which imo is the hardest realm
#h1-for-new-players
polar smelt
river oar
I refuse to use god mode, because it takes the fun away i think
drowsy plover
God mode is not as strong as it seems. You start with 20% damage reduction which isn't much
shrewd edge
I refuse to even know what that does
leaden whale
if you feel stuck, you can try god mode out
it's just dmg reduction
it doesn't make you invincible or anything like that
river oar
God mode is not as strong as it seems. You start with 20% damage reduction which...
i heard it increased by 1 or 2 percent every death
drowsy plover
Then you gain 2% for each death
shrewd edge
Then you gain 2% for each death
so... after 40 runs you are invincible?
drowsy plover
Yeah that's the thing. But you have to die a lot for it to make a huge difference
pastel cipher
it has a hard cap of 80%
drowsy plover
Not really. It caps at 80%
river oar
and how is hell mode?
drowsy plover
So no, it's not like "oh I have God Mode on, I won't die". You will still die but damage reduction gets higher.
alpine ridge
||hell mode starts you of at 5 heat immediately and adds another pact to the pact of punishment||
river oar
what's that
polar smelt
||hell mode starts you of at 5 heat immediately and adds another pact to the pac...
should censor that
yup 
it's stuff you'll learn about in time ^.^
shrewd edge
sorta spoilers
alpine ridge
oh for sure, thanks
pastel cipher
||heat|| is spoilers in this channel as an fyi 
polar smelt
Hi aggy nothing to see here 
alpine ridge
||i guess it is after huh||
pastel cipher
I see spoiler tags that's all 
polar smelt
yo that's 300iq
pastel cipher
it definitely seems that way 👀
polar smelt
anyway as we were saying, figure out what best works for you and keep battling through elysium
drowsy plover
Honestly I still use god mode from time to time. Especially when I'm using other weapons because I barely used them 2-3 times and ofc I'm not very good at them (although I did manage to get to the final boss without it on and turned it on when I lost my last DD)
polar smelt
There's no shame in godmode, and no shame in not using it, single player game with a really wholesome community
just about learning and experiencing things
shrewd edge
does godmode stack with ahprodite / dionysis dmg reduction?
pastel cipher
I assume yes, but not particularly well
shrewd edge
so... can zag become invincible through those means?
pastel cipher
DR iirc is inverse multiplicative
leaden whale
i guess compounding, so you can't be immortal
leaden whale
the base game offers no means for effective invincibility asfaik
drowsy plover
I think they cap at some point, there's no invincibility (except for being impervious which lasts a few seconds anyway)
pastel cipher
except dodge, but it's quite hard to get the 100% dodge build up and running
dodge is additive btw (this was found out only recently)
drowsy plover
Using the lambent plume?
pastel cipher
from memory one way to get there is max zag fists (15%), ruthless reflex (50% when active) any call (artemis works well), plume and that one hermes boon that gives dodge chance after using a call
polar smelt
Ruthless Reflex (50%) + Lambent Plume (38.4%) + Aspect of Zag (15%) + Greater Evasion (20%) + Second Wind (38%) = 161.4%
Source: Haelin's description of his 161% video
pastel cipher
that checks out, very unlikely to happen, but still possible :3
it was believed for the longest time dodge worked the same way DR, turns out we were all wrong
polar smelt
well that's wild, nearly beat my pb on a casual run 
normal viper
had the same happen to me on a run lol
i was a bow main, and saw the spear had 20% more darkness and whatnot, so i tried it out
reached all the way to the final boss
next time i used the spear, i cleared
was such a fun build, loved it
polar smelt
what were you using?
hidden sword w/ crit
shrewd edge
YOOO I FINALLY GOT A WIN STREAK
normal viper
congrats!
shrewd edge
how do i post steam screenshots?
alpine ridge
post it on imgur, then link it here
alpine ridge
i think so
polar smelt
I use a program called shareX
alpine ridge
might be that victory boasting has different restrictions
polar smelt
it automatically uploads whatever I crop to imgur and gives me a link
shrewd edge
i just wanna know how to acess the file directory for steam screenshots
chilly marsh
ocean cosmos
go to your screenshots section on steam app -> manage my screenshots -> show on disk
fickle mountain
does giving jobs to house contractor for renovating the house unlock quest lines or is it just for cosmetic purposes?
sleek axle
some are cosmetic, some are for quests
fickle mountain
are the quest ones only in the first tab?
polar smelt
no
fickle mountain
what ||exagrpyh|| should i choose for the bow?
alpine ridge
do you mean aspect?
polar smelt
most people do hera or chiron
drowsy plover
I was so confused because Exagryph is the rail
fickle mountain
yeah my bad lol
alpine ridge
hera is great specifically for cast builds, chiron is the general use one
ocean cosmos
chiron need upgrades for it to shine though
leaden whale
chiron is also very spammy
forest egret
has anyone had any luck with the daedulus hammer upgrade for the basic sword that makes the attack slower but deal more damage? Everytime that I have tried it it feels so clunky
forest egret
oh i found the name of it, World Splitter
i guess i may just be playing sword like how I play fists so im not used to the slower string combos
alpine ridge
the attack become weirdly small
since it's a vertical chop, the AOE becomes limited to that line
so it's easy to miss
forest egret
yeah im used to doing the three hit combo with the sword and then dash through and special
to finish them off
ocean cosmos
i like building dashy-stabby sword
alpine ridge
it ruins the rhythm of the weapon imo
fickle mountain
is there any way to get hammer as the first thing?
forest egret
no its random
alpine ridge
yep
fickle mountain
rip
forest egret
i think the hammer is the strongest upgrade. on my first run with the railgun i just played it to try it out and got the hammer upgrade that makes it an infinite ammo three round burst. beat theseus and the minotaur on my first ever fight against them because I was just able to spam without needing to reload and set a personal best.
fickle mountain
when i unlocked the railgun i got the same hammer upgrade and cleared the game in the same run lol
forest egret
nice!
I died to the poison rats in styx
couldn't figure out how to counter them before it was too late
ocean cosmos
i hate everything in there (except ||goodest boi Cerby||)
forest egret
i didn't have enough armor shred
fickle mountain
i love it when i get free death defiance from ||patroclus|| and then waste it all at ||thesus|| and ||temple of styx||
forest egret
I could clear like everything else stupidly fast but having four rats bum rush me was painful
how do you beat theseus and the minotaur? I've only beat it once with railgun and thats becaues I just perma dodged and spammed my artemis call and special
died with fists with both of them at half health
ocean cosmos
always get ||Asterius first||
ocean cosmos
||fight him at the edges of the arena, behind pillars||
polar smelt
||why are we censoring stuff that's pre final boss ||
ocean cosmos
fighting ||both when Thesesus does his call is gonna be messy, super messy||
forest egret
||i don't know lmao||
polar smelt
yes, he can't spear you through a pillar
so when you hear the wind up, you know you should reposition
the mino's axe slam can be dashed through
ocean cosmos
boss' attacks and stuff, some people probably would want to see it for themselves
forest egret
the mino's axe slam can be dashed through
yeah thats what I was doing but i made the mistake with fists attacking both at the same time which made me close to both of them
died to the aphrodite aoe
ocean cosmos
also save your call
forest egret
i didn't have a call that run
ocean cosmos
use it to burst the goofball down
forest egret
unfortunately
ocean cosmos
after he does the ||call||
forest egret
I was building zeus + dionysus and couldn't find a call by any of them during my run or anyone else for that matter
ocean cosmos
it's not necessary but helps a lot, i.e arty's call can one shot him right after the boss' ||call|| animation ends
forest egret
artemis is green arrow thing right?
ocean cosmos
yes
forest egret
oh so thats the one I had in my railgun run
terse onyx
For Asterius just fight him at the edge of the arena, use the pillars and dodge to avoid/block Theseus’ attacks.
forest egret
I ended up spamming it because I needed to finish off the minotaur when I was at like 10 health
terse onyx
(Sorry, bit late)
ocean cosmos
she's pretty much great for every build
terse onyx
I just got the Stygian Poseidon aspect and her ability to yank out the cast is meant to be really powerful with that
forest egret
are there any gods that work well with certain weapons? I like running poseidon for the knockback when I go spear but im not sure if there are others like that
polar smelt
fast firing weapons - zeus
ocean cosmos
zeus with rails, poseidon with dash-strike sword
polar smelt
tbf zeus can go with anything 
terse onyx
Ares with shield special I always find works well
polar smelt
doom shield is fun yeah
polar smelt
I prefer zeus cause the duo boon with poseidon works on shield melees
forest egret
but every time I run shield I can't beat bosses
terse onyx
I have major issues with the bow if I don’t get the rapid fire upgrade
forest egret
i just run aspect of charon with the bow
the one that lets your special follow marked targets
super super useful
I finally got the second deaths defiance upgrade yesterday so now I don't have to run tooth in asphodel every run. Before I would start a god's keepsake to start off my build and then swap to tooth for asphodel purely for the hydra. Now i can swap to a different god's keepsake to round off my build better. so much better
prime venture
anyone know how to check for amount of hours played in game? aside from the one in steam since I mostly afk and all
crimson flower
Can somebody explain ||how the hell you fight Charon because holy crap I had to play lame with HP Regeneration with no Death Defiance.||
sleek axle
||only fight him in elysium since you'll probably be adequately equipped to fight him then||
rich cave
Can somebody explain ||how the hell you fight Charon because holy crap I had to ...
||Stay away from him when he does a melee attack and go in while he’s making the projectiles sweep the room. You can dash through them and attack him then. You just have to time your moves carefully because if you slip up you’ll take heavy damage. The fight is widely considered to be harder than the final boss so don’t feel bad about struggling with it, it’s hard.||
fickle mountain
what aspect is good for the railgun?
silk swift
Eris and Hestia are top notch, hidden is good, Zag is okay
forest egret
||was watching the world record hades speedrun by Medic and saw he was using companions a ton. are they only obtainable after you beat the final boss or can you get them beforehand?||
silk swift
||They can be obtained by gifting Ambrosia to certain characters, which you can do by advancing their Nectar line and doing their special thing||
forest egret
||oh sweet. I have one ambrosia from beating theseus that I can use. which do you recommend I try to get first?||
sleek axle
||meg||
ruby mural
||you dont just need amborsia you need to complete that person's favor||
||meaning unlocking their locked heart||
silk swift
||Meg is probably the easiest and best first, Achilles is very good but can take a while to get||
ruby mural
||plus it costs a ton of ambrosia to max out a companion||
||i belive its 10 ambrosia to max||
forest egret
||i already have three hearts in achilles so i may just go for that||
leaden whale
||achilles takes a while||
ruby mural
||getting achillies' companion takes a while||
silk swift
||you can advance the nectar hearts on more than one at the same time, Achilles has a complicated and long favor to do||
leaden whale
||you can basically speedrun Meg I wouldn’t recommend Achilles for new players||
forest egret
||kk ill go for meg||
ruby mural
||meg would be the easiest to get first||
leaden whale
Especially since for new people getting to elysium is hard
drowsy plover
||Meg is probably the easiest to get||
ruby mural
you need to talk to ||patroclus|| as well
leaden whale
||also in my opinion meg is the best summon||
drowsy plover
||others need favors which take time to complete||
ruby mural
||you also need to unlock meg's favor||
||you cant get her companion without gifting her ambrosia||
silk swift
||Achilles and Meg are the best IMO, different advantages ||
drowsy plover
||if you keep giving her nectar she will eventually show up in your room to gather her possessions||
ruby mural
||for me that took 105 runs||
drowsy plover
||yeah around the same for me as well||
ruby mural
||the normal amount if you talk to meg a lot is 6 runs after you get her max hearts||
drowsy plover
||and got Dusa's companion at around 75||
rich cave
||I got it like the run after I maxed her hearts lol||
forest egret
||meg is always talking to dusa so I haven't been able to give her a lot of nectar 😦||
ruby mural
||im just waiting for achillies to give me the prophecy to get his companion||
rich cave
||meg is always talking to dusa so I haven't been able to give her a lot of nect...
Sometimes if you go to a different room and then come back she’ll be alone and you can gift her
ruby mural
im getting close to getting every weapon max
ruby mural
i think i need 19 more titan blood
drowsy plover
||but yeah I prefer Meg's companion too, it deals great damage||
rich cave
I have max level on everything aside from hidden which I don’t use
rich cave
||but yeah I prefer Meg's companion too, it deals great damage||
I use ||Than’s|| because it does bigger damage but it can be hard to hit
drowsy plover
yeah I get that
ruby mural
if i trade in my ambrosia i could max the rest of my weapons
drowsy plover
yeah but I need it to max the other relationships... oof this is hard
hollow ledge
how can I get ||companions||?
drowsy plover
If you ||give ambrosia to certain characters, they will give you a companion||
hearty tulip
I feel like I've been using the wrong keepsake I've been maining Chiron so ||distant memory|| is good right or have I been putting myself at a disadvantage
bronze wigeon
how can I complete Sisyphu's quest?
hearty tulip
Talk to people, make sure your giving people nectar
bronze wigeon
what people?
hearty tulip
||meg is a character you need five hearts, NYX and systhus||
Wait I'll find you the wiki link
bronze wigeon
I found it
ruby mural
systhus oof you do be spelling my mans name wrong :(
bronze wigeon
ty
ruby mural
sisyphus requires more respect
ruby mural
you breaking sisyphus' heart maan ;(
hearty tulip
I'm Breaking his heart because ||I can't romance|| him
ruby mural
true
hearty tulip
Donkey your good at the game is me using ||distant memory|| okay for Chiron
Cus someone on Reddit was @tting someone for using it and now I'm freaking out
hearty tulip
Ah shoot
Thank you
That could explain one of the many reasons I'm not getting a lot of damage
hearty tulip
I'll try ||lambent then as me getting through an encounter without losing hp|| is a a dream that will never happen xD
ruby mural
i can go through everything up to ||styx without taking dmg|| xd
hearty tulip
And that be why your not fair ||Elysium how?!!!||
||the obnoxious butterfly's as well!!||
ruby mural
||its pretty easy to dodge elysium if you are careful||
forest egret
||that butterfly room is absolutely insane||
||so annoying||
granted im very new but I just never have enough burst to take it down fast enough
hearty tulip
||I find Styx easier than Elysium just because I can snipe from afar and not jumped over the gap||
Same chuck
cheesing is how I'm gonna win this
full swan
I always have close to 0 dps with the shield, what gives?
hearty tulip
That why I don't like shield
ruby mural
shield isnt meant for high dps its meant to be a safe and easy win
its the weapon that i would say takes the longest to clear with
forest egret
I can never play shield properly
full swan
I lost last run because I didnt finish it in time
I need a bit more dps to beat the timer
full swan
Lol I'm new, my average run is 33 minutes
ruby mural
my best clear so far has been with ||aspect of demeter|| fists
forest egret
my average run is [null]
ruby mural
i got a sub 10 min clear with it
polar smelt
I tried those out today donkey, I died at [redacted] but it was an interesting run regardless
hearty tulip
my average run is [null]
Me
hearty tulip
It's [redacted] for me xD
ruby mural
yes
ruby mural
i was actually doing a sea storm run
so i had poseidon attack and zeus call to get sea storm
and i got lucky and got all the good boons i need to make sea storm do mad dmg
polar smelt
built different
I also nearly beat my pb with hidden sword w/ crit, damn that thing is fun
ocean cosmos
hmm shield with sea storm+various poseidon knockback effects can probably be fun 
pinball build
polar smelt
sea storm is insanely good, for those who don't know it also impacts actual knockbacks, eg shield attack
ruby mural
yeah
forest egret
ohhh i thought it only worked on poseidon effects
ruby mural
too bad it sucks on chiron xd
polar smelt
I default to zeus special & looking for seastorm when I do chaos runs
zeus special just helps soo much for clearing early
ruby mural
i tried out sea storm on chiron
polar smelt
ocean cosmos
add razor shoals, second wave, typhoons fury
ruby mural
but the bad thing is that it only has time to proc the sea storm effect once per special making it insanely garbage
polar smelt
depends how you start maten
full swan
|| What aspect of the fists is good? ||
polar smelt
if you're doing poseidon flourish start then yes
if you're doing zeus you'd want zeus based things
drowsy plover
I like ||Talos||
rich cave
|| What aspect of the fists is good? ||
All of them
ocean cosmos
i like ||demeter||
drowsy plover
Sorry
rich cave
Demeter aspect is my favorite but they’re all good
ruby mural
yeah when you use sea storm on chiron and special it deals 60 dmg 🤣
polar smelt
hangover chiron tho 
ruby mural
i like crit chiron
polar smelt
someone made a very valid argument against crit chiron the other day
200% of not-much, is still not-much
ruby mural
when i use it it deals mad dmg tbh
polar smelt
also I just started a chiron run and hit relentless volley first room, let's go
ruby mural
i was able to get asterius to half health with 2 volleys
ruby mural
that was with heart rend
polar smelt
I didn't see the damage when I tried crit last night
do I give it another shot now before I go too deep into this run
sure why not
ruby mural
i used aphro attack artemis special and got heart rend asterius go poof
ocean cosmos
so I just finished a chiron run, not a single special hammer upgrade
loud lynx
Heya! I just unlocked all the weapons and now I have a choice of upgrades. Should I already upgrade something this early or save the titan blood for later on? I still don't know what weapon to main and I haven't gotten past Area 3 yet
ruby mural
there is no reason to save titan blood
you get way more than you need to max every weapon
old escarp
Pick whichever weapon you're most comfortable with, they're all viable
polar smelt
save your blood, be a hoarder like I was
ruby mural
no
drowsy plover
Me being sad because I can't beat [Redacted] with ||heat|| on
ruby mural
dont worry you'll get there
loud lynx
So far, i'm liking the shield and spear the most. Should I split my titan blood for diff weapons or dump into one? Which upgrades should I go for?
ruby mural
for shield chaos for spear achillies
loud lynx
I haven't upgraded anything yet so i'm not sure how to unlock the 4th aspect
rich cave
Go for whatever suits you best
polar smelt
chaos shield chaos shield
ocean cosmos
Zag spear is pretty good as well
rich cave
Lots of people like chaos shield aspect but imo Zeus is way better
ruby mural
zeus is doo doo ;)
drowsy plover
I like Zeus shield
ocean cosmos
the only shield i can tolerate is zeus
drowsy plover
Chaos is good only if maxed
old escarp
Me being sad because I can't beat [Redacted] with ||heat|| on
Certain ||pacts|| make the game a lot harder than others, I would avoid starting with any that would have a direct effect on the end boss fight
loud lynx
Also, any tips on which keepsakes to wear first then switch to what next?
ruby mural
i would recommend starting with on the ||time heat||
forest egret
how many death defiance do you have?
loud lynx
2
drowsy plover
I chose the one where they ignore the first hit 
polar smelt
I chose the one where they ignore the first hit <:shadesmile:520447982727069737>
oh my god why, I avoid that like the plague
ruby mural
time is way easier
rich cave
Also, any tips on which keepsakes to wear first then switch to what next?
The general strat is doing god->god->acorn->acorn
forest egret
what I did is I ran a gods keepsake in tartarus and tooth in asphodel until I had enough to get the second DD but now I never pick tooth and choose a second gods keepsake
ruby mural
so my strat is different
drowsy plover
Because I like giving myself a hard time
ocean cosmos
i'm god->god->god->acorn
loud lynx
I see
ruby mural
i do plume -> plume -> plume -> plume
ocean cosmos
or plume all the way
drowsy plover
god god acorn tooth if I have less than 3 dds
ruby mural
all day every day
polar smelt
I play far too chaotic in elysium's fight, I do acorn at elysium
rich cave
It’s really up to you, just go for whatever keepsakes you want to use
forest egret
plume is my go-to whenever I use a melee weapon to go zoomies in tartarus
loud lynx
so for Shield, Chaos > Zeus?
polar smelt
everything is personal preference
but yes
humble jewel
Depends on your preference
ocean cosmos
zeus >>>>>> other shield
rich cave
There is no “best” aspect for shield, if I were you I’d get the first level for both and try them out
polar smelt
you can also "give up" your run and it'll reset you to when you entered your weapons room, meaning you can "trial" the aspects
drowsy plover
I like Zeus because it messes with them butterfly balls eeeee
rich cave
But like @drowsy plover said, chaos shield isn’t very good at level 1 so if you want a better aspect at a lower level I’d go Zeus
ocean cosmos
or you know
ruby mural
once you have enough to max out chaos i would say its better
rich cave
It’s a good beginner weapon because it blocks but it doesn’t have very good dps or speed
ruby mural
once you get high in the ||heat|| using shield doesnt really work anymore tbh
rich cave
True
polar smelt
I'm prob gonna give chaos shield a break after I break ||16 heat||, seems like a good milestone to start learning other weapons
rich cave
I got to like 15 with shield before moving on to other weapons
ruby mural
like i can beat ||high heat|| with shield but its just not fun
polar smelt
i'm at ||14 atm|| gonna keep going up for the ||statue||
ruby mural
im going to try out ||32 heat|| once i get to my dad
i did beat ||16 heat|| with fists pretty fast
rich cave
I’m on ||15 heat|| with fists rn, I’m just gonna go up one level at a time until ||20||
ruby mural
if i remember correctly my time on ||16 heat|| was 12 min
rich cave
Nice
polar smelt
speaking of, what's the trigger to face ||2 or 3 of the furies? or is it random, sometimes they come as 3, sometimes as 2||
rich cave
Rng
polar smelt
fair
ruby mural
its just random
rich cave
I think the first time you do ||em|| it’s always ||3|| but apart from that it’s random
polar smelt
my first ||em|| was brutal, I lost 2 DDs
rich cave
F
rich cave
Same
ruby mural
if i do its only 1 against ||hades||
rich cave
Almost every run I have all 3 left at the end
polar smelt
lvl 6 deadly flourish 2nd room into aspho.. time to deal some damage
ruby mural
same
polar smelt
y'all are good, that's why
rich cave
Honestly might swap it for sd
ruby mural
just average
rich cave
That might be a better idea since I rarely lose a dd anyways
ruby mural
true
drowsy plover
I still lose DDs in Elysium 
cursive prism
I dont think I've ever used stubborn defiance yet
rich cave
It’s mostly used by new players or players doing ||high heat||
cursive prism
Yeah when you get really high up there I get perhaps wanting to swap to it
polar smelt
I swear the single most beautiful room in the world just appeared for me, artemis & aphro trial 
cursive prism
3x DD seems tough to pass up though
cursive prism
Artemis is one of the better ones to get, I like her or Athena
since the latter basically just annoys you
drowsy plover
I had Aphrodite and Dionysus
polar smelt
nah but it's the two main gods in my build is the point
rich cave
What would be really hard is Poseidon and ||Demeter||
No matter what you choose you’re taking heavy damage
polar smelt
I have 50h and only seen support fire once
rich cave
I’m starting to think it might be a boon you can only get once you have one of Artemis’s other boons
leaden whale
yes, but requirement is kinda light. A lot a Artemis boon will open support fire
rich cave
What does heart rend do again
leaden whale
bigger crits against weakened ennemies
rich cave
Ah
I just got an idea for a good fists build lol
Weak on attack, crit on special, and heart rend
rich cave
Especially with max talos/demeter aspect that can do some big damage
polar smelt
that feel when you greater call as asterius turns immune
rich cave
Lmao
fluid yoke
damb
rich cave
I always wait to do it until after he’s done with that if he’s anywhere near half
With ||than companion|| if I’m lucky enough to catch both of them they both get taken down to half hp instantly
fluid yoke
yeah
i had a good || skelyl companiona gainst them last run ||
got them ina corner
although i wasnt paying attention and got hit like multiple times when it wore off
rich cave
he do more?
He does 1000 more than meg
polar smelt
kinda pog
another chiron run down... still dont love it
even with what i assume to be a strong build
fluid yoke
|| charon?||
sleek axle
Charon whoops
sleek axle
Oh whoops 
full swan
How should I go about dealing with || forced overtime 1 ||? I tried a fist run and got absolutely smashed in Elysium
fluid yoke
uh
oh right
i think ranged weapons
i did a rail run
against it
and wasnt too much of a difference
someone recommended me not to do fists and i can see why tbh
full swan
Fists are so good though, but I lack defence
sleek axle
Fists with fo would be not very good
Especially the flame wheels
Those things still give me ptsd
full swan
I'm trying to farm diamonds just doing || heat || runs with all weapons
harsh wedge
devine dash is bae
full swan
I always start with divine dash 😅
harsh wedge
divine*
rich cave
Fists with fo would be not very good
Fists with fo is easy af
harsh wedge
honestly
harsh wedge
flamewheels can go die in a hole
sleek axle
I am scared of flame wheels
full swan
It’s practically a free ||3 heat||
It was a || 3 heat || run, but I had a bit of bad luck with boons and deadalus hammers
sleek axle
Whenever I get them with fists I just dash around the place hoping they blow themselves up lol
fluid yoke
yeah
polar smelt
god that reminds me of that vid uhh
fluid yoke
i dont like flame wheels with fistws
polar smelt
sec
full swan
Got any fist tips?
drowsy plover
Ughh 20 flame wheels chasing you
sleek axle
Flame wheels make me want to jump off a cliff
drowsy plover
Them and shield guys
coral hull
flame wheels are great if you're playing shield
they hit through your block via explosion damage and within 2 seconds you're dead
drowsy plover
Trying to lure a shield guy into a trap and he blocks the trap
Don't block flame wheels, just run, run run
coral hull
i like it when i have spear, i can just poke them away and yell 'BACK'
no it's not worth it
leaden whale
okay
drowsy plover
Does anyone here like Heavy Knuckle on fists? Because when I got that I hated it
alpine ridge
hella slow right?
alpine ridge
Horrible on Demeter, it's maybe ok on Talos, definitely not good on Zagreus
drowsy plover
I had Talos and it wasn't fun, especially against final boss
alpine ridge
well, you got it out of the way for the prophecy at least
now you know not to take it
drowsy plover
Yeah but never again. Ugh I thought that run was compromised. Couldn't believe I managed to get a clear but it was very long. More than 50 minutes
drowsy plover
Idk I'm usually pretty slow, my runs take around 40 mins average
That's why I avoid ||tight deadline||
polar smelt
I actually love ||td|| for that reason, it trained me to be a bit more effective
alpine ridge
i get that, i use ||Pierced Butterfly to train myself not to get hit||
polar smelt
that's thana's right?
drowsy plover
lands into a trap in the second room of Tartarus
alpine ridge
i always dash too far lmao
mossy nimbus
is it normal that i die so often + how long does it take to beat he game?
forest egret
dashing too far into traps is the bane of my existence
i do it like every run atleast once
or i dash straight in the line of fire to a pressure plate after stepping on it smh
fluid yoke
it is normal you die often
and it takes different times for everyone to beat the game
drowsy plover
Idk man I'm still dying after 75 runs and clearing the main story lol
Just keep trying
mossy nimbus
thank you ^^
forest egret
does anyone else realize that they are just constantly spamming dash? My thumb is like jack hammering the space bar constantly
fluid yoke
i spam a
forest egret
I specifically avoid picking the hermes boon that gives an extra dash because then I always dash into lava in asphodel lmao
alpine ridge
i think that's my most picked boon at this point haha
the i-frames are just too good to pass up
forest egret
I will typically pick the one that gives more movement speed after a dash so im not losing too much because im not used to another dash
definitely something that I will eventually learn how to use properly but for a new player like me it throws my runs off really hard
leaden whale
dashes become more valuable the further you go
having 3+ dashes for the final boss makes the fight a whole lot more manageable
quartz condor
I will typically pick the one that gives more movement speed after a dash so im ...
i recommend the athena dash which reflects during dash for newer players
terse onyx
I’m really impressed that people can play this with M+K tbh. Controller all the way, just for mashing the dash button!
rich cave
5 dashes 
Controller definitely seems a lot better for this type of game
Especially since the controls are so simple
The main selling point for KBM is the fact that the mouse is far more accurate than control sticks and you don’t even use it in combat in Hades
leaden whale
i'm on m+k and so far so good
I use my right click as the dash button, so it's fine to control it
rich cave
It’s not bad by any means but playing on KBM would be like like playing with a D-pad on controller
forest egret
so heres my opinion on keyboard and mouse, I love it because im used to it. If I was playing this game 4 years ago when I played console a ton I would totally be using controller but I have put over 24 days worth of gameplay into league since march so Im really really used to keyboard and mouse and it was the natural choice becaues I play the game on pc and forgot that my switch pro controller can wire into my computer also lol
I like it because im really good at aiming also
stray terrace
kbm is good for games that require accuracy with a mouse like minecraft or something
drowsy plover
So is there a better control for dash instead of space?
median arch
I had to map special attack to right click
forest egret
I use default controls and it works fine for me. I dash and attack so much that I don't want to put both on my mouse
odd phoenix
i use my controller when im playing like a hack n slash
hollow fog
So ive cleared a few times, but i cant for the god of me figure out where to spend titan blood lol
hollow fog
No, how i actually use them, like where >\
forest egret
where you go to select the weapon click the select button twice
it should say "reveal" or something like that
click once to select the weapon
the second time to reveal
hollow fog
Are there any prerequesites?
tender roost
No, how i actually use them, like where >\
if you have your weapons go to them, equip them then click "reveal"
tender roost
Are there any prerequesites?
for hidden ones I think
forest egret
Are there any prerequesites?
im not sure, i only realized I could do it until I had cleared the first boss with every weapon in the game
hollow fog
Havent unlocked the gun or whatever it is, but i can only equip my sword
No second button
tender roost
then you gotta wait
ruby mural
you need to unlock all weapons before you can use titan blood
hollow fog
ahh
tender roost
and maybe buy that last one
ruby mural
and then do a run
and after that you should be able to
if that dont work you probably need the dialogue from achillies and skelly talking about titan blood
hollow fog
brb 30 minutes then!
sand locust
first clear with shield and it was sub 30 somehow lol
my two rail clears were like 32+
polar smelt
just did a 17 whilst learning fists
sand locust
its ironic i got into hades cuz i watched people speedrun it
ruby mural
nice
sand locust
and i am nowhere freakin close
ruby mural
fists are fast to clear with
polar smelt
and i am nowhere freakin close
mood, we're all still learning
i got whooped in final fight, survived by 15hp lol, too much damage concentration not enough surviving
ruby mural
i dont know why people are scared of the flame wheels in elysium
sand locust
yea i can clear with most weapons to styx preatty easily but i just get whooped my redacted
ruby mural
i just run at them at kill them without taking dmg ;)
sand locust
idk i just suck so bad at the final fight
polar smelt
distance... fists...
sand locust
distance... blade ...
ruby mural
i dont keep my distance with fists i just run at him
and kill him
most of the time i clear redacted in about 1 min or less sometimes
sand locust
it takes me forever for ||his first form||
ruby mural
yeah
sand locust
it takes me like 4 i think lol
ruby mural
||i would say about 1.5 min for first phase and 45 sec to a min for second||
if you do enough dmg fast enough you can get redacted down so quick
focusing on backstabbing kills him fast
if you get ||crystal beam|| from ||demeter|| as your cast you can use that one to melt redacted as well
ruby mural
you can deflect the ||boiling blood|| if you get athena dash
sand locust
oh is ||crystal beam|| good? i usually always take dionysus fog
yea i always get athena dash and still get hit sometimes lols
ruby mural
depending on who i get first
if you get ||crystal beam|| with ||demeter/ artemis|| duo
you melt redacted
shrewd edge
my friend made it to elysium on his third run and i just feel really stupid
leaden whale
they move really fast
sand locust
||i scewed up guan yu by invensting into zag aspect...sigh||
leaden whale
@shrewd edge I started a new game and got to elysium on my first run
you eventually learn the game
my first time thru, think it took 15 tries
there are a ton of blood, don't worry... that said, zag spear is one of the worst zag aspects
tranquil bronze
I almost beat the last boss today but no he need to beat me - _-
leaden whale
@sand locust
tranquil bronze
By the way how do you guys make this spoiler warnings?
leaden whale
hit the shift button on the \ key
sand locust
do || on either side of ur msg @tranquil bronze
molten siren
By the way how do you guys make this spoiler warnings?
you can mark the passage and he shows you a little Eye icon
tranquil bronze
||You mean like this||?
Oh cool thanks ^^
I may have a stupid question about the boss fight in elysium || if the one guy runs after me what is the best way to escape from it if I don't have High movement speed it's so Damm hard to escape from him I know I need him to run against a piller but it works so rare that I just try to escape ||
tranquil bronze
OK I try next time thanks
raw locust
Question for those that play on pc with mnk, does AA on or off change anything?
quick thorn
I was in elysium and I wasn’t being defensive cause I thought I had another death defiance
I didn’t
So I died
sand locust
what happens after i form a bond?
fluid yoke
you get
a nice cute drawing
on your keepsake
and the knowledge you have forged a bond
floral nacelle
And cute little message in your keepsake case
fluid yoke
its worth it
sand locust
all that for meg and i get a little sticker back
fluid yoke
also you get an achievement for forging a bond ofr the firset time
well you got her || companion || right
you can level that with ambrosia
sand locust
yea i did
drowsy plover
Yep. Charon's keepsake says that we share ||"an unspoken bond"||
fluid yoke
yueah
makes your keepsake case look nice if you have everything
so i would recommend it
sand locust
all those gifts and meg still wont love me :((((
floral nacelle
Cheapskate Charon doesn’t give discounts even to his closest friends
fluid yoke
is meg at max hearts
|| because if she is don't worry there is a romance plotline still ||
fluid yoke
just gotta wait
sand locust
oh i thought the sticker was it
fluid yoke
no
sand locust
ah okty
sand locust
o h i see
raw locust
Someone mentioned boons earlier, what are they?
raw locust
Oh
shrewd edge
is it me or is the spear kinda garbage
fluid yoke
no
drowsy plover
No. I mean the special feels a bit clunky but otherwise it's a pretty nice weapon
shrewd edge
I don't like the aspects either
fluid yoke
yeah i need to try out || guan yu, but only when i actually have titan blood to unlock it and upgrade it so it isnt straight trash ||
shrewd edge
Achilles seems like the best one, but even that one I'm not that fond of
fluid yoke
my fave is hades
but big fan of achilles and zagreus
i think hades and achilles both benefit very well from upgrades
fluid yoke
like theres ones that don't have much benefit to upgrading in the long run but the damage boosts from hades and achilles upgrades are big imo
raw locust
Are boons one time uses?
fluid yoke
no
theyre
for the run
you get it andunless you purge it
its effects last for the whole run
depending on waht the boon is its effects throughout the may vary but
point is
you get it for the run
and when the run is over you lose it
sleek pond
The spear is one of the better weapons imo. You have enough range to keep you safe, it's fast for applying stacked effects, and you'll usually use both the special and the regular attack to apply privilaged status
Plus the dash is nice and wide
crimson narwhal
I really like the spear, tbh, I’m not much a fan of the bow on the other hand
I don’t know if I’m just not using it correctly but idk it’s not something I’m good at
atomic drift
near mirage
||if i use hermes keepsake, but i switch it after a boss, will i keep the buffs||
near mirage
better safe than sorry 
sleek pond
@near mirage All the keepsakes that stack clear conditions lose their effects when you switch them out
shrewd edge
I really like the spear, tbh, I’m not much a fan of the bow on the other hand
I don't like the bow that much either, but I love hera aspect
crimson narwhal
It’s my worst aspect, but ironically the only one I’ve beaten ||hades|| on as yet
sleek pond
The bow always seems to need a good cast and a hammer or two to make it work well
raw locust
What does the gift option do?
fluid yoke
give someone nectar to increase your relationship with them
for many things
first nectar you gift to someone will get you a keepsake
crimson narwhal
I need the hammer flurry shot for the bow to be worth using tbh
sly vigil
I need the hammer flurry shot for the bow to be worth using tbh
Just dash strike more often mate :D Flurry is nice but bow can hold its own :D
raw locust
When looking at your boons, I assume clicking on them doesn’t do anything!
sly vigil
Correct
crimson narwhal
Just dash strike more often mate :D Flurry is nice but bow can hold its own :D
I had never considered using the dash strike lol, I guess I conflated now with staying still. Thanks
sly vigil
It's so that you can read the description, as well as some "vanity" screenshot at the end. Clicking on them doesn't have any game play effects.
sly vigil
I had never considered using the dash strike lol, I guess I conflated now with s...
Dash striking allows you to charge your power shot faster so yeah :D
knotty grail
So, ||Charon's Obol||. Is there showing randomly on all Shop? any specific shops? Specific bio-masses? I never seen it spawn.
sly vigil
Do you mean the ones you can ||borrow||?
knotty grail
For ||Charon Fight||, yea.
sly vigil
They have a chance to appear in the middle shop of each of the first 3 biomes.
So basically take every mid-shop
knotty grail
Tried, but no luck so far. Was thinking perhaps there's another mechanism I'm missing here. Will keep trying. Always feels a bit like a waste, because I currently buying nothing and saving the money for the last biomas big price.
sly vigil
Well taking mid-shop is usually good regardless of whether or not you can buy anything because it saves you time.
leaden whale
saving time isn't important for first clear
sly vigil
I guess, but honestly on first clear, safety is also a big thing.
leaden whale
if you don't take that one option that forces you to go fast, I prefer to collect boons over shops I can't afford
sly vigil
Unless you have a specific boon you are looking for over midshop or NPC rooms, most other things won't be worth it.
knotty grail
Why is that? if you don't plan to buy anything - doesn't it means you "miss" the other door option? which can be something useful?
leaden whale
if you can make it to the last boss, you should be able to pass most of the levels easily
knotty grail
So a bit more time to clean the room, but a price?
sly vigil
Why is that? if you don't plan to buy anything - doesn't it means you "miss" the...
Just basic min maxing, really
leaden whale
mid room shops are sweet for late game since the mid shops sometimes allow you a 4th option... hint
sly vigil
One pom or 100 extra obols won't change your run that much.
knotty grail
4th option?
leaden whale
just admit that your playstyle may vary
knotty grail
Well, maybe I should try it. It' snot my first clear. At around pack level 5-6 with all weapons.
leaden whale
i like to save money till final shop, so 100 more obols with golden touch can help
sly vigil
Though if you haven't cleared the first run, then the secret fight can be a tough one.
leaden whale
didn't think secret fight was an option before first clear
sly vigil
I would not advice you to go searching for that specifically.
sly vigil
didn't think secret fight was an option before first clear
well then, even more so if this is true.
knotty grail
Does the difficulty of this secret fight change based on the biomass your found it on?
sly vigil
No, it's the same regardless of where you are.
So facing it in Tartarus is harder than in Elysium, for example.
knotty grail
Yea, because your less buffed. Great, thanks!
sly vigil
Exactly!
But if you face it in later biomes, you get to use the reward less often.
Risk reward, you get it.
leaden whale
I tried a two boon fight, it was rough
crude gull
Cleared today for the first time 🙂 Nemesis Sword Level 3 and some good Boons 🙂
leaden whale
grats, i haven't even unlocked nemesis yet
leaden whale
i'm my 60th clear
leaden whale
who uses zag sword?
fluid yoke
i just did my 37th clear
idk
its consistent if anything
but i dont find it to be too interesting
to play
unless you have some really cool build
raw locust
What do keepsakes do?
raven thorn
I used zag a few times, can't beat final fight with it though
hearty tulip
I have a Zeus gate or a gate with (god of war Vs ||Demeter||. Which do I pick and if it's the god Vs one which god is easier to defeat when your against them
fluid yoke
various things @raw locust
they can
help you get a god to appear
and increase that gods ahcnaces of better boons
they can help with survability
really depends on the keepsake
uh
leaden whale
never piss off ||dem|| or poisidon
leaden whale
everyone else isn't bad
hearty tulip
Thank you
leaden whale
yeah, just have to keep an eye on that stupid heart
fluid yoke
i think athena is probably the one youre least likely to die on
leaden whale
athena is just slower
bronze glacier
Poseidon is easy what lol
fluid yoke
since it only make them impervious ina certain area
so you keep them away
and youre fine
or just wait for it to wear off
yeah thats hearts annoying
leaden whale
maybe I need to try poseidon again, but the random waves used to get me
bronze glacier
I dash constantly so idk I never notice it much lol
leaden whale
artemis and ares seem easy to me
leaden whale
zeus is only annoying because it's random
fluid yoke
its clearly there
bronze glacier
They are; I'm just dumb and dash into their attacks lmao
leaden whale
dio also is pretty easy
light grove
Aphrodite is really annoying with the homing hearts
leaden whale
amazing, the dash master is fine against poisiden but can't dash away from ares and art
bronze glacier
Aphrodite is not someone you wanna make angry holy heck
leaden whale
this game is so rad, so many different play styles
bronze glacier
God her call is incredible oml
fluid yoke
yeah
the first
trial of the gods i did
it was in a witches circle in asphodel
one of the first times i got in
i pissed off like
artemis
and then the witches opened fire
leaden whale
witches circle isn't bad if you understand the fight, but when you first see them, lol it's overwhelming
fluid yoke
so yeah i had a fear of them for a while
bronze glacier
Oh god RIP in peace
fluid yoke
because i thought all of the trial of the gods were that hard
and that you also couldnt get the other boon
because i didnt manage to finish it
leaden whale
I think I butterflied witches circle without athena before
bronze glacier
Aphrodite slapped me to death in my first one so I avoided them for the same reason lmao
fluid yoke
i did a demeter shield run one
once
like a demeter angry shield people trial
it was awful i lost so many dds couldnt deal with it at all
i think i won that run
but still
or maybe i cant remember
fluid yoke
that heart seeking build was not the best against
the shield people
i like his room
bronze glacier
Patroclus is super clutch
fluid yoke
often i dont need a dd replenish these days but maybe i'm just not playing high enough heat but
its a nice room
leaden whale
i'm usually full health full DD when I get to his room with a non attack build
fluid yoke
free healing i usualyl take
and i need his questline
to be completed still
so patrcolus is nice
but i will take other stuff over it if i really need the other stuff
leaden whale
not really new player speak anymore so i'm going to bow
bronze glacier
I'm still new-ish lol
Still haven't quite beat the end boss but anyway
I got super close with the sword of all things last night though
leaden whale
my first clear was with sword
bronze glacier
If it comes back into rotation with bonus darkness I might have to try to get some of the same Boons again because WOW that was a good run
hearty tulip
Is there a way of knowing if you've beaten a boss with a certain weapon yet or not?
fluid yoke
yes
|| the pact of punishment ||
|| you can see what the max level is youve beaten a certain boss on your weapon||
only if you have cleared the game though
and escaped
hearty tulip
Still haven't beaten ||Hades|| so I'll have to wait thank you though anyways
ionic scaffold
I can't give nectar to nyx anymore. When can I start giving her ambrosia? The gift option isn't there atm
floral nacelle
When you complete her favor
ionic scaffold
What's her favor?
leaden whale
you can see on your map inbetween missions @hearty tulip
floral nacelle
||Restore the sigil, which requires 3142 darkness||
tranquil bronze
Which from the gifts is good? I have some but I only use the from Kerberos
leaden whale
give a nectar to everybody to get their keepsakes
one nectar to everybody first
"best" keepsakes are debatable, but the god specific boons to force a build is very strong
ionic scaffold
||Restore the sigil, which requires 3142 darkness||
I don't think I'm at that part? How do I start that quest?
leaden whale
but super early, skelly tooth and cerebus collar and hypnos purse are good for starters who haven't cleared yet
floral nacelle
You have to befriend Chaos too
ionic scaffold
Ok I'll just keep chucking nectar at Chaos
leaden whale
who ever didn't max chaos relationship first aren't playing the game right
Chaos ❤️
i'm joking, but still ❤️
swift igloo
idk where to ask this so if it should be moved just lmk
i havent seen thanatos in like, 5 runs. I did just get mort, does it have something to do with that? that if i summon him, I cant see him in a dungeon? im running games as fast as i can just to see him bc im fully invested in this side story but idk if its a mechanic or bad luck
floral nacelle
no, it's just bad RNG
He even has a special comment if you carry mort when you see him
swift igloo
yeah i had gotten that one!! but that was the last time i saw him
glad to know its rng then, i'd be upset if summoning him means he wont randomly occur
terse onyx
What’s the benefit of maxing Chaos?
I’ve only given 1 nectar to the people I’ve met to get the initial item, not really sure what else to do with more nectar or ambrosia tbh
floral nacelle
Story stuff
raven thorn
I keep capping dionysis' stacks, is there a way to increase that maximum with a boon?
floral nacelle
there is but it's a duo
raven thorn
i'm guessing ares or aphrodite?
floral nacelle
I think ares makes the stacks trigger faster, I think it's aphrodite's
raven thorn
that's good, but it's just unfortunate that the max stacks really holds it back... like maybe if it did damage when it was replaced by a newer stack or something, but even just the dodge maxes stacks right away
does the sea storm boon affect the final boss? since afaik they don't actually get knocked back?
pulsar frigate
bosses still get knocked back, it's just at a reduced effect
raven thorn
ok sweet
rocky crystal
im really having trouble with the hades boss fight what can i do to make my life easier agasints him
hollow ledge
In Temple of Styx, I need to go through all the chambers?
light grove
you only need to go through chambers until ||you get the sack||, but you can keep going for more boons/money for the shop
tardy raptor
I can't find a combination of aspect/boons tha make spear work for me. It's the last weapon to complete the pofecy
prophecy
light grove
is it random?
it's random, but never the first tunnel
orchid void
Are there are other prereqs for getting the duo boons besides having a tier 1 from both gods?
3 runs in a row no seastorm from either of them despite having a tier 1 from each
hollow ledge
it's random, but never the first tunnel
I've been through 3 amd still nothing
hollow ledge
3 easy ones, then there are the ones with the skulls
old escarp
3 runs in a row no seastorm from either of them despite having a tier 1 from eac...
Have you purchased the Codex Index from the contractor yet? That will list all the prereqs
hollow ledge
it's random, but never the first tunnel
just found it in first chamber (first from the left)
orchid void
Have you purchased the Codex Index from the contractor yet? That will list all t...
don't think i've unlocked the codex index
hollow ledge
by first I meant the first one you choose
yup, i kinda found that out after sending the message 😄
sly vigil
lol
old escarp
don't think i've unlocked the codex index
Ah, ok. Eventually it will show up for purchase. In the meantime, if you're looking for Sea Storm keep in mind that Poseidon's dash is not one of the valid prerequisites
Other than that, could just be bad luck
orchid void
Ah, ok. Eventually it will show up for purchase. In the meantime, if you're look...
So far i've been doing Poseidon attack and either Zeus dash or Zeus special
And I seem to have gotten that mark all 3 times so far
must just be bad luck
oh well
hollow ledge
ok, I wasn't expecting ||final boss to have a second phase||
brittle root
Yeah my sense of victory just deflated when I first found that out lol
winged oriole
does it say if the fish you catch is a rare one?
hollow ledge
I have a better question: how to fish
hollow ledge
Yeah my sense of victory just deflated when I first found that out lol
I'm so disappointed at myself rn, but at least I have even more motivation now
brittle root
Oh to fish you need to obtain