h1-for-new-players

[subtle ginkgo]

well for a first try thats a pretty good first try

just remember tine

[edgy tartan]

Oh yeah. And with Athena's Divine Dash, I could even use dodging as a Best Defense-Good Offense kinda thing

But I guess it wasn't quite the best

I just wish I had the Hermes blessing that speeds you up after you dash. That would've been spectacular

And honestly might've saved me

[sterile solar]

Better luck next time coz

[frozen bison]

@fervent socket PC

[red frigate]

Does anyone know if you can have more than one duo boon at a time?

[modest plinth]

what are some good booms for aspect of zag on the fist.

[sterile solar]

You can have as many duos as you want, as long as you qualify and get lucky

[ornate remnant]

I've definitely seen people get at least 5 in a single run

[gusty thorn]

Why I can't gift Hades? I've completed the base-game (post-credits)

[frosty basin]

it would be a while after that

just keep playing

it's conversation RNG afaik

[gusty thorn]

Yeah, it been some runs

Oh

I see

Thnx, mate

[ornate remnant]

(also, anything that comes after beating the final boss, especially story questions, should go in #h1-story-discussion )

(what you said was fine, just saying for future reference)

[gusty thorn]

Oh, okie dokie

[misty remnant]

is there a guide anywhere for what can and can't be deflected?

[pallid tangle]

if its a projectile or something charging at you while not impervious, it can be deflected

[misty remnant]

is that latter clause covering melee attacks?

vs, like, Asterius' charge (is that deflectable?)

[ornate remnant]

yup

you can deflect any attack, though some of them are a bit funky

[pallid tangle]

not any attack

[misty remnant]

but, say, the final boss/Theseus' spin moves can't be deflected

[pallid tangle]

DPS attacks you can't

[ornate remnant]

ahh, true

[misty remnant]

DPS attack? do you mean like, a beam attack?

[pallid tangle]

Yeah like anything that points a laser at you

[ornate remnant]

snakestones, for example

[pallid tangle]

Like the pink/green crystal floaty things

Snakestones right

[misty remnant]

and just to confirm again you can't deflect the spin moves?

I've never been able to, at least

[dense laurel]

you can, time it wisely

[misty remnant]

ah, interesting!

[vapid niche]

you can definitely deflect spins; you just need to get into the habit of dashing into it so it's a bit high risk

[uncut parrot]

gdi, I've been trying to meet ||the minotaur|| with the fists to get the hidden aspect but every time I end up with the boss dream catcher

[celest pebble]

good luck, you'll get it eventually

[uncut parrot]

yeah, but it's frustrating in that until now I always had this boss unless I purposely avoided him

and I still have the dialogue rng after that

[gray haven]

Think of it this way: you're getting more bounties that you can use for your hidden aspect once you get it.

And you can try different builds on Malphon in the meantime.

It's not the destination, it's the journey.

[uncut parrot]

no more bounties with fists until I clear last boss (||no heat|| atm)

[gray haven]

That in parentheses is spoilers.

You might get to buy bounties at the final shop.

[cedar rose]

And you're at least learning how to git gud at the aspect, too. All in the journey.

[uncut parrot]

dream catcher again

[pine kelp]

I have a question about nectar. are there certain characters that dont appear very often and maybe it would be a good idea to save at least 1 nectar in case I happen to run into them?

if so who should I be on the lookout for? thanks

[gray haven]

Probably any NPC you can only see on a run because you might not make it that far, and if you do, they might not show up in the region, anyway.

There's one NPC you can gift Nectar to in Tartarus, one in Asphodel, and one in Elysium.

[pine kelp]

ok got it

like sisyphus?

i already ran into him twice tho

[gray haven]

Yeah.

[pine kelp]

okee

are there certain weapons that i should prioritize using titan's blood on?

[uncut parrot]

well, didn't see the npc I wanted but at least got to clear a run with the fists

now I only have bow left and I will have cleared it with every weapons

[gray haven]

Nice! Congratulations!

@pine kelp I would just say whichever weapon you like the most.

[pine kelp]

i'm still figuring that out i guess lol

[gray haven]

For me that was Malphon when I started out. Well, Malphon hadn't been added yet, but once it was, that's all I focused on.

You could just put some Titan Blood in Zag bow since you still need to ckear with the bow.

Would make that easier.

[uncut parrot]

whatever you feel like but iirc (better check to be sure) you need some blood in the spear to start unlocking hidden aspects

[gray haven]

And you'd get the Titan Blood back at the end, effectively.

[uncut parrot]

since you need to see hidden spear

for bow clear I will be using chiron I think

[gray haven]

No, doesn't have to be the spear. You need to ||unlock 5 aspects|| for the hidden spear, and you need ||hidden spear + 5 Titan Blood in each weapon|| for their corresponding hidden aspects.

[uncut parrot]

right

but you don't need to actually unlock hidden spear

just reveal it

so for the 5 aspects, easiest way to do this is to buy the 1-cost aspect for 5 weapons

[gray haven]

No idea, my hidden spear was Lv.5 before they even added the others lol.

[uncut parrot]

I didn't unlock hidden spear but I can still buy other hidden aspects

so can confirm

[gray haven]

Good to know for next time somebody needs help.

[pine kelp]

once I unlock one aspect am I able to do the next right after/

?

or do i have to max out one aspect first

[gray haven]

No, you can just unlock the next.

[uncut parrot]

you do need to invest some blood in a weapon for its hidden aspect to be available tho

[gentle dome]

hi, any fast ways to farm tblood?

[warm whale]

Yeah, you can ||up the difficulty with the pact of punishment, and for each Heat level you're on, you can get titan blood defeating Meg and the last boss - per weapon.||

[gentle dome]

yeah but

if i do the 1 and 2 hear

heat on every weapon

i mean

0 and 1

then ill need to defeat ||hades|| right?

to be able to get awards from higher heat

[warm whale]

Yep, but ||then after 1 you can do 2 for more blood, then 3 for more blood.. But yes you need to defeat Hades||

[gentle dome]

ah shot

oh sorry

hades aspect is op right

[warm whale]

I never liked it much

But it's supposed to be good

[dusk elk]

not op it’s balanced

[warm whale]

Most unlocked aspects are balanced, a few are OP

[gentle dome]

idk i feel like veratha is most broken weapon tbh

[warm whale]

The spear? I don't get on with it myself, depends on your playstyle

I like the fists

[gentle dome]

yeah the fists are cool too

but i don't like getting to close

||hades|| is really tough fight in close range for me

[warm whale]

Go with the bow then, maybe

[gentle dome]

you said that few aspects are actually op

[warm whale]

Yeah a few

[gentle dome]

which ones?

[warm whale]

Oh and perhaps Chiron aspect on the bow once maxed out

[gentle dome]

and what about ||arthur ||aspect

[warm whale]

It's good but you got to get used to attacking slow

Lots of defence though

[gentle dome]

alright

thanks mate

[stuck furnace]

Aspect of Hades is very strong too

You can dash to set off a spin, really adds some range on top of Punishing Sweep's extra reach.

And Sweep's damage buff is massive in itself, up to +150% damage.

Aspect of Chiron is also very strong if upgraded, having a whole Volley hit one target lets you get some pretty sick single target damage. Especially if you double-dip with both Volley upgrades from Daedalus.

[pastel cipher]

@gentle dome ||both 4th aspects and the hades fight are spoilers in this channel|| please use spoiler tags ^_^

[gentle dome]

oh um

sorry

[pastel cipher]

@warm whale also please spoiler tag ||4th aspects||

[uncut parrot]

aight, I cleared a run with every weapon type now

and I have at least a maxed buff on every line of the mirror

[stuck furnace]

Mark spoilers, mate

[signal wagon]

sorry i wasnt aware it was spoilers!

[pastel cipher]

best off asking in #h1-story-discussion @signal wagon ^_^

[signal wagon]

thank you! ill redirect it and delete it from here

[edgy tartan]

So is it literally impossible to get a Special blessing with the Aspect of Chiron, or am I just having the worst luck imaginable?

[uncut parrot]

bad luck

also helps to use artemis/dio keepsake

[hot yoke]

@edgy tartan Special blessing? You men hermes?

[edgy tartan]

Nah, Special as in it buffs your weapon's Special attack

So like the uppercut, the nova strike, the multishot, etc

[hot yoke]

You mean a flourish?

[edgy tartan]

oh

yea!

[hot yoke]

Why shouldn't you be able to lol

You can get flourishes with every weapon

[edgy tartan]

I was just really confused and more than a little annoyed that I went ||all the way through Elysium|| without even one, when the Aspect of Chiron pairs really well with flourishes

[hot yoke]

Why didn't you pick a flourish in tartarus?

I mean you're playing chiron

That should be your priority

[formal rover]

i think they’re saying they never saw one

[edgy tartan]

I didn't see any, yea

[formal rover]

bad rng ig

[hot yoke]

Sheesh never experienced that

Granted I'm used to persuasion xD

[formal rover]

pretty crazy if there was never one for three zones tho yeah

[simple orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/ivizRfx.png

I just started my run guys

I have aspect of chaos

Recommendations?

[pulsar frigate]

2 or 3

[hot yoke]

Some base build suggestions
| Means different build

[simple orbit]

But that doesn't answer my hammer question from ss

These are boon builds you listed not hammer upgrades

[hot yoke]

Yeah sry my discord on mobile is ffin up rn

Didn't load the pic

[simple orbit]

Any suggestions?

[hot yoke]

Second imo

Bull rush is mandatory to get to your chaos special

But you want to get there as fast as possible

So id say faster bull rush

[simple orbit]

Not explosive return?

[hot yoke]

Third is also alright
You won't get multiple explosions tho

Since you only catch the main shield

The second hammer allows you to just hold down the attack button for a very short time to get bull rush
You want to be spamming empowered special as much as humanly possible

[simple orbit]

Alright

thanks

@hot yoke Why did you delete your boon suggestions

Can you post them again please

[hot yoke]

Cause you didn't ask for them

[leaden whale]

discord's telefragging, sorry

[simple orbit]

I would appreciate if you shared them again

[hot yoke]

Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted|Poseidon flourish, Zeus duo, pos legendary|ares with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points and support fire|Dionysus Flourish, Aphrodite and ares duo, maybe zeus aid and smoldering air

discord's telefragging, sorry
@leaden whale same for me

Only every second message I send gets through

[simple orbit]

Thank you!

[hot yoke]

| means different build

If you got any questions on them just ask

[leaden whale]

i find the cast to be kinda useless so dont use it that often

i jsut ignore it

[hot yoke]

It's nice for the extra damage buff from the mirror

Bust mostly you either build around casts or it becomes a side thing ye

[leaden whale]

i just ignore the button lol

i thought i was doing it all wrong by not using it

do casts become more powerful with a bigger god bar?

[candid nimbus]

Not necessarily, but it's nice to incorporate

wait, calls or casts?

calls are with the god bar and maxed tend to do pretty good damage/effect

[hot yoke]

Casts become very powerful if you build around them

[edgy tartan]

I always struggled to like, get a lot of use out of calls and casts

I think the first time I reliably used a cast was Demeter

[hot yoke]

Smoldering air makes certain calls very powerful
Namely zeus

Calls are supposed to be supportive though

[candid nimbus]

I usually keep a maxed out call for like second phase things

[hot yoke]

For casts it takes specific aspectsy builds and mirror setups

@candid nimbus try smoldering air with zeus aid and be enlightened

Literally

Just don't forget to spam call

[candid nimbus]

Well that's a specific build, so that's a bit different

but yeah that's spam call

[hot yoke]

Well if you play crit builds all it takes is zeus aid

Them you already got the duo reqs

You can fit it on anything that has aphrodite or zeus in it basically

[uncut parrot]

I met ||asterius|| with the fists and got the dialogue about it, now to unlock the hidden aspect I just need to reach him once again with any kind of weapon and not necessarily the fists right?

[leaden whale]

any weapon yes

[simple orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/5FmFsnm.png

I'm guessing the one in the middle is very good, right?

[uncut parrot]

thank you

[lavish delta]

you need it for the fated list so, might as well take it

[uncut parrot]

I'd get it for the fated lists anyway

[leaden whale]

you're in asphodel so it should pile up nice if you take the duo

[hot yoke]

It's better the earlier you get it

What build are you going fo

[uncut parrot]

aside from that, it could also be useless if you don't need anymore boon, if you need another one among the three or if you're too late in-game for it to matter ig

[simple orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/KRgQcoO.png @hot yoke

Recommendations here

first one?

[hot yoke]

On that regard you don't really care about timing your bull rush

[uncut parrot]

don't know, tbh when I did my shield run since chaos wasn't upgraded I pretty much spammed special only and nothing else

[hot yoke]

You want it done as quickly as possible to get to your special

[leaden whale]

Belatedly dionysus cast, demeter cast, and artemis cast are the ones I really enjoy most. Zeus feels like I have to get too close

[simple orbit]

So... Which do you recommend from the three?

[hot yoke]

Pulverizing is a good hammer I'm general
So id say take that
You don't want your enemies to be knocked away either way

Belatedly dionysus cast, demeter cast, and artemis cast are the ones I really enjoy most. Zeus feels like I have to get too close
@leaden whale the dps is worth it

[simple orbit]

So Minotaur Rush isn't worth it?

[leaden whale]

Not if you die lol, dps of a dead character is zero

[sick grove]

i'll take the last one. you'll attack twice between your shield throw anyways if you're doing a bull rush..

[hot yoke]

I really enjoy demeter call too although demeter and artemis call are arguably the worst in the game
Talking strength wise

But again we're in hades so worst doesn't mean bad

[simple orbit]

How about the minotaur rush guys

No knows anything about it?

[leaden whale]

Really? Huh, I figured artemis and aphrodite had the strongest max god calls

[hot yoke]

i'll take the last one. you'll attack twice between your shield throw anyways if you're doing a bull rush..
@sick grove double hit is better than to hits
Comes out faster and isn't bound to special

Aphrodite is nice for the 2,5 k but that's only good for bosses

Artemis on one bar is just 100 damage
Potentially 300 damage arrow

A 1 bar zeus puts out way more

[leaden whale]

Yeah, I don't have trouble with anything but the bosses and occasionally witches circle lol

[hot yoke]

And the max is just more arrows

[simple orbit]

So nothing about Minotaur Rush, hmm...

[hot yoke]

As I said

You don't want to fully charge your bull rish

You want it to be done as quickly as possible

So I'd advise against that

[simple orbit]

Alright

[hot yoke]

You want to spam empowered bspefial with chaos

[leaden whale]

At 1 bar zeus does 6 hits of 60, so yes if you have every strike hit, and they all hit the same target

But I don't usually have every strike hit because the radius is so small, and I don't always have only one target

[hot yoke]

Usually strikes will even hit multiple damage

[leaden whale]

Maybe if you built around it but like I said I feel like I have to get really close

[hot yoke]

I mean I play every weapon pretty close range lol

But at least with fists, sword and shield it should yield you good consistent damage

I can see your argument for rail and bow, maybe also spear

[leaden whale]

Maybe I'll try it some more but I always feel like I take unnecessary hits trying to stay really close too long

[simple orbit]

https://i.imgur.com/foMqpuI.png

What's the recommendation here

[hot yoke]

But in that case dio call is still arguably better

[leaden whale]

I like dio call a lot

[hot yoke]

You going for poison build?
Duo definetly

[simple orbit]

I only have a dash for hangover

[leaden whale]

Get the duo just for the fated list

[simple orbit]

nothing else

[hot yoke]

Dio grades a bit of damage for safer targeting

What are you building forM

What are you building forM

[simple orbit]

Random stuff honestly

Not getting what i want

[leaden whale]

Fated list is worth it alone

But it's also pretty strong reallh

[hot yoke]

That's an argument ye

[simple orbit]

Discord is being awful, my messages aren't going through

[leaden whale]

I'd find the dio call after if you can

[hot yoke]

Also the others are eh

[simple orbit]

I'll go with that then

[leaden whale]

Really strong combo

[hot yoke]

Just generally In a dio build

[leaden whale]

Boon I found way more useful than I thought is strong drink, that's surprisingly good

At least early on

But you also have to build all the fountains to make the most out of it

[hot yoke]

Drink is nice early on

Especially if you unlocked the mid stage ⛲

[leaden whale]

Yeah, end game I was like "wow. This gave me 25% damage. That's pretty nice."

And of course a lot of health

[hot yoke]

That's also nice when you have || reduced healing from pact||

[leaden whale]

Yeah I found that out too, it's good having a buffer

[hot yoke]

It's an extra safety net yeah

[bright sable]

guys quick question: should i start with coin purse or any other keepsake for early blessings?

[hot yoke]

Start with the gods keepsakes you want for your run

Purse is a good choice in elysium since most of your build should be done by then

Also don't start with tooth since it will always be the last deaths defiance used

[bright sable]

ye i use tooth for last boss battle

thx

[uncut parrot]

tried hidden shield for the first time

didn't even go past the 2nd boss but definitely interesting

looks like it goes well with ares cast

[sick grove]

if you want protection for the last battle, could try the Acorn

[hot yoke]

Acorn is better then tooth ye
But most people don't have it in the beginning

[uncut parrot]

at first I went with broken spearpoint instead of the corn but corn did help me a lot more

[iron storm]

do any of y'all run chaos egg!!

[urban dove]

not particularly but i wont stop you from using it, its not bad

[hot yoke]

Nah

The health trade-off isn't really a trade off xD

I would run it if it forced chaos

[iron storm]

i just like him

[bright sable]

woah chaos egg

[leaden whale]

I kind of like starting with coin purse with the 15% extra coin mirror perk if I'm just doing a run where I don't know how I want to build

[bright sable]

i use that

big pog

[urban dove]

i swap to coin purse for the last area

[iron storm]

HAHAH but i'm at a point where i haven't really found a preference between god boons yet so tartarus boon doesn't matter too much

omg coin purse for ||styx||???

[hot yoke]

I kind of like starting with coin purse with the 15% extra coin mirror perk if I'm just doing a run where I don't know how I want to build
@leaden whale eh initial 100 is better

[leaden whale]

The earlier you use the purse the more it's worth

[urban dove]

yea coin purse is good there

[leaden whale]

It might be but I make significantly more money with the other perk

[hot yoke]

You want to get as many boons from shops as possible
Also shops are free chambers

[iron storm]

ooo do u use the 5% darkness thing

or the extra coin upfront

[hot yoke]

So there's rarely a merit in saving up unless farming final shop bounties

[leaden whale]

I like to buy the diamond

🤷‍♂️

[hot yoke]

In the first two stages gods keepsakes are just so much more important

Diamonds become useless very quickly
Unless trading ofc

[bright sable]

true

[iron storm]

oo what do u usually run??

[urban dove]

im trying to complete prophecies atm so i gotta get all the duo boons

[leaden whale]

I need a ton of diamonds

Those songs are pricy

[hot yoke]

Well obviously byoh don't have to play like me

Fair for songs ye

I don't usually run anything
I pick my weapon, pick my aspect and then pre plan my build
I take the gods keepsakes accordingly

Usually i go god keepsake>god keepsake>purse>acorn

Maybe flower in third or fourth stage

[urban dove]

im stupid and just use the same build at all times lmao

[iron storm]

poseidon simppp

[urban dove]

yup

[merry otter]

Depending on if I don't get the right duos I might take a god keepsake in Elysium but that's pretty rare

[iron storm]

we absolutely stan

[urban dove]

poseidon + dionysus on sheild busted

[hot yoke]

Ehm

[leaden whale]

I liked poseidon on early shield aspects but I use mostly hidden now and the knockback is annoying with that one lol

[hot yoke]

Ok

Poseidon is nice on hidden

[leaden whale]

I kept knocking them out if range

Might be different now that I've maxed it

[urban dove]

the hidden one is mad fun but then i feel bad cause i get hit more :(

[leaden whale]

But have you got gud 😤😤😤

[iron storm]

oo how do u usually deal w the rats in styx???

[merry otter]

I just don't like how hidden feels tbh, maybe it's because I use Zeus shield though

[leaden whale]

Snack them

[urban dove]

i tend to use drunken flourish on zeus for a but load of stacks'

[iron storm]

i feel like knockbacks would be useful for them but i haven't had a chance to try it yet

[merry otter]

Zeus or any AoE attack works

[leaden whale]

Hidden with the charge shot thing is a lot of fun

[urban dove]

and with poseidon you can smack the rats into each other and after a breif moment of pinball everything is dead

[bright sable]

nice

[leaden whale]

I like rupture a lot too

For like 85% of enemies

[urban dove]

rupture + hangover + privleged status

[leaden whale]

Second wave 🌊 🌊

[simple orbit]

I have aspect of chiron
https://i.imgur.com/qFMx4RU.png

I'm guessing the third one?

[merry otter]

Yes

[simple orbit]

I just started my run

[leaden whale]

Yeah also finish your fated list

[merry otter]

If you get Concentrated Volley with it you'll be in heaven

[simple orbit]

Ok

[leaden whale]

The little symbol by the boon means you need it

[simple orbit]

What's a good plume to go along with that?

[hot yoke]

I'll post chiron builds lol

[leaden whale]

I like zeus or dio

[urban dove]

keepsake? orpheus's

[simple orbit]

Please do

[leaden whale]

Lots of shocks or hangovers

[hot yoke]

Chiron Aphro/artemis special|demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares and Aphro duo|doom attack with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points

[merry otter]

Artemis, Dionysus, or Aphro are probably the best picks

[iron storm]

bro the orpheus and eurydice tension 🥺🥺🥺

[hot yoke]

Try the doom one
You don't need duos
I'm just saying 1.1 k doom crits

[leaden whale]

I think aphro has the strongest base damage increase

[urban dove]

but weak is kinda bad

[leaden whale]

Weak is okish

[merry otter]

It's about the damage at the end of the day really

[leaden whale]

It's kind of a lose less skill

[urban dove]

weak is only good if you get hit, which is bad

[dusty gate]

She has a buff to all damage vs weak enemies

[hot yoke]

Aphros duos are nice
Also highest damage

[dusty gate]

Also your average player does get hit in runs

And her duos tend to be very very good

[hot yoke]

She's good regardless of you getting hit

She's had heart rend and smoldering air which are some of the best duos

[dusty gate]

She has a bunch of amazing ones

Extra hangover stacks with dio

[leaden whale]

She has like a 50% extra crit damage duo on weak enemies that I dig

[dusty gate]

Continuous doom damage with ares

[leaden whale]

The extra hangover is sweet too yeah

[dusty gate]

Casts doing back attack damage with Athena

[urban dove]

generally i find other gods alternative boons are better

[simple orbit]

@hot yoke https://i.imgur.com/ijh1FKM.png

Any suggestions here

[hot yoke]

Continuous doom damage with ares
@dusty gate that one is awful

What build are you going for

[leaden whale]

THE MIGHTY PARTING SHOT

[dusty gate]

I like it just fine

[hot yoke]

I don't say you can't like it

[simple orbit]

Anyone?

[hot yoke]

What build are you going for

[urban dove]

aid, you could probably get a better strike

[dusty gate]

When you’re doing the dio/ares/aph trifecta it’s a very nice source of additional damage

[leaden whale]

I've had it work good in a build that revolved around revenge triggering automatically

[simple orbit]

No idea

Just going for what you suggested

Didn't get anything from what you suggested yet since it's all rng

[hot yoke]

When you’re doing the dio/ares/aph trifecta it’s a very nice source of additional damage
@dusty gate you usually don't want an ares attack or special on a dio build

[dusty gate]

Ok?

[hot yoke]

Aid then ig

[dusty gate]

I often take ares attack and do just fine lol

And I’ve seen plenty of other people do it too

[hot yoke]

Also that would only work if you also took aphro dash for weak appliances

[dusty gate]

No

[leaden whale]

Ares attack can be pretty strong early game depending on the weapon

[dusty gate]

I do rush cast special chain

[hot yoke]

Yeah I've also seen a bunch of people vote for the NSDAP

[dusty gate]

It works fine

[iron storm]

lets gooo doom stacksss

bro the whole point of hades is that its customizable to ur playstyle

[simple orbit]

Rollingstone?

[hot yoke]

Ik

[dusty gate]

Ares attack dio special and aph cast on ||chaos|| shield

[hot yoke]

I'm not arguing that you can't take the duo

[leaden whale]

I did doomstacks with chiron bow spec and that was fun

[edgy tartan]

I'm totally bastardizing Coronacht and it's great. Explosive Shot + Triple Shot = turning a longbow into a shotgun

[hot yoke]

I'm just saying power level wise it's weak

[leaden whale]

But demeter chill explosions was way more fun 😂

[hot yoke]

With the legendary

Rollingstone?
@simple orbit aid ig

[leaden whale]

A great many asplosions.

[simple orbit]

ig?

[hot yoke]

It works fine
@dusty gate again I'm not saying it's not workable

[dusty gate]

I am just answering your questions lol

[hot yoke]

I'm just saying there's better options
If you happen to get it on a dio build it's fine

[dusty gate]

I think it is more than fine in that build

Which will qualify for it anyway

[hot yoke]

It's nothing I would deliberately go for

As I said

[dusty gate]

That doesn’t make it weak

[hot yoke]

Compared to other options it does

[dusty gate]

The fact that it exists when dio ares and aph already have such synergy makes it useful

[hot yoke]

It messes with your dooms damage appliance

[leaden whale]

@edgy tartan I had the original aspect with that large spec flurry and scraped through many of my early runs just using deflect and special 😂 wave after wave of don't touch me

[hot yoke]

If you apply boon on a regular basis it'll do more damage

[dusty gate]

I don’t purposefully go for slow projectiles dio/Athena either but I wouldn’t say it’s weak

[hot yoke]

Weak is a comparative term

[iron storm]

what call do u like the best

[hot yoke]

It's weak compared to the other options

[dusty gate]

I’m aware of what the word means lol

[hot yoke]

Doesn't mean it's useless

[dusty gate]

I didn’t say it was useless

[hot yoke]

Stacking doom or ME is always better

[dusty gate]

I didn’t say you said it was useless either

So I don’t get the point of this lol

[hot yoke]

And I said multiple times: it's fine on a hangover build

[iron storm]

[hot yoke]

[hard lichen]

suggested ||aspect|| to invest in for the fists? it's the only one i haven't cleared with yet other than the shield

[pulsar frigate]

||eris||

[hard lichen]

oops, wrong weapon lol

[pulsar frigate]

oh lol

||demeter is the best but needs full investment||

[hot yoke]

Invest in eris for every weapon honestly

[pulsar frigate]

||zag also works, and is cheap||

[dense laurel]

i prefer hidden fist personally

[hot yoke]

Elite

[bright sable]

why dont i have hades role?

btw

[dense laurel]

go to #bot-commands

[bright sable]

O O O O OH

thx

[hard lichen]

think i'll go and get some more ||titan blood and try to get a full investment||

[dense laurel]

yeah, dem fist need full invest imo

[hot yoke]

Just remember as long as you don't leave the courtyard you can quit out of the game if you don't like your investment

And wanna try something different

[uncut parrot]

for fate's completion (and achievement too iirc) you will want to clear the game with the hidden aspects at some point

[dusty gate]

I just use ||zag|| on fists and call it a day lol

I usually run builds that make me want to never press the special button

[hot yoke]

weird

[fiery monolith]

Do I need to clear to get more titan blood? I've cleared a fury with all my weapons

[hot yoke]

yep

[fiery monolith]

ah ok

[hot yoke]

also beating final boss

[dusty gate]

Or buy it in Styx

[hot yoke]

but that encompasses clearing

final shop can also have blood

[fiery monolith]

costs a lot in styx

[urban dove]

you get a titan blood for beating the final boss and then unlock more ways after that

[fiery monolith]

ah cool

[hot yoke]

try getting consistent at beating the game

therell be a lot more wys to earn after first time

[fiery monolith]

I can consistently hit Styx rn

just gotta work on keeping all the defies and on ||Big man hades 'imself||

[bright sable]

i lost a live becase of a trap

[dusty gate]

Are you using evergreen acorn?

[bright sable]

god i'm good at this game

[hot yoke]

theres enough wys of restoring dd

[dusty gate]

We all step on traps sometimes lol

[urban dove]

if you want a consistent way to beat the game, you can take it slow with bull rush, while charging you cant be hit from the front

[hot yoke]

pools, elysium npc and athena boons

[bright sable]

ye but losing a god dam live?

how can i be that bad

xd

[fiery monolith]

Are you using evergreen acorn?
@dusty gate yes, at full

[dusty gate]

You just stepped on it at the wrong time lol

[fiery monolith]

theres enough wys of restoring dd
@hot yoke yeah but I have to be lucky for them

[dusty gate]

Also ||companions|| help a lot because you can just burst down some problematic areas

If you don’t have one, it’s a good idea to make a beeline for ||meg’s||

[fiery monolith]

idk what that is

[frigid goblet]

is the evergreen acorn the "ideal" accessory for beating the game?

for first time

[fiery monolith]

I'd switch to it from elysium, personally

you can use others to get upgrades in the earlier chambers

[hot yoke]

styx

[fiery monolith]

alright Mr. Beat the game a billion times

not everyone's as good as you, I for one can't beat asterius & theseus without the acorn or losing a life

[hot yoke]

you are as good

you just dont know it yet

[bright sable]

woah

such nice words right there

[fiery monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751971234287190067/751987786906730587/quirrelmonocle.gif

[urban dove]

speakers what weapon do you use

[fiery monolith]

I main bow but I'm using shield on most runs coz it's easy

I don't mean this server, I mean their servers

I main bow but I'm using shield on most runs coz it's easy

[bright sable]

shield trash

no dmg high knockback

[frigid goblet]

only way i can beat asterius & theseus without losing a life is by using the shield, having Ares doom on my special, and cheesing Theseus from behind a pillar once I kill Asterius first

[urban dove]

yea, use bull rush more, you cant be hit from the front while charging

[hot yoke]

shield trash
@bright sable take that back

[bright sable]

no 😠

[fiery monolith]

none of me messages be sending, aye?

[dense laurel]

shield is safe

[dusty gate]

Discord machine broke

[bright sable]

sword,punches and bow top tier for sure

[urban dove]

sheild hits fast

[hot yoke]

i dont even play shield safe lol

[bright sable]

also gun

gun good

you go pew pew

[urban dove]

i greed so much with sheild lmao

[hot yoke]

every weapon is nice

[urban dove]

i like all of them except bow

[dusty gate]

||eris|| gun and ||chaos|| shield are great for early clears imo

[hot yoke]

i used to hate spears but my eyes were openend

[fiery monolith]

On my current run I have ||chaos|| with ares special

[urban dove]

but thats just because i play hyper aggr

[dusty gate]

Later on I prefer ||beowulf|| for the damage tho

[bright sable]

i dont use spear so i cant have opnion on that

[fiery monolith]

On my current run I have ||chaos|| with ares special

[frigid goblet]

what aspect do you like on spear, @hot yoke ?

[hot yoke]

nearly every weapon can achieve insane dps

what aspect do you like on spear, @hot yoke ?
@frigid goblet secret and hades

achilles is mor of a cast weapon

[frigid goblet]

im forcing myself to be decent with every weapon, Spear is the biggest struggle

[fiery monolith]

none of my messages are sending 😐

[dusty gate]

I just ignore spear lol

Yeah discord is messed up right now

[hot yoke]

im forcing myself to be decent with every weapon, Spear is the biggest struggle
@frigid goblet feel that, used to play achilles to cheat my spear clears

[dusty gate]

I cleared spear once for the prophecy then left it alone

[fiery monolith]

Huh, really? spear was the first weapon to get me to ||hades||

I dislike gloves the most

[hot yoke]

almost likje people have different preferences

[dense laurel]

fists and rails ez game

[bright sable]

gloves are the best tbh

[fiery monolith]

yeah yeah just putting in my two cents

[hot yoke]

every weapon is poggers

[dusty gate]

Merciful end gloves clear very fast

[frigid goblet]

i've not beat game yet though, just wanted to make sure i gave every weapon the chance before investing in an aspect

[bright sable]

every weapon is poggers
@hot yoke ye

[hot yoke]

just takes time

[bright sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/690310205367779350.gif?v=1

[fiery monolith]

FAKE NITRO

[hot yoke]

i've not beat game yet though, just wanted to make sure i gave every weapon the chance before investing in an aspect
@frigid goblet

[bright sable]

woah really???

didnt fcking know that

[dusty gate]

If there’s an aspect you like I say just crank it

[bright sable]

i fcking steal dummy

[fiery monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/751971234287190067/751988757405630545/weaverparty.gif

fake nitro gang

[dusty gate]

That’ll let you do higher heat and regain your investment

[hot yoke]

bruh that one gives me seizures

üps delete it

[bright sable]

sorry

[hot yoke]

thx

[dusty gate]

Excuse me while I swallow my tongue

Oh good it’s gone

[bright sable]

what

[urban dove]

real nitro gang

[bright sable]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/582977141046771743.gif?v=1

[dusty gate]

Lol

[frigid goblet]

Q: Does Athena's dash-deflect boon give more i-frames than normal dash?

[bright sable]

yee me have new gif thx

[dusty gate]

I don’t think so

[bright sable]

why

[urban dove]

[dusty gate]

The reflect box is very long tho

[hot yoke]

Q: Does Athena's dash-deflect boon give more i-frames than normal dash?
@frigid goblet no

but bigger not hurtbox

idk what to call it lolk

[frigid goblet]

Thanks, I will stop thinking it does 🙂

[hot yoke]

but it covers your dash strike better

[frigid goblet]

right, by bouncing projectiles away

[fiery monolith]

but bigger not hurtbox
@hot yoke deadzone?

[hot yoke]

usually you lose all invincibility as soon as you attack out of dash

[fiery monolith]

oh, bigger area of reflection

[dusty gate]

It’s not a not-hurt box

The hitbox on the reflect is very active

It lasts a while so it’ll stagger enemies sometimes

[fiery monolith]

big reflect hitbox

[dusty gate]

Yeah which also deals damage

So it’ll cause flinch sometimes

[frigid goblet]

Do people who like to clear the game with Malphon's Fists rely mostly on timing and dash i-frames, or do they tend to rely on lots of dodge & invuln boons, too?

maybe i should ask this in another channel lol

[hot yoke]

if you play zag aspect you go dodge

[dusty gate]

I don’t usually seek out the dodge boons

I think Athena call is great generally

[hot yoke]

plume, ruthless and dodge boons

[dusty gate]

Extra dashes and watching out for things is enough imo with the amount of damage you deal

[red frigate]

Hey I'm at the last heart on dusa, I have some ||ambrosia|| but I'm not prompted to give it.to her

[frigid goblet]

Thanks a ton for the answers, all 🙂

[bright sable]

time to fight final boss with 140hp and 2 lives (one of them is tooth)

[hot yoke]

Hey I'm at the last heart on dusa, I have some ||ambrosia|| but I'm not prompted to give it.to her
@red frigate random dialogue

[red frigate]

Thnks

[fiery monolith]

time to fight ||hades|| with 140hp and 2 lives (one of them is tooth)
@bright sable with two lives you should be good, but maybe ||spoiler out the word hades, I'm told anything after styx is a spoiler||

[uncut parrot]

how do you go about playing hidden rail? The basic attack it feels like a good idea to go for zeus like for eris rail but I'm not sure how to go about the special

[supple linden]

as speaker said ||hades|| is a spoiler

For the special i tend to use it between reloads

[bright sable]

really?

dam

my bad

i edited

the meesage

[supple linden]

I used Zeus for attack and for the special I'd lay it down if I wasn't expecting an enemy to go anywhere soon

@uncut parrot

but you'd be better off asking in #h1-builds-and-combat

[fiery monolith]

well, @bright sable this is the #h1-for-new-players channel

[uncut parrot]

got it

[dusty gate]

For special anything works really

[supple linden]

i will say I think Zues is the way to go for attack though. I thought Artemis would be nice but it is really underwhelming

[dusty gate]

It’s just a bit of extra damage during the rotation

I like Zeus, the gun has a very high rate of fire

The special is just kinda minor extra damage, I don’t pay it much mind

[uncut parrot]

my trouble were more about how to play with the special

[dusty gate]

I just use it and cancel into reload when I’m out of bullets

[uncut parrot]

for the attack it feels like zeus and rails are a match always

[dusty gate]

Otherwise you want the ramped up damage

Don’t want to interrupt the stream very much

[fiery monolith]

My first run with the gun I got poseidon attack and the Poseidon-Zeus duo, it was pretty good

[dusty gate]

It’s pretty good but the knockback can push enemies away from the guns limited range

[fiery monolith]

I guess, but when they are cornered it's just zap after zap after zap

[dusty gate]

For rail I usually go for Zeus legendary and trippy shot duo

Cast cancels into special which cancels into reload

[hot yoke]

eh

[uncut parrot]

my eris rail run I went with zeus on both attack and special, a few lightning and crit buffs, rocket launcher upgrade and 5 rockets upgrade

was pretty wild

[dusty gate]

Can build a full call gauge in seconds

[hot yoke]

poseidon special with sea storm is nicer imo

also support fire obvs

[dusty gate]

I’m not a fan

[hot yoke]

explains a lot

jk

[dusty gate]

They’re also not inconsistent lol

But I know you’re just gonna say whatever i say is bad at this point

[hot yoke]

huh

[fiery monolith]

how do you "go for zeus legendary"? I've never gotten a legendary

[dusty gate]

My few below ten minute clears are ||eris|| gun plus trippy shot duo and Zeus legendary

[hot yoke]

scintillating feast is awesome

more so om hera/a dedicated build tho

[dusty gate]

You turn on the legendary mirror perk

[hot yoke]

how do you "go for zeus legendary"? I've never gotten a legendary
@fiery monolith prereqs are in the codex

[dusty gate]

And then make sure to pick the prerequisites

Rerolling where necessary

[fiery monolith]

Ah I'm up to the 30 key barrier in mirror

[dusty gate]

You’re almost there then

[fiery monolith]

yep, it's the last one I believe

[hot yoke]

still needs to invest tho

[fiery monolith]

looks like it at least

[dusty gate]

Yeah it’s the last

[fiery monolith]

yeah true but unlocking it's the hard part

[hot yoke]

the last mirror perks are p costy

[dusty gate]

Actually they’re pretty expensive

[fiery monolith]

darkness is easier to find than keys

[dusty gate]

You’re not gonna cap them for a while

[fiery monolith]

yeah ok

I haven't even capped the ones I use

[dusty gate]

They’re several thousand to cap

Yeah

Takes some time

[fiery monolith]

I like this game, so I'll keep at it most likely

[hot yoke]

but youre also not supposed to cap them fast so nom worries

still need my last persuasion level

[edgy tartan]

Btw what status effects stack?

[harsh leaf]

Chill and Hangover

Doom with a special boon

[edgy tartan]

Perfect

Ty kindly

[foggy sparrow]

I heard Zeus is good with the spear? I only have Zagreus Aspect maxxed

[dusk elk]

zag spear is generally finsisfersd the worst weapon aspect

considered

[old skiff]

Only with Achilles

@foggy sparrow

Since it global damage buffs by 150% and boots Zeus’ attack from the cast.

Zag spear is 🗑

[foggy sparrow]

Yay, 5 blood wasted then

Eh, just wanted to unlock the ||secret aspects|| anyway

Why they locked that behind the spear is a mystery to me

[urban dove]

its a mystery to me to because i have some but have not maxxed out the spear??

[foggy sparrow]

It's just five blood in the spear

And maxxing the Zag aspect was exactly that

[torpid plank]

Hey all

[zinc dagger]

Spear is getting ||five aspects on any weapon||

[torpid plank]

Kind of newish, only been playing for a week

[foggy sparrow]

You have to get ||guan yu|| before being able to get the others. I could have done without the spear honestly, it kinda falls into the fists and rail for me as a weapon I just can't quite use correctly

[dusty gate]

Yeah, you actually have the unlock conditions off tho

😕

It’s ||unlock five other aspects||

Sorry 😕

[torpid plank]

||just “beat the game and got credits”|| what should I do next as far as efficiently grinding titans bloods? Just beat each beat with a new weapon?

[foggy sparrow]

🤔

[dusty gate]

Yeah

Just keep going for clears

[foggy sparrow]

Essentially

Play as long as it's still fun

[torpid plank]

It is still fun and ||epilogue stuff is fun||

[zinc dagger]

You should now have access to the ||pact of punishment|| which lets you add things and let’s you get the rewards again

There is also the epilogue you can go for

[foggy sparrow]

And the ||Skelly statues||

Come on boyo

Hit me

Fun fact, the voice actor for Skelly is the same as the voice actor for Zag, for anyone interested

Oh and he holds the fastest clear from the pre release builds among the dev team

[shy raptor]

holy crap

the real god

[foggy sparrow]

He also did something with the vocalists, I think

There's this vid of the devs reacting to a fresh save speedrun of Hades where they talk about him

On the IGN channel

[urban dove]

hes also orpheus's singing voice and the soundtrack composer

[regal wagon]

Darren Korb himself

[torpid plank]

What are ||skelly statues||

[dusk elk]

They’re literally just statues

[hot yoke]

shhh

theyre awesome displays of progress and skill

[harsh leaf]

What are ||skelly statues||
@torpid plank One would think they are self descriptive

[hot yoke]

T

[old skiff]

T

[torpid plank]

Thanks. Now that I have time I will google them 💀

[shy raptor]

so youre telling when zag talks to skelly its the same thing as when seth macfarlane records conversations for family guy

[zinc dagger]

Yes

[supple linden]

Can't wait for the next Supergiant game when Logan just voices every character

not relevant to what you said

but just sayin dude had a lot of roles

[hot yoke]

where logan does everything

except programming

[unborn bloom]

What's the point of hades ||if you just get killed by the styx?||

[hot yoke]

to get there quicker

also tag the name ig

[supple linden]

@unborn bloom what do you mean?

[hot yoke]

is there no escape?

is what they mean

[unborn bloom]

That's right

This game invests so much into the characters, which I love

But the protagonist ||doesn't get his happy ending||

[celest pebble]

hmmm

i'd say thats a spoiler but tbh he ||kinda does get his happy ending so...||

so i'd just say its not a spoiler, its wrong @unborn bloom

[unborn bloom]

So he get's to meet huge potential spoiler for anyone reading ||with all the Olympians, his mother and reach the surface?||

[celest pebble]

probably best to have this discussion in #h1-story-discussion

because im 100% not going to answer that question in here lol

[unborn bloom]

Fair enough

Lol

[desert sand]

Is there a way to see how many titan bloods I have in a weapon?

[urban dove]

math

[celest pebble]

yeah i usually do a count since you can see what upgrades you've done and hopefully know how much each upgrade costs

there should be a note somewhere on the wiki relating to the costs of each upgrade, i would think

[hot yoke]

But why should I count what I already put in lol

[celest pebble]

it only really matters to hit the 5/6 thresholds for the secret aspects

after that, i dont think it matters

[hot yoke]

Oh yeah

Me dum sry

[urban dove]

arent we all

[hot yoke]

[urban dove]

[sullen river]

[magic heart]

How do i increase chances for fishing? Other than poseidon boon?

[supple linden]

there is a store item that makes it a 100% chance but that's it

[magic heart]

What store item?

[supple linden]

Idk the name but it's just a fishing lure

[sand bridge]

the item is skeletal lure from well of Charon

makes it so you're guaranteed to get one fishing spot in the next room (if possible)

[buoyant thunder]

I seem to be stopped to a halt at the Elysium boss fight. Does anyone have any tips?

[celest pebble]

dodge thesius and focus on asterius (the minotaur) - the pillars are your friend, they stop everything

[leaden whale]

get the dionysus call, that always seems to make it easier for me

the blocking is a pain

[buoyant thunder]

When do the pillars stop asterius? It seems like his charge stops when he's close to a pillar, but it seems to be random when he does.

[celest pebble]

he has to basically ram it head on

you can kinda keep dodging/kiting him for a while and it'll just happen, but once you get the line and timing right you can just get him to smack straight into it

[candid nimbus]

Dashing into him as he approaches a pillar works too

can turn on a dime, but not 180 degrees

[buoyant thunder]

Dashing gives you i frames right?

[candid nimbus]

normal dash should yeah. Dash attacks don't

[buoyant thunder]

That makes sense. Dash attacks usually come after you dash anyways

[celest pebble]

yeah but the attack cancels the last part of the dash and you can get hit during that part now

[buoyant thunder]

Ohhh, i see what you mean now

[candid nimbus]

Yeah once you put the attack input in while dashing the frames are gone if I recall

[buoyant thunder]

Also, is the only way to get titan's blood by ||playing with heat||?

[safe niche]

its the best way

u can trade but its harder

[buoyant thunder]

After the initial 6 I mean

[rancid coyote]

Nah either heat or weapons

[celest pebble]

yes but remember it resets for each weapon

so you can play ||1 heat on each weapon for a full round of bounties from each boss||

same as clearing with each weapon 🙂

[rancid coyote]

Plus you can buy and trade titans blood at the final shop and trading area

[buoyant thunder]

I haven't gotten to the final shop yet, and so far the trader hasn't offered that option.

[safe niche]

its not really reliable yea

and if u do reach the final shop with enough gold to buy it u shld use that gold to clear the run instead

[buoyant thunder]

So unless the trader decides not to he stingy, I am capped for titan's blood until I complete a run.

[rancid coyote]

Yeah basically

[celest pebble]

pretty much

[rancid coyote]

Unless you have 1.2k for the final shop

[celest pebble]

i mean, you can technically trade your way up with gems and keys and nectar but its a slow and costly process

[buoyant thunder]

Oof! That's a lot of money

[rancid coyote]

Yeah

1k for a diamond

[celest pebble]

if you're not reliably finishing the final boss each run then i wouldnt bother with the final shop purchase

[rancid coyote]

How do I spoiler tag?

[buoyant thunder]

I've noticed nectar is starting to appear a lot less often now. I may get 1 every couple runs if I am lucky

[celest pebble]

type ||spoiler msg here| |

[rancid coyote]

On mobile

Ok

[buoyant thunder]

||like this||

[celest pebble]

minus the space in the 2nd set of ||

what? howd you do that without it being spoilered @buoyant thunder ?

magic? sorcery? hax?

[buoyant thunder]

Skirovik, you can use \ to cancel it.

[celest pebble]

learn something new everyday ❤️

[rancid coyote]

||you can fight Charon and get a 20% discount on the final shop to make titans blood or diamonds a bit cheaper||

[buoyant thunder]

Oh, that was a significant spoiler. Oh well

[rancid coyote]

oof sorry ||he's a secret boss, not very story related though||

[celest pebble]

||not to mention you also get a bag of 300 gold|| - this spoiler is tied to the above spoiler(s), dont click on this if you dont want to click on that

[buoyant thunder]

I've made the mistake of reading the spoilers twice now, I won't do it again xp

[rancid coyote]

Oh yeah ||you need to try and "borrow" 300 gold behind Charon to start the fight||

[buoyant thunder]

The second spoiler was pretty much solidifying the idea of the first, so it wasn't too bad in comparison.

[rancid coyote]

So is the one I just put

[buoyant thunder]

I'm not looking 🙈

[rancid coyote]

good idea lmao

As long as you avoid spoilers for the ending you're fine

[buoyant thunder]

I have seen gameplay of Hades before I picked it up. I know what the final battle is

[rancid coyote]

Yeah but when you beat him ||10|| times the real ending happens. Plus there's an ||epilogue||

[buoyant thunder]

La la la la la, I'm not listening! 🙉

[rancid coyote]

lmao ok Bob ross

[celest pebble]

no need to post end-game spoilers unless requested

[buoyant thunder]

In regards to Duo boons, what are the conditions needed to get them? Is it two boons from the two gods?

[celest pebble]

the requirements vary depending on the duo boon, but they all require 1 boon from each god before they can appear/trigger

[buoyant thunder]

Oh, so there are extra conditions? Does the Codex tell us about them?

[safe niche]

not just 1 boon

usually it needs to be attack/special/dash i think

or call im not 100% sure

best way is to check the wiki

[rancid coyote]

no not the wiki

Eventually you can get a boons list from the contractor

[celest pebble]

yeah the info is in the codex and its on the wiki

[rancid coyote]

That shows boon requirements for legendary and duo boons

[buoyant thunder]

Ah okay. I got that upgrade from the contractor, I just haven't looked at it yet

[rancid coyote]

Oh cool

How many hours do you have on the game?

[buoyant thunder]

My guess is around 6 or 7. I picked it up last night. I was hesitant about it, but I finally gave in. Unsurprisingly, Supergiant games is good at making games 😎

[rancid coyote]

Oh wow nice

I'm about 30 hours in

Just beat the main story for the first time a few hours ago

[buoyant thunder]

Congrats!

[rancid coyote]

Thanks!

[buoyant thunder]

Is it just me, or does Hermes only give Lvl 1. Boons? I've never seen him give out an upgraded boon.

[rancid coyote]

wdym?

no boons start at more than one level

[pastel cipher]

Except through exchanges which are rare

[buoyant thunder]

I've never seen him give any rare/epic/heroic boons

[rancid coyote]

Do you mean rarity? Because he does give out rare and legendary boons

[sterile solar]

he doesnt like you coz

[buoyant thunder]

It's always been common

[sterile solar]

yeah he means rarity

[rancid coyote]

oof that's just bad luck

[sterile solar]

^

olympian favor to the rescue

[buoyant thunder]

Well, I just think he's too hasty and doesn't have time to give me actually decent boons 😆

[rancid coyote]

lol he's too busy running

[buoyant thunder]

I take it back, he hasn't given me bad ones. They are just not as good as they could be :/

[rancid coyote]

you can always try and get euridyce to upgrade them

[modern pike]

I have given 2 nectar to ||bouldy but haven't received anything from him?||

[rancid coyote]

Yeah he doesn't give you anything

[modern pike]

I read he does

But was wondering if I need to give more nectar?

[merry otter]

Give nectar to believe in Boudly

[rancid coyote]

he gives you a ||companion|| along with sysaphus. Just do sys's quest line

[modern pike]

Ok then, thank you

[rancid coyote]

iirc

You may need to do more research on the wiki but I think I'm correct

[modern pike]

Alright, I'll check it out

Apparently he does this:

||https://hades.gamepedia.com/Bouldy||

[safe niche]

yea dont give him anything its a scam

[celest pebble]

you should get a small benefit

there's a small chance you get nothing though, which is sad 😦

you'll have to check your boons list in-game to see what you got from him

[modern pike]

Yeah I have given nectar 2 times and didn't get anything

[safe niche]

yea the benefit is super small

which is not worth it really

[modern pike]

I'll focus on giving to others

[safe niche]

yea thats btr

[celest pebble]

yeah unless you're swimming in the stuff its usually not worth it to give it to him/her/them

[safe niche]

yea

[buoyant thunder]

He's basically a meme, which is why you must give bouldy all the nectar

I heard if you give Bouldy a million nectars then you can win a free cruise!

Or was it a trillion nectars? I don't remember. Well, one way to find out!!

[old skiff]

Giving Bouldy nectar gives you nothing except a boost in runs. Though you need to talk to him to be able to befriend Sisyphus to the max.

[cinder pulsar]

Even then the bonuses Bouldy gives tend to be pretty small

It's an OK nectar sink though

[old skiff]

It’s a way to spend nectar when you don’t need it but I recommend buying diamonds with em at the wretched broker

[sullen river]

[old skiff]

[merry otter]

yea dont give him anything its a scam
Heresy

[sour kite]

Give all your nectar to bouldy. This is not a request

[inner ridge]

Give all your nectar to Meg

Or Achilles

[merry otter]

Meg is temporary. Bouldy is forever.

[shy raptor]

is farming coin to save up to buy the blood/diamond/ambrosia in the last shop area worth my time

||or should i just be turning up the heat||

[safe niche]

turn it up fam

[shy raptor]

noooooooo

im too weak for this

[safe niche]

u get used to it dont worry

[shy raptor]

youre probably right

trial by fire

grr

[uncut parrot]

also keep in mind that you can get everything from the trader too

gems to keys, keys to nectars, nectars to diamonds

and diamonds to whatever you want

[sour kite]

||or should i just be turning up the heat||
@shy raptor there is no incorrect way to play this game

do as you like. But keep giving nectar to Bouldy

[mental barn]

Hello i have a question, i upgraded my shield of chaos and my special changed, am i able to use my shield old special or is it forever gone

[cedar rose]

You changed aspects. Aspects can be interchanged freely. You didn't "upgrade" so much as you sidegraded (although, to be frank, I'd argue that any of the aspects are better than the basic Aspect of Zagreus version), you didn't lose anything, and this is all obvious if you just open the menu and experiment.

Alternatively, are you referring to a Daedelus Hammer upgrade? I can't think of one that changes your special in a way that'd make you want to go back . . . but yes, it's there for the rest of the run, unless you buy an Anvil of Fate and that effect is sacrificed.

[dense laurel]

i'd argue that any of the aspects are better than the basic Aspect of Zagreus version

Oh boy

[ivory ocean]

beat the bone hydra for with only 2 health, that was stressful

[dense laurel]

you will get used to it the more u play

[mental barn]

@cedar rose thanks!

[upbeat swallow]

when seeing an exclamation mark chamber, can you know which of the ||3 NPCs|| will it be before entering?

[safe niche]

its specific to the floor ur at

[sand bridge]

the npcs are ||always the same for each zone||

[upbeat swallow]

oh

ok that makes sense lol ty

[dense laurel]

its always ||sisyphus, eurydice, Patroclus||

[craggy gust]

Hey! I'm at ||heat 8||.. ||just got the first statue||.. so I'm fairly new.
What build would be the easiest to climb ||heat|| with?

[stuck furnace]

Chiron's Coronacht is a fairly safe weapon overall

At least, it's the weapon I got my ||16 and 32 Heat|| clears with.

[hot yoke]

@craggy gust first off please tag ||heat|| and ||statue|| since those are considered spoilers

@stuck furnace also pls

[stuck furnace]

Didn't know they were, sorry!

[hot yoke]

It's more about proper builds and weapon Preference I'd say
Obvs eris is very strong but not all people like it

No worries m8

[stuck furnace]

Is there a list of spoilers to mark somewhere?

Oh, everything beyond 1st clear, just saw the pins

[hot yoke]

Including final boss

[stuck furnace]

Yep

[craggy gust]

Oh sorry. Fixed it

And I found a good one that worked alright:)

[hot yoke]

Awesome to hear!

Best of luck

[thick maple]

Hi guys

I think I understand how the ||God Keepsakes|| work in Tartarus but are you supposed to ||change keepsakes after you get to Asphodel or Elysium because the God ones don't really work later?||

[rancid coyote]

They do work later you just need to change the god keepsake. You don't need to change the at all though

[thick maple]

What is the thing that people usually do? If you're hunting for synergies or duos do they put in that other god keepsake, or swap to something else for a different effect?

Something else like non god keepsakes

[pulsar frigate]

usually i go different god keepsakes in tart/aspho, depending on what build i'm looking for

[foggy sparrow]

I go
1-god
2-purse/different God
3-Acorn/purse if not used previously
4-Acorn

[pulsar frigate]

i usually just go god/god/acorn/acorn or spearpoint

[dusty gate]

I almost always go boon/boon/purse/acorn

If I get really lucky and get what I want naturally I sometimes go boon/poms/purse/acorn

Sometimes I need to go boon/boon/boon acorn

[uncut parrot]

how do you go about playing hidden spear? the ||hp regen|| feels really low considering the downsides of the weapon and the attack time

[pulsar frigate]

have you tried building the special? it goes very well with the charged skewer hammer