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#h1-for-new-players
zenith sentinel
safe pasture
yeah I expected that
sleek axle
Spoiler that
safe pasture
beating zeus lmao
zenith sentinel
The game is named hades
sleek axle
You see what you did phierle
normal viper
what
sleek axle
Spoiler it
muted latch
final boss and on are spoilers
normal viper
?? you guys playing a diff game or something?
zenith sentinel
Skelly is final boss ban me
normal viper
-ban @zenith sentinel refusing to cooperate when told to spoiler their messages
normal viper
||
urban hinge
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muted latch
||message here||
urban hinge
DUDE CMON
uneven ledge
The game is named hades
bro spoiler that smhsmhsmh
zenith sentinel
Hey i put spoiler around it!
muted latch
the game is called Redacted
zenith sentinel
Enter ||8675309|| to unlock ||purple prose soliloquy from cerbie||
normal viper
none
uneven ledge
yeah, definitely depends
muted latch
outside of a very few ones that are just underpowered
normal viper
though one thing i would prioritize definitely is the fated list of minor prophecies from the house contractor
muted latch
every single boon in the game is useful in some ways
safe pasture
I like the cosmic egg because I like the chaos gateways and definitely not because I want to just listen to the chaos ambient music
normal viper
the second you see it, grab it
uneven ledge
you absolutely want to avoid tempest strike if you're using fists but if you're using rail it's a good choice
normal viper
cosmic egg is worst keepsake in game lmao
jk
have you gifted each of the olympian gods yet?
safe pasture
nope
safe pasture
saving my nectar
safe pasture
why?
normal viper
distribute that stuff like its candy
safe pasture
I want to save for a companion for now
normal viper
id recommend giving one nectar to every person in the game
you cant get a companion this early
its a late game thing
uneven ledge
i'd recommend just passing around nectar whenever you can
and i mean every chance you get
safe pasture
I already beat ||theseus|| so I got the ||ambrosia||
uneven ledge
if "Gift" appears you gift the nectar no questions asked trust me it's gonna benefit you later
normal viper
companions are later
urban hinge
oh I had a question
normal viper
if "Gift" appears you gift the nectar no questions asked trust me it's gonna ben...
^^
safe pasture
well alright
urban hinge
is it useful to give multiple nectars to the same person?
uneven ledge
distant memory
zenith sentinel
Yes
uneven ledge
lmao
normal viper
is it useful to give multiple nectars to the same person?
yes, but after youve given atleast one nectar to everyone
normal viper
distant memory
LMAO
urban hinge
got it
uneven ledge
distant memory is totally inconsistent and useless and in styx it just straight up does nothing
safe pasture
zenith sentinel
Colar helped me beat the game
normal viper
collar worst keepsake in the game shut
uneven ledge
doesn't exactly seem like he needs the tooth since he's already beaten the game with 3 dds
normal viper
oh has he?
safe pasture
uneven ledge
one dd*
muted latch
well early on you dont have a much choice
uneven ledge
apparently he didn't even use it goddamn
muted latch
lucky tooth or collar are all good
normal viper
lmao
normal viper
also, if youre struggling with any boss of a region, give nectar to eurydice
and get her keepsake
normal viper
shield worst weapon in the game boi
urban hinge
shield bad bow good
zenith sentinel
I am having most fun when i play with ||god mode on|| and so i hope no one feels their pride is shot of they get frustrated and do it
uneven ledge
rail bad
normal viper
shield bad bow good
yes
uneven ledge
everything else good
zenith sentinel
Spear is great if you get the perfect hammer to it
safe pasture
basically I spam dash attack and then bullrush
dash attack backwards bullrush
repeat
normal viper
yeah dash attacking is useful for all weapons
safe pasture
it's fun and if I get parry on dash I'm invincible
urban hinge
I gotta get used to the dash attacks
zenith sentinel
Parry on attack is out standing
normal viper
@safe pasture after youve gotten comfortable with a weapon, i would recommend you try out specific builds for it
urban hinge
do I not have image perms?
safe pasture
where can I find builds for weapons?
normal viper
like equip a god's keepsake so that they show up, and then go for a build
safe pasture
@urban hinge channels don't have image perms in general
normal viper
do I not have image perms?
no one does, not in this channel
#h1-victory-boasting has image perms
uneven ledge
the other shield aspects are also fun
normal viper
where can I find builds for weapons?
on the internet :)
safe pasture
: )
urban hinge
What's the funny bag that the shop guy sells you
normal viper
What's the funny bag that the shop guy sells you
mystery boon
normal viper
yep
uneven ledge
there's also another cool funny bag that appears later
safe pasture
I like it when I want a fun run
uneven ledge
don't worry you'll see it later :))
safe pasture
there's also another cool funny bag that appears later
👀
normal viper
there's also another cool funny bag that appears later
ahahahha
sleek axle
Yeah it's really cool
normal viper
yeah
safe pasture
oh
urban hinge
funny bag 😳
normal viper
its very good
urban hinge
hueh
normal viper
id recommend you take it 10/10 times
urban hinge
a mystery for now
safe pasture
||cerb satyr fodder bag?||
uneven ledge
you make it sound like there's something really bad in it
normal viper
something else
normal viper
no
safe pasture
do it
normal viper
take it and discover for yourself
safe pasture
where do I find it then
zenith sentinel
Mysteries are the best
safe pasture
grr
normal viper
where do I find it then
while playing the game developed by supergiant, commonly known as Hades
zenith sentinel
The game is built on you experiencing new things
normal viper
lol
urban hinge
I just got my ass handed to me by a pink ball
uneven ledge
power couple on ||mm|| makes my head hurt
zenith sentinel
I ||died laughing|| on first time. My friend told me to ||just wait and see||
sly vigil
elysium is just hell in general
It's funny because that's the Underworld heaven.
zenith sentinel
Warning: this game contains ||scenes||
uneven ledge
warning: this game contains ||characters||
twin light
Isn’t the game rated T
uneven ledge
not those scenes
cyan vault
Those are Ob scenes.
long moss
shield is often so op for the survive chambers mfg
stiff lintel
yeah you literally just hold it up and hide in a corner haha
I mean you miss out on some gold but at least you don't lose health
long moss
some enemies can manage to somehow get behind you sometimes, but not often
long moss
WOAH
the security log
and the perm record
damn this room I unlocked is so cool
though I still should have bought it last
not first
does gemstones have any actual value?
other than trading, aesthetics, and a prophecy I finished?
brave bough
underworld upgrades are pretty useful
brave bough
you don't have the house contractor yet?
long moss
I am wondering if they have any value as themselves
I have the contractor
the contractor menu doesn't call them upgrades
long moss
work orders
all the other things you can do with him are "worthless" (aesthetics)
except for the viewing thingy in the bedroom
I was wondering if they have any use without trading them into diamonds
cuz it's f*ing 5k gemstones for a single diamond
15k to get an upgrade (atm)
long moss
if you don't have any nectar or keys to supply it, yes
and you would prefer keys and nectar to getting gems
muted latch
if you havent bought a lot of lounge upgrades, save the gemstones
long moss
you talking about how the contractor upgrades useless aesthetics?
muted latch
the aesthetics are not completely useless
brave bough
thye're pretty though
muted latch
there are a couple things that have hidden usage
long moss
if you havent bought a lot of lounge upgrades, save the gemstones
I bought enough to get the prophecy
and I bought the bedroom thing
that is useful
anything else with secret functionality?
THAT IS WHAT I AM ASKING FOR
FUNCTIONALITY DAMNIT
muted latch
oh you should be good to trade them away then
long moss
THANK YOU
finally an actual answer
they have no more individual functionality anymore
muted latch
gemstones to keys, keys to nectar, nectar to ambrosia, ambrosia to blood
brave bough
there are multiple prophecies where you need to renovate the house that unlock later
long moss
cuz I have a few work orders
muted latch
the diamond trade is kinda inefficient
long moss
but it exists
muted latch
those dont cost gemstones so it'll be safe
long moss
the fact it exists means I can get work orders faster
long moss
there are multiple prophecies where you need to renovate the house that unlock l...
I think I already mentioned that I did that
if there's another that isn't for 30 orders, then ok sure
brave bough
there are prophecies for renovating different rooms of the house i think
long moss
A Simple Job just is just 30 total
could you look ingame and know that it isn't "I think" but actually "I know for a fact cuz I just looked"
you can look at finished prophecies; they're blacked out and at the bottom
brave bough
there is one for completely renovating the lounge
long moss
are infernal gate challenges the one that contributes to a prophecy?
sleek axle
Are you talking about ||erebus gates||?
long moss
idfk
the thing that has a skull and 2 red carets
sleek axle
Is it like on fire
long moss
there's a prophecy about beating certain enemies that are in important rooms or some crap
long moss
possibly
sleek axle
That's defeating minibosses
swift pasture
Just look for rooms with the skull difficulty thing
sleek axle
Theres no minibosses in ||erebus gates||
long moss
I have 4 left and they're damn ??????
and idk which f*ing floor they're on
sleek axle
Styx probably
long moss
I'll tell you which I have beat after I end this run
swift pasture
They'll pop up over playing normally tbh
sleek axle
And I think one of them is in tartarus that appears later on
long moss
I have reached styx
I have bypassed doggo
is this "later on"?
cuz the game DEF changed after that run
or is it after a won run?
after I ||defeat dad||
swift pasture
I forget what causes that one to pop up, let me check the wiki
long moss
just to be more specific incase bypass doggo isn't this specific, ||I have gone outside into the wintery wonderland of big sad demeter||
swift pasture
ah, you've now met the conditions for it to show, it's now just random chance what the game gives you to fight
long moss
ok I'll tell you the list of minibosses I beat after this run ends and I can look
and I'll put the list in spoilers just incase
and if I could get a response of what floors I NEED to do minibosses on, and what floors I can just avoid them if I want to (tbf F2 minibosses kill me more than the actual f*ing boss on that floor) that would be great
alpine ridge
You can skip minibosses in every Zone, it's just a little hard to do so
because it's sometimes just RNG
long moss
...
I am asking which I need for a prophecy
alpine ridge
you can be offered all miniboss rooms sometimes
long moss
I want to get it asap
alpine ridge
oh right ok
long moss
go on the floors I need for the prophecy I wanna do every miniboss I see on that floor
even if it is F2 even if it'll give me ||the witch circle|| 25% of the time or whatever cuz I HATE THAT DAMN MINIBOSS
I'll still do every F2 miniboss if that is necessary so I can get the prophecy asap
||the witch circle|| is so damn hard to attack all sides
like mfg
I can actually manage to beat the F2 boss at 4 health with no DDs
or get him to 2/3 dead but die to him floor stomping because I forgot that happened like an idiot
cuz the bosses are actually 100% avoidable like in souls-likes
swift pasture
||the witch circle|| is so damn hard to attack all sides
like mfg
I can actually...
Just get a deflect boon, it becomes much easier
long moss
I'd rather skip athena so I can get the other prophecies done
besides the last time I was offered athena was before today, so some time before the last 4ish runs, IDR before then
alpine ridge
if it's not offered, your attack and special can usually clear projectiles
long moss
ik
alpine ridge
except on the Rail i think
uneven ledge
are there codex entries for minibosses?
long moss
and I try to during ||the witch circle||
and I always miss 20 degrees or some bs and get hit every third second
alpine ridge
are there codex entries for minibosses?
yep
long moss
OH
uneven ledge
are they in "others of note"
long moss
leme just tell you the codex entries I have then
if I have more than 4 missing cuz I died to one well f*
they're mixed with the reg foes
but I can tell the diff
alpine ridge
I actually think they're in the enemies section
sleek axle
Minibosses are in the foes section
alpine ridge
others of note are NPC's
swift pasture
They're mixed in, yeah
uneven ledge
really? i think i've already looked through the foes and the only miniboss that was there is the vermin
swift pasture
Nah, it's got stuff like the megagorgon and doomstone too iirc
@long moss when you can, send a pic/screenshot of what the prophecy for minibosses says. That'll be the easiest way to see what you're missing.
long moss
||wretched sneak, which def is the new post seeing end boss F1 mini
doomstone
spreader?
mega gorgon
splitter?
gigantic vermin||
that's a lot less than the prophecy said I beat
so I might just need to say the prophecy, oh well
alpine ridge
strange not to see ||inferno-bomber||
that's usually the first miniboss everyone sees i think
a screenshot migth be best i think
swift pasture
^
long moss
strange not to see ||inferno-bomber||
I have that
I just thought maybe it only meant the f2 one lol
the fact that f1 miniboss is just an ez enemy on f2 is wierd
swift pasture
Nah, they count as a miniboss in T and just enemies in A
long moss
yk
unless you're swamped by enemies
it is possible to avoid every attack
and I love this
this makes this rogue-lite similar in part to souls-likes in this way
usually rogue-likes afaik are turn based attacks and it's often unavoidable to not be hit
I think turnbased might be a req to be rogue-like but idk
but rogue-lites don't have to ofc
and thus rogue-likes you can die at no fault of your own
just rng or smtn
uneven ledge
turns out only a few of the minibosses are in the codex
alpine ridge
rogue-lite's are mostly real time in my experience
uneven ledge
the ones in styx aren't there except for the vermin
alpine ridge
there's maybe only Slay the Spire that's turn based i think
long moss
oh yeah slay the spire is a rogue-lite
I played maybe like 30% of what that game has to offer
alpine ridge
Dead Cells, Gungeon, ROgue Legacy, are all real time
swift pasture
the ones in styx aren't there except for the vermin
Aren't they just elite enemies anyway?
formal rover
slay the spire and all of its clones
long moss
it isn't as fun to play continuously StS as it is Hades
long moss
slay the spire ~~and all of its clones~~
only seen one clone and it was mobile
uneven ledge
Aren't they just elite enemies anyway?
elite enemies are just armored enemies
swift pasture
Yeah
formal rover
there are a few
uneven ledge
plus if that's the case then what about megagorgon
formal rover
Roguebook and Monster Train spring to mind
long moss
Dead Cells, Gungeon, ROgue Legacy, are all real time
I love gungeon
it is a rogue-lite
but it is another major genre as well
bullet hell
swift pasture
Well, megagorgon is much larger and shoots more projectiles, it's not just an enemy with armor and one souped up move.
Otherwise no clue
long moss
gungeon I also think you can't really play forever
like you can do like 30% of the game then it just gets boring
there's a LOT more to unlock in gungeon tho
alpine ridge
Given the amount of content in Gungeon, i'm pretty sure you can play forever
uneven ledge
i decided to install a billion gungeon mods and honestly it still felt stale
long moss
and a little bit more I could have unlocked in StS
long moss
Given the amount of content in Gungeon, i'm pretty sure you can play forever
imo not and enjoy it tho
long moss
i decided to install a billion gungeon mods and honestly it still felt stale
this so much
uneven ledge
even though i've unlocked like less than 1% of all the modded items i've added
although unlocking everything with how many mods i have on gungeon is very unrealistic
long moss
idk maybe it's just something about souls-likes that are endlessly enjoyable
and this game is borderline souls-like
even if it isn't
alpine ridge
arguably having less content in Hades is a plus
because there are less "bad choices"
swift pasture
^
uneven ledge
i'm not exaggerating when i tell you there's like hundreds of modded items that are still just ? marks on my save
alpine ridge
I don't think its wrong to say that everything is useful in Hades
long moss
there is also the fact that Hades has a LOT more lore than gungeon does
alpine ridge
every boon and every weapon
swift pasture
I don't think its wrong to say that everything is useful in Hades
Well, outside of the cosmetics, yeah
long moss
gungeon's lore is just the item descriptions and the end boss
uneven ledge
hades is greek mythology
long moss
hades
so much lore
so much rpg on the lore side
alpine ridge
Well, outside of the cosmetics, yeah
cosmetics are useful to make the house pretty
long moss
hades is *greek mythology*
but it also has its own non-true mythology lore
formal rover
ah yes, non-true mythology
long moss
though the fact it is based off greek myths is a HUGE bonus flavor wise
formal rover
as opposed to regular mythology, which actually happened
long moss
actually was thought to be true by people in the past*
it was a religeon dude
this game has a lot of stuff that isn't in that religeon
formal rover
yeah jks i get what you mean
long moss
rick riordan's books afaik are a lot more true to that religion than Hades is
mighty raft
Hades is close but they had to make some changes to fit in with the story
long moss
Hades is def closeish though
like
movies like Hercules exist lol
Hercules is 2% accurate lol
formal rover
lmao hercules
long moss
Hercules fills me with rage
formal rover
even his name is only half right
long moss
LOL YEAH THE MOVIE IS HIS ROMAN NAME RIGHT?
formal rover
^^^
long moss
BUT THE MOVIE IS SUPPOSED TO BE GREEK LMAO
mighty raft
wut
long moss
I am obsessed with Greek Mythology
If you aren't atleast 90% accurate I will piss on your existance
mighty raft
lol
long moss
like f* Hercules to all high hell that movie is a disgrace
Hades and Rick Riordan get my blessing (not like anyone cares about having it cuz it's not like they know me lol)
mighty raft
lmao
long moss
I will say though, the Rick Riordan series about Apollo getting turned mortal is stretching it a bit more than his other stuff does
formal rover
honestly (speaking as someone with basically zero myth knowledge) the stories are often better when the writers know what they’re talking about as well
at least a bit
mighty raft
It atleast gets all the roman emperors and stuff right
formal rover
lol when i started playing this game i thought they made zagreus up
mighty raft
Which is why this is like my second favorite game of all time
formal rover
turns out they just more educated than me
long moss
Disney when they made Hercules and also I think Rick Riordan's movies? I watched the 2nd and hated it lol
they clearly know like 2% of the myths
mighty raft
Jesus christ the percy jackson movies were ajsoidfjoiwaejf
fresh current
The joke that Dionysus and Zagreus play together confirmed that SGG really did this one right
formal rover
was there more than one percy jackson movie?
fresh current
Like that is a deep, deep cut right there
long moss
was there more than one percy jackson movie?
oh yes
fresh current
Y’all
mighty raft
In ancient Greek religion and mythology, Zagreus (Greek: Ζαγρεύς) was sometimes identified with a god worshiped by the followers of Orphism, the "first Dionysus", a son of Zeus and Persephone, who was dismembered by the Titans and reborn.[1] However, in the earliest mention of Zagreus, he is paired with Gaia and called the "highest" god, though perhaps only in reference to the gods of the underworld. Aeschylus, however, links Zagreus with Hades, possibly as Hades' son, or as Hades himself.[2] Noting "Hades' identity as Zeus' katachthonios alter ego", Timothy Gantz thought it "likely" that Zagreus, perhaps originally the son of Hades and Persephone, later merged with the Orphic Dionysus, the son of Zeus and Persephone.[3].
Found this on wikipedia
formal rover
i know nothing about the myths and didn’t read the books and even i could tell it was a terrible movie
fresh current
Can you imagine an old gods style series with the Greeks reinterpreted
That would be a riot
long moss
turns out they just more educated than me
oh yeah I treat Rick Riordan like it is 100% accurate "historic" fiction
it isn't a wikipedia article
but like
it's like if wikipedia was turned into a entertaining fiction book
fresh current
I would pay very good money to watch Zeus and Hera destroy a penthouse in yet another Maritial dispute
mighty raft
lmao
long moss
damnit
I didn't copy any of that
or remember any of that
I am 100% confident Rick Riordan's greek gods and the related book from percy's perspective that is like percy writing greek mythology wikipedia is 100% accurate
I have no doubt he wrote that accurately
mighty raft
yeah
long moss
I bought/was gifted both of those to me
IDK if there was a small size but I got the big book size
long moss
I treat whatever Rick writes as Canon tbh
lol so true
sleek axle
The Greeks? They're dead
formal rover
rick riordan modern homer confirmed
long moss
only his own books could prove him wrong if he started doing inaccurate crap
who reads mythology pages on wikipedia?
sleek axle
Only wiki I need is a Rick riordan book
long moss
yep
sleek axle
Rick could literally say that the Greek gods are like cosmic entities that eat entire galaxies and id be like 'yeah that makes sense'
mighty raft
lol
long moss
I am confident that his non-fiction "Greek Gods" and I think the other is... "Greek Heroes"?... books literally accurately replace a bunch of wikipedia articles
long moss
Rick could literally say that the Greek gods are like cosmic entities that eat e...
no
cuz his first series would prove him wrong
lol
mighty raft
I am confident that his non-fiction "Greek Gods" and I think the other is... "Gr...
Plus its entertaining to read
I own the greek gods book and ive re read it multiple times
long moss
while wikipedia is minimum entertaining
it is only as entertaining as you find learning to be entertaininf
mighty raft
Wikipedias just boring
long moss
Greek Gods is written from percy's perspective so it's fun cuz a teen wrote all of it
and he knew the gods personally (sorta) and so he can talk about them accurately
Percy has a great sense of humor
I also really like Riordan's Norse series
sleek axle
Never read his Egyptian series
Wasn't interested at all tbh
The norse stuff was fantastic tho
mighty raft
yeah
long moss
also the best best thing about Riordan
his books have great lgbt and culture rep
they got a muslim
they got a nonbinary (though just saying the fact she was a daughter of Loki is actually not great for being genderfluid irl, cuz if you're genderfluid you might think "well I'm not as fluid as her so I'm not genderfluid" so she really should have been a daughter of like some other random norse god so that she wouldn't have the ability to make it so obvious (BTW IK I just said she/her for her, and I think that is right to do because she HATES they/them, and she's either a girl or a dude
and when talking about her and she isn't present, I think just choosing one of the two, she/her or he/him, at random for the whole time you talk about her is the best you can do)
(though ofc if you know her current pronouns, if she were a real person, use those ofc
I guess if you're actively reading the norse books you should use the pronouns she last made it clear hers were, or if it's been long enough, just assume it swapped to the opposite
but if you aren't actively reading Riordan's books just choose one of the two at random)
(though, actually probably alternate not choose at random
so in one sitting you use she/her, next sitting you talk about her you use he/him, etc.)
IDR enough but pretty sure he has some other good rep too
long moss
lol I am a less obvious genderfluid enby so yeah
I care a lot about my brothers and sisters and siblings of LGBTQIA+
BACK TO THE GAME
AND TO STOP RANTING mfg
long moss
it was
I love RR and mythology so f*ing much
I can go on such long rants about that crap
mighty raft
lol
long moss
wait
the red trident-ish shape is ares right? for the boons?
wtf is that supposed to be
WAIT NVM
IT'S A SWORD
with like a flame behind it?
but that's ares right?
long moss
ok good
mighty raft
When I first got the game I used to get scammed between athena and coins
I used to mix them up all the time
long moss
lol
but they're so diff
one has the symbol of hades on it (outlines a ! for some reason...)
other is a shield
long moss
like not being able to tell 2 huskies apart
you just didn't know what they were well enough
I can tell 2 huskies with the same colors and crap apart
mighty raft
Yeah
swift pasture
I mostly spot Athena's by the dots she has around her symbol
cyan vault
👆
long moss
idr what her shield symbol looks like lol
I just know it's a shield of the top of my head
and doesn't have a ! Hades symbol on it
swift pasture
I remember seeing it once and being confused because I was fairly sure that wasn't how the coins looked.
long moss
yk what is sorta funny
Hades' symbol (especially when the tips touch)
makes me think SO MUCH of the Steven Universe diamond greeting gesture
"[greetings? or is it hello? or smtn idfk], my Diamond."
when I use the Rail and I have a room I know I won't take damage on, I intentionally refuse to use my special just to enjoy it a little longer cuz I know there's no need to use it anyways lol
this game has all the best elements of souls-likes without at all being one lol
mighty raft
Using the rail just fills me with joy
I got my first sub 15 run with it
Im trying to get sub 13
long moss
well me not using special is intentionally not getting sub anything lol
long moss
but also I haven't beat the game yet so I'm not trying to speedrun yet
oh hell you know my runs after I win are gonna be speedruns though
mighty raft
My best time is 10:47
wow
blazing trout
My least favorite is spear
long moss
but until I unlock ALL of the dark, until literally I can't even try to unlock anything anymore in the mirror on both sides, I will still use fists when they have a dark boost
but after I'll only use the one weapon I like the most for what I am trying to do at that moment
for speedrunning that'll prob be the Rail? not sure tho
the rail special is so good
swift pasture
I'd say the rail. Not that I don't enjoy it, but it's the one weapon I haven't gotten a win with yet.
long moss
though some enemies can be real hard to hit with the rail special
and some rooms are just hell with the rail
||like the witch circle unless you have some specific boons||
blazing trout
I like bow the most out of the other weapons
swift pasture
I like bow the most out of the other weapons
Same
lunar orchid
rail special is ok but it (understandably) doesn't do much damage
sleek axle
Rail special is kinda eh unless you get rocket bomb
long moss
rail special does plenty of dmg
it is low DPS tho prolly
but higher DPS than the primary afaik with no boons
rocket bomb is the one that just shoots linearly in front of you right?
sleek axle
Yeah
lunar orchid
i mean the special does 60 damage with long start lag
long moss
also just asking
is it wrong to call the hammer enhancements boons?
what are they actually called?
lunar orchid
it's the radius that's the main draw
swift pasture
They're just called hammer upgrades I think
long moss
the radius is largeish
like the enemies that sorta dash or just leap def will get out of the radius
but it can get a lot of enemies if they don't dash or leap
lunar orchid
yea the main issue/drawback is just how long it takes
lunar orchid
what do you mean it causes the dps
long moss
the fact it takes a long time to land causes it to have low dps
sleek axle
Rocket bomb + cluster 😩 😩
mighty raft
You get to damge boost instantly
Triple bomb is also decent with eris
But cluster is better
long moss
Wretched Louts are the bane of the special
I am only like 40% confident my special fire will hit them
and only if I am putting a lot of effort trying to hit them
if I am trying to hit something else it's like 5% confident
ofc rocket bomb will hit them tho
lunar orchid
not to sound like hypnos but have you tried leading your shots
sleek axle
"You can't hit the louts? Have you tried aiming at them?" -hypnos probably
lunar orchid
if you're only 5% confident you'll hit most enemies with it why are you saying it's so good
or am i misunderstanding
long moss
hypnos gives advice about not dying
so no that isn't hypnos
long moss
if you're only 5% confident you'll hit most enemies with it why are you saying i...
I'm 5% confident I'll hit the lout if I am aiming for something else
cuz usually that means it might be in the range rn
but ofc it's gonna dodge
sometimes it doesn't tho
lunar orchid
one of his lines is him telling you to try attacking greatshields when their guard is down before realizing it's never down
mighty raft
Just aim where you are standing
long moss
but the stuff I am aiming at that isn't a lout I am 100% confident
mighty raft
Or a bit ahead mabye
sleek axle
hypnos gives advice about not dying
so no that isn't hypnos
Damn it's a joke
Not everything has to be literal
long moss
I have ASD
I never aim where I am standing
if a lout is coming for me I am gonna dash to be NOWHERE near it so that is usually a bad idea to aim where I am standing, a mile away from it
lunar orchid
aim where you're standing and THEN dodge
long moss
(ASD stands for Autism Spectrum Disorder btw)
swift pasture
Or just dodge then shoot before they charge again
mighty raft
Honestly by the time you special you should be able to kill them with the gun
long moss
~~I have ASD~~
btw if you think me going this meant I was joking or lying
I was not
I do have ASD
I just thought it made sense to be like eeee
lunar orchid
yeah if the special isn't effective on an enemy then don't use the special on them???
mighty raft
My strategy is special at them, dash towards them, shoot a couple of shots, and then run away
I also try and stand behind them for backstab bonus
It works pretty well
long moss
I never try to backstab
I just let it happen on accident
swift pasture
I try if I remember too
lunar orchid
weird strategy but ok
swift pasture
But I'm normally hitting from all sides as I dash around anyway
mighty raft
I just kinda skirt around them
While my special is landing
As long as you're near them, the special should land
long moss
weird strategy but ok
I don't think their facing is consistent enough? idk I could be wrong
ooo hammer or store
this is a really hard choice
long moss
9
rail
156/160
I need rail hammer upgrades for prophecy
324 obols
mighty raft
Go store if in asphodel or tartarus
long moss
how common is a hammer in a store?
long moss
I think I should pick the hammer then no?
btw my goal rn is prophecies not winning
swift pasture
I'd say hammer
long moss
if I win that's a side coincidental bonus
I want my prophecies
so yeah hammer
damn
my luck was bad
mighty raft
what are the options
long moss
I have the room rerolls rn
but mfg the fact you can't reroll a hammer even if you have the rerolls that work on more than just boons is bs
I think I can decide which is the best on my own
long moss
btw my luck being bad is in relation to prophecies
I didn't look at what they are yet
just that none help prophecy progress
I bet my luck is good in relation to what hammer upgrades
I'll say after I decide so you can't change my mind
mighty raft
ok
swift pasture
I have the room rerolls rn
but mfg the fact you can't reroll a hammer even if yo...
eh, it'd be op tbh.
long moss
seeking fire
triple bomb
hazard bomb
fresh current
Some weapons in particular would be busted
mighty raft
Guan yu would be like the best spear
fresh current
Looking at you zag bow
mighty raft
I've had to reset so many runs with guan yu because I couldn't get charged skewer
swift pasture
Absolutely, I'd grab the +4 special for Chiron every single time.
fresh current
And honestly if you could roll zag rail into shotgun the Meta would just stop there forever
mighty raft
tru chiron would also be busted
long moss
seeking fire is useless
I'm going hazard bomb that's right right?
cuz 400%>100%x3
mighty raft
Dont pick it if you're using eris
I almost chose it when running eris and then I remember what the weapon did
swift pasture
I like seeking fire personally, but triple bomb is probably your best bet.
mighty raft
Yeah triple bomb
swift pasture
Hazard bomb gets risky in smaller rooms
long moss
if you're talking aspects, all of mine are still zag
long moss
why do you like seeking fire?
it is only useful to shoot around pillars
if hazard bomb is bad in a room just don't use it lol
mighty raft
idk seeking fire does a bit more damage I think
long moss
that's usually during (mini)bosses anyways so like
I prob can assume I won't take any damage if I don't use it
swift pasture
I like seeking fire on moving targets mainly, plus the bit of damage increase
swift pasture
I'm aware, but it's still extra damage.
fresh current
Seeking fire plays into accuracy through volume when playing rail
swift pasture
^
long moss
dude all of my fires hit
like wdym
like 10% miss
fresh current
Ask yourself how much extra damage those 6 lightning bolts are worth
mighty raft
Idk all my shots normally hit while using rail
long moss
10% of the time
fresh current
By accuracy I mean success and by success I mean damage
swift pasture
Whereas an Artemis build, you want every extra shot to hit to get as many crits as possible.
long moss
90% of the time the enemy is 100% guarantee I hit
then the 10% hard enemies I hit them 50-90% of the time
fresh current
^^^^ same
fresh current
This isn’t an accuracy conversation pinecone, I shouldn’t have used that analogy
You’re right, accuracy is not the issue
long moss
I like seeking fire on moving targets mainly, plus the bit of damage increase
ATalks can't hit moving targets apparently lol
lunar orchid
man no need to be rude
cyan vault
I had to decide between that and bouncing bullets on my clear. Decided that the ricochet was too good to pass up.
swift pasture
Just Talks is fine, and while I can, it's more so just nice to have in my opinion.
long moss
You’re right, accuracy is not the issue
then why choose it?
fresh current
Brain fart? Bad example?
cyan vault
It comes down to play style though.
I was running a impending doom build with eris and wanted loads of stacks.
long moss
Aurash gimme your actual reason to use it that isn't the 10%
increasing special to 100%x3 or 400% is like a 30% increase to dps instead of just 9.5% increase
lunar orchid
what's the fire rate on the rail again?
cyan vault
The 10% on the attack was minimal compared to the 600 damage from the doom that was applied to someone else. Essentially giving me an extra 100% damage.
mighty raft
Im trying to unlcok ||gilgamesh|| for a merciful end run bcs that looks so much fun
long moss
it's an AR
lunar orchid
if it was 10/s that would make the special kind of irrelevant
cyan vault
I think the officially clocked rate of fire is “fast and getting faster”.
lunar orchid
considering if you hit all your shots that's 100 damage in a second vs 60
low temple
I guess 10% dmg boost is somewhat nice for aspect of eris(nt sure if it's the one with empowered shot)
cyan vault
If you can hit the target, special can fire twice in a second.
So that would be 120 from special.
long moss
ingame
IK that the one special shot usually kills an enemy instantly if buffed by a hammer
unbuffed it does 50%
with atk it takes like 5-10 seconds to kill them
so no
the 10% increase is not good enough
that'll make it 4.5-9 seconds if I don't special at all
cyan vault
If you’re close and have the scatter bombs and hit all five then that’s like a 4x damage
swift pasture
I guess 10% dmg boost is somewhat nice for aspect of eris(nt sure if it's the on...
Eris boosts all damage after absorbing your special, Hestia is the empowered shot after manually reloading.
long moss
I'm still super confident about Hazard Bomb
lunar orchid
yeah hazard bomb's p good unless you're running eris
cyan vault
I haven’t taken it yet because I’ve been running rail when it’s offered.
That’s just a bad idea.
long moss
OH DAMN
IT DIDN'T TELL ME IT INCREASES THE RANGE
HAZARD BOMB IS F*ING AMAZING HOLY CRAP
mighty raft
Hestia feels too clunky for my liking
lunar orchid
yeah but that's a double-edged sword because that means it's easier to hit yourself with it
swift pasture
^
long moss
yeah but that's a double-edged sword because that means it's easier to hit yours...
idgaf that I can't use it in some chambers
those chambers that are small contain enemies I won't take damage to
lunar orchid
you know you can still hit yourself with it even in big chambers right
also that's bold, you never knoooow
long moss
I shot it once and now I know exactly how far away I have to minimum fire
swift pasture
I've thought that many times and was wrong many times
lunar orchid
unless it bounces off a pillar
lunar orchid
no problem
long moss
I have my dashes tho
low temple
Hestia feels too clunky for my liking
I like hestia, clears tartarus very quickly
swift pasture
I need to try Hestia again and see if I can get the hang of it more
long moss
if I fire it centered on myself, I can use 2 dashes to get out of the center
so it doesn't matter
lunar orchid
it feels fun
snipey snipey
low temple
Yea, plays like a sniper
mighty raft
Its good with richotech fire
long moss
btw I am testing this all out while still in the hammer room so I can test without enemies
mighty raft
Idk i fi spelled that right
lunar orchid
ricochet
mighty raft
I've gotten 2k crits with arthur but only like 1k with hestia
long moss
oh it does tell you lol how did I not see that
the hammer upgrade says "in a large area"
mfg hazard bomb is SO MUCH BETTER
long moss
than the 3x shot
mighty raft
I guess
lunar orchid
3x shot is better for eris
low temple
Hestia led me to my first ||em4|| clear so I'm biased to it lol
long moss
again I am on zag aspect
lunar orchid
whats ur current clip size
long moss
3x shot works great with rocket bomb
yeah I def can't pick rocket bomb now for my own safety lol
16
I upped it once
lunar orchid
i don't think rocket and hazard are actually compatible
lunar orchid
yea i believe so
lunar orchid
oh yup, you cant have both
long moss
imagine how often you'd accidentally hit yourself when you expected not to
lol
those two would be a disaster together
would take a LOT of skill to use properly if you modded them to be capable of being used together
swift pasture
You'd clear rooms in seconds though
cyan vault
I think hestia specifically requires big swing in’ nukes
lunar orchid
hazard bomb actually doesn't do that much damage to you
long moss
You'd clear rooms in seconds though
it does if you use it 10 times
cyan vault
I’d almost absolutely want arty on it
long moss
so ok maybe only 100 damage from using it 3 times
lunar orchid
wiki says 1% damage
mighty raft
arty on hestia is decent
long moss
then rocket hazard bomb isn't actually any bad if you mod it to be compatible
low temple
Yep, crits 
long moss
you just need a lot of health lol
swift pasture
Wouldn't Hestia lend itself better to a more consistent damage output like Aphrodite's attack? Since you're shooting less often with it.
long moss
a centaur heart would literally save you from 1.66 bombs
cyan vault
Maybe weak on hestia with PP
long moss
ok back to the game to destroy with my new toy
low temple
Poseidon would be nice too on hestia
Does attack speed increase increases reload speed too?
mighty raft
artemis is probably the best in my opinion
long moss
damn I'm not even using atk
I'm just sitting on the opposite side of the room shooting hazards from afar and killing 2-7 enemies
mighty raft
Without the crits hestias not that great
long moss
artemis is probably the best in my opinion
I think this is prolly right
swift pasture
Does attack speed increase increases reload speed too?
Nah, just the attack cooldown
cyan vault
I want to huge number. Gimme more crits.
long moss
literally each hazard is either one or 2 shotting each enemy
so much damage
I used 4 bullets in that room cuz my last enemy was a single skull left over
long moss
Nah, just the attack cooldown
yeah it's pretty bad, though sadly hermes isn't as good on avg as the game makes him out to be, it can be the best choice sometimes
cyan vault
GY with charged shot
Or both. That’s fun.
Hoping to get a GY charged shot with the ricochet eventually.
long moss
actually on rail attack speed increase is pretty good right?
prolly like a 5-8% fire rate increase?
cyan vault
I haven’t run it with the butterfly. Trying to max out the other levels first.
Distant memory can be a blast though too.
long moss
wait what does it mean if the orb of the room has LONG sparkle lines and crap come off of it?
is it just an additional meaning that it's a difficult encounter, since those give double rewards so the reward is sparkly?
cyan vault
Get it?! A BLAST?!?!
It’s got vampires in it.
Cause it sparkles....
.....like in twilight.........
cyan vault
I am similarly equipped, but haven’t made it to the top floor.
mighty raft
It was hard but fun
low temple
Used up 5 defiance on my first gy attempt
long moss
is spending 22 obols on 8 health worth it if you would have exactly 350 obols after?
cyan vault
Nope
lunar orchid
8 health? lol no
long moss
but I have so much money
lunar orchid
yeah? save it
cyan vault
That’s like a side eye from redacted
lunar orchid
yeah but what if the well has something really good and you can't afford it
cyan vault
That last shop can get ‘spensive.
long moss
That last shop can get ‘spensive.
that is true
mighty raft
yup
long moss
again tho this isn't a run to win
this is a run to get prophecies finished
cyan vault
I don’t understand that one.
swift pasture
Still save for the last shop
cyan vault
But I’ve said my peace there.
swift pasture
Buying blood or a diamond is useful too
long moss
my point is idk if I'll last that far
last time I made it that far was like 8 runs ago
then again I have hazard bomb
lol
swift pasture
Well, do you really need something from the shop to keep living then?
If so, buy one thing
But I wouldn't spend too much if you're planning on saving it for a well/last shop/etc
long moss
I am "at" chamber 13 (next is a shop and I'm in 12, and in 12 has a well with a 22o for 8h(27h but near max health)) I have 3 DD still and I have hazard bomb
so I might expect to make it to F3 idk tho
swift pasture
That well deal is eh, you're wasting money by not getting all the health you're paying for.
long moss
with trying to get prophecies I have been dying earlier than when trying to win
boss is next right?
or is it 15?
long moss
if I try to win I'll be getting good boons and crap
prophecy requires getting specific boons
those specific boons sorta suck
I'd never pick them otherwise
lunar orchid
that’s the point
long moss
trying to do prophecy asap takes dedication
lunar orchid
encourages you to try out everything
long moss
I want prophecy more than a win rn
lunar orchid
kool
long moss
oh 50 is heal not centaur
stray terrace
oh man, that hammer upgrade that makes you leap forwards when you nova smash is just straight up detrimental
long moss
so ofc don't buy the 50o 8 health lol
low temple
Yea, forward leap sucks
lunar orchid
centaur heart costs like 150
long moss
125
boons are 150
wiki says hunter instinct doesn't need a god gauge boon, just a crit boon
is it lying?
lunar orchid
didn’t realize i was talking to Numbers Malone /j
long moss
if it isn't lying wtf game
swift pasture
Not sure, never checked
long moss
~~I have ASD~~
"
swift pasture
Probably both though
long moss
if it isn't lying and it just needs a crit boon why tf will the game screw you like that
tbh I'd rather rn that the game screwed you so I could get prophecies faster, but IK for when you have everything upgraded that would suck to buff something you literally don't have
lunar orchid
maybe that column is just what artemis boons you need
long moss
no they mention if you need other stuff
I'll check the image maybe the image says the truth if the column doesn't
swift pasture
Do you have the codex upgrade? If so, just check that
long moss
it does need the aid
wait the codex will tell you which boons you need for which boons?
what upgrade?
mighty raft
codex tells you which boons you need for everything
low temple
House contractor has the upgrade
cyan vault
A little frustrated that checking your current build doesn’t stop the timer.
swift pasture
Only 50 gems too
long moss
A little frustrated that checking your current build doesn’t stop the timer.
^^^^^^^^
sometimes I wanna check my build but THEN ENEMIES KEEP ATTACKING AND AAAAA
just beat meg with just hazard bomb
I did take some damage from the red circles (that she was putting out not me) more than I would have otherwise cuz I was being dumb
but if I used atk, I prolly would get hit by her local aoe attack cuz I don't anticipate them well even if it gives you a visual cue and enough time to get away
so idk if hazard helped or not
I prolly took the sameish amount of dmg tbh
hollow solstice
Any tips for getting flame wheels release to pop up? Literally the last thing I need on the fates list and I can’t get it to pop
long moss
I took like 40 dmg
swift pasture
Any tips for getting flame wheels release to pop up? Literally the last thing I ...
Check the well before area 3 and the ones in it, it only shows there
long moss
yeah codex says nothing about boons
where do I get that upgrade
swift pasture
House Contractor, for 50 gems
long moss
what category?
low temple
First one
swift pasture
Hm
long moss
low temple
Press b when you are on Olympian gods, boon list should show up if you have it.
swift pasture
That's not it
low temple
Olympian gods page
swift pasture
^
long moss
lunar orchid
that’s the weapons page
cyan vault
Nope. Olympian gods.
long moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/804392766490279996/unknown.png
spamming B does nothing
pressing b does nothing
cyan vault
I think it is offered after a story based event
swift pasture
Yep, you don't have it
cyan vault
Nyx or Achilles I think
low temple
I think it's after a certain dialogue with Achilles
swift pasture
^
lunar orchid
that would make sense
swift pasture
Should be
lunar orchid
so yeah talk to a-dawg whenever possible
long moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/804393086406623232/unknown.png
does his relationship with me matter?
lunar orchid
it shouldn’t, no
low temple
Not really
lunar orchid
that affects a different unrelated thing
cyan vault
It’s story driven. There is a topic tree that you haven’t explored yet.
long moss
so just play the game and talk to him when he has a ! above his head
cyan vault
Yup.
long moss
||the gay rights sidequest||
I have more respect for supergiant games reading that just now
hopefully it is good ||gay rep|| (reason I spoiled is cuz it makes it obvious what charlie's spoil could have said)
cuz there is some crappy ||gay rep||
lunar orchid
||have you met the sad guy in elysium? he was achilles’s bf and you have to help them reunite||
cyan vault
I am not a proper person to represent, but it doesn’t feel forced which I think goes a long way to creating normalcy with it.
long moss
||dude don't sidequests require max relationship pre-sidequest?||
cyan vault
Nope
swift pasture
||Relationships are the sidequests||
long moss
I haven't had too many chambers in elysium tho
literally met the ! in a black circle chamber guy in elysium ONCE
lunar orchid
there’s a reason some people use “achillean” as the mlm equivalent to “sapphic” (though i personally find it superfluous)
lunar orchid
oh i just thought it was a fun fact
long moss
the lgbt server I use def has that as a role
lunar orchid
fun facts are like a fifth of my personality
long moss
cuz achillean/sapphic are used instead of gay/lesbian by people who are enby and similar
also used by people who are pan and bi if they don't think it's fair to call themselves gay/lesbian (they can if they want to tho)
silk swift
I don't think it's my place but this conversation seems to have really strayed far from Hades at this point
long moss
anyone masculine that can be attracted to masculine are achillean
anyone feminine that can be attracted to feminine are sapphic
true
I'll stop at that
silk swift
Suffice to say the serious/real themes Hades handles, are handled in a fantastic way.
long moss
is Sappho ever met ingame?
silk swift
Nope
cyan vault
Thanks for the knowledge. Glad to learn something new. Agreed that it doesn’t feel forced or there for shock factor.
silk swift
Artemis is an openly lesbian character though if you're looking for that
long moss
I think I got some of those lines yeah
cyan vault
Which I figure is probably step one in normalizing representation. But Again. Not my place.
silk swift
Achilles is easily my favorite character
long moss
The island of Lesbos was inhabited most notably by Sappho, along with a bunch of other sapphics and lesbians, and they just loved eachother and had "fun" ;)
Lesbos is where lesbian comes from and Sappho is where sapphic comes from
(if you couldn't take a hint, "fun" is sex, though other stuff too
they probably cuddled a lot for example)
silk swift
Odysseus also went there at one point
long moss
I understand why Lesbos isn't mentioned in the game since 99% of it is in the underworld, but they easily could have had Sappho be in the underworld like Achilles
silk swift
In myth, Achilles captured the island of Lesbos, which was part of the Trojan kingdom, during the war.
lunar orchid
sappho was a real person so it’d be a little odd
long moss
you confident that's myth? sounds like actual history
lunar orchid
isn’t it unknown if troy was a real place or not
silk swift
I don't think Achilles as presented in myth was a real person.
long moss
pretty sure both Achilles and Sappho were real people
and Lesbos is a real island
you can look on google maps near greece
silk swift
Lesbos is definitely a real place, Troy may or may not have been, Achilles I don't think was real.
long moss
and I think it might have been cool if Sappho was in the game and closer to Nyx and talked about hating Achilles or smtn cuz of what he did
silk swift
Achilles' mother was supposed to be a nymph or something
lunar orchid
long moss
I think I heard some lesbian lines from Nyx
silk swift
Nyx is not lesbian
silk swift
She actually has something with Ares
lunar orchid
she could be bi, who knows
silk swift
Entirely possible
long moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/804397914733412382/unknown.png
geographically the island is more turkish, but it's a greece island somehow idk but definitely it is part of greece history
cyan vault
Carthage is part of Roman history and is across the sea.
silk swift
Borders changed a lot over the course of history. What is Turkey today was not Turkey 3000 years ago.
long moss
thing is that is part of greece today
it seems the sea right next to turkey (specifically the islands in it) is all part of greece lol
the greece/turkey border on land north of Lesbos is literally west of where the center of Lesbos is
silk swift
There's weirder things out there
long moss
iirc somewhere around NY or florida or smtn has similar wierd borders in the water
if it's around NY it's specifically near Manhattan the water between it and the land is not belonging to what you'd expect it to be
vivid patio
hey friends please take this discussion to the appropriate channels like off topic, thanks
long moss
sorry
NICE
my damage from meg was enough to be fully healed by the mini fountain between floors
so my discussion of if I took more or less damage is definitely that I took less
cuz usually fountain doesn't full heal after meg
silk swift
Dio has a NICE boon for that, Strong Drink.
long moss
I don't need it rn
and I finished his prophecy
I am rerolling Dio until I finish all boon prophecies
though Dio is one of my preferred boon groups
fresh current
I’m sure you know this already, but health items in wells are a great spend if you’re still down on your luck after a boss
This game is particularly forgiving among roguelikes with how much health you can buy back over a run
long moss
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/802613885780885566/804406678824026142/unknown.png
do I finish the ares prophecy, or get the 2nd legendary?
legend right cuz they're HELLA rare?
swift pasture
How far in are you room wise?
Cause if you've got a lot to go, EV is more likely to show back up
heady solstice
the legendary seems best - ares' is quite powerful, and you can pick up blade dash/his call later on to get maximum mileage off of it