fist hammers are nice though
#h1-for-new-players
peak cobalt
keepsakes help with it tho
flint pulsar
but they're really nice
it's not like the double edge hammer
which is like almost neccasary sometimes
broken edge
Is Fist 2 a good One to use
quartz condor
zeus i s pretty good with about anything, just pick your duo combo based on the weapon you're using
rich cave
Here's what I generally go for:
Zeus keepsake in first floor and get his attack
If I can't find Athena in the first floor I will equip her keepsake in the second floor and try to get divine dash from her. If I do get her in the first floor, I equip Artemis's keepsake and take her cast. This way if I find her later on I can get support fire from her.
I try to get Long Knuckle and Breaching Cross Daedalus hammers
I get extra dashes, move speed, attack speed, or dodge chance from Hermes. His boons all work very well with fists.
For the special I try to get an effect that can stack like hangover since I'm only using it when I hit several times in a row due to Demeter aspect.
Apart from that, I just take boons that are good in general.
fluid yoke
@broken edge do you mean talos aspect?
broken edge
@fluid yoke yes
rich cave
Also for the last two floors I use acorn since I'm going to be up close with the bosses when I fight them
fluid yoke
ok stop pinging me
quartz condor
awesome! thank you (screenshotting that btw..) i enjoy the hidden aspect because the dash can proc multiple times, works well with stuff like pois dash
fluid yoke
what does proc mean
turbid thicket
@quartz condor If you want an alternative Fists build
Zeus Attack (first), Poseidon Dash (second), Artemis Special, Typhoon's Fury, Hunter's Mark, Bonus Dashes from Hermes
rich cave
Every fists aspect is good. Talos is what I would recommend if you're low on titan blood since the other ones (aside from hidden) are only really good if you max them out.
pastel cipher
Another way of saying activate
fluid yoke
yeah talos is good
although it takes gets used to
if you don't know how to play zagreus fists honestly just throw on the lambent plume and make a mad dash through the underworld
pastel cipher
Doing the meme poseidon special build on talos is fun :3
worldly vigil
is there a good source about which god's are hardest in an encounter?
fluid yoke
well
rich cave
I usually only use zag aspect if I'm going for a meme high dodge chance build with plume and hermes boon
fluid yoke
do you mean trials
worldly vigil
I think? When you have the option to pick one or the other
fluid yoke
yeah i suppose it is the main benefit of its dodge
bejng able ro stack it with other dodge
uh
well
|| demeter ||is pretty hard
rich cave
Poseidon is the hardest one
turbid thicket
i think it comes down to each player. personally, I hate demeter encounters.
fluid yoke
i try not to counterpick against her
worldly vigil
I am looking at Zeus and Ares
turbid thicket
ares is just beyblade city lmao
fluid yoke
those are the two i mainly avoid
rich cave
Ares is pretty easy too but I find Zeus's easier
worldly vigil
yikes
rich cave
Ares's circles move as you fight and Zeus's stay in one spot iirc
fluid yoke
i find dionysius and athena probably the easiest generally
rich cave
Athena is by far the easiest one
turbid thicket
yeah, athena's just annoying
rich cave
She just temporarily gives an enemy a shield
fluid yoke
i think its probably worst to get hers in elysium
like if she gives the souls a shield
rich cave
Even then you can just fight the other ones and take care of it after the shield is gone
fluid yoke
outside of that can't think of many major problems with hers outside of normal dodging and waiting a bit
rich cave
Aphro isn't too bad if you can keep track of her projectile and fight at the same time
turbid thicket
aphrodite irritates me to no end and i don't know why
polar smelt
I always avoid aphro & poseidon
fluid yoke
i think ive gotten better at avoiding poseidon over time
he was rhe first god trial i did and passed iirc
keen oracle
Aphrodite is evil in trial of the gods, I have never not regretted it
sand crag
Aphrodite is annoying but tolerable.
Poseidon wasn’t too much of a bother.
Athena is just obnoxious and not really all that dangerous.
I think those are the three I’ve done.
dense pier
2nd time getting to Redacted and 2nd time RIPing in 2nd phase. Time to die again. This game is like crack. I am in my 30ish escape attempt.
dense pier
thanks! I will get it eventually, each boss was a problem until I learned their patterns.
gl @worldly vigil
worldly vigil
haha ty
polar smelt
worldly vigil
@polar smelt This is the second time I'm using your build.. I didn't get the duo this time tho... Just walked in to the final boss fight 😅
polar smelt
Yes how did it go
worldly vigil
HOLY WOW YES I DID IT
rich cave
Nice
worldly vigil
the sense of accomplishment lol
rich cave
Was that your first clear?
worldly vigil
yeah
rich cave
Good job!
worldly vigil
I forgot to take a screenshot 😢
polar smelt
If you've unlocked administrative chambers you can get SS from there
If not, who cares, you bloody did it
worldly vigil
I don't... diamonds are so hard to come by
polar smelt
Ah well
fluid yoke
dw they'll be easier to now
worldly vigil
this community is awesome lol. ty everyone
fluid yoke
it is nice
polar smelt
just passing on the wholesomeness I experienced when I started.. not long ago 
polar smelt
Oh btw folks I am hype, clear 50 is next run 
worldly vigil
ayyy nice
ocean cosmos
Gl dood
polar smelt
Might crack out the old reliable for it as a remembrance
fluid yoke
whars that
polar smelt
Chaos shield
polar smelt
Dont need luck thing is broken
What I need is to fast forward 3h so I can finish work
fluid yoke
i'm at 46 clears rn
polar smelt
I have 17 clears from 18 attempts with shield, technically 17 streak, all increasing in ||heat||
fluid yoke
i have an online class at 10am i might sleep through it ans then do a hades run
huh
cool
polar smelt
Donno if I want to do a challenge run or chill run tho
polar smelt
i have an online class at 10am i might sleep through it ans then do a hades run
Class! Hades will still be there when you finish
fluid yoke
maybe just do a hill run
its through im not playing hades in the middle of the class just sleeping through the class ok
polar smelt
polar smelt
I need a chaos emote tbh
fluid yoke
gonna beat my final weapon at || heat 5|| next with an eris run
worldly vigil
That's why I don't sign up for classes before 11 lol
polar smelt
fluid yoke
and complete the em3 poseidon prophecy
as in get the message from poseidon
to complete it
polar smelt
||em3||
fluid yoke
don't think ive done an eris run when it's level 3
so gonna be a level higher than my previous
oje
polar smelt
I get why its not a thing but I almost wish you could retroactively get rewards when significantly jumping ||heat||
fluid yoke
yeah it would be interesting
worldly vigil
do you guys use fated authority or persuasion?
sleek axle
persuasion
polar smelt
Whichever lets me reroll my boon choices
sleek axle
authority isnt really useful unless youre going for gimmick runs like most upgrades or most health
polar smelt
Not the rooms
fluid yoke
persuasion usually
helps me controls my builds more rn
i have 2 on it and 3 on authority so maybe ill do some more authority at some poin
worldly vigil
okay cool. Thought maybe the other way to better control which gods I get, but I could see both ways
fluid yoke
ive had good moments with authority in run controlling
rerolled an elite god room once and got the god exactly i wanted
it was perfect
tacit kiln
Just started Hades, and super excited
tacit kiln
ok, will do 🙂
fluid yoke
gl with escaping the depths of tartarus
polar smelt
fresh faces to shower with support and advice 
fluid yoke
when i joined here i was like
only 10ish clears in or not even that yet
now im at 46
lost plume
hi, just started playing hades
worldly vigil
I can't decide what condition I should pick in the ||Pact of Punishment||
polar smelt
welcome
fluid yoke
if you want some easy ones id suggest
reef shoal
Tips for leveling up keepsakes?
lost plume
is cursed slash kinda op haha
fluid yoke
|| tight deadline 1 if you have sub 36 sorted fine||
|| benefits package is 2 heat ||
reef shoal
What weapon is good regardless of boon build?
fluid yoke
|| em1+2 if you can manage the difficulty rise is also something id suggest||
lost plume
after never making it past tartarus i got cursed slash as my first dedalus and then made it to the thesus/bull fight on my 6th run...
polar smelt
||conveiniance fee 1/2 & tight deadline 1 were the easiest for me||
fluid yoke
|| fee means you'll be alot tighter on buying stuff from charon keep in mind||
worldly vigil
yeah ||convenience fee|| doesn't seem too bad
polar smelt
is cursed slash kinda op haha
it's good and bad, when starting it's fine to take, but you'll realize that dash-attacking with sword is better than 3 hitting, so you'll stop using it
fluid yoke
i think cursed slash is like
lost plume
hmm i see
fluid yoke
ive used it and i feel like it's solid and helps a new player
but for the final boss i don't think it's that op
lost plume
im just surprised how easy it was to make it all the way to elysium with cursed slash
polar smelt
What weapon is good regardless of boon build?
I think fists are a good shout here, as long as you have zeus attack to begin with, you'll have a good run
don't forget that you can always start a god's keepsake to make sure you have that god to begin with
polar smelt
im just surprised how easy it was to make it all the way to elysium with cursed ...
tbh I had the exact same experience, I was struggling, I got cursed slash from tartarus, zoomed all the way to final boss, but lost there cause weirdly enough healing 2 every hit doesn't compare ||to get hitting 30s ||
fluid yoke
yeah
you still need to dodge on the final boss with cursed slash even if it does give you leeway
on alot of stuf
lost plume
haha good to know someone else went through the same thing
polar smelt
lmao I just had a read through some of my old messages, god I was such a cute noob... 10 days ago 
something something addiction
fluid yoke
i used to not understand everything on an end of run screen
now i can decipher it within seconds
polar smelt
whenever I look at #h1-victory-boasting i just check ||heat||, time & build
or give a little reaction when someone gets their first few clears 
fluid yoke
i like arranging my boons alot tbh
its really aesthetically pleasing being able to go
"these are the boons/items that defined this run ans i an showing them off in a cool way"
those 5 duo runs were so mcuh to do that with
polar smelt
that's true, I do organize mine as well a little
mainly either duos or "this was my core"
nocturne vault
tranquil escarp
I did it!
ocean cosmos
boss name is spoilers in this channel by the way
tranquil escarp
I made it out of Elysium!
polar smelt
ocean cosmos
noice
polar smelt
Nice music
ocean cosmos
now go all the way!
tranquil escarp
I still have two death defies left. ;-;
polar smelt
Maten did you freak out when you saw ||cerberus|| standing there in your first styx? I straight up thought I had to fight him
ocean cosmos
oh man for sure lol
im like ||"no no no, i dont want to fight him"||
||nobody wants to fight the goodest boi||
sleek axle
||i was also really sad when i saw cerbie standing there but then i got jebaited lol||
ocean cosmos
||the text after you done the sack thing are hilarious||
polar smelt
Ah yea
tranquil escarp
||I reached father. ;_;||
versed scarab
||So did I, I died||
tranquil escarp
It was epic oh my god
worldly vigil
I was about to be so sad that I was going to have to fight ||Cerebus||
tranquil escarp
Yeah I would have been pretty mad with game devs if they made us do that.
sleek pond
Does anyone know if Bad News stacks with Trippy Shot?
old escarp
If you mean does it work for every shot, yes
sleek pond
Ok thank you
shadow thunder
if I have only two diamonds is it better to get the ||deluxe desk|| or the ||administrative privilege||
civic blaze
is there a consensus best aspect?
old escarp
Depends who you ask (which means no, I suppose)
The thing about Hades is that the weapons are generally well balanced, so it's more about how you play than it is what is the overall best
The fastest aspect is probably Eris, though
worldly vigil
I have found that almost everything is this game is objective
depending on how you play
civic blaze
You mean subjective right?
old escarp
This is still subjective, but I would say Eris, Chiron, Demeter, Achilles, and (4th bow) ||Rama||
That's just my opinion
civic blaze
Interesting choices!
Personally I'd put Eris, ||Arthur, Beowulf||, Talos, Achilles and maybe ||Rama|| (it's borderline) in the S tier so far!
native rivet
uh how do i upgrade my weapon using god blood?
like is there an rea im supposed to go too
old escarp
Do you have all the weapons unlocked?
native rivet
no
worldly vigil
do that first
old escarp
Gotta do that first
worldly vigil
do ||heat bounty rewards|| change per level?
old escarp
do ||heat bounty rewards|| change per level?
No, they're always the same for each boss
native rivet
how do i get the last 2 weapons?
civic blaze
use keys to unlock
signal pine
how do i get the last 2 weapons?
theyll reveal themselves once you get the first 4, one after the other
worldly vigil
||Okay so I just got my first clear and then went again with one heat and cleared the first two bosses. If I turn the heat up to two, will I get rewards for the first two bosses?||
native rivet
@signal pine dont u already have the first 4 weapons unlocked at the beginning of the game lol
civic blaze
you have to clear the game at a certain heat level
to unlock the bounties at the next level
signal pine
<@!350618665483370508> dont u already have the first 4 weapons unlocked at the b...
you only get the sword i believe, and the bow basically immediately after that
worldly vigil
you only start with the sword
signal pine
yeah
native rivet
oh i see waht u mean
signal pine
ye you use the chthonic keys to unlock them
native rivet
ok
i already unlocked the first 4 (shield, spear, bow, and the one you start with) but the 5th and 6th podiums are empty
worldly vigil
the last two are initially hidden tho. Play another round..
native rivet
kk
signal pine
^^
native rivet
ty then
civic blaze
when you unlock them I suggest using most of your titan blood on one aspect you really like instead of spreading it out
that way you can clear the game consistently and get blood easily
native rivet
im likin the spear rn so i think ima just go for that
civic blaze
I'd suggest Achilles to invest in
signal pine
im not that far in either
native rivet
is spear underrated or somethin?
signal pine
i just got access to the aspects
civic blaze
People think the spear is meh
signal pine
im having fun with fists of malphon the most
subtle granite
hidden is choppy af but still fun
native rivet
idk what im supposed to be lookin for for the last 2 weapons since ive gotten to the final boss but ill go once more
civic blaze
i got 3dds in the hades fight with the hidden fist aspect and lost somehow
that was my worst run ever imo
sly vigil
_the spear gang is growing_
what is this?
subtle granite
idk what im supposed to be lookin for for the last 2 weapons since ive gotten to...
you have all 4 weapons already, and bought the locked ones?
cause if yes you just need to go on a run and the next weapon will appear
whatsup fox
signal pine
how does the aspect of talos work?
civic blaze
the special is a magnet
subtle granite
it sucks in enemies
signal pine
ohh
civic blaze
kinda op
civic blaze
underrated tbh
subtle granite
like they're spagetti
signal pine
i think ill go with that when i finish with this run
subtle granite
talos is if you like fists but you dont like close combat
native rivet
you have all 4 weapons already, and bought the locked ones?
cause if yes you jus...
ive unlocked them for a while and have gone on many runs so far tho, it still hasnt shown up
civic blaze
that's... unusual
subtle granite
huh that sounds like a bug tbh
civic blaze
they should auto appear after you unlocked 4
native rivet
ill go for one more just in case
subtle granite
exactly
The Twin Fists of Malphon are one of the Infernal Arms that can be unlocked for 8 Chthonic Keys after unlocking the first four weapons.
sly vigil
talk to skelly?
subtle granite
skelly doesnt unlock them, he talks about them as they get unlocked tho
signal pine
ye
native rivet
maybe this run ill beat the final boss before even unlocking the 2 weapons xdd
signal pine
he says something along the lines of "a delivery for you back there" i believe? or it might be different between save files idk
but the fists are already there, but not unlocked
subtle granite
||Zagreus: "Say, Skelly? Don't suppose you'd care to tell me how the infamous Twin Fists of Malphon came to be right here in this very courtyard, would you?"
Skelly: "Nope! Not any of my business, pal, which is to say, I didn't see a thing! And even if I did, it isn't what I'm paid to do! Don't you have someone in your fancy House there paid to keep
watch over stuff like that? Ask them!"
Zagreus: "All right, maybe I will."||
- After acquiring the Twin Fists of Malphon.
thats the interaction according to the wiki
subtle granite
but thats just the dialogue, it doesnt have his full free interactions listed
worldly vigil
Okay so I have seen streamers talk to ||Bouldy|| but I'm in the room with him and can't. Do I need to talk to ||Sisyphus|| more?
subtle granite
i will probably try to fill the quotes wiki in a while sigh
civic blaze
you need to give him more nectar
subtle granite
and talk to sisy about bouldy
after i think 3 interactions you can gift the rock and roll therapist some nectar
honestly i would pay for a bouldy therapy session dlc at this point
minigame: roll bouldy up
civic blaze
id pay for any dlc tbh
worldly vigil
I just got the movement speed reduction from Chaos and this is one of the funniest things I've ever seen
Zag looks like he is faking slow motion for effect
worldly vigil
yeah
subtle granite
"i'm comig for you theseus, it will take me a few years but i can still dash"
worldly vigil
Its relatively unfortunate as I have the timer buff on
subtle granite
dashdashdash
worldly vigil
More like dashdash..dashdash
subtle granite
trutru
light grove
or if using ||Gilgamesh|| dashdashdashdash, or if you also have Greatest Reflexes: dashdashdashdashdashdashdashdashdashdashdashdash
subtle granite
or if you have hermes just never stop annihilating that dash button
worldly vigil
lol true
subtle granite
honestly even if you dont have hermes, who needs to walk
sly vigil
The better the mobility skill, the better the roguelite.
That's why Hades, Enter the Gungeon, and Dead Cells are so fun.
worldly vigil
Enter the Gungeon is too damn hard imo
drowsy plover
I saw someone who beat [Redacted] simply by spamming dash button
sly vigil
People have also beaten the last boss by doing nothing.
drowsy plover
Oh dear. And when I try to dash I run straight into his spin...
uneven ledge
greater reflex + aspect of ||gilgamesh|| + greatest reflex (heroic)
😳
imagine a dash-attack build except the dash is the attack
drowsy plover
I haven't unlocked aspect of ||Gilgamesh|| yet 
idk how
uneven ledge
@drowsy plover talk to the elysium miniboss, you know who it is
drowsy plover
Oh yeah I do. Do I have to fight him alone?
drifting island
yes, you have to fight him alone for the dialogue to show up
drowsy plover
Okay, thanks
sleek axle
Dash only runs are fun
Especially if you get poseidon or ares
I did both and both went pretty well
hollow ledge
Dash only runs are fun
I had no idea those were a thing
drifting island
blade dash only runs are hilarious
sleek axle
Yeah blades dash runs are fun
Only hard part is the beginning
Once you get the secondary boons it becomes a cakewalk
uneven ledge
does privileged status also work on dash effects like blade dash?
sleek axle
I think it does
uneven ledge
so hidden fists + greatest reflex + poseidon dash + zeus duo + p. status
big damage from just dashing around the enemy lmao
shrewd edge
This game is pretty good but it’d be a lot better if you could wave dash... wait...
full depot
Ps is global damage modifier so all damage a ps'd enemy takes is increased
sand crag
Got my first clear. It was interesting.
polar smelt
congrats
polar smelt
What do people normally default to when building demeter fists? cause all I can think of is "start zeus" 
sleek axle
you could try ares attack + athena special and hope for merciful end
after that you can get athena dash
polar smelt
I don't love the idea of not going zeus attack on fists, the room clear with lightning is pretty pog
though I swear zeus hates me me now that I've started giving him nectar, last two runs I've started his keepsake I haven't seen him naturally in tartarus or aspho
signal pine
you could try ares attack + athena special and hope for merciful end
i think the way to go without Zeus is merciful end yeah
muted latch
Demeter is not spoiler territory 
polar smelt
y'know what, I haven't got splitting headache yet, so let's go dio + arti
muted latch
subtle granite
"ah yes, this thing that can be a spoiler is nice, i wont tell which i mean tho" BROTHER
muted latch
if you need the ||bounties||
polar smelt
eh it's only ||heat 6|| for bounty, may as well
polar smelt
yeah I still need to get all hidden aspects maxed & ran so I can get the ||fates list thingy||
muted latch
you basically just may clear the game slower
as long as you dont do ||HS, FO, FL or EM4||
polar smelt
||0-16 is not fundamentally different||
||don't tell me this, I was very proud of clearing 16|| 
polar smelt
subtle granite
anybody who goes beyond 10 is fantastic in my book
not that many peeps tend to do that funnily enough
muted latch
yeah I dont bother doing past ||12|| since I got pretty much all weapons I need to max
polar smelt
yeah I've already decided this isn't a zoom run cause I put on ||bp||
muted latch
got the rest through trading and fishing
subtle granite
i just wanna 63 every weapon one day
and then sing hey look ma i made it with darren and brendon urie
to the va of momyx and ||mom||
muted latch
by beating 63 you will become the new WR holder
subtle granite
ik
muted latch
61 actually
subtle granite
which is why i want to sing with darren
polar smelt
okay okay hang on a sec
subtle granite
maybe even ping jesse since i'm apparently obsessed
muted latch
||Darren is apparently also the best player on the dev team who has a sub 12 min clear||
subtle granite
well you have gods legacy
polar smelt
I mean yes but
subtle granite
also spoiler it, wrong channel for this m8 👀
subtle granite
ikr, i ended tart with two duos once
polar smelt
what's spoilers about that
muted latch
||heat||
subtle granite
you see the ||heat||
polar smelt
ah valid
subtle granite
totes
polar smelt
anyway back to run, have fun 👋
drowsy plover
Grr 38m clear with rail. I live up to my name :c
polar smelt
drowsy plover
I tried to be fast but that's as fast as I've ever been lol
drowsy plover
Okay I'll try heh. But I finished ||Chaos' prophecy|| so not bad :3
fluid yoke
which chaos prophecy
muted latch
time is irrelevant
and you will be blasting through the game in 20 min in no time
my first clear took me 42 min
fluid yoke
adamant rail is my slowest clear tbh
my fastest clear is like uh
26 mins and my eris run just now took over 30
compared to all my other weapons records beign 24 or lower
might just be i need to get better
viral pendant
Time is only relevant if ||you're using the time limit heat option||
sand locust
are any of the other ||hidden aspects|| any good? i've been having a lot of success with ||arthur|| but idk what to go for now
regal patio
||Darren is apparently also the best player on the dev team who has a sub 12 min...
Are you telling me that || Zagreus is quite literally the best? || 
muted latch
||no, Skelly is the best||
rich cave
are any of the other ||hidden aspects|| any good? i've been having a lot of succ...
That’s all subjective. You just have to try them out and see for yourself if you like them
fluid yoke
yeah
ive only really used one so far
|| arthur|| and it was really good
i need to probably level the others before i try runs with them
rich cave
||Arthur|| is probably the only one I like over the other aspects for that weapon
paper zephyr
There a way to increase hermes showing up
quartz condor
is Swift Flourish/Flurry Cast (hermes) considered 'main' skills, or buffs to others? (ie, can i roll it after getting the lightening cast?)
quartz condor
awesome! i noticed the different icon, so though/hoped that was the case
sand crag
what weapon did you use
I used the Shield of Chaos.
I also had Stubborn Roots, which helped a lot.
rich cave
Nice
sand crag
Probably my favorite duo boon so far.
rich cave
Every time I’ve got stubborn roots I didn’t lose a single death defiance lol
sand crag
Also, I really like Artemis’s call.
sand crag
Yeah.
sleek axle
Idk about you guys but I basically never use the gods' regular calls
Mostly because I forget about it most of the time but I just feel like they're kinda not worth using
uneven ledge
athena, zeus and poseidon are most definitely worth using
rich cave
Yeah Athena’s regular call is amazing
uneven ledge
athena's greater call 😩 👌
flint pulsar
Zeus regular call slaps too
old escarp
Dio is also worth using as a single charge, kind of wasted as greater
rich cave
I don’t find her greater call to be worth saving for
sand crag
Athena’s just makes you invulnerable for about a second and a half, if memory serves. I prefer the six-second invulnerability from the greater charge.
rich cave
I use fists and her call just lets me go all out for a bit without having to worry about taking any damage
leaden whale
What does forging a bond do?
rich cave
You get a cool sticker next to their keepsake
rich cave
Some characters give ||companions|| when you gift them ambrosia
leaden whale
Oh yeah I’ve got a few of them
flint pulsar
U can also ||romance some characters||
rich cave
That too
flint pulsar
By ||some chars i mean Meg, Thanantos, and Dusan iirc||
rich cave
||Dusan||
paper zephyr
So I got hesita and it doesn't fully unload a clip like I see on YouTube what am I doing wrong
flint pulsar
...
What?
Probably a build or smt
But I dont know what your asking specifically
viral horizon
Hello everybody. Ive been playing a game for a while now ( more than 70 tries ) but still cant beat the final boss
Any advises to finally finish the game and see the ending?
silver kayak
sorry I can't really help, I'm still stuck on the final boss with 20 escape attempts
flint pulsar
Hello everybody. Ive been playing a game for a while now ( more than 70 tries ) ...
What are you struggling with?
Losing dds early? Getting hit?
Or going in with low resources?
viral horizon
What are you struggling with?
I am not sure exactly what is the trouble. Ive been on the final stage for a lot of couple of times ( more than 10 ) but had problems with too much damage from Hades
flint pulsar
Ah
Have you been getting hit ||by the skulls?||
That makes you take a lot of dmg
Try to get iFrames down
((Although I still haven't
viral horizon
Or going in with low resources?
Well that's not the problem since I got the general understanding of boons: duos, legendaries, etc
viral horizon
Have you been getting hit ||by the skulls?||
which ones?
flint pulsar
There's always God mode
flint pulsar
which ones?
The ||flaming ones||
viral horizon
I guess it's also the problem with Minotaur and scumbag bosses. I am losing too much hp there
flint pulsar
Ooo
viral horizon
Try to get iFrames down
What is that exactly?
viral horizon
If your really really struggling and its super frustrating
Yep, its so stupid. I just wanna see the ending by myself(
flint pulsar
When your chacter flashes white
viral horizon
There's always God mode
well...
viral horizon
When your chacter flashes white
so how it might help?
flint pulsar
If you want a build
flint pulsar
so how it might help?
You can avoid taking ||hades spin damage completely||
Its called iframes since its shirt for invicibility frames
So you can dodge without actually having to run away
Or lose much dps
viral horizon
Thanks man. Any other tips?
flint pulsar
Divine dash really helps out if you haven't mastered iframes
It gives you a much larger time to react
And take the acorn keepsake from euridice
((Can't spell
Good luck fellow escapist!
reef shoal
Am I weird for preferring Tidal Dash over Divine Dash?
flint pulsar
Am I weird for preferring Tidal Dash over Divine Dash?
Nope! Play how you want! Its just that divine dash is just makes things really forgiving, but its all preference/build
sand crag
Yeah, I like Divine Dash because, for me, the dash is a defensive maneuver, so making it as safe and defensively strong as possible is my priority.
Divine Dash + Ruthless Reflex + Greatest Reflex is kino.
woven stump
I'd love to jump in here because I'm struggling with the same thing
For me it's that I seem to lose any good window of attack
Like I just lost to the hydras last night with a pretty good build and I swear it's because once the already small battle area fills up with area denial, projectile spam and homing attacks there's just no way to avoid damage
and even with a good dash that's just killing time. Any time I stop dashing to land a hit I take damage from something, basically.
And the maze having those ...poison rats makes it 10x worse
rich cave
You just have to time your hits carefully and focus on the individual hydra heads one at a time so you can clear up space
woven stump
Yeah I was actually dropped them really fast, using the bow special with a delayed improved doom and the aegis charge attack
Like I dropped each head in the first round with less than 3s of sustained fire
But once the zone filled up with lava for the second phase I just took constant damage
rich cave
||Just wait until you see the extreme measures hydra arena||
woven stump
lol
stray terrace
||oops! all magma||
rich cave
The lava is annoying but if you use bow you should be able to get a clear space quickly and attack the rest of the heads from afar
woven stump
^ great display pic btw that was my favourite episode of the series so far
Yeah I had the most "no hit" rooms with the bow that round
Maybe I'm missing the worst of where I take damage from
any tip for the plague rats? it's basically a similar situation
stray terrace
the rats in styx?
woven stump
In the maze
rich cave
You can either use projectiles on them and stay out of the poison or beat them to death with a constant stunlock before they use poison
woven stump
last time I faced them the room was 90% filled with poison in like 8 seconds and I died lol
rich cave
And in case you aren’t aware, you can cure poison with the yellow pools during combat
woven stump
oh during too eh
rich cave
Yes
stray terrace
those big chunky rats are annoying yeah
rich cave
It automatically cures when you clear the room
stray terrace
theres no way to clear the poison pools without them just despawning
woven stump
oh so they're mainly for mid combat. Cool.
rich cave
They do have a couple second cooldown on them though so you can’t just camp them
rich cave
Nope
worldly vigil
Can anyone recommend a good/relatively easy build for zag spear
woven stump
I'll also use the acorn more. I use the shawl a lot for the bonus damage, and I tend to cash in the tooth if I'm still low health going into styx or elysium
stray terrace
you get healed of poison automatically after the chamber is cleared anyways
acorn and tooth are def top keepsakes
rich cave
I'll also use the acorn more. I use the shawl a lot for the bonus damage, and I ...
Broken spearpoint might help you get through the poison because it’ll shield you from quite a bit of the damage you’d normally take from it
woven stump
Also any recommendation between the mirror buff that either +1% boon rarity or +2% chance at ...fruits coins and aegis?
woven stump
spearpoint is a good call
tbh though I think.... I just need to do a couple runs where I focus exclusively on positioning
sand crag
I don’t understand Dark Foresight. It just seems to boost your chance for every reward that isn’t a special room.
Doesn’t seem useful.
alpine ridge
it boosts your chance to see boons iirc which makes it more useful than rarity imo
i don't particularly mind getting common boons as long as I can get access to the gods i want more often
it's better late game for sure when you don't need Darkness, Gems, or Keys as much
fluid yoke
its really useful
ok
if you can the trade off for lost resources room
s
it really helps with builds
and getting boons / poms
etc
rich cave
For most boons rarity doesn’t matter very much
fluid yoke
besides you can still keep god's pride on
rich cave
There are a few exceptions though like most Hermes boons and some dio ones
fluid yoke
which still gives you epic stuff
rich cave
It’s up to you if the rarity matters more than finding more boons
fluid yoke
yeah
you can also run keepsakes if youre going for a specific gods boons
that will increase the rarity anyway
and get stuff like exclusive access or just use the poms available to level them anyway
so its losses can be circumvented
fluid yoke
the only reason i would probably avoid it always if i was really going for a farming run
rich cave
Since I use fists I’m less reliant on getting more boons and more so on the power of the boons I take
fluid yoke
and didnt want to miss out on any darkness or gems
tranquil bronze
I did Boys /girls I beat my first run 😉
rich cave
Nice!
native rivet
why is the spear considered less better than the other weapons?
is it cause it doesnt have aoe?
fluid yoke
because people are boring
rich cave
All the weapons can be just as good as each other with the right build
Which one people like is usually based on their playstyle
viral horizon
damn I am crushed by the game. Is it worth it to kill the final boss in terms of the story? God I should've started with the god mode (or whatever it is)
fluid yoke
wdym in terms of the story
rich cave
Yes you should kill the final boss for the story. There’s lots more story even after you finish the main storyline
fluid yoke
your first clear is only the start
i think by far most of the games content comes after you get your first clear and learn how to play and clear consistently
rich cave
It’ll get easier with time
You’ll get more mirror upgrades and learn the combat style better
fluid yoke
and more keepsakes etc
woven stump
@viral horizon you can toggle god mode in the options whenever you want, no?
fluid yoke
and aspects to play with
viral horizon
Yes you should kill the final boss for the story. There’s lots more story even a...
f**k's sake. I need some rest from the game. It was a week marathon full of both joy and agony. Thanks for the message though, appreciate it
woven stump
Also have you boosted death defiance all the way?
muted latch
getting your first final boss kill is just a very small part of the story
not even counting the side stories
woven stump
Heyy what about the mirror upgrade that's like, +2.5% damage per god or +20% damage to double-effects?
muted latch
also dont feel bad about using god mode
viral horizon
Also have you boosted death defiance all the way?
almost, I maxed out the crucial ones
woven stump
I feel like the latter is much better
muted latch
do whatever you want
fluid yoke
it depends on your build tbh
muted latch
^
fluid yoke
i dont use ps much prefer family favourite
but ps on a dio / aphrodite build is gonna be better than family favourite
muted latch
PS is stronger in certain builds, FF on others
woven stump
imo instead of god mode, you gotta look at how you're usually losing and just focus on changing the 1-2 bad habits that are keeping you back
fluid yoke
but if youre not playing with status conditions too much and have a fair number of gods and strong moves
family favourite goes fine
viral horizon
I feel like the latter is much better
o, sorry. Misunderstood the question. Yep, also maxed it out (it's 3, right?)
fluid yoke
thats not good advice
if you need god mode then yeah take it
its likely there are bad habits but also the game is very hard
if you need help don't feel ashamed to take it
you aren't penalised at all for it
woven stump
oh is that true? dang
fluid yoke
you can still experience the story and the characters and unlock everything
with god mode
woven stump
Yeah that's fair
fluid yoke
just means itll be easier
muted latch
you lose nothing by using god mode
viral horizon
imo instead of god mode, you gotta look at how you're usually losing and just fo...
damn its getting competitive) I thought CS GO was competitive until this came out
muted latch
no part of the game is gate off from you
woven stump
I wish there was an option for like ...+3x death defiance added to boss fights as a cushion besides god mode
fluid yoke
lucky tooth or acorn?
muted latch
Acorn by far
muted latch
if you have acorn and made it to the end, use that
it provides significantly more eHP than tooth or collar against final boss
viral horizon
no part of the game is gate off from you
that's so cool. But its been 73 tries so far and ... yeah, tired af
fluid yoke
the 100 hp from lucky tooth
isnt gonna cover the final boss like the acorn
|| all the damage is like at least 20||
muted latch
yeah if you still couldnt get a clear or consistently get normal mode clears past 40 runs
consider god mode
fluid yoke
so 5 hits from the acorn is about equal to or more than the lucky tooth
only problem comes || with the minions he spawns||
muted latch
way more than lucky tooth
considering most of final bosses most lethal attacks hits for 30-40
more if you are tagged
tanking 5 hits can often easily add +200 HP
fluid yoke
yeah we should probably stop talking about the final boss now but anyway if you need god mode take it
woven stump
Hey so what does acorn work against? Like when bosses spam area denial or homing/spreading projectiles each individual one counts as a single instance of damage, right?
fluid yoke
it starts off at +20 percent damage resistance
each hit you take counts as one hit for the acorn
fluid yoke
i think it could work against theseus and asterius on || em3?||
asterius has alot of extra damage
if you don't want to lose a dd early
woven stump
Tooth is single use so when I first got it I'd swap it in at styx if I hadn't got my health up yet
muted latch
if you made it there, ||EM3|| without acorn wont be an issue for you
woven stump
and then either way swap it out after
rich cave
I’d say broken spearpoint works better against the third boss especially on ||em||
fluid yoke
good point
muted latch
and ||EM3|| is easy
drowsy plover
Died to Theseus, I am utterly embarrassed
woven stump
Died to Theseus, I am utterly embarrassed <:shadegrief:520448187358642194>
me too the first time
fluid yoke
maybe its just a matter of me getting used to it
muted latch
acorn is just really a very solid beginner player tool for final boss
drowsy plover
I'm at 80 attempts
woven stump
I take out Theseus first because Asterius is possible to kite, dodge, and land hits
fluid yoke
yeah acorn solid
drowsy plover
You think I shouldn't be dying to Theseus
woven stump
Theseus does range and blocking it's annoying
muted latch
Asterius first is the recommended strat
drowsy plover
But I had stubborn defiance. Oof
fluid yoke
so is the tooth but i think the acorn for purely against the final boss will make you survive better
muted latch
dont use SD on normal runs
woven stump
You think I shouldn't be dying to Theseus
Nope he's tough. And they both smash you in completely opposite ways
muted latch
3DD is much better
rich cave
SD is better on high ||heat||
drowsy plover
And I had fists too. I'm not very good with fists
muted latch
spoilers please
fluid yoke
i lost a dd to theseus on || em3||
first time
probably because i went in such low health and didnt know the patterns of him before
muted latch
that's normal
fluid yoke
i still lose dds to asterius and theseus sometimes normally but honestly i usually ensure i dont
muted latch
||EM3|| is not even harder than normal final boss
Asterius attacks are quite easy to tell
fluid yoke
yeah but asterius hits like a truck tbh
muted latch
always hide behind pillars, dodge behind him when he starts to prepare a swing
woven stump
Yeah Asterius is like those heavy red guys. They hit hard and telegraph as a sign you have to just not be hit by them at all
fluid yoke
yeah
woven stump
The trick I find is to kite him wide then go in and set him up to be trapped by a pillar
inner thorn
heavy red guys?
inner thorn
where are they?
woven stump
All over the first zone
woven stump
They're the first enemy type that is just a straight-up truck
inner thorn
oh yeah ok the fat ghosts
woven stump
Yes
Where you have to just not get hit by them even once. They're not fast and they telegraph attacks and you can get behind them. Other mobs involve a lot of range shenanigans to get used to
But you have all the time in the world to fight those guys because they won't ever make a lucky hit
and they won't contribute to some attritional area denial like floods of projectiles or enemies that jump your bones
they just sloth around trying to land a huge hit
And I say this because two things I did to myself constantly in early runs was take a hit from those guys while I was beating them down, and dash into traps.
And the game is like ..."Really try not to do that even a little bit."
void cloak
Asterius is very easy because all of his attack patterns can be reliably circumvented by dodging towards his face
his two-hit has a safe spot right behind him, his slam has no hitbox behind him at all, and the projectiles he throws behind him in phase 2 require a slightly diagonal tilt, but are otherwise identical in terms of how to avoid them. I find focusing Theseus first to be immensely more difficult because I cannot plan for which god he summons, and because Asterius' patterns make hitting his flank a lot more finicky while dodging, whereas Theseus can be reliably played around while wailing on the bull.
native rivet
oh he can summon different gods?
void cloak
yes. He pulls out a random god, and depending on whom, the patterns for the ensuing dodgefest change
native rivet
i lucked out ig bc he got the bow god on my run and all it does is cause the center of the arena to have arrows over a period of time
void cloak
Aphrodite is a nightmare on most runs - she has a mass attack that requires you to stand in the center of all of it, where you have no cover from Theseus, and her hits apply Weak to you and make finishing Theseus off a lot more tedious
inner thorn
they track 0 heat and 1+ heat seperateley
void cloak
||also spoilers||
shy basalt
hollow ledge
I am so disappointed with myself
I died to the final boss even tho I had 3 respawns
I'm so bad
Anyway I'll try again, this game is hella fun!
cinder cliff
what do i do now that i have a ||locked heart||
fluid yoke
complete the favour
stray terrace
Aphrodite is a nightmare on most runs - she has a mass attack that requires you ...
||aphro is probably the easiest god boon for theseus next to artemis||
void cloak
the only god that can outright immobilize you with threat of activation, which ends up directly synergizing with Theseus himself, and acitvely prolongs the fight by debuffing you, on top of having damage areas too large to reliably double dash through from center is a bottom 3 god
hwat
leaden whale
I like ares, cause he just surrounds you
also, i'm in the habit of killing theseus fast instead of dealing with the summoned god
leaden whale
rail is good at damage and doesn't need to be melee
modern ivy
What aspect would yall recommend for new player
cinder cliff
chiron
modern ivy
Chiron is op with what boons?
stray terrace
any aspect is good tbh if its utilized right
fickle kelp
@modern ivy crit special is nuts. get the weak autoattack
then with the duo boon
it just puts out nuts dps
the hammer for more shots
and you are set
sleek pond
Chiron is a good aspect to practice butterfly runs too
tribal seal
just got the game and its pretty fun
stray terrace
it is!
leaden whale
i have rlly quick question. do i get titan blood with each weapon? or is it ok for me to just use 1 wep all time?
it's okay, you'll miss out on the increased darkness
for example ive already beaten meg with sword so if i beat her agin with something else?
i prefered to max one aspect each weapon
sleek pond
Each weapon has their own resource unlocks
burnt shoal
Yeah
leaden whale
you get titan blood for each weapon for each run difficulty
sleek pond
And later in the game, ||every weapon gets more blood etc. for every heat level too||
burnt shoal
And then once you get the ||Pact of punishment||, then for every ||heat||, you can unlcok more resources
stray terrace
the titan blood you unlock with each weapon doesnt have to be spent on the weapon you earned it with
sleek pond
So you're losing out on a lot of stuff potentially
leaden whale
slight spoiler, but the first time you kill the last boss is early game still. it's a rougelite, and the first clear isn't the end by a long shot
burnt shoal
Yeah
leaden whale
so itan blood gives me great stuff but its not neccesary?
burnt shoal
Yes
stray terrace
well thats what titan blood is for
leaden whale
ok thnks!!
burnt shoal
Titan blood is used for upgrading weapons
sleek pond
Titan blood can make your weapons very powerful though, so losing out on it kinda sucks
stray terrace
you can still beat the game easily without using any titan blood at all
leaden whale
titan blood is for weapons only, and the zag aspects are generally bad, bow and fist being the exceptions
modern ivy
<@!115157784705761289> crit special is nuts. get the weak autoattack
Thanks
leaden whale
my first clear was putting all titan blood into one of the bow aspects, but I cleared first with the sword
burnt shoal
Yeah I got my first clear with 1 titan blood invested in aspect of eris
burnt shoal
Save your keys for the mirror
leaden whale
death defiance, sprints, and the increased hp are the best mirror upgrades early
burnt shoal
yup
leaden whale
unlock all weapons first, then keys for mirror
it's worth buying keys from the trader imo
stray terrace
why unlock all the weapons when you could buy a really fancy decoration amirite
native rivet
I unlocked all the weapons. now how do i access the titan blood upgrade stuff for all the weapons
leaden whale
just keep playing, it happens naturally
keep talking to achilles
talk to everyone in hades every run
harsh wedge
I BEAT HADES LETS GOOOO
leaden whale
spoiler
harsh wedge
thanks
fluid yoke
feel free to post your victory in #h1-victory-boasting
drowsy plover
Yay lost 2 DDs to Lernie, I really suck today
bronze glacier
How the heck do you get legendary fish? I absolutely cannot figure out what I'm doing right or wrong
stray terrace
quick reflexes
1/21 chance if you catch it in .64 seconds
but i think the actual odds are far higher
i caught like 3 legendary fish in a row
bronze glacier
How
I can get the rare ones consistently but I haven't caught a single legendary fish and I'm getting close to like 70 fish lmao
stray terrace
rare fish can also appear on regular “catch”
you can only get legendary fish on a “perfect catch”
the little banner that pops up when you catch a fish tells you while one it is
bronze glacier
What's the difference?
stray terrace
the difference is that common and rare fish appear in “catch” and rare and legendary fish appear in “perfect catch”
bronze glacier
Oh I thought there were different banners
I'm not sure I've paid much attention to whether those change or not
stray terrace
no, just the text is different
stray terrace
youll get em eventually lol
bronze glacier
I mean yeah but I want the happy chemicals for finishing the fishing prophecy lol
native rivet
how do you get more titans blood?
stray terrace
||defeating fury sisters and hades with different weapons and heat levels||
bronze glacier
Do runs with different weapons, otherwise you have to beat the end boss to start being able to pick up more
stray terrace
also by trading with the wretched broker
bronze glacier
Oh yeah also the broker; I forget he exists a lot lol
stray terrace
100 gems for a diamond 👌
fluid yoke
its all just chance
legendary fish dw
not doing anything wrong if youre getting rares alot
bronze glacier
e_e okay so I seem to not be fast enough lol
And yeah I tend to weirdly get a ton that give you Nectar especially so I'm not complaining
drowsy plover
People bragging about fast runs. I have a 63mins clear. Is anyone that slow? I wanna see
stray terrace
were you like purposefully being slow?
light grove
there was a 70+ min run posted earlier
lyric forge
Name's program, eh?
drowsy plover
Okay, I'll do my best to surpass that, mark my words
No, I wasn't. My clears are 40 mins average. This one I had a pretty weak build, rail with spamming special and cast because I had that short ranged 6 bullet attack which couldn't do anything to the main boss so I was dodging for the entire run.
I have no idea how people clear in sub 30
lyric forge
Once you get the hang of things it gets pretty easy to keep a run sub 30.
light grove
sub 30 just requires decent boon/hammer combinations and a bit of practice, but I have no idea how people can do sub 10
drowsy plover
Hang of things? I have 80 attempts and around 20 clears and I'm still slow
bronze glacier
My two clears have been around 35 minutes each 🤷
light grove
there's a guide pinned in this channel - there might be some tips in it to help you
lyric forge
My clearspeed depends on build and settings of course but on average I'd say somewhere between 17 and 23 minutes. Faster and slower depending on how well it goes.
drowsy plover
I always look for Athena or Poseidon dash and Artemis for crits
But had to use this hammer upgrade for a prophecy. It was pretty bad
bronze glacier
More recently I've been prioritizing boons with curse effects, especially ones that can get Duos
I tend not to get Duos until a lot later in the run but I get significantly faster once I have them
lyric forge
Yeah, if you take Priv Status you really need to make sure to get it active somehow. Otherwise don't bother and just grab Family Favorites.
worldly vigil
Okay so I want to try a Ares/Athena Chaos Sheild build with their duo. Should I put deflect on attack or special?
bronze glacier
Attack
If you get the right hammer you can spam Doom around a room and that SLAPS
lyric forge
Yeah, although truth be told Chaos Shield isn't really all that good with Merciful end.
bronze glacier
Oh wait specifically with-
Maybe ignore me; I haven't messed with shield aspects yet lol
lyric forge
Usually the idea with ME is to get something that can apply the Doom quickly and something that can trigger it quickly. That normally means something like fists with Ares attack and Athena Dash. Needs another Athena boon on the special to be eligible for the boon though, but when it works... it works.
earnest lotus
if i swap out the bone hourglass with another item, do my items affected by the bone hourglass lose their affect?
lyric forge
They do not.
earnest lotus
cool
lyric forge
Anything that you bought with the Hourglass active keeps it's duration. If you plan to swap it off, make sure to take a peek at the well first in case there's something useful.
raw locust
Do calls reset after each room?
polar smelt
Yes
quick thorn
I just beat elysium with 3 remaining death defiances and a 60% damage buff from the jerky I got
I think this might be my first successful run
quick thorn
I’ve got hades’ aspect with doom on my main attack and a bunch of great boons
That one great Artemis one
That gives you +50% damage and 50% chance of a crit when the spear returns
Just all around buff
quick thorn
I love the support fire boon that fires an arrow whenever you attack
It’s like chlorophyte bullets in terraria
Same color also
quick thorn
Works well with the spear also
The Daedalus buff where you get 3 stabs with the spear combined with the autoattack buff is insane
You can take out the minotaur in like 45 seconds if you play it well and have some other buffs
quick thorn
It’s my main weapon
I can either buy a Dionysus boon or an Artemis boon before I try to take down hades
I can only buy one
Which one should I buy
I’m thinking Artemis
floral nacelle
Which one do you have more boons of already?
quick thorn
Equal
I’m thinking artemis
Artemis is good for spear
Ok I picked Artemis’ call
First call this run
polar smelt
Arte's call really good when greater call
quick thorn
Just gave Cerberus the satyr sack, this is it
polar smelt
Make sure you dont use it ||near him and half or 1/4 hp||
quick thorn
...why not
polar smelt
||he has temp immunity, so you wont hurt him||
fluid yoke
yeah thats a banger greater
polar smelt
Yeah spicy 2.5k dmg is nothing to laugh at
fluid yoke
maybe not the most useful normal call but
quick thorn
Better with buffs to damage
fluid yoke
if you get greater its so good
polar smelt
I actually prefer some of the non greater calls so I can spam it in normal rooms
quick thorn
I can usually get it to at least 3.5k
polar smelt
Zeus/dio namely
polar smelt
Its always sad when there's like 1 shade left in Elysium and you reach greater call
quick thorn
I got it so dio did like 5 hangover damage per 0.5 seconds second on my main spear attack