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#h1-for-new-players
sullen lava
alpine ridge
Oh yes definitely not a regular god, he’s mechanically more like a Daedalus Hammer as you only get a few during any given run. However he does count towards Family Favorites unlike Chaos.
modern pike
Congratulations! That first clear feels awesome!
sullen lava
Unfortunately, it seems I didn't have Steam open when I unlocked certain achievements, and so it didn't give them to me
Any way to make the game refresh my achievements?
Oh wait, no I think I just have to upload my local data.
My b
Still missed a few, but I think I can get them
limpid urchin
What's the Titan Blood for?
daring delta
Upgrading stuff. You'll find out
frigid nymph
hey im new to Hades and been kinda struggling to beat the last boss and i dont really know what im doing wrong, and im probably missing out on some information that could help me get better, if anyone is available and would be ok with helping me id really appreciate it 🙂
earnest breach
git good
For real I'm also stuck on him. I'm pretty sure the answer is play much longer.
frigid nymph
im thinking that my playstyle might be the problem since i go for crit nemesis sword
brave solstice
I think my problem with my runs is that I like to go with the spear for most of my legit escape attempts but the Bone Hydra always screws me over when I use spear. I have to get better at Bone Hydra
But good news, I beat Bull of Minos (forgot the damn name again) first try 
And then died right after 
Also is there a certain thing you need to do to unlock Eurydice encounters? I wanna meet her so bad but I never get her. Im assuming you have to complete one run am I wrong?
static anvil
You cannae romance Hypnos gib nectar and chat
half fractal
Oh my...
brave solstice
Zag: Skelly tell me who hired you or I will be nice to you from now on 
Skelly: my weakness
leaden whale
So I finally defeated the Final Boss with the Twin Fists...
earnest breach
It's even funnier cause they share the same voice actor
leaden whale
Its very easy when you have the right Boons with you
And I only had Stubborn Defiance
brave solstice
Yeah definitely
I like to get a lot of extra life in my runs, because Im fairly good at dodging stuff but might get hit by something I dont see every once and a while, so its good to have more life so I can tank more of those mistakes
I also live for Divine Dash and just Athena in general
Deflecting is yummy 
leaden whale
I have posted my Victory Image in #h1-victory-boasting ...
The Athena Artemis Duo Boon is even stronger than Merciful End I think!
half fractal
Punching volleys of projectiles away is supremely epic.
leaden whale
I also live for Divine Dash and just Athena in general
You dont need Divine Dash if you have the Divine Strike on the Twin Fists
errant pebble
So once I upgrade everything in the mirror, are Darkness crystals useful for anything else?
alpine ridge
There's some endgame cosmetic stuff but nothing attached to gameplay
oh and the Wretched Broker sometimes trades in Darkness
subtle granite
theres also a prophecy that needs a bit of darkness - the nyx-chaos one but else just cosmetics
split hull
so i recently started getting into hades and im using the shield like crazy does anyone have any suggestions for what boons i should go for
half fractal
I feel like Dionysus hangover boons and Ares doom boons are good fo shield if you are blocking a lot.
sour kite
I have posted my Victory Image in <#725021639506526249> ...
The Athena Artemis D...
I mean I wouldn't jump to conclusions about builds, gods, boons etc after your first clears
I found my opinions to change a lot over the last 100 runs
split hull
what about if i go for the special still the same boons
half fractal
If you mostly use the shield toss just about anything works there, maybe Zeus lightning flourish to hit multiple foes. I'm assuming you are running basic shield with no aspect.
split hull
yea im gonna be honest i dont even know what aspect is lol
half fractal
Okay. You'll find out.
split hull
is it really late game
half fractal
No not at all.
split hull
ohh ok gotcha well im still stuck on the dang minotaur
half fractal
If you use the shield to block most of his attacks then bull rush through, should be a bit easier. Biggest thing with him is knowing when to strike. Which I guess you get with experience.
split hull
yea i mean ive come really close a couple times i can clear the first floors really easily then i get to him and i die
half fractal
Have you used cthonic keys on the mirror? Those upgrades help a lot as well.
split hull
no i havent yet i got all the weapons first to try them out
i need 1 more key to unlock the next set of upgrades though
half fractal
Doing pretty good to make it to Asterius with just the starter upgrades!
split hull
yea i think ive been doing pretty good so far im sure those upgrades will help out a lot!
and how many hours do you have on this game just curious
half fractal
70ish. I only started playing when it officially launched.
split hull
gotcha gotcha well still more then my 4 hours lol
half fractal
I got hooked pretty hard with this game.
tardy sundial
It does not give you the blood of the titan even if you break the boss.
split hull
yea im hooked so far
analog radish
what is a EM
austere nest
Do I need to buy all weapons to unlock the ability to upgrade with titan blood?
subtle granite
what is a EM
EM is"Extreme Measures" in the pact of punishment
austere nest
Ok
lime needle
for what i know you dont have to
austere nest
I kinda wanted to save keys for the mirror so...
thanks for saving me time and keys 
austere nest
the 30 keys upgrade?
lime needle
nope
lime needle
it will only give you more chances to get an epic blessing and something to change the reward on room
better have the weapons first
austere nest
I'm missing the gun
lime needle
mmmmmmh
austere nest
so idk if it's worth it
split hull
i personally dont like the gun at all i prefer the shield
austere nest
already cleared with sword and almost cleared with shield
so I don't really know if it's worth it to spend 8 keys on the gun
split hull
i couldnt get into the gun
winter dagger
so after the encouragement i got yesterday, i made it to styx! after a mere 2 more (hopeless) attempts i made it through 2 paths in total :D
Achilles spear is pretty fun
austere nest
also any tip about forcing shields mobs to actually take damage from explosive traps instead of just denying it with a "blocked"?
half fractal
I guess make sure they are between you and the trap? Because they should most always be facing you.
winter dagger
just got the 2nd death defiance! :D
split hull
do you have to beat the game in order to use titan blood
leaden whale
you dont have to
winter dagger
no just unlock all weapons
leaden whale
^
subtle granite
so after the encouragement i got yesterday, i made it to styx! after a mere 2 mo...
gg! may the gods be with you and get you more good runs! :D
twilit idol
Just got to Elysium let’s go.
winter dagger
well the very next run i got 5 chariot rooms in a row
2 of those 5 were armored chariots
twilit idol
Rip I hate chariots so much
half fractal
If I have a ranged option I don't mind them, especially bow or spear. But yeah they can be jerks.
twilit idol
That’s how I died once I got to Elysium cause I didn’t know what they were and then 3 of them just blew me up
twilit idol
Oh nice
foggy radish
I swear to god ||the shield guys in elysium|| are gonna be the death of me
twilit idol
||If you gift the skeleton he’ll give you the lucky tooth and that essentially gives you another dd || tells what an npc’s gift item is that could help
winter dagger
im in the cutscene
half fractal
You could spoiler tag that.
pallid tangle
I still don't know how thats a spoiler lol
pallid tangle
I said that without a spoiler tag once and people freaked out at me. I had no idea its supposed to be a surprise that you fight ||Hades||
pallid tangle
hi
twilit idol
Well it’s fun
karmic mantle
ive been watching vids about builds and stuff
twilit idol
Also spear is best use spear I mean use what you like but spear is the best
I don’t know dps wise I just like spear
karmic mantle
cast can be broken
half fractal
I like it too.
twilit idol
I really never use cast. I know I should but it’s just annoying to use tbh
half fractal
There's a lot of ways to build around a strong cast.
pallid tangle
its literally just a bunch of extra damage why would you not use it at all lol
twilit idol
Yeah I normally just get the exploding spear special with the hammer and just chuck it at everything and max out straight damage buffs on it
half fractal
I actually really like not bothering with casting someimes too. Artemis dash attack on spear with the hammer upgrade that makes dash attack hit 3 times.
twilit idol
I remember I just got the exploding spear and like level 6 Dionysus hangover buffs and it was pretty fun
karmic mantle
nice
pallid tangle
Maybe try getting boons that make cast a different shape
half fractal
If your attack is Poseidon and you are good at pinning enemies against objects. That is fun too.
Play how you like.
outer vortex
or r they gonna add more stuff
There are some minor patches with balance changes from time to time. It's not specified how long the'll keep doing them and no additional content is announced/planned(I hope there is).
pallid tangle
There is one from dionysis that turns it into the rail's special, there is one from a new olympian you don't meet until later on that turns the cast into a crystal that deals 9 damage a second
karmic mantle
ok
pallid tangle
one from aphrodites that turns it into a shorter cast but dealing more damage
twilit idol
There is one from dionysis that turns it into the rail's special, there is one f...
This is asking what the new Olympian ||is it chaos?||
pallid tangle
no
twilit idol
Oh okay
terse tree
||chaos|| isn't really an Olympian if you look at the codex
pallid tangle
^
twilit idol
His buffs can be fun though.
foggy radish
Suffer for profit
pallid tangle
the dash strike chaos boon god damn
that plus the other dash strike boon you get from someone else I don't remember
is great
twilit idol
Just as long as you don’t screw it up and have one of his debuffs on a boss
foggy radish
I go for the damage buffs nearly every time
pallid tangle
in fact. who is it again that gives you the other dash strike attack bonus
I forget
outer vortex
just bonus dmg% is artemis
leaden whale
i like the money increase, and then getting side hustle, you generate so much money in the ||styx tunnels||
foggy radish
Besides half the time chaos shows up in the first or second room so you get the buff before the place starts to heat up
pallid tangle
I've never once bought a heart/diamond at the last area and don't think I ever will
twilit idol
Do you ever fight the other fury’s or just Meg?
leaden whale
i bought a diamond once cause i got an epic side hustle and basically was rolling in cash
twilit idol
Actually don’t answer
foggy radish
||Bro why couldn't it just be Meg I finally got good at that fight||
pallid tangle
ah nice
twilit idol
I’ll find out myself
pallid tangle
lol hstorm just answered looks like
twilit idol
Nah it’s cool
twilit idol
Yeah I didn’t see it no worries
foggy radish
Ok good
foggy radish
Going for stubborn defiance until I can get through the first two floors without sucking at video games
leaden whale
what's the difference between them?
pallid tangle
athena/zeus/dionysis are def the 3 most common for me
foggy radish
Stubborn defiance triggers for less hp and once per chamber
twilit idol
I never take Aphrodite because I’m worried my mom will see and get mad lmao
pallid tangle
Yeah I used stubborn defiance a lot when just starting too
leaden whale
mine gotta be dio/aphro/demeter
foggy radish
Death defiance triggers for more hp and once or twice whenever
pallid tangle
and its not you sucking at video games hstorm, the whole point is with more mirror upgrades and better boons will make you better
foggy radish
Is fair
leaden whale
does it stack with lucky tooth?
foggy radish
It does
twilit idol
Lucky tooth will give you an extra dd basically
leaden whale
so it regenerates lucky tooth?
foggy radish
Stubborn/death defiance will always trigger first tho
But lucky tooth is still there
pallid tangle
I used to struggle with meg a lot at first. Now 12 runs later I beat her within what feels like 30 seconds.
just cuz the mirror upgrades and weapon aspect things give me more damage
foggy radish
||beat the elysium midboss ez because I got good at enter the gungeon||
pallid tangle
Which midboss?
leaden whale
yea with meg it's good to have things like ares cast, ||demeter|| cast, dios dash, just things that like do passive damage while you evade here stuff
analog radish
pallid tangle
spoiler tag that one gods name @leaden whale
leaden whale
did it mb
foggy radish
I was wondering if I'd ever see ||demeter, seeing as she's zag's grandmother ||
sly vigil
do you want to know?
foggy radish
I already know
sly vigil
oh ok
foggy radish
The final boss got spoiled for me but honestly it's kind of obvious
leaden whale
you know what's the best cheese strat, going shield, getting bullrush that deals 500% dmg and getting faster charge, you do so much damage, and if you can get artemis attack boon for crits, you can do 800-950 damage
feels disgusting
foggy radish
Gonna try to make a mod where sometimes a boon will be intercepted by hades, and make it a "bane of hades" if you want to suffer
Sounds like fun
pallid tangle
if you have the shield aspect that lets you throw an extra shield with bull rush that could be great @leaden whale
pallid tangle
also ofc get all the bull rush daedlus things you can get
@analog radish you gotta spoiler tag the bosses' name here guy
harsh leaf
has anyone beaten hades with max heat
No
analog radish
<@!561231479443685409> you gotta spoiler tag the bosses' name here guy
dud i ment the game
analog radish
the game is called hades
foggy radish
<@!561231479443685409> you gotta spoiler tag the bosses' name here guy
It's the name of the game too which makes it awk
analog radish
u just sooiled
pallid tangle
I thought you did
leaden whale
if you have the shield aspect that lets you throw an extra shield with bull rus...
i do and i maxed it out, i do like 90 damage if i hit all my shields on a target, but i like going doom with my special because nothing gives it unf more then ares doom
Good ranged damage when dealing with those flying crystals that float above holes and i can't reach them
analog radish
twilit idol
Geez how that’s insane
leaden whale
wait what's that duo boon?
leaden whale
looks like zues and poseiden
leaden whale
yeah probably sea storm
analog radish
but its liek in dif language
alpine ridge
Poseidon really wrecks in the Temple tunnels
all those walls just waiting for things to hit them
foggy radish
Ok so I've got two options here
-go for whichever weapon has dark thirst atm and use it and try to do well and get more darkness to power up
-use a single weapon and become accustomed to it
Recommendations?
alpine ridge
and like, change your mind if you want later on when you've used every weapon
see what fits best
but generally, for endgame stuff, being familiar with every weapon is important
golden hare
does bosses get stronger at higher heat even if i dont add any damage increase or whatever specific conditions?
dense laurel
depends in which condition u add
golden hare
i dont have any condition that affects last boss, but it feels like his attacks are faster and takes longer to take down
idk if its me or what, but i used to dodge his attacks effortlessly, but i been getting hit by everything today
dense laurel
thats a spoiler plz tag the final boss name
if u have forced overtime, that happens
golden hare
i have extreme measures 2, jury 1, damage control 1
static anvil
Are you sure your build isn't weaker this run?
floral nacelle
not under any chaos curses or anything?
golden hare
curses cleared, i only take curses in area 1. it wasnt my best builds but the last 2 fights had at least above average dot+doom builds when comparing to my other clears
jaunty maple
are you used to having Athena dash? cuz it has more iframes when you dash-strike, so you basically needt o learn two games
golden hare
maybe, does other dashes give more iframes as well?
jaunty maple
nope, dashes all have the same iframes but Athena lets them last through the dash-strike
usually they last until you hit attack
golden hare
then prob that's it, i take her dash from time to time but i always forget about it
ty
leaden whale
oh so that's why I'm getting hit when I dash attack without divine dash
viral pecan
hey does anyone know if the rail aspect of eris synergizes with curse of pain? (special inflicts doom)
so I mean, is the doom damage increased if I stand in the blast? because its bascially applied at the same time when I receive the aspect of eris buff ... but the damage comes just a bit later ...
heady comet
the buff lasts for 8 secs
however, the best boons for special usually are artemis or aphro
viral pecan
yes and doom triggers before those are over, that's obvious I guess... but I wasn't sure if the time at which doom is inflicted is the important one or the time at which doom actually triggers if that makes sense
heady comet
the first i think
viral pecan
hmm aphro sounds really cool maybe I'll try to get that one instead
subtle granite
so I mean, is the doom damage increased if I stand in the blast? because its bas...
it is increased o.o i just tried it and did 180 damage instead of 100 o.o
viral pecan
good to know thx
viral pecan
now I think I'll in fact pick ares for this run...
heady comet
as general advice for eris u should be trying to keep buff on u at all times
viral pecan
I'm actually still staring at the Ares selection screen 😄 just wanted to read up a bit before I go on
heady comet
and go zeus attack
viral pecan
and go zeus attack
nice I thought so! thats actually what I picked as my first boon
violet igloo
hello guys ❤️
subtle granite
zeus attack on eris is beautiful
viral pecan
the second is now gonna be curse of pain
violet igloo
I read somewhere I should give one nectar to everyone, I didnt found everybody yet, I got 10 nectar, should I give to someone?
floral nacelle
Yes, give at least one to everyone you meet
heady comet
then max meg
violet igloo
meg, the ex boss demon?
heady comet
yah
floral nacelle
There are some characters you won't meet until you've finished the story or improved enough to make it to farther biomes
frigid goblet
I read somewhere I should give one nectar to everyone, I didnt found everybody y...
give your first one to Skelly 😉
subtle granite
give your first one to Skelly 😉
the first always belongs to cerberus how dare you :O
violet igloo
I use skelly tooth as an extra life is kind of handy, but I'm a bit stuck now
floral nacelle
Cerberus is a very good boi
subtle granite
best boi
heady comet
skelly tooth kinda a trap collar/acorn is better
violet igloo
So far I only tried to increase my attack, so now i'm trying to increase my knowledge with cast/ special boons
floral nacelle
If you still have 3 DDs left, collar is strictly better in terms in HP
frigid goblet
the first always belongs to cerberus how dare you :O
I actually gave my first one to Cerberus too 😄
heady comet
also make sure to pet cerberus 20 times its very important
subtle granite
skelly tooth is good for beginners, we talked about this recently already 😂
violet igloo
he is gone for me
lyric quiver
Pet Dusa option when 
violet igloo
my doggo is gone 😦
frigid goblet
skelly tooth helped me a lot as a new player, and you can switch away from it after it gets used up
heady comet
then u might as well go stubborn defiance
lyric quiver
my doggo is gone 😦
You killed him 😔
violet igloo
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
subtle granite
stubborn defiance sucks for new players for the final boss tho
violet igloo
Ahh, maybe he is waiting for me at hades gate?
frigid goblet
Cerberus comes back, he's got wayward souls to eat 😄
floral nacelle
they need to make it to the boss first
heady comet
if you're already losing multiple DD before the final boss enough to swap away from skelly tooth, u might as well use SD
subtle granite
NOOOOOOOOOOOO
dont worry he is just guarding teh entrance (and maybe trying to guilt somebody to give him some treats)
floral nacelle
I think stubborn defiance got revealed to me late enough that DD was better for me
violet igloo
I attempted to do hades 3 times, but I always lost at 50%
heady comet
haha ur in for a surprise
floral nacelle
The trick is to do both halves in the same fight
subtle granite
if you're already losing multiple DD before the final boss enough to swap away f...
as beginner i used to loose all my DDs with the final boss.
then again as beginner you often have under 200 health in the end, so getting a 100health restart is a godsend
frigid goblet
if you're already losing multiple DD before the final boss enough to swap away f...
i said "as a new player" so, for context, i had one DD, and would swap TO the tooth after losing my 1 DD to extend my run. it was good.
heady comet
hm good point
violet igloo
So, dear lads, what you advise me to do to increase my chances to get deeper in the dungeon ?
heady comet
learn the game
subtle granite
whats your best weapon?
frigid goblet
I've since not equipped the tooth -- I definitely don't recommend it as a long-term trinket after you have more Mirror upgrades. 🙂
violet igloo
do I have a best weapon ?
subtle granite
^ that!!
floral nacelle
have you unlocked all the weapons yet?
subtle granite
well which weapon do you feel most comfortable with?
floral nacelle
I think shield is beginner friendly, it allows you to block
violet igloo
got 6 weapons so far
leaden whale
Shoot for a proper build if you aren't doing that already
subtle granite
shield is a beginner trap tho, you might feel too safe and forget to be fast to not allow them to hit you
shield is really good once you understand it, but dont feel too safe with it
violet igloo
Well, thats the hard part.
frigid goblet
So, dear lads, what you advise me to do to increase my chances to get deeper in ...
Honestly, just keep playing. Mirror upgrades. Take your time in each chamber -- learn how to dash-avoid attacks and hit them in the back. Focus on trying to not get hit -- treat it as a mini game.
heady comet
ranged weapons are good
violet igloo
I played the heavy gun once and I kind of liked it, the grenade attack was nice
fluid stirrup
honestly, biggest thing for me gameplay wise was dash attacking
especially with sword
heady comet
bow is good
subtle granite
with spear dash attacks can be amazing too
heady comet
chiron bow especially for beginners
subtle granite
chiron bow especially for beginners
beginners? how you get chiron bow as a beginner?
heady comet
well id assume u unlock aspects b4 ur first clear?
violet igloo
Is there a site which features builds? Or I don't know, easy to understand builds ? 😛
subtle granite
dont you have to beat the final boss before you get to play with aspects?
frigid goblet
(@subtle granite i think he meant for Madliv's stage of having 6 weapons unlocked and trying to get further)
no
heady comet
"Aspects become available one run after the Rail has been unlocked and the player has collected at least one Titan Blood."
violet igloo
I unlocked aspects too!
frigid goblet
^^
subtle granite
huh then i have to replay from the start
violet igloo
thanks
subtle granite
i dont remember when you get to unlock aspects
violet igloo
but is any build that performs well with no aspects?
subtle granite
oh thats why it took me so long, i hated the rail and just reused the keys for the mirror
frigid goblet
@violet igloo i agree that Chiron bow is good, but make sure you have enough Titan Blood to upgrade it a couple times -- it is actually nearly a downgrade without a few upgrades in it.
I'm on Switch, so its even worse... first stage only has 3 shots -- Switch hasn't gotten the PC balancing patch that gives it 4 shots at base level.
civic needle
Zag sword is gross
heady comet
at low difficulty
subtle granite
all the sword aspects are hella good tbh
heady comet
at high difficulty you just get one shot so rip
civic needle
Why even use zag sword when nemesis is a straight upgrade
civic needle
You're not guaranteed to get cursed slash every run tho
violet igloo
@frigid goblet are there any booms i should loo kfor while using bow?
civic needle
Plus, cursed slash on nemesis is still good, and you do more damage.
frigid goblet
For me, the game didn't click until I unlocked Demeter and tried it with Zag Bow. I have no idea why. I think chill slowdown let me see enemy moves better, i figured out how to dash-dodge behind them and unload special at point blank range to get multiple back-attacks.
civic needle
Or, you could get Hoarding slash on Nemesis and laugh at your criticals
See them fall before you like wheat before the harvester's scythe
harsh leaf
Hoarding slash damage isnt affected by critical, is it?
subtle granite
cursed slash isnt even that good
harsh leaf
Thought it was a flat bonus, like piercing wave
subtle granite
rather take something to do more damage, or train until you get hit less?
civic needle
I've never tested it, but it sure feels powerful when you're sitting on 2k gold lol
heady comet
for a first clear cursed slash is p good
frigid goblet
@violet igloo Get Demeter chill on your bow special attack -- lets you slow down the room to get a handle on dodging better.
Athena dash is a solid Boon choice for most weapons, just because it's a little more forgiving in avoiding damage.
harsh leaf
Cursed slash is fine when you're still not good enough to actually dodge
subtle granite
find it tricky with the final boss, cant get too close to heal
heady comet
or life affirmation and hermes attack
subtle granite
only if you get really lucky with his attacks
malphon with Colossus Knuckle gave me my first win
didnt even lose one DD
civic needle
You can stick close to the final boss and not take damage, just gotta get used to his attack patterns.
I actually think it's one of the best ways to get used to dodging his attacks, other than just not even trying to win the fight and only attempting to dodge
subtle granite
for that you'd need to be able to dodge fast enough
idk, cursed slash ruined the most perfect run for me and i hate it for that lmao
subtle granite
only if you dont dashattack
civic needle
You can dash attack, you just have to keep his moveset in mind and not dash at the wrong time, or save a dash.
subtle granite
i meant dashes dont provide iframes if you dashattack
west heath
y'all, i have gotten pretty good at low heat level escapes, but i have yet to do it even ONCE with the bow.
what am i doing wrong? i've tried different bow aspects, stacking boons appropriately…
harsh leaf
Never attack; always dash-attack
tender magnet
what am i doing wrong? i've tried different bow aspects, stacking boons appropri...
Same, I'm up to 9 heat on the some weapons but I haven't finished the game with bow once
Would love to know what I should do
analog radish
heloreres
analog radish
Same, I'm up to 9 heat on the some weapons but I haven't finished the game with ...
get the aspect with the homing special i for got name
analog radish
and u can get dio and aphro duo boon and get like 7 stacks of poison instortly
tender magnet
get the aspect with the homing special i for got name
Will do
tender magnet
You should always be dash attacking
Thank you for the tips
fluid stirrup
Bow was my worst for a while but figuring out dash attacking has made it one of my favorites
tender magnet
I hope it will click the same way other weapons did
fluid stirrup
Shield on the other hand is my worst lol
tender magnet
I love fists and stygian blade so maybe that's not my playstyle
tender magnet
Block is broken imo, you can turtle through everything if you can time it right
fluid stirrup
Feels so slow shield
tender magnet
First weapon where I didn't proc death defiance on hades
lyric quiver
The bow slander here 
fluid stirrup
I can't dig it
lyric quiver
tender magnet
Dash attack with it too
Dash attack a lot and when needed block
||Chaos aspect|| works very well with that as well
As you can ||do a lot of damage by throwing multiple shields||
pure jewel
damn almost beat the gaem
tender magnet
I want to be shmoving
Feel ya
||Gilgamesh's aspect|| is so incredibly amazing under that point of view
west heath
cool thanks everyone, that's super helpful
shut charm
frigid nymph
does anyone know if the administrative privilages are worth unlocking?
slender kraken
they are
frigid nymph
can you tell me what it does?
subtle granite
It will allow you access to the Administrative chamber which shows all the important stats for every run, every keepsake, every boon etc you got. that and it unlocks nyx' and chaos prophecy and to change some stuff your father dearest did :)
subtle granite
sure thing
hidden acorn
Guys how can i nectar farming
narrow summit
just- play runs ig- there's a boon that gives you one, and i believe keys can be traded in
subtle granite
Fated Authority could help i think
dio can give a nectar boon, get the harder key encounters (cause you can trade keys for nectar and the hard key encounters give 2 keys instead of one) trade....
hidden acorn
5 keys for one nectar seems not worth to effort
subtle granite
you dont need keys for anything after you got all the weapons and mirror aspects
and the probability to get keys is higher than getting nectar
floral nacelle
Yeah, just play runs
hidden acorn
Yes but normal chambers give 1 hard chambers give only 2
floral nacelle
I know I got a lot of nectar eventually because of a contractor upgrade that gives nectar in game a run benefit
hidden acorn
I've played 30 runs already
subtle granite
still if you get the choice for anything else and keys, just get keys if you really need nectar
subtle granite
I know I got a lot of nectar eventually because of a contractor upgrade that giv...
do you mean the random pom?
floral nacelle
Yeah, that one
subtle granite
yeahh
thorny bobcat
you dont need keys for anything after you got all the weapons and mirror aspects
well that isn't exactly true but it's fair to say you don't need them for anything that actually changes gameplay
floral nacelle
One of my earliest upgrades once I got the contractor deluxe desk
subtle granite
anyways there is no other way, maybe fishing...
floral nacelle
Yeah, fishing is good
subtle granite
well that isn't exactly true but it's fair to say you don't need them for anythi...
what else do you need them for but cosmetics after that tho?
hidden acorn
I'm trying to get closer with gods so i really need it
thorny bobcat
what else do you need them for but cosmetics after that tho?
just cosmetics which is why I said "don't need them for anything that actually changes gameplay" lol
subtle granite
oh dang the elysium fishes give loads of nectar
floral nacelle
The cosmetics you can get from the nectar is really pretty though
||im saving up for the woodland theme, which requires 100 nectar||
subtle granite
just cosmetics which is why I said "don't need them for anything that actually c...
ah sorry i thought you meant another thing that i mightve missed cause... well you need everything for cosmetics lol
subtle granite
||im saving up for the woodland theme, which requires 100 nectar||
saaaaaaame
floral nacelle
Halfway there, just need another 50 or so
subtle granite
i keep ||giving bouldy my nectar because i like him .-.||
leaden whale
i... honestly don't even know which one the fan is
subtle granite
the proud red one?
leaden whale
there's a red one?
leaden whale
i have been ignoring him for close to a hundred runs...
subtle granite
:)
leaden whale
i'm so sorry, i'll talk to you next time for sure
i have never even noticed the banner
subtle granite
i hope you havent triggered their first ever interaction accidentally
leaden whale
shows how i zoom out after clearing rooms
thorny bobcat
to be fair I never noticed either until it was pointed out to me
subtle granite
better late than never
thorny bobcat
exactly
harsh leaf
shows how i zoom out after clearing rooms
Well, at least the timer stops after you defeat a boss, so unless you're on some RTA stuff you can run around with no worries.
lean ivy
i recently switched to hades pc from switch and i haven't been able to get guan-yu yet even though i have fully upgraded aspect of hades and aspect of chaos. can anyone help me because achilies is ignoring me
bronze tinsel
I was initially disappointed that you couldn't give nectar to the skeleton
Turns out you can
lean ivy
ok thanks
modern pike
@frigid nymph hello and sorry for pinging you, but on the question about the last boss: I'd say you should think about 2 things - first, try to get consistent playthroughs (basically if you starting learning enemy and boss patterns so the rest of the areas are pretty "easy-normal" for you to beat.) -this means "git gud" but also, don't stress and give yourself time to learn/adapt in general. Make sure to switch weapons a lot to get a feel for different styles.
Second thing, when it comes to easier clears of areas and also the final boss. Given you know more or less how the moves/attacks are - look into building your run as good as possible. To do that you should try to get a certain build for a certain weapon - this had a great impact for me! And you can try to steer that by using keepsakes from the olympians etc. Also, don't max out every kind of attack but instead focus on 2-3 kinds (for example - cast, special, call for some weapons, while attack, dash, dash-strike for others etc etc)
frigid nymph
thanks for the advice
undone halo
how do i get that lady to sing
harsh leaf
Eurydice? She sings randomly when you get to her
Oh, you might mean Orpheus, who is not a lady
Just keep talking to him and giving him nectar
floral nacelle
I love your surprise
undone halo
how much nectar does he take
floral nacelle
Yeah, it's not a genderbent retelling of orpheus & eurydice
undone halo
already gave him 2 and the guy aint singing
floral nacelle
Give some to eurydice too
undone halo
I ONLY PLAY SUPERGIANT GAMES FOR THE SONGS I CANT LIVE LIKE THIS
subtle granite
psst if you want some secret songs talk to dionysos too
and to ensure he sings the most often you gotta gift nyx some bottles too
crude pine
What is the best aspect for the sword?
dense laurel
the hidden one imo
crude pine
thanks
granite bough
What's a good few choices for heat increases in Hades after beating heat 0-1 pretty consistently?
raw coral
subtle granite
tight deadline is also good if you are speedy already
fluid stirrup
I think Poseidon and Nemesis are most meta, hidden is just fun though
harsh leaf
Fourth sword is definitely my favourite
Dunno if "best"
Nemesis and Poseidon are both very powerful regardless, cant really go wrong with any of the non-Zag swords
violet dove
oh yeah hidden is probably my favorite but poseidon can be fun too
whole fractal
who is a good person to give nectar to besides for skelly
violet dove
you must give it all to cerberus
fierce cliff
is it best to keep giving nectar to all the characters once youve already gotten a keepsake from them? like is there gonna be more to unlock if you keep gifting them bottle of nectar?
slow moat
There are specific ones that giving nectar too will be better for you
fierce cliff
oh i see , so you kinda just have to experiment
slow moat
I guess but there are set characters that give you things
I dont want to spoil it for you though
subtle granite
What is the best aspect for the sword?
sword aspects: 1st: fast(est) but normal everything else(SpEEd but basically trash with high heat);
2nd: crit-chance after special(crit damage is nice, not really necessary if you plan on using artemis);
3rd: special does cast damage (good if you have many casts, not so good for regenerating cast?, teaches the benefits of not forgetting to use cast!);
4th: veryyy slow but mighty, dashattack is trash, reduces damage, gives bonus health and casts an aura upon special that slows enemies(very make or break, has huge advantages but the slowness and dashattack...)
fierce cliff
I dont want to spoil it for you though
oh okay thanks haha
crude pine
Thanks for the help!
subtle granite
give at least one nectar to everybody for the keepsakes, then let your heart decide (but cerberus deserves it the most :) )
harsh leaf
who is a good person to give nectar to besides for skelly
Give one to everyone
For the first few, I'd say Cerberus, Achilles, and your favourite Olympian god
slow moat
Cerberus best boy
subtle granite
cerberus best boy
slow moat
violet dove
if you're talking about the coin that's just on whichever file you have selected
subtle granite
for example what for?
i mean you cant but i cant think of a reason why you'd need to?
violet dove
as in what your crit chance currently is. without having to know + add up all sources of it
subtle granite
those kinds of stats arent shown
crit chance is usually always 0 unless you have a specific boon (which you can look at via B) or weapon aspect (also visible via B ingame)
then i'm sorry i didnt read the question correctly, i thought you meant all the stats of your current runs
well since your stats constantly change in hades a "current stats" tab would be hard to supervise
like with nemesis you have a crit chance but only for 3secs, so you could time it right to break the stats so you always show to have crit chances?
every stat ingame is mobile like that tho
so even if you press J, the next second your stats change
no i just dont understand what you need ingame stats in hades for
violet dove
what do stats constantly fluctuate
subtle granite
yeah but they are constantly temporarily changing
so you'd have to always have stats up
pulsar frigate
yes
fresh gate
Having real-time updates to a stat window wouldn't be particularly difficult. Games do this all the time.
pulsar frigate
as long as they aren't in the middle of the screen and such, i'd love to be able to have real time stats up
subtle granite
you'd need to configure which stats of the 30 possible options to show tho
fresh gate
The details depend a bit on how they implement certain things in code, but even still
subtle granite
idk its pretty damn obvious to know thatyour crit chance is 0 if you dont have the boon or artemis to change that
everything you need to know is in B, if you're too lazy to remember your boons you've chosen, thats on you
and you want each of them to be shown in stats?
that would be unsightly
no it isnt
i have been gaming since before 2010
which is why i probably dont need stats to know what i'm doing
violet dove
a lot of games have stat pages
you dont need them but they're nice to be able to see
subtle granite
there would beso insanely much info in hades that you need to form into stats tho
5 ways of damage, 3 can have crits, different boon chances, different stats that are affected by boons
fresh gate
No one is saying they need stats. Being able to see them makes decision making easier and can make certain mechanics or combinations of mechanics easier to understand.
subtle granite
but what kind of stats?
you see everything in the boon list you have
you chose the boons, how do you forget them?
fresh gate
The whole reason you'd want a tallied listing is because there's so many things that can contribute to them.
subtle granite
i'm just confused as to why you need stats for something that is accessable just not in an A to B list
30+50% is easy to add up
go to school if you have issues to do maths?
fresh gate
I've got three sources of crit chance, one affected by rare crop, the other getting hit by a certain keepsake. I could run through all my boons and effects each round after things change, or the game (which already knows the values) can just show it.
violet dove
why would you not want a composite visualization of all of your stats
fresh gate
It's unlikely to be implemented, but it's not something that's just profoundly baseless
subtle granite
because i dont need hem because i already have the stats written out int he boon tab?
violet dove
bruh
subtle granite
how's the boon tab not clear enough?
the stats are all there, just not listed perfectly
violet dove
same theres no point
fresh gate
Obstinancy for obstinancy's sake is unbecoming. How would that feature hurt you? It wouldn't, and other people would welcome it, so why argue about it.
violet dove
if they add it, cool, if not, its not a big deal
subtle granite
as of now there isnt one so be happy with what you have?
and i said i misunderstood that i thoguht you meant the other stats
then you tried lecturing me on how necessary stat tabs are?
fresh gate
No one said they were necessary. Not once.
It was stated they'd be useful if they existed.
subtle granite
apparently they are the norm and need to be there else they dont know what their crit chance is
fresh gate
Literally no one said that.
subtle granite
because the boon tab is there.
literally they did.
which is very necessary after i said twice that i am not new to gaming
sorry but it came off condescendign which is ok but twice? come on
i have played this game for 200+h and see why it isnt necessary here
fresh gate
No one said a stat pane was necessary. "I would like if X existed" and "X is necessary to play the game" are not equivalent statements.
subtle granite
which i tried to explain but apparently isnt ok
sly vigil
I think the devs did say something about this.
It's a conscious decision. They don't want to break down damage stats to encourage experimentation or something along those line.
waxen sapphire
Guys, I'm not gonna tell you to stop talking about this topic but I'd just like to remind everyone involved that we're supposed to be creating a welcoming environment for everyone to participate in, so Please Be Nice™️
fresh gate
That's a perfectly valid design decision, too
subtle granite
yes so why is it not ok to explain why it is good as it is to somebody who wishes things were different
thats it
thats the whole discussion
you wish for a stats tab i want to explain that boons tab is stats tab but different
end of story
your point?
fresh gate
An engine and a frame and a bunch of accessories isn't a car, but one could in theory put them together to make a car
Having individual components is not the same as the aggregate
sly vigil
I see what you mean. But like when I play, I just hit an enemies and look at the damage that pops up.
subtle granite
but its the devs decision to show the stats via boon tab, there could be no boon tab at all
violet dove
true
fresh gate
It's also not necessarily obvious how the pieces combine. What is additive vs multicative, how do diminishing returns play into final calculations, etc
violet dove
lets get rid of the boon tab
subtle granite
but in this variant you have it written down how much hp you have and how much damage you have taken so far? so it istnt the same
sly vigil
Honestly, I think not having stats breakdown is kinda a Roguelite thing (there are exceptions, of course).
Like Isaac, Enter the Gungeon, Darkest Dungeon, etc.
subtle granite
yes
fresh gate
The design decision to not show the aggregates directly doesn't mean that it's not inherently valuable, but that a tradeoff was made for some different value
subtle granite
this is normal,i am probably way too used to this and really see no benefit in a stats tab
sly vigil
Which has end screen stats, but honestly, my friends and I never really peruse that stat screen
We just hit next.
fresh gate
Your not seeing a use for yourself is fine. Telling other people that they don't have a use for it is not.
subtle granite
cause i see the stats looking at the boon tab, i learned teh game as the game is rn and honestly its good that way
sly vigil
Funnily enough, not having UI is also a difficulty gimmick
Isaac literally has curses that hide your UI
subtle granite
it does?
sly vigil
Same with Curse of the Dead Gods
Like I said, exceptions exists. I am providing examples of how UI and not including stats breakdown can be a design element.
The same can be applied to Hades. The devs already stated they didn't want stats breakdown, so it must be a conscious decision.
You can disagree with them, that's your right.
sly vigil
it does?
Not sure if this is for me, but Isaac has Curse of the Blind which hides items, Curse of the Unknown which hides healthbar, Curse of Lost which removes the map HUD.
fresh gate
That's a different question to whether the idea has merit on its own standing, though. It is objective fact that displaying stats can be useful to some people, and the omission of that is a conscious and valid tradeoff on the developers' parts.
That doesn't make the idea unmeritorious, though
subtle granite
stat screen is the beginners way to work rogue-likes/rogue-lites if you ask me, as youo play the game you will just not need it at all and most players dont even look at their boon tab ingame anymore hah guess i am a hades beginner in some way too
i just hope you will let the boon tab work out for you as your stat tab which is less neat and tidy
sly vigil
I mean ngl they could also don't have the resources to do so, or just plain... lazy?
But given SGG, I think it's a choice 😄
fresh gate
That's just another kind of tradeoff.
Features vs. Time/code
Everything is tradeoffs.
subtle granite
Not sure if this is for me, but Isaac has Curse of the Blind which hides items, ...
thanks for the info i didnt know that binding of isaac had such things, never got into it
violet dove
its a perfectly valid design choice to not give players all of the information and encourage experimentation
subtle granite
it says the new %s after leveling up in the boon tab, or what is it that it's lacking?
violet dove
but i would like to see how things work together, additive/multiplicative, etc.
sly vigil
I think you just have different preferences. Though I think you would hate Isaac and many roguelites if you have issues with obscured stats.
sly vigil
Honestly I am used to playing a game and having the wiki open on my phone or 2nd monitor. For basically every game.
subtle granite
they have clear stats pages although i dont remember how much you access of it ingame....
transistor is way different from both of them from what i've seen but i havent played it that much....
fresh gate
All of SGG's games are pretty different in terms of gameplay
sly vigil
Despite completed Transistor twice, I couldn't really say I love it.
subtle granite
but you do get concfrete stats since you have to access everything like programming
it's very weird
sly vigil
It's decent. I like the story. But the combat is meh
fresh gate
Though it's been a long while since I played Bastion and Transistor
eager isle
That was sorta my experience with Bastion
subtle granite
but i really liked it
eager isle
narration, art, and music was really pretty
but the gameplay didn't keep me more than a few hours
subtle granite
same
fresh gate
Hades nailed it in the replayability department
subtle granite
the animatio is also really weird in bastion, i dont know how it felt like as it came out but playing it after hades really made me uncomfortable
eager isle
I am absolutely flabbergasted with the depth Hades has
Every run the more progress I make it feels like new aspects are revealed
subtle granite
the characters too
eager isle
and when I went earlier to view a streamer that's been playing a long time since early access I was floored with how many things there were that he presumably unlocked
Oh yeah, story is actually pre sweet
subtle granite
althought you dont have mjuch choice of interaction with them it feels beautiful to hear their thoughts from time to time
fresh gate
Hades is an excellent example of emergent complexity. No particular mechanic is terribly complicated or difficult, but the way everything meshes together to create myriad different experiences each time is delightful.
subtle granite
Love the characters and the voice acting
ahh same, who's your favorite?
eager isle
Not to talk down on other rogue-likes but I feel like there are only a handfull that have as much diversity in terms of mechanics, story, gameplay, etc as Hades so far
fresh gate
And the story and art and music and everything on top of the gameplay is ace
eager isle
oh yeah the music is so good
I actually started listening to it on spotify on the way to work 😆
aye
I did a really bizarre build the other day with reduced damage and tons of dodge chance
w/ fists
had deflect attack too
was tons of fun
subtle granite
to be fair, other games that focused on story alone had characters that come off as pieces of cardboard compared to frigging BOULDY a ROCK
fresh gate
The soundtrack is so brilliant and I love how metal it is
eager isle
Darren Korb absolutely NAILED it
fresh gate
SGG should sell plushie Bouldies
subtle granite
hearing the songs for the first time was just absolutely earthshaddering
eager isle
why buy plushie bouldy when you can find limitless miniatures by going outside
that's a darn shame gwyndolin
the soundtrack is beautiful
it makes everything feel so epic which really suits a game about greek mythology, which is all about crazy epic feats etc
fresh gate
It's not the same if it's not official SGG Bouldy!
subtle granite
why buy plushie bouldy when you can find limitless miniatures by going outside
just for that alone i will go out tomorrow ad hug a rock
eager isle
can't wait for some yoked body-builder to punch two holes in a boulder and call it a bouldy cosplay
subtle granite
thanks for the reminder that tiny bouldies exist in real life
violet dove
same
eager isle
fair enough
hades really inspired me to wanna run a theros-style dnd game with a similar premise
but I'm already dming another game and don't have time to run two
fresh gate
You owe it to yourself to give the music a listen, even if not in game.
eager isle
^
subtle granite
^
eager isle
my drive to work has never felt more awesome
fresh gate
Though highly recommend in game
eager isle
I'm usually the same way
but Hades is def an exception
like when I play STS or Dicey Dungeons I usually have it muted and play videos too
fresh gate
Darren's work isn't just stereotypical video game music
violet dove
if you buy songs do you have to listen to them at the stand or can you put them on while you run
eager isle
it really does just feel like badass pseudo-metal instrumentals
pseudo-metal sounds like an insult, I don't mean it that way just not sure how to describe the genre
subtle granite
exactly the same, if it werent for eurydice's chamber i wouldnt have left the music on, but the FEELz
fresh gate
There's a few full-on metal tracks in there and it's glorious
eager isle
heh yeah I can't help but think of ornstein and smough everytime I get to asterios and theseus
subtle granite
imagine missing in the blood when you get ||mother dearest|| home....
eager isle
that's less a dig at Hades though and more a testament to how influential and spectacular dark souls is
love that series
subtle granite
metal bro
fresh gate
heh yeah I can't help but think of ornstein and smough everytime I get to asteri...
Ornstein deserves better than being compared to Theseus XD
eager isle
lmao
fresh gate
And Asterius better than being compared to Smough
eager isle
theseus is nice because he's easy to hate
all the characters are spectacular so it's nice there's an enemy that you can actually hate
I even feel for Hades man
subtle granite
love how making fun of theseus has just become second nature
eager isle
theseus is a shonen protagonist stuck in a roguelike game
fresh gate
He was very clearly written for that too be the case. Even the other characters in the game throw shade (pun intended).
subtle granite
it's so easy to hate him but not in a hating GOT cersei way
eager isle
aye
fresh gate
And it's just so good
eager isle
ye he's fun to clown on
but not like an actual hate for the character itself
lmao
also for the first time today I noticed orange shadebro in the arena
I didn't realize he existed until I saw memes about it on the subreddit
and after I beat their fight again on a run today I checked and there he was
fresh gate
Best nameless shade
subtle granite
||i love theseus secret dialogue when having ariadne's yarn|| it's the little tidbits that make this game just so much better than good
stray fiber
||That shade probably has a name, Zagreus never asks||
fresh gate
He drank from the river Lethe and no longer has a name. That's my headcanon and I'm sticking to it.
eager isle
he is simply shadebro
subtle granite
thats a great headcannon which doesnt fit well with greek mythology but i like it nonetheless
SHADEBRO
fresh gate
Broshade
eager isle
cause of death: too much swag
subtle granite
oh yeah, the loud shades in the house of hades are fun too
eager isle
Gushing about the game aside
I've done ~10 runs now I think?
I've gotten to ||Hades|| the last 3 or 4 times and keep dying on the second health bar
just picked up the 3rd and last death defy, hopefully that's enough but I'd feel a little better if I had enough skill to beat him without relying on all my death defies
subtle granite
which keepsake to you usually use when facing ||father dearest||?
eager isle
If I remember to change it I like to put on skelly tooth, otherwise I just have whatever trinket I had on levelling on accident
fresh gate
Big thing is learning the moveset and how to dodge and when the openings are.
fresh gate
Kinda Dark Souls-y
subtle granite
the skill will come, the first few fights will always suck hah
eager isle
his moveset isn't actually too complicated to follow but I end up freaking out and spam dashing
even tho I keep my cool with the other 3 bosses
subtle granite
which call do you prefer?
eager isle
I'm generally not too picky
subtle granite
there are two that make it super easy imo
fresh gate
Athena dash and call make it a lot easier
eager isle
Usually I play fists so something like Zeus call is good, but I'm also fond of Ares or Poseidon
oh yeah I always aim for Athena dash lol
that's what I've had everytime going in
might have to consider grabbing her call too
fresh gate
Poseidon call can also help in sticky situations
subtle granite
^
eager isle
the first 2 runs I got to him I had pretty sick builds
fresh gate
Or can do some chunky damage with other Poseidon boons and a couple poms
eager isle
whoops
the last time though I had the sword and had a not very good build
but I think I know the other bosses so well I could dodge almost all their attacks and fought anyway
my build was unable to do any damage to hades tho
I survived without getting hit much for a while but I did like 0 damage
I think next time, with a good build and my 3rd death defy now I can do it
I just said the 's' word
fresh gate
He's got a lot of health
eager isle
feel like a grade schooler calling it that lol
but I don't wanna get in trouble
ye
I just had sword to farm darkness, did not expect to get as far as I did
I really like using fists or melee in general bc at first I got farther w ranged weps
but its just because I'd stay really far and spam and dodge around
melee weapons have helped me learn enemy and boss patterns super quick
and I feel like I play competently on the first three bosses
subtle granite
but sstill the panic of the final boss huh
eager isle
ye
I did the same thing in DS3 with the Lord of Cinder
even though it's not a hard boss at all once I finally beat it and got it down
just the panic of it being 'the last thing before the end' makes me tense up and make dumb mistakes
subtle granite
hmmm
eager isle
I think with 3 death defies I'll get it next time
and after I beat it once I'll probably be able to beat it w/o relying on that
just the nerves stink
subtle granite
maybe try focussing on your call then for the first clear
fresh gate
I've not played DS3 but Cinder seems to be just the biggest pain because it's got like 10 different movesets to learn XD
eager isle
ye that's basically all there is to it
it's move pool has a big variety but it's much easier to dodge and land hits than with some of the normal game bosses
oh yeah it took me 3 runs before I could beat the elysium bosses
I kept getting nailed by theseus spears
niiiiice
fresh gate
Those spears are the worst
eager isle
makes sense considering their movesets
subtle granite
like artemis call or aphrodites call both at their ultimate get rid of one entire stage, so you could focus on hitting ||father dearest|| and his goons enough to just trigger the call, stay out of range to get rid of the chance of dumb mistakes getting many hits?
eager isle
I don't think ||Hades|| (vanilla, not with upgrades or end game stuff) has that hard of a moveset
it's really just me panicking and getting hit by the aoe slash when I spam dash
you could argue he's easier than the bone hydra and the bone hydra is really not that bad
oh yeah absolutely
and also theseus STEALING THE GOD'S ABILITIES
I felt so betrayed in game lmao
subtle granite
funnily enough many people find bone hydra the hardest
eager isle
like whose side are they on?!
hey fair enough, don't mean to be the guy that goes 'heh, that's EASY' and make people feel bad
I think ammoconda in gungeon trained me well for bone hydra
subtle granite
of course
eager isle
they have a vaguely similar style that's muscle memory for me
subtle granite
bone hydra is a weird boss
eager isle
I think bone hydra is a breaking point when you're new to the game
if you're able to read the screen and process what's going on, easy
if you're still panicking and spamming (like I do w final boss) then you get clobbered
subtle granite
some days its easy others you just want to rather get kicked in the jewels than face him
eager isle
bc that's all bone hydra is
lots of effects but if you are paying attention and acting on them it's pre easy to manage
subtle granite
wasnt bone hydra the final boss when hades started out?
eager isle
I have no clue, only got into the game a few days ago
been binging content for it and playing it a bunch tho
subtle granite
get ready for EM2 then hunney
fresh gate
Hydra whomped me the first time. Just had no idea what was going on.
subtle granite
EM2 hydra is a wonderful wonderfull bane of my existance.
eager isle
^ I think that's the thing that gets people
Once you've figured out what it does it's fairly easy to react and beat
fresh gate
Magma is the worst. I hate Asphodel.
subtle granite
same.
eager isle
it's just getting past the first screen up to that point in the game that's just filled to the brim w stuff
the biggest thing (assuming you're fighting variant hydra) is never letting those skeleton eggs hatch
subtle granite
so glad there isnt an ice hell that like makes you slower if you stand too long on the ice river until you get frostbitten or something like that
eager isle
dodging/deflecting attacks and actually bursting down the hydra and its pop ups isn't so bad
fresh gate
Just do enough damage that the extra spawns don't matter XD
eager isle
that's also viable xD
fresh gate
Watching speedrunnerd just murder bosses in like 10 seconds is astounding
errant pebble
man, I've talked to Chaos a bunch of times, gave him 6 nectars, and now his affection meter has a lock on it. I don't know how to get him to like me more
subtle granite
ikr
eager isle
for me boss difficulty (at vanilla, w/o extra stuff) in terms of movesets are probably Furies, Theseus and Minotaur, ||Hades||, Hydra
subtle granite
have you seen the video of somebody instantly popping the elysium butterfly ball mini boss?
fresh gate
The general lack of cast availability and mirror buffs make casts not super amazing early on
eager isle
furies largely bc there being 3 different ones makes forming muscle memory around their strats a bit more difficult even though they fight somewhat similarly
subtle granite
The general lack of cast availability and mirror buffs make casts not super amaz...
yES
eager isle
oh yeah for sure
fresh gate
Alecto should be banned
eager isle
sometimes I forget about cast entirely in a run unless I get a good enough boon for it
like chain lightning or the GOATed festive fog
subtle granite
Alecto should be banned
YEs
upbeat mason
most of the time casts is just a boiling blood activator
fresh gate
Always pop a cast in at least bosses for the extra damage
eager isle
ye
subtle granite
when going for high heat runs i always beg for tisiphone
eager isle
just pop it into a boss for a bit of extra damage
otherwise I dont think about em
festive fog tho
thats a game changer
its also really funny if you have it in asphodel
fresh gate
Cast centric builds are super fun though
eager isle
bc it messes up enemy movements
if one of those falling rock statues gets in the fog they don't go back up
and you can just burst em down
subtle granite
got extremely good boons in a 30+ heat run and alecto just popped in and took two of my DDs ;-;
eager isle
also embarrassing to admit this
but you know those rooms w double god boons?
I used to always pick Ares first if he was an option bc since he's the God of War I assumed he'd have the hardest challenge
but I picked him second for the first time today...and I think his is one of the easiest to deal with
fresh gate
Infernal soul + Zeus's cast + jolted + storm lightning + Zeus's legendary + exit wounds + Artemis legendary
subtle granite
understandable
upbeat mason
the true hell is ||granny||
eager isle
that is a great build gothos
pure jewel
how do i use shields well?
eager isle
sounds like a lotta fun
subtle granite
the only downside is that zeus cast isnt doing anyhing against ||father dearest||
else it's jsut the best
eager isle
largely with shield I like to upgrade the special a bunch and just use that
upbeat mason
@pure jewel zag shield?
fresh gate
Get enough buffs on there and it wrecks everything
eager isle
then hold X whenever things get rough to block and slam outta there
subtle granite
how do i use shields well?
abuse casts
fresh gate
With shield I like to bull rush in, get a few hits, dash out
upbeat mason
shield plays very differently depending on the aspect
fresh gate
Throw in special if relevant
subtle granite
casts and shields are the best team ever
eager isle
if you get the DAD hammer buff for shield bounces and up special a lot you can do some serious work
dry hatch
Just beat my first play through
eager isle
and then just block and special zoom over
subtle granite
gg!
pure jewel
so extra bounce is good?
eager isle
in my experience it has been
dry hatch
Clear time was 39 mins
upbeat mason
if you unlock the first shield (and upgraded it) you want to spam bullrush-special
eager isle
the DAD hammer that lets your bull rush be a projectile has also served me well
dry hatch
Yeah I was about to buy the chaos
upbeat mason
uh... its not great on fully upgraded chaos shield in my experience
dry hatch
I have the blitz I beat the first play through with
upbeat mason
because you get more downtime waiting for it to return
fresh gate
Extra bounces means you don't have your shield for longer
dry hatch
Yeah true
fresh gate
So no attacks or blocks
eager isle
I like to swap around the weapons a bit but my main rn is Aspect of Zagreus Fists
subtle granite
Charged Shot of the daedalus upgrades are good if you feel like you're too slow with the shield
fresh gate
Gotta be very careful with that
eager isle
I don't have any of the 4th aspects yet tho tbf
pure jewel
and what are some good boons with throwin shields?
subtle granite
chaos and zeus are both equally loved and disliked
pure jewel
aweseom
upbeat mason
if you've upgraded the chaos aspect fully i'd say dio or zeus
pure jewel
i just got extra bounce and zeus
upbeat mason
but if you havent, ares
dry hatch
I only got one point in aspect
eager isle
bosses is special and cast then bullrush when you panic
dry hatch
Of zeus
eager isle
or dash if you've got athena dash
eager isle
btw
upbeat mason
chaos aspect really scales with titan blood
eager isle
to unlock ||aspect of guan yu|| do I just need 5 total different aspect upgrades or do I need at least 1 aspect upgrade in each weapon
fresh gate
Chaos needs to be maxed to be really good
eager isle
I didn't realize how rare titan's blood was before postgame and I spent most of it in my fists
upbeat mason
||dad is a spoiler||
fresh gate
And you've gotta be aggressive and get in close to use the special effectively on single targets
pure jewel
i have problem with dodging second phase attacks
and how do i use that spoiler thing?
eager isle
put two |'s on each side of a message