i only brought them up in the context of where sgg stands, which isn't too far off topic but it's fine
#h1-for-new-players
hot yoke
Jk
unborn bloom
Hey I just finished my 9th attempt and I've faced off with the 3rd boss (bosses). Any tips on how to dodge the guys bullets and effectively kite that minotaur?
charred flower
but yeah i saw someone mention an idea for hades dlc
safe niche
to dodge his spear stay behind a pillar
charred flower
something like godhome in hollow knight, where you have boss runs that basically consist of you fighting combinations of bosses, one after the other
that would be cool
safe niche
theres a crosshair icon on u which indicates when ur being aimed at
charred flower
hades has a lot of cool bosses
hot yoke
"a lot"
unborn bloom
Great thanks. I'm aware of his crosshair
pastel cipher
||heat is spoilers in this channel|| @hot yoke please use spoiler tags ^_^
half fractal
I dash through Pillars to get Asterius to crash into them.
unborn bloom
The speed of his projectile seem so fast, I can't deflect it
safe niche
The speed of his projectile seem so fast, I can't deflect it
yea its hard unless u have deflect dash and dash into him
charred flower
oh yeah
hot yoke
Bruh is said ||EM1|| xD
charred flower
i've seen ||6||
safe niche
which i wouldnt recommend since its safer to hide behind a pillar
charred flower
haven't gotten through everything tho
unborn bloom
Pillars noted
That's all I was looking for because he seemed annoying for backline whilst getting bum rushed by the tank
left root
I've been playing the game, and I think I've gotten to the final boss, on my eigth attempt, and is there anything past that dude?
humble grotto
What was the final boss lmao
hot yoke
A lot
unborn bloom
@left root That's where the fun begins
hot yoke
You've barely scratched the surface
unborn bloom
From what I've been spoiled anyways
hot yoke
Spoiled yourself xD
humble grotto
I almost escaped yesterday lmao my dumbass thought I had death defiance and was being lazy but n o p e
hot yoke
Pro tip: certain athena boons can also restore DD's
humble grotto
Restore yes, I don't think it causes em to stack up
hot yoke
Nope
humble grotto
Cause I already took that boon, but had a use of DD left
hot yoke
But chaos has a legendary that ||gives you a dd||
hot yoke
Athena works as long as you have at least one empty dd slot
humble grotto
Mhm noted
unborn bloom
What does dd stand for
hot yoke
The urge to click on that spoiler
@humble grotto well now you know xD
humble grotto
Death defiance
humble grotto
kek
unborn bloom
My dumbass thought it was Return By Death like in that one anime lmaoo
humble grotto
Gifting skelly nectar for the first time gives you the thingy which is just DD
So you could have 2 DD's really early on
hot yoke
Or ||4|| of them
unborn bloom
I have 2 from mirror and 1 from skelly
I saved juices but looked up keep sakes and thought skelly's was op
hot yoke
Acorn is better lol
humble grotto
Acorn?
stark hawk
wait if you have the keepsake from skelly and you die in a chamber while you have dd which does it use first?
humble grotto
lmao does it matter which one it uses first
stark hawk
isnt there a chamber specific dd
unborn bloom
Athena can't restore skelly's keepsake ??@humble grotto
humble grotto
Right yeah
stark hawk
so if you die in a single chamber it resets in the next chamber
hot yoke
It's a mirror option
stark hawk
yeah
humble grotto
Yeah restores your health to 30% per chamber
At least at the base stats
humble grotto
I agree
hot yoke
Because as sd will always only be once per room
stark hawk
wait dd is multiple times?
humble grotto
Getting past theseus brings me satisfaction on a spiritual level
hot yoke
Unless you get a certain legendary boon but that one is very rare
I've gotten it like 3 times in 130+ hours
stark hawk
bruh
humble grotto
I've never even gotten a legendary boon lmao
stark hawk
what
humble grotto
H o l y
hot yoke
But limited use
stark hawk
thats what
humble grotto
How much could you use that for though
stark hawk
bro what
hot yoke
I mean if you have 3DD's you can die 3 times in a eoom
stark hawk
Unless you get a certain legendary boon but that one is very rare
I've gotten it like 3 times in 130+ hours
@hot yoke can you tell me the name of the boon pls
hot yoke
Sry I formulated that really confusing guys
humble grotto
I love your pfp btw
stark hawk
bouldy 🥰
hot yoke
It's the best character in the game yeah
Thx
Well you have to met prerequisites for legendaries to show up
stark hawk
ooh
unborn bloom
I've gotten 3 legendaries from my first 4 hours of playing I believe
stark hawk
what
hot yoke
You can find them in the codex
If you buy the extended codex from the contractor
stark hawk
wait is heroic and legendary the same thing
humble grotto
huh? First 4 hours? Bruh what?
hot yoke
Heroic is highest rarity
stark hawk
ok i was wondering
unborn bloom
I remember getting heroic from upgrading
hot yoke
Same as duo
stark hawk
so you need to meet certain conditions and unlock stuff to get legendary boons
oooh legendary is completely different
did not know that
hot yoke
You can get heroics either by getting a trade offered for a core boon from the gods, a certain gods boon or a certain npcs item
unborn bloom
Don't forget the musician who offers level upgrades
hot yoke
You don't "unlock" it
You need to meet the prereqs each run for it to have a chance to show up
stark hawk
yeah getting heroics wasnt that hard atleast for me
hot yoke
Don't forget the musician who offers level upgrades
@unborn bloom as I said "npc"
hot yoke
The additional DD is a ||chaos legendary|| boon
stark hawk
oh goddamn
hot yoke
You're bound to get it by just picking up his stuff
unborn bloom
What's the drawback chaos will offer for that boon
stark hawk
oh its random bruh
hot yoke
Not particularly harder imo
stark hawk
also can you give hades the second nectar like whenever
or is it like a scripted thing and you can only give it to him at a certain time or something like that
humble grotto
No clue
hot yoke
Story progress
hot yoke
You might even get something from him
stark hawk
im not able to give him 2 nectars so i thought maybe its a glitch or something
hot yoke
It's not
humble grotto
Since the heart has a keyhole it probably unlocks one of the two locked doors
stark hawk
maybe
hot yoke
You'll find out
humble grotto
one day yes
humble grotto
How2Hades pls hjelp
hot yoke
Play game
Best game
Unlock stuff
supple linden
how to unlock the 2 doors
-
try opening it, maybe its not actually locked
-
perhaps it's a push door and you're pulling?
supple linden
no >:I
formal rover
500 hours in late game reveal oh the door to Dad’s room was just stuck; should’ve pushed it harder
hot yoke
||_________||
supple linden
|| ||
formal rover
no idea what y’all are agreeing to; i’m certainly not clicking on those very narrow spoilers
probably they’ll ruin the whole plot for me
hot yoke
Conspicuous things
sullen river
why is zag so short
formal rover
he didn’t eat his greens
supple linden
We are talking about how the final boss is actually Zagreus's evil twin Darkgreus
formal rover
you think they got broccoli in the underworld?
sullen river
hot yoke
Grrrr darkgreus
formal rover
We are talking about how the final boss is actually Zagreus's evil twin Darkgreus
@supple linden not... Zigreus?
supple linden
that's a terrible name for an evil twin
hot yoke
Oh. No
sullen river
zigzag
supple linden
how are they going to know its not evil if you dont put dark in front of it
formal rover
that would imply the existence of a darkzagreus
formal rover
parallel universe, yo
supple linden
actually zagreus's real name is Eggreus, his evil twin Eggreus tells him so.
good Eggreus pronounces egg like eh-guh
evil Eggreus pronounces it A-guh
hot yoke
Hmm smells cursed
fervent socket
||well spoilers are much easier to type on a computer now||
also if you read greek myth you know that ||zagreus is persephone's son||
hot yoke
Yeah but we're on a game server not a greek mythology server xD
fervent socket
is it still a spoiler if you've had 2500 years to read up about it?
a spoiler so huge you learn it barely an hour in
hot yoke
Just because it's a game about greek myth doesn't mean it will follow it 100%
There are different interpretations about it
Idk huge is overdoing it ig
fervent socket
||jesus dies on page 274||
hot yoke
Still why are you so pent up about consideredation for people who are not on your level of knowledge?
Not like you have to jump through major hoops for it
fervent socket
Because you called it like I was revealing some groundbreaking game shifting spoiler
that you learn super early even in the game
supple linden
man people get so angry about being told to spoiler tag stuff it's pretty funny
fervent socket
how am I supposed to know that it's some big spoiler later on in the game
fervent socket
next thing I know i'm being told to not tell stuff past styx
I've not even reached styx yet
hot yoke
As I said it's not
Everything's ok
Calm down
dense laurel
whos styx
hot yoke
That's the only possible nice outcome
fervent socket
it would be double nice
hot yoke
Well guess it's a loss either way
fervent socket
biden wins georgia, and trump takes back all the other states, and there we go, 69-69
nice
dense laurel
no politics here btw go to #off-topic-discussion
hot yoke
Kbm or gamepad?
fervent socket
?
hot yoke
Are you playing controller or keyboard mouse?
fervent socket
switch
hot yoke
Set reload to L
fervent socket
don't even have summons yet
hot yoke
Oh yeah
||companions|| are a spoiler too xD
fervent socket
... I only know about those because of the options menu
hot yoke
Tf options menu?
fervent socket
like when setting controls
hot yoke
Oh yeah lol
hot yoke
But the point is : I'm assuming you're not fully aware of what they are
Or do you mean calls?
fervent socket
which I presume summon stuff to fight for you
hot yoke
You'll find out
hot yoke
Oooh nice profile pic
sullen river
thank you~~~
fervent socket
who
hard lichen
probably calzone
heady comet
What are some good active boons for|| excalibur|| other than crit or weak?
hot yoke
There are none
Jk
You can take double edge hammer
Heart rend and hunter dash
Or go athena
heady comet
Also for final boss w/ melee weapons do you just wait for him to attack then u go in?
hot yoke
More or less yep
heady comet
Cuz the videos i watched were just someone like spamming attack and killing in 5 secs
hot yoke
That's if you're build goes very well
heady comet
Not very helpful for me lol
hot yoke
In the end it's again a practice thing ig
Dash's strike might help you a lot there
Or just buffer and dash until.tje third hit
heady comet
Ok thx
uncut parrot
I started a run with artemis' keepsake, I'm now at the 2nd area and I still want more boons of her, will keeping the keepsake guarantee me another one again?
safe niche
i dont think so
safe niche
yepp
cinder pulsar
@uncut parrot No, but it will guarantee that any future boons you find from her will be more likely to be blue or better
safe niche
thats what he said
sterile solar
yeah is a 1 time summon
sand escarp
This is an example
https://hades.gamepedia.com/Ares
lavish delta
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1P6oZ6i8zmY6s7PM_AkX_g6bjZ601iP_xi9CxzEpujJ4/edit?usp=sharing
i think nyaanyaa mewmew made it, i'm not sure
gray haven
I did.
craggy sage
Hiya!
I'm having some problems making a decision ||on the last talent row, how does the Fated options work? Should I go for Authority or Persuasion?||
safe niche
||authority changes what will be in the room persuasion rerolls the 3 options u can choose from, i think persuasion is better|| @craggy sage
craggy sage
||Aaah, right! So if I use Authority i.e if theres a boon from one god, it changes it to something else?(or another boon?) but persuasion changes the things you get when you open the boon or upgrade?|| if I understand it correctly @safe niche
safe niche
yea i think so
craggy sage
Okay, thank you so much 😄
safe niche
np :)
latent jolt
Hey guys question involving how a boon interacts with a daedalus upgrade. Should that go here or in a different channel?
uncut parrot
it can go there
dusty vector
can ||Hades|| be slowed?
not through chill, through the hammer upgrade to the ||rail gun||
gentle needle
can someone help me with my mirror?
slim vale
wdym
final robin
theres a pin about it in "hades stories and spoilers" channel
final furnace
ye if you dont safe it
sour kite
otherwise your TB is locked in forever
hardy sierra
Father got me 😫
final furnace
that really sucks
sour kite
actually a ||spoiler even though it's vague||
hardy sierra
ah damn yes sorry
didn't even had a good build and left a lot of hp in the last chambers
final furnace
they should add that you can reset your titans blood
just like with the mirror
perhaps using a key or
sour kite
I'm fine with it not resetting TB personally
hardy sierra
I was confused that I didn't stand up again, Skelly's tooth or death defiance didn't work
final furnace
well I used all my TB on the shield I never use
sour kite
ah damn yes sorry
@hardy sierra it's okay just spoiler the ||father part|| please thank you
final furnace
just bc i wanted try it out
sour kite
Yah it's annoying but, Ambrosia can be used to trade for TB ||very well in the early metagame||
hardy sierra
@hardy sierra it's okay just spoiler the ||father part|| please thank you
@sour kite yeah will do for sure, need to get used to it
sour kite
Correct
final furnace
ye I did that
hardy sierra
I was confused that I didn't stand up again, Skelly's tooth or death defiance didn't work
@hardy sierra does somebody know something about that or is it my mistake?
final furnace
is thewre any use of Ambrosia?
hardy sierra
is there some reason these are cancelled
final furnace
for what exactly
lavish delta
it's just ||cooler nectar||
||you give it to npcs||
you can also upgrade stuff with it later on
final furnace
I like that the game rewards you for playing unique weapons but it sucks you cant get another TD from using the same weapon (or anyother boss reward) bc of the no refund
sour kite
Yah I mean maybe it's just cuz I'm fine with doing 100+ runs but
I've never felt like TB was an issue
lavish delta
i play with ||level 1 aspects|| because of buyer's remorse
hardy sierra
how much health are you picking up on a typical run, whatever typical means
lavish delta
except ||chiron|| and ||chaos||
final furnace
idk I mostly have 200-300 hp at the final boss
sour kite
depends on the build... 160 is a decent basline if you're playing something with good defence. 300+ to be comfy if you're inexperienced with fists/sword
Like I barely pick up Centaur Heart rooms with shield
final furnace
I always try to hit 200
sour kite
Feel like it's a waste of resources
hardy sierra
yeah damage feels good
lavish delta
i pick up every other heart with the bow
sour kite
again depends on the bow. I find Chiron to be fine without too much hp
hardy sierra
I died with 160/300 hp
sour kite
ofc experience is everything
you will need more max HP when you're less good at the game
lavish delta
yeah
hardy sierra
I would say I'm decent at my best
sour kite
since it synergises with Death Defy
final furnace
I mean my most succesful runes were the ones where I had a lot of hp and a lot blocks
hardy sierra
focus is everything
final furnace
makes sense bc it makes it easier
lavish delta
i once had 1500 effective health and athena dash
hardy sierra
wow thats possible? I think I just dipped into the possibilities of the game
lavish delta
by effective health i meant with revives
sour kite
Don't forget that DR can really bump up those EHP numbers very quickly
hardy sierra
yeah well I only ever got back 50hp or so
sour kite
the bigger your hp pool, eventually DR will become more effective than max hp
for increasing EHP
lavish delta
but yes there's an aphrodite boon that makes you get more max health from items
sour kite
anyone who's played dota will intuitively understand this
yah i mean
Life Affirmation is a super good boon
I daresay at every tier of play
lavish delta
@sour kite what does DR mean if you don't mind me asking
sour kite
Damage Reduction 
sour kite
it's ok
SGG discord= lots of acronyms
LOTS of acronyms
what does SGG stand for again?
lavish delta
there's an acronym for everything
foggy sparrow
What's the first ||heat|| I should go for?
I'm running ||The one that spawns more enemies|| for now
sour kite
@foggy sparrow|| Jury Summons 1 is probably one to avoid but let's be honest anything can work at 1 heat. Damage Control is fine, Tight Deadline 1 is fine if you're doing sub 36 runs. I wouldn't overthink 1 heat tbh||
cedar rose
I absolutely contend that ||Heightened Security|| is the most free at low ||Heat||. People often don't try it until they're already stressing several others, in which case it becomes a pain, but when you don't have too many other such effects in play, it's cakey.
lavish delta
i think newer players struggle with traps so that's a lot of damage taken for no reason
sour kite
||Hmmm. Perhaps it's something worth practicing. But at 1 heat it feels like terrible value for heat.||
humble grotto
See joining this place was a bad idea there's so many spoiler and c u r i o u s i t y
cedar rose
I dunno', man. Seems like avoiding traps is a pretty core part of the game. If you can handle combat well enough to beat the game at all, you ought to be either already great at not getting hit by traps . . . or incurring some serious shock therapy until you git gud, as they say.
humble grotto
Self control? what's that
lavish delta
sure, but there are other, less punishing options for you to learn the combat first
the first time i beat the game was pure luck
uncut parrot
is the lava considered a trap?
humble grotto
I mean does it matter
uncut parrot
got it
humble grotto
If it hurts avoid it
uncut parrot
but my dash is trigger-happy
cedar rose
It's a bit redundant, because yes, it's absolutely a trap.
Lava damage is 100% disabled while standing in a spoiler.
cedar rose
Yeah, but this is merciful toward his curiosity.
foggy sparrow
And to be fair, in the heat of combat, it's not too difficult to get hit by a few traps
And I do tend to dash into lava on accident a lot, seeing as the shield is based on constant movement anyway
sour kite
||Broker trading, Act 2 boss, Prophecies||
true eagle
why does each weapon give me rewards or something
I was just playing with the sword the whole time
sour kite
||Because collecting bounties into the endgame is weapon specific||
true eagle
So it matters right now that I use all of them?
lavish delta
if you want to unlock more stuff, yeah
but you can just play with one and beat the game like that
if you really like that one weapon
tame hill
well even doing that it's worth beating furies with the other weapons at least to get the titan blood
cedar rose
You should be learning to play the game with variety. It's healthier and more fun that way.
sour kite
It's worth persevering with each of the weapons, ||you unlock way more content that way||
cedar rose
Plus, not all Infernal Arms are made equal, and not all aspects of them.
You may find that Stygius just can't get you the W, but once you learn to spam dash-strikes with Coronacht, you win for free.
Further, follow the Dark(er) Thirst. Getting more metacurrency is delightful.
cedar rose
You never get to "I thought at first that Malphon sucked, but now, it's my favorite," if you end up quitting because "I stay sword and am the succ."
The bow is ridiculously good, yes.
foggy sparrow
It depends on how you want to play
cedar rose
It's the favorite for many players.
foggy sparrow
I personally love the mobility of the shield
Others love the haha, weapon go ratatata of the rail
I'll still have to learn how to use that one correctly. It's just really not for me so far
cedar rose
The basic aspect of Coronacht works just fine. The other aspects are even better, with the hidden one holding some of the highest records for ||high Heat runs||.
foggy sparrow
Just don't make the mistake I did and spread your blood over different aspects thinking they're just upgrades
They're different weapons and mutually exclusive to one another
true eagle
I dont know what any of that means
I dont even know how to use titans blood
or what it does
foggy sparrow
Skelly has choice words for that issue
sour kite
Yah that's why most of these things are considering spoilers in this channel
it confuses new players
cedar rose
Right, and you won't until after you've unlocked all the basic forms of the weapons and spoken to Skelly, and maybe Achilles.
So just don't sweat the details, for now.
foggy sparrow
Aspects are spoilers?
Alright then
Though I'd have liked to have known of them early on, I wasted so much blood
cedar rose
Try all of the Infernal Arms. Let your Dark Thirst guide you at to what you're trying next.
sour kite
||Aspects, heat, Hidden aspect names, Pact names, story events ||are all spoilers in this channel. Think that's probably a comprehensive list.
cedar rose
Are even the basic Aspects considered spoilers in here . . .? Really . . .?
sour kite
||Aspects ||are spoilers because they confuse new players who haven't completed the game once yet
foggy sparrow
They're like essential knowledge
sour kite
I didn't set the rules
foggy sparrow
And you ger them way earlier than your first W
formal rover
if ||aspects|| are spoilers here, boy is that a rule that gets broken a lot
i think its technically true tho
And you ger them way earlier than your first W
@foggy sparrow you do?
exotic dagger
I didn't even know ||aspects|| were a thing until I rechecked something by accident, and I'm 19 hrs in and with a W lol
cedar rose
Yeah, look, if you say that everything from the first win on plus the 300% obvious identity of the final boss is a spoiler, sure, okay, but aspects? Naw. Those are a basic part of the game.
You learn about them early.
foggy sparrow
I disagree with that rule, but hey
@formal rover yeah, unlocking all the weapons doesn't take long
The secret ones are also accessible before the first W, I think
formal rover
unlocking the weapons, yeah, but the ||alternate aspects?||
been a while since i did it, but i thought that was post first win stuff
sour kite
Just look at dylanhak. He had no idea what you were on about
cedar rose
Just, like, don't fart around about using your Chthonic Keys. Use them to unlock all Infernal Arms so that you can properly follow your Dark Thirst, and aspects come right away.
foggy sparrow
That's because he's like super new
sour kite
The rules are more stringent here because it's #h1-for-new-players
That's literally all that it is
cedar rose
Yeah, man, he's literally played two weapons, one only once. No duh, he doesn't understand things.
foggy sparrow
Then people shouldn't get annoyed when I ask stuff in #h1-builds-and-combat and learn that I haven't even won yet
sour kite
when did people get pissy? probably shouldn't be getting pissy at you
unnecessary as I would say
cedar rose
No one got pissy. I advised you to stay out of the channel because that one is full spoilers allowed.
If you already spoiled yourself, hey, you're free to do what you want.
foggy sparrow
By that point I'd reached ||Hades|| multiple times
cedar rose
It's just a word of advice taken from a rule of thumb.
cedar rose
There's really quite a bit left, yeah.
The fact that there are hidden aspects is no secret. What those aspects are is conaidered spoilery.
Stuff that unlocks after W1 is varied and plentiful. There's stuff left to spoil. Again, if you're okay with that, that's fine, but you can't be mad at someone for being thoughtful enough to warn you in case you wouldn't be okay with it.
foggy sparrow
Hey I'm not mad
Just confused
Okay so, I really don't understand what people love so much about ||Exagryph||
It really just doesnt work for me
sour kite
||it's a ranged weapon with an insane special? And has some of the best aspects?||
I find it pretty unfun compared to the other weapons but, it certainly has big upsides
foggy sparrow
But it's a lobbed special
cedar rose
Use Lightning Strike. Use ||Eris|| or at least ||Hestia||. Win target game.
cedar rose
Preference.
foggy sparrow
With keyboard and mouse, okay maybe. With controller it's a solid no thanks from me
cedar rose
By damage, it's good. More importantly, it buffs ||Eris|| into being the undisputed overlord of DPS.
Do we really have to spoiler aspect names here? Honestly.
sour kite
Yeah some people find it unwieldy on controller. KBM I think the control scheme for the gun makes sense
cedar rose
Man, I play on Switch, so controller only.
tame hill
officially it's just the final boss name and things that require a clear that you can't say here
foggy sparrow
||alright, I drew a blank here. Who is Eris||
foggy sparrow
Oh the ||aspect||
foggy sparrow
For some reason that one just didn't click for me xD
cedar rose
Eris, Nemesis, and Oizys are some of the less popular goddesses that are daughters of Nyx.
foggy sparrow
No blood tho, gonna keep running my shield for now
sour kite
||Hidden aspect names are spoilers. Other aspects are fine||
raw oak
I wouldn't call Eris or Nemesis less popular.
cedar rose
Thanks, Bouldy.
tame hill
I mean technically the non-sword infernal arms are spoilers so uhh
wait hang on
information about hades requires you to first download and launch hades
so
tame hill
all of it is a spoiler
raw oak
Eris is a warmongerer
raw oak
and notorious drama queen
cedar rose
I would. Most people don't enjoy strife, vengeance, and misery.
tame hill
ultimately the line at what is and isn't a spoiler is arbitrary
so just don't be a jerk
in general this channel is for people who haven't completed a full run yet
so the information you give should take that into account
foggy sparrow
I'm caught in this endless loop of not having enough blood to get my weapons to the point where I can get more blood, which means that I have to rely on either the broker or the ||super shop||
It's troubling, really
sour kite
@foggy sparrow ||have you maxed any aspects yet?||
tame hill
aspect of zagreus for the sword and bow are both decent enough
foggy sparrow
But I did finish a run
cedar rose
Congrats.
sour kite
Okay so you're still at a point where your player skill can grow a lot. And your mirror can too
I wouldn't really worry about upgrades for now
foggy sparrow
Got ||Chaos on Aegis on lv3||, so I'm not too far off
sour kite
Have belief in yourself. Keep learning from run to run
fixating on what resources you have or don't have isn't helpful
tame hill
in general the aspect of zagreus on all weapons is going to be the best at the start because they take so much less blood to max
foggy sparrow
I need more of everything all the time xD
tame hill
which is something that people online are horrible at communicating
sour kite
Welcome to roguelites
foggy sparrow
I've played my fair share
||Also I think the Zagreus ones take the same amount as the first alternative aspects, correct me if I'm mistaken||
cedar rose
I don't think of it that way at all.
cedar rose
I got to several ||Heat|| with totally unupgraded aspects.
tame hill
the first alt aspects require 1 to unlock then 2 for leveling
foggy sparrow
+1 each level
tame hill
yeah
cedar rose
Paid some blood to enhance the ones that I actually used, none of which were Zag's, and went from there.
tame hill
so the zag ones end up being insanely cheaper
sour kite
but I'd also say in general the first alt feels most desirable for most beginners to start the endgame with
tame hill
first alts can sometimes be cheesy so yeah
but once you get decent enough the zag stuff is probably better if maxxed
compared to unupgraded first alts
sour kite
Yah they also tend to be hungry for blood
foggy sparrow
||The first sword aspect is great with only one point invested tbh||
sour kite
because of the necessary scaling
tame hill
plus you can get the zag aspect on all the weapons maxxed pretty quickly
upgrading an alt aspect means you end up stuck with one weapon significantly more powerful than all the others
sour kite
I definitely got bored being gated into those for a while
cedar rose
Yeah, just use Nemesis until you unlock the hidden aspect, for Stygius. Don't make things unnecessarily hard on yourself if you're struggling already.
foggy sparrow
Me and Aegis in a nutshell right there
tame hill
I actually had a better time with zag aspect than first level nemesis for stygius
the move speed helps more than you might think
sour kite
move speed is a strong stat for sure
cedar rose
Sure, but I didn't waste early game blood on Zag Stygius.
tame hill
honestly the titan blood upgrade system is one of the few negatives I have with this game
sour kite
I personally like it, but maybe I'm a minority
tame hill
the aspects get flashier as you unlock them and encourage you to not spend titan blood and save it
which ends up making the early game harder than it needs to be
foggy sparrow
I'd reccomend yall move this conversation elsewhere, lest you scare away any newbies who need advice they can actually work with
cedar rose
Early game's supposed to be hard, and if you want to grind away your troubles, you can, anyway.
tame hill
my advice to new players on titan blood is "invest in aspect of zagreus for all weapons ignore online tier lists"
cedar rose
And my advice is pretty much the direct opposite, sans the agreement that you needn't be a meta slave.
You can test them out and first upgrade what you like so that you can better enjoy the game and make profits in the process.
tame hill
you get more titan blood by playing different weapons so investing into the lower-cost lower-impact uses of titan blood will help improve the rate at which you get it
cedar rose
Or you can invest in the aspects that'll help you win more often, thus improving the rate at which you get it . . .
tame hill
a lot of players I've seen end up stuck because they invested in an aspect and are only playing the game with that one aspect because switching to something else would be a significant drop in power
cedar rose
If your sole point is cost-benefit analysis, there is no hard data in favor of either method, and both methods have logical analytics that suggest their superiority, so the argument is a wash.
tame hill
nah zagreus is pretty much guaranteed to be better
the difference between 5 and 15 titan blood to max is massive in the early game
cedar rose
So you're going back to my advice right at the start of this: Don't marry yourself to one weapon and instead let your Dark(er) Thirst guide you to keep trying with variety.
tame hill
and that approach works better if you invest into aspect of zagreus
cedar rose
If you don't enjoy basic Exagryph, but Aspect of Eris makes you laugh with overpowered glee as you take down ||Heat|| 8 in record time, those 5 blood in basic Exagryph were a waste.
tame hill
even in that case the opportunity cost of maxing zag was small
cedar rose
But if you know going in that there is no opportunity, any opportunity cost is definitively not an opportunity cost.
tame hill
well yes if you say "playing x weapon without an alt aspect is such a massive downgrade in fun for me that I won't do it" then you are right
but honestly if someone thinks that way
then there's not much of a reason for them to be asking for advice
because they weren't going to change what they were going to do anyway
cedar rose
So . . . they are . . . deciding for themselves? As in, based on their own perspectives of fun playstyles? As in, what I said?
tame hill
generally it's not clear to players that investing in alt aspects costs so much more titan blood than zagreus
and since the alt aspects are usually flashier, they look more appealing to invest in on first glance
so a player just following their whims will usually put titan blood into the alt aspects
which can cause them to end up struggling more than if they had started by investing in making the aspect of zagreus better
getting 15 titan blood is even more significant of a jump compared to getting 5 than it would initially seem
since you only really end up with a couple before clearing the game for the first time
and I must remind you
the point of this channel is advice for players who haven't cleared the game yet
so that 5-10 titan blood that they are actually going to be working with is better spent on aspect of zagreus
since that probably allows them to max out 2 different weapons while working on that first clear
instead of not even maxing just one
cedar rose
So you advise them to burn blood on upgrading aspects that they may not use the moment that they unlock something more fun, under the premise that they need their upgrades to be omptimized at all costs in order to win, rather than just focusing on playing the game, learning what they like and how things work, and gitting gud.
You're just repeating yourself.
This is not a healthy discussion.
tame hill
your perspective assumes that what you immediately think is the most fun is actually the most fun
cedar rose
No, it doesn't.
tame hill
yes it does
cedar rose
In fact, I encourage everyone to keep playing long after they've maxed all aspects.
tame hill
because once you spend that titan blood you don't get more until you've cleared the game
your perspective doesn't seem to take into account that people might struggle for a while with clearing the game for the first time
and that a better investment of titan blood could alleviate those struggles
tropic bear
Any tips for Theseus and Asterius?
tame hill
you want to isolate asterius on the outside of the ring
while using the pillars to block the shots from theseus
tropic bear
That's what I'm trying to do and I've beaten them several times but I still struggle
tame hill
generally you want to kite asterius around the outside of the ring so you don't end up in a position where you are forced to get hit by something
basically just keep moving
lavish delta
look for patterns in asterius' attacks while dodging the spear
after you learn the patterns, you should see opportunities to hit him
tropic bear
Will keep this in mind, thanks
leaden whale
are "upgrades" (getting an epic, to replace your current rare boon) as rare as a duo/legendary ? i don't see them often...
final robin
with hermes' keepsake, do you keep its stacks even if you change keepsake
sullen river
Any tips for Theseus and Asterius?
@tropic bear i always kill asterius first, and then focus on thesius
its a different battle everytime with the boons i pick up so
i guess just strategize how to use your boons according to their actions
lavish delta
@final robin i don't think so
final robin
ok
heady comet
what to build on ||guan yu||?
how to play it?
does the spin attack count as an attack to boons?
lavish delta
you should ask that in #h1-builds-and-combat
desert sand
How does heat work? Do you have to beat the game 50+ more times to get all the rewards?
leaden whale
20 times with each weapon, if you want to, you'll have the main deal done before that
desert sand
Jeeze
leaden whale
It can go higher than 20 yes, but there won't be any rewards after 20
desert sand
So basically 1 heat up to 20 for each weapon
leaden whale
Yes, either incremental or pick whatever, it'll complete the lowest then move on
desert sand
Gotcha, so yeah 1 heat at a time. Do you have to do it that many times to finish the story too?
leaden whale
No you just need 10 wins for the main quest, epilogue doesn't need wins
desert sand
Gotcha, almost there then. Nice
Also, another question - can you alter the gems/darkness/key rooms into boons or just one of those 3?
leaden whale
İf yoy have noticed, the nectar/darkness/key rooms have blue laurels, they can only be reroll between thkse three
edgy tartan
Artemis, Ares, or Chaos for Varatha with Quick Spin, do you think?
leaden whale
Boons, hammers, hearts etc have gold laurels, same reroll rule applies
edgy tartan
'S my first boon btw
desert sand
Oooh I see
mortal epoch
What are the best heat modifiers to start off with
leaden whale
Ares on attack can be nice on spin, mass tag everyone. Combined with dire misfortune. But do pick chaos, it gives flat stat boosts
leaden whale
Try ||extreme measures I'd reccomend|| Guyinspce
leaden whale
It only applies to bosses, affects further areas each rank
foggy sparrow
||not to self, don't shoplift from Charon||
pine abyss
...it's possible to shoplift from Charon? o.o
hearty vortex
pine abyss
The money is charon's anyway
Charon puts money out there so you can buy stuff from him using it lol
It's weird
Like a game (within the game)
cosmic basin
So, what sort of weapon should i upgrade aspect wise?
cinder harness
id suggest just trying a few and seeing what you enjoy
sterile solar
Upgrade the ones you enjoy using
Some people say "upgrade chiron or ||gy|| they are better upgraded" if you dont enjoy the weapons, youre wasting the blood
fierce folio
hellooo so i habe 41 escape attempts and have met hades twice but got defeated both times but I still haven't met thanatos?? what's up with that 🤔
i read somewhere that it's hard to meet him but that some has already met him many times so am I just unlucky
lavish delta
he spawns in normal rooms
no skulls, no trials and before ||styx||
it takes a while for him to first show up, i don't know why
lavish delta
you definitely should have, after 41 runs
upbeat swallow
man i really struggle on ||hades|| heh. usually by the time i get to him im kinda low on health and then just die
turbid panther
u could always put on god mode its in the settings
upbeat swallow
i did 3 out of 4 completions on ||heat|| 0, 1, 2, 3 and 4... but failing that last bit ;d
zdps builds everytime
lavish delta
@upbeat swallow if you're low and have no DDs you could always look for Stubborn Roots
static anvil
lavish delta
i mean if you know you'll be out of dds by then
static anvil
Ahhhh
I realized a really good way of getting more darkness for both the mirror and the spoiler but it would also mean sacrificing this run
sour kite
@upbeat swallow when do you find you are running out of DDs?
Patroclus has a really strong choose 3 that can replen DDs, could be relevant
if you're losing a lot of DD on Act 3 boss you may need to revisit your strategy
If you're taking 2+ DD and a good build into final boss game should feel pretty chill
fiery monolith
Don't tell me if it's a spoiler, but what's with aterius backing off every time I fight him?
sour kite
||every time? so you've been to the act 3 fight right||
fiery monolith
||I've gotten to elysium twice before and not got to the boss fight at the end||
cinder harness
well, you'll find out then
fiery monolith
ah ok
cinder harness
don't sweat it for now
fiery monolith
well hopefully I do better this run! Just beat asterius a couple seconds ago
huh, discord still says I'm fighting him
static anvil
Is it 6 nectar to reach the ||locked heart||?
old skiff
Yes
pastel cipher
depends on the character, but in most cases yes
static anvil
Thanks
old skiff
I’m pretty sure all the ones at the beginning take 6
heady comet
Do freeze stacks proc privileged status?
heady comet
I dont see the orange square above people
tame hill
No matter how many stacks you have freeze only counts for 1 of the 2 status conditions
Same with hangover
heady comet
Ah rip
sour kite
2 different status curses
hot yoke
Everything that's a status curse
They'll usually get marked above the enemies health bar
south kernel
Hi
sour kite
Hello
south kernel
I have played Hades for about 14 hours and I've gone far to ||Hades|| I just can't defeat him.
hot yoke
Yo
south kernel
I use the bow with aspect of chiron any tips?
south kernel
like this?
hot yoke
Try ares on special with impending doom and dire misfortune
Perfect yes
Also pressure points and support fire from artemis
You can get some pretty chunky doom numbers
Otherwise you could also go for hangover build with aphrodite and ares duo
south kernel
Hmm okay thanks. I will try again.
And do you have any other tips on what I can use my titan blood on
used some of it on exagryph and the bow so I've used 4?
lavish delta
unlock more ||aspects|| you think you'd like
won't get boring if you have tons of cool weapons
south kernel
Okay
hot yoke
It really shines when maxed out
south kernel
I have some trouble finding titan blood tho 😄
I have some trouble finding titan blood tho 😄
Okay
lavish delta
you get 1 for beating the first boss with each weapon
candid nimbus
but only the first time
tame hill
Maxing a non zagreus aspect is not going to happen before a clear
foggy sparrow
Unless you ||buy some at the super Shop||
candid nimbus
Can trade from broker, last area can buy, prophecies
hot yoke
Beat redacted
tame hill
I already had a long discussion about that on here
candid nimbus
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
A way to test without comitting blood
hot yoke
I'd say just max aspect of zagreus for your favorite weapon and use that
@tame hill I'd say no xD
south kernel
Okay. Thanks guys wish me luck for defeating Hades 😄
foggy sparrow
You'll keep copy and pasting that one, won't you xD
hot yoke
Depends on the weapon actually
But you prolly already talked enough bout that
candid nimbus
But remember final boss and onward are spoilers
south kernel
@candid nimbus Hmm okay thanks
foggy sparrow
||ngl Chaos Aegis is just lovely. Especially when Chaos comments on what you're doing. Marvelous.||
hot yoke
Yeh
hot yoke
But that's a blood investment again
foggy sparrow
It's totally worth it, if you ask me. The shield is my weapon of choice, most of the time
hot yoke
Tbh sword spear and fists are the only cool weapons
@tame hill don't denounce them just cause you don't like them
Sound like what somebody that recommends maxing zag aspects first would say
Jk
lavish delta
all weapons are cool
tame hill
Hey man I don't make the rules
hot yoke
Frick you then
tame hill
I just call it like it is
hot yoke
foggy sparrow
I personally only really like using the Sword, Bow and Shield. Though if I had to, I'd discard the bow.
candid nimbus
All the weapons are solid
tame hill
And just plain suck with the other weapons
foggy sparrow
Spot the SnS joke in there
hot yoke
I like every weapon
hot yoke
Yeah I like spear now
foggy sparrow
I'm pretty good at playing with the fists, and I don't like that
hot yoke
Ykurse just too bad to use bow
foggy sparrow
They're unworthy to be wielded by me
hot yoke
tame hill
Everyone loves a good fisting
lavish delta
bruh
hot yoke
Keep it sfw
candid nimbus
My crutch cheese build is fist- deflect/dodge build lul
shy raptor
Is it just me or does Piercing Volley (bow upgrade that makes special arrows do more armor damage and pierce enemies) actually make the special weaker
hot yoke
Is it just me or does Piercing Volley (bow upgrade that makes special arrows do more armor damage and pierce enemies) actually make the special weaker
@shy raptor it's just you
500%
shy raptor
man
hot yoke
It's actually p good
shy raptor
even with priv stat plus flourish the damage is tiny
hot yoke
Since enemies have a lot more armour then health
mortal nebula
I like now with artemis flourish
hot yoke
Try playing family favourite
mortal nebula
Bow*
hot yoke
Which bow are you playing?
shy raptor
chiron
hot yoke
Bruh
shy raptor
aimbot!!
foggy sparrow
Yes
foggy sparrow
Run Chiron with Artemis Special and you're golden. If I'm not mistaking my gods here that is
shy raptor
is that normal
hot yoke
Use family favorite
lavish delta
chiron works with many specials
shy raptor
hrrrmph
foggy sparrow
But crits
hot yoke
I'll just copy pastey chiron builds
foggy sparrow
CRITS
shy raptor
yea gimme chiron builds
lavish delta
@foggy sparrow but purple arrows look cool
hot yoke
Chiron Aphro/artemis special|demeter flourish with legendary|Dionysus flourish, ares and Aphro duo|doom attack with dire misfortune, impending doom, pressure points
| means different build
foggy sparrow
Couple Chiron with the +4 projectiles hammer and you'll have crits for D A Y S
Green is also nice
hot yoke
Also obvs always flourish hammers
foggy sparrow
Cry when the anvil takes the hammer away that made your build work
edgy tartan
hey how does anyone stand varatha
foggy sparrow
Perseverance
candid nimbus
ricochet spear is hilarious to me
hot yoke
Bruh who takes anvil
foggy sparrow
I do
candid nimbus
I do too
foggy sparrow
It can get crazy powerful
hot yoke
Explosive launcher
Special build done
edgy tartan
wait what's the anvil. is it after elysium
foggy sparrow
||yes||
foggy sparrow
Bro the potential tho
hot yoke
No
foggy sparrow
Think about it
edgy tartan
i thought y'all were talkin about the daedalus hammer and learned that that was not the case
hot yoke
By styx I'll have my build done
foggy sparrow
It had the potential to be G O D LY
candid nimbus
Fates take the wheel
hot yoke
Think about how many hammers there are that can ruin your build vs that can help
candid nimbus
but the potential stonks
hot yoke
The potential is tiny
Because your build is mostly done by then
foggy sparrow
To be frank im at the point where I take any hammer I didn't have yet for the prophecies
To the anvil helps along with that
hot yoke
Not like you can adjust for insane builds then
It's fun for memeing
But that's as far as it goes
foggy sparrow
But like
hot yoke
No
foggy sparrow
If one of the hammers you got was just bad
And you could gamble 50 50 to get something better
foggy sparrow
It is tho
candid nimbus
but the fun potential
foggy sparrow
It takes one of the two you have
lavish delta
if both your hammers are bad i'd say it's worth it
candid nimbus
I can just try again next run!
hot yoke
I'm not saying anything's ng against memes
foggy sparrow
50/50
hot yoke
Sry I get insanely triggered by that
foggy sparrow
To if you can replace one trash hammer with two moderately better knce
Ones*
It's a worthy gamble
candid nimbus
but of course, if you are content with your build, not taking it is the more rational choice.
hot yoke
I'm not knocking it's fun potential
I'm just saying if we're talking chance then No
Imagine randomly getting dash nova
foggy sparrow
Bro this is #h1-for-new-players, I'm at ||heat 1|| for example. I don't care about your perfect build strategies, lemme have fun with my anvil
hot yoke
Nice
candid nimbus
to be fair I thought you were just outright bashing it lol
hot yoke
...
foggy sparrow
That's the bouldy we know and love
hot yoke
I was saying multiple times: talking n strictly a bout power it's bad
But talking about fun it's spicy
candid nimbus
Of course, let me take my bad reading comprehension
tame hill
If the anvil was always there it would be more interesting
hot yoke
I'd like to get to choose at least what hammer to lose
tame hill
But since you cant count on it you cant make builds intending to throw a hammer away at the end
hot yoke
^
foggy sparrow
That's the whole gamble, isn't it? Highest highs, lowest lows
hot yoke
The problem is
foggy sparrow
Don't gamble kids, it's not good for you
hot yoke
It'll mostly be very low lows and very. Few higjs
candid nimbus
Just gotta roll with whatever Fates give you
hot yoke
Which makes it even more sick getting a good roll
The best you'll mostly get out of an anvil is a "meh at least it didn't f me over"
Yeah I have a personal vendetta
cinder harness
Sometimes I have 2 garbo hammers but I've yet to see an anvil when that's the case idk
foggy sparrow
What annoys me is that if I get a bad run, I'll either have to see it through or kill myself early
cinder harness
And honestly if I get to that point in a run, I probably don't need to take on the risk
hot yoke
^
foggy sparrow
Ah
candid nimbus
cinder harness
Anvil would be cool if it came up earlier idk
foggy sparrow
S word
hot yoke
What a doozy
safe niche
it would be too strong if it came up early
hot yoke
It wouldn be
safe niche
then u could get 4 upgrades
supple linden
Everytime you swear Zagreus has to put an obol in Charon's swear jar
hot yoke
Because as I said multiple times: it's bound to give you a lot of bad hammers
foggy sparrow
The give up button doesn't save me from a bad run, it just makes me run it again
It's blegh
hot yoke
That's why it's called "give up"
foggy sparrow
I'll just stand in lava, don't mind me
safe niche
2 random hammers + 2 hammers is much better than 2 hammers lol
cinder harness
If there was only 1 anvil, and it was like, reroll ur 1 hammer into 2 new hammers and that's all
hot yoke
Most hammer s will hinder you
cinder harness
Then I'd take it more
hot yoke
Hammers are not a more is better mentality
safe niche
hmm at least for chiron
cinder harness
Like if I totally whiff on my first hammer
static anvil
Does anything (dialogue-wise) happen when you press give up?
safe niche
there arent hammers which can hinder u
foggy sparrow
Sometimes you just don't get the right hammers either way
static anvil
I always feel too shamed to press it
safe niche
maybe the reduced range one
candid nimbus
Give Up just resets your save back to the last courtyard save before that run
foggy sparrow
Then you reach Styx, and think to yourself, "hey, why not"
candid nimbus
That run never happened
hot yoke
I don't want to spend 15 minutes on counting up bad hammers and build specific bad hammers xD
foggy sparrow
That run never happened
And the next run you go to is going to be the exact same one
candid nimbus
Almost, will probably reroll the seed gen a bit
foggy sparrow
I did it multiple times, and the runs were almost identical
candid nimbus
unless you make the exact same choices
static anvil
Haded
edgy tartan
awww yea, I just beat ||the bone hydra|| with Aegis for the first time
foggy sparrow
The only difference being my keepsakes
hot yoke
Well to be fair your pretty early on
You'll learn controlling your runs
foggy sparrow
Aegis gang
hot yoke
No offense xD
static anvil
And the next run you go to is going to be the exact same one
I wish I knew that before I closed my game by semi-accident
safe niche
good thing about non turn based rougelikes is that u cant really lose due to luck
edgy tartan
The multi-bounce upgrade + zeus on attack was phenomenal
hot yoke
good thing about non turn based rougelikes is that u cant really lose due to luck
@safe niche there's a case in hades but it only applies at very high ||heats||
safe niche
just dont take TD and ull be fine
foggy sparrow
Since you can't attack while it's bouncing around
edgy tartan
oh, really?
edgy tartan
I hadn't even noticed. I guess I just spend the whole time dashing around with knockback that it doesn't end up being a big problem
foggy sparrow
I've had some close calls because of it
hot yoke
TD1 one be free tho