Oh okay well that's what I'm going to do now
#h1-for-new-players
flint pulsar
Oh no mod is typing
fluid yoke
wrightfyre
old escarp
There's very much a story that progresses with each run, but nothing wrong with pushing yourself while you do it 
flint pulsar
Whew
reef bough
I need those diamonds though ⭐ㅁ⭐
versed scarab
Hm, actually didn’t know wightfyre was a mod, just thought they were a cool dude
normal viper
or dudette
versed scarab
Or both I don’t judge
old escarp
Ha ha so kind (I have the He/Him role)
normal viper
They could still be cool while being a mod
fresh current
I think the whole game is a little variable there
normal viper
each region has like 12-16 chambers in total doesnt it?
fresh current
But I can tell you a completed run is generally around 70 encounters
old escarp
Hm, actually didn’t know wightfyre was a mod, just thought they were a cool dude
Anyone with a purple name is a mod
normal viper
each region has like 12-16 chambers in total doesnt it?
fresh current
At least with 100% Styx clear
flint pulsar
each region has like 12-16 chambers in total doesnt it?
Iirc it does im pretty sure
fresh current
Mind you, encounters is fights and not just raw rooms
flint pulsar
I'm pretty sure the 12th or 13th room is the boss room
normal viper
Most completed runs for me are 51-55 chambers total
normal viper
I'm pretty sure the 12th or 13th room is the boss room
Yeah exactly
flint pulsar
Yuh
fresh current
Yeah I 100% Styx every time because I like to so my figure could be a little skewed
normal viper
yeah thats what i do
old escarp
Asphodel is the shortest biome by I think 2 chambers
normal viper
saved yourself there lol
humble ore
Any tips for fighting the final boss? (Not going to say for spoiler reasons)
versed scarab
I wish asphodel was longer, it’s my favourite region.
fresh current
Learn to time dodging his spin, the timing is later than you think
median bane
for me it was styx
fresh current
Prioritize breaking cursed pots for freedom of movement when appropriate
humble ore
for me it was styx
Same
versed scarab
I don’t like styx cause satyrs are rude and they cough up yucky thingies at you
humble ore
Fair enough, I really hate the poison
Now rethinking it, I actually like Tartarus the best
It’s a nice region to start in as a beginner, and gets you warmed up for the rest of the run
median bane
true enough, and the boss(es) are interesting with their diversity
fresh current
Awwww, you met Lernie! Good for you 😌
He’s such a good little boy isn’t he
So many heads to pat
rich cave
I think I pat him a little bit too hard
rich cave
I wish you could gift lernie
polar smelt
y'know what, demeter fists in the chat, let's send a demeter fists run 
let's aim for... merciful end for a change
rich cave
I’ve never done a doom stack run with fists before
rich cave
I almost choked an ||18 heat|| run today
I lost a dd to lernie and 2 to Theseus and Asterius
polar smelt
you make it sound like ||18 heat|| is easy :p
rich cave
Lucky I got a kiss of styx after Elysium
It’s not bad
I think I made a mistake by using ||jury summons and tight deadline 3|| though
polar smelt
oh yeah that is BOLD
reef bough
Hmm I started the game as hell-mode, have I missed out on any rewards by doing this?
fresh current
Mmhmmm if you are low on DD after Elysium don't despair
reef bough
Cool
fresh current
Usually lots of chances to buy a dd from a fountain in styx
reef bough
There is no 0-heat reward?
fresh current
It scales up
floral nacelle
You get a 5 heat reward in lieu of it
But yeah, same number of bounties as non hell mode
rich cave
Not sure if hell mode is different than regular but there should still be a reward for each ||heat|| level
fresh current
If you set it to 5 the game gives you the level rewards in succession
One run at a time
From 0 till you're caught up
So you miss nothing
rich cave
You can’t get rewards for the next level until you clear it on the level you’re at
fresh current
Correct
reef bough
Okay cool thanks
rich cave
For example if you don’t beat the final boss on ||0 heat|| and you play and beat it on ||1 heat||, you’ll get darkness for all the bosses you beat on 0 and bounties for the ones you didn’t, but it’ll count as a clear on ||0 heat||
fresh current
Are you sure about that? That feels unnatural to me
rich cave
It’s how the game makes progression work
fresh current
I can't say I've died in that specific combo to experience it
But when I put my heat over the current limit the game just pretends I'm at the next level I could be grinding it seems and ignores the extra levels until appropriate
That's what it really seems like it's doing, at least
rich cave
You have to clear each ||heat|| level in order to get bounties from them, and clearing on a higher ||heat|| than you’re on it’ll count as the bounties for the level you should be at
fresh current
So we might be in semantics here
I contend that you don't miss rewards, period
If you had never completed the game and started out with 15 heat and never changed it you would be rewarded 15 times
rich cave
That’s not how it works
fresh current
It might complete the "bounty" but the rewards still pay out succrssively if you put your heat above the Max cap
Ummmmm
rich cave
If you start at ||15 heat|| it gives you only the bounties for ||0 heat|| until you clear it
fresh current
I've done it/do it regularly as I'm getting higher with my difficulty on other weapons
rich cave
Then playing at ||15 heat|| will give the bounties for ||1 heat|| until you clear and so on
fresh current
Yes. Clears are mandatory, you are correct
You can never pass go
All clears must be completed to proceed
We agree now that I read you
rich cave
I thought you were saying you get the bounties for ||heat 0-15|| at once for clearing on ||15 heat|| right away mb
fresh current
No no no. You simply don't lose anything by stacking difficulty higher than necessary because the game makes sure you get paid out appropriately, one run at a time
Yeah, we agree
rich cave
Yes
polar smelt
I forgot merciful end required flourish not cast... i'm so tilted 
tropic ember
I got scrnshots with F11.
But I can’t find where is there...
fresh current
Yeah ME is specific. You need Athena and ares attack/special, no exceptions. I think forcing onto Athena onto attack or special is their idea of a downside lol
To any and all lil gods in here btw, if you ever see the words "merciful end" flash on your boon screen congratulations, this is either your first clear or your furthest run yet
It takes having ares+athena on attack and special in any combination, and is a duo boon
Most busted one in the game by a country mile IMO
cinder cliff
olympian favor or dark foresight?
errant bramble
Is dark foresight the one that increases odds of seeing good chamber rewards?
If so, it’s that one.
errant bramble
Yea foresight
fresh current
Hold now
Small asterisk
Rarity is better for more farming
Darkness keys etc
Chamber rewards for more powerful runs
rich cave
Rarity is better imo
errant bramble
That’s fair. I’m of the opinion that you would rather just farm via winning.
fresh current
Rarity is good on its own too
rich cave
I’d rather have fewer and better boons
fresh current
I think of rarity as an additional 1 heat and +20% darkness / other rewards
Just statistically
For me it's hammers and gold
But more boons too
rich cave
I mean I still get powerful builds without dark foresight
fresh current
Oh you're not lying
flint pulsar
Yea
fresh current
Rare + epic chance is fun if you don't care about duos
rich cave
I might swap them out to mix things up a bit next run though
I use rare + duo/legendary chance
flint pulsar
I use dark foresight+pride
Unless I'm going for a certain build
Like hunting blades
Or quest runs
fresh current
Yeah foresight plus duo chance is my go to skull cracking build
rich cave
If I’m being completely honest I didn’t realize foresight increased boon spawn chances lol
fresh current
Mmhmmm
flint pulsar
O
fresh current
If you're on a zeus or aphro run you can even abuse FA to get really nutty because you don't really care which boon you get, you just want more
flint pulsar
I dont like the duo legendary chance up
errant bramble
It increases the chances of getting everything good and lowers odds of getting darkness/gem poop. It increases the overall quality of every chamber in your run. It’s not just about Boons. But anyways
fresh current
I swear up and down the text lies fwiw
rich cave
I mean with dark regeneration darkness isn’t necessary a bad thing
rich cave
And I get +5 max hp from darkness chambers
flint pulsar
Yea
floral nacelle
Yeah, but that could be a centaur heart
errant bramble
^^
rich cave
True
flint pulsar
If u have dark regen without ||LC|| then its nice
native rivet
wtf i thought i beat the final boss and then ||he has a second phase||
errant bramble
Rip
fresh current
errant bramble
Spoilers 😛
native rivet
oops
fresh current
(maybe)
errant bramble
It kinda is and kinda isn’t
fresh current
How do you spoiler
errant bramble
It is once you learn
But first few times it might be harder
These || on either side
||sexy panda||
errant bramble
Two bars sorry
fresh current
errant bramble
Two on each side
craggy sundial
what does hangover do?
echo ermine
Heeey, there, Zag, man, how's it going?
fresh current
I literally take Dio just to hear and interact with him sometimes
The ultimate Chad
So chill
Such a bro
flint pulsar
yea
fresh current
I died when I got the secret line about theseus from him
flint pulsar
ah
fresh current
So in character, dionysis would not be chill with that
flint pulsar
big funni
rose forge
this game is too fun
I don’t have a lot of time to play it but when I do I play it :^)
craggy sundial
i unlocked every weapon still no indication on what to do with the titans blood
flint pulsar
i unlocked every weapon still no indication on what to do with the titans blood
just hold onto it. It's a suprise tool that'll help you later ;)
craggy sundial
oki
rich cave
i unlocked every weapon still no indication on what to do with the titans blood
Play another run
craggy sundial
yeah
rose forge
are they working on a mobile port? it sounds bad but I’m never at home and dead cells did it
craggy sundial
usually thats how to activate things
fresh current
It really warms my heart that the coolest olympian by a country mills thinks Theseus is a dweeb just like the rest of us
flint pulsar
are they working on a mobile port? it sounds bad but I’m never at home and dead ...
I don't think they will, as stated in the hades faq
rose forge
my switch is busted lol
fresh current
Also, are things spoilers if they are actual Greek mythology? Feels like a weird crossroads
flint pulsar
mmm
I would say so
cause it's still in the game and people might idk not want that
fresh current
Lol
flint pulsar
my switch is busted lol
welp goodluck good sir
rose forge
mhm
fresh current
Sooner or later darth Vader being Luke’s father will be a spoiler again
Time is a flat circle
fresh current
Indeed, just makes me chuckle
fluid yoke
obviously you can look it up outside of the game but for the events in the game we should spoiler kinda
for people who probably have no idea about any greek mythology prior to hades and want to experience the story
fresh current
Yeah
I definitely got a great refresher
So much fun stuff to dig into in the background
civic blaze
do developers ever comment here?
flint pulsar
I don't think they do
alpine ridge
they do sometimes
shadow thunder
I watched a video of a guy doing a ||20 heat run|| without boons and he was consistently dealing insane damage, why does it always feel like I’m doing nearly no damage to bosses?
alpine ridge
not usually this specific channel tho
flint pulsar
I watched a video of a guy doing a ||20 heat run|| without boons and he was con...
probably that they're constantly using boiling blood, sisyphus shakles, maybe even ruthless reflexes and probably hitting backstabs while comboing correctly
civic blaze
probably because he was using a maxed out aspect with a good build
fresh current
Tortuga there’s lots of things that go into it but long story short 90% involve the Shattered Shackle, which is a bit bonkers
Especially on aspects with high natural base damage output
Like ||Rama||, nemesis, zag shield and bow, ||Arthur|| for the memes
Oh gods I forgot Eris and hestia too
Though shackle is maybe less good on rail
fluid yoke
need to tag || rama||
fresh current
Oh biscuits, sorry
craggy sundial
I like the spear. What should i spend the titan blood on
fresh current
Achilles
But if you’re short on blood I’d implore you to save it, especially if you haven’t played with all the weapons yet
fluid yoke
i think all the spear aspects are probably solid to spend on
achilles is probably a good start though
fresh current
Achilles is expensive and the cheap zag aspect I feel is lackluster
Better things to spend your first 5 blood on than spear IMO if you want to go the zag aspect route
Achilles will be very rewarding if you like spear but will be more expensive to max
Have you played with fists much @craggy sundial ?
fresh current
Hmmm, any others that clicked for you? Or is spear your choice?
fresh current
Hmmmm. I would call sword zag better than spear zag
fluid yoke
or nemesis
fresh current
Yeah nemesis is S-tier
fluid yoke
nemesis is probably better with less titan blood
though
honeslty i think spear zag is better than sword zag so im gonna have to disagree with you on that
fresh current
Poseidon I can’t get the hang of the rythm but I respect it’s damage output. Fantastic choice as a one-blood-wonder
fluid yoke
yeah i did an exit wounds run with it
fresh current
I just like zag sword because I’m a cursed slash addict in sword
fluid yoke
oh
fresh current
Both are kinda b tier for me, they both do their jobs well enough
But @craggy sundial
craggy sundial
i dont like Poseidon because i use boiling blood a lot
fluid yoke
you can attack with your main
fresh current
Put your blood into Achilles and don’t look back if that’s what’s in your heart
You will love it for the extra mobility alone
craggy sundial
Hmm
fluid yoke
yeah achilles is a great mobiility spear
fresh current
Before the damage buff gets nuts too
fluid yoke
when you
retrieve your special
after youve thrown your spear
you bull rush it
across the room
fresh current
You really should take it and begin learning to play while you’re upgrading it
craggy sundial
ohh
fresh current
That way by the time it’s a god slayer you’re already familiar with incorporating its movement into your play
craggy sundial
nice
fresh current
Correst^^^^^^
craggy sundial
That way by the time it’s a god slayer you’re already familiar with incorporatin...
always dash :)
fresh current
Makes for insaneeeee cast builds
Think of this as a third dash
With a huge attack buff on the next 4 buttons you press
fluid yoke
wait the damage bonus
fresh current
That’s Achilles
fresh current
It’s universal I think?
Though if special is left out who cares frankly, attack and cast are so empowered by it it’s fine
fresh current
Special is mostly for curse inflicting anyway with spear I find
Probably true then
They’re very good about their labeling meaning what it says
fluid yoke
yeah
special isnt a powerhouse with its raw damage on achilles at least
|| guan yu || and zagreus are probably closer to that
special powerhouses
fresh current
Yeah for sure
fluid yoke
imagine you were running || guan yu || and you took a chaos boon that made you lose health for using special
run ended
fresh current
Spear overall reminds me of zag/base shield where it’s less 2 attack buttons and more one attack button and one utility button
Lol that would be ouch
fluid yoke
reminds me of that time i took one of those boons on zeus shield
fresh current
So yeah @craggy sundial follow your heart and buy Achilles if you love your spear. You won’t regret it
fluid yoke
would have been fine if not for the fountain that came before the boss chamber and ruined my chances removing the debuff before it
yeah get achilles
its a cool spear
craggy sundial
sure
fresh current
Though I do implore you to unlock and get good with zag shield. You’ll eventually develop competence with every weapon and won’t generally mind taking any one of them, but zag shield in particular is my rec to every new player
fluid yoke
yeah zag shield is solid
fresh current
It Just Works
reef bough
Is herme's feathers not worth it? I feel like it should be OP from short experience I had with it
fluid yoke
doesnt require any specifc builds to be good
or do alot of damage
like you can usually throw whatever onit and it will work
unlike some weapons that you need to be more careful with
humble ore
Which boon to attacks on the spear is the best? I usually go with Ares for the Doom but not sure what’s best
reef bough
yeah zag shield is solid
Sorry may I ask what zag shield is
(Oops I did not realize reply must ping sorry!
humble ore
Sorry may I ask what zag shield is
Aspect of Zagreus on the shield weapon
reef bough
I see thank you
humble ore
No problem
steep rune
Hi! I'm new to the Game and Discord 🙂
Can someone tell me what the point is in improving the relationship with the Olympians? They all seem kind of funky to me and idk if I should trust them. Am I missing something in not giving them nectar?
fluid yoke
yes
keepsakes + general relationship story stuff with their hearts and bonds
keepsakes are important you need them
to shape runs etc
humble ore
Pretty much yeah
reef bough
Huh I was wondering why shield attacks were kind of weak, they can be upgraded with blood huh
humble ore
Yep
steep rune
yeah I already have the keepsakes from all of them but apart from that I only see the benefit in giving chaos the nectar, bc he has some story with Nyx I think
fluid yoke
oh
yeah well you need to give them nectar ok
- for story stuff
- you get some prophecies and stuff from raising your relationship i think
steep rune
ohhh ok that makes sense
fluid yoke
that can give rewards of stuff like ambrosia / titan blood
steep rune
thanks! 🙂
fluid yoke
you'll probably have enough nectar to give it to them in the end dw about lacking it
fresh current
@steep rune this is a wholesome game
reef bough
Do locked heart-unlocks differ for every character?
humble ore
Can you have multiple aspects on at the same time?
fluid yoke
even if you don't like them
fresh current
There are no dark Olympic twists here
fluid yoke
yeah favours are different from each chracter
reef bough
I've hit locked hearts for my favorite people
fluid yoke
no you cant ferragus
humble ore
Ok
reef bough
Not sure what to do to unlock them
fresh current
If you don’t count the ones done by zag in the romance plots heyoooooooo
fluid yoke
vary in length and difficulty depending
reef bough
Gotcha and I'll get them in time I'm guessing
fluid yoke
on the character
fluid yoke
for example i did achilles one today and it took
so long
partly due to me neglecting some nectar but also due it being a really long questline
fresh current
I did the Achilles quest dead last specifically to punish Patroclus for sulking in Elysium like a whiny little brat instead of trying to reunite with his lost love
fluid yoke
are you at locked heart with hades
steep rune
yes
fresh current
Like, punk move bro
vast cairn
I did the Achilles quest dead last specifically to punish Patroclus for sulking ...
SO MEAN. D:
fresh current
To hell with him, he lost an entire war and got his lover killed then sulked in elysium while his lover tended to the literal god of the dead like he’s the aggrieved party
steep rune
I did the Achilles quest dead last specifically to punish Patroclus for sulking ...
lmao, ikr
fresh current
His actions lost the Trojan war and drove Achilles into an uncontrollable rage that got him killed too
Sure Achilles was sulking but there are better ways of resolving conflict than stealing your boyfriends armor and taking on a fight you can’t win
fluid yoke
the entire fate of the trojan war isnt on patroclus's shoulders
fresh current
It is very much on the shoulders of Achilles not being on the board
reef bough
I currently have locked hearts with mi fav dusa, Hades, Chaos, and Achilles
fluid yoke
epic
fresh current
And I hold pat as accessory to his death at least
fluid yoke
leave the gays alone
fresh current
Then he has the gall to be all emo and sulky in literal paradise after the stunt he pulled
Get ooooooooutta here boo
steep rune
you guys are really deep in the greek myth lore 😄
fresh current
A bad attitude is timeless
humble ore
Any tips for fighting Thanatos in Elysium? I have so much trouble dealing enough damage to kill things before he does
fluid yoke
uh
vast cairn
OH!
vast cairn
So, just dash around like crazy too.
humble ore
Ok
vast cairn
It's always good if you have an attack buff or dash buff because you deal a lot of damage.
And try to spam kill when Than is trying to steal a kill.
humble ore
Yeah I try to have doom for attack and deflect dash
vast cairn
I have only lost to him once and that was in Elysium.
That's good!
Just keep dashing and keep hitting like crazy.
steep rune
I always intentionally lose to him when I have the butterfly equipped ❤️
fresh current
So sweet
humble ore
If you can get doom to stack and then get the upgrade that hits like crazy for spear but minus spin then it’s really op
fresh current
But you need to flex on than
vast cairn
Thats so sweet but even if I love him I beat him up.
fresh current
To remind him to be better at his job
vast cairn
He gives you a good item afterwards.
fluid yoke
elysium i sdef the hardest than stuff though
vast cairn
It really is.
fluid yoke
only one ive really lost on outside is like 1 or 2 times in asphodel
where ive just bad luck with my build and enemies for it
vast cairn
Ooooh, I feel.
I tend to do in Asphodel more than in Elysium... surprisingly.
I dash a lot. Dash go into lava. Lava kill.
humble ore
Yeah sometimes you just don’t get any good boons but there’s always another run
humble ore
I dash a lot. Dash go into lava. Lava kill.
Asphodel helps train you so you don’t just dash everywhere. It helped me a lot
vast cairn
Thats true! I am usually able to switch them out sometimes.
humble ore
Yeah I always sell ones I don’t like
ionic scaffold
Asphodel helps train you so you don’t just dash everywhere. It helped me a lot
I still do that anyways
vast cairn
Asphodel helps train you so you don’t just dash everywhere. It helped me a lot
It does! I've gotten better. c:
I try to sell ones I don't like and end up getting the ones I do like. ;-;
worldly vigil
craggy sundial
Asphodel helps train you so you don’t just dash everywhere. It helped me a lot
Yeah haha
First i was dashing in asphodel a lot still a bit but not as much
Also
What is this heat thing?
I havent encountered it yet
steep rune
when you've beaten the final boss once you can choose perks that will make your run harder but you'll get good loot for it
leaden whale
What are the chances of ||charons fight|| because it seems to be really rare
fresh current
It is a little bit
I don’t know exact chances but it can only spawn in the midway shops
I would say just going by gut if you took all 3 shops you have a 1/3 chance of seeing it in a run
Maybe a bit better than that
olive pagoda
What are the chances of ||charons fight|| because it seems to be really rare
22%
Mid shop only
fresh current
Oh well there you go, that’s a ~2/3 chance if you take three mid shops
light flame
not really
civic blaze
is a 15:55 min escape considered fast?
leaden whale
best speedruns are 6-7 min
flint pulsar
also try using ||Forced overtime and EM2 for faster clear||
sly vigil
I think on average 10-13 is what you can get consistently
sly vigil
Though if you are speedrunning this channel might not be the best place lol
civic blaze
yeah thats true
steep rune
can thanatos visit in styx temple?
sly vigil
can thanatos visit in styx temple?
nope
pastel cipher
#h1-builds-and-combat is the better channel for if you're talking speedrunning
There's also a speedrunning discord (invite link pinned in #self-promotion )
craggy sundial
What are the chances of ||charons fight|| because it seems to be really rare
What is it?
I dont recognize|| any fight with charon||
Is it in asphodel or tartarus cuz ive only been there
sly vigil
It's spoiler marked for a reason :D
I'm not sure what's the trigger but keep playing the game.
worldly vigil
I didn't get it until after my first clear, but could have just been by chance
craggy sundial
oh yeah ok
humble ore
Some people say you have to complete at least one run to get aspects but I’ve gotten them and I haven’t finished it yet
worldly vigil
Some people say you have to complete at least one run to get aspects but I’ve go...
||to get hidden aspects you need to have completed one run||
torn plaza
apparently not lol
worldly vigil
could be wrong
shadow thunder
could be wrong
||you just have to reach hades once||
humble ore
Yeah I haven’t gotten any of the ||hidden aspects|| yet
craggy sundial
Will there be any DLC or free updates
craggy sundial
With free updates i mean good content btw not bugfixes
craggy sundial
there will not be
Thats sad
sly vigil
More like we don't know
flint pulsar
eh
sly vigil
They just said they are taking a break and will announce their next steps when they are ready.
craggy sundial
i dont like mods
Well i like mods just not using them
for me a vanilla playthrough is best
humble ore
I might get mods once I get bored of doing the vanilla game but idk there seems to be enough content to keep me focused
fresh current
Wait is there something behind ||60 heat|| I don’t know about
faint umbra
Wait is there something behind ||60 heat|| I don’t know about
please spoiler tag that! Also no, there is nothing behind it. In-game rewards only go up to ||32 heat||. Though ||60 heat|| is the current world record and 63 is the max, 64 on hell mode
fresh current
Sorry, not used to that rule yet
vivid patio
the final boss and anything past that is a spoiler in this channel, which is why ||heat|| is included 🙂
steep rune
do the small chambers in the temple of styx count as encounters?
light flame
for most things yes
steep rune
okay thanks
light flame
notable exception is butterfly keepsake
craggy sundial
Can i get a keepsake from Hades
fresh current
||moms|| keepsake counts each room of Styx as a full stack
Which is fantastic
A full tick* of which you need 4 to activate the bonus
Makes Styx alone worth 5+ poms if you 100% it
tall mango
fresh current
I think?? It’s somewhat consistent from world to world
Shouldn’t be too much variation, it should be right about the same
fluid yoke
i think elysium
ends at chamber 36 which is the boss
chamber 35 being the shop / rest chamber before the boss
usually
tranquil escarp
I am the worst at using the shield.
Most "defensive" weapon and I take the most amount of damage whenever I use it. XD
stray terrace
shield doesnt have very good damage by default
but it can block pretty much anything
except for gorgon shots for whatever reason
tranquil escarp
I don't like blocking much because it yeets me all over the dungeon.
I think I'm bad with it because I feel like I have to move around a lot in ways that I normally would not like to.
The attack always pushes everything away so I need to go after enemies more.
stray terrace
theres a hammer that cancels knockback
tranquil escarp
I just got that in Elysium.
fresh current
abandon blocking
drowsy plover
I like shield the most. I did a clear with aspect of ||Beowulf|| yesterday and it felt so much easier
fresh current
return to unga bunga
drowsy plover
Than any other weapon
fresh current
this is the way of the shield
tranquil escarp
I struggle with it the most. The only reason why I take it is for the darkness bonus.
fresh current
or at least 2 of them lol
i forget the block button exists on the shield unless im doing beo
drowsy plover
Daedalus hammer, turn bull rush into a piercing shot
fresh current
and it's my 2nd favorite aspect
drowsy plover
No more bull rushing into traps
tranquil escarp
Sounds like there is a lot of hammer stuff I need in order to make the shield "good".
fresh current
zag and zeus are A+ for facemashing unga bunga builds, no bullrush required
no not really, lots of them are just very helpful
tranquil escarp
I never use Bull Rush.
stray terrace
piercing shot turns the shield into essentially a better bow
drowsy plover
Yep
tranquil escarp
Sounds like it. XD
fresh current
good, then use zag or zeus and fly around the map bashing things in the face like a caveman
drowsy plover
Zeus is okay
fresh current
I know the knockback feels like a lot, but learn to use it
drowsy plover
Other aspects are meh. Chaos is nice but needs leveling up
fresh current
eventually you will start naturally positioning yourself to take advantage of the wallbash damage
and you'll learn to herd enemies appropriately to get them into position
tranquil escarp
Yup, I would like to. It's still the hardest weapon for me to use.
fresh current
and it's on from there
drowsy plover
Or learning how to hold block and move the shield in another direction
I was barely moving at all during the Asterius fight
fresh current
Keep at it, you'll get there
tranquil escarp
I was barely moving at all during the Asterius fight
screw this boss fight in particular.
fresh current
Zag shield is probably the best beginner weapon in the game for its combination of braindead + effective
drowsy plover
I mean the one where he's alone
tranquil escarp
Elysium in general is where I end up loosing a lot of health.
stray terrace
shield block can block both asterius and theseus rush if that helps
drowsy plover
True. But for that you can use Dusa's keepsake. Unless you want fast clears
tranquil escarp
I just hold onto Skelly's tooth.
fresh current
tooth is good for styx and beyond generally
drowsy plover
I keep the tooth for the final region
fresh current
if you like your safety blanket dont let me take if away from you, but before styx its usually more beneficial to be loading up on god boons and buffs
tranquil escarp
I use the collar as a skelly tooth back up. XD
Yeah I don't particularly use the other keepsakes too often.
fresh current
start giving sisyphus all the nectar you can as early as you can
tranquil escarp
Is he the ! in Tartarus?
tranquil escarp
Word.
I had a lot of nectar stocked up at one time.
I was hoping to just- load it off on one person but alas. XD The game would not let me.
drowsy plover
For Elysium the best keepsake is ||acorn||
worldly vigil
Do you have to give ||bouldy|| nectar to get sisyphus compainion?
fresh current
also unload lots on gods that you like to get their keepsakes to force their boons
@worldly vigil no
tranquil escarp
Yeah I have all the god keepsakes except for Demeter.
I just haven't had the chance to gift her yet.
fresh current
@drowsy plover that or ||pat's|| for damage reduction in styx itself
stray terrace
Do you have to give ||bouldy|| nectar to get sisyphus compainion?
you dont have to gift him, just talk to him
tranquil escarp
I don't find Styx to be that difficult of an area oddly enough.
Elysium is the most challenging for me.
fresh current
styx has some mitigating factors to it
dusk elk
Elysium is the most challenging for me.
this is considered to be true by most people
fresh current
the small room size helps a loooooot
tranquil escarp
Yup.
vivid patio
@dusk elk ||heat and pact options|| are spoilers here
tranquil escarp
You don't have to fight through all of the dungeons either.
It's a very short lived area from my experience.
I would like to fight through more dungeons in Styx but
that healing fountain tho
drowsy plover
Elysium is probably the hardest region (thanks butterfly ball, flame wheels and shield guys)
stray terrace
butterflies and meowing explosive chariots now haunt zag’s dreams
tranquil escarp
Butterfly ball is fun. XD
I hate the soldiers that can regenerate.
Those guys are the reason why I lose health so much.
tranquil escarp
I would rather fight 100 minotaurs than a room full of those guys.
drowsy plover
Those guys remind me of those pesky haircuts in Transistor lol
tranquil escarp
burn the ball down
of course. you always go for the butterfly ball.
fresh current
let me rephrase that, in the butterfly miniboss room*
did anyone else just not get transistor
tranquil escarp
Time for me to die to the Elysium Boss fight!
worldly vigil
don't forget to use the pillars to your advantage..
hollow ledge
I find none of the bosses super hard once you get to know them
They're still challenging tho
fresh current
that's just games like this. the bosses are difficult, but they're meant to be overcome. It's all about experience and learning attack pattersn
tranquil escarp
I don't mind the difficulty.
I just go in knowing I have about a 20% chance to get to the next area.
quartz condor
you'll get to where you're 100% sure you'll get to the next area 🙂
then you start picking stuff to help you in the next area or the next area
tranquil escarp
Yup, that day will come for sure.
This game is still less than a week old to me.
I beat Hades for the first time today. It was not something I would have expected.
rain oracle
You'll get there!
hollow ledge
I've cleared my first escape attempt today after 23 hours
quartz condor
I beat Hades for the first time today. It was not something I would have expecte...
yeah buddy!! congrats
tranquil escarp
Thank you. ^^
rain oracle
@tranquil escarp sorry to @ you but please spoiler block name of final boss
tranquil escarp
It wasn't meant as a mention to the boss, sorry. The name of the game is Hades. I can understand the confusion though.
hollow ledge
It doesn't matter when you beat it, what matters is that you beat it 😄
rain oracle
...yeah, fair enough, sorry.
hollow ledge
I beat Hades for the first time today. It was not something I would have expecte...
Congrats on that! 😄
rain oracle
Now I'm the one who spoilered it, curse me!
tranquil escarp
Thank you. It's sword time now. I'm much more comfortable with that weapon.
rain oracle
explodes and is taken by the styx
polar smelt
*explodes and is taken by the styx*
this is also a spoiler 
tranquil escarp
How is that a spoiler?
drowsy plover
You cannot beat the game with just one clear. There's still plenty of content ahead
hollow ledge
Thank you. It's sword time now. I'm much more comfortable with that weapon.
I really like the shield, but I'm gonna try the spear now
rain oracle
...I am pretty sure exploding and getting taken by the Styx is something most players will discover within the first ten minutes
fresh current
spoiler: you die in this game and are ferried back home by the river that every dead soul in greek mythology travels to reach the underworld
tranquil escarp
I really like the shield, but I'm gonna try the spear now
The spear is one of my best weapons.
drowsy plover
It's post-final boss so it is a spoiler
hollow ledge
You cannot beat the game with just one clear. There's still plenty of content ah...
That's what I love about roguelike/roguelite games
polar smelt
1 clear = 1% of content 
worldly vigil
spoiler: you die in this game and are ferried back home by the river that every ...
put two | arround text to mark as spoiler
tranquil escarp
Yeah, I like that there is a lot of story content to the game.
polar smelt
put two | arround text to mark as spoiler
he was being facetious
fresh current
||you die in this game and are ferried back home by the river that every dead soul in greek mythology travels to reach the underworld||
hollow ledge
What keeps me going is the dialogue, I love every single piece of dialogue in this game
fresh current
^^^^^
rain oracle
||In absolute honesty, my interpretation is that Zagreus is always taken by the Styx when he dies. That's why you trudge out of the pool of styx back in the House.||
tranquil escarp
Will I keep the bonus damage from ||Peirced Butterfly|| if I change it to a different keepsake?
fresh current
talking to dionysis is worth the price of admission alone
drowsy plover
Usual message when you die is "There is no escape". When you die after ||meeting mom|| it's ||"Taken by the Styx"||
polar smelt
What keeps me going is the dialogue, I love every single piece of dialogue in th...
I love the dialogue until I stop giving nectar and they start just repeating lines to me over and over again 
tranquil escarp
||In absolute honesty, my interpretation is that Zagreus is *always* taken by th...
Me too.
polar smelt
Will I keep the bonus damage from ||Peirced Butterfly|| if I change it to a dif...
no I don't believe so
rain oracle
||Yes, there is unique text when you die at a certain point, but that wasn't what I was referencing.||
hollow ledge
Also the words of ||Sisyphus ||are super motivating (spoilered it in case someone doesn't know him yet)
tranquil escarp
Okay, thanks Michael!
hollow ledge
He is
drowsy plover
Unfortunately you lose the bonus when you unequip the ||butterfly||
polar smelt
||tbh I also feel a sense of joy when hades compliments me as he dies||
post 10 clear spoiler ^ (relating to sisyphus comment)
rain oracle
||Ok, well there goes ever using that thing ever again. If I'm good enough to not get hit I'm good enough to not need the damage bonus.||
fresh current
Oh, it’s a mistake to think it’s worthless
drowsy plover
I love Hades and Zag's conversations after you finish the main story.
rain oracle
I think it's something for when I'm much better at the game and ||playing on higher heat than 1||
fresh current
It takes execution and it can be unforgiving, but than keepsake is a flat raw % buff lest we forget
faint jewel
||Butterfly ||seems quite poor to me, I can't imagine the damage it gives is going to override ||boon rng control||.
faint jewel
I mean, there are literally +% boons...
polar smelt
god keepsakes best keepsakes, I want my zeus attack/special/cast
rain oracle
What, including Doom and Hangover procs?
fresh current
Maybe even those? Not sure
polar smelt
Eris = all damage
fresh current
But all 3 get buffed by than keepsake rather than just 1
faint jewel
So does Billowing Strenght and the like
rain oracle
I wish ||Eris was in the game as more than just a reference, but I get they can't include EVERY god.||
hollow ledge
So I heard about something called ||heat||. What is it?
faint jewel
Using that keepsake also means you can't take damage to increase your own damage in various situations.
hollow ledge
So I heard about something called ||heat||. What is it?
The game will introduce it to me right?
faint jewel
Yep. 🙂
quartz condor
i started using ||Hermes ||keepsake start to finish - by the time you get to end boss, you can have like 25% dodge and attack just from the keepsake. i tend to build my build along the way based on that
rain oracle
@hollow ledge It's only relevant after you've cleared the final boss at least once.
drowsy plover
So I heard about something called ||heat||. What is it?
Something that you use to increase difficulty
polar smelt
So I heard about something called ||heat||. What is it?
||it's the level of "punishment" (challenge) you set for yourself in runs after your first clear||
fresh current
||heat|| is hades difficulty leveling system
Know how supergiant likes to do their difficulty by adding switchable modifiers?
This is hades’ version
faint jewel
i started using ||Hermes ||keepsake start to finish - by the time you get to end...
yeah that keepsake is much better imo
hollow ledge
Do I need it to complete the game?
polar smelt
i started using ||Hermes ||keepsake start to finish - by the time you get to end...
chuck on zag fists for all the dodge
fresh current
Except this actually is essential to your reward progression
faint jewel
especially with ||gloves ||:D
polar smelt
Do I need it to complete the game?
||just your first clear to access it||
fresh current
chuck on zag fists for all the dodge <:POGGERS:385681674194780160>
RT this
That keepsake and zag fists is tanky AF when you get into the harder end of the pool because dodge % is a wonderful thing
drowsy plover
Do I need it to complete the game?
For the main story no but you need it for upgrades and deepening relationships
faint jewel
I think it depends on what completing the game means to you.
hollow ledge
||just your first clear to access it||
Well I've cleared the game today for the first time. Do I need to interact with something to activate it?
fresh current
No
polar smelt
||your courtyard should be changed now, the pink window should be orange||
hollow ledge
I think it depends on what completing the game means to you.
I meant main story 😄
polar smelt
angry are you a sword main? if so what aspect? 
fresh current
It should show up on its own when you try to start a new run
rain oracle
Yes, you'll find out when you start your next run
polar smelt
I meant main story 😄
||you can complete the main story without using heat, however you'll continue to earn darkness as rewards for completing the various bosses (whereas if you use heat, you can earn the main rewards again (blood, ambrosia etc) - so you wouldn't be accessing new aspects/maxing them out||
drowsy plover
I meant main story 😄
||Heat|| is optional, you can always choose to play with or without it
At least for story elements
hollow ledge
Yeah, got it. Thanks!
polar smelt
tbh I was a shield main at the time so I literally ||finished the main story by using chaos shield racking up the heat||
drowsy plover
Same
hollow ledge
I'll try the spear now, since I want to try other weapons than shield 😄
drowsy plover
Spear is a nice choice
faint jewel
Spear took me a while to like, really needed that 2nd aspect.
polar smelt
^
achilles is such a good aspect
I've had stupidly godlike rng on my spear runs, not sure how well i'd do without it
quartz condor
same. once you've got stuff unlocked, you can kind of drive the RNG, which helps
polar smelt
||I accidentally fought him at tartarus, I lost all 3 DDs but managed to take the W, it was brutal||
bronze glacier
||I also found him in Tartarus and got WIPED because I only had one Boon, no Poms and literally the worst keepsake on to even try to attempt that fight oml||
quartz condor
he's tough. i dont really mess with fighting him
bronze glacier
I really just wanted to try it for the meme and got clapped to death, good god
Made myself a big ol' plate of regretti spaghetti with that one but I caught a fish in Chaos so I came back with a ton of Darkness like I was planning on doing anyway lol
stray terrace
good god? more like bad god
tranquil escarp
I didn't think I was gonna have to.
But Zag's guilty dialogue when ||he took the sack of gold|| pretty much summed up how I felt cause I knew I was gonna get whipped.
stray terrace
||record scratch ||
bronze glacier
I didn't realize that was the trigger; I thought it was gonna be like the Midas things from the well lmao
tranquil escarp
Another one of my shinning moments was when I used ||Zeus' Aspect|| and ate through half of the champion's health during the boss fight so I had to dodge Athena while I still was being chased down my a raging minotaur. 😂 Worst mistake and also funniest thing I ever did. No death defies left.
fresh current
A ||charon|| win in Tartarus with 3 deaths is still a victory
100% worth
||Charon|| in Tartarus is worth any price that doesn’t end the run directly or indirectly lol
Yeah @tranquil escarp save your biggest single burst of damage for when the bill is dead and Theseus goes enraged
When he is in his enraged animation unload everything you have on him
He is defenseless for a good while
So you can burn him way, way down all at once while he’s standing still
fresh current
angry are you a sword main? if so what aspect? <:thnkng:579276689419272219>
Lol no I wouldn’t actually say I have a main in this game. I want to say I’m best with fists but my fastest clears are zag shield and zag rail so lol. The name is actually a smash reference, I am definitely a Ganon main ⚔️
I’ve been pretty religious about sticking with whatever weapon is highlighted purple when starting a run for farming, and as I nice side effect I like to think it made me pretty competent with all the weapon classes
But I do like nemesis sword best. Big numbers go brrr my guy
polar smelt
that's fair, I generally take the 20% bonus unless it's spear cause I really don't enjoy spear
slowly working my way up the ||heats|| on all weapons
fresh current
Neither do i but I just suck it up and work on my Achilles or ||guan yu|| game
I like weapons I don’t like, if that makes any sense
polar smelt
my two achilles clears have had godlike rng with multiple hermes cast boons etc
fresh current
I feel like it helps me appreciate and understand better the mechanics of the weapons I do take seriously
Try Achilles with aphro cast sometime 😉
teleports behind u nothin personell kid unloads 4 hotshots of 00-Love
polar smelt
I like going zeus cause chain lightning go brrr
clear those numbskull rooms real quick
fresh current
Mmhmmm nothing wrong with chain lightning
People like to bust on chain lightning for being low damage but if it only hits 2 enemies it’s 140 minimum damage applied across the board which is great
Also zeus+Zeus+Zeus ad infinium
Protip to new players: spend at least one run getting completely zeus’d up
civic blaze
what do you guys think is the most underrated aspect?
fresh current
Stick that sweet lightning bolt in your Buttcheek and get so billowy and thicc you barely fit through the chamber doors
Hilarious and effective
Hmmmmm tough question
Personal opinion is zag rail
People dump on it but it’s the a-10 warthog of rail aspects. Just a champ for churning rounds downrange and synergizes great with the shotgun boon
And only costs 5 blood
civic blaze
yeah low-key
fresh current
12 extra rounds is a lot of extra opportunity to cause havoc. A poor craftsman blames his tools there IMO
Though I will admit it does get outclassed by Eris later down the line as difficulty scales up postgame
tranquil escarp
Gonna try a run with ||Aspect of Hades|| for the spear.
flint pulsar
no
that's probably
you being stressed
or smt that's not about the game
probably just a feeling
nocturne vault
the bosses are new
which is prob the hardest part
i keep getting a green lady
and i can beat the other two easily but the green one is annoying
the green lady is the boss i get for phase 1
light grove
Alecto, right? I find her the hardest of the three
flint pulsar
oh
nocturne vault
i think is her name
flint pulsar
alecto is a huge pain
polar smelt
tis hardest to me cause her ranged attack is insane
flint pulsar
ah
light grove
Once you understand Tisiphone's patterns, she's pretty easy. She broadcasts all her moves in an obvious way, and is easy to dodge out of the way in advance
flint pulsar
yea^
polar smelt
broadcasts sure
but with melee ranged weapons
I need to hit her to kill her
dodging is time waste, hp loss is temporary... until you die
light grove
in Hades, dodging is love, dodging is life
flint pulsar
dodging is time waste, hp loss is temporary... until you die
imagine playing with that mindset kekw
sleek axle
That's my play style lol
polar smelt
faster I kill things, faster I win 
flint pulsar
wait until you use ||LC4||
sleek axle
I just rush in and kill them as fast as possible
sleek axle
||which is exactly why I don't do higher heat||
polar smelt
that's valid, I'm likely only going to do like 1-2 ||32 heat|| completions and then mainly stick to learning how to be a zoomboi
flint pulsar
eh
eventually u can master dodging and lose close to no dps
esp if u learn how to use iframes
u don't even have to "dodge" attacks
just time ur dash for iframes
polar smelt
I have 22 titan blood, I should figure out what I want next
flint pulsar
o:
there are some weapons that benefit from upgrades more than others
such as ||Guan Yu and Demeter being the most notable, along with a few others but I'm too stupid to know||
polar smelt
I know, I'm half talking to myself outloud
sleek axle
Tru
polar smelt
I'm hesitant about hidden spear since I don't spin... at all
flint pulsar
oh no
polar smelt
feel like it'll be one of my tougher clears
polar smelt
isn't that 90% of its use?
polar smelt
interesting
flint pulsar
and u become a wheee
polar smelt
maybe i'll try it then
flint pulsar
yuh
polar smelt
when in doubt, youtube has guides
flint pulsar
he da hidden spear master
polar smelt
probably some interesting information there
since you're here though, what's your tips for hidden rail?
I thought it was underwhelming, but I built it like eris and went zeus attack which idk if it's correct
flint pulsar
the only thing ya need to know is triple bomb flash fire zeus attack aphro/posi/dio specials
and those are the basics
the special on hidden rail
polar smelt
special actually valid?
polar smelt
I thought it was a meme lmao
polar smelt
flint pulsar
but it doesn't need to be maxed out
zeus attack melts
o and super soaker
is also a blast
polar smelt
do you like, use special on cooldown, or inbetween reloads?
olive pagoda
you can PM for GY if you wish
flint pulsar
and attack sometimes
but without triple
I would say you just try to at the start of ur clip
and after the end
and don't try to stop firing since u lose ur stack up damage
errant bramble
Well you need to stop firing to actually get iframes on your dash
errant bramble
Yeah it’s just a special cannon for me. No iframes while shooting just eviscerates all the attack builds unless I want to get punched constantly. But that’s me
polar smelt
you can PM for GY if you wish
If you've done a write up anywhere on it just link me that and ill have a read, no point having you type something for the 30th time
errant bramble
I just put spoiler God on strike so I spray the room with slow and then cast specials
Guan Yu: get %dmg special, get Charged Skewer hammer, one shot everything, profit.
olive pagoda
If you've done a write up anywhere on it just link me that and ill have a read, ...
I have some guiding lines but I just DM to people since it's a bit of spam, I'll paste it
nocturne vault
whats a good build for the shield weapon
sleek pond
Artemis attack if all you're doing is bull rushing and then running away
nocturne vault
How do i unlock Chaos asepct for the shield
I can only upgrade the Zagreous aspect for each weapon
worldly vigil
click the lock on the right side
ocean cosmos
worldly vigil
are boss rooms in styx more likely to have the sack
rich cave
Afaik no
worldly vigil
I feel like when I see streamers run they take the boss rooms first
rich cave
They are faster and generally easier than the regular rooms though ||(with the notable exception of the tiny vermin)||
That's why ^
rich cave
Instead of facing waves of regular enemies you just fight 1 or 2 stronger versions of regular enemies that have way more health
If you have a relatively high dps build they're still very easy to kill though
worldly vigil
ah okay
uneven ledge
if you have something that helps in breaking armor it should be a cakewalk
toxic jay
I just picked up this game and I'm absolutely loving it
polar smelt
toxic jay
sleek axle
enjoy!
fresh current
Ares great for unga bunga early game shield runs
Hit that doom and run away
Play lame win game
Also Zagreus aspect is the best noob cannon aspect in the game and I will die on that hill
Others call chaos shield great but I can’t get my head around it
Zag and Zeus aspect for unga bunga buttonmash shield runs, as god intended
flint pulsar
Zeus is mwah