guess who just found out that ||the old man has a second health bar|| 
#h1-for-new-players
shy raptor
dense laurel
He have DD just like you
shy raptor
na man there wasnt any death to defy
static anvil
It's Lonk indeed
shy raptor
speaking of DD should i be using dd or stubborn defiance
cuz i always spend one on the second-last boss
sour kite
both are fine choices. SD is good to start, DD is good for the midgame when you have plenty of resources
sour kite
take either of the other two
static anvil
If you lost a DD the last one is good
sour kite
i think divine strike and flourish is a bait
sour kite
Take sure footing imo
sour kite
No I don't think you should switch
simple orbit
Reasoning?
sour kite
Divine strike+ divine flourish is not a combo
you have damage issues
you are deflecting 100% of the time
and doing low damage
unless ofc you have suddenly become a god at using brilliant riposte as your primary dps
simple orbit
I see okay
sour kite
As a barebones principle in any of these sort of build-your-character-as-you-progress games
making sure you have enough damage in your build
should be basically priority number 1 or 2
divine dash is allowed to be priority number 1, ofc
simple orbit
Right
static anvil
You never throw out Dionysis 
sour kite
I thought we were mates maaaaaan
shy raptor
unironically?
sour kite
sorry @sterile solar
shy raptor
i thought all it does is some residual dmg
sour kite
You mean dio doing drunken damage?
shy raptor
yup
sour kite
drunk is a very high dps thing for single target
sour kite
you only need to play games where poison stacks
and go single target
each god
has a unique status curse
shy raptor
if i wanna make use priv stat
harsh leaf
If you check the boons in your codex, it'll say which ones apply curses
sour kite
if you want to know the rest
shy raptor
icic ty
sour kite
that too
lavish delta
harsh leaf
Weak, Hangover, Chill and Doom are the easy to apply curses. Then there's Exposed, Jolted, Marked and Rupture
shy raptor
yea i was thinking zeus's doesnt last very long
lavish delta
doesnt it last forever with a certain duo
harsh leaf
Zeus' Jolted has a duo boon to increase the duration and make it last beyond a single attack
harsh leaf
Duos have strict requirements, and are also very rare
shy raptor
granted only 20ish runs so far but still
harsh leaf
So if you dont have the boons necessary to trigger them you'll never see them anyways
Again, check your codex to see the requirements for each boon
shy raptor
👌
lavish delta
if you have the required boons by the 2nd stage you will probably get the duo later on
shy raptor
gonna need that kind of power
simple orbit
I see thanks @sour kite
sour kite
yw
sour kite
the block is directional
it covers all attacks from the direction of the AOE block that is shown during bullrush
and some attacks are unblockable
dusty gate
What attacks are unblockable?
night geode
AOE attacks I believe
dusty gate
Oh the ones where there’s a circle on the ground
Yeah
The vast majority of attacks are blockable tho
night geode
Yeah, I think that's it? I don't remember anything else getting through the shield
leaden whale
Nvm, read wrong
pulsar frigate
you can block most anything in the game iirc
pulsar frigate
but blocking angles can be weird, so
dusty gate
As long as you’re roughly facing in their direction you’re fine
fallen elm
The adamant rail special goes over shields im pretty sure too
dusty gate
We’re talking about the other way around
Zag has a bunch of stuff that can penetrate shields
hot yoke
Artemis arrows
heady comet
Does cursed slash go well on ||excalibur||?
merry otter
I mean
You probably shouldn't but if you wanna do it for the funnies then go right ahead
heady comet
Hm on im still tryna get my first clear
harsh leaf
Then dont
harsh leaf
4th aspect attacks too slow to gain health off of it, your damage reduction should be getting you most of the way there anyways
heady comet
So i always run myridian bracer?
hot yoke
The dash strike is fast enough
Cursed is actually not the worst option I wouldn't play it 95% of the time
harsh leaf
Dash attack doesnt proc life gain with cursed slash, does it?
harsh leaf
(it doesnt)
harsh leaf
It's the main reason cursed slash isnt very good
hot yoke
Although the health reduce ofc does matter less on 4th sword
uncut parrot
cleared a run for the first time
hardy sierra
the shield is no fun imo, I thought the same about the bow but it grew on me, can someone say the same about the shield? Are there cool abilities and boons that are waiting for me in late stages?
uncut parrot
I used a spear
uncut parrot
not my favorite weapon so far, and I just happened to win even though I wasn't expecting it
that was tense
hardy sierra
what is your favorite weapon?
uncut parrot
even got the hermest keepsake's achievement in the same run
don't really have a favorite so sto speak
it's jsut that I'm not fond of the spear moveset
hardy sierra
I like the range of the spear
uncut parrot
don't get the timing to spin other than on spawn et the throw feels awkward to use
fair, this run I won with 3-pronged spear and extended range
hardy sierra
combined with a push effect followed by special you can do nice combos
yeah I often replace the charged spin/alter the move
hot yoke
Dash spin is the only way
hardy sierra
never found a dash spin, sounds cool
I'm maybe 30h in game
is the shield effective, if not fun (for me)?
uncut parrot
shield with bull rush is apparently the easiest way to clear for a first run
hardy sierra
I never managed a clear, so I'm considering it
uncut parrot
get yourself in a corner, keep blocking, use bull rush with ranged buff when you can, repeat
there is a buff changing your bull rush into a projectile
so you can block ad nauseam and attack from time to time
hardy sierra
I'm hesitant to play the game in a way I don't like just to win
uncut parrot
then don't, not like you won't have anything to do after the first clear anyway
candid nimbus
That's fair, you'll beat it on your own terms
candid nimbus
Just gotta keep at it, you got this 👍
hardy sierra
thanks 🙂
uncut parrot
well, can't say I beat it on my term since I wasn't expecting a win with the spear ^^
hot yoke
Play the game the way you want man
hardy sierra
I hope to do it with the spear, or bow at least
yeah its about the way after all, not beating the game
uncut parrot
apparently chiron bow can cheese a win if you upgrade it with titan's blood
and since you can get blood from generic stuff (gems, keys, nectar)
it should be doable
errant lintel
is it possible to get more than one daedalus hammer upgrade?
uncut parrot
yes
errant lintel
i just saw another hammer show up, not sure if I should take it vs. a pom
candid nimbus
There is no hope, you will do it 👍
errant lintel
i'm on bow
uncut parrot
you can stack weapon upgrade
hardy sierra
There is no hope, you will do it 👍
@candid nimbus thanks mate 😄
errant lintel
i wll scrub my way through this
uncut parrot
you're welcome
hot yoke
2 max
hot yoke
Yes
Also never take anvil
Except if you're run is way too easy and you want a challenge
hardy sierra
what is anvil? spoiler alert?
hardy sierra
ok:)
hot yoke
Or actually you don't wanna find out
hardy sierra
haha alright
errant lintel
i hate those runs when you start getting everythign you want
just makes me wonder how i'm gonna mess it up
hot yoke
Less doubt
uncut parrot
best weapon to cheese farm normal run is upgraded chiron right?
hot yoke
Not necessarily
uncut parrot
kind of want to farm diamond and blood to unlock stuff
hot yoke
Depends on playstyle imo
candid nimbus
If you're really confident in it sure
hot yoke
You should clear with every weapon up until ||heat 20||
After that bounties stop
Also fulfill prophecies
You get like 6 blood for clearing once with every weapon
uncut parrot
oh right, forgot the ||heat|| thing
uncut parrot
my bad
errant lintel
so whatever
hot yoke
Ahem spoiler tag pls
candid nimbus
Game is indeed hard
upbeat swallow
im still not sure wtf to do with ambrosia, titan blood and diamonds. i just hoard them for now 🤔
uncut parrot
btw, I've heard several time that chaos aspect is really good on the shield, but if the common strat is to keep blocking into bull rush, why this aspect more than another?
candid nimbus
Just keep working through runs, unlocking weapons, fulfilling work orders, and making friends
growing stronger
hot yoke
No blocking
You play it insanely aggressive
Charge the bull rush up as little as possible
candid nimbus
Quick bull-rush into shotgun shield throw
uncut parrot
@upbeat swallow unlock/upgrade aspect, house renovations, progress with your friends
hot yoke
Release it asap
uncut parrot
I see
hot yoke
Your main gameplay is shotgun special
And you want to get there as fast as possible
uncut parrot
so it's special spam
hot yoke
Aka afap
errant lintel
stage 3 boss.. wish me luck. i'll need it
uncut parrot
what are the recommended keepsakes/boons for chaos shield build?
candid nimbus
Show 'em who is boss, you got this 
uncut parrot
going to give it a try
hot yoke
Chaos: Ares Attack/Demeter Attack, Zeus Special,Jolted, ideally Splitting Bolt, ideally Divine Dash or something to enable Privilege Status if you don't have Jolted
uncut parrot
so I take the keepsake for one of those gods I assume?
hot yoke
First zeus keepsake, second stage the one for the god you don't have
upbeat swallow
i havent bought any 2/3/4 diamond things yet, is it worth saving 5 for the erebus thing?
hot yoke
Max chaos first
uncut parrot
have yet to buy it since just unlocked it but I'd always go for stuff that add content
uncut parrot
oh, then yeah start with the other things
hot yoke
But it feels way weaker
uncut parrot
well, none of my weapons are upgraded atm, only unlocked the first aspect for each
so they will all be weaker
lavish delta
unupgraded feels just like the zag shield
uncut parrot
only weapon with more unlock is sword since I unlocked pose aspect
hard lichen
what exactly is the erebus gate 
i was planning on getting it since i got the rest of the diamond upgrades
candid nimbus
You'll seeeee
hot yoke
Find it out yourself
lavish delta
unlock it and see for yourself
hot yoke
It's a very fun area
hard lichen
candid nimbus
Hypnos has best advice
uncut parrot
hypnos in a nutshell: just don't get hit bruh
upbeat swallow
is the game generally designed without bait? like its ok to spend your currencies on cheap things and not worry about the expensive? or is some of the expensive stuff like x1000 better and you should hoard to buy it asap?
lavish delta
are you talking about gems and diamonds?
hot yoke
There isn't really more expensive stuff that's game changing
uncut parrot
@upbeat swallow I've been buying a few diamonds from gems and keys to the traders, and those diamonds can be further converted into more precious resources
hot yoke
The work orders are more or less at a low price range
upbeat swallow
oh
uncut parrot
so you should never hardlock yourself
upbeat swallow
keys become worthless after you unlock the mirror so you can just trade them away?
hot yoke
Well you can get neat cosmetic stuff with em
upbeat swallow
i dont care about cosmetic things before i complete 100% of the functional things
uncut parrot
unless you need to reset your mirro for some reason or cosme stuff, yes
upbeat swallow
why reset mirror and not just max it? ;x
candid nimbus
if I'm tight on darkness 
hot yoke
You'll prolly make a lot of mistakes with mirror speccing
uncut parrot
idk, never has to myself
hot yoke
harsh leaf
Cause maxing out the mirror is like 40k darkness
hot yoke
Also yes
uncut parrot
I guess
I'm trying to max everything and I have yet to make a painful mistake with the mirror I think
upbeat swallow
how can you make a mistake with the mirror i dont get it
you always find more purple stuff
lavish delta
you can always reset your mirror with a key
candid nimbus
hot yoke
I'm trying to max everything and I have yet to make a painful mistake with the mirror I think
@uncut parrot you prolly just didn't realize your mistake
uncut parrot
anyway, even if you need to respec the mirror it wouldn't be hard to get 1 key to do so in early area
hot yoke
Because certain things are better in a larger amount of cases
And maxing the mirror takes long
I'm 130 hrs+ in
Still not maxd
upbeat swallow
i only found out theres a 2nd type of upgrades there today ;x
harsh leaf
anyway, even if you need to respec the mirror it wouldn't be hard to get 1 key to do so in early area
@uncut parrot It's just ten gems bruh
upbeat swallow
when you reset mirror do you have to re-unlock it all with keys?
harsh leaf
No
lavish delta
no
hot yoke
No
upbeat swallow
or you jsut pay 1 and get to spend your purplestuff as you wish?
uncut parrot
right, gems too
upbeat swallow
ok cool
harsh leaf
It's just a darkness refund
uncut parrot
guys, help me choose
uncut parrot
first upgrade on either chaos shiel or chiron bow
hot yoke
Depends on your playstyle honestly
uncut parrot
I'm interested in both and I have to clear with both
candid nimbus
They're both good, might get more mileage with chiron?
upbeat swallow
i gifted each of the NPCs 1 nectar, should i keep hoarding nectar for something or just start sharing it all over
uncut parrot
honestly not sure, my play style so far is dark thirst ftw and I just love changing weapons regularly
hot yoke
Max relationships
candid nimbus
Share the love
uncut parrot
chiron is less specific-buff reliant right?
candid nimbus
I feel the benefit for 1 chiron upgrade is somewhat better than 1 extra shield
uncut parrot
then I will just go with chiron for now
hot yoke
Both weapons don't feel complete until at max imo
uncut parrot
will have to clear with all weapons eventually anyway
candid nimbus
Easier to spam special directly than mixed rush and special imo at least
hot yoke
That's what I'm trying to say xD
candid nimbus
Good luck!
hot yoke
Yep but you got no control over build
uncut parrot
I think I went to 17% before and it was lvl 1 keepsake
hot yoke
Best of luck
uncut parrot
might be able to get the achivement
thank you
well, I'm still prioritizing fated choices when I see one nayway
hard lichen
hmm, what would be the best build for ||guan yu?|| i know one person said charged skewer was a good one
hot yoke
Crit build
Either with charged skewer, serrated point or both
Although serrated is risky because of shortened dash
Just go artemis and aphrodite with heart rend
Maybe zeus aid for smoldering
hard lichen
ooo, alright
uncut parrot
just realize that I can finally see how far I went with each weapons
golden relic
when do i unlock ||uses for the ambrosia u get||
hot yoke
Keep giving characters nectar
There will be a locked jeart
Complete a quest
You can give them ambrosia
???
Profit
golden relic
alright thanks~
heady comet
other than zeus-poseidon boon, what are some good boons for chiron special?
golden relic
u mean for the ||bow aspect||?
harsh leaf
other than zeus-poseidon boon, what are some good boons for chiron special?
@heady comet Pretty much anything. Chill, hangover, crit
Doom stacking can get nuts, too
uncut parrot
btw I have a question for hares boon buffing a doom effect if it's applied several times before it proc
hot yoke
other than zeus-poseidon boon, what are some good boons for chiron special?
@heady comet never play zeus special on chiron
uncut parrot
does it work with chiron special?
hot yoke
I beg you
harsh leaf
Yes
lavish delta
@uncut parrot yes
uncut parrot
nice
hot yoke
Doom stacking on chiron is awesome
hot yoke
Even more if you have pressure points and the delayed doom applly
heady comet
no i mean poseidon special + the poseidon-zeus boon?
hot yoke
Dire misfortune
uncut parrot
yes, that's what I'm talking about
harsh leaf
Ah ok
uncut parrot
the one strengthening your doom damage for each stack applied before it procs
hot yoke
As I said
uncut parrot
if the damage is buffed for every arrows, then chiron special would buff it several times in a split sec
hot yoke
Dire misfortune
You can hit two specials
If you have the boon that delays the doom appliance even 3
uncut parrot
nice
hot yoke
I got 1.1k crit doom on chiron with that
errant lintel
first ||hades|| kill... somehow lucked out
errant lintel
thanks
uncut parrot
welp, my run got quickly cancelled by a new interesting boss
edgy tartan
So how long/how many runs does it take to finish the game? I'm currently stuck at the ||bone hydra at the end of Asphodel.|| Am I running close to the end of the game?
candid nimbus
Takes as many runs as it takes you, could be within first 10, could be 100+
uneven slate
You happen to be at the second of four bosses.
hot yoke
Also you need to clear multiple times
harsh leaf
So how long/how many runs does it take to finish the game? I'm currently stuck at the ||bone hydra at the end of Asphodel.|| Am I running close to the end of the game?
@edgy tartan Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
edgy tartan
👀 jeez, alright. Pretty squeaky clean filter
fair enough
Oh? Shoot, alright. Also, god, I'm just. I'm gonna get a hang of this eventually. I think my problem is I'm very disorganized, and like, I don't ever have builds in mind? I kinda just grab whatever sounds good, and don't really know what boons are better than others? Like deflect vs crit vs doom vs weak, etc etc
candid nimbus
Yeah it's a lot of info
edgy tartan
^ what I was gonna say, cleaned
harsh leaf
That's a fine way of learning the game
candid nimbus
Just gotta keep going through runs and gaining experience. There's an upgrade you can get later that will help with planning
harsh leaf
If you're only at the hydra, you're very very new. Dont sweat the details, just try a bunch of stuff and you'll figure things out
edgy tartan
I'm like, really antsy, so I think my favorites to play with are with ranged, aoe attacks, and Poseiden's knockbacks and p much everyones Dashes. The ||Twin Fists of Malphon|| stress me out because I gotta get really up close and personal
Whatever keeps enemies away from me or keeps me away from enemies
harsh leaf
I would recommend against Poseidon boons on attack and special in general, but you do you
edgy tartan
hmm. noted
candid nimbus
Pos boons are fun, decent damage and wall slam can inflict pretty hefty damage
Once you can get the codex and its upgrade you'll have an easier time planning builds since you'll be able to check pre-reqs for boons
edgy tartan
whoops
my mistake
I think so far my favorite thing to do has been playing with ||Aegis|| and all the Poseiden boons I can get, and just knockin stuff around while playing keepaway
harsh leaf
What keepsakes do you have?
edgy tartan
I gotta ease up my language for here I suppose 😅
harsh leaf
I see you're typing them all one by one
edgy tartan
Everyone in the House, Meg, Charon, Aphrodite, Dionysus, and ||Chaos||
listen im slow
harsh leaf
And your mirror? How's that progressing?
edgy tartan
Decently? I'm not playing right now so I can't remember off the top of my head, but I unlocked the first new set of skills (||the cast upgrades||) and I'm still working on leveling up the ones I got in Asphodel
candid nimbus
Sounds like you're doing fine, keep it up you got this 👍
harsh leaf
Yeah, just keep doing whatever it is you're doing
candid nimbus
If you get stuck or have any other questions, we'll probably still be here
upbeat swallow
amborsia delight, pom porridge or refreshing nectar 🤔
candid nimbus
I personally pick next 3 boons are rarity upgraded most of the time
harsh leaf
Poms are usually better than rarity upgrade
edgy tartan
Allllllrighty, thank y'all kindly!
harsh leaf
I take nectar if I'm missing many core boons or if what I have is enough
supple linden
hey Jovial if you want a pro boon picking zip
Fast attacking weapons sync very well with Zeus attack.
slow attack weapons pair well with boons with an applied effect like Ares, Aphrodite, Dionysus, or Artemis
Poseidon and Athena attack are kinda eeh in my opinion. their stronger for dash boons
edgy tartan
hmmm
yea that makes sense. So like, Zeus attack would be perfect with ||Exagraph or the Twin Fists||, but the status affects wouldn't. I gotcha
candid nimbus
eh I've run dio on fast weapons
civic sinew
I wonder if I'm just coincidentally similar or if it's a common new player strategy: I also like the Posiedon boons and playing keepaway
I struggle in Asphodel because all the lava makes it hard to dash away from enemies w/o catching fire.
hot yoke
Huh dio on fast weapons best lol
candid nimbus
Because of my playstyle it's tradition for me to hug the lava each run... I sorta just eat damage anyways
civic sinew
I dash a lot.. like a lot a lot.. and in Tartarus it doesn't matter because the traps are easy enough to avoid or dash again before they get me but I'm finding it tricky to not dash into lava.
candid nimbus
As long as you don't linger too long in lava that's fine tbh
Might need to have dashes become more meaningful/impactful
awareness of where you're going exactly I guess
civic sinew
Yeah I just need to pay a little more attention to what I'm dashing toward. At the moment the focus is more on what I'm dashing away from.
harsh leaf
Just gotta learn to dash with purpose
edgy tartan
I could deffo see that as a common new player strategy? Damage builds up fast, so like, my instinct, still being unsure about what I'm doing, was to basically just dish out whatever I can while still having room to breathe. Wouldn't be surprised if a lotta folks feel the same
supple linden
i wouldn't say status effects are bad with fast weapons
but it takes certain boons to make them better
candid nimbus
Tons of different builds and playstyles
edgy tartan
I think probably the most stress-inducing moments have been when I'm in rooms filled with witches/crystals/danger circles and I just have to keep dashing and feel suffocated
supple linden
Doom can be stacked with a boon, Hangover's cap is increased with a boon, Crit on fast weapons means more crits, Weakness on fast is only good if paired with a doom special and the duo boon that makes doom last forever with weakness
upbeat swallow
for me maximum strength is playing ranged builds :x
edgy tartan
Very fun and keeps me on my toes, but yea, I get the urge to keep enemies at a distance, since I'm new and still don't know how to deal with them fast
supple linden
bullhorn said a naughty word
lavish delta
try getting athena's dash
it helps a lot with witches
supple linden
time to break out the good ol song 'the 98 words we don't say'
hot yoke
And go into the 98 words we always say
harsh leaf
I think probably the most stress-inducing moments have been when I'm in rooms filled with witches/crystals/danger circles and I just have to keep dashing and feel suffocated
@edgy tartan Have you considered taking Athena Dash? It'll help you a ton
lavish delta
just said that lol
supple linden
oh jovial one thing to note
lavish delta
but yes that should help a lot
edgy tartan
God yea, I grab that whenever I can
supple linden
your basic attack can break bullets
this includes AoE specials like the sword or spin
hot yoke
Depends on the attack but most can
candid nimbus
Careful with that though, not all
edgy tartan
I thought that was wack, but yea, that definitely has saved my hide more than once
supple linden
witch's circle can either be a cake walk or devasting depending on your build
zinc marsh
how best to spend your first few bloods? like do you get the new aspect for all the weapons?
lavish delta
i'd recommend unlocking aspects you think sound nice
candid nimbus
Just upgrading the playstyle you like. Can do a trick to test
unreal bluff
i mean there's a prophecy for getting all the non-hidden aspects so i'm sorta prioritizing that
candid nimbus
Go to courtyard, spend the blood, DO NOT GO INTO BEDROOM. Go on a run to test, then either altf4 before death or Give up to revert save back to courtyard save. No blood spent/committed. That run never existed so you can try things out before saving/committing
edgy tartan
oof, yeah. Witches circle, I just handled with some very, very careful timing and Aegis
foggy sparrow
I feel robbed, I had such a good run but then ||it turns out Hades had a second phase|| and it just ffed me up right quick
edgy tartan
Not to mention how many times I just straight dashed into magma
unreal bluff
thats basically the strat for witch's circle
foggy sparrow
I know it's bad to judge peoe quickly on their first impression
hard lichen
big brain thinking 
foggy sparrow
But I already dislike two people here
uneven slate
As far as I know, briefly walking on the magma and dashing away triggers Ruthless Reflex.
uneven slate
Same with traps.
harsh leaf
As far as I know, briefly walking on the magma and dashing away triggers Ruthless Reflex.
@uneven slate Yeah but then you only have one dash, and that aint cool
candid nimbus
all you need
uneven slate
It is a high risk high reward technique, after all.
unreal bluff
yeah magma takes a second to start damaging
foggy sparrow
Hope for the Hermes extra dash
hardy sierra
yo I just got the explisive shot for the bow for the first time, is it possible to upgrade these kind of boons?
harsh leaf
But I already dislike two people here
@foggy sparrow It's cool bro, I dont mind being hated
uneven slate
Hammers aren't boons, and don't have levels.
hardy sierra
hammer? uhm ok
lavish delta
you picked up a hammer and got explosive shot
hardy sierra
I understand
uneven slate
However, they can stack their effects with boons for great results.
hardy sierra
yeah I'm thinking faster charging power shot or higher damage
golden relic
Does impending Doom skale with the extra damage u get from the Stacking boon? or does it only apply to the base damage of the Doom effekt
hot yoke
It apllies the damage written in it's description per attack to the current doom effect you put on an enemy
golden relic
Impeding is the % Damage buff for doom effekt i think u mean the stack boon
hot yoke
Oh sry dire misfortune
Afaik impending applies to the base doom damage in an additive manner
golden relic
alright thanks
leaden whale
Is there any way to farm titan blood other than from the wretched dealer? I want to max out my aspect of chiron, but i already went and done the titan blood for all the weapons
leaden whale
How do I unlock those prophecies? I'm pretty sure I don't have nearly all of them
hot yoke
Win your first run
hot yoke
Yes
leaden whale
Well looks like I gotta actually get good lmao
hot yoke
"farming blood" comes with multiple clears
There's not really upgrading all your aspects to max before you win
Not good
Just better
All it'll take is time
leaden whale
Alright, thank you
queen fiber
any tips for theseus? i can usually take out the minotaur w/o too many issues, but i take a ton of damage fighting him
old skiff
First phase just focus on getting behind the pillars for his spear throws and second phase wait until the god attacks are finished then go in to attack.
Make sure to not get theseus onto 2nd phase while fighting the Minotaur as it’ll make it too hard
queen fiber
ahh yeah i tend to focus completely on minotaur at first bc i dont want to fight both at the same time
old skiff
Yeah only focus on the Minotaur at the start. Then they also won’t do their attacks they perform together.
queen fiber
ive been using sword for the past few runs (im usually better w longer range weapons) so ive just been getting hit more in general when i go to attack
old skiff
With Sword make sure to use dash attacks often to keep distance.
queen fiber
ahh okay
old skiff
You could also use Athena’s dash with that so projectiles won’t hit you.
Athena can deflect Thesus’ spears aswell.
hot yoke
?
static anvil
I hav a clone
hot yoke
old skiff
It’s bouldy
static anvil
old skiff
golden relic
freakin did it ||https://i.imgur.com/olqyxiw.jpeg ||
fervent socket
how do you reliably beat megaera clean
raw oak
okay
golden relic
gosh im so happy that i finally got my first kill~
raw oak
do you have plume (the keepsake from hermes) yet?
fervent socket
no plume
raw oak
gift hermes nectar next time you see him and try to clear chambers fast when you get plume
Getting a ton of dodge chance can really help you if you tend to just rush in and take damage.
old skiff
i tend to take a ton of damage
Use Athena stuff it comes in very useful for deflecting her attacks. Her attacks also have a big time to wind up and her projectiles are the only fast ones by if you can just deflect it with Athena you should be fine. Also whenever you dash through an attack you don’t take damage. Keep that in mind for The Furies fight.
old skiff
But also keep in mind that in the first area the plume won’t be too good. It’s not something to rely on fully in the first area.
raw oak
And when you dash into the weird energy balls the furies throw with Athena dash, they'll deflect back.
Those do a ton of damage.
Also, how far along in the mirror of night are you?
old skiff
Focus on getting death defiance’s first.
I’d say you won’t be able to consistently beat Meg if you don’t have at least one death defiance and thick skin at the start of the game
upbeat swallow
should i keep retrying to escape on ||heat 0|| until i get all 4 rewards from the ||bounty||?
lofty verge
i'd do that yeah
upbeat swallow
cause if i went to ||heat 1|| for example i could get 2 or even 3 rewards early on..
upbeat swallow
i usually struggle on ||hades||, otherwise i can 3/4 the rest
i did 1 with a couple of weapons already, it was much harder
i always feel that my build might work against trash enemies but then its ZDPS against the boss ;d
lofty verge
do you have 3 of the 4 already
upbeat swallow
3/4 on 0 and 0/4 on 1 cause i didnt try it yet..
i just know i can
cause boss 1 and 2 are super easy impossible to fail on
hardy sierra
hey folks a quick question, in the descriptions: Is Attack and Dash-Attack treated the same regarding damage buffs?
old skiff
Yes
supple linden
@upbeat swallow You are inable to get rewards past your current tier. Even if you were able to do ||heat 63|| you'd still only get the bounties from ||heat 0||
hardy sierra
what about charon well?
old skiff
Yes
ornate remnant
yup
hardy sierra
okay great thanks guys
old skiff
Yw.
upbeat swallow
@supple linden i dont think thats right. at least thats not what the game UI is telling me
hardy sierra
its about "cyclops jerky"
upbeat swallow
i have completed 3/4 on ||heat 0|| and when i raise it to ||heat 1|| it shows me its 0/4 and i can complete it..
ornate remnant
ah
hardy sierra
passive damage boost on Attack
ornate remnant
|| heat 0 and heat 1+ are tracked separately || @upbeat swallow @supple linden
supple linden
||hm. maybe it works different from 0 to 1 but i've been trying heat 16 runs and im still only getting my heat 4 rewards|| I know Swan just confirmed it but i was already typing this
hardy sierra
I'm well into the run here and need to be sure
fervent socket
hmmm
upbeat swallow
you do ||heat 0 and 1|| asap because it means you can get 3/4 and 3/4 on each of them
supple linden
I mean...
upbeat swallow
and then you work on ||heat 0|| and then ||heat 1|| until you can progress...
supple linden
ideally you'd be getting all the rewards
upbeat swallow
6/8 is better than 3/8
ornate remnant
it's a reasonably strategy to maximize early rewards
upbeat swallow
big brain pro gamer moves
supple linden
either way that's a trick that only works 6 times
tropic bear
Death Defiance vs Stubborn Defiance? What’s the better one?
supple linden
i suppose 6 is a significant number
ornate remnant
better in different situations
ornate remnant
If you struggle against bosses, Death Defiance. If you struggle in general rooms, Stubborn Defiance
tropic bear
Thanks 👍
supple linden
Stubborn Defiance is like the cthonic regeneration
it's pretty good for new players, not as good later on
old skiff
Wrong.
ornate remnant
SD also works well in late-game
old skiff
Stubborn Defiance works amazing for high heat.
supple linden
I suppose if you are a risk taker Stubborn Defiance is good for triggering the abilities that trigger upon using a DD
ornate remnant
they're player-dependent, not progression-dependent
lavish delta
chronic regeneration?
ornate remnant
a Mirror Talent
supple linden
cthonic regeneration is the +2 health upon leaving a room
old skiff
Stubborn Defiance is good for when rooms get too hard.
lavish delta
ohh that one
ornate remnant
SD gives free healing in Asphodel, if you're low on health
supple linden
why asphodel
lavish delta
lava ig
supple linden
I mean you could really do that with any trap
ornate remnant
if you're patient, same works for traps in Elysium
true, but most traps are disabled after you clear a room
sand pond
hey guys so is the chances of achilles talking to me for guan yu really low???
i already wasted the 5 titan blood
old skiff
Nope just do a run and he’ll talk to you
old skiff
Do a run and die then he will
sand pond
i did
old skiff
Did you use the Titan blood on the spear?
old skiff
You should get it soon unless you have a big plot going on.
If so once that story is over you’ll get it
ornate remnant
@sand pond you need to || unlock a total of 5 aspects ||
sand pond
@sand pond you need to || unlock a total of 5 aspects ||
@ornate remnant i do
lavish delta
then you just need to get through his dialogue
sand pond
merry otter
Stubborn Defiance is like the cthonic regeneration
it's pretty good for new players, not as good later on
harsh leaf
Darkness heal is great if you're repeating bounties
royal lily
Hey, I've looked online and it said to unlock the final aspect for the sword I have to spend 5 titan blood on it, I've done that. After it that it siad It'll randomly come up in conversation with Nyx. Is that true?
pulsar frigate
check the pins in #h1-story-discussion
fervent socket
hmm
stygiannsoul seems better
wait
boiling blood lets me tag enemies
with stygian soul
does this mean i can tag as many enemies as i want
safe niche
both of them let u tag enemies o.o
harsh leaf
Yup
safe niche
i dont think theres a difference
harsh leaf
Bloodstones still fall out of enemies with Stygian Soul
supple linden
Bloodstones fall out of enemies with STygian soul
but you can tag an enemy MUCH more then you can with normal
I once slapped like eight bloodstones on Asterius
lofty verge
does each bloodstone make boiling blood do more
merry otter
Would be insane if you could deal +150% damage with Infernal Soul
Plus Stygian Soul and Chaos boons would make it busted
lofty verge
just wondering lol
harsh leaf
They have full health/armor
fervent socket
so AND armor
harsh leaf
Pretty sure, yeah
harsh leaf
Nah, otherwise it'd be busted to mow down armor enemies
harsh leaf
Yeah and it's one of the best hammers for it
gray haven
It's the best hammer upgrade on Malphon.
edgy tartan
Y'all I beat the Hydra!!
safe niche
congrats lol
edgy tartan
Flurry Shot and the lightning attack upgrades for Coroknacht did crazy work
I don't think I used my special even once
Plus I had the dash deflect from athena
It was spectacular
harsh leaf
How far did you make it into Elysium?
heady comet
whats the best aspect to max out for early ||heat||?
supple linden
now that you beat Hydra. it's time to beat Hydro
safe niche
timed deadline
edgy tartan
Me? ohoho, this is my first time ever getting to elysium
supple linden
aspect not pact
safe niche
oops
supple linden
but thats up to you
safe niche
i mean that depends on playstyle right
supple linden
just max whatever you like
leaden whale
I got a question about Megaera
supple linden
unless you are planning doing ||30+ heat runs|| you really can't pick a bad weapon
what is your question about megaera
that's a spoiler
please tag it
safe niche
lol
leaden whale
How do you tag again?
supple linden
|| on both sides
leaden whale
Ah, thank you
supple linden
two
supple linden
another safe bet is just to call them [REDACTED]
leaden whale
And, since then, i haven't been able to speak to Megaera at all
supple linden
Just random
leaden whale
Is this like an event mid game?
Ah
Cause I really want to get her ||assist||
I hear it's really good
supple linden
the character that will completely vanish from the house until you do a story event is ||Dusa .....||
leaden whale
Ah, alright
supple linden
other characters have a tendency to appear less frequently
edgy tartan
Do Daedalus Hammers replace each other?
supple linden
Meg is one of those who doesn't show up as often
edgy tartan
Oh bro that's fantastic
supple linden
They stack but you will disqualify yourself from certain hammers by picking one of hte upgrades
leaden whale
Meg is one of those who doesn't show up as often
@supple linden a shame imo, love her character
harsh leaf
Oh bro that's fantastic
@edgy tartan Just dont take the anvil... though, that may be a ways off still
edgy tartan
I got Flurry Shot and now have it paired with Sniper Shot
supple linden
like. You can't pick up, for example
hazard bomb and triple bomb
edgy tartan
I actually am hyped like nothing else. This feels like an amazing build I have here, just with a little advice from y'all on what boons to take
supple linden
Oh but Jovial here is a tip that I wish I knew when I was at your position in the game.
If you are in Tartarus and are trying to decide between a hammer and something else you want. go for the something else
safe niche
whats ur build?
pulsar frigate
post a screenshot
supple linden
You can only get two hammers
Tartarus/Asphodel and one in Elysium
So you can safely avoid a hammer in Tartarus without worrying about losing out on much
safe niche
ooo i didnt know thanks for the tip
supple linden
the if you are in Tartarus was more of a hypothetical
leaden whale
I'll take that tip too, thank yew
supple linden
I would always pass stuff up to jump at hammers because I thought they were just rare.
leaden whale
That's exactly what I been doing
fervent socket
I'm discovering to my disappointment
cinder pulsar
It should be noted that it's entirely posible to get three hammer effects in the same run, but it does come with the caveat of ||having to buy an item in Styx that randomly removes on of the ones you have and then adds two random ones||
fervent socket
that you cannot stack doom
supple linden
now i usually only grab the hammer if the other option isn't worth it, then I make sure to grab the Asphodel hammer.
I usually just get the Elysium hammer as soon as i see it
fervent socket
I'm using fists
supple linden
well...
fervent socket
and thought it could stack doom stuff
supple linden
you can stack doom if you get a boon for it
cinder pulsar
Otherwise though, only two hammers per run unless you actively attempt to avoid them
leaden whale
Wait
If you actively avoid both hammers, would it be possible to ||purchase the anvil anyway and get two perks||
cinder pulsar
Actually, idea
supple linden
I'm pretty sure I did that myself anyway but only because I hadn't picked up any due to bad luck
i think I might have been trying to fish for Asterius solo
sullen river
i require a thor hammer upgrade pls
cinder pulsar
||What if, if you managed to go an entire run without picking a hammer, the anvil lets you pick two instead||
sullen river
i will pay good money
supple linden
buy the anvil if you aren't happy with your hammer upgrades
sullen river
...is taht real or
leaden whale
Yes
safe niche
||What if, if you managed to go an entire run without picking a hammer, the anvil lets you pick two instead||
that would be quite strong lol
leaden whale
Or if you just don't have any
that would be quite strong lol
@safe niche too strong lmao
safe niche
buy the anvil if you aren't happy with your hammer upgrades
so if im happy with one of them i shouldnt buy it
leaden whale
It would have to cost at least double to be balanced
sullen river
theres anvils in game .. ? ?
safe niche
yea in the final stage
sullen river
im not safe from spoilers, i fvcking give up
edgy tartan
Welp
sullen river
leaden whale
i think I might have been trying to fish for Asterius solo
@supple linden wdym
edgy tartan
Got ganked by ||Asterios||
candid nimbus
supple linden
Fish as in like. not the literal sense
edgy tartan
Still, that was pretty excellent. I'm proud I made it that far going in blind
candid nimbus
huntin
supple linden
I was trying to get a certain something from Asterius who can only give it as a miniboss
leaden whale
Aaah
sullen river
i w onder how fast thesius could snap my spine in half
leaden whale
I don't think I've ever seen a boss transition from so fun to so frustrating in just one simple change
The addition of ||Theseus|| is just like fak u
warm gull
Hi peeps, hoppe you're all doing well. I have a question about Hades' speeches at the beginning of runs : If you lose early in said run, do you miss on dialogue and lore?
harsh leaf
The speech+text is just a random thing that happens at the start of the run. It has no bearing on anything else
supple linden
If you mean like when you start a run he says a little sentence with a word popping up
fervent socket
rip ded to bone hydra
supple linden
that's just a random flashback
but, if you take note of every word that pops up and witness every flashback
warm gull
Oh ok, thank you very much that's reassuring :D
supple linden
you can assemble a sentence that probably makes somewhat sense if you leave a few words out
static anvil
My fave so far is the ||Blood and Darkness|| one
It's just so... why would you teach Zag that?
safe niche
My fave so far is the ||Blood and Darkness|| one
is that the flashback ||with meg||
not sure thats even a spoiler
supple linden
eh my personal rule with that is like
static anvil
Nuo nuo it's one of the flashbacks that you get at the beginning of a run
I just spoilered it just cuz
supple linden
beyond channel based rules. I spoiler tag dialogue I find interesting and story elements
safe niche
yea true i agree with that
realistically though there isnt ||many people zag can date in the underworld||
static anvil
Everyone else is oldy
safe niche
yea
static anvil
Or is/was married
supple linden
Zag can date a lot of people
so many shades who'd kill for a chance to marry the prince of the underworld
static anvil
I remember a discussion on reddit on whether Zag ||dating Than|| was ||the i-word|| (dunno if that words okay here
Everyone agreed that it's Greek Mythology either way
safe niche
thats true
there arent many gods and all the gods are related so its gonna happen anyway
not like it matters cos gods wont get birth defects
supple linden
To be fair
static anvil
And with Zeus around it was gonna happen even if there were a million gods
supple linden
Supergiant mythology removed a lot of the brother sister relationships in mythology
static anvil
Ooo Supergiant being all wholesome I see 👀
supple linden
man that reminds me, one thing i find funny
pulsar frigate
the icky stuff was all removed lol
supple linden
This discord server is ran more PG then the game itself is.
i aint complaining i just find it funny
narrow kite
If i have the boon that damages bosses on skills that use knock back, and i pick a boon that "hits twice but no longer knocks foes away" for the slot that uses knock back, does it disable the boss damage boon if I pick it?
Thank you in advance.
supple linden
that does not apply to boon knockback
no longer knocks back only applies to the weapon's base knockback
static anvil
Ooo noice
pulsar frigate
the knockback effect that hammer talks about is specifically sword's inherent knockback
poseidon's boons add their own knockback to an ability
narrow kite
Oh thats cool to know, thank you :)
Almost 40 runs in and I still havent beaten the final encounter. Still figuring things out.
supple linden
hey please spoiler tag that
static anvil
Eyyyy take your time
supple linden
That's a spoiler in this channel
static anvil
The only person rushing you is Hermes
narrow kite
Something I said is a spoiler??
supple linden
||hades|| is a spoiler
narrow kite
Oh, what tag makes it spoiler'd?
narrow kite
Gotcha thank you
supple linden
No problem.
calm vessel
Can you get defiance boon from chaos while using stubborn defiance
sterile solar
yes
heady comet
can someone describe the basic playstyles of the 4th aspects of each weapons plz? i dunno which one to max out first
harsh leaf
You can unlock them and check em out
Once you're at the point of unlocking them, you'll have quite a bit of TB to throw around
Certainly more than enough to just unlock all weapons
heady comet
is the best way to get TB fast rn is complete prophecies?
or gradually increase ||heat|| and clear on each weapon?
pulsar frigate
the best way to get tb fast is clearing
heady comet
then @harsh leaf whyd you say id have a lot of TB to throw around; if i clear enough to unlock all weapons i'd just have the amount required not any extra?
harsh leaf
You can trade a little ambrosia, buy some TB from the shop, catch some fish
The 4th aspects rely on some really heavy RNG to unlock them, though
So you're gonna be doing a lot of runs
I'm at over 70 and still missing one
And I have like 25 blood I havent spent yet, all weapons unlocked, a few maxed level
heady comet
ok thx
charred flower
hey yall
just curious -- has supergiant commented on whether or not they plan to release DLC for the game at some point?
hot yoke
No
charred flower
Not particularly trying to find out if there are any time frames for anything, just more so asking if they have mentioned the idea of doing DLC
fervent socket
i know greek mythology
fervent socket
I've not even reached styx
charred flower
ah okay. they put out such a beautiful game, they nailed it. if they want to just move on to whatever the next game concept will be, then im all in. idc what choices that they make for future game development, im buying anything they put out, period. they are gonna be one of the GOATs
hot yoke
Idk I've been past that for so long lol
It's no problem writing about this here
Just spoiler tag it
|| on both sides
sterile solar
Youre supposed to get that dialogue before you beaa the game
sterile solar
Bad boulder
hot yoke
And was like "oh oh"
sterile solar
fervent socket
like if you know greek myth
charred flower
i'd just say put spoiler tags on any story/progression-related details of the game in this room.
hot yoke
Don't blame me that was like 130 hours ago for me
sterile solar
like if you know greek myth
Some people dont
hot yoke
Yeah you should at least tag that
charred flower
it just takes hitting || two times. no effort at all really. but that's just my two cents.
hot yoke
Cause that's definitely spoilers
charred flower
❤️
fervent socket
where is my spoiler tag here
safe niche
i think its still there if ur using the right keyboard layout
hot yoke
|| on both sides
sterile solar
||im on Android too||
fervent socket
Yeah that thing
charred flower
you go to... one sec
sterile solar
The symbols
charred flower
ugh my phone is dead
hot yoke
What a life
charred flower
go to symbols and then go to the second page of symbols
sterile solar
I'm also on Android, is right there
sterile solar
Second
safe niche
thats quite troublesome lol
for me at least i just hold down my r key and i get that symbol
sterile solar
Well then go to #h1-story-discussion
charred flower
im about to dive deep into all of supergiant's other games... gonna start from bastion and work my way up. still haven't escaped the Underworld a single time tho hahaha
almost at 60 runs
hot yoke
Every game a Banger
charred flower
im a n00b.
safe niche
use godhood lol
charred flower
i dont doubt it. very excited to do this. i've only played hades
sterile solar
I love transistor and pyre stories, but God i hate their gameplay
charred flower
i remember not caring for bastion's gameplay or something about how the game felt
hot yoke
Nokia?
charred flower
but im gonna give it another shot
sterile solar
Wdym what version
charred flower
dont remember
hot yoke
It was supposed to be a joke
charred flower
it was 3 years ago
hot yoke
Cause transistors gameplay is sick
sterile solar
Bad joke, go to sleep
hot yoke
Not perfe t but hella fun
charred flower
sigh
charred flower
...
charred flower
._.
sterile solar
For being too thicc
hot yoke
sterile solar
Bouldy hella thicc ngl
charred flower
can't wait for silksong
charred flower
hollow knight folks
sterile solar
The team with a cherry
pastel cipher
3*
hot yoke
Hollow knight is one of the worst games honestly
pastel cipher
also #video-games please
hot yoke
charred flower
now they have a third