#h1-for-new-players | Supergiant Games | Page 266

marble shadow Jan 31, 2021, 9:23 PM

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rng dictates that you do 2-3 times most frequently

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:23 PM

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What you’re looking for is a path that terminates in a sack and a fountain

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You will find the sack between chambers 2 and 5

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:23 PM

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the thing is i am new to this game and i am not sure if i HAVE TO do the small rooms before i can get to hades

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:23 PM

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Paths*

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You have to do the small rooms until you find the sack

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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oh ok. yeah i found that one

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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The sack let’s you move the good boi out of the way and proceed to the final boss

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You are clear then

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Once you have the sack the other rooms are optional

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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the fountain which heals you ?

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Yes

devout cape Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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yup

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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oh god, so i was able to go to hades lol

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Only 1 in Styx, always spawns together with the sack

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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i did the other ones too and died

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:24 PM

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Yes

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Well now you know lol

devout cape Jan 31, 2021, 9:25 PM

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that's how I learned too lol

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 9:25 PM

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Sacks can happen between your 2nd and 5th chamber paths. You will never find one first time by

burnt snow Jan 31, 2021, 9:27 PM

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omg. ok thx. well, now i know 😄

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 9:36 PM

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Aside from aesthetics should i be saving my gemstones for anything?

woven stump Jan 31, 2021, 9:41 PM

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grim iris Aside from aesthetics should i be saving my gemstones for anything?

Some renovations unlock further as you're playing that actually help your escape attempts so those are worth prioritizing for

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Check the broker, sometimes you can trade gems for something way better

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Otherwise no nothing fancy

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 9:42 PM

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Get cerb his toy and matt

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Then you can save them

rich moon Jan 31, 2021, 10:02 PM

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hiii

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so I have a question

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what is the best mirror config?

marble shadow Jan 31, 2021, 10:03 PM

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pour your soul and money into privileged status

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 10:03 PM

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woven stump Some renovations unlock further as you're playing that actually help your escape...

Oh really? Are you referring to the coin boosts via urn renovation?

glass flower Jan 31, 2021, 10:06 PM

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I've been ignoring privileged status, enemies never seem to have 2 status effects

tribal adder Jan 31, 2021, 10:09 PM

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whats the difference between a boons rarity and a boons level

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just sorta thought about it bc of eurydice's gifts

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 10:10 PM

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rich moon what is the best mirror config?

They are all good in a way so it depends on what you're talking, for starting id say death defiance

glass flower Jan 31, 2021, 10:10 PM

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I'd go with Greater Reflex, Death Defiance, Thicker Skin, and Infernal Soul. Not necessarily in that order, especially if they aren't all unlocked yet

glass flower Jan 31, 2021, 10:11 PM

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sterile solar They are all good in a way so it depends on what you're talking, for starting id...

Yeah, or Stubborn Defiance. Depends on your personal needs

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 10:12 PM

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Correct

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I'd say for starting death defiance is better

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Thats why I said it depends

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Stubborn defiance is more of a high heat thing

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And preference as well

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Bringing me back back my point, there's no best mirror talent

marble shadow Jan 31, 2021, 10:14 PM

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What does SD do actually

fierce lance Jan 31, 2021, 10:15 PM

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is doom better on attack when using a shield or is deflect better

uneven slate Jan 31, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Stubborn Defiance can revive you once per room.

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:17 PM

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Mmmmnnnn

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Its the worst when you wanna push and you just don't get the rng

marble shadow Jan 31, 2021, 10:17 PM

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fierce lance is doom better on attack when using a shield or is deflect better

The former requires you to get at least 2-3 ares boons to make full use of it, while deflect is still decent and requires nothing else

fierce lance Jan 31, 2021, 10:18 PM

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alright i'll keep deflect then

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i have doom on my special and it deals extra damage when used multiple times

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:19 PM

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I rly like when hades says things like you are an embarrassment bc it is so relatable

fierce lance Jan 31, 2021, 10:19 PM

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lol

fierce lance Jan 31, 2021, 10:20 PM

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fierce lance alright i'll keep deflect then

i think deflect will also help with the ||hades fight cause i keep getting him down to around 1/4 of his health bar and then use up all my death defiances||

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I usually start with deflect then go on to not get a single thing I would like.

woven stump Jan 31, 2021, 10:31 PM

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grim iris Oh really? Are you referring to the coin boosts via urn renovation?

Yeah and heating rooms and stuff. A few things come up

glass flower Jan 31, 2021, 10:32 PM

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Deflect is good on it's own, takes witches from a huge pain to trivial

woven stump Jan 31, 2021, 10:32 PM

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glass flower Deflect is good on it's own, takes witches from a huge pain to trivial

Theworst

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Witches circle with no deflect residentzag

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:33 PM

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Oof

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Theres a few hiding spots in that room lol

dull storm Jan 31, 2021, 10:33 PM

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it's fun

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it's a lesson in dancing

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:34 PM

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Ye

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In the 2nd level

dull storm Jan 31, 2021, 10:35 PM

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another problem for no deflect runs is when you get a bunch of ||archers|| in the final fight

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:35 PM

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At the ||singing woman||

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Should you go for ||inc rarity or inc level?||

dull storm Jan 31, 2021, 10:36 PM

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||rarity is usually better, not many things can upgrade rarity||

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but, if u have a ton of boons chances are u aren't gonna get ||upgrades on the right boons||

paper copper Jan 31, 2021, 10:38 PM

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True

glass flower Jan 31, 2021, 10:41 PM

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I like to get the ||Nectar||, personally. The fact that it affects the future Boons makes me feel like I have more control over it

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Also, upgrades 3 instead of 2

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 10:58 PM

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I’m torn.

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Nectar is nice but won’t impact those base boons that make up the build.

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If you can leave with heroic trippy shot, why wouldn’t you.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:00 PM

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In the boon tree what is the difference between the ones down the left side of the tree and the rest? Secondly, whats the difference between a boons rareity and level?

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Left is all the tier 1 boons and you can only have one for each slot.

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You can sometimes replace it with another tier one of the next rarity rank.

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Rarity is like the base damage level.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Can further explain what the tier means?

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:03 PM

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Blue is rare. Slightly more powerful than white. Purple is epic which is above blue, and red is heroic and the top end of the base number.

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Example is divine dash goes white 10 damage, blue 12, purple 14, red 16.

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From there you can level up the boon through various methods of or@relating to poms.

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Leveling up the boon further increases the impact.

long moss Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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So an Epic can also have levels?

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Usually this comes with diminishing returns.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Like level 2 Epic?

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Yup!

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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Ah ok

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:06 PM

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The lvl scales off the rarity so a higher rarity grows more per level.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:07 PM

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So if a Divine Dash blue does 12 and a Divine Dash purple does 14 what does a Divine Dash blue level 2 do?

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Generally speaking though, the diminishing returns and spread of poms over many boons means you want to try to get a few poms early and not necessarily pump up boon levels.

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:08 PM

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grim iris So if a Divine Dash blue does 12 and a Divine Dash purple does 14 what does a Di...

Not sure of the exact number. Honestly wouldn’t be putting a pom on divine dash.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Gotcha

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:09 PM

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It isn’t a primary damage source.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:09 PM

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Ahhh ok

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Makes sense

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:10 PM

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Poms on hangover and Pressure point is almost always a good call though.

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They have such low base numbers that the diminishing returns are almost nonexistent.

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Got it

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:11 PM

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grim iris Can further explain what the tier means?

Tier could also mean something else. For example one of ares core boons deals doom. A tier 2 boon would be impending doom which takes the core boon and makes it better(makes it so that the doom deals more but has more delay)

errant bramble Jan 31, 2021, 11:11 PM

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I dunno about 1% crit per Pom being worthwhile

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But I do agree with your general statement

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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So what makes a tier boon different than a regular boon

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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1% added to 3% is a 75% increase.

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Wait.

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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grim iris So what makes a tier boon different than a regular boon

it makes the regular boon better

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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33%

errant bramble Jan 31, 2021, 11:12 PM

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1% crit added to your total dps is the number you should be concerned with

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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It adds a new element to the previous boon

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Still. Hard to find a better return on a Pom.

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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It basically makes the core boon better

errant bramble Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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So every 100 hits on average, you get 1 more double damage hit

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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By adding a different thing to it

errant bramble Jan 31, 2021, 11:13 PM

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Which is not even a 1% dmg increase

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Whereas a Pom on a strike boon is 20% and diminishing etc

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:14 PM

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The hangover thing is definitely true if you’re using it a lot, though, poms are worth quite a bit there

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:17 PM

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mighty raft it makes the regular boon better

I’m for sure still not understanding. Sorry. Would you catagorize tier boons as boons that make your base attack, special, and cast skills better?

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:17 PM

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grim iris I’m for sure still not understanding. Sorry. Would you catagorize tier boons as ...

Sort of

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:18 PM

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So how would I know if a boon is a tier boon or regular boon when picking from a god

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:18 PM

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If it enhaces a core boon, it would be a tier 2 boon

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A core boon makes your attack, special, cast etc better

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:19 PM

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Ok i think i got it

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Thanks Pengy

mighty raft Jan 31, 2021, 11:19 PM

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np

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:21 PM

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Actually wait

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Here is a screenshot of one of my runs

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Ah wont let me add it here

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Either way - why is Frost Strike considered a tier but Flurry Shot not? They both improve your base attack

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:24 PM

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Wait wdym a tier

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Tier list are simply opinion and preference based

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:26 PM

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Looking at your boon tree on a current run the 5 most left boons

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I thought they were different than the rest of the tree. I suppose not? They just populate first?

dull storm Jan 31, 2021, 11:27 PM

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those are ur main boons, not tiers per se

cyan vault Jan 31, 2021, 11:27 PM

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Two different usage of tier

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A tier list in gaming is a ranked list of usefulness.

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A tier 1 boon in game is the base boon that you later get modified.

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But both should be in the leftmost column of your build.

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Because they go in the cast slot.

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And the attack slot

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Frost Strike and Flurry Shot both improve Attack

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Yeah the game has no tierlist in it

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:30 PM

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cyan vault A tier list in gaming is a ranked list of usefulness.

And yes this sums it up

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Tier list are literally just someone's opinion

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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So Frost Strike is in my far left as a main boin and my Flurry Shot is next to it. Can Flurry Shot ever be considered a main boon?

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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grens i believe there's a misunderstanding

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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Yes i think so

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Im a dumbass

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:32 PM

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As far as boons distributed by gods, calling out the tier of a boon refers to a tech tree of sorts

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tier 1 boons are available off the bat

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tier 2 boons have prerequisites

frigid matrix Jan 31, 2021, 11:33 PM

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Tier boons meaning duo or legendary?

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:33 PM

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There’s tiers other than just duo or legendary

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:33 PM

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the game does not really differentiate between these in any meaningful way

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so it's on you to understand a little of it

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:33 PM

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For example, artemis’s hunter’s mark boon requires you already have a boon that provides a chance of critical damage

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Thus, it’s a tier 2 boon

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:33 PM

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the key is to sniff around your codex. If a boon has requirement listings in its page, it is a tier 2 boon

frigid matrix Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Oh, yeah there are boons that aren't the core skill boons, those are tier two, and then there are boons that require other boons to unlock

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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if there are no requirements, it is a tier 1 boon

frigid matrix Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Just look at the boons in the codex

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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^^^^

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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ah ok that makes sense

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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And a boon can have a requirement that, itself, has a requirement

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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yes

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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Mostly legendaries

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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there are levels even beyond

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but few and far between

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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so main boons do not have any requirments

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:34 PM

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artemis legendary for instance has 2 prerequisite boons

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whereas most have only 1

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yes main or "core" or t1 boons have no requirements

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put it this way, if you could theoretically pull it out of the very first god boon you find on a run, it's a t1 boon

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if not, t2

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:35 PM

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got it

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so Flurry Shot improves Attack. i suppose i would need to look in the codec to see what is required to have it

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:36 PM

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just to specify, core boons are even slightly different from t1 boons

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:36 PM

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because it seems like that would be a main boon

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:36 PM

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its a rectangles - squares thing

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all core boons are t1 boons, but not all t1 boons are core boons

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:36 PM

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Yeah it has nothing to do with tierlists

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:36 PM

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core specifically refers to boons that go in one of your 5 slots on the left

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boons that directly modify attack, special, dash, cast and call

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Flurry shot is a hammer upgrade, right?

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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that is a "core" boon, which is also a t1 boon

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see?

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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makes sense

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thank you guys lol

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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Those are totally different, none of those have prerequisites or specifically interact with gods in unique ways

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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that must be it Lux

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:37 PM

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there are lots of t1 boons like dionysus Strong Drink that is available off the bat, but does nothing to your actual abilities

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:38 PM

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There are some hammer upgrades that are incompatible with other upgrades or aspects and so just won’t show up, but none of them unlock another potential upgrade

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And, notably, you will always see a maximum of 2 hammers per escape attempt, and it really wants you to have two so skipping one still means you’re very likely to get it later instead

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:39 PM

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oh good to note

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:39 PM

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You can have 3 actually

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:39 PM

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yeah. for a fun experiment, try a funrun where you ignore hammers sometime. the game will start to practically throw them at you lol

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:40 PM

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sterile solar You can have 3 actually

this right here. what he is referring to is the anvil, and it's a trap, unless you find two bad hammers in a row.

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:40 PM

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You can only ever get three by randomly sacrificing one of your two to get two new random ones, which is bad

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:40 PM

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yeah if you get even one good hammer that really helps out your build stay away from the anvil like the plague lol

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:40 PM

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I’ve taken it in good situations before, but very, very rarely do those situations arise

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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ok so back to the the levels and rarity using Flurry Shot as the example. Can Flurry Shot be upgraded to Level 1 and/or Epic?

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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"level" and "rarity" are separate tracks

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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No, hammer upgrades also have no level or rarity

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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but the answer to both is yes

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wait, is flurry shot a hammer? no hammer upgrades at all

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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got it

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 PM

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They don’t improve your weapon, they change how it functions

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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to hell with that, some of them are out-and-out broken buffs lol

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twin shot hidden bow

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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hmm ok then what about, let's say Chain Shot

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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dash upper fists

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there are some busted hammer combos out there

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Actually, fair, dash strike fists too

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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yeah dash strike fists what am i saying lol

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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let me just ask this - can any boon be upgraded to a rarity and level?

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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Any boon, yeah

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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+900% damage to armor yes please

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:42 PM

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aside from hammer

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Hammers are the only things that aren’t boons, really

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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so boons, answer to both is yes. rarity is much harder

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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I never said it was good, just possible

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Fair.

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Saying you can have a max 2 is simply wrong

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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Chaos actually can’t be modified, come to think of it

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Max 2 hammers, max 3 upgrades

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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thanks for educating my dumbass. much appreciated

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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poms govern upgrading levels

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those are plentiful

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there are only a couple ways of upgrading rarity itself

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:43 PM

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And they have diminishing returns, have to point that out

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Rare crop, a Demeter boon

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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yeah drumrboy explained the diminishing returns

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Rare crop, eurydice

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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also the last way to upgrade rarity

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and the only way to get a heroic rarity

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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Trading

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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sometimes a god will offer to trade you boons

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attack for attack etc

stone plume Jan 31, 2021, 11:44 PM

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You can get heroic from all rarity upgrades

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 PM

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^

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 PM

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will always be 1 rarity higher than what you have on

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oh? good to know. I retract my earlier statement

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Eurydice and rare crop can get heroics yes

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 PM

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the diminishing returns - whats the strategy then

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:45 PM

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Actually rare crop is the most consistent way

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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also for note, there is one standout exception to pom's diminishing returns and that's Dionysus

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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What

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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because of the way poms affect his hangover damage they dont start off as strong, but they don't taper off at all

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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at what point should you not use poms

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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always worth an incremental upgrade

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:46 PM

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grim iris the diminishing returns - whats the strategy then

Around lvl 5-7 poms start losing efficiency on a boom you're better off using it on something else

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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lol i dont think ive ever gotten to level 5

sterile solar Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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Depending on the boon and rarity

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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so feel free to go hog wild with poms on Hangover damage, but after that most are going to taper off around and beyond 5 levels

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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will jumping rarity reset level?

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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no

grim iris Jan 31, 2021, 11:47 PM

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nice

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alright thank you all!

fresh current Jan 31, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Have fun!

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:03 AM

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Less than 5 imo

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You see diminished returns to the point of wanting to use it on something else after like 3

errant bramble Feb 1, 2021, 12:04 AM

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I start moving them around at 3 unless it’s like rocket bomb+cluster and I literally only care about special

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:05 AM

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I think by the 4th upgrade on dots

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Its like 2dmg

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Percentages start to drop below 10

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:07 AM

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PP is 1% per Pom as well. Never goes down.

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:07 AM

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poms have a lower limit to their increase

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varies per boon

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:08 AM

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I can't find the actual numbers

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But it feels like 40%, 20% 12% 5%

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Yeah but it rounds up to the nearest whole number.

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:08 AM

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Or something

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In terms of added per level

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:08 AM

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And if your base multiplier is already in the tank then it won’t go down more.

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:09 AM

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I didn't realize the base was rng

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Which is good to know

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:09 AM

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cyan vault And if your base multiplier is already in the tank then it won’t go down more.

this is basically what I was trying to say, yeah

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:09 AM

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I use melee a lot so I take those boons that are like, % inc to main atk, % inc to special

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:09 AM

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Another fun aspect is curse sword rounds up.

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:10 AM

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And the diminishment gets wild quickly

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Yeah. % based increases start out very large so they diminish very quickly.

grim iris Feb 1, 2021, 12:10 AM

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Is there a way to find out your character stats during an escape?

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:11 AM

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Eventually there is an option to review the build of every escape attempt.

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:11 AM

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cyan vault Yeah. % based increases start out very large so they diminish very quickly.

iirc diminishment rate also varies between some boons

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Yeah I'm sure

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Its got to lol

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But there's a general trend

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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I can't really say any more than cough cough can't discuss datamined content here

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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The rate varies yeah but the code rounds to the next whole number.

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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although I'd be happy to discuss it in the modding server

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Nothing datamined. Just observation.

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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yeah I'm getting my numbers elsewhere 😰

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Oh

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:13 AM

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Awkward....

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🤣

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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although, that being said, I've been told it's okay to mention things that you can find out in-game

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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Yeah I mean lol

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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😩

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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I mean. Pretty easy to see the rounding up thing.

paper copper Feb 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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We clearly see thr numbers so

elfin stream Feb 1, 2021, 12:15 AM

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i just can't go any more into detail

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 12:15 AM

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Curse slash at 51 health heals two points.

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At 101 it heals 3

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So the other way works too.

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Hangover lvl 2 adds two points per tick.

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Then it never goes below 1 after that.

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I’ve heard that some of the calls have similarly low base multipliers that round up very nicely but don’t know specifics.

subtle timber Feb 1, 2021, 12:58 AM

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i need some help

sterile solar Feb 1, 2021, 1:01 AM

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with

subtle timber Feb 1, 2021, 1:02 AM

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sterile solar with

locked hearts

sterile solar Feb 1, 2021, 1:05 AM

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Long story shorts, they are mini quests

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Each character has their own, if you send me a dm, I can hook you up with a guide on how to get them

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 1:21 AM

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The general answer to all of these questions is still gonna be “just play more”.

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The other answer is find out the key to their heart. Conversation is a strong foundation in any relationship.

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 2:28 AM

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Fellas

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I just got my ass kicked by ||Charon||

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can I say that here

long moss Feb 1, 2021, 2:30 AM

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I forgot that he can attack you
||he does that if you attack him a lot right?||

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 2:31 AM

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||I got the option to steal from him and he got mad, teleported my ass into an arena and started doing 50 damage per hit||

long moss Feb 1, 2021, 2:32 AM

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||HOW DID YOU STEAL FROM HIM WHAT||

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 2:33 AM

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||There was a bag with money behind him||

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||The game told me I could "Borrow" +300||

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the rest is history

long moss Feb 1, 2021, 2:36 AM

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wha-
that's never been there before for me

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how

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 2:37 AM

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🤷‍♂️

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Music slapped tho 😳

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 AM

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||charon||can absolutely wreck you if you're not careful

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||he has about the same amount of health as phase 2 hades||

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 2:40 AM

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Of course he does

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Fought him on Tartarus too

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I was not well equipped to say the least

sterile solar Feb 1, 2021, 3:03 AM

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long moss wha- that's never been there before for me

If you ever fought him, that's how

sleek pond Feb 1, 2021, 3:59 AM

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long moss ||HOW DID YOU STEAL FROM HIM WHAT||

You ||have to beat the game first|| I'm pretty sure. Pay attention to ||right behind him, there'll be a little floating bag of gold.||

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 3:59 AM

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||it also only appears in mid shops||

sleek pond Feb 1, 2021, 4:00 AM

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Ok that's it then

verbal oxide Feb 1, 2021, 4:19 AM

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does yarn of Ariadne stack with refreshing nectar?

light grove Feb 1, 2021, 4:23 AM

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doesn't stack, but works separately - they don't get used up at the same time

verbal oxide Feb 1, 2021, 4:23 AM

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thanks

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 4:38 AM

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TFW you’ve escaped 14 times and only bested the|| boat man once||

latent oriole Feb 1, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Same here, the ||boat man|| is a rough fight for me

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 6:21 AM

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Ominous spoiler tags I wonder what wicked secrets you hide

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:22 AM

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||He has a name smh my head||

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 6:22 AM

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😳

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Im too afraid to click 😩

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:23 AM

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The scariest things lie behind those tags

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 6:23 AM

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I bet they do

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 6:23 AM

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||jebaited||

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:23 AM

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||boo!||

light grove Feb 1, 2021, 6:26 AM

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||you thought this contained something of value, but you were wrong||

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:26 AM

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||I am often wrong||

regal orchid Feb 1, 2021, 6:30 AM

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Boatman>||dad||

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:33 AM

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everyone>||dad||

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 6:35 AM

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Had a question but don't know where to ask it. Why does the server not have voice channels?

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 6:38 AM

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who knows

light grove Feb 1, 2021, 6:40 AM

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mods said it would be too hard to moderate with how many people are in this server

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 6:40 AM

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that's fair

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 8:08 AM

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also i dont think theres much use of voice channels in a single player game server lol

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 8:12 AM

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there’s a fair few in the hollow knight discord

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and they seem to be used fairly frequently

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 8:13 AM

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the Hollow Knight discord was also initially a fan made discord ^_^

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 8:13 AM

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true

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:25 AM

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there is an ||anvil|| before ||hades||. should i pick this ?

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is it worth it ?

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Spoiler tag the name

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Please :)

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:26 AM

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sorry

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:26 AM

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Np

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:27 AM

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ty friendly

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:27 AM

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I havent used anvils yet, I've only seen them out in the wild

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Cant really say it looked very promising

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But if you feel like it and dont mind losing a hammer sure go for it

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:30 AM

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anvils aren't really worth

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maybe of both hammers you have atm suck then maybe its good

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:31 AM

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they're a big, it depends

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:31 AM

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^

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:31 AM

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I see

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:32 AM

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because hammers often change how you play completely, it can be run ending to get one randomly at the end

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it's one of the bigger gambles you can make in the game

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Oh it's random?

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Yepppppp

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Thought you could choose which hammer to keep

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Thats kinda doodoo

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Yeppppp

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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yeah ok. i am not going to do this then 😄

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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Wish you luck

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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my build is decent. dont want to ruin it

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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a lot more people would be taking it if you could choose

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:33 AM

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A good rule of thumb for the anvil is "never pick this"

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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alpine ridge A good rule of thumb for the anvil is "never pick this"

i see 😄

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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Good thing I was already out of money when I stumbled upon it 😎

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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that's a big brain strat

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 9:34 AM

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basically dont buy it unless your hammers are trash or youre aiming for a specific hammer

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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remove the burden of choice by making it so you couldn't choose in the first place

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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Why are some items in the shop more expensive in the temple?

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:35 AM

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For poms, they add 2 levels to the boon, and the Boons have a higher rarity chance

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:36 AM

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That doesnt seem very worth it

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For boons at least

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450 is a lot 😰

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:37 AM

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I'd absolutely love ||anvil|| if you could choose the hammer you lost ngl

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:37 AM

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Whoops were we supposed to spoiler tag that

alpine ridge Feb 1, 2021, 9:38 AM

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you actually get a lot of money in styx

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it's possible to get around 150-200 obols per tunnel

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:39 AM

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I am too much of a baby to go in more paths than what is absolutely necessary

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:39 AM

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nah you're fine, I tend to spoiler tag more liberally in this channel just out of courtesy

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:39 AM

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Sounds good

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:40 AM

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oh god. i did it. 1st time!

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:40 AM

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Congrats!

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:41 AM

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all the revives are gone, but still 😄

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:41 AM

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Get ready for some history progression my fellow gamer

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:41 AM

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supergiant games, thx for this awesome piece!

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one question though, did you guys find the ||theseus minotaur fight|| harder to learn ?

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:42 AM

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No they just beat my ass twice and then I learned that with the shield you are immortal at all times

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 9:48 AM

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they need me so many attempts. compared to them, ||hades|| was easier imo

leaden whale Feb 1, 2021, 9:49 AM

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yeah it took me a long time to beat them for the first time, but i don’t think i’ve lost to them since

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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pastel cipher I'd absolutely love ||anvil|| if you could choose the hammer you lost ngl

would be way too op then

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theyd have to bump its cost up to something like 600-700

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:51 AM

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I don't think so, the hammers you gain are still random

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 9:52 AM

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true, but if you have a bad build then youd just always take the anvil

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even if the hammers you gain are random, 3 hammers is very good

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it'd remove all the risk from taking the anvil

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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Gambling but epic

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:53 AM

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yes and no, you always have the potential of getting hammers that do nothing for you (relatively speaking) or are anti synergistic for your build

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 9:54 AM

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i do agree with that, but still, it minimizes the risk of the anvil soo much

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

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most times I'd rather have a 3rd hermes boon in the ||anvil|| slot tbh

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 9:55 AM

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plus, not a lot of hammers are anti-synergistic with most builds

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 10:29 AM

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question about sniper shot: it says "distant" foes. how far do they have to be away ?

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 10:29 AM

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it'll have an indicator

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 10:29 AM

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If you hold it you'll see

dull storm Feb 1, 2021, 10:30 AM

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it's almost at full range, but like others mentioned - u can see it

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 10:31 AM

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hm not sure if i should i take it then. perfect shot and twin shot is also an option

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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I like twin shot better

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Cant recall what perfect shot does

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But go with whatever suits you best

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Or flip a coin

signal pine Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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it makes your supercharged shot deal 150% more damage i believe?

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and decreases the charge time

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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yes and its easier

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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def take twin

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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yeah that's it Galaxy

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Oooh I remember that yes

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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ok thx!

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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twin is one of the best bow hammers

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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twin it is.

urban hinge Feb 1, 2021, 10:32 AM

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Twin is cool

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Double damage

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Swag

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 10:33 AM

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twin is fun, so is perfect shot

signal pine Feb 1, 2021, 10:33 AM

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yeah, twin is good because its effectiveness scales with whatever boon you have on your attack

pastel cipher Feb 1, 2021, 10:33 AM

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sniper can be good on ||chiron||

signal pine Feb 1, 2021, 10:33 AM

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whereas perfect shot just focuses on damage increase and efficiency

hollow ledge Feb 1, 2021, 10:47 AM

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burnt snow one question though, did you guys find the ||theseus minotaur fight|| harder to ...

they're not hard to learn, but are hard to manage imo

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 11:06 AM

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twin + perfect on hidden bow 😩 👌

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:15 AM

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should i go for piercing volley or relentless volley ?

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 11:16 AM

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relentless

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:16 AM

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+400 against armor or special shots 4 more arrows

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 11:16 AM

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if your boons are strong enough you basically don't need piercing volley for tearing through armor

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:17 AM

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yeah you right

silk swift Feb 1, 2021, 11:57 AM

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Anvil is pretty good ||if you're playing high heat with ap2||

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Otherwise no

quiet tide Feb 1, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Family Favorite or Privileged Status?

muted latch Feb 1, 2021, 12:06 PM

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depends on build

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 12:34 PM

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hidden aspect spoilers ||invest 5 titan blood into any aspect of the sword and talk to nyx||

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 12:35 PM

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^||you have to unlock guan yu first||

unreal tulip Feb 1, 2021, 12:36 PM

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any sword ?

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or weapon

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 12:37 PM

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any sword

unreal tulip Feb 1, 2021, 12:37 PM

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does it work if i use it on the same one

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 12:38 PM

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also please spoiler tag ||Arthur||

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yes

unreal tulip Feb 1, 2021, 12:38 PM

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idk how to use spoiler tag

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haha

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mb man

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 12:38 PM

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just add || before and after the message

unreal tulip Feb 1, 2021, 12:38 PM

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whats that

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doesnt work man

regal orchid Feb 1, 2021, 12:53 PM

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recommend getting points into nemesis if you like crits and attacks and posseidon if you like cast builds

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either are great

unreal tulip Feb 1, 2021, 1:03 PM

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what about aspect of zag

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bad ?

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 1:12 PM

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all bow aspects are pretty good

hollow ledge Feb 1, 2021, 1:16 PM

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I like the one that lets you ||use your cast ||as an arrow

regal orchid Feb 1, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Zag aspects are pretty meh imo

uneven ledge Feb 1, 2021, 1:38 PM

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they're not meant to be flashy

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 1:39 PM

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Actually I think zag bow is my favourite bow

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Zag bow is the most rng bow because of hammers

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But holy hades can it run away with the right hammers

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My nuttiest runs, hands down, have all involved zag bow

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:09 PM

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I unlocked all the aspects and think I’ll focus one aspect per weapon to level at a time. Sounds legit? So far, zag sword is done thanks to skelly. So which one next?

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Thinking talos because it was my first escape.

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But I haven’t even tried hidden fist

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It’s the last hidden that I need an escape with.

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:11 PM

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The hidden is pretty good but kinda hard to get used to

muted latch Feb 1, 2021, 2:11 PM

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hidden fist is like the fist version of hidden sword

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works very well with doom

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:13 PM

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Just finished a fun hidden rail. Got the loyalty card in asphodel and it cost me three DD. Spent the rest of the run buying DDs where I could.

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Made it with plenty to spare.

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I kinda love hidden sword.

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Needs a little bit of work to mitigate the slower rate of fire, but man are those big swings fun.

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:15 PM

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Hidden sword with artemis chunks

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Ive gotten like 2k crits with that

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:15 PM

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I ran it with frost strike to add the slow down on enemies. I find it very useful.

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But arty is always welcome to my party.

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:19 PM

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Try it out with clean kill, hunters mark, and try and get the arty/aphro duo

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Aphro on special

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:21 PM

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Ive not played around with hunters mark much. The thought being that it doesn’t help as much for the final battle. I think that might be not be entirely true with the other things you can smack, but I have a hard time convincing myself that it’s the best choice.

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:22 PM

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In the heroes fight it carries hard

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:22 PM

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Hunters mark is what makes Artemis sing

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I think they built her kit around using it. Her base crit % is low but being able to apply a curse to an enemy from that one random crit starts a chain reaction that generates many, many more by the time a room is over

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I think that’s why her base crit chance is relatively low. It’s balanced around being able to mark a target and hugely increase the total odds of critting across a room

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Not a boss boon of course but everywhere else it’s huge

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Especially when you factor in things like PP and support fire. Lots of little projectiles firing with low base %, but all it takes is one of them to start an atomic-like chain reaction

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:29 PM

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I will give it a go.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Try it on for size. If you consider your total odds of critting over the course of a room it makes a huge statistical difference

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Because the marked target can bounce from target to target. That’s the real key

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 2:31 PM

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yeah hunters mark is pretty underrated

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:31 PM

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If you hit an enemy with another one nearby and it procs, it will transfer to the enemies around. Then you hit them and it bounces back. All the while your crit % is now +30 minimum, which is through the roof. Chain reaction.

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:32 PM

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And it can proc off the green skulls and urns as well right?

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:32 PM

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yeah

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Yup game doesn’t care. Crit is a crit, enemy tag is an enemy tag

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:32 PM

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Not the urns but green skulls

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Hunters Mark in heroes fight 😩 😩

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:33 PM

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sour coral yeah hunters mark is pretty underrated

its not lol

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its a very good boon, and is known as such

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:33 PM

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Hunters mark 🤤🤤🤤

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:33 PM

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You’ve convinced me. I’ll give it a go next time.

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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i havent seen anyone say that hunters mark is a bad boon

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Everyone here be simping for hunters mark

sour coral Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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well i thought it was before

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Does it synergies well with hangover? Can those ticks proc it?

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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Yes actually I think?

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:34 PM

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there are only a few things in the game that dont crit

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one of which are lightning bolts

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Yeah hangover does

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:35 PM

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In my head hunters mark says “you, enemy, now have a +30% chance of the next thing hitting you being a crit”

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And it doesn’t much care what that is, outside of the listed exceptions like Zeus

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:36 PM

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What about the frost damage ticker?

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:36 PM

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chill isnt DoT, is it?

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:36 PM

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I think he’s talking about the t2?

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Of which I am unsure

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:37 PM

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what t2?

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:37 PM

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The one where the solo chilled enemy takes damage

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That’s the only frost ticking boon I know of

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:37 PM

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i cant say i know what youre talking about

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@cyan vault wdym by frost damage ticker?

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Yeah. That one. Killer frost I think.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:38 PM

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It’s in the codex somewhere. Dem t2

grim iris Feb 1, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Is there a way to look at your current damage stats during an escape?

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:38 PM

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total damage stats? no

grim iris Feb 1, 2021, 2:38 PM

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Yeah. Damn ok

normal viper Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 PM

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except for ofcourse looking over the heads of enemies and seeing how much average damage youre doing

grim iris Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Ty

sleek axle Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 PM

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There's probably a mod for that

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 PM

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Current damage is kinda touch to pin down. There are numbers that pop up but honestly I can almost never focus enough to see them with all of the visual noise.

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They move fast.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:39 PM

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That would honestly be a moving target

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Between all the different damage sources and the ways you apply them your DPS fluctuates greatly during a run or even a room

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Might be a theoretical cap you could establish but it would be just that. Theory.

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:40 PM

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Also true.

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You can also get multiple different sources stacking which might not be what you are looking for and you also get different types of damage that aren’t added together.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:41 PM

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It would be complicated grens. Roguelikes in general are complicated to do that with, because of what’s been mentioned

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I don’t even know where you’d begin to calculate DPS in a game like Gungeon

mighty raft Feb 1, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Just know that crits go boom

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:44 PM

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Honestly on 2nd thinking there might be one way to get a meaningful answer

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You could take an average of rooms after a run

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It's not live, but it's doable I would think and could give you something

cyan vault Feb 1, 2021, 2:45 PM

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That sounds like it would take longer than the run itself.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 2:47 PM

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Not really. Divide total damage recorded over a run by encounters cleared. Factor time if you like

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Programmatically, that's actually kind of easy next to what you'd have to do otherwise

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Gives you a dps figure that could theoretically be meaningful to record

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But it's definitely a mod and I'm no modder

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Though on 3rd thinking styx would screw with that calculation failbag you'd have to keep a consistent number of rooms for it to mean anything against the others

sudden steppe Feb 1, 2021, 8:02 PM

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How to properly use hidden spear? The charge attack loads up so slow, and travel so slow either, I can’t hit anything with it or worse, me getting hit first

upper mason Feb 1, 2021, 8:29 PM

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How does this game run on switch?

sudden steppe Feb 1, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Pretty great

next perch Feb 1, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Its nice actually

sudden steppe Feb 1, 2021, 8:30 PM

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Playing on the Switch now

upper mason Feb 1, 2021, 8:31 PM

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Also what is the average run time?

sudden steppe Feb 1, 2021, 8:31 PM

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30-50min average

next perch Feb 1, 2021, 8:34 PM

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You need to play tactical not dash everywhere have something to slow your enemy for a bit to charge attack or go behind the enemy and you need to be wiser about boons

next perch Feb 1, 2021, 8:34 PM

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sudden steppe How to properly use hidden spear? The charge attack loads up so slow, and travel...

.

upper mason Feb 1, 2021, 8:34 PM

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Ok final question: I noticed this game has a wiki. Is it "good/effecient"?

silk swift Feb 1, 2021, 8:35 PM

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30 to 50 min?

regal orchid Feb 1, 2021, 8:35 PM

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You can really cut down your run time to 20 mins

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But usually if you included the pauses maybe jt is around 30

silk swift Feb 1, 2021, 8:35 PM

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Yeah I don't think average goes over 35-40 for new players

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Advanced players average under 20

regal orchid Feb 1, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Ive seen that long a lot tbh

sudden steppe Feb 1, 2021, 8:37 PM

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Erm, the way I’ve been playing now, I tend to take things slowly

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Poke and dash

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Maybe that’s why

next perch Feb 1, 2021, 8:38 PM

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Actually you can dash with it but I used to play tactical

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But sword is better for dash and attack

swift pasture Feb 1, 2021, 9:23 PM

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upper mason Ok final question: I noticed this game has a wiki. Is it "good/effecient"?

If you mean full of info and easy to find what you want, seems like it. You can always ask here as well if needed.

steady scroll Feb 1, 2021, 9:57 PM

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upper mason How does this game run on switch?

Imo not that nice

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It runs with noticeably less fps compared with pc (for me at least)

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 10:00 PM

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From my experience if the switch version is all you ever know, you wont notice a difference

steady scroll Feb 1, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Yes I agree

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 10:00 PM

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Mine can drop a frame or two when I really stress it during a room with an obscene zeus build or some such

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But beyond that it’s butter

steady scroll Feb 1, 2021, 10:01 PM

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If you have an xbox controller I 100% recommend you go for the PC edition

glossy marsh Feb 1, 2021, 10:07 PM

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So, I've unlocked all the weapons, how do I use the Titan Blood?

sterile solar Feb 1, 2021, 10:14 PM

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you upgrade them

uneven slate Feb 1, 2021, 10:16 PM

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Equip a weapon and then interact with its spot again. The aspect upgrade screen will open.

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 10:18 PM

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It’s worth knowing that any weapon unlock with Zagreus’ name on it costs only 5 blood to fully upgrade

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Rather than all other named aspects which are between 15-16

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So if you find a zag aspect you like early on they’re an excellent value spend for small amounts of blood

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Beyond that weapons that are pretty good with just a single blood investment include Poseidon sword, hera bow, and talos fists

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Notable zag aspects are shield, bow, fists and rail. Shield and rail being the newer player standouts imo

late flint Feb 1, 2021, 10:22 PM

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I bought the game again on Switch and the handheld experience is pretty good

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obviously, a lil crunchy if I dock to my 4K TV

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 10:23 PM

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Yeah. Kind of par for the course for switch games. Great experience overall, can struggle a little under heavy load

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:00 PM

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When These archer enemies aim at you I have either a lighter or darker cross on my character. What does this mean ?

sterile solar Feb 1, 2021, 11:02 PM

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it means they about to shoot you

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 11:02 PM

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Closer the crosshair gets to bright red represents how long you have left before they begin firing

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When it stops changing, you’re getting shot at

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:03 PM

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I see. Can't remember that they are actually red. I thought only pink or purple

fresh current Feb 1, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Hot pink, red, whichever. When the color gets noticeably brighter and stays there you need to have your head on a swivel

burnt snow Feb 1, 2021, 11:11 PM

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Thx!

cyan vault Feb 2, 2021, 12:22 AM

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Hate those guys

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 1:18 AM

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kinda annoying that the crosshair persists after you've already stunlocked or killed them

cyan vault Feb 2, 2021, 2:20 AM

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Better to be paranoid.

late flint Feb 2, 2021, 2:58 AM

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the same thing applies for ||Theseus||

glass flower Feb 2, 2021, 3:43 AM

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late flint the same thing applies for ||Theseus||

I could swear the timing on that changes ||after vanquishing Asterius.|| Seems to shoot sooner for some reason

sterile solar Feb 2, 2021, 3:44 AM

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Yes

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He enrages

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So does the bull if you kill the other first

thin sage Feb 2, 2021, 3:47 AM

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Seems like movement speed nearly doubles when they enrage...

glass flower Feb 2, 2021, 3:59 AM

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sterile solar So does the bull if you kill the other first

Is that even possible? Fighting off Asterius with ||Theseus' godly help?||

sterile solar Feb 2, 2021, 4:00 AM

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What

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 4:09 AM

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yep

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done it a couple of times with a build with really good AOE

prisma socket Feb 2, 2021, 4:10 AM

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I did it early with Demeter fists.

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earlier"

sterile solar Feb 2, 2021, 4:11 AM

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I dont understand the question

formal rover Feb 2, 2021, 4:14 AM

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they mean killing theseus before asterius, and thus having to deal with asterius while ||theseus is calling the gods||

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it’s generally not recommended for new players to do it that way, but it can certainly work (and actually has some advantages)

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speedrunners often focus on theseus because asterius will follow you and it’s easier to take them both out at the same time

quiet tide Feb 2, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Fated Persuasion or Authority

thin sage Feb 2, 2021, 4:43 AM

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Asterius is quite fun after killing Theseus.😎

royal shadow Feb 2, 2021, 5:00 AM

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Persuasion. You can force specific god boons with keepsakes

formal rover Feb 2, 2021, 5:02 AM

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^

royal shadow Feb 2, 2021, 5:03 AM

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And if you have more boons from the same god, theyre more likely to show up

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Persuasion makes it easier to get specific boons from your main god

muted latch Feb 2, 2021, 5:39 AM

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fresh current From my experience if the switch version is all you ever know, you wont notice a...

it drops frames pretty frequently tbh, although super minor. However I'm hyper sensitive to sub 60fps drops and this is YMMV territory

sudden steppe Feb 2, 2021, 6:39 AM

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Adamant Rail’s Explosive Fire upgrade, it has a slow effect, it doesn’t count towards a Curse effect for Privileged Status, no?

muted latch Feb 2, 2021, 6:40 AM

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it does not

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all qualified status effects have a very clear visual cue

sudden steppe Feb 2, 2021, 6:41 AM

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Fair

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How long is the slow?

muted latch Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 AM

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1 second or so?

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but you can constantly refresh it

burnt snow Feb 2, 2021, 9:53 AM

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what are gold laurel rewards ?

sudden steppe Feb 2, 2021, 10:32 AM

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burnt snow what are gold laurel rewards ?

Rewards that aren’t upgrades outside of a run, eg boons, gold, hammers, etc

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Darkness, gems and all that, doesn’t count

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 10:34 AM

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basically anything that isn't a meta currency

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darkness, gemstones and such are blue laurels

muted latch Feb 2, 2021, 10:41 AM

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if it persist after you die, it's blue, if it doesn't, it's gold

burnt snow Feb 2, 2021, 10:42 AM

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oh ok. i see. thank you!

dreamy spoke Feb 2, 2021, 11:42 AM

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Hello, how do I unlock the secret aspects ?

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 11:44 AM

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there's a pinned guide in #h1-story-discussion

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@dreamy spoke

worldly flicker Feb 2, 2021, 11:46 AM

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||i've done it! i've finally beat hades||

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can't help but say "f*ck you dad" everytime i see him

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like an angsty teen

muted latch Feb 2, 2021, 11:49 AM

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like Pierce Hawthrone

sleek axle Feb 2, 2021, 11:56 AM

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worldly flicker ||i've done it! i've finally beat hades||

spoiler that

worldly flicker Feb 2, 2021, 11:57 AM

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sleek axle spoiler that

aight

hearty tulip Feb 2, 2021, 11:58 AM

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worldly flicker can't help but say "f*ck you dad" everytime i see him

I feel this sentiment in my soul

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 12:05 PM

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Blast RATM through your whole run

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Really get into the mood

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Bonus points if you can get Killing in the Name Of to sync up to the final boss room

lapis gull Feb 2, 2021, 12:20 PM

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worldly flicker can't help but say "f*ck you dad" everytime i see him

lmao

hearty tulip Feb 2, 2021, 12:26 PM

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I feel like I'm improving I can beat aserius and Theseus pretty consistently although redacted and Styx are still far away with me only really being able to get ||through the first phase without having to deal with mini bosses|| at 88 runs

hushed mirage Feb 2, 2021, 12:44 PM

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guys could someone explain those eurudice offers ?

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 12:47 PM

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hushed mirage guys could someone explain those eurudice offers ?

ambrosia delight upgrades the rarity of two random boons that you already have, pom porridge levels up 4 upgradeable boons that you already have by +1 (if you have 3 or less, it only levels those boons up by +1) and refreshing nectar guarantees that the next 3 boons you receive will be rare or better

hushed mirage Feb 2, 2021, 12:49 PM

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thx mate

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 12:51 PM

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refreshing nectar can also stack with yarn of ariadne, meaning that the next 4 boons you recieve will be rare or better and not just 3

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btw @hushed mirage for future reference if you hover your cursor over something it shows the description, so you don't have to ask around to figure out what it does

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 12:54 PM

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If you have a gun to your head and you can’t make a choice you can never go wrong with refreshing nectar

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The other two are a little more of a roll of the dice but also can be the right choice in the right situation. The more boons you have, and the worse odds you have of one of the first two landing on the boons that you want, the worse choices they become

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All are good upgrades though.

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 12:56 PM

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^^ if either pom porridge or ambrosia delight won't help you much then just take the nectar

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just make sure you've thought over it well, you can check your boons while most menus are open

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 12:56 PM

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Mmhmmmmm

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Careful decision making especially at Eurydice. Count out your # of boons and weigh your odds of getting what you want before coming to a choice

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 1:51 PM

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Do traps also deal damage to enemies?

normal viper Feb 2, 2021, 1:51 PM

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yes

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you can bait enemies onto traps

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traps also deal like massively increased damage to enemies

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e.g the spikes in tartarus deal 100 dmg to enemies

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 1:52 PM

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baiting alecto into spike traps is a great way of dealing with her

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traps deal massive damage to enemies

hushed mirage Feb 2, 2021, 1:59 PM

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what's the best weapon guys ? i unlocked them all

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 2:00 PM

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depends

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it's just preference, all of them are good

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i won't tell you which weapon to take

hushed mirage Feb 2, 2021, 2:01 PM

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i liked that fist and the Varatha

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 2:04 PM

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There really isn’t a “best” weapon until the very deepest end of the pool in this game, and even then it’s a debate

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Use what puts a smile on your face 🙂

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Does this game have hitless boss rewards?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM

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No

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Good

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 2:07 PM

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You beat the boss or die trying. Thats all the game cares about

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 2:17 PM

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it's not like you're gonna get a master round or something

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 2:23 PM

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If only lol

loud canopy Feb 2, 2021, 3:13 PM

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there is a very, very minor "reward" for ending a run with full HP

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more just a "nice job!"

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Oh? Never knew. Thank you 🙂

faint jewel Feb 2, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Is it specifically full HP or never got hit? I.e., would ||demeter's|| boon count?

uneven ledge Feb 2, 2021, 3:55 PM

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full hp

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just don't take damage from the final boss

dusk flicker Feb 2, 2021, 4:17 PM

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i beat last boss twice but still have no idea what boons do what and how to have a clean run

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like what gods give what kinda boons and stuff. anywhere i can learn this stuff?

faint jewel Feb 2, 2021, 4:25 PM

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There's a hades wiki

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the internal codex can also detail boons iirc

junior island Feb 2, 2021, 4:45 PM

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Hi , How can I get ||legendary|| boons or increase the chances to get one?

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 4:48 PM

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junior island Hi , How can I get ||legendary|| boons or increase the chances to get one?

Look at the codex

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L on controllers

junior island Feb 2, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Ooow ok I will have a look

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 4:49 PM

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Same for duo and other tier 2 boons

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:33 PM

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@dusk flicker the game's internal codex is your best resource, and the only one you really need. You unlock it somehow early on, perhaps for purchase at the contractor? Very important to have by your side

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 5:36 PM

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@junior island The codex shows the pre-requisits for boons that require pre-reqs

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@fresh current Achilles gives it to you.

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:37 PM

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Ah, there you go. What he said

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:42 PM

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I got a double boon encounter
do I anger ares or artemis?

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and what does angering each of them do?

woven eagle Feb 2, 2021, 5:48 PM

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Both are not that bad, just pick any

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:49 PM

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what specifically do they do incase I personally disagree

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:49 PM

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Ummmmm

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Neither are going to be fun

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Forewarning

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I would take the boon that makes you strongest right now

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And piss off the other

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:53 PM

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long moss what specifically do they do incase I personally disagree

Artemis creates arrows that follow you. Ares has bubbles that just kinda float around doing damage

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:53 PM

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They both make circles that damage you if they're in them

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Artemis isn't arrows iirc, it's just roaming circles

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Yeah

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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so they are literally identical?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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I forget what ares’ is, I just remember it being nasty, and I know artemis’ is that

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I think

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Shoot I mixed up with the heroes fight

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Close enough

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Ares are bigger and slower

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Artemis are faster and smaller

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also i think way more

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 5:55 PM

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You’re about to have a bad time, so I would pick the one that benefits you most right here, right now

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:55 PM

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in the heroes fight artemis things follow you

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:55 PM

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Ares is easier, piss him off

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:55 PM

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I need to get Hunter Instinct for a prophecy and it is possible to pop up so I'll take her, so even if I die I might finish the prophecy

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:56 PM

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I really wouldnt suggest focusing on phrophecies unless its like for titan blood bcs most of the time they just kinda happen naturally

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:56 PM

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she didn't give it
damn her

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:56 PM

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Do you have rerolls?

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:56 PM

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mighty raft I really wouldnt suggest focusing on phrophecies unless its like for titan blood...

I want to get them as fast as possible
idc what you say there

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I have door rerolls
not that kind

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:57 PM

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k

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:57 PM

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the other rerolls are better if you're hunting specific boons tbh

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the Yellow kind

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:57 PM

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I never focused on prophecies unless it gave titan blood bcs the other ones happened naturally pretty easily

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 5:57 PM

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but you get more of the door rerolls

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:58 PM

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not really

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i mean

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you do get more

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:58 PM

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no not really

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 5:58 PM

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they're not as effective i mean

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for hunting specific boons

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 5:58 PM

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long moss but you get more of the door rerolls

Boon rerolls are better bcs door rerolls are better for doing like max health or max lvl runs

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 6:00 PM

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So I noticed that in the bottom of the weapon room there are 3 squares you can't walk on. What are those for?

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:00 PM

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@long moss on dual rooms, you want to avoid angering posidon, aphrodite, demeter, as their trials are atypical and hard... Athena is annoying, but not hard, she just makes some of the enemies invulnerable. The other gods just have "traps" that you dash to avoid.

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Demeter is the most annoying

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Take it from someone that deathlessly defends the mirror perk you’re talking about in the face of all haters pinecone, the green mirror perk is better for you if you’re fated list chasing

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 6:01 PM

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@frigid matrix wrong
the shield one makes enemies invulnerable

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:01 PM

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Rolling boons themselves will be more reliable than rolling rooms for what you’re after

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If the list is what you seek

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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@long moss you're right, I get Athena and Artimis names mixed up in my head

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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long moss <@!798983442011914270> wrong the shield one makes enemies invulnerable

Yes thats athena

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Same @frigid matrix

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I can’t keep all the A names straight

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I never mix them up

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I may forget

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but I don't mix them up

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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good for you

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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Blessed be your memory

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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I mix up my own children's names

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:02 PM

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lol

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thats a rip

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:03 PM

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I took hits to the head in a past life 😅 names aren’t my specialty

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:03 PM

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But really watch out for demeter, zeus, and aphro trials

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Yeah

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:03 PM

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They can get really hard

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Do not piss off zeuus

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I will say of the ones listed I dont mind posiedon one bit

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Zeus is easy

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Demeter in the heroes fight is so freaking annoying

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Posiedon you just have to keep an eye on and focus dodging as it chases you

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Aphrodite is just Hard Posiedon

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:04 PM

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if you can avoid the waves and the heart, then do those

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Yeah I auto-take posiedon if I see him in particular. Lots of visual and audio cues to work with

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Aphro can spawn hers directly on top of you on the other hand

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:05 PM

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Yeah i dont have much of a problem with aphro but DEMETERR is so bad

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 6:05 PM

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@mighty raft I usually can kill thedeus before he's done with the initial shout if you do ||EM3||

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:05 PM

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So if you take an aphro punishment never, ever, ever stop moving until the whole room is dead

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:05 PM

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frigid matrix <@!804356038018727957> I usually can kill thedeus before he's done with the init...

Not tried em3 yet

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But normally I can get theseus down to like 10 health

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but when I was first playing it was incredibly annoying

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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upper mason So I noticed that in the bottom of the weapon room there are 3 squares you can't...

?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Lol

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Keep playing

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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idk

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Those are a surprise

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He means the “installations”

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:08 PM

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oh nvmd

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I know what he means

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Like on the right hand side right?

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Fair enough just wondering if that was like the door behind the closet in pokemon

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 6:09 PM

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Those are a special surprise James. Not gameplay essential. Carry on 😉

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You’ll find out as you go along

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This game will reveal all of itself to you eventually, you just have to keep playing

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 6:21 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806227759331803207/unknown.png

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eee

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I only need 1 more from both for their main prophecy

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but it is hard to find hermes

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so I guess I take hermes
even though I have full artemis needs
and yes my health is dummy rn

upper mason Feb 2, 2021, 6:26 PM

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How do calls work exactly?

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:27 PM

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Each chamber they will charge up for dealing damage and taking damage. At the end of a chamber it will go down to zero

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 6:29 PM

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your god gauge is charged based on taking hits and hitting things

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how hard you hit factors in as well but hitting really fast will still build up the gauge more

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 6:32 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806230488103780433/unknown.png

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time to get those prophecies

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without any care for zag's life

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lmao

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:57 PM

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Yeah Im thinking of doing that today

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That gives you a lot of titan blood I think

prisma socket Feb 2, 2021, 6:58 PM

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It's a lot easier if you respec and level them. And you can do them in batches for an easier time too.

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 6:59 PM

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long moss https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/806230488103780433/unk...

Yeah you might want to consider leveling some of them up

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 7:00 PM

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I have no more darkness tho
and I am focusing on rerolls

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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Pinecone give one back

long moss Feb 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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why

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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That darkness can buy you back some of your essentials, the 4th one is most expensive if you’re low on darkness

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You can pick up a key or two easy over a run to bandaid it

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Just 1

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:03 PM

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yes

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The last reroll costs sooo much

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:04 PM

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Just the last one

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It’s worth spending the key on the reset to get most of your quality of life goodies back while only losing one roll

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IMO

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Yes keys are very easy to get

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:13 PM

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So question, i play bow and arrow right now and am enjoying chiron aspect

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thoughts on the best/easiest to use aspects for the other weapons?

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and thoughts on how titan blood can be most easily obtained

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:15 PM

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Most easily? Farming Styx shop

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Which you should be doing already if you’re farming blood

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Outside of that the only way to farm blood is to increase postgame difficulty for more rewards. You can up it as much as you like but rewards are always paid out one level at a time per run. You can never collect more than 1x of a run’s worth of rewards by cranking the difficulty over the required limit, but It wont hurt you either

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:16 PM

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I beat ||hades|| phase 1 and then put my controller down to then watch him instakill me

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

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All of the Zagreus aspects will be very cheap for you to unlock

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They’re 5 blood to max, next to their brothers which are between 15-16

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

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oops

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

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It’s ok

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

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already poured all the blood i had into chiron 😂

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:17 PM

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You’ll have them all eventually

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And chiron is good

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It’s just not great until it’s 100%, and that’s expensive

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All a question of what you can buy yourself now with what you have

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:18 PM

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also are there definitive opinions on which spells to spend darkness on

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:18 PM

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Hmmmmmm

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:18 PM

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the purple/green mix

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:18 PM

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With limited options there are definitely strong contenders

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:19 PM

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The green ones alot of the time seem too situational for me

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:19 PM

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As a rule of thumb, if you’re still new to the game it’s never a mistake to fill your mirror entirely purple

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Except for one or two at the bottom maybe

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:20 PM

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Ive done full purple so far, ive played 11 hours

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:20 PM

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for the Aspect of Nemesis - for 3 seconds, after your special, your attack may deal critical damage. does this only proc once per encounter?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:20 PM

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things you want super bad: 2x dashes, more health, more casts, +50% damage on cast in enemies, Priveledged status, and the last one that eludes me but it gives you 20% more boon, hammer, coin etc rooms

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Nemesis has no real limits surrounding its crit mechanic greens

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The special doesn’t even need to hit anything

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:21 PM

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@grim iris ^

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:21 PM

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And it refreshes the 3sec every time you special

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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so if i simply Special i get an increase in crit from attack

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that simple huh?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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That simple

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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nice ok

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thank you

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will go nicely with artemis

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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I still prefer posiden or ||arthur|| over nemesis... maybe I just don't understand how to make nemesis work

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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Is there any way to see which weapons youve got diamonds with from ||hydra||

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:22 PM

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It does. Very much so

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To make nemesis work correctly you have to play sword like a tryhard

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And thats not so fun for everyone

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But it does work

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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what do yo mean?

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hack and slash in your face?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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Punch “intermediate hades sword techniques” into YouTube and you’ll see

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:23 PM

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@pliant turtle once you beat the last boss, it's easy to see with the ||pact|| Before then, you can see it on the map between levels... if there is a check mark on the Hydra, you got it already.

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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There’s a dance of techskill to actually get good DPS out of sword, nemesis in particular

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And its not intuitive on the face of it

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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thanks ill look it up

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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@frigid matrix how many phases does ||hades|| have

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2 i assume?

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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@pliant turtle ||3 with extreme measures 4, but 2 otherwise||

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:24 PM

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Nemesis is also edgy, in that with the right hammers it’s death’s scythe itself, but with the wrong hammers it suffers

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Namely with nemesis you want double dash attack hammer or bye bye run to really optimize it

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:25 PM

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What do you think is the easiest weapon to beat a run with

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I mean i could use my chiron, its just only level 3

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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im watching a video now to see some strats

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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I would say the easiest weapon to pick up and play is zag shield overall

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But if you like bow zag bow is a really, really solid contender

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It’s ranged nemesis. Similar hammer situation too, but instead of being make or break zag bow’s hammers can make it busted in a hurry

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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is zag lvl 0 bow worth over chiron lvl 3 though?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:26 PM

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Or just merely good

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Put it this way, max zag bow will cost you less than the next level of chiron

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Fwiw

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:27 PM

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mmm

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so farming ||styx|| is the easiest way to get blood reliably?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:27 PM

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Among others

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But yes it is the only way you walk out of a successful run with 3 blood rather than 2

alpine ridge Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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technically the easiest is trading Ambrosia for Blood

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Sometimes it can be a diamond

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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pliant turtle so farming ||styx|| is the easiest way to get blood reliably?

not really

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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That too ^^ though I dont recommend overdoing it

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I run golden touch and buy the blood or diamond from the last shop every run

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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Just complete all the bounties in the ||pact||

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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frigid matrix I run golden touch and buy the blood or diamond from the last shop every run

Do this when you’re starting out in the game if you can stand it. Makes a big farming difference

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:28 PM

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How do you get ambrosia after the first time you beat 3rd world

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Need more postgame difficulty

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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pliant turtle How do you get ambrosia after the first time you beat 3rd world

You cant

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You need to beat the game

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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trade for it in the shop

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Once you’ve beaten a floor you can’t get more rewards until the whole run is clear

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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Ohhhhhh

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i see

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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I'm on heat 10 and I'm to my ears in ambrosia, never needed to buy it

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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so when you get a run complete, rewards reset?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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After which you can be paid a whole nother set for your next level of difficulty

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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frigid matrix I'm on heat 10 and I'm to my ears in ambrosia, never needed to buy it

Same

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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And on and on

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For each weapon

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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yeah, every new difficulty is new bounties per weapon @pliant turtle

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:29 PM

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There is a limit tho

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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At 20, which is way up there

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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Cool stuff

mighty raft Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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But by then you shoudl have enough to buy every aspect to max

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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You will have more than enough to be 100%ed long before you find that limit if you farm

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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so hammers are important for bow huh?

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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yeah, I'm almost done maxing every weapon and only up to heat 10 or 11

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:30 PM

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i neglect them more often than not, until recently with chiron

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:31 PM

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my first clear was with the sword, chiron doesn't feel powerful until you have it max level

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:31 PM

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Also what charm do you run for run clearing? im currently using the thanatos one

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:31 PM

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shield is very good on the last boss, just it's a little slower playstyle

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:32 PM

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not charm

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keepsake

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:32 PM

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I usually do the god specific keepsakes to make my build what I want

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:32 PM

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i switch on 3rd world

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Lay off the than one for a while until you develop a little more as a player

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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butterfly keepsake is not really good for first clear imo, unless you're good enough to get to the last boss at 25%+

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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fresh current Punch “intermediate hades sword techniques” into YouTube and you’ll see

I havnt seen many regarding just nemesis but the techniques seems simple enough. really utilize dash-striking

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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i have yet to invest nectar to each god

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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Than sounds appetizing on paper but its a bit of a trap

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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one nectar for every god, do that first @pliant turtle

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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You have to actually not get hit in later floors for it to make a difference

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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@frigid matrix i end up around 30% most of the time

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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And you can’t just take it on and off

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:33 PM

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you haven't cleared the final boss but can do 30% butterfly?

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lol

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Yeah

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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you're a weird one

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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i had a good lead on final boss then didnt realize it was multiphase

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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are people also talking about the new patch here

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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and then i wiped

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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grim iris I havnt seen many regarding just nemesis but the techniques seems simple enough....

Yeah. The tech is in using that special - dash strike combo almost exclusively

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Which is just a muscle memory thing to learn

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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just takes practice, he's not that hard

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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yeah thats how i beat him with the sword orignally

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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Because its easy to throw out of rhythm

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:34 PM

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just spammed dash strike

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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It seems

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i will now farm titan blood like a slave

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Spamming dash strike the right way is literally record-holding optimal Nemesis play lol

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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wut

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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You heard me

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the right way

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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glad my titan blood wont go to waste

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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i am confused

frigid matrix Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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sword is about dash strikes

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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Nemesis in particular

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:35 PM

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what r u guys talking about

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Sword is best played in a particular way

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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so

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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That involves almost exclusively dash striking and never attacking

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I was trying to advise on the subject

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That’s all

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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special + dash strike

pliant turtle Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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so, thoughts on what to aim for with bow upgrade wise?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:36 PM

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Whoooo boy

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For zag boy there’s a lot of good ones

grim iris Feb 2, 2021, 7:37 PM

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will crit count towards Privledged Status?

fresh current Feb 2, 2021, 7:37 PM

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You mostly want to focus on attack hammers

analog radish Feb 2, 2021, 7:37 PM

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all the bows are fun