if you didnt tell me how does one find out?

[floral nacelle]

Zag eventually asks if he can do something about Sisyphus's situation

[grim iris]

Gotcha

[prisma socket]

@grim iris - all of those for any character will happen with time. Discussion will turn that way, you'll get contractor updates if needed, etc.

[grim iris]

Awesome ty

[quasi nexus]

Bow seems terrible. Its so slow

And i think its the only weapon you cant just tap Y to attack, you have to hold it down for a second first

[fresh current]

Bow takes the most input skill of all the basic weapons to make it good

Dont feel too bad if it doesn’t click for you immediately

It gets better

[quasi nexus]

Im ok with it up to ||hades|| but then god its so slow

[fresh current]

To learn proper form with bow, practice always dash attacking and almost never regular attacking, and practice your powershots

Those two things together make a veeeeery large difference in how effective bow is or isn’t, especially base/zag bow

[quasi nexus]

Even dash attacking feels slow because you still have to hold down Y

[fresh current]

Time your powershots by observing your charge meter on the ground. When it flashes briefly, that’s your cue to release

[quasi nexus]

Im pretty good with powershots

[fresh current]

Try to do whatever you have to to your play, but try to play entirely around dash attacking and powershotting off of that

With special use as needed

That’s basic good form for Bow

[quasi nexus]

Ok

[fresh current]

Takes a little getting used to

[mighty raft]

Power shot takes muscle memory

[fresh current]

And definitely the most techskill-intense of the starting weapons to make work well at all

[quasi nexus]

I was using ||chiron|| but i havent levelled it up much yet

[fresh current]

But very, very powerful. Dont give up on Bow yet, just file it away in the back of your memory for a while

Bow is probably the latest-game weapon there is between its different mechanics and expensive upgrade tree

But the argument for best weapon in the game (by the best players in the game) is a 3 way brawl between users of different aspects of bow, fists and gun

so take that as you will

[quasi nexus]

I like the fists. Theyre fast

[fresh current]

Fists are excellent and new player friendly

Talos is fantastic for 1 blood

[quasi nexus]

I like the gun too

[fresh current]

Gun is great

Zag aspect gun is a cheap, effective murder machine for 5 blood

Eris is better, but zag does lots of the same work for 1/3 the price when you’re starting out

[quasi nexus]

1/3. I didnt realize the next aspect was so much more

[fresh current]

Mmhmmm

All zag aspects are like that. 5 blood to max

All other named aspects are between 15 and 16

[quasi nexus]

Ok

I maxed zag sword ||for skelly|| and its alright

[fresh current]

Yeah

The only “bad” zag aspect is spear

[quasi nexus]

I wasnt able to get the hermes boons recommended for it tho

[fresh current]

And unfortunately zag spear is kind of the worst aspect in the game

yeah hermes and zag sword are nutty

[leaden whale]

||Chaos is the best god||

[quasi nexus]

||I like demeter.|| Mainly just for her design but i like her personality too

[leaden whale]

||i feel like chaos is the strongest god tbh||

[misty ridge]

they're beyond the term ||god|| though

[leaden whale]

||YES why the call chaos "them" but it's only 1 person||

[grim iris]

Damn it is? Ive been having some fun with it. Whats the best?

[misty ridge]

||Chaos is the originator of all things in greek myth - aka no gender pronoun really as they're neither male nor female =w=||

[fresh current]

Best zag?

Hmmmmmm

Bow fists and gun

[misty ridge]

||Chaos came before everything else||

[fresh current]

Though zag shield is near and dear to my heart, and my personal favorite zag weapon

I play zag shield when it’s time to turn my brain off and have fun with this game

[quasi nexus]

I have 2 clears with the shield

[leaden whale]

||So he came before even the gods ?||

[quasi nexus]

Being able to block virtually anything and dash from far away, through an enemy, and then farther away still

It makes it easy lol

[fresh current]

I literally never touch the block button

[misty ridge]

||yes.. from chaos came the titans & the gods are the children of the titans||

[fresh current]

Blocking does not exist on the shield as far as I’m concerned

[grim iris]

@fresh current what do you recommend for the spear then?

[fresh current]

But I never begrudge those that do

[misty ridge]

||Chaos is a primordial being||

[fresh current]

For aspects Achilles is the universal choice

[leaden whale]

||SO THIS MEANS THATCHAOS IS THE GRANDFATHER OF ZAG ?||

[fresh current]

There are some hidden spear zealots, but Hidden Spear is Git Gud: The Weapon

[grim iris]

Ah ok

[fresh current]

So I don’t advise it for new players

[misty ridge]

||no, that would be Kronos - Titan of Time||

[grim iris]

Cool ill try it out ty

[misty ridge]

||in the messed up family tree that is the greek pantheon they might be likened to something of a greatgrandparent I guess? - it's so complicated||

[leaden whale]

||poseidon is the kindest god||

||i love this man||

[quasi nexus]

||Is there anything special left to do after beating hades the first time? I'm not sure how i feel that ive seen every area besides erebus and beaten the final boss but dont have the full story yet. Im worried there wont be anything special left to do to get the ending... I dont want spoilers, but is there any more to the game besides heat levels now?||

[misty ridge]

||story?||

[quasi nexus]

||but the story just reveals itself as you continue to beat hades however many more times + give nectars and talk to characters right? Like the ending will just kind of show up at some point without anything particularly grand or new before it?||

[leaden whale]

||is chaos a bad guy ?||

[misty ridge]

||there is a post-ending story that you have to unlock stuff for, but if you’ve already unlocked it then idk 🤷🏻‍♀️ ||

[misty ridge]

||I’d say Chaos is Chaotic Neutral||

[quasi nexus]

||the persephone story right?||

Ok, thanks

[misty ridge]

When a msg refuses to add a spoiler to itself
Stupid spoiler tags

[livid ledge]

||It’s mostly story. Not sure what level of spoilers you want.||

[quartz jungle]

Just unlocked ability to use titan bloods to upgrade weapons, think I’m going with the spear.. can anyone recommend good aspect/builds

I was thinking the aspect of zagreus sounded good.. and maybe Zeus? But not sure who to try and duo with? Or if I’m completely thinking wrong lol

[fresh tide]

With Zag Spear @quartz jungle ?

[quartz jungle]

Haven’t chosen aspect yet but was thinking maybe going zag spear:: don’t know if it’s any good tbh

[fresh tide]

I would say that most aspects/weapons are all 'good' but it does kind of depend on your play style a bit - which can change the more time you put in toward experimenting with Duo combos

Not deliberately trying to give you a non-asnwer

[hollow ledge]

Hades spear w/Ares (+Atremis Call)

That's what I use

[fresh tide]

Personally, I have a lot of fun with Poseidon/Zeus, focusing on the Special.

But it takes a lot to get that build off the ground.

[hollow ledge]

Poseidon/Zeus is also good, I use that combined with Chaos Shield

[fresh tide]

Off the top of my head, though.. I would say that pretty much all of the Zag aspects are very viable. I prefer to use Zag shield, bow, spear, and fists - for example.

Now that's not to speak towards.. like.. success. Once you get into Heat runs and such, things change.

[hollow ledge]

Poseidon cast with the cast-loading bow is great

[fresh tide]

See, stuff like that.. I haven't gotten that down. I've got about 200hrs in games and all of the casty aspects just feel.. off to me - there's this extra step for initiation.. -To be fair, though, I primarily play with keyboard and mouse which can make things feel awkward or different.

Regardless @quartz jungle - Its not a bad idea to just save your blood and continue to focus on feeling the weapons out. I play Hades for the fun of playing Hades - so while certain weapons/aspects may not be as viable as others, I took my time to figure out what was fun for me first and then journeyed on toward experimentation.

[quartz jungle]

Yeah I think I’m going to save, no point in burning up blood just yet. Really want to get my first escape finished but I doubt a few levels in an aspect will be the clincher lol

[fresh tide]

I wouldn't think so. If it helps at all, when I first started.. the shield was probably my least favorite weapon but I do believe it's the weapon I got my first clear with.

[prisma socket]

@quartz jungle - fwiw, 5 blood to max Zag aspects. ~15 for the rest.

[fresh tide]

Oh man I hadn't even considered that - that's an incredibly solid point.

[prisma socket]

@fresh tide - cast builds can be weird, but poseidon sword lets you use your cast as your main damage then the weapon is just for a quick reset or applying boons.

[fresh tide]

Oh that may be a good starting point for me.

[prisma socket]

Idk where Hera bow really shines. Haven't figured out a way to make it work in a way that grabs me.

For sword though, you just have to look at which cast you want to focus. Artemis Exit Wounds boon is also very good. The other gods generally have a cast-related boon that augments them (Demeter gives you +dmg & resist when you're empty, for example)

Poseidon's cast is probably my favorite for that.

[fresh tide]

Well I'll have to give that a go sometimes - thank you very much for your input there, my friend

[frigid matrix]

Hestia is really fun for me

[quartz jungle]

How many runs did it take you guys to get your first clear? I’m on 12 or 13 now and I am getting to Elysium quite easily but getting sucked by the chariots and spear guys lol

[frigid matrix]

I think I was 16 or so (actually I don't remember now)

don't worry bout it tho

[mighty raft]

Around 35 for me

[prisma socket]

12 for me. Each boss (incl. final) took me a couple tries to get past.

[fresh tide]

I think 50ish or so for me?

[prisma socket]

Theseus & Asterius the most 😑

[fresh tide]

Yep, same.

Took me probably 5-6 tries to get 3rd boss down

[steel isle]

Yes

[reef shoal]

How do I unlock the third-to-last song on the list? It's not available at the house contractor.

[stray terrace]

||im assuming its unseen ones?||

[normal viper]

Took me around 25. If you're dying to the chariots and stuff, id recommend just running from them until they slow down/stop chasing you. Then you can get some damage onto them

[uneven ledge]

it took me 25 because i had no idea how to make a decent build and just went by the pinned guide here

[uneven ledge]

you know ||extremer measures||?

[reef shoal]

ah I see.

[silent glade]

hey sup yall so i got hades yesterday and i wanted to know what is the best weapon in ur opinion i currently have every weapon and i do like more than the other the shield and the fists

[fresh tide]

So you prefer fists and shield?

I feel like it’s difficult for anyone to proclaim anything as best what with the level of RNG you experience throughout the game. Some of the most effective, op builds rely on a particular hammer or boon or duo

[old escarp]

It's mostly your own preference for what feels comfortable. The bow is my favourite

[fresh tide]

Yeah. For me - I really thoroughly enjoy the gameplay of the fists. It’s probably my favorite. How viable/effective is it later on as you play... eh it can get pretty dicey. I consistently fail my runs using the fists. But I’m okay with that because they’re so fun.

Overall, it does seem that the weapons and aspects with range have greater potential and longevity as you progress in difficulty - for sake of safety if nothing else.

So for me, fists and spear are my two favorites I think. As far as ranged goes.. I like the bow better than the rail.. but I’m better with the rail than I am the bow.

[dull storm]

u guys are good, it took me 40 or 45 tries to get my first clear

cause i played hyper aggressively

[fresh tide]

Saaaame

Never played a roguelike before so I didn’t know what I was doing. So I proceeded to just hack away like it was Diablo...

[dull storm]

i love this genre, still sucked hard at first

[uneven ledge]

i only made it to chamber 10 on my first run

[dull storm]

after I reset my game I did beat the game on my 13th attempt and am currently on a 10-win streak

[fresh tide]

Oh very nice

I haven’t dared to a new save yet, I want to finish all the contractor stuff I’ve put off

[urban hinge]

Do you get anything for starting a new save or is it ok to go on the same one until you finish everything?

[dull storm]

i went from epic to steam and wanted to reset for the achievements and the "proper 100%", i also wanted to start from a fresh save to see how I handle stuff after i've had over 200 escape attempts

didn't go as smoothy as I thought it would xD

[urban hinge]

I got my first escape before 10 attempts B)

[dull storm]

ur good

[uneven ledge]

once i've finally 100%ed this save file i might make a hell mode save

[urban hinge]

I have experience with roguelikes so i got the hang of the game pretty quickly

[dull storm]

i don't know how u guys do it, i couldn't even reach styx without maxing out the mirror talent that gives u 50hp

after that it was a smooth sailing

[urban hinge]

But it is a hard game

I like it

[uneven ledge]

i have over 100+ hours on gungeon and it still took me 25 runs to beat up ||dad||

then again i'm kinda more used to not having any permanent upgrades

[urban hinge]

True

It gets easier the more mirror stuff you have

3 death defiances is all you need to win every run

[uneven ledge]

except for ||32 heat|| where stubborn defiance is optimal

[dull storm]

i've always ran SD, as soon as I could afford it

[urban hinge]

Shut

[dull storm]

the pat boon is just too good

[urban hinge]

We dont talk about

The 🔥

Wait ||heat 32|| is spoilers 😳

[dull storm]

yes, anything from who the final boss onwards

which would technically make ||Demeter|| a spoiler, but im not sure on that one

[uneven ledge]

touch of styx dark is so good

[normal viper]

||dem|| is a spoiler in this channel yeah

[dull storm]

good, ||she|| was a nice surprise

i guess the only exception is ||weapon aspects||, right? ppl seem to mention them here all the time

[urban hinge]

Except the hidden ones I believe yes

[dull storm]

sure

[urban hinge]

Havent unlocked any myself 😭

[dull storm]

the initial conditions are not super straightforward, if u haven't looked them up

[urban hinge]

I have not

I havent looked or asked about anything because I wanna experience the game to its fullest by myself 😈

Exceot how the heck to use the Calls because I did not understand them at first

[dull storm]

that's what I did, it was great

[hollow ledge]

you know what's funny? At first I thought that to get someone's call, you need to get a dialogue with them saying something like: Yo here's my call Zag. Found out you can just take it from the selection later xddd

[urban hinge]

Ikr

And it doesnt properly explain how to use it or how it works

I didnt know the charge disappeared every room

Or how to fill it

[dull storm]

i've played fighting games with meter, so it made total sense to me

[urban hinge]

Not to me 😔

Also with my poor eyesight I didnt even notice the meter at the bottom at first

[hollow ledge]

that remind me of Clashes in Injustice 2

how it would drain your ult

[dull storm]

iirc, they didn't drain ur meter, u had to bet with it

[vocal sentinel]

i think its a little counterintuitive to only fill it up to 25% when theyre introduced but you can find out that it fills up by hitting enemies in the next room

and even if you dont notice it, often times "Press X to use call" pops up next to zag

[wind wigeon]

is this game worth buying for 35$ aus from a non bias pov

[dull storm]

yes

[wind wigeon]

why

[dull storm]

i was gifted the game on the Epic store, played it for nearly 40 hours

bought it recently on Steam at full price

u just get a lot of content for the money

the combat is fluid and extremely satisfying

there's no other roguelike quite like it

the storytelling is great

[wind wigeon]

does it compare to dead cells and is it worth getting if my performance won’t be great like my pc performance

[dull storm]

dead cells used to be my favorite roguelite

[wind wigeon]

also how many hours will i be able to play it for

[dull storm]

because of Hades i can't go back to dead cells

[wind wigeon]

yeah i enjoy it

oh? is that because hades is a lot better

[dull storm]

yes

i loved dead cells because of its combat, Hades makes dead cells look like an alpha game in that department

[wind wigeon]

wow ok

so how many hours will i get in the game

keep in mind i’m not very good at video games and especially pc as i plau console

[dull storm]

it really depends on how good u end up being, but at least 40-50 I would say

i play the game with a DS4 controller on PC, always have, it's great with a controller

40-50hrs at a minimum, if u like a challenge u'll get a lot more out of it

[fresh tide]

If you’re used to Xbox, most Xbox controllers should be plug and play for pc

[dull storm]

so is DS4 with this game

[wind wigeon]

oh cool i’ll use my controller and that’s not bad

is it better to use a controller

[dull storm]

yes

[pastel cipher]

it's personal preference

[wind wigeon]

alright cool

and is it still worth getting if my pc performance isn’t the besy

i use a laptop

that’s meant for school

[dull storm]

first make sure u can run it

or get it, try it and if the performance is less than ideal - refund

that's what the steam '2 hour' policy is for, more or less

[pastel cipher]

being from aus that play time thing doesn't matter as much

[wind wigeon]

oh ok, do you reckon it would go on sale in the rumoured lunar sale next week

i’m also from aus!

[pastel cipher]

something something Australian Consumer Laws

[wind wigeon]

wait does that mean it doesn’t apply

[pastel cipher]

yeah, kinda

[dull storm]

does that mean u can always refund?

[wind wigeon]

oh damm

[dull storm]

in aus

[wind wigeon]

so if i got it i can’t refund

is that what your saying?

[pastel cipher]

no, in aus if you have the game you can get a refund outside the steam 2 hour limit thing

but there's limitations to that, mostly regarding the why you're getting a refund

[wind wigeon]

oh i see

do you reckon id get it

like the refund

[vocal sentinel]

if you're not sure, wait for a sale!

[fresh tide]

Most modern hardware should run it fine, even if at somewhat reduced settings. I wouldn't say it's a very intensive game, even with a lot of enemies and effects. - It is generally recommended to play with a controller. I play with keyboard and mouse, personally but it has its faults

[wind wigeon]

when would a sale be

[vocal sentinel]

i think there's a sale soon

[wind wigeon]

yeah well to be fair i have a school laptop

do you wanna hear the specs @fresh tide

[fresh tide]

Sure, hit me

[vocal sentinel]

i think a potato could run hades

but im not sure

[uneven ledge]

shouldn't there be a "minimum specs" in the steam page?

[wind wigeon]

intel pentium silver N5000 1.10, UHD 605 and 8gb of ram

there is but idk how that compares to mine honestly

[pastel cipher]

yeah the only thing is the min specs don't specify what resolution and frame rate they're targetting

neither the recommended specs for that matter

[fresh tide]

Okay.. wait wait.. well let me ask you.. What OS is it running?

[wind wigeon]

windows 10

[fresh tide]

Should be fine, man

[wind wigeon]

lets go

[vocal sentinel]

do you play games on your laptop?

[wind wigeon]

that makes me hapy

yeah

[vocal sentinel]

what do you play

[wind wigeon]

minecraft mainly

thats about all i can run

[vocal sentinel]

if you can run minecraft, you can run hades no prob

[fresh tide]

I can run Hades on a 2011 macbook, which sports about the bare minimum requirements for hades

[wind wigeon]

i have to use badlion with everything turned down but yeah

how many fps @fresh tide

[vocal sentinel]

its not a taxing game. most indie games dont require a monster pc to play

[wind wigeon]

yeah im also thinking of getting terraria

ive heard i should be able to run that

[fresh tide]

Yeah, you could run Terraria.

[wind wigeon]

lets go

[uneven ledge]

from my experience the fps can be painfully choppy but far from unplayable

[fresh tide]

I'd say that generally most modern laptops, even the budget ones, can run games like those you've mentioned. Not only are they mostly low performance or otherwise not overly hardware intensive games but developers do a better job these days balancing the load between CPU and GPU instead of hard hitting one.

[uneven ledge]

games that look bad > games that look good

[vocal sentinel]

actually.. are you using java or bedrock? @wind wigeon

[wind wigeon]

im really glad i can run hades and terrariam, thanks everyone for helping me out today and java

im going to go watch anime bye

[vocal sentinel]

lol.. if you can run java, you're good

[uneven ledge]

yeah java runs like crap

[wind wigeon]

only with bad and settings down but yeah

[vocal sentinel]

its not that it runs like crap

[wind wigeon]

badlion

[vocal sentinel]

it's the fact its on java

which uses a lot of memory

and can be extremely taxing

[wind wigeon]

although just one thing i have 128mb of video ram and the min is 1gb will that be a problem

[pastel cipher]

possibly

[fresh tide]

Uh.. yeah.. that can be a problem.

[wind wigeon]

well

ok

yikes

what does that even do

[fresh tide]

It's kind of the same thing as RAM for your system but specified to your GPU. It's in large part the massive increase in VRAM in GPUs over the last 5 years that has kinda paved the way for the 4k gaming world.

[wind wigeon]

so do i need it for performance or does it make my game look better?

[fresh tide]

You need it for performance. Which means that it's not necessarily a deal breaker...

[wind wigeon]

god damm it

of course

well that sucks

[fresh tide]

There was a time when we played games on hardware that wasn't up to snuff - which generally meant it would heavily tax the rest of your system. But it was a norm and manageable at that time.

[pastel cipher]

so really try it and see if it's playable, the minimum/recommended specs list isn't reflective of every possible system config

[fresh tide]

Exactly

[wind wigeon]

yeah im waiting for next weeks sale but when that happens i will

well that should be all thanks again

[fresh tide]

Just a fair warning, Hades is a cheap game as it is so it's likely to only go down to $20 from $25

[pastel cipher]

so about 25$ AUD

[wind wigeon]

for me its 35

so saving 10 is worth it

i dont have much money

[fresh tide]

Ah right right right, forgot AU..

[wind wigeon]

unfortunately

[uneven ledge]

has it ever really gone below $20 usd?

[wind wigeon]

it may of during the christmas

[fresh tide]

No - I don't think it ever will.

[wind wigeon]

idk tho

[fresh tide]

It just wouldn't make sense.

[wind wigeon]

nvm

[sleek axle]

during the steam sale i think

[fresh tide]

Pyre is still $20 right now, for reference.

Bastion is finally down to $15

So no, I wouldn't see Hades going below $20 any time in the near future. People gotta be paid and we have to fund the next endeavor, I hope.

But chin up @wind wigeon - it's totally worth at least trying to see if your system can run it.

[muted latch]

Hades was $20 at 1.0 launch

I think most sales will be close to that

[fresh tide]

Yes, precisely.

[wind wigeon]

wait so are you saying it wont go on sale?

sorry

[fresh tide]

No no, I'm just saying that the sale won't be substantial that's all.

[wind wigeon]

ohhh

[fresh tide]

But I did forget about the AUD conversion and all. So it would be more worth while, perhaps.

[wind wigeon]

even if its like 5 or 10 id rather that

im getting it so i dont see why i wouldnt wait for a sale

[fresh tide]

Yeah, absolutely fair. - I was fortunate to receive a copy for free from a friend. I'd totally understand waiting for a sale, I'd generally do the same.

[wind wigeon]

thats pretty lucky, hes a nice friend and yeah, well alright cya

[fresh tide]

See you around, my friend

[wind wigeon]

yeah see ya around

[severe gazelle]

im learn a bit slow at first so uhh 34 or some i think

[vocal sentinel]

i think it was my 20th or 19th run

i play like an idiot so it took me a while

[normal viper]

19th run is very good lol

thats above average

[eager trench]

when I open the boon menu, what are these golden pins for? what do they do

[uneven ledge]

they highlight boons when your cursor isn't hovering over them, it's good for showing off your boons during a good run or after a run @eager trench

[stray terrace]

i bought hades for 20 bucks in december i think? during the sgg sale

[cerulean spade]

btw if yall are looking at prices and what not for the steam version (im not sure if another exists), you can google {game} steamdb to see how low it has ever been (ps currently the lowest was 20%)

[paper copper]

I'm trying to get better with builds not centered around deflect dash

I wish I didn't start off using it haja

[cyan vault]

Deflect is good for learning dash timing.

[cerulean spade]

tbf nothing wrong with selecting deflect dash, its one of the best dashes

[cyan vault]

And distance

Not to mention that sweet legendary

S-tier for sure

[cerulean spade]

you can just focus on not building around it, rather try out other builds (and if you see deflect dash, lucky run)

[vital kindle]

divine dash is usually something that just adds defensive capablities to your build, unless going for merciful end

so you usually dont build around divine dash per say

[paper copper]

I legit lol @ the whole Lernie bit

And yeah, but getting used to it first got me into this playstyle that doesn't mesh well with any build that doesn't have it lol

[vital kindle]

while divine dash is the most defensive dash, another strong dash is tidal dash which is on the more offensive side, so you may want to try that out to try different playstyles

[paper copper]

Yeah I tried tidal recently and really liked it. Its much stronger.

[vital kindle]

stronger is subjective but it definitely does more damage and is suited to an aggressive playstyle

[uneven ledge]

works nicely with rail

probs not on actual melee weapons, like the fists in particular

[vital kindle]

yea

it's used with rail to keep enemies away right?

[uneven ledge]

it deals good damage and the knockback prevents enemies from being able to hit you. not bad!

[vital kindle]

aight

[paper copper]

Its good with anything really if you get the rupture boon

Tho it is a little annoying chasing foes down w melee lol

I've been chasing merciful end for like 3 runs cause I wanna try thr combo

And I just can't get it lol

[sullen granite]

For merciful end, to trigger doom, do you need to actually deflect an attack, or just hit them with an ability that could deflect?

[mighty raft]

Actually hit them

[uneven ledge]

apply doom > hit target with deflecting ability that deals damage

basically anything except for call works

[mighty raft]

^^

[marble hill]

is cursed slash a great weapon change?

[uneven ledge]

i mean if you don't wanna beat the game

[mighty raft]

Not unless you have zag sword

With flurry slash meme run

[marble hill]

my other chocies are piercing wave and super nova

[mighty raft]

Piercing I guess

[paper copper]

God damn dude ||hades|| is so much harder than any of the rest of the game

[uneven ledge]

||it gets worse||

[normal viper]

you dont need to deflect anything, just hit them with anything that deflects

[uneven ledge]

the only boon in the game that has an effect that actually requires you to "deflect" something is deadly reversal

actually brilliant riposte too i guess

[paper copper]

Its kinda frustrating to be able to easily make it to the end every time and then it's such a spike :s

[vocal sentinel]

making cursed slash work requires too much work for a clear

unless you somehow got 9000 rerolls, it'll never be consistent

[sullen granite]

Okay, thanks!

[quasi nexus]

What so deflect damage doesnt require you to actually deflect?

[vocal sentinel]

no, you just hit with a move that has a deflect boon

that activates ME

[quasi nexus]

Yeah but other than ME

Like divine flourish, the deflect damage hits even if you dont deflect anything?

[drifting quartz]

Hey, does anyone know why I seem to get darkness instead of the usual reward (titan blood I think?) for beating the first boss? I really want the normal reward because I wanna try different weapon aspects

[paper copper]

No...

That's just for ME

[vocal sentinel]

oh, no, in that case deflect damage comes from deflecting

[quasi nexus]

Right ok

[paper copper]

Dude going after specific duos seems pointl3ss

Its so hard

[quasi nexus]

If you already beat him once you only get darkness after that if you are using the same weapon on the same heat level

[vocal sentinel]

is this your first run?

[drifting quartz]

oh

[vocal sentinel]

before you unlock the heat system, you can get titan blood with each weapon

and aspect (i think)

[drifting quartz]

k thanks

[paper copper]

What were the first build you guys were able to do ||hades|| with

[quasi nexus]

I dont think different aspects give blood

[paper copper]

Cause I beat once. Got there like 70000 times tho

[quasi nexus]

Zag shield with ares on special and ||demeter on dash|| iirc

[vocal sentinel]

i think it was a chiron hangover build

[faint jewel]

I beat them whith some garbage shield of chaos build. 😄

[uneven ledge]

looking at this image now i'm so viscerally pissed at myself for not getting divine flourish instead i had the perfect setup for merciful end

[paper copper]

Sigh.

[elfin stream]

spoiler the above please @marble hill

the final boss is a spoiler in this channel 🙂

[leaden whale]

Yee im staying out of here til i beat it tbh

[old escarp]

Victory screenshots belong in #h1-victory-boasting

[elfin stream]

a wise decision @leaden whale. Although spoilers are moderated here (as in, this channel), things do slip from time to time until a mod catches. frankly, mods have lives too and can't watch this discord 24/7

I did the same thing.

[leaden whale]

I was about to ask a question that was a light spoiler too so meh

I prob beat it today

[old escarp]

You can ask and just put it in spoiler tags

[humble ore]

ME build on Fists with Doom on attack, deflect on special and dash, and Dire Misfortune to add more damage and the boss’ health go bye bye

[fresh current]

I cheesed him with doom on either the spear or bow special my first time, I forget which 🙈

Play Lame Win Game

[knotty grail]

Let's say I'm on || heat level 5 (which means I did all Bounties to level 5), and I'm doing level 10. Will I get all previous bounties (from 5-9) in retroactive manner ||?

Also, is attack Damage effect Dash attack ?:-)

[fresh current]

no

the game will only ever dispense rewards one level at a time

You can only get 100% of a single run's rewards over a single run, never a % more

completing at a higher level than necessary will just cycle the counter to the next eligible level until everything is caught up

[knotty grail]

I see. Thanks!

[rocky tapir]

hello

[cyan vault]

Talos fist with plume. I forget the specifics, but I was flying (relative to previous attempts) and picked up rush delivery as well so I was getting more damage than ever before by a wide margin. I think it was attempt 49.

[wind wigeon]

hi guys, im sorry i have to ask this but would anyone happen to have a spare account with hades on it, im trying to see if i can run it and i dont wanna buy it and then not be able to play, im from aus so idk if the return thing works for me, sorry if im being annoying

[urban hinge]

You can check the requirements for the game if you haven't done that yet

[wind wigeon]

i have, but im still not sure honestly

thanks anyway though

[urban hinge]

Can't you refund it if it doesn't work anyways?

[wind wigeon]

im from aus so idk if that still works

[urban hinge]

what

why wouldn't refunding work?

[pallid crypt]

https://store.steampowered.com/steam_refunds/ check this, Steam has a 2 hour policy

[wind wigeon]

i think theres something called australian consumer law

[pallid crypt]

Oh? What sets it apart? I have difficulties seeing that return policy not being able to work anywhere in the world as long as you can get a refund somehow (maybe to your steam wallet? idk)

I mean, worst case scenario you put money into your steam wallet if you can't runt he game at an acceptable level

[wind wigeon]

yeah true

ill just wait for next weeks sale and then buy it

[urban hinge]

good luck :)

[pallid crypt]

I have 268.5 hours into it, approaching to be my most played on steam, it's a good game I think

[urban hinge]

I agree

[old escarp]

Yeah I guess it's pretty ok

[pastel cipher]

Australian consumer law in a nutshell is, if the thing don't work as advertised you're entitled to a refund

[formal rover]

yeah it should actually be easier to get a refund in a australia

or rather, you should be able to get one in more situations

[brisk river]

I have a question I noticed keepsakes can rank up but I have a 3 star rank and the stats don't seem to have changed at all Is there any benefit for gaining ranks with keepsakes ?

[formal rover]

the benefits always increase with rank

which keepsake is it?

[brisk barn]

https://hades.gamepedia.com/Keepsakes The stats do get better when you rank them up

[brisk river]

okay yeah it was harpy feather duster the values of the higher ranks were so low i didn't realize it had increased what does this game have against healing XD

[formal rover]

yeah... harpy feather duster is not one of the best keepsakes imo

[brisk river]

The healing thing tho is kinda starting to turn me off If you compare Hades to say Dead Cells you have two very brutal demanding games but the latter still had significant mechanisms for health re gen while still balancing it out which gives less technical players builds that allow them to take damage knowing they can make up the difference later which Hades does but only with certain abilities and not in a very meaningful way. I assume thing get better after unlocking Stubborn Defiance but still. Later on the issue involves not having nearly as much freedom to dodge and evade due to area hazards which makes the problem even worse in my opiniom. So you essentially need to rely on the god mode to actually make you survive unless your exceptionally skilled at reading npc movements and timing

I am not that far along yet So i am kinda more regeneration options will unlock later

[glass flower]

I don't want to sidetrack, but does anyone else have a leveling problem with feather duster? I took it into Asphodel with 24 encounters until rank 2 and when I swapped it out it said 18 until rank 2, so it looks like it leveled up half as fast as it's supposed to. I could've been mistaken, but if it happens again I'll report it

[brisk river]

I got it to 3 by just doing the first few levels over and over

Speaking of health the few times I have managed to beat the first Fury I was annoyed that the room between levels didn't heal you fully ..... I would argue that clearing a boss really should ...

[glass flower]

If you're having mobility issues, you should get the double dash ability, it's very helpful if you don't already have it

[brisk river]

the main issue is that its a complete crap shoot which thing you can get

there is no way to intelligently build

[glass flower]

Dashing twice a mirror ability

[brisk river]

it was ?

[glass flower]

That's why you use god keepsakes, they're very good if used right

[brisk river]

i might not have unlocked it yet

ill check

[errant bramble]

Sounds like you’re making a lot of assumptions based on little playtime. Do what you like. But you don’t need to use god mode to survive no matter who you are

[glass flower]

For example, if you use Athena she'll usually give you a deflecting dash, which is very useful

[errant bramble]

I promise I am not exceptionally skilled at anything

[loud canopy]

asphodel is the shortest region at 10 chambers, and keepsakes only level up if you clear a room of enemies. If you take all the charon rooms and get Eurydice, that might only put you at 6 rooms cleared

[glass flower]

Especially against witches, Furies, and skeleton bombers

[glass flower]

Oh, I hadn't thought of that. I only take Charon before the boss, but always visit Eurydice

I'll equip it again and count the number of enemy encounters this time

[brisk river]

@errant bramble Yes I am I am just stating my observations so far I do expect to get better as time goes on but it is kinda frustrating at how slow my progress has been so far

[glass flower]

By the way, about not being healed fully after bosses, another mirror ability gives you 30 (60 if upgraded) percent of the Darkness you get in health. That's 30 extra health back after Meg. It's one of the yellow abilities (if you click an upgrade or the symbol on the left it swaps for a different one)

[loud canopy]

and yeah, the game wants you to focus on being able to dodge attacks a lot more than tanking them. it's why melee enemies tend to have big windups to telegraph their attacks, and ranged ones have slower projectiles. Even enemies with fast projectiles tend to "tell" you when theyre going to attack

[brisk river]

yeah I never have issues dodging the melee enemies

[loud canopy]

especially with ||the final boss, who can do up to 40(!) damage per hit||

[brisk river]

its always the witches out of sight that fire projectiles that sneak up on you

or those laser crystals

[loud canopy]

for the witches, athena is very useful
and the crystals also have a slow turning radius; moving perpendicular can be enough to get out

[glass flower]

Those crystals were really annoying at first, it makes it easier if you go up to them and attack as quick as you can

[glass flower]

Yes, if you dodge the initial laser it's easy to run up to them. They don't have much health, either

[brisk river]

for me its never the individual enemy but when things start getting spammy and tanky at the same time and you cant get rid of the trash as quickly which leads to projectiles building up to bullet hell levels

[glass flower]

Which weapon do you use? I always used the sword at first, but I'm much better with the spear now. Having to run up to every enemy might be making it harder

[brisk river]

Mostly I have been focusing on darkness so I pick whichever weapon the fates have decided will grant me a bonus that day

[glass flower]

That's the best way to do it, yeah

[brisk river]

but I am partial to Exagryph because it allows me to keep my distance more eaisly and if I luck out and get triple shot for the grenades

[loud canopy]

same. keeps me on my toes, although Exagryph has been my best performer

[glass flower]

What's the farthest you've gotten so far?

[brisk river]

Spear is evil if you get a lot of Aphrodite's bonuses

only one or two rooms past the first fury

i usually dodge into lava

[eager abyss]

Achilles spear is pretty good for aggressive playstyle

[brisk river]

9 times out of 10 if i get past the fury I burn to death in lava

[eager abyss]

yea dodging lava is a whole new technique when reaching asphodel

[glass flower]

Yeah, that's trouble. That's why double dash is so useful. You're invincible during dash, and lava takes a second to take effect, so you can dash in and out pretty easily

[eager abyss]

I've lost DD to it

[glass flower]

Consider a Hermes boon if you get the option. His keepsake doesn't let you get his boon so when he comes is entirely random, but one of his boons is an extra dash (or multiple)

[brisk river]

does anyone have a guide to casting i have not really figured out when to use it

[eager abyss]

Hermes gets offered in rooms twice in a run and one in shop in Styx sometimes

[brisk river]

Right now i use the feather duster for healing items

[glass flower]

Depends on whether it's base cast or a boon enhanced one

[brisk river]

Dusa is best snek

[eager abyss]

cast works well with boiling blood, hit the big mob with it and deal +50%

[glass flower]

Not a bad idea to quickly sink all 3 (or 2) into an enemy near you if you know you can kill it, since you get them all back when they die

Against Meg, just shoot at her constantly whenever you get them back and try not to miss

[brisk river]

I have the timed regen so its not that big a deal

[glass flower]

Also, gods can help very much by giving you casts. Harpy feather duster is a good keepsake if you don't have much health, but Ares' cast is one of the best if you can get him to offer it

[brisk river]

Another question Is it ever worth Chaos Boons? I mean in and of themselves they provide a benefit for an initial drawback

[glass flower]

I don't know how often he does, though

[brisk river]

however the initial cost of life to access seems like overkill

[formal rover]

chaos boons are very good

[brisk river]

yeah .... but still when they all come with a drawback why add the life cost

[glass flower]

How much life do they take and how much do you have? I forget if it's a flat cost or percentage

[formal rover]

they're still worth it even with the penalties

most of the time

[brisk river]

think its 25 fixed

[formal rover]

its random

21-25 or something

[glass flower]

Usually 21 for me, but I have 100 base health

How much do you have?

[brisk river]

oh 21

sorry

usually less i usually find one healing item in the jars

[glass flower]

If you have 50-60 I wouldn't recommend Chaos boons. Sometimes the 3 choices aren't even that great, and you lose the life as well as being weakened for a few encounters

[formal rover]

its not based on how much health you have, it just randomly chooses a number within that range

might be 21-24 actually

[glass flower]

If your average run is about 15 chambers, a boon that penalizes you for 3-5 of them won't be worth it in the long run

[formal rover]

yeah don't get me wrong; chaos boons can absolutely be dangerous and its definitely a good idea to be cautious if you're worried about dying

but their effects can also be very powerful

[timber jungle]

imo use chaos if you know you can play, lets say without a special or getting hit by traps

[brisk river]

Btw based on the codex it looks like you can give gifts to Chaos and gain a keepsake but he does not seem to actually be present in the area as a character

[glass flower]

Yeah, some of them dramatically increase resource rewards

Chaos shows up every time you accept a boon, like the gods

[brisk river]

so you cant actually encounter him as a character to talk to

[glass flower]

Not outside of a run, no

[brisk river]

so how do you give them gifts for keepsakes

or cant you

[glass flower]

Before you accept the boon

[formal rover]

you can gift before you except the boon

save as with olympians

[timber jungle]

chaos acts like a god boon, gift nectar when you go in

[glass flower]

There's an option to gift

[timber jungle]

^

[brisk river]

I wonder if gifts are locked to specific progress in the storyline

I had one but could not actually see the option

[formal rover]

they can be locked yeah

[muted latch]

You can't gift chaos the first time you meet them

[old escarp]

Same goes for any NPC/god - always have to have talked to them at least once

[brisk river]

Oh you were right about Athena

Got the special Deflect ability if you wait for Meg to fire the storm of purple missile stand infront of one of the projectile lines and throw the spear they all go straight back at her and hit with the force of a truck

I like this combo

[glass flower]

Yes, it's one of the best boons there is. You can even deflect bombs in Asphodel, but it's more difficult

[brisk river]

also got a daedulus hammer 400% to armor

this is pretty impressive

[glass flower]

That one's extremely useful against minibosses

[brisk river]

Got a good bit into elysium in that run

[urban hinge]

Nicely done

[glass flower]

Good one, was that your first time fighting the Hydra?

[unreal tulip]

how do i get the last keepsake

n how to unlock the secret stash

[errant bramble]

Play more

[urban hinge]

secret

🤫

[brisk river]

@glass flower Yes and honestly I think hydra is much weaker than meg XD or at least has less add spam and is easier to avoid

Also I am using Cast alot more

[unreal tulip]

yo so let me get this straight

i've won hdes 4 times

sooooo wth am i suppose dto do

[sleek axle]

Keep going

[unreal tulip]

dam

im really thirsty for new contents man

[waxen basin]

You've only beaten final boss 4 times

You haven't even finished old content

[unreal tulip]

oh wait

wth

nt even the old one ?

[waxen basin]

Youve still need to get to the credits and epilogue

[unreal tulip]

omg

[eager abyss]

4 times is nowhere near the end

[unreal tulip]

fk man

sry , i jus started back

[eager abyss]

you'll have fun

[unreal tulip]

what do we get for winning consecutively

[eager abyss]

bragging rights probs

[unreal tulip]

oh LOL

[silk swift]

A streak

[unreal tulip]

is fated authority or persuasion btr ?

[eager abyss]

I used authority at the start to get the gods I liked but moved on to persuasion to make sure I get the specific build I want for the run

most people use persuasion I believe

[hollow ledge]

Wait, what does persuasion do?

[sleek axle]

reroll boons

[hollow ledge]

Ok i need that

I need that Artemis ult man...

But no, I would get everything except that damn call

[vocal sentinel]

at a certain point in the game, keys give you rerolls, nectars give you half poms, and darkness gives max health. Is there something else that talent does?

[hollow ledge]

Xd

[vocal sentinel]

like gems, and what not?

[hollow ledge]

Gems give money if I'm right

[vocal sentinel]

oh, interesting

last time i checked it didnt give me anything so maybe i didnt notice

[hollow ledge]

I finished the lounge yesterday

Looks nice

Also started ||romance with Meg||

I want all the ||pets, so I gotta "romance" both Dusa and Than while romancing Meg||

[vocal sentinel]

wait, so it's not a talent/

[dull storm]

it is

and it's not half poms

it's regular poms

[vocal sentinel]

i mean the half poms that you get from the shop

[dull storm]

oh

[vocal sentinel]

+1 to random boons

[vocal sentinel]

which one is it/.

[dull storm]

"nectars give u half poms" is incorrect

is what i was correcting

[vocal sentinel]

i mean

which talent is the get rerolls in key rooms?

[dull storm]

it's a contractor upgrade

[vocal sentinel]

oh, so not a talent, got it

[dull storm]

yep, all those things mentioned are contractor upgrades

i'll tag them just in case, although i think u can get them pretty early

[vocal sentinel]

i somehow completely forgot

[dull storm]

but once u give ||2 diamonds to the contractor to take a break, all those contractor upgrades will show up - they also cost diamonds||

[vocal sentinel]

i had them, i wasnt sure if it was a talent or not

[dull storm]

they're quite useful

until i unlock all of those i usually don't spend diamonds on anything else

[vocal sentinel]

yeaah

there isnt much to spend diamonds on anyway

[dull storm]

ambrosia is what I mostly use them on after the contractor upgrades

||songs|| also require quite a bit, but I don't really bother with them early

[upper mason]

What "fated" upgrade should I get first?

[desert granite]

I use Persuasion usually but honestly Authority is better. Sometimes the game has an annoying habit of basically forcing the exact same boons on you regardless of how much you reroll. Might be a bug.

[eager abyss]

depends on how early in a game you are , I think as authority is cheaper, it's more accessible and you can change rooms to get the gods boons

persuasion is good when you need to get a build right, or when you get really bad boons, or trying to avoid certain boons

[upper mason]

I still haven't beaten the final boss but I've gotten pretty decent. If I die it's either to Theseus or the final boss plus I had a really good run that boosted my darkness gain by a lot so I can afford persuasion

[grizzled ledge]

I just wanna say. I've been playing for 5 hours. My first time. I got past the first area and all that stuff. Skelly is thee CUTEST NPC. I love his character

[normal viper]

Wait till you meet some other characters

Lol

[grizzled ledge]

Its such an awesome game. Its a bit frustrating to get so far and then die to that horrible skeleton snake thing but anyways. We shall soldier along

[normal viper]

I see you're at the bone hydra

How dare you call him horrible?! He's cute

[misty ridge]

They not cute

They adorable

[faint jewel]

Hades somehow manages to mix cute and mature and make it work

[uneven ledge]

soul catchers aren't cute

[grim iris]

||do i need to gift Bouldy Nectar to advance Sisyphus’ story/hearts?||

[uneven ledge]

no

he just gives you little boosts

but don't underestimate bouldy, +2% increase on obols earned goes a long way

[sleek axle]

That ambiguity bonus hittin 😩

[uneven ledge]

sometimes though he might actually give a considerable boost, like +10% movement speed

ambiguity bonus 😩 👌

[sleek axle]

1% special damage 😩 💯 💯

[uneven ledge]

bouldy flourish 😳

[west patio]

Aspect of bouldy would be nice

[hexed raven]

Dang, nothing could have prepared me for my first Extreme Measures final boss.

I had 4 death defiances, +400 health, and the Rail but couldn't pull it off.

Should have maxed out my aspect

[grim iris]

Ty

Why would one use God’s Pride when you can use God’s Legacy? Am i crazy?

[uneven ledge]

gods' pride is nice if you're not going for duos/legendaries

[grim iris]

Hmm but wouldnt either be better than Epic?

[marble hill]

I'm wondering when ||companions|| come along. I have beaten ||hades|| twice. I'm tempted to look this up but I also like surprises. Is it coming soon? I have maxed out a few ||relationships||

[uneven ledge]

sometimes you'd rather have epic last stand than deadly reversal

[muted latch]

legendary or duos are not necessarily what you need

[grim iris]

Gotcha

Ty

Although arent all legendaries just better epics?

I suppose the chance of a duo can mess things up

[muted latch]

no

legendaries are unique boons

they are not a higher tier of a certain boon

[grim iris]

Ohh!

I didnt know that

[pallid crypt]

||It's not all characters that give companions, no olympian god does, for example||

[grim iris]

I guess it all depends on what youre trying to build. I need to read more about legendaries

[marble hill]

||so raising a relationship with a God just opens more dialogue?||

[dull storm]

not just that, but i'll leave it at that

[pallid crypt]

There is a point to do so, but I won't spoil anything for you as to why you'd want to do it 😄

[dull storm]

if I were you I wouldn't look up companions, but if I REALLY want to know i would still ask a specific question here (and get a very specific answer) rather than looking it up

google has the nasty habit of spoiling everything

[prisma socket]

||It's not tied to narrative progress, but progress with different individuals. Not the Olympians (who progress does matter beyond dialogue), but generally just the person giving you the companion, anyone tied into their situation, and then one specific person who has been helping you skirt things this whole time||

That's best way to describe it without spoiling anything I think.

[grim iris]

Whats the general consesus on Olympian Favor vs. Dark Foresight?

[uneven ledge]

dark foresight gets you better runs

favor is potentially a better choice only for runs where you're farming meta currencies like gemstones

[grim iris]

Wait isnt foresight the one that gives currencies?

[uneven ledge]

foresight increases the chance of getting gold laurel rewards

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/520688402958516254/660997121406926849/hades_room_rewards_guide.png?width=600&height=366

[grim iris]

Oh i would have figured favor would give you better runs with that 40% increase in rare boons

[uneven ledge]

quantity over quality

[grim iris]

Gotcha ty

[silver iris]

hey i got a question how come my death defience (ik my grammar is trash) doesnt work at the bone hydra

[spice kraken]

What do you mean?

Do you die automatically when you die at Hydra?

[mighty raft]

You might be using stubborn defiance

[spice kraken]

Most likely.

I wouldn't recommend using it tho. I used it once and that was for the prophecy

[mighty raft]

SD is only good if you have ||lasting consequences|| on

otherwise it is useless

[spice kraken]

True

[mighty raft]

SD is really good at high heat

I would use it if either you are losing a dd every chamber at high heat or if you have LC4 on

[dull storm]

SD is definitely not useless

it's for ppl who struggle with rooms, but not bosses

[fresh tide]

That’s a good way of putting it/looking at it @dull storm

I’d never thought of it that way but that clicks to me. For those that have boss mechanics down to a method but are more threatened by rooms as the difficulty rises.

[dull storm]

i've always used SD, DD was not efficient for me

meaning I would get poked here and there way too much, poor hp management throughout the course of an attempt

and bosses rarely even hit me

[fresh tide]

I’m heavily reliant on DD, always have been. But when I’ve played with SD, I’ve always liked it. I think I should put more time in with SD. Worst case it’ll encourage me to play boss fights better.

[dull storm]

not to mention patty's boon for SD is straight up "cheating"

[light grove]

does touch of styx dark also stack with the regular touch of styx from the well?

[dull storm]

should stack additively

[light grove]

dang

[dull storm]

but the well one is sort of useless if u already have patty's

keep in mind patty's is also additive with the default value

[prisma socket]

...who is that?

[fresh tide]

Patroclus

I think?

[mighty raft]

Patty SD is broken

[dull storm]

indeed

[wind wigeon]

can i run hades on this https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/H2VRy4

[gray haven]

@wind wigeon yeah, should be no problem.

[wind wigeon]

sick

[silver iris]

nah im not like when i get to the hydra im using death defience but i still die of rip

im even using the bone guys tooth

[waxen sapphire]

fair warning, thiat infographic is extremely outdated

[silver iris]

ohhhh nvm guys

i was using stubborn for some reason

[brisk river]

I have found Artemis's Greater calling is amazing in boss fights

It takes a while to charge but its basically all crit damage

Hey Artemis you see that Boss health bar ... I don't want to see it anymore

[fresh current]

What’s outdated in it? Does all that info still not apply?

[waxen sapphire]

i suppose most of it is still accurate, it's just that i originally posted it partway into early access

[fresh current]

Ohhhhhhh, it’s yours. I see lol

[humble ore]

Randomly decided to do ||Tight Deadline|| at max and completed it first try... got ME combo on shield in asphodel and the game was over

[novel crown]

Does bouldy have a keepsake/trinket i gave him... it... bouldy a nectar and i got nothing. ||he is just a boulder|| but is there a keepsake from bouldy

[balmy stump]

hes bouldy

you need nothing more

[eager abyss]

trust in him

[balmy stump]

and he'll trust in you

[eager abyss]

when you believe in bouldy, bouldy believes in you

he lives on

[novel crown]

hmm

[eager abyss]

no joke tho that's actually what happens

[novel crown]

so do i give bouldy all my nectar or not

[balmy stump]

yea he just gives you very tiny buffs and a wonderful portriat

i mean if you want +2% cast damage

[eager abyss]

not all give it once you have enough nectars

or 2% ambiguity bonus

[balmy stump]

yeaaaa

its funny

early game id say no

spend the nectar on gods for trinkets

but once you have a lot then he becomes a nectar sponge

[novel crown]

i have all the trinkets except for spoiler and dad

[balmy stump]

how are relationships??

[novel crown]

no one wants to love me

[balmy stump]

i focus on romance first then gods for the 2nd ending

[novel crown]

i've given most of my nectar to sisyphus, eurydice, and patroclus

and no one wants to love me

[eager abyss]

the last I gave was Hypnos 😂

[novel crown]

all my homies hate Hypnos

[balmy stump]

the romance options are ||than, meg, dusa|| :/

[novel crown]

Hypnos needs to tell himself how to parry that, fricking casula

[balmy stump]

and you get ||companion trinkets|| from ||achilles, sisyphus, skelly||

[novel crown]

oddly specific but k.

[balmy stump]

the romance options also give you those so like focus on those 6 first i wuold say

[novel crown]

danke shun

[muted latch]

small nit pick, 256GB SSD for about 50 bucks kinda sucks, you can find 500GB ones for not much more

[wind wigeon]

how much more?

[muted latch]

20-30 AUD give or take

Crucial P2 500GB for 75