olympian favour
#h1-for-new-players
drifting ivy
i would leave the reroll
yeh but in the wiki ||Bounties for defeating the first and final bosses for the first time with each weapon at each heat level up to 20 heat (240 Titan Blood)||
|| each heat lvl ||
im sad
XD
i want titan blood man
pine kelp
by leave the reroll you mean dont level it until the rest of the stuff is maxed?
drifting ivy
yep
thorny bobcat
if you use the shop a lot I'd say it's worth it
drifting ivy
its good as a start run
thorny bobcat
I got 80 on it right now and it's useful
drifting ivy
to get an early upgrade
drifting ivy
warped forge
i want titan blood man
@drifting ivy You can buy it in Charon ||Styx Temple shop|| if you have enough strong will to save gold
foggy sparrow
@drifting ivy You can buy it in Charon ||Styx Temple shop|| if you have enough strong will to save gold
If you do, run golden touch
drifting ivy
random gazelle
how much heat gauge does it give when adding to a point for Extreme Measures?
normal arrow
||depends on the level||
random gazelle
now i see
foggy sparrow
||4 for lvl 4||
random gazelle
lets say for example, i have 2 heat gauges that have unclaimed rewards. Do my rewards +4 when I go 6 heat gauge?
normal arrow
no, I don't think so
lavish delta
no you get the lowest rewards
normal arrow
||you only get one reward, and it acts as the reward for clearing the lower heat gauge||
gusty atlas
You always get the rewards for your lowest unclaimed bounty
random gazelle
:(
gusty atlas
so if you run at heat 4, but you haven't claimed heat 2 bounties, you get bounties for heat 2
lavish delta
but it's good practice
gusty atlas
that is a decisiononly you can make
random gazelle
but does it also mark heat 4 as claimed then?
so if you run at heat 4, but you haven't claimed heat 2 bounties, you get bounties for heat 2
@gusty atlas
pastel cipher
||Heat|| is spoilers in this channel, please use spoiler tags ^_^
@gusty atlas @random gazelle
gusty atlas
sorry, the convo was unspoilered when I came in
pastel cipher
@normal arrow
random gazelle
oh, i my bad, I'll keep that in mind
normal arrow
whoops, sorry about that
drifting ivy
jovial stratus
||heyho, new hades player here. I allready killed Hades 3 times but i have a real problem in the last area, when i get poisened. Is there a way to get rid of it except killing everything?||
gusty atlas
a) ||last boss is a spoiler, use tags|| b) there's little wells in the ground that glow, touch them
to clear poison
uncut minnow
yes ^^ there will be 1 or 2 per room
jovial stratus
ah ok ty^^ and sorry for the spoiler ( i mean its the name of the game ^.^ how do i use tags?
gusty atlas
you put || on either side ofd the message.
gusty atlas
try it out
jovial stratus
allready did it
clear jasper
guys is here any way to farm megera reputation for companion faster ? i try start run and die, but she dosnt appeared
gusty atlas
Riens: Have you had her appear the first time?
safe niche
i have 120+ runs still no meg
gusty atlas
after that it's random
clear jasper
yea i have 3 hearth with her
safe niche
wait
hot yoke
Tag ||companion|| pls
gusty atlas
luckily, unlike some of the others, she's not blocked on other things
safe niche
how do u force the first time
gusty atlas
|| she doesn't show up in house of hades until you beat her the first time ||
safe niche
oh
woven crypt
am i supposed to be this bad lmao
gusty atlas
you're probably better than me
safe niche
i thought there was a way to force her to enter ur room and collect her stuff
u get better with practice
woven crypt
i got like 3 levels past meg and i cant get back there LOL
safe niche
and picking the right boons help a lot
clear jasper
i will try more death runs will see if this work
gusty atlas
So, I took a break for a while as suggested by ppl here. Jumped back in a bit yesterday and today. Been trying to understand a bit why the bow is such trouble for me. So there's been this advice I've gotten from here about trying to use dash-attack, and I think that one of the things I'm struggling with is how different dash-attacking w/ the bow is from all the other weapons.
With the sword for e.g., I feel like when I'm relying on dash-attack, I'm either dashing away for defense, or dash-attacking towards the enemy. With the bow, it feels like I'm trying to dash away , or dash-attack away + hold the attack, swivel around and aim back at the enemy I was dashing away from. In trying to do that, it ceases to feel faster than a normal attack, because of the re-aiming if I'm being honest, but the charge on the bow feels really slow overall when there's a room full of enemies, or when there's only a small window to attack in. Second, I feel like, especially in Asphodel, it feels like I'm more likely to get overwhelmed trying to think through that much positioning and dash in the wrong direction and end up in lava or on a trap and die that way. I feel like I have that problem with the bow way more than any other weapon because of trying to deal with dash-attacks, though I've had some trouble overall because of trying to change controllers.
So, I g uess the question is...what am I misunderstanding?
woven crypt
yo i watched some guy beat it in 20 minutes with deflect boon dont tell me i need more boons ๐
safe niche
i feel like normal bow isn't too good
gusty atlas
look at how many boons it took him to get that
@safe niche I have tried with ||hera and chiron too||
gusty atlas
||chiron is the worst for me ||
safe niche
hmm
gusty atlas
wasnn't sure if aspects were spoiled
safe niche
cos u dont need to dash attack with chiron
u gotta get used to ur positioning i think
maybe try to play slower so u dont panic
hot yoke
Chiron is positioning
Hera depends on the casts
4th is very close range and timing based
safe niche
thats wack
hot yoke
Well obvs it's bad then
sour kite
cos u dont need to dash attack with chiron
@safe niche but it's still a good thing to do
gusty atlas
all of them are bad for me
safe niche
dont think u need positioning for chiron
safe niche
its good but not necessary
sour kite
I meaaaaaan. You don't need pristine positioning to beat the game with Chiron
hot yoke
If you're too close, far or at a weird angle the special won't hit properly
sour kite
but fundamentally it is a positioning weapon
hot yoke
F.e. In the mini styx rooms it's very iffy
sour kite
since you can backstab enemies really well with the special
safe niche
u can play it like a melee weapon or a ranged weapon really
sour kite
and output dps very safely
safe niche
only the styx rooms it gets troublesome
hot yoke
If your too close it won't hit all arrows reliably
gusty atlas
because I am struggling with it 100% more than I am w/ the spear or sword, or even fist
safe niche
yea i find that annoying
safe niche
hmm
gusty atlas
I'm trying to ask what I'm not understanding
normal arrow
I really like chiron
gusty atlas
so telling me to just not use it is counterproductive
normal arrow
are you doing attack -> special -> special?
gusty atlas
no?
safe niche
u can special 3 times if enemy doesnt run away
gusty atlas
attack-> special -> dash -> dash -> die
normal arrow
IMO that's how to use chiron
normal arrow
from a safe distance, attack to tag -> special -> special
hot yoke
A huge part of chiron is knowing when you can safely use the special
hot yoke
You have big end lag
normal arrow
actually dashing in between is better
hot yoke
F.e. when asterius jumps and you do a special shortly before you take damage
normal arrow
true true
safe niche
yea
hot yoke
@safe niche maybe for you/us it's natural but not for shadow
safe niche
i mean
hot yoke
So we'll need to be a bit more thorough
safe niche
i get hit when spamming lol
but thats the general combo for mobs
they dont hit fast enough
hot yoke
It's a general part of chiron
More so with bosses
gusty atlas
everything hits too fast for me
hot yoke
With mobs distance is enough sure
But you still need a feel for the time it takes to execute dashes after the special/how long the animation is
normal arrow
@gusty atlas do you like athena dash? I think I wouldn't have won most of my runs without it
static anvil
How many runs have you done with the bow?
gusty atlas
idk
static anvil
Would you say a lot?
gusty atlas
I'm at 136 escape attempts. I don't think I'm 100% even across all weapons, but my gut reaction would say that if there was one that I was less on it'd actually be rail.
but my record is such that I've actually been successful twice with spear, and once with everything else except bow and fist.
hot yoke
Tbf there's bound to be a weapons you struggle with
static anvil
Hmmmmmmmmmmm, is the bow as a weapon not working for you or a specific aspect?
gusty atlas
bow as a weapon
hot yoke
Fists at higher ||heat|| are giving me a headache
static anvil
What exactly is the issue with the bow for you? Is it that you don't feel you're doing enough damage? You're not hitting the enemies?
static anvil
Have you tried turning on autoaim?
gusty atlas
autoaim is on
you still have to point in almost the right direction for it to kick in
hot yoke
Not if you're close enough
gusty atlas
well, if i'm close enough didn't dash away now did I?
static anvil
You can still dash and be close enough to the enemy
gusty atlas
I wouldn't say i understand dash enough to manipulate that, since I still endu p in lava 80% of the time
static anvil
Just have to look for the enemies' white flash (telegraph for attack) and dodge then
gusty atlas
I mean dash length
sour kite
What do you mean by you can't do anything with the bow? Are you struggling to get past|| heat 5? || Please be a bit more specific
gusty atlas
@sour kite I can't get past ||heat 0||
static anvil
Do you have the mirror upgrade that gives you more dashes?
gusty atlas
Egg: Yes
sour kite
In that case, I'd recommend just trying to go as slow as you can, engage at max range as much as possible, and practice getting no hit
gusty atlas
@sour kite When I say I can't do anything with the bow, I mean that I'm 50/50 on clearing asphodel, if I get unlucky with rooms w/r too many enemies.
when I say I can't do anything with the bow, I mean that aimining and taknig that long to attack means I have not figured out how to not get hit
sour kite
||I beat 32 for the first time last night with Chiron||, it's just practice
gusty atlas
I'm not saying it can't be done
sour kite
to use dash strike to tag, and special with the distance earned
gusty atlas
I'm saying I danot' know what I don't understand
static anvil
Hmmm, in my noob experience the most I can suggest is to use the Zagreus aspect and focus on using the special and use boons on the special that emphasize curses or heavy damage like Zeus, Ares, Dio etc
sour kite
I can't see the way you're playing so I can't offer direct coaching there
static anvil
That way you can deal damage from a distance and not worry about having to get super close to the action
sour kite
but the general idea is to use distance to your advantage
and dash-strike to minimise time to tag
also if you ever dash strike you don't have an i-frame
sour kite
if they are up in your face you need to empty dash for safety
gusty atlas
because it hurts my head
and I've been trying for months to explain why I don't understand dash-strike bow
static anvil
There's still the option of using the special more than the attack 
sour kite
I mean I'm a KBM player so there's some stuff I can't say for sure
gusty atlas
i physically can't use kbm
sour kite
I just find it simple to just kite away with the dash, and channel attack after that dash
that tags the enemy, then I dash-special x 2
or just empty dash if they're up in my face
hot yoke
Idk same for me with controller more or less
It's a playstyle you have to adapt to
sour kite
the only other thing I can suggest is watching some high level Chiron runs
and watch their movement
sour kite
So why do you think you're getting hit so often
because that seems to be the source of your woes
I don't think there's that many rooms which will just overwhelm you at ||heat 0||
gusty atlas
what you find overwhelming is different than what I find overwhelming, obviously
hot yoke
Well yeah but if he is to help you maybe provide some info
sour kite
My point is more
you could practice empty dashing
and just dodge every attack with dashes
and if you have a refined dodging skillset
you'll find the bow really easy
the bow was one the weapons I found easiest to start with because enemies just weren't hitting me all of the time
whereas I was tanking so much damage with sword/fists
thick maple
Am I the only person that really dislikes the Rail
safe niche
i didnt like it at first
sour kite
The railgun definitely is a lower ranked weapon for me in terms of enjoyment
safe niche
then i used zeus attack and i love it now
gusty atlas
Eris is another annoyance for me, but taht's a problem for another day
hot yoke
Having to reload is not satisfying
@thick maple are you perhaps playing on controller?
thick maple
Yes
wise ivy
honestly if hestia cut your ammo to 1 and eliminated the reload button it'd be very interesting
hot yoke
Reload to L
quiet vigil
Hiyo
thick maple
That's a good idea I'll try a rebind
hot yoke
Rail has arguably one of if not the strongest aspects as of current knowledge
thick maple
I guess wrong channel to be discussing it
gusty atlas
So, examples where I've struggled a lot-
Tartarus, rooms w/ a lot of the skulls, especially when there are also either the dudes who chuck bombs at you, or floor bombs that explrode in your face, I run out of places to go real quick, so I have no time to get off attacks. On something like a sword or fist, I can dash-attack into them and clear them out fast enough, but with the bow picking them off one by one is a huge pain, and the special tends to get weird coverage and not get them down or stagger them enough for me.
Asphodel, I've had trouble with gorgon heads freezing me in place, some of those swipey dudes just staggering me in ways I couldn't dash away (not sure why I couldn't get away), or dashing into lava a lot, especially in the fight with the witches. The lava issue is getting used to positioning, which is obwviously been super slow to me since I'm 130 runs in and still can't figure it out.
Elesyum, Flameweels are a problem on all weapons, dodging them is an annoyance because they're pretty fast, and Asterius is a problem because I can't seem to get ahead of his rush in any meaningful way to get off attacks.
quiet vigil
I love the gun
sour kite
So, examples where I've struggled a lot-
Tartarus, rooms w/ a lot of the skulls, especially when there are also either the dudes who chuck bombs at you, or floor bombs that explrode in your face, I run out of places to go real quick, so I have no time to get off attacks. On something like a sword or fist, I can dash-attack into them and clear them out fast enough, but with the bow picking them off one by one is a huge pain, and the special tends to get weird coverage and not get them down or stagger them enough for me.Asphodel, I've had trouble with gorgon heads freezing me in place, some of those swipey dudes just staggering me in ways I couldn't dash away (not sure why I couldn't get away), or dashing into lava a lot, especially in the fight with the witches. The lava issue is getting used to positioning, which is obwviously been super slow to me since I'm 130 runs in and still can't figure it out.
Elesyum, Flameweels are a problem on all weapons, dodging them is an annoyance because they're pretty fast, and Asterius is a problem because I can't seem to get ahead of his rush in any meaningful way to get off attacks.
@gusty atlas Ok thanks for outlining all these
Let's just start with the easy ones
Flamewheels and Asterius's bull rush have exactly the same solution
Baiting them into chasing you
and last minute dashing through an obstacle
stops their charge and suicides the flamewheels
the chariots have the same thing
The bow is not good at dealing with those movesets without specific boons
obviously deflect or knockback in your build can also help a lot
I like flood shot a lot on bow a lot because I want safety space for this very reason
fiery monolith
I find it harder to deal with flamewheels with the sword than with the bow, personally
gusty atlas
@fiery monolith I find it hard to gain distance w/ the bow and turn around and attack. W/ the sword, I just dash-attnack through them and expect the dmg, but I also usually have grabbed divine dash by then. So while I wouldn't say I get through them w/o damage, it's more an exercise in why I struggle mentally w/ the bow than saying I can get through it w/ 0 dmg
sour kite
Tartarus, rooms w/ a lot of the skulls, especially when there are also either the dudes who chuck bombs at you, or floor bombs that explrode in your face, I run out of places to go real quick, so I have no time to get off attacks.
This sounds to me like a mixture of things.
a. You feel like that room is bullet hell because the mines are everywhere, and you think that this means there's almost no safe zone. However, if the mines are spread, you can basically treat areas with a mine on them as safe. Just learn the timing and i-frame dodge the damage, and use the sound cue of the explosion wind-up to guide your dodge there.
b. If you're still struggling you might want to focus skull-o-mats and bothers first.
c. You need to be more aware of the telegraphs that a unit is about to attack. They have basically the same move as the Wretched Thugs, and empty dashing in any direction can avoid all of their damage
gusty atlas
and I fundamanteally don't understand that
sour kite
For reference I walk over mines all of the time, and keep exploding them intentionally to manage my real estate that it's safe to fight on
gusty atlas
sorry, that fundamentally don't undestand that was to the powershot-dash comment
I don't understand dash-attack on bow
it makes 0 sense to me
cannot wrap my head around it
I get what you're saying about safe spaces, though in the moment it's still very overwhelming whhen there's a lot of them
and that's what I was sayintg re: your overwhelm being different than my overwhelm
sour kite
Asphodel, I've had trouble with gorgon heads freezing me in place, some of those swipey dudes just staggering me in ways I couldn't dash away (not sure why I couldn't get away), or dashing into lava a lot, especially in the fight with the witches. The lava issue is getting used to positioning, which is obwviously been super slow to me since I'm 130 runs in and still can't figure it out.
Gorgon heads can be annoying. I normally just try to deflect their attacks but if I can't, they're sidesteppable, or just can just empty dash through the lot. Engage them at max range.
Swipey dudes are dangerous af and you need to respect their combo which can chain you down. Distance is no.1 priority
Dashing onto lava is actually perfectly legit and is sometimes safer than not being on lava. Just try to make your first dash onto lava and immediately dash off the lava with your 2nd
fiery monolith
isn't bow dash just the shot, but you're moving while you take it?
sour kite
To be honest the advice I've given is just generic Hades advice but made more specific to the bow
you'll need to learn these things to master the other weapons as well
Dash strike is when you dash and during the dash you start an attack animation
the main benefit is just a quicker draw
gusty atlas
functionally, you dhave to aim a bow dash-attack in a way you don't have to aim any other weapon because you can't aim the other weapons
because of the charge
dense laurel
bow dash atk got faster charge iirc
gusty atlas
so it's fundamentally different in a way that I have found impossible to hold in my head
sour kite
and that's what I was sayintg re: your overwhelm being different than my overwhelm
@gusty atlas I totally do get that, I wasn't saying omg game is super ez. I'm just saying you could refine skillsets that are independent of the bow
and still just win off of that
functionally, you dhave to aim a bow dash-attack in a way you don't have to aim any other weapon because you can't aim the other weapons
@gusty atlas See this is the kind of thing, I don't know how controller scheme works
do you move and aim with the same analog stick?
gusty atlas
yes
sour kite
well that must make it a lot trickier
dense laurel
just use autoaim
gusty atlas
you still have tto point at the enemy w/ autoaim
it just takes less movement
because you're still pointing the stick to dash, and that breaks the aim
fiery monolith
Ah, well, I use mouse and keyboard
sour kite
yah I think KBM makes so much more sense in my own head
that's part of the reason I was trying to give generic Hades advice
gusty atlas
none of the other weapons have this problem, only bow
well, and lob in general, so dio cast and rail special
dense laurel
you still have tto point at the enemy w/ autoaim
@gusty atlas actually, by auto aim, if u stop moving ur stick, it aims itself
gusty atlas
so eris rail is, as I mentioned, another issue
sour kite
actually, by auto aim, if u stop moving ur stick, it aims itself
@dense laurel really
gusty atlas
because getting into the special is a good way to walk into a trap
dense laurel
i fully switch from KBM to controller due to how easy it is to use em
eris bombing is easy,
it gets easier with cluster but yeah, i see no problem in aiming
sour kite
I still think it'd be worth spending some time with Skelly just getting dash strike down
gusty atlas
I've tried
maybe not 10 mins, but I have tried
I'm just 80/20 on attacking straight forward vs hitting him when I dash-attack
sour kite
but I also think it's possible to beat ||heat 0|| without dash striking, and just having a good understanding of how to prevent incoming damage
dense laurel
if u want to practice dash strike, try hidden glove
gusty atlas
I have not wanted to spend any blood
tbh
to unlock most hiddens
been very reluctant
dense laurel
hidden weps is mostly, high reward high risk weps, except hidden sword i guess
gusty atlas
there's some risk to it. ๐ just less compared to the others
dense laurel
"less"
gusty atlas
||it's slow! still faster than bow||
sour kite
what about excepting hidden gun
dense laurel
its lower atk speed is fixed by the aura dmg reduction and high dmg
gusty atlas
assuming you can stay in it
dense laurel
hidden gun is more set up time than normal rail
gusty atlas
which, admittedly I had a hard time w/
sour kite
I dunno if I'd call it high risk high reward though
gusty atlas
it's fair
sour kite
It's definitely transformative in a cool way
gusty atlas
it's a fair criticism to question if it's high risk/ high reward
i mean
||sword is the only hidden I have unlocked, because I wanted the prophecy...||
dense laurel
u can make status curse towers with hidden rail, it just traded that off from the instant bombing stuff
sour kite
I'm not saying there's no tradeoff, or that there isn't any reward. I'm just asking what you perceive the "risk" is
Having a downside that's compensated is not the same as having incorporated risk
sour kite
I think it's just more generic to say for all hidden weapons, that they have downsides compensated by upsides
dense laurel
so the potential dmg is slower
gusty atlas
me? ||Yeah, it's designed risk is the slower attack animations, opening you up for counters and such... but it's a weak risk compared to the others ||
sour kite
they are double edged weapons
high risk high reward is the reason you said "high reward high risk weps, except hidden sword i guess"
but we're just delving into semantics obviously
gusty atlas
||spear risk/rewardi is much clearer to me, but those are the only two I have any reasonable knowledge of||
dense laurel
u receive more dmg with hidden shield, and the atk animation is actually slower
th hidden fists status curse allows enemies to deal more dmg
gusty atlas
I feel like I don't wanna dive deeper into them until I have more clears under my belt tbh
sour kite
That's totally a fair thing to do
Tbh I find the first alt aspects to be the most noob friendly
well, not the spear
dense laurel
using hidden spear unleveled is a mistake in the first place
sour kite
Unless you're a masochist
dense laurel
or just want to farm dialogues
sour kite
although it has to be said the masochism won't last long
gusty atlas
I haven't unlocked that one
apparently I accidentally found out that || you can reveal other aspects w/ spear revealed but not unlocked, because Nyx was being a little pita.||
dusty gate
Yeah you just need to see it
Then you can unlock the rest regardless of whether you buy it
I love hidden shield to death
The extra damage taken isnโt a huge deal when you can block imo
soft ridge
Hello everyone! Just started Hades here! Super stoke and its so sickkk!
soft ridge
Thanks man! Still getting a hang of the controls. hahaa!
sour kite
Welcome :D
leaden whale
so how many floors is there before i come to the final boss
wide shore
||Tatarus, Asphodel, Elysium, Styx, Final Boss||
ruby relic
This game has so many things
I canโt even get a hold of them
Rn I always pray I get Daedalus hammer and a boon which turns rail special in a rocket
That thing melts like nothing
wicked gale
ive made it to end of elysium
@leaden whale Do you mean Teseu?
wicked gale
good luck man
wicked gale
Teseu is a pain
leaden whale
along with that guy jamming his spears
ruby relic
I think mino isnโt as bad as when the spear guy asks for Aphroditeโs help
wicked gale
Dash around the map
minotaur is extremly annoying
@leaden whale Dash around the map. Hide behind the pilars
His spears can't get you if you are behind the pilars
When the gods helps Teseu, just dash insanily around the map. When they stop, you attack
leaden whale
okay
wicked gale
Also, I highly recomend having Poseidon, Ares or Zeus on the dash for this one.
soft ridge
I highly recommend zeus on the dash as well!
Are you all playing with the mouse?
It makes the bow really tricky
With the aiming that is
patent horizon
What's a good introductory build for the shield ? also, which aspect works well ?
sour kite
It makes the bow really tricky
@soft ridge maybe try turning off aim assist i find it annoying on kbm
wicked gale
What's a good introductory build for the shield ? also, which aspect works well ?
@patent horizon Aspect of Zeus, for sure.
patent horizon
with zeus boons ? ๐
soft ridge
@soft ridge maybe try turning off aim assist i find it annoying on kbm
@sour kite oh wow! big difference
thanks man
I switch my dash to the "right mouse" click so its much more convenient rather thn "space bar"
sour kite
you're welcome
wise ruin
will hades be updated even if its realised?
dusty gate
Itโs both released and has been updated post release
wise ruin
cool beans
dusty gate
I kinda doubt there will be significant new content but weโve gotten a round of balance tweaks
harsh leaf
Unlikely to happen
pulsar thistle
Does having the ||pierced butterfly||equipped increase the chances of seeing ||Thanatos,||or is it purely random?
cursive prism
It's just random
sly vigil
Someone told me that you need to be below 100% HP for him to spawn though. I don't have a source, however.
pulsar thistle
K, ty both!
static anvil
If you stop wanting him to pop up he'll pop up more-100% proven all the time ask Bouldy
thick rune
^^^ Can confirm
buoyant thunder
I finally beat the final boss :D
thick rune
Grats!
jovial stratus
dusty gate
I have a newfound appreciation for ||achilles|| aspect
It gets a ton of mileage out of high-impact casts that donโt lodge themselves in foes, such as crystal clarity or hunting blades
lyric forge
That's pretty much exactly what it's for. There's not enough charges to make it super worthwhile with attack builds.
dusty gate
It gives you one combo pretty much
Itโs ok, but high base damage casts really get the most out of it
shy raptor
anyone feel like their sets get super sloppy whenever you try to use family favorites
cuz i cannot clear this round lol
thick maple
Can anyone explain what dark foresight does
shy raptor
from what i understand it makes the chance of getting per-run chamber rewards higher, as opposed to things like keys, darkness, or gems
like most of the mirror upgrades the downside of that is not having the red-side bonus instead
dusty gate
I kinda naturally let family favorites do its thing
thick maple
so does it increase the chance you seem Poms and stuff or does it increase the rewards from those chambers
shy raptor
just the chance you see them in the gates, yeah
dusty gate
It increases the chance of chamber rewards bejng good stuff like boons
shy raptor
although if u have certain contractor upgrades you might not want that (key rewards giving persuasion dice or nectar giving boon upgrades)
dusty gate
Even with that the rewards it forces are much, much better
shy raptor
dusty gate
Imo the B side is the clear winner tho
dusty gate
Yeah
I have enough to max out the mirror for any given side, but not both at once
So I have to use a key sometimes
Mildly annoying
bright sable
ooh
thick maple
Thank you for that
dawn niche
I thought Daedalus was also a min of 2 per run
random gazelle
how much escape attempt for me to ||enter the administrative chamber?||
random gazelle
no no, I dont mean again
bright sable
?
random gazelle
I mean how much attempt for me to sleep and then ||have my Hades take me in for some work the first time||
bright sable
idk
random gazelle
:(
random gazelle
alright then
bright sable
it will just happen
random gazelle
if anybody knows the answer, pls ping me c:
thick rune
I think it took me a dozen or so tries?
But that's just from my poor memory
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
random gazelle
how do I ||unlock the last aspect of a weapon?||
bright sable
do story
random gazelle
oh, is that it? alright then
bright sable
most of them yes
i havent unlocked all of them
so i just got like 3 just by doing story so
the rest idk
random gazelle
alright, thanks for the info
hot yoke
@random gazelle There's a pinned comment in #h1-story-discussion
It doesn't have to do with story at all
random gazelle
oh, thank you very much
gusty atlas
@gusty atlas actually, by auto aim, if u stop moving ur stick, it aims itself
@dense laurel so, I was just trying this on skelly. If I dash attack towards the weapons and let go of the stick before the dash animation finishes, the auto aim does not turn around and pick up skelly
unless I'm already facing mostly towards skelly, autoaim isn't picking up anything
leaden whale
should i get delta chamber or flury fire?
hot yoke
Infinite fire>Faster and a bit more fire imo
leaden whale
alr
random gazelle
how do you ||train with the lyre?||
civic sinew
Ugh. ||Theseus|| just killed me again
gusty atlas
how do you ||train with the lyre?||
@random gazelle ||just keep strumming it. I haven't figured out how to speed it up, but it's starting to sound like something for me. ||
random gazelle
hmm alright then
leaden whale
What is the best aspect to invest titan blood into rn? I tried the chirons aspect and got it to level 3 and rlly dont like it.
bitter pine
Do you have all the weapons? Do you like faster weapons, slower? Up close or further away?
leaden whale
I have all the weapons and I like bow with hera's aspect, but wanna try something different. Haven't beat the game with all the weapons yet either
Only spear and bow
bitter pine
The nice thing about zag aspects is that they cost only 1 blood per level
Shield zag is strong
I'm a big fan of rail zag too with Zeus attack
leaden whale
How would you build those? Artemis/aphro?
Aphro attack and Artemis special for crit
bitter pine
Yep, that's a solid strat
leaden whale
Mmm okay, I will try that sounds fun
pulsar frigate
this field of grey default profile pics lol
anyways, eris rail with either lightning strike or drunken strike
lofty verge
any way to get hermes boons to spawn
quaint ginkgo
They'll never spawn before Asphodel is my understanding, barring inside Charon's shop
elder marten
pretty sure that's the case
and tbh I've only seen him in the last shop of tartarus iirc
tho, I think I've seen erebus gates with him offered in tartarus
lyric forge
I can't say for absolute certain but I'm fairly convinced he can also be offered in the Tartarus mid-shop.
lofty crescent
just got my first finish
i didnt realise i could uprage the mirror
i had 50 keys and 2k darkness
upgrade*
lofty crescent
yeh finished first time after doing it
id been using spiked collar for hp aswell fml
brisk glen
any idea when I get the ||Daedalus hammer entry in the codex||
brisk glen
what
lofty crescent
daedalus is an in run upgrade bro
supple linden
the hammer isn't part of the codex
sly vigil
i didnt realise i could uprage the mirror
wait, at least you got the Death Defiance stuff right?
supple linden
uprage
I would not suggest making the mirror mad
lofty crescent
oh yeh id maxxed out all the stuff on there already
just hadnt unlocked any of the extra buffs
toxic meadow
I kindda confuse what chill effect do? Slow tasget right?
uneven fossil
how do I check escape attempts and the first time i successfully escaped?
frosty basin
after a while you will be given the option from your contractor to regain access to the admin chamber
hollow kernel
Thereโs a place in the west hall that unlocks that option but you have to progress farther into the story
frosty basin
It costs a few diamonds
uneven fossil
ooohh, got it, thanks!
frosty basin
some a lot of story related stuff in there and two cabinets which shows your run statistics
lofty crescent
do you guys try to go for certain builds or just have a rough idea and see how ya go
frosty basin
personally, 50/50
cinder pulsar
Really depends on how I feel at the time
frosty basin
usually I see what gods I get then start to plan a build around what gods I get
lofty crescent
and if i use the trinket thing do i always get the boon from that god at the start
frosty basin
If I'm not feeling it, I switch to god keepsakes
cinder pulsar
Usually I take and alternate between different god keepsakes
lofty crescent
if i use the primordial egg, do i get a higher chance of chaos
cinder pulsar
Not really
frosty basin
it doesn't say so so I assume not
cinder pulsar
But you won't have to pay the health toll and any boons you pick up from them are more likely to be rare or better
frosty basin
There's no guarantee for Chaos chamber to appear either like hammers or Hermes (that I know of) but I think you can at least get one
safe niche
usually I see what gods I get then start to plan a build around what gods I get
@frosty basin what keepsake do u start with o.o
frosty basin
Coin Purse
safe niche
oh
frosty basin
or ||Pom Blossom||
safe niche
sounds good actually hmm
frosty basin
Though ||Pom Blossom|| is a risky pick if I want to switch to a god keepsake to guarantee the other half of my build
so I have been running coin purse
guarantees you can clear final shop if it's a god+Hermes shop, and if not then Golden Touch adds up
cinder pulsar
Whenever I don't feel like going for a certain build, I'll just roll with something like the Plume or ||Pom Blossom||
The latter in particular has become something of a favorite of mine lately
safe niche
i really like forcing builds though, i might give it a try
frosty basin
I absolutely love ||Pom Blossom||
but I've been trying to not overrely on it as much - mainly to fill out the max all keepsake achievement
safe niche
its nice to get free stuff
i dont think ill ever max all keepsakes unless i do chill runs ||with low heat||
frosty basin
forcing builds is probably a personal preference thing if anything
I'm on the side of partial forcing - as I described above, I see what god I get and check the codex for the boons suitable for my current run, then equip a god keepsake for Asphodel or just don't use god keepsakes at all
or partial forcing from the get go - usually for the rail because Zeus attack on rail is just too good
Though I have been doing Zeus rail less to spice things up
cinder pulsar
Speaking of Zeus boons though, I had his special on shield Chaos aspect earlier
It's actually really good
frosty basin
always has been 
Try Zeus focus on ||Zeus|| shield
especially with the passives for lightning bolts (as opposed to passives for lightning chains) - High Voltage/Double Strike
Splitting Bolt is just icing on the cake
sand bridge
there are 2 different categories for doors: blue laurels and gold laurels
blue - darkness, gems, keys, nectar
gold - centaur hearts, poms, boons, hammers.
dark foresight increases the chance to get gold laurel doors (and therefore decreases the chance to get blue laurel doors)
leaden whale
I see, thanks.
little spoke
Hi guys! I am thinking of buying hades, will it run on a lower-end system?
sand bridge
there are system requirements written on the Steam store page.
minimal and recommended
leaden whale
hi, i just got to the || main story ending ||. right now i'm just continuing runs for each weapon and adding ||heat||, but is there something i should be focusing on/grinding first?
hallow portal
@leaden whale I would recommend increasing your affinity with Olympian Gods and ||mother|| ๐
uncut parrot
@leaden whale there is ||a post credits epilogue chapter||
iron scaffold
leaden whale
@leaden whale I would recommend increasing your affinity with Olympian Gods and ||mother|| ๐
this is referring to ||keepsakes||, or something more?
also, do you need to have lost health for ||than|| to spawn? the wiki says so but i saw another discussion on here that said it wasn't necessary
hallow portal
@leaden whale I'm referring to what Novadil mentioned, and you'll have to ||give them Nectars until a lock appears, then pay attention to their conversations.||
hearty ore
Got offered ||2 duos at once|| which should I take out of ||Vengeful mood|| and ||Sea storm||?
foggy sparrow
Depends
Would you rather your revenge pops without you getting hit periodically or have lightning strike enemies you knock back?
stuck furnace
Do the hearts have a lock on them?
bright sable
yes i'm talking about that
viral lance
@bright sable if theres only one heart left but no lock you need to give them ambrosia
fiery monolith
Is ||aspect of poseidon|| any good? any tips/useful boons for it?
harsh leaf
Probably the "best" sword. Any cast that lodges in the enemy is fantastic, but particularly Artemis Cast
hot yoke
Best is debatable lol but I'd certainly say the easiest to play/clear with
fiery monolith
alright will try that
hot yoke
Make sure to go for exit wounds and the parting shot duo
fiery monolith
I got exit wounds pog
hot yoke
Throw some poms at that and your cast
Beeg damage
Also chaos and hermes boons related to casts are nice obvs
fiery monolith
yeah I have a damage cast chaos one
I'm going to switch to the aphrodite keepsake
hot yoke
Best of luck
hot yoke
fiery monolith
@hot yoke check #h1-victory-boasting
leaden whale
is the chill effect any good?
hot yoke
Yes
leaden whale
for what?
hot yoke
Well good we're on the same terms then
static anvil
Why does that sound like a threat ๐
hot yoke
static anvil
stuck furnace
||Chill|| is a fairly safe option, and even one stack is great at enabling High Privilege thanks to its long duration
foggy sparrow
That and Jolted or Weak is great to take advantage of it, yeah
stuck furnace
Jolted can be great if you can get the Zeus/||Demeter|| duo, if your Lightning damage isn't applied constantly (ie tied to a rarely-used Special or Cast)
modern pike
Are there any guides here on how to beat the final boss? In 70+ attempts I've only managed 3 times....
And all of them have been with the gloves lol
fiery monolith
Always take athena dash
modern pike
Yes, and her call also
fiery monolith
I can't help you with gloves; personally I can't stand them
I've beaten him 8 times
modern pike
They are my fav, I have trouble with long range weapons tbh
sly vigil
with fists you kinda need to learn to use the dash i frames
fiery monolith
Bow is my favourite, followed closely by gun. Shield is very OP but not as fun to play imo
sly vigil
divine dash will help greatly here at final boss
modern pike
The bow and gun are troublesome to use for me, try to get better
sly vigil
if you can manage, Demeter fists will trememdously help you cleave through bosses
if you can't, maybe try the Merciful End build on fists?
modern pike
No worries, all advice is welcome really
modern pike
Can you?
sly vigil
yeah
modern pike
I have 3 bows unlocked
sly vigil
dash strike lowers your timing for charged power shot
so you should always dash strike
the animation between dash strike and normal strike is quite subtle but it's there
you can test on skelly. anyhow, use dash strike, a lot, to improve your mobility
some good boons are Hunter Dash, Deadly Strike, Heartbreak Strike
good hammers are Twin Shot, Triple Shot, Point Blank Shot, Perfect Shot
(assuming Zag bow)
modern pike
Hmmm, I have been consistently getting all the way to ||Hades lately but only to die there on his second phase||
But never thought you could dash strike with bow
sly vigil
then you are p close. did you know about the laser trick with Hades?
sly vigil
when Hades does the 360 laser attack, instead of diving behind rocks, you can also dive on top of Hades
you are completely safe tehre and you can attack him in the meantime
the spacing is quite generous
just land on top of him
modern pike
Oh, wow...no didn't know that
sly vigil
yeah try it out! gl
modern pike
Thank you again, very generous advice! โค๏ธ
buoyant thunder
So.... Taking ||Charon's gold|| was a mistake
merry otter
Wdym itโs ||free 300 gold|| 
merry otter
If you get the right build itโs super potent, but imo it just takes a ton of work to work out well
charred scroll
I'm pretty sure I need advice on on to strategies for builds in the beginning. Ive done about 20+ runs, haven't beat the bull/minotaur or his dude (not to say Im not having a blast play this game) but I have yet to even get to Hades and I feel like I should be better at this point
I apologize for the rant
Should I migrate to builds n combat?
Got death defiance max out? And the double dash and thick skin too.
merry otter
Took me about 50 runs to beat the game for the first time, if it helps
simple fossil
Why is double dash better than the potent dash?
merry otter
Better movement and 100% dodge chance if you time it right
Of course with extra dashes Ruthless Reflex is better but Greater Reflex is honestly a lot more reliable
charred scroll
So Im on chamber 26 and I have 4 nectars but already given at least one to everyone I know. Should I still save them to give more or trade them?
My bad guys, I don't feel like I'm learning fast enough. Just found out that there are duo boons yet I can't remember the two gods I used
merry otter
Nectar can help a ton depending on who you give, if you wanna trade it though then go right ahead
Iโd keep at least 5 on me just in case
simple fossil
I need to get Thanatos again lol I died on his encounter
Thanks for the dash info Iโll change it and try it out some more
merry otter
Also Divine Dash is the best dash in the game if you havenโt already figured that out
charred scroll
That is my only fact i know lol
weak mantle
Hi everyone, I'm new here! I don't have any questions, just wanna vent for a little
I'm so close...52 runs in and I've gotten so close to beating the final boss
It just feels like every time I think I'm doing good (good build, etc.) something stupid trips me up and I'm dead
I know It comes down to learning patterns and stuff, but it's just so frustrating being so close and getting beat
harsh leaf
Consider turning on God Mode! The devs put it in the game for a reason
sly vigil
@weak mantle It happens. If you ever want some tips you can come back here. But you can do it. Good luck.
pine kelp
@weak mantle I'm sure you'll get it if you keep trying!
you could turn on god mode but if you're getting so close already i dont really think you need to do that
it will feel so much better once you beat him if you do it without god mode
dusk elk
turn on dark foresight tbh
hot yoke
I mean as long as you don't have your mirror setup I can see a small merit in the increased amount of ressources aquired without df
weak mantle
Update: I did it! I finally beat him
I got a pretty strong build going with the Rail and some Heroic offensive boons and I was able to beat him
daring summit
nice
quaint ginkgo
ancient greece vs gun
cosmic willow
is reward rarity affected by which u choose first in duo boon rooms?
hot yoke
Nope
Also they're called trials
Calling it duo might lead to some confusion cause of the duo boons
raven pollen
Can you not get quests until after you start using Titan blood? I'm 50+ runs in with some heat 1 runs completed and have nectar'd several people to max
jolly frigate
tips for dealing with megs aoe? i keep getting walled by her, fights fine but i struggle without deflect
fight until aoe is fine*
safe niche
u mean the big aoe in a circle that she charges up?
jolly frigate
no, the balls
jolly frigate
i can beat it consistantly with spear but can't with anything else
safe niche
attacks destroy projectiles
safe niche
yea
jolly frigate
why do i get so low then just beating on her in melee
dense laurel
what balls?
jolly frigate
the projectile spam
dense laurel
just go behind her
ivory ocean
i go as far away from her as i can and then dodge from there, since it's a lot sparser
don't try to attack her during the projectile phase
merry otter
If you're using Divine Dash (which you hopefully should be) then the spam is a lot easier to deal with
Or any deflect really
dense laurel
the triple dash is enough to avoid the cone
leaden whale
i see people saying you need to take some damage to spawn ||thanatos|| and people saying it doesn't matter, which is the truth?
not the first time
frosty basin
Never heard of that
old skiff
hearty ore
Does ||shadow slash|| work with ||parting shot||?
leaden whale
Let's say, if you have an attack boon, the next attack boon will override it while increasing rarity
leaden whale
Zag tells you, the card also shows both attack boons
tardy oyster
so what would i choose here?https://gyazo.com/689ce41f3c94e34771d10f2c36cfc965
leaden whale
What weapon are you running
tardy oyster
bow
leaden whale
Aspect?
leaden whale
Ah ok, you'll see after unlocking all weapons. Basically different version of the weapons
Well then, I'd go with sprint
leaden whale
hiii I wanted to ask you guys for your opinion!
which dash is best for close combat twin fists?
harsh leaf
Always Athena, I guess?
leaden whale
I keep dying to the ghosts that shoot out a lot of dark balls in Asphodel
harsh leaf
Definitely Athena for you in that case
high crest
Definitely Athena then
harsh leaf
Athena is great in general, especially so for melee builds
high crest
Iโve started enjoying Poseidon dash too, but for help with projectiles Athena is great
dense laurel
who coulve thought
harsh leaf
Every Hades player discovers Athena Dash for the first time eventually
jagged lantern
Hey gamers. I wanna now what should I get at first keepsake for attack build run ? I always pick athena so I can ignore defence by the start. I am pretty new so I think its a good strategy but idk its a true move or not.
uncut parrot
Depends on the buikd you're aiming for and the weapon
dense laurel
i think he only have stygius
uncut parrot
You'd start with the keepsake of the god you want the boon
Oh, then he should just stick to cerberus/skelly atm imo
jagged lantern
But when I focus the attack from first I always taking damage from something because of that I prefer at first athenas keepsake for dash and then focused to attack damage.
I dont have only the stgius
I new but not that new.
dense laurel
then it depends on the wep
jagged lantern
I was always run with malphon but I didnt like the q of the weapon so I switched it to stygiys recently. What do u think ?
dense laurel
if using malphon just use zeus/dio or doom if u want to go ME
stygius i prefer aphro/dem
jagged lantern
hmm
uncut parrot
I don't play vanila sword, but I assume you could go for aphro spe, artemis attack and their duo boon
uncut parrot
@dense laurel not sure he unlocked dem yet
dense laurel
i just dont think the critting is worth it rather than just go aphro
and doom on special
uncut parrot
Athena dash is pretty much always nice
jagged lantern
Athena dash is pretty much always nice
@uncut parrot ikr
leaden whale
ouch, I've died 20 times and finally got past the bone hydra........ ๐ข
uncut parrot
Grats
jagged lantern
@dense laurel not sure he unlocked dem yet
@uncut parrot what unlock sir ?
harsh leaf
Demeter
uncut parrot
A god, iirc she only appear later in the game
jagged lantern
oh I unlock it
leaden whale
uhhhh can we romance ||hypnos||?
harsh leaf
You're usually better off taking something for damage in Tartarus and then equipping Athena's keepsake in Asphodel for the survivablitiy
dense laurel
||No||
jagged lantern
I died like 40-45 time and I still cant defeat the Hades I almost tho
leaden whale
๐ข
uncut parrot
Spoil the name plz
dense laurel
however hypnos ||have a crush on meg so u can do that instead||
jagged lantern
You're usually better off taking something for damage in Tartarus and then equipping Athena's keepsake in Asphodel for the survivablitiy
@harsh leaf So I should have the Athenas keepsake for the run
leaden whale
awww that's cute!
dense laurel
i prefer using shckles in tartarus honestly
uncut parrot
You change the keepsake at each region
Usually, a run would go something along the lines of god A>god B> purse> acorn
dense laurel
why would u use purse that late
uncut parrot
More coins for last shop
jagged lantern
I did that too
uncut parrot
And earlier I d rather shape my build
dense laurel
if u use it first, golden touch can give u more
uncut parrot
Fair, tbh I inly started using touch recently
dense laurel
and shackle seem like a faster option for runs since u acn keep building ur build without getting handicapped in dmg at early phase
jagged lantern
so if I want to do a attack damge build, I should focuse the attack boons first then the athena dash
is that right ?
uncut parrot
That's a possibility yes
harsh leaf
so if I want to do a attack damge build, I should focuse the attack boons first then the athena dash
@jagged lantern That's what I said, yes
jagged lantern
is that the best possibility tho ?
uncut parrot
Depends on your luck, style and needs
jagged lantern
what is the avarege attempts for beating the Hades
Just play the game, figure it out
@harsh leaf I am trying the figure it out but I have some problem because of the language barrier I trying the understand fully in here
dense laurel
wats ur first language
jagged lantern
Turkish
harsh leaf
what is the avarege attempts for beating the ||Hades||
@jagged lantern Some people beat the game on their 10th run, some people cant beat the game after 60+ runs
jagged lantern
@jagged lantern Some people beat the game on their 10th run, some people cant beat the game after 60+ runs
@harsh leaf So I didnt understand fully the boon combos exc. after 40 attempt is it normal ? If its not I will search and then play the game.
dense laurel
isnt there a turkish settings in the game @jagged lantern
jagged lantern
isnt there a turkish settings in the game @jagged lantern
@dense laurel no :'^(
I generally understand the story and exc. but sometimes its get complicated because there is like so much mystic term
I will try for the attack damge boons at first then the Athena dash got it. I will try it thx for the help guys.
leaden whale
What is the best ||hidden aspect|| to invest in unlocking after ||Arthur||?
hot yoke
Mostly personal
pulsar frigate
^
analog radish
waht is latest version of game
pulsar frigate
any one you want, really
analog radish
patch
harsh leaf
patch
@analog radish Switch version is behind on patches
analog radish
so how do i get fishing rod
harsh leaf
Keep playing the game and check the contractor
analog radish
yes i have diamonds but it no show up
harsh leaf
Play the game MORE
hot yoke
Do runs
harsh leaf
Things take time
analog radish
i play 40 runs ish
hot yoke
@analog radish Switch version is behind on patches
@harsh leaf do we know how far behind?
Still waiting for that ||lucifer|| buff to hit ;(
analog radish
eveybody use name of the actualy thing while im like shiny rock
hot yoke
Wut
analog radish
yes
harsh leaf
Are you sure you havent bought it already?
analog radish
yes
i only got the music lady with diamonds
al so what is the best keepsake thingy
harsh leaf
Orpheus is a guy, but ok
analog radish
iwat
it look like lady
i was liek i remember that orthyus was guy but it look like lady
and voice actor is also woman
i thin
k
harsh leaf
al so what is the best keepsake thingy
@analog radish You're way, way, waaaay too new to worry about the "best" anything
analog radish
wel i look att thing and non of them seem good
harsh leaf
I recommend Spiked Collar for new players
hot yoke
...
hot yoke
I'm getting a headache
analog radish
but what u use
hot yoke
Everything
harsh leaf
I'm getting a headache
@hot yoke Please explain why collar is more of a crutch than Athena Dash, go!
sick grove
use it for a bit until you unlock thickskin. the collar
harsh leaf
Arent you though 
analog radish
waht is athena dash and what is thick skinn
hot yoke
Maybe try to let go of past arguments
dense laurel
collar is for nerds, real men go high confidence with hidden spear
hot yoke
harsh leaf
waht is athena dash and what is thick skinn
@analog radish Oh no. Oh no no no
analog radish
awaht is a hidden spear
hot yoke
What about other pronouns?
analog radish
yes idk what stuf is
harsh leaf
Leave this place and play the game more
dense laurel
its a spear that is hiddden
dense laurel
yes click everywhere
dense laurel
or do u
analog radish
i have aproximetly half a brain sell
harsh leaf
What's your native language?
dense laurel
shell*
hot yoke
Writing like Tammy=funny
Don't you know?
dense laurel
whos tammy
analog radish
i like how no one anserd my question is what i shoudl use for keepsake
harsh leaf
Use all of them and decide for yourself ๐
hot yoke
Experiment yourself first
analog radish
also can u get one from givving hades a nactor tingy
i did one and its locked now
so i asume not
harsh leaf
Dont worry about that
analog radish
idk
i have used collor alot and i want to change it
but like other ones r weard in that they dont give that much buff
also wich god is the best
i asume its athena
analog radish
wel like athena is realy good
hot yoke
Certain gods excel at other things
analog radish
and like aphrodiaty is like not very in my poinion
hot yoke
There are boons that are good aside from builds
safe niche
lol
hot yoke
But generally every god has their niche
harsh leaf
I am beginning to think that you're too young to be on the internet ๐
hot yoke
and like aphrodiaty is like not very in my poinion
@analog radish get out of that mindset if you're playing hades
analog radish
i think it good agengst shild
@analog radish get out of that mindset if you're playing hades
@hot yoke waht do u mena
dense laurel
what am i reaiding
safe niche
ares bad
harsh leaf
what am i reaiding
@dense laurel What appears to be a drunk 12 year old
analog radish
k i gess
hot yoke
Every god has good and bad boons and build dependent ones
dense laurel
is posidon god
@analog radish real question we have to ask
harsh leaf
ares bad
@safe niche Counterpoint: Ares good!
harsh leaf
waht about wepons now do u use the gun
@analog radish You shoot things until they die
hot yoke
Chad reasons
harsh leaf
Because he looks cool, duh
hot yoke
Fraternity related stuff
safe niche
thats why i dont like him
dense laurel
he cut his face obviously